I've had the g cloud for about 3 months and i use it so much more than my anbernic and retroid pocket 3. It's just so damn comfortable to hold and the battery lasts so long. Use it all the time to stream my PS5 and PC games. I absolutely love it!
@@Josh-bk3ptI really don't experience any lag. Granted, I don't do competitive multiplayer gaming so you're milage may vary. I'm mostly into single player action adventures. But yeah, it feels fantastic. We have a WiFi 6 network and both the PC and PS5 are on WiFi. I'm sure there'd be an improvement in performance if they were hardwired but I honestly don't notice any lag. I also stream to other devices like a brand new MacBook pro and the G Cloud still offers better performance.
I just finished building four of these as Christmas presents for my cousins TODAY and used your guides a lot. Such a coincidence to see this video on my feed as I'm wrapping them up and putting them in boxes. Thanks so much for all of your help!
I got mine for $250 and really love it. It’s fine for cloud and android gaming, but if you take the time to set it up for emulation it can’t be beat in usability. Plays everything I want, with a big screen and a low weight. Nearby Share makes transferring files to internal storage a breeze, and with the new USB C update I plan on getting a dock and consolizing it. I can’t wait!
Russ, just a quick note, you often mix up WiFi 5 vs WiFi 6, which are version numbers, calling it 5 GHz, which is the frequency of the signal. WiFi 6 still operates at 2.4 and 5 GHz, it just has some other enhancements over WiFi 5.
I don’t also think wifi 6 (or maybe even wifi 6E) would be all that beneficial for a streaming device. I could be wrong but I believe wifi 6 would mainly increase overall bandwidth throughput and not have a meaningful impact to stability and latency. Which matters a lot more for a streaming device. This device streams games a lot better than my iPhone, Apple TV and even my raspberry pi. So I think wifi 5 is more than good enough for this device
@@justconnor734 Not what I've seen others report. 6E not only goes through way higher density materials,, has better stability and 2.5ish GB/s. Vs 900mb/s. If this is accurate I can't say, but it's what other users have stated.
Which do you feel is more comfortable? And which display is better? I have the g cloud was debating getting a odin 2. Just not sure if it's really worth it. Thanks
@@jaywylie1995depends on your use case. I love the display on the G Cloud, and the display on the Odin is fantastic as well. You’re getting a 1080p panel with both, but I feel like the colors just pop on the Odin. As for comfortability, I think the G Cloud is still a more comfortable device to hold, but even though the Odin isn’t as thin it is still a very comfortable experience. If you’re wanting to do high end emulation/android gaming then Odin is totally worth it. If you’re more of a retro gamer, then the G cloud will obviously be just fine. Like I say, I still use both pretty regularly so it was worth it to me. Hopefully this helps!
$300 is a perfectly OK price for a high quality Android tablet, which is what the G Cloud is. A premium tablet is going to run $700 or more. What you're getting, in addition to build quality and ergonomics, is long term software support. Everything works out of the box, and you won't have to scrape the internet for operating system upgrades, or worry about updates bricking the system.
I also got this about a year ago and I have certainly gotten my money's worth out of it with all the GeForce Now, Xcloud, and local streaming I've been doing with it. From the screen to the ergonomics and battery life, it's such a great device, but yes I'd say it's definitely overpriced.
The G Cloud was my favorite purchase this year. Looking at the Xbox and PlayStation wrapups this past week made me realize the majority of my gaming this year was on that device. I just now picked up a Steam Deck and gave the G Cloud to my brother so he can experience how great it can be
Best retro content available, RGC is KILLING it right now. Advice is gospel imo. No other channels can even compare. Keep releasing this great contect Jeff. You must have a whole team working on this stuff theres just so much good information one human could never have the time to find it all AND make such great videos. Without your Odin 2 setup guide I never would have got it setup right, the other guides I was completely lost, with yours I kept up the whole way and got it all put together perfect. Thanks Russ!
Just got the G Cloud a few weeks ago, I can not put this device down. It's perfect for just throwing in my bag and playing on the go. I was underwhelmed by the Powkiddy x55 and this really was the perfect replacement. Even with the hiccups, emulation for GameCube PS2 and Switch work well enough for me to enjoy. Great video
The G cloud is just like nothing else for cloud gaming and local streaning. The battery life is insane and with video out ive played through bioshock infinite, project zomboid, forza horizon 5 all on my 65" living room TV flawlessly. If you get a USB C hub that takes an HDMI and ethernet, both will still work. With that combo i can set moonlight to 4k 60FPS, 150Mbit bandwidth and it works just amazing. Always great to take PC or Xbox games around the house too instead of being stuck on the couch or at my desk.
This was an amazing review. I was on the fence about getting but after this review I now believe this is a device I would for so many retro JRPGs. You've got a new fan of the channel!
I have about a dozen of these devices and the G Cloud is my favorite. Mostly because of the flexibility. Everything mentioned in this vid, PLUS...a ton of of music and videos too. When I hop on a plane or train, this is the first thing I grab. 1 tb microsd and you are set for days.
I love the fact this sucker has such great battery life. I left this alone for like a week, just picked it up, and I still have 40% battery left. The fact this now has USB-C out is a game changer for me. I'll slap on my xreal glasses and bam! Streaming games on a 'big' screen. What a world we live in, right?
I forgot the price this thing goes for😬 it's definitely stuck in the past. It needs another direct cloud play competitor. On another note, I know you're one of the few people who have the Ally Z1. I would like to see a budget pc handheld comparison between the LCD deck and that thing. They've both received price cuts, which I think warrants another look at the niche they fill.
I am so happy that you made this video! A lot of these have been reduced in price if you buy it used/refurbished. I think they definitely serve a purpose. Another great video!
They're being reduced in price because it's garbage! Nobody wants them, at least true hardcore gamers, who wants to own and play their games offline. Do you own one of these? I bet you don't.
@@redcrimson1028 Imagine if they put like a snapdragon 865 in them. Doesn't need to be flagship but come on make it able to run clash of clans at least 😭.
This is by far my favorite device. I use it primarily for remote play with my ps5 (have newborn baby and we are avoiding using the tv that much). I paid 250$ for it on ebay in June and have zero regrets. I have a lot of devices but I have been using mostly the Logitech G cloud at home and a Retroid Pocket 2S for more portable playthroughs for games below ps1.
