The question shouldn't be "Is (insert denomination) saved?" It should be "Are you saved?" We don't have time for childish denominational fuss. We are all one in Christ and, in that way, share the same tradition.
The idea is that there is *one Truth,* therefore *one way to live your faith* that is pleasing to God. Protestants are not "one" with Christ, because they aren't "one" period. Different concepts of what "faith" is; different views on what's considered "sinful"; different beliefs and interpretations regarding what they have to do to "be saved". So either one of them is correct on what God wants of its flock, or all of them are (which is more likely). That's what religion technically refer to: "How should you live your faith to please God". Only the Catholic Church dates back to the time of Christ, and only the Catholic Church has the credentials in doctrinal unity. *Without a visible Church authority, there is NO Church unity.* Period.
@@MystoRobot you've missed the point of church authority by a LONGSHOT. Christ is the church authority, not us. You speak as if Christ was thrown out of the very thing he created.
@@MDF4den ONE Catholic Church over a period of 2000 years (vs) 20,000+ different protestant churches incapable of unity due to their many different interpretations... over only 500 years starting with the first couple denominations. They all have one thing in common: No authority to declare what Truth is. The faithful are left alone with their Bibles... and are divided. Tell me... is that the unity Christ had in mind when he said _"I want all of them to be one with each other, just as I am one with you (the Father)"_ ? No. You are a fool if you believe this. Truly, without a visible Church authority, there is no unity. The proof is there... you just don't want to look at it.
@@MystoRobot no, you're absolutely right. Protestant churches are incredibly scattered when it comes to what you should believe. What I'm really saying is that it should be called just *"The Church."* Not Protestant, not Catholic, not even Orthodox. It should be how it was when it first started. The reason why we have denominations in the first place is because we just couldn't agree on something. Really, when you think about it, the church is not who declares the truth. Jesus declared the truth, and it is our responsibility to follow it. Yet, basically, as you said, churches over time have twisted the truth. However, Catholicism is in the same shoes as Protestantism, in that it came from a disagreement. That doesn't really make it any better or worse. The church isn't the authority. Jesus is. He created it and set a responsibility to teach about what he spoke. He wants us to be united, but we can't because we believe we are better than each other. That includes you. Your motive to say "Catholicism is better" is rooted in pride, my friend.
"John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out devils in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us. But Jesus said to him, "Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you." Jesus does not want those who are His to have arguments online. Salvation in Christ has always been a matter of one's heart, not where one is planted. If it is a matter of where one worships, the Samaritan woman at the well was right.
wow... this is the smartest comment I've seen ever. So many people pressure others to become Catholic, but I'm glad where I am, and getting people to Christ. I'm not interested in bringing down other Christians, yet we're so insistent on it. Which is of satan
I've fallen so many times and committed so many habitual sins and I'm telling you all from my heart that every time I've walked out of the confessional booth I've felt renewed and relieved in ways that I've never received anywhere else. Don't deprive yourself of this beautiful sacrament. Also, you'll be ready for the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist after you are absolved of your sin. Amazing gifts from God! Praise Jesus!
The uploader actually liked this comment as if it doesn't annihilate his catholicism. The only requirement for salvation is full trust in Jesus to save you, not supplemented by works or traditions of some church institution. The Catholic does not believe in salvation through faith in Christ, they believe in salvation through devotion to the pope's endless absurd traditions and rituals. Eating crackers, confessing to a priest, hail marys, literally BUYING your way into heaven through indulgences.
@@KevinGeneFeldmanI encourage you to diligently and intentionally find truthful Catholic answers about everything you just mentioned. You not only misrepresented the Catholic claim, but were very disrespectful to the Christian belief, especially degrading the body of Christ to a “cracker” that we take during mass. I can provide good answers and content to search for these answers, but please do not disrespect the Lord or the faith because you do not understand it.
@@thegreatcereal My friend, I hear this from catholics themselves. You don't like me reducing Christ to "a cracker" because when you say it without all the verbal fluff it sounds absurd, because it is. You irrefutably believe that a piece of bread is LITERALLY transformed into Jesus Christs LITERAL physical body, thousands of times a day in millions of pieces all over the world, and its got an illusory spell on it so you cant detect the transformation either by taste, sight or scientific measuring equipment and then you LITERALLY cannibalize Jesus then worship the remainder of the bread as its paraded around. I know what you believe and its detestable and heretical.
@@KevinGeneFeldman please bro please... enough of the wars online. I'm so tired of it, I'm not Catholic but it's embarassing to keep on harassing others, when we too have our own problems which we need to fix.
The Church does not teach these things; That's just Francis's opinion, *and his opinion is not considered magisterial* (is not considered an infallible Church Teaching - these thoughts will die with him without affecting our Catechism). There has been a few anti-popes in the past, and he quite possibly be one of them. If you thought the Church taught these things, you should really learn more about how the Church works before commenting.
@@david88497 They can be saved solely if they are in ignorance of the True Faith, & if they uphold the Natural Law to quasi perfetion, with the desire to be united to Christ in His Church. Otherwise, if they are aware of the Catholic Church's claims, refuse to investigate, and claim to be able to be saved through their own religions, they will NOT go in Heaven. Go check. The requirements are very precise, and those who meet them are extremely few in numbers. You're not saved by being a good Jew, a good muslim, or a good protestant according to each religion's standards.
@@MystoRobot “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841)
The Bible clearly says you have a doctrine of demons 1 Timothy 4:1-3 Eucharist is satanic according to Hebrews 13:8-16 Luke 20:36 says you are in idolatry
@josh39684 The early church fathers dealt with these very issues... "If one does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he should desert the chair of Peter, upon whom the church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the church?" -Cyprian of Carthage 259 ad
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ The problem with the 16th century men is they severed themselves from the body of Christ in the Eucharist and in the Church. The Catholic Church is the bride and Christ is the bridegroom and the two become one, “This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the church..” Eph5:21-33. . Also Christ is the head of the body, the Catholic Church Col1:18. Jesus can have only one bride and one body.
It is visible and not visible. The church is real, but there is a spiritual aspect that is unseen. Let’s be honest, the church is Christ instituted and run by men. The way the Church dealt with things such as the Inquisition and the Encomienda system was not following Christ at all. The spirit part of the individual has always been more important. Without that, the visible church will not walk in the light of Christ.
I agree John MacArthur is in some serious trouble if you have to really pray for him his hatred of the Catholic Church spews the devil’s hatred for the Catholic Church, and I feel sorry for him in someways, but he should know better being a scholar
The Catholic Church is outright condemned in the Bible. The principal scriptures are 1 Timothy 4:1-3 unmarried church leaders is a doctrine of demons Hebrews 13:8-16 calls the Eucharist “strange and diverse teachings” Luke 20:36!says you are in idolatry
@@robertd9743 you are so right about people like John MacArthur. His soul is in eternal danger. When a person attacks the Catholic faith like he does he cannot be saved. Pray for his conversion 🙏. He cannot claim invincible ignorance at all. Pride pride pride
Without being in full communion with Christ; one is not saved. Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6:53
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ Did Hebrews 13 actually mean what you said? How do you know that? Who taught you that? For us Catholics, we are taught by the teachers who were taught by their teachers, who were then taught by the Apostles themselves, who in turn was with Jesus when He was on earth. Can you say that same about your teachers with full conviction?
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ Please for the love of our Lord read it all, I see you are not bad intended but you believe false informations: Mt 26,26-29; Mk 14,22-25; Lk 22,15-20 all speak This is my body, only in John´s evangelium there is not spoken about it. So you cannot say this is figurative speech, Jesus talks in parables and in riddles in whole John 16 but not in whole John evangelium until now.... In 1 corinthians this is example (foreshadowing) of euacharist as well as blood of lamb on the doors when israelites had ran from the egypt. John 6:62-64 Yes flesh is weak, but not My flesh(Christ´ flesh) He makeds distinguishion with "flesh" and "my flesh" this argument is common among protestants, but I am not the one who does not see there is "My flesh" and then a "flesh" There is one former protestant Steve Ray speaking about this on youtube I suggest you watching it. Daniel 7 speaks about something different, for me it looks like book of revelations (especially: ,,time and half of time" used there, I may be wrong with this but so may be you) Who of us is stubborn and don´t want to see they are probably wrong ? I went through all the verses and chapters you had written, now it´s your turn to speak with a priest, pray and make your mind open to truth, what if you are wrong ? If I am wrong, then I am Christian, baptised in the name of the Father, Son and a Holy Spirit, I try to live sinless life (as Christ said: ,,Be holy as your Father is Holy") I believe only Christ can save me (not Mary, not pope, not my works) but I try to keep Christ´s commands in Matthew 25:35-40 If you are wrong (you do not have the true faith in Christ (as you think of us)) you are risking God´s salvation. Christ died for all humans, but not all will be saved. You will not be saved automatically by believing that God came to earth and died for us, but by truly believing and doing all he said. John 14:12 Matthew 7,21-28
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ Please for the love of our Lord read it all, I see you are not bad intended but you believe false informations: Mt 26,26-29; Mk 14,22-25; Lk 22,15-20 all speak This is my body, only in John´s evangelium there is not spoken about it. So you cannot say this is figurative speech, Jesus talks in parables and in riddles in whole John 16 but not in whole John evangelium until now.... In 1 corinthians this is example (foreshadowing) of euacharist as well as blood of lamb on the doors when israelites had ran from the egypt. John 6:62-64 Yes flesh is weak, but not My flesh(Christ´ flesh) He makeds distinguishion with "flesh" and "my flesh" this argument is common among protestants, but I am not the one who does not see there is "My flesh" and then a "flesh" There is one former protestant Steve Ray speaking about this on youtube I suggest you watching it. Daniel 7 speaks about something different, for me it looks like book of revelations (especially: ,,time and half of time" used there, I may be wrong with this but so may be you) Who of us is stubborn and don´t want to see they are probably wrong ? I went through all the verses and chapters you had written, now it´s your turn to speak with a priest, pray and make your mind open to truth, what if you are wrong ? If I am wrong, then I am Christian, baptised in the name of the Father, Son and a Holy Spirit, I try to live sinless life (as Christ said: ,,Be holy as your Father is Holy") I believe only Christ can save me (not Mary, not pope, not my works) but I try to keep Christ´s commands in Matthew 25:35-40 If you are wrong (you do not have the true faith in Christ (as you think of us)) you are risking God´s salvation. Christ died for all humans, but not all will be saved. You will not be saved automatically by believing that God came to earth and died for us, but by truly believing and doing all he said. John 14:12 Matthew 7,21-28
There is also Catechism paragraphs 836-838. And the fact that the Church counts most protestant baptisms as legit. Salvation comes only through the Church, but protestants are counted as being under that umbrella, even if imperfectly.
@@c0rndog748 and that would include working through his design and all he has set in place for us. As Jesus himself said to his followers (i.e., the earliest gathering of his Church), "All authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to me. Therefore GO . . .", as in, he delegated his authority. The Church has always been a central part of Jesus' plan. I would also direct you to 1 Timothy 3:15, which says that the CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of the truth.
(Some) of their baptism is legit.. but it doesn't take long before they fall in mortal sin after it. *The moment they fall,* they are outside of Christ, and will only be able to return to Him through confession... the sacrament they rejected along the priesthood.
@@donm-tv8cm and the Bible also says not to pray to dead people yet Catholics allow Mary and others to intercede for them when that’s Christs purpose. That would also be idolatry no? The Bible also makes no room for any one call one “Father” in spiritual nonbiological sense in Matthew 23:9 yet Catholics make normal of this and cope with “Jesus nor Matthew actually take that literally” which is to say Jesus spoke out of turn or spoke a lie which is blasphemy at its base. Church is important in scripture but the church in scripture is humble and has little structure outside of basic callings of pastors, deacons, elders. None of which call for massive churches, the Bible also doesn’t state a church to be filled with images or works of art of Jesus and others yet Catholics and orthodorks do this. The Bible going back to roles also doesn’t call for popes, cardinals or other things that place a hierarchy of people above others. Christ says we are brothers and sisters under Him and the Father. The Catholic Church was corrupt from its inception, insisting people had to pay to be saved and insisting upon paying for dead people to be saved posthumous and the thought alone that people thought they needed to make government out of Gods church is hilarious. Also why must you need an intermediary person to repent? Jesus gave you the Holy Spirit to have a one on one connection to God and Him through prayer, the curtain was torn my guy. Catholics are a step back in every direction, truly truly not one is saved, but I pray you see Gods true light and read the Bible for your own understanding and walk from that church and truly be saved before it’s too late
@@c0rndog748 you sound just like a Church of Christ believer -- just like me, historically. You haven't raised one issue here I haven't raised myself. But I'm not going to waste my time batting back and forth with you on it. The reason I'm Catholic today and not Church of Christ is because Catholic apologetics materials are actually excellent at answering every one of these concerns more than satisfactorily. I'm a living witness: your concerns are understandable but unfounded in view of the Catholic response. They have every one of these concerns more than covered, for anyone willing to look into them. I would encourage you to go look into that. And I will tell you this much: if devout, obedient Catholics aren't saved, there's no hope for ANY Protestant. Yep! I said it, and I mean it. And I mean it as someone who has thoroughly studied the issue, who understands Church history, etc. I speak as someone thinking of John 17:20 and onward. For over a thousand years the church was unified and monolithic and one just as Jesus prayed for. You had the Great Schism, and then over 400 more years until the Protestant Reformation came along. I'm not going to write a novel here. Suffice to say just look what happened in the wake of that. You no longer have "one Lord, one Faith, one baptism" among you, but many conflicting beliefs and many countless groups among you, many of whom think they're the only ones saved in the world. Unity? No. Protestants are nobody to be deciding who has a hope for heaven and who does not.
The clearest evidence against Rome's claims to authority is the fact that people outside of that church ARE saved, and are filled with the Holy Spirit and live a change life. The testimony of the Holy Spirit cannot be refuted. Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world" - so why should his church be a wordly organisation?
I'm not so sure. Br. Peter Dimond has studied this and many other such questions extensively, and answered them on his YT channel from Scripture, Papal Bulls and Encyclicals, and many other historically trusty sources . Objectively speaking, only a person who is baptized in water and lives the Catholic faith daily will go to Heaven; everyone else, because not in the Religion and Culture Jesus Christ founded, is on the road to Hell. Besides, denying Papacy is to deny Jesus. Says St. Peter and his successors' authority to define dogma and preach the Good News infallibly doesn't matter cause Jesus can make mistakes--nobody's proven the King of Kings did that. Maria Simma and other Purgatory mystics have shared plenty: God takes the person's circumstances and all into account. If a woman leads life of sin, yet repents on her deathbed and dies in perfect contrition, she will go to Heaven, and a priest who spends a lot of time criticizing others in his heart blocks himself from Heaven. That being said, eternally speaking, anyone who has heard Heaven is open only to the repentant sinner that is baptized in water and professes the entire Catholic faith? That would indeed be the case for that person.
@@Brom2855Actually, your whole premise is founded on faulty thinking. Jesus defines the church basically in Matthew 17:20. The word Catholic never graced his lips while he was on Earth. In addition, Protestants do follow the apostles….you know….the letters in the Bible. Finally, in Mark 9:38-41 he says anyone who does basically anything in my name will not lose his reward. The context is someone else was exercising demons in the name of Jesus, but was NOT with the group who would be apostles.
The argument for Catholicism starts from Jesus setting up a church, making Peter the ruler, and then going through church history seeing this organization expand. The problem with this narrative is significant. First, the churches in the book of Acts do not match the Catholic church. If it recorded a pope, priests, and cardinals all established and spelt out with formal ceremonies, then virtually every Protestant would be a Catholic. It's not there. Second, churches can be wrong and lose favor in God's sight, even to the point of losing their status as churches. Jesus gave this warning in Revelation 2:5 to repent or lose their candlestick (see Rev 1:20). So churches can lose favor in God's sight. How do they lose this privilege? By holding onto incorrect doctrine. And this is the mistake made in this video: conflating church history (Jesus started a church) with doctrine (the Roman Catholic Church's doctrine must be perfect because Jesus started the church). Even if one granted that the original church was RCC (which I do not), it does not mean the church still has its candlestick. The church at Ephesus had all valid claims to apostolic succession, believed in Jesus, was fervent in good works, yet it was still at risk of losing its status as a church.
I am a Catholic believer who doesn't believe in salvation for Catholics only. Don't deceive yourself with such statements, even if they come from one of the previous popes. Despite the many denominations, there is only one, holy, catholic (=universal) Church, and it consists of all people doing the will of God. As stated by our Lord in Matthew 7:21 (Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.) In Luke 18:20-22 Jesus gives his answer to the question:"What must I do to inherit eternal life?" ("You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’ (...) Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.") In both cases, there is no mention about any institution one has to be a member of.
catholic teaching is that there is no salvation outside the church which subsists in catholic church meaning anyone who isn't part of the catholic church except the invincibly ignorant are in danger. this is not the same as only catholics are saved because we affirm that even a non-chirstians can be saved in ways known only to God if they are invincibly ignorant. those who know that the catholic church is the true church and still refuse to join it or stay in it are in danger. as a catholic you must believe that there is no salvation outside the church that is the catholic church even if you don't understand it or else you are denying a dogma of the faith which is heresy if done with knowledge and deliberately.
@@CameronRiecker respectfully your wrong Jesus was sent to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins it doesn’t matter what church you go to as long as you profess Jesus to be your lord and savior and repent and turn away from sin you will be saved no matter what church or denomination you are
Turn away from sin is a lie the only perfect man is Jesus Christ stop pretending you can control sin because actually a curse goes to you when you try to perfect the law. Catholics don't read the bible otherwise they wouldn't believe so many baffling stuff. The only salvation is under the name Jesus not Mary not catholic bs @@Tcy5544
@@Tcy5544 ur not using scripture. Im not a catholic but u have to be part of the church of Christ not some man made church. Ephesians 4:4-5 "one faith one body one baptism". Not many different faiths, not different bodies, and not optional baptisms and infant baptism added. (I paraphrased the passage, its not the full verse).
