Plato: "I just want to invent some imaginary place, so my dialog has a point. I bet no one would think about this and has no consequences in the future." Some people in the future: "Where is Atlantis?"
Plato: "I am utilizing a known legend city passed down to me from generations before, as an allegorical device because its far more logical and simple than generating specific and random world building in my head. I bet no one would assume that because I used a legend in allegorical context, it therefore certifiably was an invention of my own and has no basis in reality, especially considering it is a verifiable objective fact that Atlantis was not my invention. People in the future: "duh its a platonic parable bruh"
if he was just a fool; then it's pretty amazing that this fool had soo many books and other people ; still read his teachings and writings to this day. what a lucky fool he is.
I was thinking the same. Considering that the Egyptian pharaohs had cocaine and tobacco in them, which only came from the Americas, I would not be surprised if the Phonecian trade network included far off places. We know that the vikings traveled to the Americas not too long afterwards, and they didn't have a massive empire. Asha Logos covers a lot of things like this.
@@Nighterlev Start by explaining how it is "beyond the pillars of Heracles" when the Eye of the Sahara is on a known continent and to the south of the straits of Gibraltar?
@@taitjones6310 seriously the professor asked one question on the final exam and it said why? People wrote volumes and I wrote, Because. I turned in my paper and got an A.
Atlantis may be a myth or based on some historical reality, but Plato went to great lengths to give authenticity of this Parable (if it is merely a parable.) . Plato says that Solon was told of Atlantis by Egyptian priests and , if I recollect correctly, even mentions that the story was memorialized on a temple wall somewhere in Egypt, and that Solon actually visited that temple. It seems unlikely to me, that Plato, who was descended from Solon on his mother's side would invoke his renowned ancestor to provide authenticity to to his tale or even mention him if he (Plato) had invented the story himself. It would besmirch his ancestor's reputation for truthfulness in a falsehood of Plato's own creation. Not something a proud descendant would do to his ancestor. Given Plato's pride of family, his high-mindedness, and dislike of poets(who he banned from his Republic because their inventions are lies) mixing Solon into this invention seems to me unlikely. For this reason I think it likely Plato indeed had the story from family recollections of Solon's visit to Egypt. And he transmitted the story unchanged, as true. He then made use of it in his dialogue for his own philosophic and political reasons. Dismissing it as a mere invention is, I think, rather difficult unless his relationship to Solon is ignored. I would also point out that some modern writers have speculated that while Plato describes Atlantis as lying beyond the Pillars of Hercules (which is usually identified as Gibraltar,) there were actually two Pillars of Hercules in the Greek World,. The other Pillar was the Straits of the Dardanelles. This leads some to think that the war with Atlantis was actually a version of the Trojan War, and that Plato broke off the Timaeus at that point when he realized the connection. In like manner, I remember discussing with someone, whether the Trojan Horse was real or a poetic invention describing a battering ram. I take it that the Greeks knew the difference between a wooden horse and a battering ram. Battering rams were not invented until around the 7th century B.C. and first used by the Assyrians. And Homer, and the other poets of the Trojan Cycle described very exactly warfare in the late Bronze age. If they don't describe battering rams it is because they weren't in use. In conclusion, I offer no opinion as to the veracity of the Atlantis story or myth (although I think it certainly possible) but I do believe that Plato thought it was true, and would not have offered it as factually true, if he knew that it was not. The idea of great cities being sunk beneath the seas is more credible today in the light of the discovery of Heracleion in Egypt and several other submerged cities in the Mediterranean. Not too long ago about a half million people in Indonesia were killed when a tsunami swept over their island. Civilization in the Bronze Age was real, but frail. So it is entirely believable that a small center of civilization could be destroyed very quickly by a natural disaster be it a tsunami or a volcanic eruption or the like and disappear practically without a trace in a matter of a few days. Not a pleasant thought, but not one to be dismissed out of hand.
Frank, you said: "So it is entirely believable that a small center of civilization could be destroyed very quickly by a natural disaster be it a tsunami or a volcanic eruption or the like and disappear practically without a trace in a matter of a few days. Not a pleasant thought, but not one to be dismissed out of hand." Or, in similar vein, a volcanic eruption next to the island that caused the southern end of the island to collapse into the sea followed by a tsunami that drowned the citadel, temples (positioned in the form of a rosette), and main city of Atlantis/Aztlan and so many living creatures.
Ezekiel 26 in the Bible provides description of the island of Tyre as the lost city of Atlantis, which was ruled by King Tyre, who was Lucifer in the flesh who is described as the anointed cherub that walked with God in the Garden of God up and down on the stones of fire. The Lord God even says in Ezekiel 26:21 that although the city will be sought after, it will never be found.
He hasn't really disproved what Plato said. He just calls him a liar because he often mixes myth and fable into his discussions. However, myth often has an element of truth. The Eye of the Sahara theory for Atlantis is very plausible.
Troas, a corrupted Greek name for Troy, was well known in the first century and still exists as a small modern city today. It's even in the New Testament. Yet for some reason, antiquarians regarded it as a myth. And then, lo and behold, a digging on the outskirts of the modern site uncovered the ruins dating back to the ancient period... and Troy was "found." The experts are often wrong. Especially modern ones. The earliest recognized "archeologists" had few academic credentials and were rank amateurs compared to modern "experts." Yet they made incredible finds of places and things once considered myth.
@@GhostRanger5060 The earlier "amateurs", were imo, way more of the dirty hands, hard work of actually digging just from local legend "hear say" that archeology has its roots from. Those "amateurs" are really experts the modern experts wish they were. As you said, most archeologist are more book educated than actual trips into the field. All of this just imo though, as I'm not an expert in archeology. 😂🙂
@Blank Name -- Bravo!! People want to believe so badly. I've always been a realist and look at everything through that lense. Unfortunately we have to deal with Atlantis, aliens, big foot, UFO's, flat earth, etc. It's so hard navigating through the muck to find reality anymore........
plato: "this is atlantis, atlantis is a very corrupt and bad government" people: "ok, but where is atlantis?" plato: "ah... so you don't get the point huh"
He's not even the only one of his contemporaries to talk about Atlantis or it's location. Clearly he didn't make it up, even if indeed it was all made up which is far from clear.