Finally some love for G Cloud! I miss mine sometimes, gave it to my son as an early Christmas present when I bought a ROG Ally on black Friday. The custom background update was needed as well. If you could take the Ally Chip put it in the G Cloud with exactly the same UI plus windows games, that's my dream device!
I'm not in the cloud gaming handheld market personally, but with not really being known for this type of device and the retrospective of other cloud devices being recently released. Its worth saying Logitech really did well on this product and deserve some props.
ALSO - for YUZU - use the default system driver, not any Turnip drivers and many games are playable: Streets of Rage 4, Huntdown, Blasphemous II, Final Fantasy Pixel Master, etc. Once I used default, it solved the issue where games would quit immediately
I got this for $180 on marketplace with a screen protector, case and box. Still new and best purchase I’ve made in a while. I’ve had all the handheld pc’s from the oneXplayers, aya neos, both steam decks and ally & legion. With great internet the 1080p res, and comfortability is great. Sure the chip set is older for roms etc, but most of your power is from the cloud. So technically you have all the power you need from the cloud. Using Gforce now or moonlight, you get best graphics and near native res. Only thing I wish handhelds could get right is proper analog deadzones and dpads.
Great to see an updated look! I bought one earlier this year and absolutely love it, mostly for local streaming but some cloud stuff here and there. It's so damn comfortable and it's the only device I own that I don't get some sort of hand cramps after prolonged usage. Video Out update is so wonderful too!
@@gabrielpichardo5865 not on local or game pass streaming for some reason, or GeForce Now… but it works on Moonlight/Sunshine with local PC streaming! Really bizarre
I love my G Cloud. Find myself playing it more than my PS5 or XBSX. I wanted a device where I could stream GFN. GFN ultimate tier is God. I’m not one for local games on a handheld that only last 2-4hrs, tinkering with settings just to get low-med graphics and a hot loud brick. The G Cloud is a premium tablet in my opinion. The IPS screen is amazing and the feel of the device is top notch. Who doesn’t have fast internet these days lol. G Cloud is an amazing device so far. While Steam and ROG ppl play at low to medium settings, I’m on GFN maxed out settings. Say what you want.
Lightweight, great battery life, and very comfortable to hold. Combined with a large quality screen and fairly quiet buttons, makes it a winner in this household. 👍
I am going broke collecting all those consoles thanks to you. Whatever those companies are paying you, you deserve more ! You are doing your job way too good ! Thank you !
I really appreciate these long term use follow up re-reviews. Wish you had time to do more of them. Is there any way to mod the D-pad for better diagonals?
There is a guy on the Logitech gcloud reddit forums that took a Switch d pad replacement kit, and literally taped it on to the logitech d pad. He swears up an down its a game changer for him. I play mostly rpgs ulated and streaming so dont see the dpad issues myself.
Format the SD Card inside the G Cloud and transfer games with it connected to the PC, it will let you transfer files bigger than 4gb, it's only an issue if you use the SD Card on another device but they're cheap, just buy one solely for the G Cloud.
I literally just got an open box G Cloud from ebay yesterday. I'm not disappointed. The control on screen mapping is actually pretty good. Playing an android device with an attached controller makes it feel like an android gaming console, which is a feeling you definitely don't get from adding an accessory controller to your phone.
@@DrMario_666 You do realize this thing actually can play games natively right It is running a full Android OS and can do emulation pretty decently actually along with Android games
I've had mine for a year as well and absolutely love it. I sold my RP3+ and odin lite once I tried the g-cloud. It's funny because I rarely emulate with it but I play xbox gamepass on it exclusively. I love this screen size. Long term I'd love something this size with this comfort, fix the buttons and d-pad, boost the WiFi and use the chip from the odin 2 and then it'd be perfect.
I own a G Cloud that I use specifically for GBA games. Smaller handhelds are tough to see for me, but the larger screen makes those games much more tolerable, and the ergonomics matter more to me than performance. Besides, if I want to play super demanding consoles like PS2, I don't think there's a single handheld out today that really fits my pick-up-and-play mentality with these older games. Also, they tend to be slower, longer games, not well suited for playing on the go, so better to play on a real console or PC and get a perfect experience, than use a handheld and get a hampered experience with the convenience of playing on-the-go, when generally, if I'm on-the-go, I'm probably too busy to game anyway. G cloud is nice middle ground for playing in bed or something, where the portability is less important, but the ergonomics and battery life make it very nice.
Got mine on a cyber-Monday sale for $200. Had weird compatibility issues with Steam Link. That said, with Shadow PC and PS4 Pro, using the apropos apps have made it an absolute godsend. Also a great extension of my GPD Win 4, when I want to hold something lighter and play with a larger screen around the house. While I do wish the chipset was more powerful, that’s really elementary compared to what I use it for.
I still love mine. Been using it to its full potential. I emulate my favorite Castlevanias on it. I also like being able to play stream my PC to it while I sit on the couch. Its a small thing, but sometimes I just like to be able to have the experience as a handheld while sitting and "just being" with my wife in the same room while she crochets or reads a book. Its great for those little moments of "lets just enjoy being together doing our own thing" moments. If I want more emulation power, I have my PC for that. I don't like playing massive AAA games on the go anyway, so something easy like Celeste, or a metroidvania is all I really want or need. Thanks for all you do Russ! I wouldn't have gotten into emulation like I am now were it not for your fantastic videos.
I love mine, I too have the AyaNeo multidock and being able to use it on the big screen with Ethernet takes game streaming to the next level with hardly any connection issues. It's also one of the easiest Android based handhelds to setup. On the Adroid side still one of my favs. But price is still way too high!
So pleased to see you re-reviewed the device. I bought it 6 months after your initial video and always wondered about your take on it post-updates. Now I know. 😁 My one question remains on the FAT32 limitation. Yes, it's disappointing, but you can circumvent that limitation by formatting the SD card as internal storage. Now this makes transfers a lot slower as you've pointed out elsewhere and you can't move your SD out of the slot without re-formatting it. But if the only negative is the transfer speed, then that's a one-shot issue, right? Once it's on the SD card, it doesn't matter. It works like it always would, fast as it always would have been. I guess I'm wondering why that makes FAT32 such a big deal. Does everyone move the SD cards around a lot?
I just don't understand why so many manufacturers keep making devices with this limitation! It's not like the G Cloud is using some prehistoric version of Android or anything!