2.5 years ago I was really lost and had rebelled against God. I was even denying God’s existence. My job is emotionally challenging and out of desperation I went to the church of my grandmother- the Episcopalians. Somewhere in receiving communion every week and a Priest who helped work thru the anger I fell at Christ’s feet on Maudy Thursday 2023. God met where I was at, regardless of Protestant, Anglican, or Catholic. God reached into the pit and saved me. I am thankful. Now the funny part is that I am in RCIA and will likely be Catholic by Christmas.
Dude, have you studied Vatican 2. Vatican 2 fixed a number of heresies including the belief that it is only RCs that are saved. kl The Scripture are clear: "for, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’" Romans 10:13 The "bride of Christ" is the church. The church is all of the people who are going to heaven because they call upon the name of the Lord".
Excellent video CR. There was a time when invincible ignorance could easily be applied to people. However in the computer age it’s nearly impossible. Being obstinate and not searching for the truth is not an excuse.
@@CameronRiecker Yes. I liked the way you laid out the three criteria necessary for invincible ignorance. I can’t figure out from what I’ve read when a person becomes responsible for their sins. I have been struggling with this for a couple of years since I noticed Catholic Christians explaining to protestants the errors in their comments and the same commenters pop up on another channel repeating the same false narrative. My thing is when does someone become culpable for their actions. Once a dogma or doctrine is explained they are no longer invincibly ignorant but become willfully ignorant and if they don’t pursue the truth they are obstinate and culpable so they fall into sin. Actually I don’t know if I’m on the right track or not. God bless.
Any person John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Any person whoever believes in him. Shall receive the Holy Spirit! Praise God !! Stay in the light..
@@tabandken8562 His Church is of all people who believe in Jesus and follow him. According to the Bible, salvation is about being delivered from a fallen state and restored. In Christian terms, it's about righting what's wrong. Some Bible verses that relate to salvation include: Romans 10:9-11: "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved". Acts 16:30-31: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved". 1 John 2:2: "Jesus' death on the cross was the perfect and complete payment for our sin". These are the believers in Jesus. 1 Peter 2:4-5 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Spiritual House means Temple or Church. Peter knew he was the first of many Petros.
@@tabandken8562 I truly believe what Jesus said and Peter said many times in John 6 The Eucharist has the presence of the Holy Spirit in it and it is to give Eternal life to people who don't have it yet. In large quantities. We perform this version of the Eucharist as needed. 10 to thousands of people being saved at the same time. The Rememberance version is only for true Christian Believers that have repented of sins prior. If you properly interpret the scriptures there is no problem. I stear clear of false doctrines and false Canons.
@@kennethprather9633 You don't have a valid Eucharist. You have a mere symbol. Your Eucharist does nothing. The Eucharist doesn't merely have the Holy Spirit, it is literally Jesus. Ours is, yours is not.
@@tabandken8562 Hebrews 13:8-16 says the Eucharist is “strange and diverse teaching” and that we have no right to eat our sacrifice… Psalms 22:12-13 shows that the Eucharist is satanic action against Christ
So if Peter is really the head of the church on earth, why wouldn’t the Gospel of Mark mention that or single out Peter in a more explicit way? After all, Mark’s Gospel account is based on Peter’s eyewitness testimony.
Guess who else boldly confesses that they are the only true church? Basically every cult that ever existed. Those same cults almost always feature a central human figure that is revered and considered infallible. Those similarities should concern you. "...WHOSOEVER believeth in him (Jesus) should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
That's completely untrue. The prophecies show three divisions of Israel, Ephraim, Judah and Israel. So there's Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant. In fact, wherever Christianity was persecuted, those being persecuted were the true faithful, whether Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox. Unless they mean "Catholic" in the sense of the Latin Word which means "Complete." Then it's true.
Good food for thought. Though I do wonder how many catholics are giving Protestantism a fair shot by hearing it from their point of view? Despite how protestants appear to have a newer belief there are a lot great Protestant minds that can strongly back their position just like Catholics. I hope to see the bridge between Protestants and Catholics continue to grow even if we remain convinced of our respective doctrines. May grace and peace be with you all in Christ Jesus.
I don't think I've ever seen so many comments per view (426 / 1.9K) on a YT video before. At first as I watched this video I was angry, but then I reconsidered and thought if you believe only Catholics can go to Heaven of course you are making this video so we can join the Catholic Church and be saved. So thank you for trying to help us get into Heaven. I don't know if I believe your premise that only Catholics can go to Heaven, but thank you for doing the kindest possible thing you can do within that framework. Paradoxically, this belief could make it harder for me to join the Catholic Church because I would need to believe that everyone I knew who was a Protestant was going to Hell. These are the times that I wish Christianity had just stayed in one happy Catholic Church so I wouldn't have to think about whether to be a Protestant or a Catholic.
@@CameronRiecker I did watch the whole video, but that's a fair question because I know some people will just look at the title and not bother to watch the video. If I strawmanned your position, I apologize. I realize I left out your whole discussion of invincible ignorance. That is a very reassuring teaching when I think about all the people in the Americas before Columbus who knew nothing about Jesus or the Catholic Church.
Th church teaches that Protestants may be saved on account of their Catholicity, meaning their impartial or imperfect unity to the church through their baptism. Unfortunately many radical trad Catholics, such as this gentleman refuse to admit this or misunderstand this topic.
Your priority is wrong, and your logic is human based, not God's perspective. It isn't a matter of salvation apart from any 'church,' but there is no salvation outside of Christ. Jesus is the Solid Rock the church is built upon, with Christ as the Chief Cornerstone - and Jesus does not sit atop of Peter.
I had a non-denominational guy tell me that basically I wasn't saved because Catholics were not Christians. I found it a little funny that his entire faith is based on a book the Catholic Church assembled, but we're not Christian. We're the original Christians.
@@jimmu2008 Hebrews 14:8-16 the Eucharist is condemned as strange and diverse 1 Timothy 4:1-4 it is a doctrine of demons Like 20:36 it is idolatry Jeremiah 44:18 Marianism is the worship of Tammuz whose appearance is different but is still the Queen of Heaven
and for this, the devil has been busy at work trying to divide the church. the rc church receiving attacks from all fronts- even Protestants who delude themselves. during the French revolution, it was priests and nuns who were beheaded (others died too).
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ you are reading scriptures and don't even understand - it is no wonder there are so many thousands of protestant churches. The context reveals that John is warning his readers against false teachers: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19). If there are false teachers, that implies there are true teachers that Christians ought to listen to. The Spirit, or “the anointing,” teaches Christians the truth, but through the living teaching authority and not apart from them. As the council fathers stated at the first council in Jerusalem, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things” (Acts 15:28, emphasis added). This is why John can teach in 1 John 4:6 that adherence to the Church is the condition for being united to God. same is true today- false teachers in some Protestants who don't believe in trinity, some don't believe jesus is God, some don't believe in real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist (just symbolism), denies in real water baptism (beyond symbolism), no real repentance accordance to scripture- the disciples and early church fathers would say these are heretical distortions. some of these are not new heresies - some wrote against them in epistles. furthemore, shame on you for inserting words not in scripture and distortion of the meaning. the bible warns against this.
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ shame on you for such distortion of scripture and adding your own words. the bible warns against this. The context reveals that John is warning his readers against false teachers: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19). If there are false teachers, that implies there are true teachers that Christians ought to listen to. The Spirit, or “the anointing,” teaches Christians the truth, but through the living teaching authority and not apart from them. As the council fathers stated at the first council in Jerusalem, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things” (Acts 15:28, emphasis added). This is why John can teach in 1 John 4:6 that adherence to the Church is the condition for being united to God. no Wonder we have thousands of protestant denominations, some don't believe in trinity, some think Eucharist is just symbolism, others think baptism is symbolism, some don't believe Jesus is God, salvation, etc. they all cannot be correct on every theology that is different and so there is certain to be false teachers amongst the lot.
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ @JC_Forum_of_Christ shame on you for such distortion of scripture and adding your own words. the bible warns against this. The context reveals that John is warning his readers against false teachers: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19). If there are false teachers, that implies there are true teachers that Christians ought to listen to. The Spirit, or “the anointing,” teaches Christians the truth, but through the living teaching authority and not apart from them. As the council fathers stated at the first council in Jerusalem, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things” (Acts 15:28, emphasis added). This is why John can teach in 1 John 4:6 that adherence to the Church is the condition for being united to God. no Wonder we have thousands of protestant denominations, some don't believe in trinity, some think Eucharist is just symbolism, others think baptism is symbolism, some don't believe Jesus is God, salvation, etc. they all cannot be correct on every theology that is different and so there is certain to be false teachers amongst the lot. it is only the catholic and orthodox that follow the teachings of apostles from the beginning in a line of succession.
Jesus has only one bride, not many. The Apostles didn't go out creating many institutions of 1 Church. How can you claim you believe and follow Jesus, yet disbelieve Him regarding His Church, the Eucharist, etc? How can you believe you follow Jesus, but reject His Church? He told His first bishops, "whoever listens to you, listens to me and whoever rejects you, rejects me" and "why do hou call me Lord and not do what I say?"
Let me see if I can answer. We do not reject Hs church, we reject the Catholic Church teachings that have fallen out of line with Scripture. We reject your definition of the Last Supper as it would paint Jesus as a breaker of the Law. Drinking blood is forbidden in Leviticus 17. Jesus kept every statute of the Law, he would not have caused anyone else to either. Plus, it’s weird how Catholics seem to read only the literal part of John 6:53 I think, but don’t read John 6:28-29 literally. Or that if they read that it is literal that he means them to eat his flesh, do you actually see Jesus as a loaf of bread? He told his apostles whoever listens to you, etc. I realize that they considered themselves elders and maybe y’all consider them bishops. But, they raised people from the grave, healed the blind,etc. Do your bishops do this? Seems like it was an order for a specific group of people, to say it went further to even that specific group seems presumptive. I hope this helps.
@@CountCulture27 You reject the Truth and cling to your faulty interpretations of the Bible and Church teachings. You reject Jesus because He started the Catholic Church and never started another. You reject the Holy Spirit because it's the Holy Spirit that preserves Truth in the Church Jesus started. And yes, we still have miracles in the Catholic Church.
@@tabandken8562I know the Holy Spirit. I noticed you had no rebuttal on the reason why I personally see the Last Supper as symbolic. Ow can it not be for Jesus would’ve broken the Law for it to be literal.
Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. 1 John 5:13 states that the letter of 1 John was written for the purpose of assuring believers of the certainty of their salvation. Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a willful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15). Good Works: The Roman Catholic Church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24).
Um, you may want to study the definitions for the Greek words for 'petros' which He used to refer to Peter, and 'petra', which he used in the very same sentence to refer to Himself. Jesus just made an analogy of Peter's proven faith, referring to him as a pebble, and Himself, the unbreakable rock. Matthew 16:16; also, I Cor. 10:4. After all, Jesus said, I am the Way . . . not Peter. John 14:6. I think a more useful question here is: why are some of you so intent on dividing His church? 🤔
Its not religion or denomination that saves people, ITS JESUS ALONE & FAITH IN HIM. I do go to orthodox church, but I'm not leaning on that, I lean on Jesus, because I've met more nonbelievers at church than I have outside the church.
In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.334 "Outside the Church there is no salvation" How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
The Catholicism is a doctrine of demons…. 1 Timothy 4:1-4 says so You are in idolatry according to Luke 20:36 and 1 Samuel 28:13-14 Eucharist is satanic Hebrews 13:8-16
It does to me as well. The young man is implying the Catholic Church is equal to salvation to Jesus. Your church membership nor mine will save us in the end. Only belief in Christ.
we see this in the united church of Canada- they have an atheist minister and all elements of what is supposed to be their 'faith' are optional. we see you his in JW and Mormonism - thanks so much Protestants for leading the section of the flock into a misguided direction. protestants not being consistent on abortion (only recently fighting this), same for divorce, and more recently on IVF. this is not me attacking Protestants, but is my lamentation of the state of things.
I am a cradle Catholic who fell away from the faith, but was reintroduced to the faith from the Protestant lens two years ago. Today as I have struggled with Protestant vs Catholic Christianity for well over a year and still doing research, I lean more towards Catholicism, but I still have some doubts and still see some Protestant arguments as “making sense”. Today I have found that the Catholic and Protestant understanding of salvation (justification) is pretty much the same, only Catholics include sanctification as an ongoing process of justification, therefore can’t come to say that we are already saved. while Protestants say that sanctification is a process that the already justified undergo and is evidence of their salvation. I still have many doubts and inquiries so I am continuing to do research. But I am a regular at mass every week, I’m in confession every week, and I am truly seeking the Lord on this matter. I would ask, Cameron, when you mentioned in this video that the only possible true churches are the Catholic and orthodox churches, how do Catholics reconcile that? Do the orthodox brothers and sisters fall under the same category of “extra ecclesia” or are the considered a part of the church just not in perfect communion? Because the only disputes of the schism between east and west are the papacy and the filioque, in sure there’s more minute theological disputes here and there, but in that sense, other than that, we practice the same faith, don’t we? So how do we view the orthodox? As being in the same church just split? Or are the extra ecclesia as well? I know the orthodox see us as simply fully off the ark of salvation, and anyone who’s not orthodox is simply not in the ark.
Even if you don’t consider me your brother because I’m not catholic, I think you are my brother because it seems you are a follower of Christ. I am saved and have peace in Christ. I am following Jesus. I am part of His church. In the New Testament, the term church (ekklesia) means assembly or group of people. It represents the group of people composed of Jesus’ followers. All the people under that category are part of the church. Such people could be catholic, orthodox and protestant. Catholics, orthodox and protestants come from the same foundation: Christ (1 Cor. 3:11). However, not everyone who calls themselves catholic, orthodox, or protestant will be saved. The condition of the heart is what is most important to God (Psalm 51:17). Salvation can only be obtained through Christ (Acts 4:12). In that regard, the universal church, composed of Jesus’ followers, would consist of people who receive the gift of salvation. It doesn’t seem correct to exclude other Christians like today’s protestants who preach in countries where they are regularly imprisoned and even martyred from the group of people who follow Jesus. Scripture does not support such exclusion. Those brothers and sisters who have been imprisoned or killed because of their love for Christ are part of the church, a very visible church. The nature of God’s true church is discussed, for example, in the parable of the seed that grows in Mark 4:26-29. This parable illustrates the nature of the Kingdom of God as a faith-centered process entailing initial individual actions, a developmental period, and a series of ordained outcomes. This is confirmed when considering this passage's meaning, significance, and application and its historical, cultural, and literary contexts. The Kingdom of God is Christ-centered and faith-centered and involves the actions of countless individuals working together with patience to experience the fulfillment of God’s eternal plan. Again, even if you don’t consider me your brother because I’m not catholic, I think you are my brother because it seems you are a follower of Christ. I am saved and have peace in Christ. I am following Jesus. I am part of His church. God bless you.
@@CameronRiecker I’m not sure what you mean. Protestants have the same New Testament as catholics. Also, if you are saying that catholics and protestants can be brothers and sisters then you are agreeing protestants have salvation since we become brothers and sisters when we are received as God’s children in our salvation through Christ (Romans 8:12-17).
Being saved (John 3:16) and practicing your faith (Philippians 2:12) are two different things. Your video is labeled about being saved, when it really discussed how one practices their faith. I believe that Jesus and His death is the one and only way to salvation from God's justified wrath. I think we both would agree that I am saved. Yet we disagree from that point onwards on how I practice my faith. You have one method and I have a different. So your video is inaccurate when it speaks to being saved. Rather it should speak to how a Christian should properly practice their faith. And on that point we could debate until Jesus returns and sets the record straight for all of us.
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ John 6:53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. In John 6:66 Many has left him, because for Israelites drinking blood and eating human flesh meant they would become unclean... Jesus did not say to them, wait this is a parable I will say how you have to understand it.... Instead He said: This is my body (Not only is this something to commemorate me)
@@TomasTomi30 no “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. Catholicism is different than Christianity But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. This is why Christians read the Bible and have all those scriptures which are the words of God. We are not perfect, but he leads and teaches us. Not body here on earth. Catholics can’t even imagine this. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him.” 1 John 2:19-20, 27 The Truth is found in Christ and not in your “Church” any “Church”
@CameronRiecker The church Jesus started existed before peter was even born. Furthermore 1john3:6 tells us that anyone who sins doesn't know God or understand Him. Because all of your alleged popes,bishops,priests are all sinners then it would be impossible for them to teach about God. The same thing applies to you. You are a sinner and God says that He doesn't know you. So why decieve people and pretend you know God when you don't.
@@fantasia55Thank you for your reply but I don't see a relevance with your comment. I am assuming that you think that the church Jesus started began on Pentecost long after Peter was born. I think you are refiring to Acts. But that is not the case. The Church Jesus established was in existence long before Peter was born. The Old Testament tells us all about it. Is Jesus the head of the Church? And I don't mean catholic church. The answer is yes, He is the head of the church. Jesus is God and God has always existed. So the church that Jesus established has always existed. Furthermore the bible tells us that Christ was with people in the Old Testament, Israelites. So Christ has been with us all since the very beginning of time. Paul even talks about the church in the Old Testament. So if you are trying to claim that Christs church was built on Peter then you don't know who Christ is. Remember Jesus Christ is God. He always existed. Christians are a part of Jesus' church which has always existed. I hope that helps.
@TheTruthsOfOurFaith Jesus established the Catholic Church at Pentecost, which occurred decades after Peter was born. He was probably in his thirties at the time.
