A fwiw story about the M1 Garand. I once worked with a guy that told me that his uncle had gotten a job as a boy as a janitor in the Springfield Armory. One day John Garand called him over and asked him to go to the range with him, because "I want to see how much it takes someone who has never seen the rifle to learn how to use it." When WWII started his uncle was drafted into the Army. In boot camp, the Drill Sargent took them to the range and demanded, "How many of you sorry (explicatives) have ever seen an M1 Rifle." Before he thought the uncle replied, "I have, SIR!" To which the Drill Sargent got in his face and demanded, "And just where did you ever see an M1 Rifle." The uncle replied "Springfield Armory, SIR! Mr. Garand showed it to me, SIR!" He said that was the only time he ever saw a Drill Sargent just turn around and walk away.
I occasionally have a seventh round misfeed on a November of '41 Springfield. But I think my rifle is short cycling. I'm going to get the piston and gas cylinder checked. Real nice program!
That was a great video. I knew about the seventh round malfunction. I never knew what caused it or what was done to correct it. Thanks for posting this. I'll check out the GCA as I got my first M1 rifle about three weeks ago and am firmly hooked.
My M1 Garand experienced 7th round stoppages, two of them, at a shooting session last weekend. This is a CMP service grade that I bought it 2017. It is a Springfield Armory rifle from the 1950s. I have maintained the rifle, but I haven't changed out the recoil spring. I've shot maybe 500 rounds through it since I bought it. I will change out the recoil spring and report back.
Fascinating... and awesome to see someone walk through the procedures of checking a rifle out. My CMP Winchester had a bad op rod and mis-indexed barrel, and the customer service was exceptional. Totally made it right. And it is, again, very cool to see a people with that kind of knowledge.
@@jonathanl2748 ah man, don't worry about those 1911s. They're probably no good, besides, if you enter for one, that'll be one more person I gotta compete against😆
With feed systems, small things are important. I have had quite a few firearms brought to me that had feed problems. In nearly all cases it was because of changes made from factory dimensions and settings. It can be a time consuming (and therefore for the client expensive) job to put things back as they should be. I'd say the vast majority of issues of this nature, and also 'dicey' triggers have been caused by unskilled tinkering. It's a rare thing for the factory to get it wrong......so... "if it aint broke, don't fix it!... lol
Last Winter, I decided to do a detail clean and lube on my 1953 H&R M1, and discovered a cracked bullet guide, the crack resulted in displaced surfaces as if under stress, I replaced it, naturally, but can anyone enlighten me on the probable cause of such an event considering the guide is a stationary component? I experienced no issues at all while shooting the rifle in High Power competition. This was not the first time I disassembled the rifle since I purchased it in 1994, but I had it 'bedded' in the early 2000's and resisted field-stripping altogether until last Winter.
Interesting how after all the years this story has been told, no one was ever found to be at fault. Somewhere the was a engineer who said, fuck it Jimmy, just start using this reamer my brother in law makes and go back to work.
I once owned an M1 in the mid 3k range, and it had the weldment on the two front clip guides. Clint McKee told me that was due to the barrel thread reamer going too deep into the receiver, which cut off the slight portion of the two front clip guides. The remedy was to build them back up with weldment. Don't ask, I sold it long ago.
If cartridges are feeding from the left side during the firing cycle, why doesn't the variable occur on any left-side feed instead of just the 7th round? Is there a spring pressure difference at that point during feeding that might allow the 7th round more "slop" or more time to move sideways?
Good series except they all mispronounce Garands name. The emphasis should be on the first syllable. It’s correctly pronounced like the word “errand”. Watch the Forgotten Weapons episode that presents a letter from John Garand himself that explains how to pronounce his own name. Hard to argue with that.
I can see it when talking about John but was always pronounced the other way by the government and millions of soldiers and Marines . My dad was a Korean War Vet and I will always pronounce it the way he did .
A fwiw story about the M1 Garand. I once worked with a guy that told me that his uncle had gotten a job as a boy as a janitor in the Springfield Armory. One day John Garand called him over and asked him to go to the range with him, because "I want to see how much it takes someone who has never seen the rifle to learn how to use it." When WWII started his uncle was drafted into the Army. In boot camp, the Drill Sargent took them to the range and demanded, "How many of you sorry (explicatives) have ever seen an M1 Rifle." Before he thought the uncle replied, "I have, SIR!" To which the Drill Sargent got in his face and demanded, "And just where did you ever see an M1 Rifle." The uncle replied "Springfield Armory, SIR! Mr. Garand showed it to me, SIR!" He said that was the only time he ever saw a Drill Sargent just turn around and walk away.
Wonderful!!
That's awesome!
And I got ocean front property in Arizona
every time i learn something new about this fantastic piece of American history ,i love it more.
I occasionally have a seventh round misfeed on a November of '41 Springfield. But I think my rifle is short cycling. I'm going to get the piston and gas cylinder checked. Real nice program!
Nice sculpture of Mr. Garand.
Excellent explanation of 7th round stoppage.
I love my July 1941 built pre war Garand, more than any other rifle I have ever owned.
Amazing history on an amazing problem in an amazing rifle from a time when an amazing organization stood behind their amazing engineers. Well done.
I have a Nov.'41 model that does this on occasion .Great video !!