@@kakyoindonut3213 I'd bet it's in the Azores. There's a submerged plateau that matches Plato's description presently in the deep between two of the main islands of today. It's just not the size of Australia, though it's similar to Hawii. The only fly in the ointment is that it's way below the 400 feet that sea level was lower 10k years ago but that may not be a deal breaker. There's mostly ignored geological work from the 1950s-60s that suggest deep ocean features like the tops of sea mounts like the Mid Atlantic Ridge and the Azores plateau (which lies at a juncture of the MAR and another spreading fault) could've been at or above the surface. There were fossil beds of shallow sea life dredged up in the 1930's from miles down. This was before carbon dating and hasn't been revisited afaik. Likewise that geologic evidence I mentioned shows that many of these sea mounts more than half a mile down are capped in rock that _only forms in air_ and was dated to under a million years, basically the lower limit of available dating techniques. Even a million years ago it's unexpected that the sea floor could rise or fall that far. So, orthodox theory says that even during the iceage these mountains should've been at least 2000 feet underwater. But Earth's oceans plates are thinner than it's continental plates and during that ice age the two miles of ice piled on North America includes a lot of mass off that plate representative of the 400ft sea level drop even as it pushed the entire continental plate down some _and_ buckled the plate near the center of the ice cap another 2000 feet down. It's possible the Atlantic plate rose and rose more/faster near the MAR with it acting like a hinge... And potentially having the opposite effect as the ice cap melted and sea levels rose, probably accelerating how much and how fast that plateau was impacted. If you just read Plato's retelling of Strabo's account you go west from Pillars of Hercules, past a band of bars and islands then you get to Atlantis in the middle of another clump of islands _then_ there's a long chain of islands running north/south and past that a large continent. Which sounds exactly like someone was looking at a globe that showed the MAR when they described it like I was when I first heard it as a kid. Or moving around a few million, trillion tons makes the crust lift noticably where it's especially thin.
In the same book he talks about Atlantis in, he also claims that our heads are planets and our souls orbit around them. And the universe is made up of cubes pyramids and dodecahedrons. And the stars’ orbits operate in musical harmonies. If you’ve read his stuff you’d see his making up Atlantis is keeping in line with his methodology. This guys intellectual thought process was on a whole different level. He made stuff up all the time. I’m in no way diminishing his genius by that.
I don’t know about made up, but I definitely believe he just thought these things and there wasn’t anyone else around smart enough to challenge his thought
H o m o l u d e n s Dude! Troll much? And wouldn’t the use of a metaphor only strengthen the argument that he meant for Atlantis to represent his contemporary Athens? There was no doubt a myth about an ancient sunken city. I’m pretty sure that’s an ancient trope in every culture. But the way Plato describes it is way too descriptive. Especially something 9000! years before he was writing. He was using a literary device to strengthen his argument. Use your autocorrect.
If archeologist and historians don’t have a paved road with traffic signs and a full written explanation of what a place/structure was then for fact is ether a myth, a tomb or a sanctuary.
@@dustyclery8791 lol, went so far above his head, that it was funny. It actually made me *really* chuckle, and not just that puff of air through the nose "laugh". Haha
@@Oddball5.0 Just like anything today it’s all about money. If it makes them money they’ll stretch the truth or even tell flat out lies. A lot of things about ancient Egypt have been proven wrong yet they won’t even engage in the conversation.
So, Plato's primary form of writing is in this same conversational format. Literally entirely made up conversations. Yet people think that Atlantis is real? Come on.
I've heard that the Mediterranean Sea was once much lower and that the Atlantic Ocean burst through a barrier during an earthquake at the Gates of Hercules. I believe there are Mycenean cities under the waters of the Med. Those ancient Myceneans are under-rated. They were probably the original "Atlanteans" of Plato's Republic. But that's just my theory.
I think your timeline is off. There are indeed several places in Europe and the Near East that show signs of massive floods. The Black Sea for one, but also the Persian Gulf and yes, at Gibraltar as well. However these events happened tens of thousand of years ago to several thousand years ago at the end of the last Ice Age. If memory serves me well, then the Atlantic spilling into the Mediterranean was the oldest event at around 20-30 thousand years ago, then the Black Sea 10-20 thousand years ago, and the youngest of them was a great flood of the Persian Gulf 8-10 thousand years ago. What you are referring to is the Thera (Santorini) volcano, which basically destroyed most of the island, and wiped out much of the Greek and Cretan cities on the coast in the 1500’s BCE. Regardless, I always wondered if folk tales and myths have recorded albeit in a very distorted form events or motifs from tens of thousands of years ago or even earlier? It’s literally impossible to tell but I do wonder if any mythical characters or character traits, archetypes were inspired originally by say for example, Neanderthals.
Plato got his story from an older Greek individual who heard the story from the Egyptians 200 years previously. You can actually see where it was supposed to be located on the map of the world as Herodytus described it 70 years before Plato heard the story. Atlantis, or Atlantes, was an Empire in Western Africa that was devastated by cataclysmic flooding 11,600 years ago. Stretched from the Pillars of Gibraltar southwards. All of this looking under the ocean bullshit is a waste of time and money.
@@Xynth25 You are correct. I am starting to accept the idea that the Richat Structure in Mauritania may be the original location and have recently rejected the entire Minoan/Mycenean origin theory for Atlantis.. I know people will argue that the Richat Structure is too high of an altitude or that it's a natural feature but I believe in catastrophism, the concept that the world and its history are shaped by great disasters. The Richat Structure could have been destroyed in a massive earthquake that reshaped the west coast of Africa. There are signs of both massive erosion and volcanism at the site. Ancient maps and histories do put the name Atlantis to the West Coast of Africa. Only our Euro/Mideast-centric mindset makes the idea hard to accept. Thank you.