I don't believe that any Protestants hate the Catholic Church. Maybe Pastor Billy Bob's IFB church does, but I do not. I see lots of beauty in the traditions of Catholicism, but it is accommodated by various accretions that are biblically unreconcilable. In my search, I have found that Protestantism espouses the most biblical version of Christianity. Additionally, the exclusivist ecclesiology and emphasis on works for salvation rules it out for conversion.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty No they are not. There's nothing in the Bible condemning Marian devotion or generation of Saints. As for Saint devotion, Paul said to honor those whose honor is due". As for merit... “Lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also” (Matt. 6:20-21). Matthew 6:3 But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your alms may be done in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. 18 so that your fasting may be seen not by others but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. Matthew 10:41 Whoever welcomes a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward; and whoever welcomes a righteous person in the name of a righteous person will receive the reward of the righteous; 42 and whoever gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones in the name of a disciple-truly I tell you, none of these will lose their reward.” And there's so many more.
His word is the church. You are going by your own interpretation. I never said that John McArthur is going to hell because I’m not the Lord Jesus Christ. What I said is he could be in trouble of going there if he trashes Jesus’s holy church. Nobody can say one is going to hell. Only The Lord knows what is in a man’s heart. I’m sorry if you missed understood my comment or if I offended you in any way. That is not my intention. Anyway, I hope you have a blessed day.
Cameron, your identity is in the RCC, not Christ. I experienced regeneration a few weeks after hearing the gospel, sitting in my room all alone, thinking about John 6:29. This was about 20 years after I was “baptized” as an infant in the RCC.
Your experience was of an emotional contemplation of scripture that made you want God more, NOT regeneration, no offense but your experience doesn’t change the actual Christian doctrine of regeneration in the Bible period no exceptions no apologies.
@@KadenGreen-eg1cz Scripture takes precedence over experience. 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men. It was not done in acts of righteousness, and was done according to His mercy, the washing and regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit. John 3:8 also applied as well, it was like the wind, we have no control over it. Me thinking about John 6:29, was not a righteous act, it was simply something I was doing right before God did what He did.
matt 18. if someone in the church sins against you, go to them in private and confront them. if they don't receive you, take some other believers with you, if they refuse still to admit it and repent, then tell it to the church. the subject is someone in the assembly of believers who sins against another. the church here is the whole assembly, not a hierarchy of men in any given church. the church is never referred to as an hierarchy in the new testament. the prime example would be in 1 cor. 5, tolerating gross sin in the church. paul tells them to wake up, and remove such a person. the church:> when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, and the power of the lord jesus christ....the whole assembly. the purpose is to clearly expose the sin to everyone, and the whole church, guided by the authority of paul in this case, as he was still a living apostle, removes the person, in hopes of the sinner finally repenting and being restored. 1 timothy 5:19-21 reproving a sinning elder. it's about sin, not church dogma.
Words on paper, on computers, parchments and stone. All of that can be changed, corrupted, misrepresented. People can lie, cheat, and manipulate. I can't tell you what is true or not. I can only have faith in Christ that has given me hope.
Here you go Cameron… success but your channel will point people to the true God not by your words by the grace God that happens when the Word of God is spoken
John 3:16-18 is completely against this line of thought. Christ died for all who believe in him. This also goes against the idea of those not against us are for us. You can see this by the fruits of Protestants. You yourself quote CS Lewis regularly, yet he was outside the church, and would’ve been well informed of it. How could ignorance apply to him? The way you’ve structured your argument has positioned you to condemn all Protestants, Orthodox Christians, and any other Christian sects.
Proof texting John3:16-18 doesn’t change anything. In this day and computer age a protestant cannot be invincibly ignorant because you are only a click away from the correct answer about the Catholic Church. I will pray that you search for the truth. Jesus is the head of the body the Church, the Catholic Church. Col1:18 And Jesus is the bride groom and the Catholic Church is the bride. The two are one, “This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the church..” Eph5:21-33.
@@Spiritof76CatholicIt is sad that you believe that. It’s also dangerous. By saying that Catholicism ,NOT all followers of Christ, is the bride, you basically give assent to the crimes of the Inquisition, the Encomienda System, selling indulgences, even the cover up of the abuse of minors. The word Catholic wasn’t used by Jesus, he only used Church. He identified this as all who gather in my name I will be among them. It’s not based on the physical church, though that is important, it is based on the true Gospel of Christ. Not changed by men, but proclaimed by God.
@@Spiritof76CatholicOne verse that says there is no salvation outside of the apostolic church. After that, I will show three that way there is…at least 3.
@@CountCulture27 It’s not a matter of verse slinging. Are you invincibly ignorant? I would say no even though you believe imperfectly that Jesus is the way to salvation. However you also bare responsibility for your willful ignorance because there is no assurance of salvation. Especially not outside the Church. Jesus, and his bride the infallible Catholic Church has always taught from Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium that all people can be saved. Will they be? That’s between you and God. All that Christ and the Catholic Church can do is give us the means to get to Heaven! Try reading this article it gives a pretty good answer to the question you are asking out of your insolence and mockery not discipleship: Is There Really “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church?” TIM STAPLES • 2/6/2015
What about Eastern Orthodox? Coptic? Latter Day Saint? Jehovah Witness? They all claim to be the ONE true church. Salvation is not by way of one church body. Poor argument.
Also I know it's sort of off topic, the latter day people add to the book which is wrong and made someone equal to Christ... In my opinion the door is open to any believer who is believes in Christ and what he said. So in theory I believe we would see people on the other side coming from all sorts of denominations , not to say that everyone is right, but rather as found in Luke 10:41-42 "And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her."
@@CameronRiecker so God will judge unbaptized babies?? Baptism is something you should choose to do, it’s a public confession of faith, babies can’t even comprehend what’s going on. You really think God would send infants to hell?
It's an abomination to put the catholic church above Jesus Christ who came from above to save those from below! There's nothing apostolic about the catholic religion: opostate, yes apostolic no! Every person is free and dependent on Christ, for salvation not the catholic church! Why don't you tell people about all the priests and nuns leaving the catholic religion and turning to Christ along with so many congragents after finding out the real truth about the catholic religion?
"The time of ignorance God winked at but he now commands everyone to repent." There is no invincible ignorance, as the catholics say, in the new covenant. Theres more scripture to support my position too if u want it.
@@CameronRiecker I'm not sure that we're meant to get through to them right away. It seems the way it goes is that we plant the seed, they inherently reject it but then the seed grows. then they go through phases of trying to deny its truth by attacking other things, but they have now a truth that won't go away. I wonder if it's the 12 stages of grief for them.
That is heresy to say that the only way to salvation is through the catholic church! The only way to salvation is by Grace only, through faith only, lest any one should boast! Ephesians 2:8-9 and the only one that saves is in acts4:12.
The one true church is made up of people who believe in Jesus Christ as their savior and are saved by faith alone, not by following the unbiblical works of the Catholic Church
@@paulcapaccio9905 it is. the teaching literally didn't change at all. a faith. it is like it was in the beginning. nothing is changed. here it is: "I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and its at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."
@tabandken8562 it cannot be as you said. For it if Christ who is head of the Church, and we who are part of the Body. What is an arm when it is separated from the body? Either the Catholic church is wrong when they say they are the only true church, or they are correct. Likewise, a protestant is either with God, or he is not. He is either with the Church, or he is not. You cannot say a protestant is with God, but is denied by God. Either the protestant is saved by the grace of God, or he is not.
@@luxordfaith8506 Protestants are with God by virtue of their valid baptism. However, Protestants don't get a break. You are still required to be obedient and avoid sin, and when you do sin, confess to God. You do not have the promise Jesus gives to the Apostles, first priests of the Church, that "whatever sins you forgive are forgiven", so you don't have assurance of forgiveness of mortal sins. You do not receive the Eucharist either. You are left without saving Graces in the Sacraments of the Eucharist and Confession. So Protestants can be with God if they remain in God's kindness. Most Protestants go to Purgatory before they go to heaven. Most Catholics for that matter because most Catholics don't avail themselves to the Sacraments as they should.
Prots can be saved, but they will have to accept the true faith. Not necesarily sealed at death, however. Actually if Catholics are correct, there will be more saved, than if we're not. No one in Hell yet (except Satan and the fallen Angels), as I understand it. But, no one, NO ONE comes to the Father but by Jesus. If Prots are right . . . Well, they're not.
I think in the end, we will find that Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants had some thing right and others wrong. Thank God that he gives us the grace of the simplicity of the Gospel.
@CountCulture27 yep. But Catholics (includes Orthodox) have all of essential Christian beliefs. If it turns out we had some extra stuff (it probably won't), oh well. What you do know won't hurt you
A lot of catholics seem to disagree with u. And also the real church of Christ does say salvation is only in His church and i havent heard one of the brethren say otherwise.
@@CameronRieckerexactly. And unfortunately for you, the Church teaches that there is a possibility for Protestants who follow Christ honestly and respond to Gods grace CAN be saved.
@@CameronRiecker well the church of Christ doesnt teach what u r saying. But the roman papist do. Im wondering why is it that the so called true church has so many members that dont say and teach the same thing, in fact they teach the opposite. U act like yall r so bold but most of yalls members are weak in intelligence, faith, knowledge, and unity. That was my main point. I guess a side point would be that if they are teaching something different then why are they? Are the leaders incompetent, the church divided, or did ur tradition change?
I'm glad you consulted "blessed pius ix" and not scripture. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Weak argument. ““The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.” Matthew 23:2-3
@@chadmeidl1140 No, I’m a Christian under the Law of Christ. “Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.” Galatians 6:2 “And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Matthew 22:37-39 John 15:9-10, "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love." 1 John 5:1-3, "Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."
Jesus says that because he died for our sins. Not the catholic sins, not the orthodox sins, not the prodistent sin, all of our sins. There for wouldnt it make sense all us christians are equally saved if we all have our sins saved
There are non-Catholic Christians who have solid faithful relationships with Christ who has the ability to save, heal, and transform their souls. They've experienced transformation in their lives already. There are Catholics who go through the motions of going to church who don't experience transformation. Joining and being a member of the Catholic Church doesn't magically heal or magically save a soul. You still need to have faith in Christ, be faithful to him, and remain under his discipleship so he can prepare the soul to receive his Spirit like he did with his disciples and apostles. He gave us an example in his Gospels how to be discipled, healed, and saved by him. Joining the Catholic Church is no guarantee this will happen to individuals who do not have faith in him and follow him. Christians outside the Catholic Church can become his faithful disciples. However, there is no magical Protestant profession of faith that guarantees nor excludes a Christian from becoming his faithful disciple. Some Protestants think you have to believe in faith or grace alone, and anyone who believes good works are required are not saved. Other Protestants think you must believe in Christ's lordship and follow his commandments, and if you don't believe this, then you aren't saved. Both think you have to get a profession of faith just right in your head or you're not saved. What matters is being faithful to him who has the ability to disciple, heal, save, and send his Holy Spirit. The faithful soul doesn't get transformed magically by a particular profession of faith and altar call and a baptism. The faithful soul doesn't get magically transformed by joining a particular Church either. Before there was a Church, non-Jewish people were healed and saved by their faithful encounters with Christ. There was the centurian whose faith saved his servant. There was the Syrophonecian woman whose faith saved her daughter. There was the Samaritan leper whose faith returned him to Jesus to thank him for his healing. There was the Samaritan woman at the well along with her whole village who came to believe in him. None of them needed to become Jewish first then be healed or saved. Healing and saving come from the same Greek root word sózó. The Church has a visible body and an invisible soul. There's the Church militant and the Church triumphant. Those faithful under the discipleship of Christ who transforms, heals, and saves souls are in his Church triumphant. Transforming, healing, and saving their souls is part of his triumph. If they are still faithfully with us on earth, they are visible testimonies to his triumph in them. They are a part of the visible Church if they are a part of him. If they have departed faithful to him, their souls have become a part of the invisible soul of the Church. The Roman Catholic Church is a large sheepfold with apostolic roots. It has sheep in it, but it also has goats in it. It has some wolves in sheep's clothing in it besides. The good shepherd calls. His sheep hear his voice and follow him to the one flock (Church Triumphant) in open pasture beside still waters. His straying sheep he catches with the hooked end of his shepherd's crook. He separates the sheep from the goats by their behavior. His sheep do well unto the least of his brethren as if they were doing unto him. The goats fail to do so. The wolves in sheep's clothing he clobbers over the head with the blunt end of his shepherd's crook and drives them away. The same goes with the Orthodox Churches which are other sheepfolds. The same goes with the Protestant churches which are other sheepfolds. All sheepfolds have his sheep, others' goats, and satan's wolves in sheep's clothing. He will sort it all out in the end. Being a member of any one Church is no guarantee of being a sheep. Being a member of another Church is no guarantee of being a goat. What matters is tuning the ear of the soul to the good shepherd's voice, following him, being discipled by him, getting healed by him which saves and prepares the soul to receive his Spirit.
Some people like to believe that their church is the one true (and infallible) church at the exclusion of others because it alleviates their anxiety about death. They can't live with uncertainty, so they fabricate a certainty. It's wishful thinking. They fear any error leads to death and damnation, so they believe their church doesn't err because they know they individually do err. They find safety in a group, under an umbrella, believing they have a safety net beneath them. The Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox do this at the exclusion of each other and at the exclusion of protestants and their churches. They unnecessarily provoke fear in each other. Someone got to be right and the other wrong. They compete, argue, and fight with each other. Protestants have the same fears, but they believe the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches are in error, so they try to alleviate their fears by claiming the Bible is infallible and they merely have to follow the Bible. But no individual protestant, no protestant church founder, and no protestant church as a group can infallibly interpret the Bible, or all of it anyway. They can get enough of it right. They might claim their interpretations are always correct, but they are in denial. We have to face the facts. No individual and no church is omniscient without error, knowing the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There are mysteries in the faith. However, we do know enough to have faith, and we just have to trust Christ who does know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He will sort it all out in the end. As Paul said that he and others build on the foundation which is Christ. What is built will be tested by fire. Though some of what is built will be lost, those who added will still be saved since their foundation was Christ. Christ laid the foundation. His Apostles added to it. Those who came after the Apostles added more. Not all which has been added over the centuries is Apostolic. The Gospels, Acts, and Epistles are Apostolic. They are closest to the Foundation who is Christ. They will survive the fire and even be refined by it. Our interpretations of them though still need refining. They give us added certainty, but the limited knowing capacity of our minds gives us some uncertainty. Faith that Christ won't condemn us for our ignorance makes up for our uncertainty in our mental capabilities to know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We don't know the whole truth, but we do know who does know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Foundational faith isn't head knowledge anyway, otherwise little children with their little knowledge would not have been presented as examples of faith by Christ to his Apostles. Jesus thanked his Father that he hid things from the learned but revealed them to the simple ones. I think hell is disproportionately populated with theologians without faith and heaven is disproportionately populated with simple minded souls with faith. Paul mentioned our incomplete knowledge will pass, but faith, hope, and charity will continue to abide. Relax. Have a little faith. Christ will sort it all out. He knows who in what churches have faithful, hopeful, charitable souls and who in what churches don't. You can't have hope without faith since faith is the assurance or under support for hope as Paul defined it. Without faith, hope is merely wishful thinking. Faith and hope in the One with the ability to save matters. He is charitable towards our ignorance and fears. He has the ability and faith provides the facility for his ability to work on and in and through us. He does the crux (Latin for cross) of the work. Our faith facilitates his work on and in and through us to produce charitable fruit which gives others hope and reinforces their faith. It's synergy. Faith is the antithesis to fear. Christ taught not to have anxiety about this life, but to have faith. That same faith can alleviate fears and uncertainties about the next life. His Father is a good father who feeds the birds of the air, who gives bread not stones, fish not serpents, and eggs not scorpions. So, if you get to heaven and find protestants dining on bread, fish, and eggs, don't protest to God and say they don't deserve to be here. Don't be like the prodigal son's brother. Don't be like the workers in the vineyard who worked longer yet received the same pay as those who worked less. Otherwise God might tell you to take your denarius and go. St Peter isn't going to give you a pop quiz on the deposit of faith. If you get a certain percentage correct, he will let you pass. Christ will look into your soul to see if you were faithful and what few fruits you brought for the wedding feast. If clothed with the wedding garment of gratitude (eucharist) he will dine with you. The main course will be roast lamb, bread, and wine. The few figs you brought can be added to the desert tray.
@@CameronRiecker I know God personally, I am not hoping I won the right denomination lottery. Prayer is the Biblical way my dear friend and you have my prayers.
@@CameronRieckerI think you mean the same God who gave all the believers in Him the Holy Spirit will judge us all. It maybe an awkward conversation for you when He asks, “Why did you seek to limit my Grace?” If it is sincere belief, then I suggest you search the Bible to find where the authority of the Church even comes close to equalling God or where He says specifically this doctrine is true. Because, there are quite a few verses that say this doctrine is false. If it is for views and discussion, you need to repent. Please understand, you do not owe me or anyone else any explanation. Just Him. I don’t speak high and mighty, because I am going to have LOTS of awkward conversations with Him and not all of them were well meaning errors.
First off, if Catholicism says that only Catholics can be saved and it is claimed this makes them special a couple of things come to mind. A. Muslims and Jehovah’s Witnesses say the same thing about their faith. B. You are putting the creation, the church on the same level as the creator while dealing with salvation. C. Jesus specifically in Scripture actually discounts this notion. Mark 9 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward. In this verse, Jesus discounts that doctrine. The Gospel is what unifies Christians, Jesus ALONE. The Bride of Christ are all that believe in him and call on his name. They are his sheep and they hear his voice. He built his Church on Peter and on Peter’s confession. You used 18:17 to also prove your point. (Even though the context s disagreement). However, I will use verse 20 of the same book and chapter to discount the Catholic only doctrine. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” The simple fact is all churches who preach the Gospel are preaching Christ are the Church. Literally, nothing in Matthew discounts that. Salvation is in Christ. By the way, if you want to get technical, while we may not have “apostolic succession” we do have what the apostles sad. In Holy Scripture, it shows us their words. We are not connected to Christ by any man, or group of men. We are not connected to Christ by any institution. We are connected to Christ by Christ and the Holy Spirit. Cameron, the time is short. The world is out of control and on the brink of what Jesus shared with John. Maybe we have a decade before it becomes very difficult to be a Christian in this part of the world. Your message isn’t unifying. I know in my personal life Roman’s 14 has given me some comfort in dealing with other Christian faiths. If the Catholic message is that there are no other salvation than through the Catholic Church specifically, then the Church puts itself on the same level as Christ. Just, wow.