Been waiting for this video to find out if the Logitech G Cloud is more worth it and improved! So glad to see Russ covering this I was worried the G Cloud would have fallen out of the discussion
I tried it out for a couple days. I liked the screen, pictures and controls. The streaming was hit and miss for me though. Great when it was working but dealt with some lag with cloud and remote play. I thought I had decent internet too. So I returned it. Made me appreciate the console more. This has potential
I like the new reviews and the re-reviews for the Logitech G-Cloud that are currently happening. People are really finally understanding what a great device it really is. Ergonomics, battery life and its cloud gaming capabilities are unmatched. Remember, emulation was never advertised for this product so that is just a bonus. Pairing the Logitech G-Cloud with Geforce Now Ultimate leads to gaming performance that no handheld windows device can match. If you're a cloud gaming enthusiast like me, this is a must buy and worth it's price. I play my Logitech G-Cloud and Razer Edge 5G way more than my Steam Deck. They are superior portable experiences and excel in their intended designed purposes imho. Meanwhile, the Steam Deck is kinda cool but mostly cumbersome in all aspects.
I’m in the same position as you Russ . Bought it at full price , even if I had a steamdeck and still don’t regret it. My psp and ps2 backlog is now melting a bit. I didn’t know about the video output update, thanks for that. Great video as always !
This device is underrated. I actually really enjoyed it. Android and native controller support for the play store dames being spotty at best is why I moved on. Emulation best though. I was able to get path of Neo working.
I got a g cloud for $160, open box from eBay earlier this year. Loved it, but then got a ROG Ally, Odin 2, and RGB30. So, I haven’t had much of a reason to pick it up.
Its a great device, I snagged a open box on ebay for $250. I have been using moonlight and sunshine to play ps2, ps3, gamecube, wii, and even Wii U with motion controls for BOTW. Its wild and has me rethinking about selling my the rog ally and just using the Logitech G Cloud.
I keep saying it. For the price you can have an Android device and a Windows machine as well and then you look at the price of the Ally. Especially if you can get this for $200 open box/refurbished.
I actually just sold my Rog Ally and bought this new off FB marketplace for 180. I'm now trying to figure out how to use emulators how you have it set up. Any advice?
It is nice to know that it's really good for Emulation for the Xbox Gamepass app. I don't play much games but I just moved recently. I am still looking for that kind of Dock experience but with this kind of battery life that I can put in my living room. I am debating on whether to set up my switch or waiting for something to play some animal crossing and pokemon lol I do miss those Gamecube games and things like Sea of Stars seem really interesting.
yeah, just ordered an Odin 2. it's my first ever handheld anything. I like the idea of this more than the Odin 2 because of the screen size and ergonomics, but it's soooo much less powerful and has just 25% of the storage! so if Logitech comes out with a new version that has a top-end chip I might jump at it...
@@exerblank I'm using NVIDIA to play it through my Steam library. I actually started to play it portably through my Galaxy at first, then bought the Logitech specifically because the text was too small. The text reads super well now for me, but that's going to definitely vary from person to person. Screen is beautiful.
199$ and we can talk. But I give them props for making sure the device is actually comfortable in hands, that should be NUMBER 1 priority of all these devices, but somehow they usually put that at last place :/ I don't care if a device can perform well if it makes my hands hurt lol
I paid the old man tax to get my Cloud. I got it on sale for $300.00 about a year ago. For me it's the screen! I just can't see small screens that well anymore, hence the old man tax. It was worth it to me to pay more for a device I can actually use. The Retroid 4 is probably going to be a great device but I won't ever be able to comfortably play it. I like the fact that there are so many choices on the market. The Cloud fit my use case the best, even at the $300.00 price.
ha I'm not even (that) old yet, but I agree. I can't do these tiny screen devices. I also just use mine around the house, so portability doesn't matter to me.
My powkiddy X16, Family Pocket FC 3000 and my modded Retro FC plus and Razer KISHI have been doing nothing but sitting and collecting dust since i got my G Cloud. I do really use my xbox much anymore since getting my G cloud. I can literally do everything on my G Cloud. Literally goes everywhere with me.
Really appreciate the breakdown. I picked one up mostly because I wanted something bigger for emulation in one place than all the numerous devices I aquired. Don't like the fact that it's android but with the price point, I really like it. An ROG for me would be just too much for what I need.
Tried one at a Best Buy, form factor was instantly one of the best for any handheld I've used. Controls all felt really good, and general build quality felt top notch. Those specs at that price though... and it hasn't gone down at all. $150 devices are surpassing its power, and why wouldn't you save an extra hundred for a Deck? It'd be a braindead move to grab this over Steam Deck. I've still not seen any significant price drops from any retailers, and it's ridiculous they'd expect you to spend so much on so little. Would've been a great device given proper specs and pricing- like a competitor to the Odin for those who prefer Android. I know it's not marketed as an emulation or native-game system, but it's idiotic of them to ignore the definite emulation community and high end Android players. Nobody will genuinely want this, it's just appealing for those of us who enjoy looking at different hardware. Not worth it.
I got mine for $199 used and its great. The battery life is excellent. I will say it's been largely replaced by the ROG Ally but if your use case is just Moonlight/Local game streaming and emulation then its a really comfortable device that's great to use. The yellow under the joysticks is really ugly though.
Good review! Yeah, the Logitech G Cloud doesn't seem too bad at all if you can snag it on sale. I've seen it on sale at various stores. I don't remember seeing a setup guide for the Logitech G Cloud on Retro Corps. I might have missed it, though. Though, I'm guessing you would set it up like any other Android device.
When I've been home, I've actually been using my G Cloud more than my Steam Deck lately. The emulation is easier as I just switch between apps. For Game Pass and Geforce Now, I get better quality and performance than I do on my Deck. Then I also have Android games on it, it's lighter, and the battery lasts much longer. That price is terrible though, I got it on sale for $299 and I had a $50 Best Buy gift card that I was given, getting it down to $250 out of pocket. I think that $199-$250 is definitely the sweet spot in pricing. As for travel though, I still prefer my Deck since WiFi will likely be iffy in a hotel.
I love love LOVE The Logitech G Cloud! I agree, it's a little pricey, but it's so dang comfy. Logitech nailed the ergonomics, and the screen looks amazing.
It was on sale for $300 CAD ($224 USD) in Canada and I picked one up and love it. I feel like the use case for this thing should really be much more targeted for streaming than emulation but the video really focuses mostly on emulation.
I don't know if you dit it already but it'd be interessting if you make an Excell file for all the handheld consoles with some specs and rating for different emulated systems.