The Mediterranean was once completely blocked off from the Atlantic with what's believed to have been a huge valley with a much smaller sea at the bottom about a half mile below present sea level. The Atlantic wouldn't have been that much lower, it's just there's not enough water flowing into the Med with Gibraltar blocked to fill it very high before evaporation removes it. But that's believed to have been several million years ago with the Atlantic breaking through something like 5 million years ago. *WAY* before modern humans or even even Homo Erectus existed. So that's another big impressive geologic feature and/or flood that's also nothing to do with Atlantis. Sorry.
So the story of Atlantis is yet another parable about the cycle of civilisation: from establishment, growth, agreement, complacency, corruption, destruction. Like the story of the Tower of Babel, or indeed history itself, from ancient Greece and Rome, to the British Empire, to the Soviet Union and the US hegemony we see today
@Just think Sources include Wikipedia and Business Insider - seems legit. So he saw the same thing we see today and concluded the same thing some of us really want to conclude today, then develops the parable
My yoga guru, who taught us meditation, said Atlantis really did exist, and so did Lemuria. He said Atlantis was "beyond the Pillars of Hercules", just as Plato did. On another occasion, he told some of the other yoga monks that Atlantis was beyond the Iberian peninsula. The personal assistant of my guru told me that Atlantis went as far north as the Faroe Islands, and he aslo told how far east and south and west it went, but I'm not good at geography so I don't remember what those other places were. My guru said if we wanted to find some interesting evidence of Atlantis we'd have to dig off the northern coast of Spain. But it's very deep, would be very difficult to get to, would be very expensive, and would probably require the funding of the United Nations.
Sorry to hear that. It's a bone dry geologic structure that's been all but lifeless for tens of thousands of years. It's big, it's weird and it's striking but it's not man-made and never had alternating rings of water. You could make the case it somehow got conflated into the legend in antiquity based on the nearby Atlas mountains, Atlas being inextricably linked to the Atlantis myth and a likely spot for a colony that could've survived them. But Plato described it being lost 10,000 years ago _beyond_ Gibraltar, past the Pillars of Hercules, outside an area with sand bars and beyond what sounds like the canary islands placing Atlantis itself in the Azores. This at a time (unless you accept the "typo theory" that Plato misunderstood the Egyptian 10 centuries as 10 millennia) when sea level was at least 400 feet lower and all those islands considerably bigger. The assertion that Plato was misquoting the earlier Strabo or that Strabo had mistranslated the number from his Egyptian sources is based solely in the fact that there was never any evidence to support even one civilization building settlements or monuments before the early Egyptians five thousand years later. Except now we know of sites in Turkey that people occupied and carved stone monuments at made virtually right after the same period Atlantis was said to perish in more or less the exact sort of catastrophes we know would've been occuring. It's more silly now to ignore that. There are even indications that the mid ocean ridge and deeply submerged Azores plateau may have been near or above the ocean surface making it possible there was a nearly Hawaii sized landmass right where Plato said. Sea mounts two miles down have rock deposited at the summit that only forms in air and did so within the last million years... (Since the mid Atlantic ocean hasn't wandered much in far more time it follows the ocean floor has likely seen a lot more vertical movement than is appreciated.)
@@johnassal5838 There is evidence of water erosion by the richat structure. You can even see where the ripples are in the sand, also all the white spots you can see from Google earth are SALT deposits. There was clearly a cataclysmic event where water clearly moved southwest from the north of Africa. Where would the salt come from if it has been dry for tens of thousands of years? We've found that the Sahara has cycles of lush greenery & the timeline plato spoke of lines up with the younger dryas which would explain massive flooding
@@BigGaines If there's salt then it's from being an arid environment that no water drains out of or persists in (it only evaporates) for most of the last 130,000 years. That's the end of an epoch of stone tools that covered everything In Africa but what was, and still is the center deep dessert. Also, the floods at the end of the last (or previous) ice age didn't effect everyplace on Earth. The mainstream view is normally that there were many smaller events too that would be even less severe and expansive than a few more massive events like if an asteroid struck the ice. Even in the most severe and sudden scenario there would be no outflow anywhere near the Richat structure. Certainly nothing that could scrape away all trace of a sophisticated culture even if there was any way one could support itself there since before the last ice age even started. In contrast the Atlas mountains are near the coast. The canary islands are a couple hundred miles off that coast, would've been much more expansive when sea level was 400 ft lower (and then the Azores past them, as well as the possibility the sea floor may also have rebounded raising even more islands.) The canarys had an indigenous population that did not fare well after contact with mainland Europeans but had numerous similarities to west Indian natives. If they were descendants of a once thriving Atlantic analog to the much more recent Polynesians of the Pacific then they most likely had a colony in Mauritania and may have been aware of the Eye of the Sahara but it would not be able to support much of a local population, not even just visiting it.
Plato wrote almost entirely fiction, or else embellished and expanded accounts of conversations that his teacher, Socrates, had with various "interlocutors," often said to have been told to Plato by second-hand or even third-hand accounts. It's almost impossible to corroborate wether these events occurred. There are a couple of instances, however, where other authors wrote about events that Plato tackled as well, like Xenophon's Symposium. For the most part though, unless both Plato had an absolutely perfect photographic memory, most of his work could be considered fiction. Especially because he often says "I heard about this 15-page conversation from some servant whose master was at a party where Socrates was." Re: "old tales." Someone else who remembers more of his work may be able to add more examples, but Plato did occasionally include bits of myth in his writing, like when Aristophanes discusses the origins of Man in the Symposium. Can't remember if there are examples of more plausible bits of folklore or history in the dialogues though.
Fun fact there is a mountain of biblical manuscripts... Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of them..... yet we have next to nothing from Plato himself yet people don't seem to question Plato too often. Strange eh.