AN easy fix.... :-)
@@KathrynLiz1 I'm going to try a few new parts .I never guaged the Piston or gas cylinder ,and it doesn't have that rib cut ,so that's a plus..
That was a great video. I knew about the seventh round malfunction. I never knew what caused it or what was done to correct it. Thanks for posting this. I'll check out the GCA as I got my first M1 rifle about three weeks ago and am firmly hooked.
My M1 Garand experienced 7th round stoppages, two of them, at a shooting session last weekend. This is a CMP service grade that I bought it 2017. It is a Springfield Armory rifle from the 1950s. I have maintained the rifle, but I haven't changed out the recoil spring. I've shot maybe 500 rounds through it since I bought it. I will change out the recoil spring and report back.
This makes me feel so much better about my CMP garand! Oh yea, also about my cmp 1903 Springfield !
Fascinating... and awesome to see someone walk through the procedures of checking a rifle out. My CMP Winchester had a bad op rod and mis-indexed barrel, and the customer service was exceptional. Totally made it right. And it is, again, very cool to see a people with that kind of knowledge.
You lucky dog! The WRA is the only Garand I can’t get my hands on. Love the CMP!
@@jonathanl2748 I stepped into the store, and the devil LITERALLY unsheathed my credit card from my wallet. Craziest thing I ever saw.
@@jvleasure You gotta make a trip to the CMP worth it! Maybe I’ll get lucky with Round 2 1911 lottery and score a nice service grade from WWII. 👍🏼
@@jonathanl2748 ah man, don't worry about those 1911s. They're probably no good, besides, if you enter for one, that'll be one more person I gotta compete against😆
@@jvleasure May we both get great specimens!
Floyd is my hero. What a remarkable find.
Floyd is one cool guy.
Great informative video. Love to hear about the history. I Will forever keep a M1 in my collection...
Thank you for this information
Great video, love the CMP and GCA keep them coming!!
Outstanding video! Incredible information! What l am wondering is why WOULD ANYONE down-vote this?
I love to hear about what you did with that modified rifle
Really interesting, sir!
Very well done! Always wondered why mine had that little spot weld done there
Damn interesting! Great video!
With feed systems, small things are important. I have had quite a few firearms brought to me that had feed problems. In nearly all cases it was because of changes made from factory dimensions and settings. It can be a time consuming (and therefore for the client expensive) job to put things back as they should be. I'd say the vast majority of issues of this nature, and also 'dicey' triggers have been caused by unskilled tinkering.
It's a rare thing for the factory to get it wrong......so... "if it aint broke, don't fix it!... lol
Last Winter, I decided to do a detail clean and lube on my 1953 H&R M1, and discovered a cracked bullet guide, the crack resulted in displaced surfaces as if under stress, I replaced it, naturally, but can anyone enlighten me on the probable cause of such an event considering the guide is a stationary component? I experienced no issues at all while shooting the rifle in High Power competition. This was not the first time I disassembled the rifle since I purchased it in 1994, but I had it 'bedded' in the early 2000's and resisted field-stripping altogether until last Winter.
Awesome vid.
i have this problem on my june 1944 m1...it feeds fine if i load the clips with the top round on the left....edit, i do not have the nipped off part
Interesting how after all the years this story has been told, no one was ever found to be at fault. Somewhere the was a engineer who said, fuck it Jimmy, just start using this reamer my brother in law makes and go back to work.
Never heard of 7th round problems,
I own 2 , M1 just like potatoe chips, can have just one.😀
I own serial #21530 😁 It has the modification done.
Supremely awesome presentation. I wonder if the malfunctioning rifle was welded up?
did they fix your rifle that was malfunctioning? or is the guide rib still clipped?
What was done to fix the missing material in the rifle shown that had the problem?
Go to 14:50
I'm having an issue where the whole clip wants to eject when I still have 1 or 2 rounds in it. Where can I go to find a solution to this issue?
I once owned an M1 in the mid 3k range, and it had the weldment on the two front clip guides. Clint McKee told me that was due to the barrel thread reamer going too deep into the receiver, which cut off the slight portion of the two front clip guides. The remedy was to build them back up with weldment. Don't ask, I sold it long ago.
Bring home those rifles from South Korea!
They came back via Blue Sky imports. Weird comment. I have one of them.
If this rifle was fixed and test fired in 1940, why was it misfunctioning now?
If cartridges are feeding from the left side during the firing cycle, why doesn't the variable occur on any left-side feed instead of just the 7th round? Is there a spring pressure difference at that point during feeding that might allow the 7th round more "slop" or more time to move sideways?
Sir if i buying M1 Grand 8mm rifle first I will do it i am in Pakistan.
Enjoy sir.
Good series except they all mispronounce Garands name. The emphasis should be on the first syllable. It’s correctly pronounced like the word “errand”. Watch the Forgotten Weapons episode that presents a letter from John Garand himself that explains how to pronounce his own name. Hard to argue with that.
It was also invented by a Canadian so.....🤷♂️
Please pronounce "Garand" correctly at least when referencing the man, if not the gun also.
I can see it when talking about John but was always pronounced the other way by the government and millions of soldiers and Marines . My dad was a Korean War Vet and I will always pronounce it the way he did .