I have one and quite like it for retro emulation, not to mention having it on my desk playing PlutoTV or another streaming service as it's sound is really decent
Finally bought one tho it's wayyy to pricey. 200 would be ideal. Also, I've been cloud gaming on my rg556 and it's been really fun albeit small screen for modern games but perfect for retro gba games. Beautiful screen for sea of stars 😊. Great videos and reviews as always, thanks man!
Picked one up for 200 used like new with screen protector and case,, Love it for my use. The comfort and screen is top notch and would like to see Logi make a new one with better chip...
I have one. I bought it because I was a dumbass and didn't take the Chinese brands seriously. I was just getting into these retro handhelds back then. A miyoo and an anbernic later, I was wrong. To be fair, while the device is a bad value proposition, it's still a good enough gaming device that I've played a lot in the past year. In a way, your experience mirrors my own. I mostly used my pc to remote play titles. And the battery life was very helpful. Would I buy it again? Nope. Do I regret buying it? Not at all.
I picked one up last year second-hand for $200 and I agree with you that should definitely be where it retails. But compared to other devices I've used like my own switch lite, or tried like my friends RP2, the Cloud is WAY more comfortable to game on. I still haven't gotten very far into retro gaming/emulation. I have been playing some Zelda OoT, but otherwise I've been happily playing Deadcells and Stardew Vally on the Cloud without need for much else. I've also streamed a few games to it from my PC like Ori and the blind forest pretty seamlessly/easily. I would like to try other games like Destiny 2 or No Mans Sky but either I am too used to keyboard and mouse or not setting up some of the function/menu buttons properly for some of those. Similarly with some emulation I've tried I feel like buttons aren't right or I'm forgetting which button is mapped to where. I probably just need to sit down with it more. Overall I love the device itself. Oh and also the video out; I do like that option now but I was having some scaling/resolution issues specifically with my Samsung Frame TV that I hooked it up to. I need to try again but the one time I tried it was displaying badly on the TV for some reason and I couldn't get it to correct. I think if I hook it straight up to a monitor it does fine though.
I got mine for $200 on ebay a couple on months back and it's still an amazing device, $200 is the sweet spot in my opinion, it goes for that and sometimes less on ebay.
When talking about the price and comparing it to the usual China suspects, people seem to forget 2 things both of which cost money: - VAT / sales tax - Support and updates The China gadgets are usually grey imports (at least in the EU) so you skip paying for VAT and import tax. Also you can forget about Android updates and support in case something goes wrong.
I really don't like the fact that the retro emulators are NOT preloaded on this thing, and that you have to buy them online or pay a monthly subscription fee just in order to play games that you already physically own... Just a SCAM and a SHAM, through and through! 😤
Had mine since June I absolutely love it ….I use to carry it around with me all the time tho to the point where I would drop it And die inside every time I hear the plastic shell hit the ground 😢lol but after I got my rg405V I now leave my Gcloud at home where it’s safe and away from my clumsy ass and buttery fingers
Just picked one up after watching this video and seeing there’s an app that lets you remote play Xbox Series. Loving it so far and it remote plays great. Trying to figure out emulation and using your guides and it’s awesome.
I've been using an odin for about a year now for game streaming and game pass but im thinking of making the switch.... this screen size and ergonomics seem like a such a sell
I admit I was a hater but when the price dropped to $225 refurb I took a chance almost 9 months ago. It is a very good handheld and probably the comfiest I've used. It's light, very ergonomic. Only downside is the dpad.
I like that you occasionally return to older products, given that software amd firmware updates can change a lot about the experience since launch.
I just purchased a G Cloud seeing that it was $200 on ebay. So excited to stream my xbox and emulate some retro games. Great re-review!
I've had the g cloud for about 3 months and i use it so much more than my anbernic and retroid pocket 3. It's just so damn comfortable to hold and the battery lasts so long. Use it all the time to stream my PS5 and PC games. I absolutely love it!
is steaming smooth? any lag?
Logitech makes or had made game controllers, they understand ergonomics.
The others largely don't they had to hire in-house or contract that work out.
@@Josh-bk3pt why would there be lag?
@@dj4monie Anytime you're streaming to a device there is a chance for lag... depends on the device, internet speed and network.
@@Josh-bk3ptI really don't experience any lag. Granted, I don't do competitive multiplayer gaming so you're milage may vary. I'm mostly into single player action adventures. But yeah, it feels fantastic. We have a WiFi 6 network and both the PC and PS5 are on WiFi. I'm sure there'd be an improvement in performance if they were hardwired but I honestly don't notice any lag. I also stream to other devices like a brand new MacBook pro and the G Cloud still offers better performance.
Wow what timing, it’s on sale refurbished for $180 in the US. Finally picked one up!
I just finished building four of these as Christmas presents for my cousins TODAY and used your guides a lot. Such a coincidence to see this video on my feed as I'm wrapping them up and putting them in boxes. Thanks so much for all of your help!
Cousin of the year ward goes to, this person. Your such a sweetie
hey i'm your cousin too 😆
@@yahyawinata287yeah where can I sign up to be related to this person 😂
What is there to build!?!?
@@yaboirairai I’m sure they mean figuratively “build.” Aka setup. Aka, installing BIOS, ROMs, etc.
Not literally building the machine.
I got mine for $250 and really love it. It’s fine for cloud and android gaming, but if you take the time to set it up for emulation it can’t be beat in usability. Plays everything I want, with a big screen and a low weight. Nearby Share makes transferring files to internal storage a breeze, and with the new USB C update I plan on getting a dock and consolizing it. I can’t wait!
Can you play simpsons hit and run on this ?
Russ, just a quick note, you often mix up WiFi 5 vs WiFi 6, which are version numbers, calling it 5 GHz, which is the frequency of the signal. WiFi 6 still operates at 2.4 and 5 GHz, it just has some other enhancements over WiFi 5.
Exactly and 6E is the actual 6GHz one
I don’t also think wifi 6 (or maybe even wifi 6E) would be all that beneficial for a streaming device. I could be wrong but I believe wifi 6 would mainly increase overall bandwidth throughput and not have a meaningful impact to stability and latency. Which matters a lot more for a streaming device. This device streams games a lot better than my iPhone, Apple TV and even my raspberry pi. So I think wifi 5 is more than good enough for this device
This.
@@justconnor734 Not what I've seen others report. 6E not only goes through way higher density materials,, has better stability and 2.5ish GB/s. Vs 900mb/s. If this is accurate I can't say, but it's what other users have stated.