@@jonathansoko5368We do, or at least more than we have from JC or any of his contemporaries about him. There aren't even any biblical manuscripts in Armaic. And you haven't spent time in the right circles if you don't think people question Plato. Even if we didn't many of his claims don't rely on his existence or sanctity for validity. As opposed to the biblical account of a (or several) charismatic Jew who thought the end of the world was around the corner because his homeland was ravaged by the Romans. Written at least three generations after the fact and edited and/or translated many, many hundred years after. Why would people write stuff down? Doomsday is just around the corner
If Plato wrote both fiction and nonfiction his judgment would be questionable. The factual things he did say would affect his appeal to authority portrayal.
Back then. Many people could not write. History was passed down verbally....through stories. Those who could write. Wrote what was told. Many cultures today still use this as a method of passing on the story of their people. By recasting the story word for word until they no it by heart. Plato did not write this as fiction. He even tells you that beforehand.
At about 5:22 the description given of Atlantis and the rings of moats and canals sounds like a description of the area around what would become Mexico City in our era. It was ringed by moats and lakes with canals branching off across the plains around it. One of the reasons it took Cortez so long to defeat the ancient city was due to that network of interlaced lakes, moats, and canals. I'm not saying that Tenochtitlan was Atlantis but it seems interesting that the descriptions could be considered similar.
Little known fact, during the last ice age the middle of the Atlatic ocean had a huge land mass that was swallowed by the ocean due to isostatic compensation after the ice melted away. This was proven by core samples taken from the mid-atlantic ridge by ship named The Atlantis in 1948, they found limestone rocks that lithified in the atmosphere around 12 thousand years ago and are now 2 miles below the ocean. Randall Carlson has done extensive research into this.
If you actually look at Plato's writings on Atlantis you'd realize it was never a real place, it was a fictional utopia he used in his stories to teach moral lessons. Plato's writings are the only accounts we have of it, nobody else wrote about it. We've completely lost the plot thinking Atlantis was ever real, and its embarrassing.
Great video, I've always loved myths that pull upon allegorical or parable themes and the fall of Atlantis has been one of the great myths that can be applied to any nation that disappears or falls to its own hubris. Its probably my favorite theme in scifi and fantasy stories, the fall of an advanced civilization due to excessive greed, malice, sloth etc. I think because it hits home to being an American, the propaganda idea that we have some kind of promised land or the literal golden city on the hill that could never fall or be invaded vis-à-vis Rome.
The Greek city of Sybaris in Italy was renowned for its obsession with luxury and hedonistic pleasures -- aka Sybaritic. One of the Sybarites tried to sleep on a bed of rose petals but wasn't able to, because one of the petals was folded.... Legend holds that its decadence & opulence led to divine vengeance. But it was probably just subjugated by a rival city (Kroton) who coveted its abundance of natural resources and great wealth. Plato may also have been influenced by the destruction of Helike in 373 BC. Destroyed by earthquake and tsunami -- due to "divine retribution by Poseidon."
@@garymericano I am intrigued though. Please leave a link for me to help substantiate your statement. Australia area is one that I’ve never heard of but I’m opened minded. I can send a link or 2 to help back up my claims. Thanks mate.
I usually enjoy these videos, but the typical arrogant historical take on Atlantis is simply the worst there is: "I don't know, therefore it doesn't exist; also I'm smarter than all the great intellects of antiquity to know this." Thumbs way down on this one. This is just like Troy all over again. You'd think the so called academics would eventually learn not to be so arrogant. By the way, of you actually read Plato you will notice that he is very clear and straightforward whenever he uses a story as allegory, and this isn't one of those cases.
Ethan, fella, no one knows whether or not Atlantis existed. Plato probably didn't know whether it existed. The one thing he did know, is that it sure as hell wasn't his invention, and this is objectively verifiable fact. So, no, Plato has trolled no one, its actually you getting accidentally trolled by academic snobbery.
The continent of Atlantis was an island Which lay before the great flood In the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean. So great an area of land, That from her western shores Those beautiful sailors journeyed To the South and the North Americas with ease, In their ships with painted sails. To the East Africa was a neighbor, Across a short strait of sea miles. The great Egyptian age is But a remnant of The Atlantean culture. The antediluvian kings colonized the world All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas In all legends from all lands were from far Atlantis. Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth. On board were the Twelve: The poet, the physician, The farmer, the scientist, The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends. Though Gods they were - And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind Let us rejoice And let us sing And dance and ring in the new Hail Atlantis!
I wish I could tell you that Aquaman costumes were mandatory or that the dancers all wore mermaid tails...but in most cases, as far as I can tell, the Atlantis / aquatic theme isn't taken very seriously. Some hasty Googling reveals, however, that the Atlantis Gentlemen's club nearest my house has a "Plato's Penthouse" for big spenders - so kudos to them for staying on topic. One suspects, however, that nothing that happens in that room can be described as Platonic.
Atlantis is exactly where the Azores islands are now, with only the peaks poke out where the sea level used to be more than 150 yards below the present levels.
THANK YOU!! I've had so many arguments over this Fact ive lost count !! Parables confuse so many !! Poor Socrates ! 🙄 I enjoy your all videos !! Thxx again !!
And you still will, with people who understand that a parabolic contextual employment has nothing to do with whether or not the city had a basis in reality, especially considering it is a known fact that the story of Atlantis was passed down to Plato fron Solon, and not, as claimed in this video, his own invention. Hopefully the people arguing with you will point out how wildly insane it is to just pass off an opinion about history as fact without any objective proof...
@@GhostRanger5060, but Mycenaeans we’re the ones that the oral stories of the Iliad, Odessey, Heracles, etc come from. It was a time full of myths but they never mentioned Atlantis, or at least it wasn’t passed down until Plato in classical times wrote about it and said it was a story from Egypt.
Atlantis isnt a story based on bronze age collapse or minoians on crete or anything like that, its actually Atlanta, and it hasnt happen yet, as seen in the historical text "Futurama".
It was the eye of Sahara and the nation of Atlas reigned across most of the known world at the time. They became corrupted and were destroyed by “the wrath of god” and that is why they have made sure that no one researches the eye.