@@christsavesreadromans1096So, you equate Jesus the same as the Church? That their equal for salvation? That an institution run my men, that is responsible for the Spanish Inquisition, the Encomienda system, the execution of heretics (find that in the New Testament) is somehow equally responsible for a person’s salvation? Jesus=Church? Are you sure about that?
@@christsavesreadromans1096So, the Church is equal in saving a person to Jesus? Really? Asking for clarification as that’s what your post is implying and I do not want to misrepresent you.
Sorry, can’t reply directly so you may or may not see this. Your belief that God chooses who he saves from only your Church is not found Biblically. (The Roman Catholic Church did not exist at the time, just like my church didn’t). You say, “We have apostolic succession.” We say, “We follow the words of the true apostles”. Either way, in theory we are following the same people, just differently. Your quote also smacks of a touch of Calvinism, which is weird. It is written that “He desires all to be saved.” Not just certain ones.
Meanwhile Catholics dont know their own bible but they are the absolute chosen. OK. I rather take my gamble with Christ and not a man led organization. Aint it odd in revelation the red and gold colors were associated with evil and who loves to wear these colors? But I digress, my beef is with the roman entity.
Well, at least you are sincere. I watched the whole video and, despite the stone wall, you mean well. The thing is, when you make the ultimatum, you make the Catholic church a cult. Without this, the Catholic church would be OK. Some strange ideas but part of the Christian community all over the world. What saves you? In the end it will be very simple. you will be a sheep or you will be a goat. In that parable Jesus does not even allude to any church. The question is ARE YOU TRANSFORMED? Simple as that. The passage in Matt 18, I should say something about. The context is personal offence in a LOCAL church. It has nothing to do with with accepting catholic dogma or not. You've read that into it. Is the authority of the Catholic church valid? The evidence is not very good. We have a verse in scripture. Only 1. In only one of the Gospels. About Peter, and it can be taken in 2 ways. It can be taken that Peter was, indeed, the head of the church and given the keys. Many people at that time believed that was the case. It can also be taken as Peter being "a pebble" (as the Greek strongly suggests), an example of a person believing in Jesus (the first one to believe). And the "rock" (as the Greek strongly suggests) being a figurative rock made up of "living stones" that all have faith in Jesus. "Giving you the keys to the kingdom" could easily have been directed at the disciples as a whole, the Apostles. There was confusion about this passage in the early church and even Augustine stated that the interpretation of it should be left up to the believer. We have the letters of Ignatius that do present a case for a connection between Peter and a line of bishops. It's quite strong but Ignatius was not an apostle. However it does point strongly to that belief system existing from the beginning in much of the early church. Other church fathers chimed in but only after about 200AD. But there were other belief-systems circulating aswell. The whole thing was in the developmental stages. This idea that "the early church was Catholic" is simply untrue. Catholicism was strong but there were a mixture of ideas in the culture. And that's about it. There is nothing more to justify Catholicism. An ambiguous scripture and a Catholic belief-system that had taken root in the early church. After that the Catholic church continued the concept that, over time, became popes and a Magisterium and a whole organization, but without a sold connection to Peter and Jesus' pronouncement it's a questionable edifice. My conclusion, regarding apostolic succession is "well, maybe". That's all the evidence proves. Really. I don't see enough of A "Solid rock", shall we say. Maybe a trail of stones but nothing particularly worth putting my faith in. But I have no disrespect for Catholics. If they really believe in these things, well that is their belief system and I have no reason to try to pull it down. But it must be remembered that it is an act of faith.
Do you think Jesus is a “cult” because there’s no salvation outside of His name? Probably not, why then would you think it’s a “cultish” to believe there is no salvation outside of the visible church He founded?
Did you read what he said? The evidence is that Catholics make claims strongly that the Early Church was Catholic. He said, that the evidence proves it wasn’t fully, but eventually morphed into that. He also said that saying you must be a part of any church to be saved sounds cultish. (Islam and JW) The Church does not equal Jesus. You have no standing to say that as he very eloquently noted.
@@christsavesreadromans1096I’ll say it clearly, there is no proof that Jesus meant only Catholics. He meant all believers, that is obvious. You are skewing scripture to fit your narrative.
Protestant here. Whenever you see Christ referring to "the church", nearly all of our disagreements are going to stem from the fact that you claim "the church" is one institution, and Protestants believe that there are many valid institutions that make up the one church. Protestants do believe there's only one church. 6:21 That is NOT what Jesus taught. I could give you thirty different verses to the effect of "believe/follow Christ and be saved". Not "join an organization and be saved". Jesus did not call the apostles to join his organization, he called them to follow him. 8:00 So welcoming that they're barred from communion and told they'll spend an eternity apart from Christ if they don't join your organization? When I read the new testament, I read over and over that the way to heaven is to follow Christ. Never is it mentioned that I need to submit to one particular bishop who is supreme over all the others. 9:18 I appreciate the sentiment, but Protestants do have that peace. That's one of the biggest takeaways of the new testament (and especially books like 1 John) is that I don't have to stress all the time about my eternal fate. I paused the vid when you said "I want you to have a relationship..." and I thought you were going to say "with Christ". I got all prepared to respond to that, but then you said "relationship with our blessed mother". You can try to theologically justify how it's not really worship, or not prayer in quite the same way, but at the end of the day this is taking the focus off of Christ. How much prayer time do you think Roman Catholics lose with God because they're praying to Mary instead? Of course, they could just pray longer, but the boots on the ground reality is that praying to Mary takes the focus off of Christ. Confessing to a priest makes people uncomfortable going straight to God. Venerating icons of Mary takes time away from worshipping Christ. 9:36 Don't feel like you're being attacked, but join my organization or be damned. Can you put yourself in a Protestant's shoes for a second and see how this comes off as incredibly disingenuous? 14:21 Can you tell me where God gave us this law? It seems like Jesus spends a lot of time in the new testament telling us to believe and be saved, and no time telling us to submit to Peter and his successors alone. This is really strange if our salvation depends on it. Invincible ignorance does not save this doctrine, and I'll prove it. I don't live in a remote village in Africa as you put it. I live in the United States, where I'm not formally persecuted for my religion. I have been validly baptized, I've committed to following Jesus, and I do my best to do so every day. I'm aware of the teachings of Rome, and I knowingly reject the Roman bishop's authority over me. You as a responsible Roman Catholic should tell me "Mike, even though you've made Christ the lord of your life, it's very unlikely that you'll be saved. When John wrote his first letter to give confidence of eternal life to the followers of Christ, that wasn't for you". 16:37 before I really got into theology stuff, I saw a meme of heaven where all the denominations had their own room. The joke was the Roman Catholics had their door closed, and the angel warned you not to knock because they thought they were the only ones there. I wrote it off as people being mean or uncharitable, until I learned that it was a dogma. An infallible, foundational dogma that says as the Council of Florence infallibly put it, "none who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can partake of eternal life...". I greatly appreciate the fact that you both understand and communicated this dogma correctly, I just don't know how you can be on board with it.
Jesus Christ, our God and Savior, established only One True Apostolic Church, His Catholic Church, His Bride. He gave us His Church, Clergy, Doctrine, Sacraments and Teachings; then taught and prayed everyone would belong to. He rebuked the Pharisees and Scribes for making their own versions, like all other Christian Churches have done. Mt23:1-39, Lk 11:37-54 All other Christian Churches have rejected Gods Only One True Apostolic Catholic Church, Clergy, Doctrine, Sacraments and Teachings in favor of some heretical mens versions. They are telling God their version is better than what He established. They don’t remain in His Doctrine, even though He said if we don’t remain, we don’t have Him. He prayed for us to be His Church. 2Jn1:9, 2Thess 3:6-16, Rom16:17, Jn10:16, 17:20-26, Eph 4:4-6, Gal1:6-9, 2 Cor11:3-4 They follow a different Gospel. Gal1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:3-4 They don’t receive His Sacraments He said are required to enter Heaven. Jn 3:5, Act 22:16, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Jn 20:21-23, Mt 18:17-18, Jn 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Eph 1:13, 2Cor 1:21-22, Mt19:4-6, Col 3:17-19, 2Cor5:20, 1:25-29, Lk22:28-32, Jm 5:16, Lk10:34 are a few pertinent verses. Pray for world conversion to live for God in His Church, not a heretics version!
St Peter warned against discerning Scripture for yourself as it leads to your destruction. 2 Peter 3:16 Protestants have heretical men’s versions of The Holy Bible. The Catholic Church comprised & gave The Holy Bible to the world. Written in 325AD, canonized in 382AD & reaffirmed in 393AD & 397AD. Over 1500 years later, Protestants, WITHOUT GODS AUTHORITY, rewrote it, added/deleted words, verses, chapters, books and changed wording to The Holy Bible & to The Ten Commandments. Changing a word here & there can negate the meaning of Gods words. Jer 26:2, Rev 22:18-19, 2 Pet 1:20-21, 3:16
@southernlady1109 2 Peter 3:16 does not say we can't understand scripture ourselves. It says some people twist scripture which is of course absolutely true. What are you talking about that the RCC "compromised" and "gave the world the Bible"? It was not written in 325 either, most NT books were written in the first century. I would love to read more about how Protestants changed the Bible, could you tell me what you mean when you say Protestants added and removed words?
How can you claim you believe Christ while rejecting His Church and teachings? How can you claim to follow Christ, but reject His Church? Jesus said to the Apostles, His first bishops, "he who listens to you, listens to me, he who rejects you, rejects me" and "why do you call me Lord and not do what I say?"
Ur adding a lot to the scripture. It doesn't say u have to be with the descendants of the Apostles to be saved, thats ridiculous bc people fall off and fall from heresies. Even Baptists claim to have a "blood line" going back to the 1st century christians. There is no catholic priesthood in the bible. The bible says we are all part of a royal priesthood. And pastors are husbands of one wife, not a person who vows not to marry.
"there is absolutely no salvation outside of the Catholic church"--correct--"that is Catholic dogma". that is not biblical dogma/doctrine. but rather, there is absolutely no salvation outside of jesus christ. there is no other name given by which we must be saved; not catholic, not baptist, not calvin, not luther nor any other name. jesus is the keeper of the vinyard, he is the vine, we are the branches, we live and produce fruit by being attached to Him. those who abide in christ, are the church, universal. originally, the meaning of catholic was "universal"--every nation, tribe people and tongue. the gospel of our salvation thru faith in jesus christ has gone out to the whole world, there are believers, visible, everywhere. fact is, no matter what church you sit in, if you do not have the spirit of christ in you, you are not his.
I'm sorry, but you sadly deceived. You can be saved outside of the RCC. You may want to read Revelation 17&18- Describes the RCC to a T. Peter was NOT the first pope!
Cameron answer to your lies!! You have dodging me…! Why? The truth should have fear in the face of a lie… But that is why you run.. lie again a mother day
This was defined at the council of Florence. The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church... can have a share in life eternal... It is defined elsewhere as well. But it certainly is a dogma that there is no salvation outside of the church.
@@CameronRiecker that would mean Bishop Barron is teaching false doctrine. What about paragraph 336-337 in the CCC? This is just bizarre to hear taught as catechism. As Catholics I've always been taught we cant know anybody's salvation this just has very protestant vibes about the whole concept.
Of course Catholics are Saved. Every Catholic knows that as long as he remains in a State of Grace then he will get to Heaven. And when in a State of Sin he knows that he has lost Heaven. This we know by the Sacraments of Salvation in which the Protestants deny. What's so amazing is that every single Protestant that I know denies the Sacraments as the means of receiving God's Saving Grace, and yet they cannot produce one single example of a person being saved like a Protestant anywhere in the Biblical New Covenant Church, that is by "faith alone" and without a Sacrament of the Catholic Church. Protestants believe they receive Grace the moment they first believe, and yet the Bible NEVER teaches that. Protestant doctrines NEVER save a single soul. Biblical doctrines of the Catholic Church are necessary for you to be saved. You should really pay attention to what Cameron has to say in his videos. God bless.
@@purgatorean does the Bible say that? Is Jesus not the same yesterday today and forever?In Genesis 15:6 we are told that Abraham “believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness.” “And as soon as we heard it, our hearts melted, and there was no spirit left in any man because of you, for the Lord your God, he is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath.” Joshua 2:11 “For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth.” Job 19:25 And Job is not saved?
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ The Incarnate Jesus never existed before being conceived in His mother's womb. The Incarnate Jesus is the Savior of the World. "The Word became flesh". John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man. John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me Eph. 4:7 But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore it is said, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.” 9 (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth? 1 Pt. 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly did not obey..... The Apostles Creed also teaches that Jesus descended into Hell and the Church tells us why He descended into Hell: Catechism of the Catholic Church par. 633: "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell." Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him. Before Jesus, the righteous were kept in the Bosom of Abraham waiting for Jesus to come to them, which He did after dying on the Cross.
The question shouldn't be "Is (insert denomination) saved?"
It should be "Are you saved?"
We don't have time for childish denominational fuss. We are all one in Christ and, in that way, share the same tradition.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
The idea is that there is *one Truth,* therefore *one way to live your faith* that is pleasing to God.
Protestants are not "one" with Christ, because they aren't "one" period. Different concepts of what "faith" is; different views on what's considered "sinful"; different beliefs and interpretations regarding what they have to do to "be saved". So either one of them is correct on what God wants of its flock, or all of them are (which is more likely).
That's what religion technically refer to: "How should you live your faith to please God".
Only the Catholic Church dates back to the time of Christ, and only the Catholic Church has the credentials in doctrinal unity.
*Without a visible Church authority, there is NO Church unity.* Period.
@@MystoRobot you've missed the point of church authority by a LONGSHOT. Christ is the church authority, not us. You speak as if Christ was thrown out of the very thing he created.
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ONE Catholic Church over a period of 2000 years (vs) 20,000+ different protestant churches incapable of unity due to their many different interpretations... over only 500 years starting with the first couple denominations.
They all have one thing in common: No authority to declare what Truth is. The faithful are left alone with their Bibles... and are divided.
Tell me... is that the unity Christ had in mind when he said _"I want all of them to be one with each other, just as I am one with you (the Father)"_ ? No. You are a fool if you believe this.
Truly, without a visible Church authority, there is no unity. The proof is there... you just don't want to look at it.
@@MystoRobot no, you're absolutely right. Protestant churches are incredibly scattered when it comes to what you should believe.
What I'm really saying is that it should be called just *"The Church."* Not Protestant, not Catholic, not even Orthodox. It should be how it was when it first started. The reason why we have denominations in the first place is because we just couldn't agree on something.
Really, when you think about it, the church is not who declares the truth. Jesus declared the truth, and it is our responsibility to follow it. Yet, basically, as you said, churches over time have twisted the truth. However, Catholicism is in the same shoes as Protestantism, in that it came from a disagreement. That doesn't really make it any better or worse.
The church isn't the authority. Jesus is. He created it and set a responsibility to teach about what he spoke. He wants us to be united, but we can't because we believe we are better than each other. That includes you. Your motive to say "Catholicism is better" is rooted in pride, my friend.
"John answered and said, "Master, we saw someone casting out devils in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us. But Jesus said to him, "Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you."
Jesus does not want those who are His to have arguments online. Salvation in Christ has always been a matter of one's heart, not where one is planted. If it is a matter of where one worships, the Samaritan woman at the well was right.
Exactly.
wow... this is the smartest comment I've seen ever. So many people pressure others to become Catholic, but I'm glad where I am, and getting people to Christ. I'm not interested in bringing down other Christians, yet we're so insistent on it. Which is of satan
I've fallen so many times and committed so many habitual sins and I'm telling you all from my heart that every time I've walked out of the confessional booth I've felt renewed and relieved in ways that I've never received anywhere else. Don't deprive yourself of this beautiful sacrament. Also, you'll be ready for the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist after you are absolved of your sin. Amazing gifts from God! Praise Jesus!
Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
The uploader actually liked this comment as if it doesn't annihilate his catholicism. The only requirement for salvation is full trust in Jesus to save you, not supplemented by works or traditions of some church institution. The Catholic does not believe in salvation through faith in Christ, they believe in salvation through devotion to the pope's endless absurd traditions and rituals. Eating crackers, confessing to a priest, hail marys, literally BUYING your way into heaven through indulgences.
@@KevinGeneFeldmanI encourage you to diligently and intentionally find truthful Catholic answers about everything you just mentioned. You not only misrepresented the Catholic claim, but were very disrespectful to the Christian belief, especially degrading the body of Christ to a “cracker” that we take during mass. I can provide good answers and content to search for these answers, but please do not disrespect the Lord or the faith because you do not understand it.
@@thegreatcereal My friend, I hear this from catholics themselves. You don't like me reducing Christ to "a cracker" because when you say it without all the verbal fluff it sounds absurd, because it is. You irrefutably believe that a piece of bread is LITERALLY transformed into Jesus Christs LITERAL physical body, thousands of times a day in millions of pieces all over the world, and its got an illusory spell on it so you cant detect the transformation either by taste, sight or scientific measuring equipment and then you LITERALLY cannibalize Jesus then worship the remainder of the bread as its paraded around. I know what you believe and its detestable and heretical.
@@KevinGeneFeldmanYou are simple-minded. Stop believing in the man-made theology of hatred introduced in the 17th century.
@@KevinGeneFeldman please bro please... enough of the wars online. I'm so tired of it, I'm not Catholic but it's embarassing to keep on harassing others, when we too have our own problems which we need to fix.
Your own church says that Muslims, Protestants, Jews et al can be saved. Pope Francis says that converting Eastern Orthodox Christians is a grave sin
Muslims, and Jews cannot be saved. Only Christ is the door.