I bought one at $300, and it is still one of my favorite devices. My Odin 2 pro has kinda taken over for now, but I still love my G Cloud!
Which do you feel is more comfortable? And which display is better? I have the g cloud was debating getting a odin 2. Just not sure if it's really worth it. Thanks
@@jaywylie1995depends on your use case. I love the display on the G Cloud, and the display on the Odin is fantastic as well. You’re getting a 1080p panel with both, but I feel like the colors just pop on the Odin. As for comfortability, I think the G Cloud is still a more comfortable device to hold, but even though the Odin isn’t as thin it is still a very comfortable experience. If you’re wanting to do high end emulation/android gaming then Odin is totally worth it. If you’re more of a retro gamer, then the G cloud will obviously be just fine. Like I say, I still use both pretty regularly so it was worth it to me. Hopefully this helps!
$300 is a perfectly OK price for a high quality Android tablet, which is what the G Cloud is. A premium tablet is going to run $700 or more.
What you're getting, in addition to build quality and ergonomics, is long term software support. Everything works out of the box, and you won't have to scrape the internet for operating system upgrades, or worry about updates bricking the system.
I also got this about a year ago and I have certainly gotten my money's worth out of it with all the GeForce Now, Xcloud, and local streaming I've been doing with it. From the screen to the ergonomics and battery life, it's such a great device, but yes I'd say it's definitely overpriced.
The G Cloud was my favorite purchase this year. Looking at the Xbox and PlayStation wrapups this past week made me realize the majority of my gaming this year was on that device. I just now picked up a Steam Deck and gave the G Cloud to my brother so he can experience how great it can be
That was really nice of you. :)
Nice.I just gave my twin brother my steam deck when I got my GPD win 4. Good form
Are you able to play world of warships on the g cloud
Having tried three different units myself, I can definitely say the effectiveness of the d-pad diagonals vary per unit.
The fact that RGC uses this handheld when he has everything else says everything you need to know about the gcloud.
Who Dat? Lol
Lol right. I'm tryna figure that out myself
I got mine yesterday used for 120 haven’t put it down emulation on it has been so fun
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$120!!?! Damn… 😮 nice one!
Best retro content available, RGC is KILLING it right now. Advice is gospel imo. No other channels can even compare. Keep releasing this great contect Jeff. You must have a whole team working on this stuff theres just so much good information one human could never have the time to find it all AND make such great videos. Without your Odin 2 setup guide I never would have got it setup right, the other guides I was completely lost, with yours I kept up the whole way and got it all put together perfect. Thanks Russ!
I’m pretty sure Russ does his own editing. Maybe in the future he’ll get more help from his nephew
Just got the G Cloud a few weeks ago, I can not put this device down. It's perfect for just throwing in my bag and playing on the go. I was underwhelmed by the Powkiddy x55 and this really was the perfect replacement. Even with the hiccups, emulation for GameCube PS2 and Switch work well enough for me to enjoy. Great video
Happy to hear you are enjoying it!
The G cloud is just like nothing else for cloud gaming and local streaning. The battery life is insane and with video out ive played through bioshock infinite, project zomboid, forza horizon 5 all on my 65" living room TV flawlessly. If you get a USB C hub that takes an HDMI and ethernet, both will still work. With that combo i can set moonlight to 4k 60FPS, 150Mbit bandwidth and it works just amazing. Always great to take PC or Xbox games around the house too instead of being stuck on the couch or at my desk.
I got one and use it exclusively for PS5 remote play, and it has been worth every penny
This was an amazing review. I was on the fence about getting but after this review I now believe this is a device I would for so many retro JRPGs. You've got a new fan of the channel!
I have about a dozen of these devices and the G Cloud is my favorite. Mostly because of the flexibility. Everything mentioned in this vid, PLUS...a ton of of music and videos too. When I hop on a plane or train, this is the first thing I grab. 1 tb microsd and you are set for days.
I love the fact this sucker has such great battery life. I left this alone for like a week, just picked it up, and I still have 40% battery left. The fact this now has USB-C out is a game changer for me. I'll slap on my xreal glasses and bam! Streaming games on a 'big' screen.
What a world we live in, right?
Yes very much so. The glasses are a game changer.
I forgot the price this thing goes for😬 it's definitely stuck in the past. It needs another direct cloud play competitor.
On another note, I know you're one of the few people who have the Ally Z1. I would like to see a budget pc handheld comparison between the LCD deck and that thing. They've both received price cuts, which I think warrants another look at the niche they fill.
Throw in the AYN Loki too while you're at it! It's so cheap for a Windows handheld!!
Wi-Fi 5 and not 6 for $300 is wildddddd
I am so happy that you made this video! A lot of these have been reduced in price if you buy it used/refurbished. I think they definitely serve a purpose. Another great video!
They're being reduced in price because it's garbage! Nobody wants them, at least true hardcore gamers, who wants to own and play their games offline. Do you own one of these? I bet you don't.
@@redcrimson1028 Imagine if they put like a snapdragon 865 in them. Doesn't need to be flagship but come on make it able to run clash of clans at least 😭.
@@redcrimson1028 Nice TRUE HARDCORE GATEKEEPING. Get a life.
Just ordered one open box for $200 the other day. You can definitely get them cheap.
@@IceYetiWinsat $200 I find it sensible
I loved this for the past year thanks for re-visiting - i never knew video out was added!!!!
Bought this about 8 months ago and I still love this thing. Honestly for what I use it for it’s my favorite handheld
This is by far my favorite device. I use it primarily for remote play with my ps5 (have newborn baby and we are avoiding using the tv that much). I paid 250$ for it on ebay in June and have zero regrets. I have a lot of devices but I have been using mostly the Logitech G cloud at home and a Retroid Pocket 2S for more portable playthroughs for games below ps1.
Finally some love for G Cloud! I miss mine sometimes, gave it to my son as an early Christmas present when I bought a ROG Ally on black Friday. The custom background update was needed as well. If you could take the Ally Chip put it in the G Cloud with exactly the same UI plus windows games, that's my dream device!
That would make it as thick as a ROG Ally. 😂😂😂
This is a thin device because of the ARM processor.
I'm not in the cloud gaming handheld market personally, but with not really being known for this type of device and the retrospective of other cloud devices being recently released. Its worth saying Logitech really did well on this product and deserve some props.