Atlantis was created in 6 days before resting... It merges the second Moon to the Water World Planet making a ripple effects... and its center is in Philippines in the Southeast Asia... These Atlanteans are from Mars, the first settlers...
In January 2021, Luigi Usai, an independent researcher, released a new hypothesis according to which the sinking of Atlantis is due to the sudden melting of the ice following the glaciation called Würm. Geologists know that the level of the Mediterranean Sea reached -120 meters below the current level about 14,000 years ago. The so-called "Messinian salinity crisis" is also well known, during which Sardinia and Corsica were joined due to the lowering of the sea level by over a hundred meters, and it was possible to travel between them on foot. During the period of the war that broke out between Atlantis and Greece, that is, in 9600 BC, that is, about 11,600 years ago, geologists know that Sardinia and Corsica and a large part of the currently submerged coasts formed what appeared to be a large island, which was called in the third chapter of Timaeus and in Critias by Plato with the name of Atlantis.[125][126] At the center of the Atlantis plain and enclosed by the current Campidano plain, there would be what was the capital of Atlantis, also known by the name of Atlantis but today known by the name of Sulcis, and which started from a hill near the small village of Santadi and Masainas and Teulada, forming concentric circles of land and sea. It is still possible to notice how, starting from Santadi, the entire urban plan develops in concentric circles, even portions of mountains. There is also a vast toponymy related to the myth of Atlantis. In fact, as Usai points out, next to Santadi there are many places whose name recalls the hot and cold water sources created by Poseidon, who according to Usai was a simple man, probably a King, and not a God. Poseidon, placed a hot water source and a cold water source in the Capital of Atlantis. In fact, even today there are some hamlets of towns called "Acquacadda." (Hot Water, in the Campidanese Sardinian language), S'acqua callenti de basciu. (The Hot Water Below, in the Campidanese Sardinian dialect) and S'Acqua Callenti de Susu (The Hot Water Above, also in the Campidanese Sardinian dialect, the dialectal variant of the Sardinian language spoken in southern Sardinia), while in the nearby town of Siliqua the Zinnigas cold water source is still present today. Also in Siliqua, a small town also located in the province of Cagliari, the "Castello d'Acquafredda" still exists, currently known for the famous story told by Dante Alighieri about Count Ugolino, who had stayed there according to a legend passed down orally. The Acquafredda castle takes its name from the medieval town of Acquafredda, which disappeared a few centuries ago, whose name recalls the cold water source of Poseidon, while in the province of Carbonia Caput Acquas insists on the theme of water. Furthermore, Usai points out,Poseidon's tridents have been found carved in Neolithic and Paleolithic rocks found near the town of Laconi, in Sardinia. Next to Santadi there is a town called Narcao, which has two hamlets, called "Is Sais Superiore" and "Is Sais Inferiore"; this is a clear reference according to Usai, to the city of Sais in Egypt, where the high priest Sonchis revealed the story of Atlantis to Solon, the famous Greek politician. Furthermore, Sais is also a Sardinian surname. There are still two other interesting toponyms: Acqua Callentis[127] (another way of saying "Hot Water" in the Campidanese and Sulcitano Sardinian dialect), also known by the name of "Is Perdas" (i.e. "The Stones"): this location also recalls the sources of hot and cold water placed by Poseidon in the Platonic myth; and the locality of Terresoli (a crasis of Terra De Soli, or Land of the Sun in Sardinian Campidanese and Sulcitano) which closely resembles the name of Eliopolis, another city linked to the myth of Atlantis: in fact while Eliopolis in Greek means City of the Sun, Terresoli [128] means Land of the Sun. The locality of Piscinas is also found in Sulcis and takes up the theme of flooding: in Sardinian in fact this term is used to indicate a place where there has been an enormous stagnation of water. Usai's theory, which takes the name of "Sardinian-Corsican Atlantean paradigm", states that the species of elephants that Plato speaks of in Timaeus and Critias is that of the Mammuthus Lamarmorai, present on the Sardinian-Corsican island which is currently half-submerged, and of which remains have been found in at least three places in present-day Sardinia: in Gonnesa, in Sinis and in Alghero. At the end of the story of Atlantis, in the Timaeus, Plato states that the island was surrounded by mud that prevented navigation: this would have been caused by the erosion of the Sardinian-Corsican continental shelf by millennia of undertow. The island of Atlantis was the largest of all, according to Plato: in fact the Sardinian-Corsican geological block was an island of emerged land and is in fact the largest of all those in the Western Mediterranean, which according to Usai was called the Atlantic Ocean even before papyrus and scrolls dealing with geography were made, which is why no memory remains, and geography was later modified. In Atlantis there were the oldest old people: in fact Sardinia, which would only be an emerged plateau of Atlantis, is still famous throughout the world for its people of centenarians[129], in particular the population of the blue zone of Perdas De Fogu[130] [131] [132] [133]. Atlantis was rich in minerals, and in fact the mines of Sulcis are the oldest in Europe[134]. The Atlanteans were "tower builders" according to Platonic dialogues:and in fact there are over 7000 nuraghi present and studied and hundreds of others are continually discovered but not excavated. Usai also states that the ancient literary text of the Meropide deals with the island of Atlantis as a semi-submerged Sardinian-Corsican block: currently, however, all official texts consider the Meropide only a parody of the Platonic texts. The discovery in the rock shelter at Su Carroppu di Sirri of three ancient Sardinian individuals[135], two of whom have given the possibility of analyzing ancient DNA, has shown that this population of Sulcis does not date back to 8000 years ago as initially believed[136], but rather dates back to 11000 years ago[137], and the war between Atlantis and the first Greece mentioned in the Timaeus and the Critias broke out, according to Plato, 11600 years ago: this would seem to be a confirmation of the presence of a Sardinian population in the period in which the story of Atlantis is placed. The DNA found is different from the DNA of the Neolithic population that colonized the island of Sardinia about three thousand years later, and the analysis has shown that these populations of 11,000 years ago preyed