The Church does not teach these things;
That's just Francis's opinion, *and his opinion is not considered magisterial* (is not considered an infallible Church Teaching - these thoughts will die with him without affecting our Catechism). There has been a few anti-popes in the past, and he quite possibly be one of them.
If you thought the Church taught these things, you should really learn more about how the Church works before commenting.
@@MystoRobot Vatican II/Nostra aetate. You should do your own research. Also look into the Alexandria document vis a vis Orthodoxy
@@david88497
They can be saved solely if they are in ignorance of the True Faith, & if they uphold the Natural Law to quasi perfetion, with the desire to be united to Christ in His Church.
Otherwise, if they are aware of the Catholic Church's claims, refuse to investigate, and claim to be able to be saved through their own religions, they will NOT go in Heaven.
Go check. The requirements are very precise, and those who meet them are extremely few in numbers.
You're not saved by being a good Jew, a good muslim, or a good protestant according to each religion's standards.
@@MystoRobot “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841)
This needs to be talked about more. The question shouldn't be "Are Catholics saved?" But "Are Protestants saved?"
The Bible clearly says you have a doctrine of demons 1 Timothy 4:1-3
Eucharist is satanic according to Hebrews 13:8-16
Luke 20:36 says you are in idolatry
@josh39684 The early church fathers dealt with these very issues...
"If one does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he should desert the chair of Peter, upon whom the church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the church?" -Cyprian of Carthage 259 ad
@@mr.e8432 well the Bible says that we are one in Christ not in Peter.
Salvation belongs to the Lord
@@mr.e8432 it’s the guy who made this video can’t answer for misquoting the Bible
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ The problem with the 16th century men is they severed themselves from the body of Christ in the Eucharist and in the Church. The Catholic Church is the bride and Christ is the bridegroom and the two become one, “This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the church..” Eph5:21-33. . Also Christ is the head of the body, the Catholic Church Col1:18. Jesus can have only one bride and one body.
Unfortunately the Protestants will argue that the Church is the body of believers in Christ. That the organization is not visible
My wife’s Baptist pastor teaches this which is an unfortunate misunderstanding, but all we can do is pray for unity 🙏🏼
It is visible and not visible. The church is real, but there is a spiritual aspect that is unseen.
Let’s be honest, the church is Christ instituted and run by men. The way the Church dealt with things such as the Inquisition and the Encomienda system was not following Christ at all.
The spirit part of the individual has always been more important. Without that, the visible church will not walk in the light of Christ.
The Church IS all who believe.
John MacArthur had better cool it. His hatred of the church will condemn him
The shows the Catholicism to be a doctrine of demons…
Need the scriptures??
I agree John MacArthur is in some serious trouble if you have to really pray for him his hatred of the Catholic Church spews the devil’s hatred for the Catholic Church, and I feel sorry for him in someways, but he should know better being a scholar
The Catholic Church is outright condemned in the Bible. The principal scriptures are 1 Timothy 4:1-3 unmarried church leaders is a doctrine of demons
Hebrews 13:8-16 calls the Eucharist “strange and diverse teachings”
Luke 20:36!says you are in idolatry
@@robertd9743 you are so right about people like John MacArthur. His soul is in eternal danger. When a person attacks the Catholic faith like he does he cannot be saved. Pray for his conversion 🙏. He cannot claim invincible ignorance at all. Pride pride pride
Pastor Macarthur is saved in Christ. He's headed to heaven.
This needs to be preached all day and everyday. Good for you for making this video. God bless!
Without being in full communion with Christ; one is not saved.
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6:53
John 16:25 Jesus spoke in figurative language… so sorry…
Hebrews 13:8-16 says the Eucharist is “strange and diverse “ doctrine
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ Did Hebrews 13 actually mean what you said? How do you know that? Who taught you that?
For us Catholics, we are taught by the teachers who were taught by their teachers, who were then taught by the Apostles themselves, who in turn was with Jesus when He was on earth. Can you say that same about your teachers with full conviction?
@@euengelion The Bible says THE Faith was ONCE FOR ALL delivered. 100% sufficient then and now
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ Please for the love of our Lord read it all, I see you are not bad intended but you believe false informations:
Mt 26,26-29; Mk 14,22-25; Lk 22,15-20 all speak This is my body, only in John´s evangelium there is not spoken about it. So you cannot say this is figurative speech, Jesus talks in parables and in riddles in whole John 16 but not in whole John evangelium until now....
In 1 corinthians this is example (foreshadowing) of euacharist as well as blood of lamb on the doors when israelites had ran from the egypt.
John 6:62-64 Yes flesh is weak, but not My flesh(Christ´ flesh) He makeds distinguishion with "flesh" and "my flesh" this argument is common among protestants, but I am not the one who does not see there is "My flesh" and then a "flesh" There is one former protestant Steve Ray speaking about this on youtube I suggest you watching it.
Daniel 7 speaks about something different, for me it looks like book of revelations (especially: ,,time and half of time" used there, I may be wrong with this but so may be you)
Who of us is stubborn and don´t want to see they are probably wrong ? I went through all the verses and chapters you had written, now it´s your turn to speak with a priest, pray and make your mind open to truth, what if you are wrong ?
If I am wrong, then I am Christian, baptised in the name of the Father, Son and a Holy Spirit, I try to live sinless life (as Christ said: ,,Be holy as your Father is Holy") I believe only Christ can save me (not Mary, not pope, not my works) but I try to keep Christ´s commands in Matthew 25:35-40
If you are wrong (you do not have the true faith in Christ (as you think of us)) you are risking God´s salvation. Christ died for all humans, but not all will be saved. You will not be saved automatically by believing that God came to earth and died for us, but by truly believing and doing all he said. John 14:12 Matthew 7,21-28
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ Please for the love of our Lord read it all, I see you are not bad intended but you believe false informations:
Mt 26,26-29; Mk 14,22-25; Lk 22,15-20 all speak This is my body, only in John´s evangelium there is not spoken about it. So you cannot say this is figurative speech, Jesus talks in parables and in riddles in whole John 16 but not in whole John evangelium until now....
In 1 corinthians this is example (foreshadowing) of euacharist as well as blood of lamb on the doors when israelites had ran from the egypt.
John 6:62-64 Yes flesh is weak, but not My flesh(Christ´ flesh) He makeds distinguishion with "flesh" and "my flesh" this argument is common among protestants, but I am not the one who does not see there is "My flesh" and then a "flesh" There is one former protestant Steve Ray speaking about this on youtube I suggest you watching it.
Daniel 7 speaks about something different, for me it looks like book of revelations (especially: ,,time and half of time" used there, I may be wrong with this but so may be you)
Who of us is stubborn and don´t want to see they are probably wrong ? I went through all the verses and chapters you had written, now it´s your turn to speak with a priest, pray and make your mind open to truth, what if you are wrong ?
If I am wrong, then I am Christian, baptised in the name of the Father, Son and a Holy Spirit, I try to live sinless life (as Christ said: ,,Be holy as your Father is Holy") I believe only Christ can save me (not Mary, not pope, not my works) but I try to keep Christ´s commands in Matthew 25:35-40
If you are wrong (you do not have the true faith in Christ (as you think of us)) you are risking God´s salvation. Christ died for all humans, but not all will be saved. You will not be saved automatically by believing that God came to earth and died for us, but by truly believing and doing all he said. John 14:12 Matthew 7,21-28
There is also Catechism paragraphs 836-838. And the fact that the Church counts most protestant baptisms as legit. Salvation comes only through the Church, but protestants are counted as being under that umbrella, even if imperfectly.
Bible literally says salvation is through Christ alone.
@@c0rndog748 and that would include working through his design and all he has set in place for us. As Jesus himself said to his followers (i.e., the earliest gathering of his Church), "All authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to me. Therefore GO . . .", as in, he delegated his authority. The Church has always been a central part of Jesus' plan.
I would also direct you to 1 Timothy 3:15, which says that the CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of the truth.
(Some) of their baptism is legit.. but it doesn't take long before they fall in mortal sin after it. *The moment they fall,* they are outside of Christ, and will only be able to return to Him through confession... the sacrament they rejected along the priesthood.
@@donm-tv8cm and the Bible also says not to pray to dead people yet Catholics allow Mary and others to intercede for them when that’s Christs purpose. That would also be idolatry no? The Bible also makes no room for any one call one “Father” in spiritual nonbiological sense in Matthew 23:9 yet Catholics make normal of this and cope with “Jesus nor Matthew actually take that literally” which is to say Jesus spoke out of turn or spoke a lie which is blasphemy at its base. Church is important in scripture but the church in scripture is humble and has little structure outside of basic callings of pastors, deacons, elders. None of which call for massive churches, the Bible also doesn’t state a church to be filled with images or works of art of Jesus and others yet Catholics and orthodorks do this. The Bible going back to roles also doesn’t call for popes, cardinals or other things that place a hierarchy of people above others. Christ says we are brothers and sisters under Him and the Father. The Catholic Church was corrupt from its inception, insisting people had to pay to be saved and insisting upon paying for dead people to be saved posthumous and the thought alone that people thought they needed to make government out of Gods church is hilarious. Also why must you need an intermediary person to repent? Jesus gave you the Holy Spirit to have a one on one connection to God and Him through prayer, the curtain was torn my guy. Catholics are a step back in every direction, truly truly not one is saved, but I pray you see Gods true light and read the Bible for your own understanding and walk from that church and truly be saved before it’s too late
@@c0rndog748 you sound just like a Church of Christ believer -- just like me, historically.
You haven't raised one issue here I haven't raised myself. But I'm not going to waste my time batting back and forth with you on it. The reason I'm Catholic today and not Church of Christ is because Catholic apologetics materials are actually excellent at answering every one of these concerns more than satisfactorily. I'm a living witness: your concerns are understandable but unfounded in view of the Catholic response. They have every one of these concerns more than covered, for anyone willing to look into them. I would encourage you to go look into that.
And I will tell you this much: if devout, obedient Catholics aren't saved, there's no hope for ANY Protestant. Yep! I said it, and I mean it. And I mean it as someone who has thoroughly studied the issue, who understands Church history, etc. I speak as someone thinking of John 17:20 and onward. For over a thousand years the church was unified and monolithic and one just as Jesus prayed for. You had the Great Schism, and then over 400 more years until the Protestant Reformation came along. I'm not going to write a novel here. Suffice to say just look what happened in the wake of that. You no longer have "one Lord, one Faith, one baptism" among you, but many conflicting beliefs and many countless groups among you, many of whom think they're the only ones saved in the world. Unity? No. Protestants are nobody to be deciding who has a hope for heaven and who does not.
At death, within a heart beat, Jesus can slow down time and invite you into HIS church.
Nothing is impossible to Him, He will do anything possible to invite thoose that are catholics. That is how amazing He is.
I'm looking forward to discussing this matter in Heaven with you, my dear brother, from my traditional Anglican point of view. May God bless you.
God bless you 😄
The clearest evidence against Rome's claims to authority is the fact that people outside of that church ARE saved, and are filled with the Holy Spirit and live a change life. The testimony of the Holy Spirit cannot be refuted.
Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world" - so why should his church be a wordly organisation?
Amen brother
This is well said.
I'm not so sure. Br. Peter Dimond has studied this and many other such questions extensively, and answered them on his YT channel from Scripture, Papal Bulls and Encyclicals, and many other historically trusty sources . Objectively speaking, only a person who is baptized in water and lives the Catholic faith daily will go to Heaven; everyone else, because not in the Religion and Culture Jesus Christ founded, is on the road to Hell.
Besides, denying Papacy is to deny Jesus. Says St. Peter and his successors' authority to define dogma and preach the Good News infallibly doesn't matter cause Jesus can make mistakes--nobody's proven the King of Kings did that.
Maria Simma and other Purgatory mystics have shared plenty: God takes the person's circumstances and all into account. If a woman leads life of sin, yet repents on her deathbed and dies in perfect contrition, she will go to Heaven, and a priest who spends a lot of time criticizing others in his heart blocks himself from Heaven.
That being said, eternally speaking, anyone who has heard Heaven is open only to the repentant sinner that is baptized in water and professes the entire Catholic faith? That would indeed be the case for that person.
@@Brom2855Where does St. Peter say anything about the papacy?
@@Brom2855Actually, your whole premise is founded on faulty thinking. Jesus defines the church basically in Matthew 17:20. The word Catholic never graced his lips while he was on Earth. In addition, Protestants do follow the apostles….you know….the letters in the Bible.
Finally, in Mark 9:38-41 he says anyone who does basically anything in my name will not lose his reward. The context is someone else was exercising demons in the name of Jesus, but was NOT with the group who would be apostles.
The argument for Catholicism starts from Jesus setting up a church, making Peter the ruler, and then going through church history seeing this organization expand.
The problem with this narrative is significant. First, the churches in the book of Acts do not match the Catholic church. If it recorded a pope, priests, and cardinals all established and spelt out with formal ceremonies, then virtually every Protestant would be a Catholic. It's not there.
Second, churches can be wrong and lose favor in God's sight, even to the point of losing their status as churches. Jesus gave this warning in Revelation 2:5 to repent or lose their candlestick (see Rev 1:20). So churches can lose favor in God's sight. How do they lose this privilege? By holding onto incorrect doctrine. And this is the mistake made in this video: conflating church history (Jesus started a church) with doctrine (the Roman Catholic Church's doctrine must be perfect because Jesus started the church). Even if one granted that the original church was RCC (which I do not), it does not mean the church still has its candlestick. The church at Ephesus had all valid claims to apostolic succession, believed in Jesus, was fervent in good works, yet it was still at risk of losing its status as a church.
I have used this argument myself, but this is very well reasoned. I may borrow this.
@@CountCulture27 Of course. Take. It's 100% free.
Very typical heretic answer.
I am a Catholic believer who doesn't believe in salvation for Catholics only.
Don't deceive yourself with such statements, even if they come from one of the previous popes.
Despite the many denominations, there is only one, holy, catholic (=universal) Church, and it consists of all people doing the will of God. As stated by our Lord in Matthew 7:21 (Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.)
In Luke 18:20-22 Jesus gives his answer to the question:"What must I do to inherit eternal life?" ("You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’ (...) Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.")
In both cases, there is no mention about any institution one has to be a member of.
catholic teaching is that there is no salvation outside the church which subsists in catholic church meaning anyone who isn't part of the catholic church except the invincibly ignorant are in danger. this is not the same as only catholics are saved because we affirm that even a non-chirstians can be saved in ways known only to God if they are invincibly ignorant. those who know that the catholic church is the true church and still refuse to join it or stay in it are in danger. as a catholic you must believe that there is no salvation outside the church that is the catholic church even if you don't understand it or else you are denying a dogma of the faith which is heresy if done with knowledge and deliberately.
Jesus died for all of us not just Catholics not just Protestant
He died for all so that they might join His Church and be saved.
@@CameronRiecker respectfully your wrong Jesus was sent to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins it doesn’t matter what church you go to as long as you profess Jesus to be your lord and savior and repent and turn away from sin you will be saved no matter what church or denomination you are
Turn away from sin is a lie the only perfect man is Jesus Christ stop pretending you can control sin because actually a curse goes to you when you try to perfect the law. Catholics don't read the bible otherwise they wouldn't believe so many baffling stuff.
The only salvation is under the name Jesus not Mary not catholic bs @@Tcy5544
@@awake7586 100% factual information
@@Tcy5544 ur not using scripture. Im not a catholic but u have to be part of the church of Christ not some man made church. Ephesians 4:4-5 "one faith one body one baptism". Not many different faiths, not different bodies, and not optional baptisms and infant baptism added. (I paraphrased the passage, its not the full verse).
2.5 years ago I was really lost and had rebelled against God. I was even denying God’s existence.
My job is emotionally challenging and out of desperation I went to the church of my grandmother- the Episcopalians. Somewhere in receiving communion every week and a Priest who helped work thru the anger I fell at Christ’s feet on Maudy Thursday 2023. God met where I was at, regardless of Protestant, Anglican, or Catholic. God reached into the pit and saved me. I am thankful.
Now the funny part is that I am in RCIA and will likely be Catholic by Christmas.
I will pray for you!
The real question is - are Catholics saved?
Some of them 😊
@@CameronRiecker Are you?
@@CameronRiecker how are you saved?
@CameronRiecker you know you are spreading a false doctrine
Dude, have you studied Vatican 2. Vatican 2 fixed a number of heresies including the belief that it is only RCs that are saved. kl The Scripture are clear: "for, ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’" Romans 10:13 The "bride of Christ" is the church. The church is all of the people who are going to heaven because they call upon the name of the Lord".
Have you studied Vatican 2?
You are totally misled by the modernist interpretation of VII.
Excellent video CR. There was a time when invincible ignorance could easily be applied to people. However in the computer age it’s nearly impossible. Being obstinate and not searching for the truth is not an excuse.
That is such an interesting topic. It does seem much more difficult to claim invincible ignorance since the advent of the internet
@@CameronRiecker Yes. I liked the way you laid out the three criteria necessary for invincible ignorance. I can’t figure out from what I’ve read when a person becomes responsible for their sins. I have been struggling with this for a couple of years since I noticed Catholic Christians explaining to protestants the errors in their comments and the same commenters pop up on another channel repeating the same false narrative. My thing is when does someone become culpable for their actions. Once a dogma or doctrine is explained they are no longer invincibly ignorant but become willfully ignorant and if they don’t pursue the truth they are obstinate and culpable so they fall into sin. Actually I don’t know if I’m on the right track or not. God bless.
Any person
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Any person whoever believes in him. Shall receive the Holy Spirit! Praise God !!
Stay in the light..
But how do you believe in Him when you don't believe in Him regarding His Church and the Eucharist?
@@tabandken8562 His Church is of all people who believe in Jesus and follow him.
According to the Bible, salvation is about being delivered from a fallen state and restored. In Christian terms, it's about righting what's wrong. Some Bible verses that relate to salvation include:
Romans 10:9-11: "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved".
Acts 16:30-31: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved".