ALSO - for YUZU - use the default system driver, not any Turnip drivers and many games are playable: Streets of Rage 4, Huntdown, Blasphemous II, Final Fantasy Pixel Master, etc. Once I used default, it solved the issue where games would quit immediately
This. Thank you. Are you using the free version or are you paying for the early version?
Can't wait for the price on this to get slashed once its successor comes out. The build quality looks so good.
I got this for $180 on marketplace with a screen protector, case and box. Still new and best purchase I’ve made in a while. I’ve had all the handheld pc’s from the oneXplayers, aya neos, both steam decks and ally & legion.
With great internet the 1080p res, and comfortability is great.
Sure the chip set is older for roms etc, but most of your power is from the cloud. So technically you have all the power you need from the cloud. Using Gforce now or moonlight, you get best graphics and near native res. Only thing I wish handhelds could get right is proper analog deadzones and dpads.
Great to see an updated look! I bought one earlier this year and absolutely love it, mostly for local streaming but some cloud stuff here and there. It's so damn comfortable and it's the only device I own that I don't get some sort of hand cramps after prolonged usage. Video Out update is so wonderful too!
Hey! 😊 Do you have rumble while streaming. I don’t know how to have rumble on gameplay and it’s driving me nuts hahaha
@@gabrielpichardo5865 not on local or game pass streaming for some reason, or GeForce Now… but it works on Moonlight/Sunshine with local PC streaming! Really bizarre
I love my G Cloud. Find myself playing it more than my PS5 or XBSX. I wanted a device where I could stream GFN. GFN ultimate tier is God.
I’m not one for local games on a handheld that only last 2-4hrs, tinkering with settings just to get low-med graphics and a hot loud brick.
The G Cloud is a premium tablet in my opinion. The IPS screen is amazing and the feel of the device is top notch.
Who doesn’t have fast internet these days lol. G Cloud is an amazing device so far.
While Steam and ROG ppl play at low to medium settings, I’m on GFN maxed out settings.
Say what you want.
Lightweight, great battery life, and very comfortable to hold. Combined with a large quality screen and fairly quiet buttons, makes it a winner in this household. 👍
Picked one up off ebay for $201 and I think for that price point it's pretty solid.
I am going broke collecting all those consoles thanks to you.
Whatever those companies are paying you, you deserve more !
You are doing your job way too good !
Thank you !
I really appreciate these long term use follow up re-reviews. Wish you had time to do more of them. Is there any way to mod the D-pad for better diagonals?
There is a guy on the Logitech gcloud reddit forums that took a Switch d pad replacement kit, and literally taped it on to the logitech d pad. He swears up an down its a game changer for him. I play mostly rpgs ulated and streaming so dont see the dpad issues myself.
Format the SD Card inside the G Cloud and transfer games with it connected to the PC, it will let you transfer files bigger than 4gb, it's only an issue if you use the SD Card on another device but they're cheap, just buy one solely for the G Cloud.
I literally just got an open box G Cloud from ebay yesterday. I'm not disappointed. The control on screen mapping is actually pretty good. Playing an android device with an attached controller makes it feel like an android gaming console, which is a feeling you definitely don't get from adding an accessory controller to your phone.
Hope you have some sort of other handheld to play when you don’t have perfectly stable internet available
@@DrMario_666 You do realize this thing actually can play games natively right It is running a full Android OS and can do emulation pretty decently actually along with Android games
For the price I'd rather get an Odin 2 which is also an Android handheld device
Good Video as always Russ only mistake to correct is the comparison to PS Portal the Portal is a 8" 1080P not 7" like the G Cloud
I've had mine for a year as well and absolutely love it. I sold my RP3+ and odin lite once I tried the g-cloud. It's funny because I rarely emulate with it but I play xbox gamepass on it exclusively. I love this screen size. Long term I'd love something this size with this comfort, fix the buttons and d-pad, boost the WiFi and use the chip from the odin 2 and then it'd be perfect.
You and this small channel called famouskidvgi have gotten me back into retro gaming fr
I own a G Cloud that I use specifically for GBA games. Smaller handhelds are tough to see for me, but the larger screen makes those games much more tolerable, and the ergonomics matter more to me than performance. Besides, if I want to play super demanding consoles like PS2, I don't think there's a single handheld out today that really fits my pick-up-and-play mentality with these older games. Also, they tend to be slower, longer games, not well suited for playing on the go, so better to play on a real console or PC and get a perfect experience, than use a handheld and get a hampered experience with the convenience of playing on-the-go, when generally, if I'm on-the-go, I'm probably too busy to game anyway. G cloud is nice middle ground for playing in bed or something, where the portability is less important, but the ergonomics and battery life make it very nice.
Got mine on a cyber-Monday sale for $200. Had weird compatibility issues with Steam Link. That said, with Shadow PC and PS4 Pro, using the apropos apps have made it an absolute godsend. Also a great extension of my GPD Win 4, when I want to hold something lighter and play with a larger screen around the house. While I do wish the chipset was more powerful, that’s really elementary compared to what I use it for.
Personally, Sunshine+Moonlight does a better job than Steam Link.
I still love mine. Been using it to its full potential. I emulate my favorite Castlevanias on it. I also like being able to play stream my PC to it while I sit on the couch. Its a small thing, but sometimes I just like to be able to have the experience as a handheld while sitting and "just being" with my wife in the same room while she crochets or reads a book. Its great for those little moments of "lets just enjoy being together doing our own thing" moments. If I want more emulation power, I have my PC for that. I don't like playing massive AAA games on the go anyway, so something easy like Celeste, or a metroidvania is all I really want or need. Thanks for all you do Russ! I wouldn't have gotten into emulation like I am now were it not for your fantastic videos.
Yes! "Lets just enjoy being together doing our own thing." I love this sentiment, and my wife and I do the same.
I love mine, I too have the AyaNeo multidock and being able to use it on the big screen with Ethernet takes game streaming to the next level with hardly any connection issues. It's also one of the easiest Android based handhelds to setup. On the Adroid side still one of my favs. But price is still way too high!
Thanks for the video. It was awesome. I just bought one after a long year of waffling. I haven't used it a lot yet, but so far I'm super impressed.
So pleased to see you re-reviewed the device. I bought it 6 months after your initial video and always wondered about your take on it post-updates. Now I know. 😁 My one question remains on the FAT32 limitation. Yes, it's disappointing, but you can circumvent that limitation by formatting the SD card as internal storage. Now this makes transfers a lot slower as you've pointed out elsewhere and you can't move your SD out of the slot without re-formatting it. But if the only negative is the transfer speed, then that's a one-shot issue, right? Once it's on the SD card, it doesn't matter. It works like it always would, fast as it always would have been. I guess I'm wondering why that makes FAT32 such a big deal. Does everyone move the SD cards around a lot?