on marine resources, that is, they ate seafood and lived along the coasts, in accordance with Usai's Atlantean paradigm. Plato states that in Atlantis they built using stones of three colors: black, red and white; the black stones would be obsidian[138] [139], in particular that of Monte Arci[140], which Sardinia exported throughout Europe for thousands of years and slate, the red rocks would be those of Arbatax[141] and Carloforte and others submerged in the Sardinian-Corsican paleocoasts. In the summer of 2024, archaeological works at the Nuraghe Miali of Pompu[142] brought to light black basalt ashlars which show the Nuragic habit of creating chromatic effects in architecture through the alternation of stones of various colours, in accordance with what Plato stated. The same phenomenon was found and certified at the Nuraghe Arrubiu[143] and the Nuraghe Palmavera and the Nuragic Palace of Barumini. The Pillars of Hercules would be the Faraglione Antiche Colonne of Carloforte[144] [145] as proposed by Giorgio Saba, still existing and of very ancient history[146], and not the Strait of Gibraltar as believed up to now by most theories: beyond the Pillars of Hercules of Carloforte therefore, there was a narrow port, that is the small port formed by the islands of Sant'Antioco and San Pietro, and outside this small port there was the real sea, called in Timaeus and Critias also Atlantic Ocean, but today called Western Mediterranean. The Sardinian-Corsican Atlantean paradigm proposes that the Atlanteans populated the Sardinian-Corsican continental platform currently semi-submerged in the Mediterranean, forced then to migrate when the eustatic level rose drastically [147], perhaps due to repeated Meltwater Pulses[148] [149],distributed over several millennia. These migrations would then take various names: Sumerians and Vascons, among others, giving rise to the megalithic civilization along the coasts of all Europe. In support of this Usai states that these peoples have agglutinative Semitic languages, an "Atlantean" characteristic; the Basques in fact have prehistoric carnival figures similar to the Sardinian ones because both peoples "come from Atlantis", that is, from the semi-submerged Sardinian Corsican geological block: the Joaldun[150], the Mamuthones, the Boes and the Merdules. Furthermore, the Basques would have brought the tradition of the bulls described by Plato in Timaeus and Critias, bulls that were venerated and respected in Atlantis, to Pamplona in Navarre the use of the Encierro, which then changed into the Spanish bullfight.
Interesting that the great flood and upheaval Plato described and his estimate of when it happened seems to correlate with science that shows perhaps a meteor struck the earth about 12,000 years ago. There's that to consider.
Agreed. Unfortunately it's been put off as a translation error since well before anyone knew that the Younger Dryas was full of events suspiciously like the destruction of Atlantis. Also there were no other indications of any kind of complex society or monument builders much before Dynastic Egypt five or six thousand years later. Now we know that people were building stone circles at Gobeki in Turkey almost as soon as the dust had settled. No doubt if the idea of ice-age civilizations had originated today it would be taken seriously but there is a hundred years worth of bias to overcome.
There's that to consider, and then forget about because it's so ridiculously speculative and is formed on the shittiest, shakiest "evidence" imaginable that makes all of history and archaeology look like a fucking clown show. Go back to reddit
Ok tell me if I'm wrong, but are you saying the only reason that you know he made Atlantis up was because he made stuff like that up all the time? Also was it genuinely not finished? I had always heard the rest of the dialogue was lost or illegible for some reason. Also where is the description of the tyrannical atlantic state? I had never heard that before but it's the reason he wrote it in the first place?
IF Atlantis was a real city it could have been the Richat Structure or as commonly known, the Eye of Africa. Open a flood map and set the water elevation to +410. There is no natural formation on this Earth that would fit better Plato's description of Atlantis. The mountain range, the two rings, the circle on the middle, the opening to the South. It's all there. So let's not be hasty to put down ancient scipts just because they are old since we already know that in many cases Greek myths are based on reality.
Atlantis is Minoan Crete that is what Plato was talking about not anywhere else. The ancient Greek world took it for granted why does the modern world look everywhere but where the Greeks believed it to be?
At 4:40, the north arrow is pointed toward the bottom of the map. This is highly unusual. Most maps have the north arrow pointing to the top of the map. This presents an element of confusion for people who don't know a lot about maps. This video would be better if that map was turned upside down.
Firstly, Solon was not just one of Kriton's ancestors, as you just mention him. Secondly, it is easy to consider Atlantis story as a parable. But you have to explain how a fiction story of his mind has achieved to describe a far continent on the other side of the "true ocean" that is Atlantic ocean? Just in the start of his first mention of the story of Atlantis, he writes: "ἔξωθεν ὁρμηθεῖσαν ἐκ τοῦ Ἀτλαντικοῦ πελάγους. τότε γὰρ πορεύσιμον ἦν τὸ ἐκεῖ πέλαγος· νῆσον γὰρ πρὸ τοῦ στόματος εἶχεν ὃ καλεῖτε, ὥς φατε, ὑμεῖς Ἡρακλέους στήλας, ἡ δὲ νῆσος ἅμα Λιβύης ἦν καὶ Ἀσίας μείζων, ἐξ ἧς ἐπιβατὸν ἐπὶ τὰς ἄλλας νήσους τοῖς τότε ἐγίγνετο πορευομένοις, ἐκ δὲ τῶν νήσων ἐπὶ τὴν καταντικρὺ πᾶσαν ἤπειρον τὴν περὶ τὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκεῖνον πόντον." I don't have to translate it into English, you can google its translation. Thirdly, the worldwide disaster that led to the destruction of the Atlantis has a very specific chronological estimation according to Plato's description: around 9.000 years before Solon, ie 9.600 BC. There are many geological findings of great floods across the world that are dated around 9.600 BC and considered to be the outcome of last ice-age's melting... I do not post here to argue that Atlantis story is true; this is not my aim. I post this comment to argue that you have not enough evidence that this story is a parable. It may very well be a myth that Plato had heard, a myth that, like all ancient myths, had some points of truth in it. To claim that Atlantis story is not true is an easy task, as Plato had the obligation to prove it true and he did not. But to specifically claim that Altantis story is one parable is a really hard task. You have to prove somehow that a written story, that has some elements which have been proved true after centuries, was indeed only an outcome of its writer's imagination...