1 John 2:2: "Jesus' death on the cross was the perfect and complete payment for our sin".
These are the believers in Jesus.
1 Peter 2:4-5 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Spiritual House means Temple or Church.
Peter knew he was the first of many Petros.
@@tabandken8562 I truly believe what Jesus said and Peter said many times in John 6
The Eucharist has the presence of the Holy Spirit in it and it is to give Eternal life to people who don't have it yet. In large quantities.
We perform this version of the Eucharist as needed. 10 to thousands of people being saved at the same time.
The Rememberance version is only for true Christian Believers that have repented of sins prior.
If you properly interpret the scriptures there is no problem.
I stear clear of false doctrines and false Canons.
@@kennethprather9633 You don't have a valid Eucharist. You have a mere symbol. Your Eucharist does nothing.
The Eucharist doesn't merely have the Holy Spirit, it is literally Jesus. Ours is, yours is not.
@@tabandken8562 Hebrews 13:8-16 says the Eucharist is “strange and diverse teaching” and that we have no right to eat our sacrifice…
Psalms 22:12-13 shows that the Eucharist is satanic action against Christ
"Rejoice rather that your names are written in Heaven"
Christ died for ALL.But not all will be saved.In fact, more will go to hell than heaven.
So if Peter is really the head of the church on earth, why wouldn’t the Gospel of Mark mention that or single out Peter in a more explicit way? After all, Mark’s Gospel account is based on Peter’s eyewitness testimony.
Guess who else boldly confesses that they are the only true church? Basically every cult that ever existed. Those same cults almost always feature a central human figure that is revered and considered infallible. Those similarities should concern you. "...WHOSOEVER believeth in him (Jesus) should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
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That's completely untrue. The prophecies show three divisions of Israel, Ephraim, Judah and Israel. So there's Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant. In fact, wherever Christianity was persecuted, those being persecuted were the true faithful, whether Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox. Unless they mean "Catholic" in the sense of the Latin Word which means "Complete." Then it's true.
Good food for thought. Though I do wonder how many catholics are giving Protestantism a fair shot by hearing it from their point of view? Despite how protestants appear to have a newer belief there are a lot great Protestant minds that can strongly back their position just like Catholics. I hope to see the bridge between Protestants and Catholics continue to grow even if we remain convinced of our respective doctrines. May grace and peace be with you all in Christ Jesus.
Jesus started one Church.
So did Luther.
So did Calvin.
I want to be a part of the one Jesus started.
@@CameronRiecker Me as well brother, may Christ guide us both despite ourselves.
I don't think I've ever seen so many comments per view (426 / 1.9K) on a YT video before. At first as I watched this video I was angry, but then I reconsidered and thought if you believe only Catholics can go to Heaven of course you are making this video so we can join the Catholic Church and be saved. So thank you for trying to help us get into Heaven. I don't know if I believe your premise that only Catholics can go to Heaven, but thank you for doing the kindest possible thing you can do within that framework. Paradoxically, this belief could make it harder for me to join the Catholic Church because I would need to believe that everyone I knew who was a Protestant was going to Hell. These are the times that I wish Christianity had just stayed in one happy Catholic Church so I wouldn't have to think about whether to be a Protestant or a Catholic.
Did you watch the whole video? I don’t think that is exactly what I was trying to communicate.
@@CameronRiecker I did watch the whole video, but that's a fair question because I know some people will just look at the title and not bother to watch the video. If I strawmanned your position, I apologize. I realize I left out your whole discussion of invincible ignorance. That is a very reassuring teaching when I think about all the people in the Americas before Columbus who knew nothing about Jesus or the Catholic Church.
Th church teaches that Protestants may be saved on account of their Catholicity, meaning their impartial or imperfect unity to the church through their baptism. Unfortunately many radical trad Catholics, such as this gentleman refuse to admit this or misunderstand this topic.
Well said 😁
Your priority is wrong, and your logic is human based, not God's perspective. It isn't a matter of salvation apart from any 'church,' but there is no salvation outside of Christ. Jesus is the Solid Rock the church is built upon, with Christ as the Chief Cornerstone - and Jesus does not sit atop of Peter.
Denominations are unbiblical
I completely agree 😄
And the catholic church is a denomination. So are "non-denominational" churches
I had a non-denominational guy tell me that basically I wasn't saved because Catholics were not Christians. I found it a little funny that his entire faith is based on a book the Catholic Church assembled, but we're not Christian. We're the original Christians.
That happened to me today.
@@mr.e8432 do you want the scriptures that confirms the doctrine of demons that is Catholicism
@@jimmu2008 well scripture says Catholicism is not of God
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ nowhere does it say that. That's just a lie. If you have really read the Bible-all of it, then you know that's not true.
@@jimmu2008 Hebrews 14:8-16 the Eucharist is condemned as strange and diverse
1 Timothy 4:1-4 it is a doctrine of demons
Like 20:36 it is idolatry
Jeremiah 44:18 Marianism is the worship of Tammuz whose appearance is different but is still the Queen of Heaven
and for this, the devil has been busy at work trying to divide the church. the rc church receiving attacks from all fronts- even Protestants who delude themselves. during the French revolution, it was priests and nuns who were beheaded (others died too).
@@fre7717 1 John 2:19 explains that it was Catholicism that corrupted the Christ’s image .. but sheep know the Shepherd’s voice
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ you are reading scriptures and don't even understand - it is no wonder there are so many thousands of protestant churches. The context reveals that John is warning his readers against false teachers: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19). If there are false teachers, that implies there are true teachers that Christians ought to listen to. The Spirit, or “the anointing,” teaches Christians the truth, but through the living teaching authority and not apart from them.
As the council fathers stated at the first council in Jerusalem, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things” (Acts 15:28, emphasis added). This is why John can teach in 1 John 4:6 that adherence to the Church is the condition for being united to God. same is true today- false teachers in some Protestants who don't believe in trinity, some don't believe jesus is God, some don't believe in real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist (just symbolism), denies in real water baptism (beyond symbolism), no real repentance accordance to scripture- the disciples and early church fathers would say these are heretical distortions. some of these are not new heresies - some wrote against them in epistles. furthemore, shame on you for inserting words not in scripture and distortion of the meaning. the bible warns against this.
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ shame on you for such distortion of scripture and adding your own words. the bible warns against this. The context reveals that John is warning his readers against false teachers: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19). If there are false teachers, that implies there are true teachers that Christians ought to listen to. The Spirit, or “the anointing,” teaches Christians the truth, but through the living teaching authority and not apart from them.
As the council fathers stated at the first council in Jerusalem, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things” (Acts 15:28, emphasis added). This is why John can teach in 1 John 4:6 that adherence to the Church is the condition for being united to God. no Wonder we have thousands of protestant denominations, some don't believe in trinity, some think Eucharist is just symbolism, others think baptism is symbolism, some don't believe Jesus is God, salvation, etc. they all cannot be correct on every theology that is different and so there is certain to be false teachers amongst the lot.
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ @JC_Forum_of_Christ shame on you for such distortion of scripture and adding your own words. the bible warns against this. The context reveals that John is warning his readers against false teachers: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19). If there are false teachers, that implies there are true teachers that Christians ought to listen to. The Spirit, or “the anointing,” teaches Christians the truth, but through the living teaching authority and not apart from them.
As the council fathers stated at the first council in Jerusalem, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things” (Acts 15:28, emphasis added). This is why John can teach in 1 John 4:6 that adherence to the Church is the condition for being united to God. no Wonder we have thousands of protestant denominations, some don't believe in trinity, some think Eucharist is just symbolism, others think baptism is symbolism, some don't believe Jesus is God, salvation, etc. they all cannot be correct on every theology that is different and so there is certain to be false teachers amongst the lot. it is only the catholic and orthodox that follow the teachings of apostles from the beginning in a line of succession.
Jesus has only one bride, not many. The Apostles didn't go out creating many institutions of 1 Church. How can you claim you believe and follow Jesus, yet disbelieve Him regarding His Church, the Eucharist, etc? How can you believe you follow Jesus, but reject His Church? He told His first bishops, "whoever listens to you, listens to me and whoever rejects you, rejects me" and "why do hou call me Lord and not do what I say?"
You stated it correctly 🙏
Let me see if I can answer.
We do not reject Hs church, we reject the Catholic Church teachings that have fallen out of line with Scripture.
We reject your definition of the Last Supper as it would paint Jesus as a breaker of the Law. Drinking blood is forbidden in Leviticus 17. Jesus kept every statute of the Law, he would not have caused anyone else to either. Plus, it’s weird how Catholics seem to read only the literal part of John 6:53 I think, but don’t read John 6:28-29 literally. Or that if they read that it is literal that he means them to eat his flesh, do you actually see Jesus as a loaf of bread?
He told his apostles whoever listens to you, etc. I realize that they considered themselves elders and maybe y’all consider them bishops. But, they raised people from the grave, healed the blind,etc. Do your bishops do this? Seems like it was an order for a specific group of people, to say it went further to even that specific group seems presumptive.
I hope this helps.
@@CountCulture27 You reject the Truth and cling to your faulty interpretations of the Bible and Church teachings. You reject Jesus because He started the Catholic Church and never started another. You reject the Holy Spirit because it's the Holy Spirit that preserves Truth in the Church Jesus started. And yes, we still have miracles in the Catholic Church.
@@tabandken8562I know the Holy Spirit. I noticed you had no rebuttal on the reason why I personally see the Last Supper as symbolic. Ow can it not be for Jesus would’ve broken the Law for it to be literal.
@@CountCulture27 you are ignorant of what the Church teaches.
Are people who dont follow a false religion saved? I got to see this to find out!
I couldn't agree more.
Most likely yes. The fewness of the saved is a real thing and the brutal truth is most Catholics wont make it. Have mercy on us Lord
Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. 1 John 5:13 states that the letter of 1 John was written for the purpose of assuring believers of the certainty of their salvation.
Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a willful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).
Good Works: The Roman Catholic Church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24).
Um, you may want to study the definitions for the Greek words for 'petros' which He used to refer to Peter, and 'petra', which he used in the very same sentence to refer to Himself. Jesus just made an analogy of Peter's proven faith, referring to him as a pebble, and Himself, the unbreakable rock. Matthew 16:16; also, I Cor. 10:4.
After all, Jesus said, I am the Way . . . not Peter. John 14:6.
I think a more useful question here is: why are some of you so intent on dividing His church? 🤔
And yet this church teaches Muslims worship the same god with a pope who kissed the Quran.
Who loves God..more? Your way isn't good enough. Your club isn't exclusive enough. I'm going to the sky.. you're not.
Its not religion or denomination that saves people, ITS JESUS ALONE & FAITH IN HIM. I do go to orthodox church, but I'm not leaning on that, I lean on Jesus, because I've met more nonbelievers at church than I have outside the church.
In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.333
To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.334
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
thankfully, Christians know better -- this isn't Christianity and the Bible stands as Testimony against this.
This makes sooooo much sense!!! Thank you!!!!!
The Catholicism is a doctrine of demons….
1 Timothy 4:1-4 says so
You are in idolatry according to Luke 20:36 and 1 Samuel 28:13-14
Eucharist is satanic Hebrews 13:8-16
It does to me as well. The young man is implying the Catholic Church is equal to salvation to Jesus. Your church membership nor mine will save us in the end. Only belief in Christ.
we see this in the united church of Canada- they have an atheist minister and all elements of what is supposed to be their 'faith' are optional. we see you his in JW and Mormonism - thanks so much Protestants for leading the section of the flock into a misguided direction. protestants not being consistent on abortion (only recently fighting this), same for divorce, and more recently on IVF. this is not me attacking Protestants, but is my lamentation of the state of things.
@@fre7717 Catholicism is a doctrine of demons.. scripture clearly demonstrates…
Idolatry
Eucharist
Doctrine of demons
I am a cradle Catholic who fell away from the faith, but was reintroduced to the faith from the Protestant lens two years ago. Today as I have struggled with Protestant vs Catholic Christianity for well over a year and still doing research, I lean more towards Catholicism, but I still have some doubts and still see some Protestant arguments as “making sense”. Today I have found that the Catholic and Protestant understanding of salvation (justification) is pretty much the same, only Catholics include sanctification as an ongoing process of justification, therefore can’t come to say that we are already saved. while Protestants say that sanctification is a process that the already justified undergo and is evidence of their salvation. I still have many doubts and inquiries so I am continuing to do research. But I am a regular at mass every week, I’m in confession every week, and I am truly seeking the Lord on this matter. I would ask, Cameron, when you mentioned in this video that the only possible true churches are the Catholic and orthodox churches, how do Catholics reconcile that? Do the orthodox brothers and sisters fall under the same category of “extra ecclesia” or are the considered a part of the church just not in perfect communion? Because the only disputes of the schism between east and west are the papacy and the filioque, in sure there’s more minute theological disputes here and there, but in that sense, other than that, we practice the same faith, don’t we? So how do we view the orthodox? As being in the same church just split? Or are the extra ecclesia as well? I know the orthodox see us as simply fully off the ark of salvation, and anyone who’s not orthodox is simply not in the ark.
Even if you don’t consider me your brother because I’m not catholic, I think you are my brother because it seems you are a follower of Christ. I am saved and have peace in Christ. I am following Jesus. I am part of His church.
In the New Testament, the term church (ekklesia) means assembly or group of people. It represents the group of people composed of Jesus’ followers. All the people under that category are part of the church. Such people could be catholic, orthodox and protestant. Catholics, orthodox and protestants come from the same foundation: Christ (1 Cor. 3:11). However, not everyone who calls themselves catholic, orthodox, or protestant will be saved. The condition of the heart is what is most important to God (Psalm 51:17).
Salvation can only be obtained through Christ (Acts 4:12). In that regard, the universal church, composed of Jesus’ followers, would consist of people who receive the gift of salvation. It doesn’t seem correct to exclude other Christians like today’s protestants who preach in countries where they are regularly imprisoned and even martyred from the group of people who follow Jesus. Scripture does not support such exclusion. Those brothers and sisters who have been imprisoned or killed because of their love for Christ are part of the church, a very visible church.
The nature of God’s true church is discussed, for example, in the parable of the seed that grows in Mark 4:26-29. This parable illustrates the nature of the Kingdom of God as a faith-centered process entailing initial individual actions, a developmental period, and a series of ordained outcomes. This is confirmed when considering this passage's meaning, significance, and application and its historical, cultural, and literary contexts. The Kingdom of God is Christ-centered and faith-centered and involves the actions of countless individuals working together with patience to experience the fulfillment of God’s eternal plan.
Again, even if you don’t consider me your brother because I’m not catholic, I think you are my brother because it seems you are a follower of Christ. I am saved and have peace in Christ. I am following Jesus. I am part of His church.
God bless you.
Protestants share in a common baptism. They are are brothers and sisters although they lack the fullness of the Gospel.
@@CameronRieckerYou mean the part of the Gospel that came after the writer’s of the Bible passed? The ones that the Church instituted?
@@CameronRiecker I’m not sure what you mean. Protestants have the same New Testament as catholics. Also, if you are saying that catholics and protestants can be brothers and sisters then you are agreeing protestants have salvation since we become brothers and sisters when we are received as God’s children in our salvation through Christ (Romans 8:12-17).
@@macamacfoldohe’s very confused, sadly!
Being saved (John 3:16) and practicing your faith (Philippians 2:12) are two different things. Your video is labeled about being saved, when it really discussed how one practices their faith.
I believe that Jesus and His death is the one and only way to salvation from God's justified wrath. I think we both would agree that I am saved.
Yet we disagree from that point onwards on how I practice my faith. You have one method and I have a different. So your video is inaccurate when it speaks to being saved. Rather it should speak to how a Christian should properly practice their faith.
And on that point we could debate until Jesus returns and sets the record straight for all of us.
Dont listen to protestant explanations? WHat if your CONSCIENCE tells you to listen to a Protestant explanation?????
Yes, this should be speaked more
@@TomasTomi30Catholicism is strange and diverse teaching
Hebrews 13:8-16 not of God of gods
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ Catholicism is the orgininal (the first) teching, all the other denominations and churches comes from catholicism
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ John 6:53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
In John 6:66 Many has left him, because for Israelites drinking blood and eating human flesh meant they would become unclean...
Jesus did not say to them, wait this is a parable I will say how you have to understand it.... Instead He said: This is my body (Not only is this something to commemorate me)
@@TomasTomi30 You take John 6 literally?
@@TomasTomi30 no “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. Catholicism is different than Christianity
But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. This is why Christians read the Bible and have all those scriptures which are the words of God. We are not perfect, but he leads and teaches us. Not body here on earth. Catholics can’t even imagine this.
But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him.”
1 John 2:19-20, 27
The Truth is found in Christ and not in your “Church” any “Church”
@CameronRiecker The church Jesus started existed before peter was even born.
Furthermore 1john3:6 tells us that anyone who sins doesn't know God or understand Him. Because all of your alleged popes,bishops,priests are all sinners then it would be impossible for them to teach about God. The same thing applies to you. You are a sinner and God says that He doesn't know you. So why decieve people and pretend you know God when you don't.
Pentecost took place long after Peter was born.
@@fantasia55Thank you for your reply but I don't see a relevance with your comment. I am assuming that you think that the church Jesus started began on Pentecost long after Peter was born. I think you are refiring to Acts. But that is not the case. The Church Jesus established was in existence long before Peter was born. The Old Testament tells us all about it. Is Jesus the head of the Church? And I don't mean catholic church. The answer is yes, He is the head of the church. Jesus is God and God has always existed. So the church that Jesus established has always existed. Furthermore the bible tells us that Christ was with people in the Old Testament, Israelites. So Christ has been with us all since the very beginning of time. Paul even talks about the church in the Old Testament.
So if you are trying to claim that Christs church was built on Peter then you don't know who Christ is. Remember Jesus Christ is God. He always existed. Christians are a part of Jesus' church which has always existed. I hope that helps.
@TheTruthsOfOurFaith Jesus established the Catholic Church at Pentecost, which occurred decades after Peter was born. He was probably in his thirties at the time.