What about chd file compression instead?
I just don't understand why so many manufacturers keep making devices with this limitation! It's not like the G Cloud is using some prehistoric version of Android or anything!
Good to know the limit can be circumvented, but actually I don't think there were many use cases I will need files bigger than 4GB on this device.
I would like to hear about the ergonomics directly compared to the odin series which seem to give a lot more bang for buck
Been waiting for this video to find out if the Logitech G Cloud is more worth it and improved! So glad to see Russ covering this I was worried the G Cloud would have fallen out of the discussion
I use it every single day. Love it.
I tried it out for a couple days. I liked the screen, pictures and controls. The streaming was hit and miss for me though. Great when it was working but dealt with some lag with cloud and remote play. I thought I had decent internet too. So I returned it. Made me appreciate the console more. This has potential
I like the new reviews and the re-reviews for the Logitech G-Cloud that are currently happening. People are really finally understanding what a great device it really is. Ergonomics, battery life and its cloud gaming capabilities are unmatched. Remember, emulation was never advertised for this product so that is just a bonus. Pairing the Logitech G-Cloud with Geforce Now Ultimate leads to gaming performance that no handheld windows device can match. If you're a cloud gaming enthusiast like me, this is a must buy and worth it's price. I play my Logitech G-Cloud and Razer Edge 5G way more than my Steam Deck. They are superior portable experiences and excel in their intended designed purposes imho. Meanwhile, the Steam Deck is kinda cool but mostly cumbersome in all aspects.
4:57 "they are a fairly large size for the size of the device, and I've always found the sticks to be fairly precise" a true wordsmith of our times
I’m in the same position as you Russ . Bought it at full price , even if I had a steamdeck and still don’t regret it. My psp and ps2 backlog is now melting a bit.
I didn’t know about the video output update, thanks for that. Great video as always !
This device is underrated. I actually really enjoyed it. Android and native controller support for the play store dames being spotty at best is why I moved on. Emulation best though. I was able to get path of Neo working.
I got a g cloud for $160, open box from eBay earlier this year. Loved it, but then got a ROG Ally, Odin 2, and RGB30. So, I haven’t had much of a reason to pick it up.
I thoroughly enjoy mine. Perfect use case. I've a modest 1080p PC, plenty of steam games, don't game on the go and don't mind a bit of input lag.
Its a great device, I snagged a open box on ebay for $250. I have been using moonlight and sunshine to play ps2, ps3, gamecube, wii, and even Wii U with motion controls for BOTW. Its wild and has me rethinking about selling my the rog ally and just using the Logitech G Cloud.
I keep saying it. For the price you can have an Android device and a Windows machine as well and then you look at the price of the Ally.
Especially if you can get this for $200 open box/refurbished.
I actually just sold my Rog Ally and bought this new off FB marketplace for 180. I'm now trying to figure out how to use emulators how you have it set up. Any advice?
I am so happy with my Logitech G-cloud. I am constantly putting my switch down to go play the game on steam with my g cloud.
It is nice to know that it's really good for Emulation for the Xbox Gamepass app. I don't play much games but I just moved recently. I am still looking for that kind of Dock experience but with this kind of battery life that I can put in my living room. I am debating on whether to set up my switch or waiting for something to play some animal crossing and pokemon lol I do miss those Gamecube games and things like Sea of Stars seem really interesting.
yeah, just ordered an Odin 2. it's my first ever handheld anything. I like the idea of this more than the Odin 2 because of the screen size and ergonomics, but it's soooo much less powerful and has just 25% of the storage! so if Logitech comes out with a new version that has a top-end chip I might jump at it...
Im glad they finally added displayout via usb c
I've been playing Baldur's Gate 3 on this, and the comfort along with the battery life has been a really great experience.
How r u playing Baldurs gate 3, R u streaming from pc or console? Also is the text in the game readable on the logitech?
@@exerblank I'm using NVIDIA to play it through my Steam library. I actually started to play it portably through my Galaxy at first, then bought the Logitech specifically because the text was too small. The text reads super well now for me, but that's going to definitely vary from person to person. Screen is beautiful.
199$ and we can talk. But I give them props for making sure the device is actually comfortable in hands, that should be NUMBER 1 priority of all these devices, but somehow they usually put that at last place :/ I don't care if a device can perform well if it makes my hands hurt lol
I paid the old man tax to get my Cloud. I got it on sale for $300.00 about a year ago. For me it's the screen! I just can't see small screens that well anymore, hence the old man tax. It was worth it to me to pay more for a device I can actually use. The Retroid 4 is probably going to be a great device but I won't ever be able to comfortably play it.
I like the fact that there are so many choices on the market. The Cloud fit my use case the best, even at the $300.00 price.
ha I'm not even (that) old yet, but I agree. I can't do these tiny screen devices. I also just use mine around the house, so portability doesn't matter to me.
My powkiddy X16, Family Pocket FC 3000 and my modded Retro FC plus and Razer KISHI have been doing nothing but sitting and collecting dust since i got my G Cloud. I do really use my xbox much anymore since getting my G cloud. I can literally do everything on my G Cloud. Literally goes everywhere with me.
mines coming monday!!! let’s see
This video is exactly what I needed! I was surfing the internet for weeks now) thank you!
Really appreciate the breakdown. I picked one up mostly because I wanted something bigger for emulation in one place than all the numerous devices I aquired. Don't like the fact that it's android but with the price point, I really like it. An ROG for me would be just too much for what I need.
Tried one at a Best Buy, form factor was instantly one of the best for any handheld I've used. Controls all felt really good, and general build quality felt top notch. Those specs at that price though... and it hasn't gone down at all.
$150 devices are surpassing its power, and why wouldn't you save an extra hundred for a Deck? It'd be a braindead move to grab this over Steam Deck. I've still not seen any significant price drops from any retailers, and it's ridiculous they'd expect you to spend so much on so little. Would've been a great device given proper specs and pricing- like a competitor to the Odin for those who prefer Android. I know it's not marketed as an emulation or native-game system, but it's idiotic of them to ignore the definite emulation community and high end Android players. Nobody will genuinely want this, it's just appealing for those of us who enjoy looking at different hardware. Not worth it.