Graham Bruce Hancock would disagree with this video he would say Atlantis did exist. Alma Mater: Durham University He discuses Meltwater Pulse 1B in his book "Fingerprints of the Gods" published in 1995, according to Mr. Hancock proves Plato was correct when Plato said in his writings The Republic that Atlantis did in fact exist and gave dates that correlate to Meltwater Pulse 1B. According to Graham Bruce Hancock.
Yes you fucking can. For such a significant, huge population that lived on an entire continent, it's funny how there's literally no surviving material evidence
@@boozecruiser No, you fucking can't. Ever heard of Troy? Literally unanimously thought to be a legend, without historical basis until it was discovered. If I told you 30 years ago there was an advanced civilisation in Turkey 10,000 years ago, I would be 100% correct. There wouldn't be a jot of known surviving material evidence to back that claim up, because we hadn't discovered it yet. Its called Gozbeklitepe.
@@bibtebo Lmao people knew where Troy was until the end of antiquity, several Roman emperors visited Ilium to pay homage to the legend, and there was a town still at that site. Gozbeklitepe wasn't an advanced civilisation lmao. It's one of the earliest extant sites of sedentary peoples, but they weren't extraordinarily advanced, the site is unique because not many others like it have survived. Nothing about this or the Iliad was really that implausible. Atlantis on the other hand is fantasy, in scale, description and history
I‘m not here to argue whether Atlantis existed or not. All I will say is that the date he puts on it‘s destruction fits neatly with the abrupt end of the last ice age. There are ice core samples indicating a sudden and extreme sealevel rise at just about the time of the supposed destruction of Atlantis. This should raise some questions, especially since we do not know for certain what has caused the end of the last ice age.
Interesting take on the story of Atlantis. Mega fauna was legend until it wasn't. Great floods were legend until they weren't. I understand the allegory of Atlantis. It still doesn't mean that there isn't a grain of truth to the stories.
Nice video... One thing to remember is that people also thought that Troy was also a fictional story. There are things that add up to it possibly being real such a s the date of the destruction which lines up with the Younger Dryas mass extinction...
A lot of people have a hard time viewing Atlantis because of the connections it has to pseudoarcheology. There is not factual evidence of Atlantis being real, so it is not logical to believe it is.
This is wrong because Plato wrote the exact dimensions of Atlantis. The most likely site of Atlantis is in Mauritania as it matches these dimensions. It’s called the Richat structure but it’s so large that you can’t miss it when using satellite imagery.
To begin with, 10.000 years before Plato's own time, the world was in the middle of the Ice age, and there wasn't even a sedentary civilization, or a civilization for that matter roaming around yet, let alone empires or the city of Athens itself.. I find it surprising that no one ever points out that part..
Don't know about Atlantis, but Atlanta, can get pretty humid, hence soggy.
I think that’s the plot of an episode of futurerama
Keep it
@@juddmeyer2432 Ancient Atlanta was much more than a Delta Hub!
People always look like they greasy and smelly in Atlanta
@@tmdwu5360 is that Jerry curl
Plato: "I just want to invent some imaginary place, so my dialog has a point. I bet no one would think about this and has no consequences in the future." Some people in the future: "Where is Atlantis?"
@Kinjack ouch
Where did he say that? I think I missed that part haha
Plato: "I am utilizing a known legend city passed down to me from generations before, as an allegorical device because its far more logical and simple than generating specific and random world building in my head. I bet no one would assume that because I used a legend in allegorical context, it therefore certifiably was an invention of my own and has no basis in reality, especially considering it is a verifiable objective fact that Atlantis was not my invention.
People in the future: "duh its a platonic parable bruh"
if he was just a fool; then it's pretty amazing that this fool had soo many books and other people ; still read his teachings and writings to this day. what a lucky fool he is.
@@ChickenMcThiccken Nobody is claiming that he was a fool
I'm always fascinated about how much Plato's description of Atlantis is similar to Tenochtitlán and the Aztec Empire.
I was thinking the same. Considering that the Egyptian pharaohs had cocaine and tobacco in them, which only came from the Americas, I would not be surprised if the Phonecian trade network included far off places. We know that the vikings traveled to the Americas not too long afterwards, and they didn't have a massive empire. Asha Logos covers a lot of things like this.
@@Nighterlev Nothing about it matches Plato's description except that it is round.
@@Nighterlev Start by explaining how it is "beyond the pillars of Heracles" when the Eye of the Sahara is on a known continent and to the south of the straits of Gibraltar?
Except the aztecs lived about 2000 years after Plato.
@@lb2791 If you think that matters then you aren't well versed in Atlantis lore.
I took philosophy when I was in college and it made me wonder why am I here? So I left.
They should have given you your PhD for that.
@@taitjones6310 seriously the professor asked one question on the final exam and it said why? People wrote volumes and I wrote, Because. I turned in my paper and got an A.
Atlantis may be a myth or based on some historical reality, but Plato went to great lengths to give authenticity of this Parable (if it is merely a parable.) . Plato says that Solon was told of Atlantis by Egyptian priests and , if I recollect correctly, even mentions that the story was memorialized on a temple wall somewhere in Egypt, and that Solon actually visited that temple. It seems unlikely to me, that Plato, who was descended from Solon on his mother's side would invoke his renowned ancestor to provide authenticity to to his tale or even mention him if he (Plato) had invented the story himself. It would besmirch his ancestor's reputation for truthfulness in a falsehood of Plato's own creation. Not something a proud descendant would do to his ancestor. Given Plato's pride of family, his high-mindedness, and dislike of poets(who he banned from his Republic because their inventions are lies) mixing Solon into this invention seems to me unlikely. For this reason I think it likely Plato indeed had the story from family recollections of Solon's visit to Egypt. And he transmitted the story unchanged, as true. He then made use of it in his dialogue for his own philosophic and political reasons. Dismissing it as a mere invention is, I think, rather difficult unless his relationship to Solon is ignored.