I don't believe that any Protestants hate the Catholic Church. Maybe Pastor Billy Bob's IFB church does, but I do not. I see lots of beauty in the traditions of Catholicism, but it is accommodated by various accretions that are biblically unreconcilable. In my search, I have found that Protestantism espouses the most biblical version of Christianity. Additionally, the exclusivist ecclesiology and emphasis on works for salvation rules it out for conversion.
John MacArthur hates the Catholic Church. That will condemn him unless he repents
Yes, the very things you claim are in biblical, are.
@@tabandken8562 Marian devotion, the veneration of saints, and salvation by merit are unbiblical doctrines.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty they are sacramentals with a proven history of success
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty No they are not. There's nothing in the Bible condemning Marian devotion or generation of Saints. As for Saint devotion, Paul said to honor those whose honor is due". As for merit...
“Lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also” (Matt. 6:20-21).
Matthew 6:3 But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your alms may be done in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
18 so that your fasting may be seen not by others but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 10:41 Whoever welcomes a prophet in the name of a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward; and whoever welcomes a righteous person in the name of a righteous person will receive the reward of the righteous; 42 and whoever gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones in the name of a disciple-truly I tell you, none of these will lose their reward.”
And there's so many more.
His word is the church. You are going by your own interpretation. I never said that John McArthur is going to hell because I’m not the Lord Jesus Christ. What I said is he could be in trouble of going there if he trashes Jesus’s holy church. Nobody can say one is going to hell. Only The Lord knows what is in a man’s heart. I’m sorry if you missed understood my comment or if I offended you in any way. That is not my intention. Anyway, I hope you have a blessed day.
Great video.
Cameron, your identity is in the RCC, not Christ. I experienced regeneration a few weeks after hearing the gospel, sitting in my room all alone, thinking about John 6:29. This was about 20 years after I was “baptized” as an infant in the RCC.
Your experience was of an emotional contemplation of scripture that made you want God more, NOT regeneration, no offense but your experience doesn’t change the actual Christian doctrine of regeneration in the Bible period no exceptions no apologies.
@@KadenGreen-eg1cz Scripture takes precedence over experience.
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men.
It was not done in acts of righteousness, and was done according to His mercy, the washing and regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit. John 3:8 also applied as well, it was like the wind, we have no control over it.
Me thinking about John 6:29, was not a righteous act, it was simply something I was doing right before God did what He did.
My identity is rooted in Christ and His Church.
You cannot have the head without the body and you cannot have Christ without the Church.
matt 18. if someone in the church sins against you, go to them in private and confront them. if they don't receive you, take some other believers with you, if they refuse still to admit it and repent, then tell it to the church. the subject is someone in the assembly of believers who sins against another. the church here is the whole assembly, not a hierarchy of men in any given church. the church is never referred to as an hierarchy in the new testament.
the prime example would be in 1 cor. 5, tolerating gross sin in the church. paul tells them to wake up, and remove such a person. the church:> when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, and the power of the lord jesus christ....the whole assembly. the purpose is to clearly expose the sin to everyone, and the whole church, guided by the authority of paul in this case, as he was still a living apostle, removes the person, in hopes of the sinner finally repenting and being restored. 1 timothy 5:19-21 reproving a sinning elder.
it's about sin, not church dogma.
And there are countless leaders in the church today that need to be confronted but have not been so.
@@exzld and--acts 20:25-31 nothing new under the sun, from the get go
Follow your conscience? "The Heart of God is wicked beyond measure"
The heart of God is wicked? That doesn’t seem right.
@@CameronRiecker Oops. Obviously I meant OUR heart/conscience
Words on paper, on computers, parchments and stone. All of that can be changed, corrupted, misrepresented. People can lie, cheat, and manipulate.
I can't tell you what is true or not. I can only have faith in Christ that has given me hope.
Here you go Cameron… success but your channel will point people to the true God not by your words by the grace God that happens when the Word of God is spoken
John 3:16-18 is completely against this line of thought. Christ died for all who believe in him. This also goes against the idea of those not against us are for us. You can see this by the fruits of Protestants. You yourself quote CS Lewis regularly, yet he was outside the church, and would’ve been well informed of it. How could ignorance apply to him? The way you’ve structured your argument has positioned you to condemn all Protestants, Orthodox Christians, and any other Christian sects.
Proof texting John3:16-18 doesn’t change anything. In this day and computer age a protestant cannot be invincibly ignorant because you are only a click away from the correct answer about the Catholic Church. I will pray that you search for the truth. Jesus is the head of the body the Church, the Catholic Church. Col1:18 And Jesus is the bride groom and the Catholic Church is the bride. The two are one, “This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the church..” Eph5:21-33.
@@Spiritof76CatholicIt is sad that you believe that. It’s also dangerous. By saying that Catholicism ,NOT all followers of Christ, is the bride, you basically give assent to the crimes of the Inquisition, the Encomienda System, selling indulgences, even the cover up of the abuse of minors. The word Catholic wasn’t used by Jesus, he only used Church. He identified this as all who gather in my name I will be among them. It’s not based on the physical church, though that is important, it is based on the true Gospel of Christ. Not changed by men, but proclaimed by God.
@@Spiritof76CatholicOne verse that says there is no salvation outside of the apostolic church. After that, I will show three that way there is…at least 3.
@@CountCulture27 It’s not a matter of verse slinging. Are you invincibly ignorant? I would say no even though you believe imperfectly that Jesus is the way to salvation. However you also bare responsibility for your willful ignorance because there is no assurance of salvation. Especially not outside the Church. Jesus, and his bride the infallible Catholic Church has always taught from Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium that all people can be saved. Will they be? That’s between you and God. All that Christ and the Catholic Church can do is give us the means to get to Heaven! Try reading this article it gives a pretty good answer to the question you are asking out of your insolence and mockery not discipleship:
Is There Really “No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church?”
TIM STAPLES • 2/6/2015
What about Eastern Orthodox? Coptic? Latter Day Saint? Jehovah Witness? They all claim to be the ONE true church. Salvation is not by way of one church body. Poor argument.
Also I know it's sort of off topic, the latter day people add to the book which is wrong and made someone equal to Christ... In my opinion the door is open to any believer who is believes in Christ and what he said. So in theory I believe we would see people on the other side coming from all sorts of denominations , not to say that everyone is right, but rather as found in Luke 10:41-42
"And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her."
Do unbaptised babies go to Hell? How about unbaptised believers?
God will judge them and us.
@@CameronRiecker so God will judge unbaptized babies?? Baptism is something you should choose to do, it’s a public confession of faith, babies can’t even comprehend what’s going on. You really think God would send infants to hell?
@@chuchip9633They have original sin.
@@christsavesreadromans1096 Let God be God
It's an abomination to put the catholic church above Jesus Christ who came from above to save those from below! There's nothing apostolic about the catholic religion: opostate, yes apostolic no! Every person is free and dependent on Christ, for salvation not the catholic church! Why don't you tell people about all the priests and nuns leaving the catholic religion and turning to Christ along with so many congragents after finding out the real truth about the catholic religion?
"The time of ignorance God winked at but he now commands everyone to repent." There is no invincible ignorance, as the catholics say, in the new covenant. Theres more scripture to support my position too if u want it.
Trying to get this through the head of a Prot is like trying to get a baseball through a garden hose.
lol it can feel that way sometimes
@@CameronRiecker I'm not sure that we're meant to get through to them right away.
It seems the way it goes is that we plant the seed, they inherently reject it but then the seed grows. then they go through phases of trying to deny its truth by attacking other things, but they have now a truth that won't go away. I wonder if it's the 12 stages of grief for them.
The issue is that it is YOU who is lost. I'm actually in disbelief at how deluded you catholics are.
Right? Since it's not scriptural and all...
That is heresy to say that the only way to salvation is through the catholic church! The only way to salvation is by Grace only, through faith only, lest any one should boast! Ephesians 2:8-9 and the only one that saves is in acts4:12.
The one true church is made up of people who believe in Jesus Christ as their savior and are saved by faith alone, not by following the unbiblical works of the Catholic Church
Orthodox Teaching is the only and one and firs Truth. It is not changed at all from the beginning.
That’s not exactly true
@@paulcapaccio9905 it is. the teaching literally didn't change at all. a faith. it is like it was in the beginning. nothing is changed. here it is:
"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and its at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father; Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets.
In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."
Orthodox leaders have been chaning their doctrine for a couple hundred centuries in contradiction to their beliefs from before the schism.
Well the first sentence answers it. Limbo exists for those outside of The Church and without m0rtal s1n, but Good Luck with that.
What do you mean by limbo
@@chuchip9633 place outside of hll that isn't hll, God is not there but there is no pain.
Do you believe that Protestants are not fellow brothers and sisters in Christ?
They are united to us in a common baptism, but they lack the fulness of the faith. Calling Protestants separated brethren is completely acceptable!
@CameronRiecker they either with God or they are against Him. You cannot say they are with God, but are separated from Him. So which is it?
@@luxordfaith8506It's both.
@tabandken8562 it cannot be as you said. For it if Christ who is head of the Church, and we who are part of the Body. What is an arm when it is separated from the body? Either the Catholic church is wrong when they say they are the only true church, or they are correct. Likewise, a protestant is either with God, or he is not. He is either with the Church, or he is not. You cannot say a protestant is with God, but is denied by God. Either the protestant is saved by the grace of God, or he is not.
@@luxordfaith8506 Protestants are with God by virtue of their valid baptism. However, Protestants don't get a break. You are still required to be obedient and avoid sin, and when you do sin, confess to God. You do not have the promise Jesus gives to the Apostles, first priests of the Church, that "whatever sins you forgive are forgiven", so you don't have assurance of forgiveness of mortal sins. You do not receive the Eucharist either. You are left without saving Graces in the Sacraments of the Eucharist and Confession. So Protestants can be with God if they remain in God's kindness. Most Protestants go to Purgatory before they go to heaven. Most Catholics for that matter because most Catholics don't avail themselves to the Sacraments as they should.
The church cannot save you only Jesus can save you
Jesus instituted the Church to save us. If you want to be united to the Head you must be a part of the Body.
Prots can be saved, but they will have to accept the true faith. Not necesarily sealed at death, however. Actually if Catholics are correct, there will be more saved, than if we're not. No one in Hell yet (except Satan and the fallen Angels), as I understand it. But, no one, NO ONE comes to the Father but by Jesus. If Prots are right . . . Well, they're not.
I think in the end, we will find that Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants had some thing right and others wrong. Thank God that he gives us the grace of the simplicity of the Gospel.
@CountCulture27 yep. But Catholics (includes Orthodox) have all of essential Christian beliefs. If it turns out we had some extra stuff (it probably won't), oh well. What you do know won't hurt you
A lot of catholics seem to disagree with u. And also the real church of Christ does say salvation is only in His church and i havent heard one of the brethren say otherwise.
It doesn’t matter what a lot of Catholics think. It matters what the church officially teaches!
@@CameronRieckerexactly. And unfortunately for you, the Church teaches that there is a possibility for Protestants who follow Christ honestly and respond to Gods grace CAN be saved.
@@CameronRiecker well the church of Christ doesnt teach what u r saying. But the roman papist do.
Im wondering why is it that the so called true church has so many members that dont say and teach the same thing, in fact they teach the opposite. U act like yall r so bold but most of yalls members are weak in intelligence, faith, knowledge, and unity. That was my main point. I guess a side point would be that if they are teaching something different then why are they? Are the leaders incompetent, the church divided, or did ur tradition change?
The Carholic church and the RCC are totally different things. The RCC is the new embodiment of the Pharises.
I am glad that you are 1 million percent wrong.
I'm glad you consulted "blessed pius ix" and not scripture.
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Weak argument.
““The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.”
Matthew 23:2-3
@@HellenicPapist Are you a Jew under the law, before the cross?
@@chadmeidl1140 No, I’m a Christian under the Law of Christ.
“Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
Galatians 6:2
“And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Matthew 22:37-39
John 15:9-10,
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love.
If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love."
1 John 5:1-3,
"Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.
And his commandments are not burdensome."
Jesus says that because he died for our sins. Not the catholic sins, not the orthodox sins, not the prodistent sin, all of our sins. There for wouldnt it make sense all us christians are equally saved if we all have our sins saved
There are non-Catholic Christians who have solid faithful relationships with Christ who has the ability to save, heal, and transform their souls. They've experienced transformation in their lives already. There are Catholics who go through the motions of going to church who don't experience transformation. Joining and being a member of the Catholic Church doesn't magically heal or magically save a soul. You still need to have faith in Christ, be faithful to him, and remain under his discipleship so he can prepare the soul to receive his Spirit like he did with his disciples and apostles. He gave us an example in his Gospels how to be discipled, healed, and saved by him. Joining the Catholic Church is no guarantee this will happen to individuals who do not have faith in him and follow him. Christians outside the Catholic Church can become his faithful disciples.
However, there is no magical Protestant profession of faith that guarantees nor excludes a Christian from becoming his faithful disciple. Some Protestants think you have to believe in faith or grace alone, and anyone who believes good works are required are not saved. Other Protestants think you must believe in Christ's lordship and follow his commandments, and if you don't believe this, then you aren't saved. Both think you have to get a profession of faith just right in your head or you're not saved. What matters is being faithful to him who has the ability to disciple, heal, save, and send his Holy Spirit. The faithful soul doesn't get transformed magically by a particular profession of faith and altar call and a baptism. The faithful soul doesn't get magically transformed by joining a particular Church either.
Before there was a Church, non-Jewish people were healed and saved by their faithful encounters with Christ. There was the centurian whose faith saved his servant. There was the Syrophonecian woman whose faith saved her daughter. There was the Samaritan leper whose faith returned him to Jesus to thank him for his healing. There was the Samaritan woman at the well along with her whole village who came to believe in him. None of them needed to become Jewish first then be healed or saved. Healing and saving come from the same Greek root word sózó.
The Church has a visible body and an invisible soul. There's the Church militant and the Church triumphant. Those faithful under the discipleship of Christ who transforms, heals, and saves souls are in his Church triumphant. Transforming, healing, and saving their souls is part of his triumph. If they are still faithfully with us on earth, they are visible testimonies to his triumph in them. They are a part of the visible Church if they are a part of him. If they have departed faithful to him, their souls have become a part of the invisible soul of the Church.
The Roman Catholic Church is a large sheepfold with apostolic roots. It has sheep in it, but it also has goats in it. It has some wolves in sheep's clothing in it besides. The good shepherd calls. His sheep hear his voice and follow him to the one flock (Church Triumphant) in open pasture beside still waters. His straying sheep he catches with the hooked end of his shepherd's crook. He separates the sheep from the goats by their behavior. His sheep do well unto the least of his brethren as if they were doing unto him. The goats fail to do so. The wolves in sheep's clothing he clobbers over the head with the blunt end of his shepherd's crook and drives them away. The same goes with the Orthodox Churches which are other sheepfolds. The same goes with the Protestant churches which are other sheepfolds. All sheepfolds have his sheep, others' goats, and satan's wolves in sheep's clothing. He will sort it all out in the end. Being a member of any one Church is no guarantee of being a sheep. Being a member of another Church is no guarantee of being a goat. What matters is tuning the ear of the soul to the good shepherd's voice, following him, being discipled by him, getting healed by him which saves and prepares the soul to receive his Spirit.
Some people like to believe that their church is the one true (and infallible) church at the exclusion of others because it alleviates their anxiety about death. They can't live with uncertainty, so they fabricate a certainty. It's wishful thinking. They fear any error leads to death and damnation, so they believe their church doesn't err because they know they individually do err. They find safety in a group, under an umbrella, believing they have a safety net beneath them. The Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox do this at the exclusion of each other and at the exclusion of protestants and their churches. They unnecessarily provoke fear in each other. Someone got to be right and the other wrong. They compete, argue, and fight with each other.
Protestants have the same fears, but they believe the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches are in error, so they try to alleviate their fears by claiming the Bible is infallible and they merely have to follow the Bible. But no individual protestant, no protestant church founder, and no protestant church as a group can infallibly interpret the Bible, or all of it anyway. They can get enough of it right. They might claim their interpretations are always correct, but they are in denial. We have to face the facts. No individual and no church is omniscient without error, knowing the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There are mysteries in the faith. However, we do know enough to have faith, and we just have to trust Christ who does know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He will sort it all out in the end.
As Paul said that he and others build on the foundation which is Christ. What is built will be tested by fire. Though some of what is built will be lost, those who added will still be saved since their foundation was Christ. Christ laid the foundation. His Apostles added to it. Those who came after the Apostles added more. Not all which has been added over the centuries is Apostolic. The Gospels, Acts, and Epistles are Apostolic. They are closest to the Foundation who is Christ. They will survive the fire and even be refined by it. Our interpretations of them though still need refining. They give us added certainty, but the limited knowing capacity of our minds gives us some uncertainty. Faith that Christ won't condemn us for our ignorance makes up for our uncertainty in our mental capabilities to know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We don't know the whole truth, but we do know who does know the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Foundational faith isn't head knowledge anyway, otherwise little children with their little knowledge would not have been presented as examples of faith by Christ to his Apostles. Jesus thanked his Father that he hid things from the learned but revealed them to the simple ones. I think hell is disproportionately populated with theologians without faith and heaven is disproportionately populated with simple minded souls with faith. Paul mentioned our incomplete knowledge will pass, but faith, hope, and charity will continue to abide.
Relax. Have a little faith. Christ will sort it all out. He knows who in what churches have faithful, hopeful, charitable souls and who in what churches don't. You can't have hope without faith since faith is the assurance or under support for hope as Paul defined it. Without faith, hope is merely wishful thinking. Faith and hope in the One with the ability to save matters. He is charitable towards our ignorance and fears. He has the ability and faith provides the facility for his ability to work on and in and through us. He does the crux (Latin for cross) of the work. Our faith facilitates his work on and in and through us to produce charitable fruit which gives others hope and reinforces their faith. It's synergy. Faith is the antithesis to fear. Christ taught not to have anxiety about this life, but to have faith. That same faith can alleviate fears and uncertainties about the next life. His Father is a good father who feeds the birds of the air, who gives bread not stones, fish not serpents, and eggs not scorpions.