I got mine for $199 used and its great. The battery life is excellent. I will say it's been largely replaced by the ROG Ally but if your use case is just Moonlight/Local game streaming and emulation then its a really comfortable device that's great to use. The yellow under the joysticks is really ugly though.
You can play larger PS2 games from internal storage. Not perfect solution...but it works.
Good review! Yeah, the Logitech G Cloud doesn't seem too bad at all if you can snag it on sale. I've seen it on sale at various stores.
I don't remember seeing a setup guide for the Logitech G Cloud on Retro Corps. I might have missed it, though. Though, I'm guessing you would set it up like any other Android device.
I bought one for 180 new in box off of fb marketplace today. So far it's not bad. Trying to set it up still. Hoping to love it. Not there just yet.
If this were 200 it were a no brainer.
At the retail price, almost the cost of a steam deck, I don't see any chance in hell this is on my buy list.
When I've been home, I've actually been using my G Cloud more than my Steam Deck lately. The emulation is easier as I just switch between apps. For Game Pass and Geforce Now, I get better quality and performance than I do on my Deck. Then I also have Android games on it, it's lighter, and the battery lasts much longer.
That price is terrible though, I got it on sale for $299 and I had a $50 Best Buy gift card that I was given, getting it down to $250 out of pocket. I think that $199-$250 is definitely the sweet spot in pricing. As for travel though, I still prefer my Deck since WiFi will likely be iffy in a hotel.
Get a travel router
@@dj4monie I just take my Razer Kishi and slap it on my phone if I travel without my Steam Deck. Then I can use unlimited 5G if the wifi sucks.
The price doesn’t come down because there’s still a big demand for it, it’s one of the biggest sellers in stores
I love love LOVE The Logitech G Cloud! I agree, it's a little pricey, but it's so dang comfy. Logitech nailed the ergonomics, and the screen looks amazing.
It was on sale for $300 CAD ($224 USD) in Canada and I picked one up and love it. I feel like the use case for this thing should really be much more targeted for streaming than emulation but the video really focuses mostly on emulation.
This is an emulation centered channel
I don't know if you dit it already but it'd be interessting if you make an Excell file for all the handheld consoles with some specs and rating for different emulated systems.
I have one and quite like it for retro emulation, not to mention having it on my desk playing PlutoTV or another streaming service as it's sound is really decent
Hunting for that $200 deal and I am sold
Bought used for $200 and absolutely love it.
I basically use this for Steam Link and I stream everything from there, including non steam apps like emulators. Works amazing for that.
Finally bought one tho it's wayyy to pricey. 200 would be ideal. Also, I've been cloud gaming on my rg556 and it's been really fun albeit small screen for modern games but perfect for retro gba games. Beautiful screen for sea of stars 😊. Great videos and reviews as always, thanks man!
Picked one up for 200 used like new with screen protector and case,, Love it for my use. The comfort and screen is top notch and would like to see Logi make a new one with better chip...
i love mine! use it more than my RP3+ and maybe more than my miyoo mini!
1 year later and i still love it. Wish it could play Gran Turismo 4 but thats my only real gripe
you can combine SD card with internal storage and it may let you put file larger than 4GB.
I have one.
I bought it because I was a dumbass and didn't take the Chinese brands seriously. I was just getting into these retro handhelds back then. A miyoo and an anbernic later, I was wrong.
To be fair, while the device is a bad value proposition, it's still a good enough gaming device that I've played a lot in the past year. In a way, your experience mirrors my own. I mostly used my pc to remote play titles. And the battery life was very helpful. Would I buy it again? Nope. Do I regret buying it? Not at all.
i bought one a few weeks ago, being able to play pokemon and zelda games is amazing, plus, streaming xbox games
I picked one up last year second-hand for $200 and I agree with you that should definitely be where it retails. But compared to other devices I've used like my own switch lite, or tried like my friends RP2, the Cloud is WAY more comfortable to game on. I still haven't gotten very far into retro gaming/emulation. I have been playing some Zelda OoT, but otherwise I've been happily playing Deadcells and Stardew Vally on the Cloud without need for much else. I've also streamed a few games to it from my PC like Ori and the blind forest pretty seamlessly/easily. I would like to try other games like Destiny 2 or No Mans Sky but either I am too used to keyboard and mouse or not setting up some of the function/menu buttons properly for some of those. Similarly with some emulation I've tried I feel like buttons aren't right or I'm forgetting which button is mapped to where. I probably just need to sit down with it more. Overall I love the device itself. Oh and also the video out; I do like that option now but I was having some scaling/resolution issues specifically with my Samsung Frame TV that I hooked it up to. I need to try again but the one time I tried it was displaying badly on the TV for some reason and I couldn't get it to correct. I think if I hook it straight up to a monitor it does fine though.
I got mine for $200 on ebay a couple on months back and it's still an amazing device, $200 is the sweet spot in my opinion, it goes for that and sometimes less on ebay.
When talking about the price and comparing it to the usual China suspects, people seem to forget 2 things both of which cost money:
- VAT / sales tax
- Support and updates
The China gadgets are usually grey imports (at least in the EU) so you skip paying for VAT and import tax. Also you can forget about Android updates and support in case something goes wrong.
I really don't like the fact that the retro emulators are NOT preloaded on this thing, and that you have to buy them online or pay a monthly subscription fee just in order to play games that you already physically own... Just a SCAM and a SHAM, through and through! 😤
I want to love my SteamDeck more, but I love the comfort and portability of the Logitech.
Had mine since June I absolutely love it ….I use to carry it around with me all the time tho to the point where I would drop it And die inside every time I hear the plastic shell hit the ground 😢lol but after I got my rg405V I now leave my Gcloud at home where it’s safe and away from my clumsy ass and buttery fingers
Just picked one up after watching this video and seeing there’s an app that lets you remote play Xbox Series. Loving it so far and it remote plays great. Trying to figure out emulation and using your guides and it’s awesome.
Planning to get g cloud this month, gonna use it mainly for xbox remote play, are the haptics and feedback working?
I've been using an odin for about a year now for game streaming and game pass but im thinking of making the switch.... this screen size and ergonomics seem like a such a sell
Its funny cause I actually LOVE the face buttons on this device, they are my favorite feeling buttons on any device ever
I admit I was a hater but when the price dropped to $225 refurb I took a chance almost 9 months ago. It is a very good handheld and probably the comfiest I've used. It's light, very ergonomic. Only downside is the dpad.