So, if you get to heaven and find protestants dining on bread, fish, and eggs, don't protest to God and say they don't deserve to be here. Don't be like the prodigal son's brother. Don't be like the workers in the vineyard who worked longer yet received the same pay as those who worked less. Otherwise God might tell you to take your denarius and go. St Peter isn't going to give you a pop quiz on the deposit of faith. If you get a certain percentage correct, he will let you pass. Christ will look into your soul to see if you were faithful and what few fruits you brought for the wedding feast. If clothed with the wedding garment of gratitude (eucharist) he will dine with you. The main course will be roast lamb, bread, and wine. The few figs you brought can be added to the desert tray.
There is no such thing as "Invincable ignorance"
there is, church teaches it and he described that.
I agree, “invincable” isn’t a word.
@@andrewg37 Also no such thing as The Catholic doctrine ...whether spelled correctly or not
Well, maybe those who vote for Harris could be considered that.
The Church teaches it
claim chowder
RCC are in error, but can be saved by lesser light.
The same God who founded the Catholic Church will judge us both.
@@CameronRiecker I know God personally, I am not hoping I won the right denomination lottery. Prayer is the Biblical way my dear friend and you have my prayers.
@@CameronRieckerI think you mean the same God who gave all the believers in Him the Holy Spirit will judge us all. It maybe an awkward conversation for you when He asks, “Why did you seek to limit my Grace?” If it is sincere belief, then I suggest you search the Bible to find where the authority of the Church even comes close to equalling God or where He says specifically this doctrine is true. Because, there are quite a few verses that say this doctrine is false.
If it is for views and discussion, you need to repent. Please understand, you do not owe me or anyone else any explanation. Just Him.
I don’t speak high and mighty, because I am going to have LOTS of awkward conversations with Him and not all of them were well meaning errors.
Whosoever
Roman Catholicism is completely false. I feel for people with cognitive dissonance, like in this video.
First off, if Catholicism says that only Catholics can be saved and it is claimed this makes them special a couple of things come to mind.
A. Muslims and Jehovah’s Witnesses say the same thing about their faith.
B. You are putting the creation, the church on the same level as the creator while dealing with salvation.
C. Jesus specifically in Scripture actually discounts this notion.
Mark 9
38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.
In this verse, Jesus discounts that doctrine. The Gospel is what unifies Christians, Jesus ALONE. The Bride of Christ are all that believe in him and call on his name. They are his sheep and they hear his voice. He built his Church on Peter and on Peter’s confession.
You used 18:17 to also prove your point. (Even though the context s disagreement). However, I will use verse 20 of the same book and chapter to discount the Catholic only doctrine.
20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
The simple fact is all churches who preach the Gospel are preaching Christ are the Church. Literally, nothing in Matthew discounts that. Salvation is in Christ. By the way, if you want to get technical, while we may not have “apostolic succession” we do have what the apostles sad. In Holy Scripture, it shows us their words. We are not connected to Christ by any man, or group of men. We are not connected to Christ by any institution. We are connected to Christ by Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Cameron, the time is short. The world is out of control and on the brink of what Jesus shared with John. Maybe we have a decade before it becomes very difficult to be a Christian in this part of the world. Your message isn’t unifying. I know in my personal life Roman’s 14 has given me some comfort in dealing with other Christian faiths.
If the Catholic message is that there are no other salvation than through the Catholic Church specifically, then the Church puts itself on the same level as Christ. Just, wow.
Just as there is no salvation outside of the name of Jesus, so too there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.
@@christsavesreadromans1096So, you equate Jesus the same as the Church? That their equal for salvation? That an institution run my men, that is responsible for the Spanish Inquisition, the Encomienda system, the execution of heretics (find that in the New Testament) is somehow equally responsible for a person’s salvation?
Jesus=Church?
Are you sure about that?
@@christsavesreadromans1096So, the Church is equal in saving a person to Jesus? Really? Asking for clarification as that’s what your post is implying and I do not want to misrepresent you.
@@CountCulture27 No, but Jesus only chooses those in His church to save, barring extreme circumstances.
Sorry, can’t reply directly so you may or may not see this.
Your belief that God chooses who he saves from only your Church is not found Biblically. (The Roman Catholic Church did not exist at the time, just like my church didn’t). You say, “We have apostolic succession.” We say, “We follow the words of the true apostles”. Either way, in theory we are following the same people, just differently.
Your quote also smacks of a touch of Calvinism, which is weird. It is written that “He desires all to be saved.” Not just certain ones.
Meanwhile Catholics dont know their own bible but they are the absolute chosen. OK. I rather take my gamble with Christ and not a man led organization. Aint it odd in revelation the red and gold colors were associated with evil and who loves to wear these colors? But I digress, my beef is with the roman entity.
Well, at least you are sincere. I watched the whole video and, despite the stone wall, you mean well.
The thing is, when you make the ultimatum, you make the Catholic church a cult. Without this, the Catholic church would be OK. Some strange ideas but part of the Christian community all over the world.
What saves you? In the end it will be very simple. you will be a sheep or you will be a goat. In that parable Jesus does not even allude to any church. The question is ARE YOU TRANSFORMED? Simple as that.
The passage in Matt 18, I should say something about. The context is personal offence in a LOCAL church. It has nothing to do with with accepting catholic dogma or not. You've read that into it.
Is the authority of the Catholic church valid? The evidence is not very good. We have a verse in scripture. Only 1. In only one of the Gospels. About Peter, and it can be taken in 2 ways. It can be taken that Peter was, indeed, the head of the church and given the keys. Many people at that time believed that was the case. It can also be taken as Peter being "a pebble" (as the Greek strongly suggests), an example of a person believing in Jesus (the first one to believe). And the "rock" (as the Greek strongly suggests) being a figurative rock made up of "living stones" that all have faith in Jesus. "Giving you the keys to the kingdom" could easily have been directed at the disciples as a whole, the Apostles. There was confusion about this passage in the early church and even Augustine stated that the interpretation of it should be left up to the believer.
We have the letters of Ignatius that do present a case for a connection between Peter and a line of bishops. It's quite strong but Ignatius was not an apostle. However it does point strongly to that belief system existing from the beginning in much of the early church. Other church fathers chimed in but only after about 200AD. But there were other belief-systems circulating aswell. The whole thing was in the developmental stages. This idea that "the early church was Catholic" is simply untrue. Catholicism was strong but there were a mixture of ideas in the culture.
And that's about it. There is nothing more to justify Catholicism. An ambiguous scripture and a Catholic belief-system that had taken root in the early church. After that the Catholic church continued the concept that, over time, became popes and a Magisterium and a whole organization, but without a sold connection to Peter and Jesus' pronouncement it's a questionable edifice.
My conclusion, regarding apostolic succession is "well, maybe". That's all the evidence proves. Really. I don't see enough of A "Solid rock", shall we say. Maybe a trail of stones but nothing particularly worth putting my faith in.
But I have no disrespect for Catholics. If they really believe in these things, well that is their belief system and I have no reason to try to pull it down. But it must be remembered that it is an act of faith.
Do you think Jesus is a “cult” because there’s no salvation outside of His name? Probably not, why then would you think it’s a “cultish” to believe there is no salvation outside of the visible church He founded?
Did you read what he said? The evidence is that Catholics make claims strongly that the Early Church was Catholic. He said, that the evidence proves it wasn’t fully, but eventually morphed into that.
He also said that saying you must be a part of any church to be saved sounds cultish. (Islam and JW)
The Church does not equal Jesus. You have no standing to say that as he very eloquently noted.
@@CountCulture27 What happened to everyone outside of the wedding banquet in the parable of the wedding banquet, according to scripture?
@@christsavesreadromans1096I’ll say it clearly, there is no proof that Jesus meant only Catholics. He meant all believers, that is obvious. You are skewing scripture to fit your narrative.
@@CountCulture27 Answer the question about the parable. What happened to everyone outside of the wedding banquet?
1 Peter 5:1 Peter refers to himself as an elder
"We are the one true faith" because we say so! Funny how every part of human history has a religion that makes that claim
Does it?
Polytheism generally doesnt.
@@americanpolitic1True. But JW and Islam does.
Protestant here. Whenever you see Christ referring to "the church", nearly all of our disagreements are going to stem from the fact that you claim "the church" is one institution, and Protestants believe that there are many valid institutions that make up the one church. Protestants do believe there's only one church.
6:21 That is NOT what Jesus taught. I could give you thirty different verses to the effect of "believe/follow Christ and be saved". Not "join an organization and be saved". Jesus did not call the apostles to join his organization, he called them to follow him.
8:00 So welcoming that they're barred from communion and told they'll spend an eternity apart from Christ if they don't join your organization? When I read the new testament, I read over and over that the way to heaven is to follow Christ. Never is it mentioned that I need to submit to one particular bishop who is supreme over all the others.
9:18 I appreciate the sentiment, but Protestants do have that peace. That's one of the biggest takeaways of the new testament (and especially books like 1 John) is that I don't have to stress all the time about my eternal fate. I paused the vid when you said "I want you to have a relationship..." and I thought you were going to say "with Christ". I got all prepared to respond to that, but then you said "relationship with our blessed mother". You can try to theologically justify how it's not really worship, or not prayer in quite the same way, but at the end of the day this is taking the focus off of Christ. How much prayer time do you think Roman Catholics lose with God because they're praying to Mary instead? Of course, they could just pray longer, but the boots on the ground reality is that praying to Mary takes the focus off of Christ. Confessing to a priest makes people uncomfortable going straight to God. Venerating icons of Mary takes time away from worshipping Christ.
9:36 Don't feel like you're being attacked, but join my organization or be damned. Can you put yourself in a Protestant's shoes for a second and see how this comes off as incredibly disingenuous?
14:21 Can you tell me where God gave us this law? It seems like Jesus spends a lot of time in the new testament telling us to believe and be saved, and no time telling us to submit to Peter and his successors alone. This is really strange if our salvation depends on it.
Invincible ignorance does not save this doctrine, and I'll prove it. I don't live in a remote village in Africa as you put it. I live in the United States, where I'm not formally persecuted for my religion. I have been validly baptized, I've committed to following Jesus, and I do my best to do so every day. I'm aware of the teachings of Rome, and I knowingly reject the Roman bishop's authority over me. You as a responsible Roman Catholic should tell me "Mike, even though you've made Christ the lord of your life, it's very unlikely that you'll be saved. When John wrote his first letter to give confidence of eternal life to the followers of Christ, that wasn't for you".
16:37 before I really got into theology stuff, I saw a meme of heaven where all the denominations had their own room. The joke was the Roman Catholics had their door closed, and the angel warned you not to knock because they thought they were the only ones there. I wrote it off as people being mean or uncharitable, until I learned that it was a dogma. An infallible, foundational dogma that says as the Council of Florence infallibly put it, "none who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can partake of eternal life...". I greatly appreciate the fact that you both understand and communicated this dogma correctly, I just don't know how you can be on board with it.
Jesus Christ, our God and Savior, established only One True Apostolic Church, His Catholic Church, His Bride. He gave us His Church, Clergy, Doctrine, Sacraments and Teachings; then taught and prayed everyone would belong to.
He rebuked the Pharisees and Scribes for making their own versions, like all other Christian Churches have done. Mt23:1-39, Lk 11:37-54
All other Christian Churches have rejected Gods Only One True Apostolic Catholic Church, Clergy, Doctrine, Sacraments and Teachings in favor of some heretical mens versions. They are telling God their version is better than what He established. They don’t remain in His Doctrine, even though He said if we don’t remain, we don’t have Him. He prayed for us to be His Church. 2Jn1:9, 2Thess 3:6-16, Rom16:17, Jn10:16, 17:20-26, Eph 4:4-6, Gal1:6-9, 2 Cor11:3-4 They follow a different Gospel. Gal1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:3-4
They don’t receive His Sacraments He said are required to enter Heaven.
Jn 3:5, Act 22:16, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Jn 20:21-23, Mt 18:17-18, Jn 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Eph 1:13, 2Cor 1:21-22, Mt19:4-6, Col 3:17-19, 2Cor5:20, 1:25-29, Lk22:28-32, Jm 5:16, Lk10:34 are a few pertinent verses.
Pray for world conversion to live for God in His Church, not a heretics version!
St Peter warned against discerning Scripture for yourself as it leads to your destruction. 2 Peter 3:16 Protestants have heretical men’s versions of The Holy Bible. The Catholic Church comprised & gave The Holy Bible to the world. Written in 325AD, canonized in 382AD & reaffirmed in 393AD & 397AD. Over 1500 years later, Protestants, WITHOUT GODS AUTHORITY, rewrote it, added/deleted words, verses, chapters, books and changed wording to The Holy Bible & to The Ten Commandments. Changing a word here & there can negate the meaning of Gods words. Jer 26:2, Rev 22:18-19, 2 Pet 1:20-21, 3:16
@southernlady1109 2 Peter 3:16 does not say we can't understand scripture ourselves. It says some people twist scripture which is of course absolutely true. What are you talking about that the RCC "compromised" and "gave the world the Bible"? It was not written in 325 either, most NT books were written in the first century.
I would love to read more about how Protestants changed the Bible, could you tell me what you mean when you say Protestants added and removed words?
@@mikekukovec4386The Catholic Church wrote the NT in the first century. Then the Church canonized the whole Bible during the years he mentioned.
How can you claim you believe Christ while rejecting His Church and teachings? How can you claim to follow Christ, but reject His Church? Jesus said to the Apostles, His first bishops, "he who listens to you, listens to me, he who rejects you, rejects me" and "why do you call me Lord and not do what I say?"
Ur adding a lot to the scripture. It doesn't say u have to be with the descendants of the Apostles to be saved, thats ridiculous bc people fall off and fall from heresies. Even Baptists claim to have a "blood line" going back to the 1st century christians.
There is no catholic priesthood in the bible. The bible says we are all part of a royal priesthood. And pastors are husbands of one wife, not a person who vows not to marry.
Is the Catechism "God breathed"? Or Just Scripture?
The Catechism is a work of ordinary magisterium, so not even that authoritative. Scripture and ecumenical councils are the authority.
Based alert
"there is absolutely no salvation outside of the Catholic church"--correct--"that is Catholic dogma". that is not biblical dogma/doctrine. but rather,
there is absolutely no salvation outside of jesus christ. there is no other name given by which we must be saved; not catholic, not baptist, not calvin, not luther nor any other name.
jesus is the keeper of the vinyard, he is the vine, we are the branches, we live and produce fruit by being attached to Him. those who abide in christ, are the church, universal.
originally, the meaning of catholic was "universal"--every nation, tribe people and tongue.
the gospel of our salvation thru faith in jesus christ has gone out to the whole world, there are believers, visible, everywhere. fact is, no matter what church you sit in, if you do not have the spirit of christ in you, you are not his.
I'm sorry, but you sadly deceived. You can be saved outside of the RCC.
You may want to read Revelation 17&18- Describes the RCC to a T.
Peter was NOT the first pope!
Yes non Catholics can be saved
This non Catholic has eternal life
@@TimSpangler-rd6vs yes I do
No they can’t.
@@TimSpangler-rd6vsNo you don’t, if you know about the church and reject it, you’re on your way to hell.
@@chuchip9633Not if you reject the Catholic Church.
Cameron answer to your lies!! You have dodging me…! Why? The truth should have fear in the face of a lie…
But that is why you run.. lie again a mother day
What?! You're opening sentence is false buddy and that is not Catholoc dogma 😮😮
This was defined at the council of Florence.
The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church... can have a share in life eternal...
It is defined elsewhere as well. But it certainly is a dogma that there is no salvation outside of the church.
@@CameronRiecker that would mean Bishop Barron is teaching false doctrine. What about paragraph 336-337 in the CCC? This is just bizarre to hear taught as catechism. As Catholics I've always been taught we cant know anybody's salvation this just has very protestant vibes about the whole concept.
The real question is - are Catholics saved?
Of course Catholics are Saved. Every Catholic knows that as long as he remains in a State of Grace then he will get to Heaven. And when in a State of Sin he knows that he has lost Heaven. This we know by the Sacraments of Salvation in which the Protestants deny. What's so amazing is that every single Protestant that I know denies the Sacraments as the means of receiving God's Saving Grace, and yet they cannot produce one single example of a person being saved like a Protestant anywhere in the Biblical New Covenant Church, that is by "faith alone" and without a Sacrament of the Catholic Church. Protestants believe they receive Grace the moment they first believe, and yet the Bible NEVER teaches that. Protestant doctrines NEVER save a single soul. Biblical doctrines of the Catholic Church are necessary for you to be saved. You should really pay attention to what Cameron has to say in his videos. God bless.
@@purgatorean when did Rahab become saved? When she believed or when she stopped being a prostitute?
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ Rahab was not saved until the coming of Jesus Christ.
@@purgatorean does the Bible say that?
Is Jesus not the same yesterday today and forever?In Genesis 15:6 we are told that Abraham “believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness.”
“And as soon as we heard it, our hearts melted, and there was no spirit left in any man because of you, for the Lord your God, he is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath.”
Joshua 2:11
“For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth.”
Job 19:25
And Job is not saved?
@@JC_Forum_of_Christ The Incarnate Jesus never existed before being conceived in His mother's womb. The Incarnate Jesus is the Savior of the World. "The Word became flesh".
John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man.
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me
Eph. 4:7 But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore it is said,
“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”
9 (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth?
1 Pt. 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly did not obey.....
The Apostles Creed also teaches that Jesus descended into Hell and the Church tells us why He descended into Hell:
Catechism of the Catholic Church par. 633: "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell." Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.
Before Jesus, the righteous were kept in the Bosom of Abraham waiting for Jesus to come to them, which He did after dying on the Cross.