I would also point out that some modern writers have speculated that while Plato describes Atlantis as lying beyond the Pillars of Hercules (which is usually identified
as Gibraltar,) there were actually two Pillars of Hercules in the Greek World,. The other Pillar
was the Straits of the Dardanelles. This leads some to think that the war with Atlantis was actually a version of the Trojan War, and that Plato broke off the Timaeus at that point when he realized the connection.
In like manner, I remember discussing with someone, whether the Trojan Horse was real or a poetic invention describing a battering ram. I take it that the Greeks knew the difference between a wooden horse and a battering ram. Battering rams were not invented until around the 7th century B.C. and first used by the Assyrians. And Homer, and the other poets of the Trojan Cycle described very exactly warfare in the late Bronze age. If they don't describe battering rams it is because they weren't in use.
In conclusion, I offer no opinion as to the veracity of the Atlantis story or myth (although I think it certainly possible) but I do believe that Plato thought it was true, and would not have offered it as factually true, if he knew that it was not. The idea of great cities being sunk beneath the seas is more credible today in the light of the discovery of Heracleion in Egypt
and several other submerged cities in the Mediterranean. Not too long ago about a half million people in Indonesia were killed when a tsunami swept over their island. Civilization in the Bronze Age was real, but frail. So it is entirely believable that a small center of civilization could be destroyed very quickly by a natural disaster be it a tsunami or a volcanic eruption or the like and disappear practically without a trace in a matter of a few days. Not a pleasant thought, but not one to be dismissed out of hand.
Well said, thank you for sharing :)
Frank, you said: "So it is entirely believable that a small center of civilization could be destroyed very quickly by a natural disaster be it a tsunami or a volcanic eruption or the like and disappear practically without a trace in a matter of a few days. Not a pleasant thought, but not one to be dismissed out of hand." Or, in similar vein, a volcanic eruption next to the island that caused the southern end of the island to collapse into the sea followed by a tsunami that drowned the citadel, temples (positioned in the form of a rosette), and main city of Atlantis/Aztlan and so many living creatures.
10/10
Well thought out comment, thanks for sharing this was an interesting read
Ezekiel 26 in the Bible provides description of the island of Tyre as the lost city of Atlantis, which was ruled by King Tyre, who was Lucifer in the flesh who is described as the anointed cherub that walked with God in the Garden of God up and down on the stones of fire. The Lord God even says in Ezekiel 26:21 that although the city will be sought after, it will never be found.
Troy was fiction until it wasn’t
He hasn't really disproved what Plato said. He just calls him a liar because he often mixes myth and fable into his discussions. However, myth often has an element of truth. The Eye of the Sahara theory for Atlantis is very plausible.
Troas, a corrupted Greek name for Troy, was well known in the first century and still exists as a small modern city today. It's even in the New Testament. Yet for some reason, antiquarians regarded it as a myth. And then, lo and behold, a digging on the outskirts of the modern site uncovered the ruins dating back to the ancient period... and Troy was "found." The experts are often wrong. Especially modern ones. The earliest recognized "archeologists" had few academic credentials and were rank amateurs compared to modern "experts." Yet they made incredible finds of places and things once considered myth.
@Blank Name Plato never said that, you are assuming it
@@GhostRanger5060 The earlier "amateurs", were imo, way more of the dirty hands, hard work of actually digging just from local legend "hear say" that archeology has its roots from.
Those "amateurs" are really experts the modern experts wish they were. As you said, most archeologist are more book educated than actual trips into the field.
All of this just imo though, as I'm not an expert in archeology. 😂🙂
@Blank Name -- Bravo!! People want to believe so badly. I've always been a realist and look at everything through that lense. Unfortunately we have to deal with Atlantis, aliens, big foot, UFO's, flat earth, etc. It's so hard navigating through the muck to find reality anymore........
plato: "this is atlantis, atlantis is a very corrupt and bad government"
people: "ok, but where is atlantis?"
plato: "ah... so you don't get the point huh"
he never pointed out that its all phylosophical, else why would he even talk about exact location of it and details which are irrelevant
He's not even the only one of his contemporaries to talk about Atlantis or it's location. Clearly he didn't make it up, even if indeed it was all made up which is far from clear.
@@kowya5952 ok
@@johnassal5838 I get it, so where is it?
@@kakyoindonut3213 I'd bet it's in the Azores. There's a submerged plateau that matches Plato's description presently in the deep between two of the main islands of today. It's just not the size of Australia, though it's similar to Hawii. The only fly in the ointment is that it's way below the 400 feet that sea level was lower 10k years ago but that may not be a deal breaker.
There's mostly ignored geological work from the 1950s-60s that suggest deep ocean features like the tops of sea mounts like the Mid Atlantic Ridge and the Azores plateau (which lies at a juncture of the MAR and another spreading fault) could've been at or above the surface. There were fossil beds of shallow sea life dredged up in the 1930's from miles down. This was before carbon dating and hasn't been revisited afaik. Likewise that geologic evidence I mentioned shows that many of these sea mounts more than half a mile down are capped in rock that _only forms in air_ and was dated to under a million years, basically the lower limit of available dating techniques. Even a million years ago it's unexpected that the sea floor could rise or fall that far.
So, orthodox theory says that even during the iceage these mountains should've been at least 2000 feet underwater. But Earth's oceans plates are thinner than it's continental plates and during that ice age the two miles of ice piled on North America includes a lot of mass off that plate representative of the 400ft sea level drop even as it pushed the entire continental plate down some _and_ buckled the plate near the center of the ice cap another 2000 feet down. It's possible the Atlantic plate rose and rose more/faster near the MAR with it acting like a hinge... And potentially having the opposite effect as the ice cap melted and sea levels rose, probably accelerating how much and how fast that plateau was impacted.
If you just read Plato's retelling of Strabo's account you go west from Pillars of Hercules, past a band of bars and islands then you get to Atlantis in the middle of another clump of islands _then_ there's a long chain of islands running north/south and past that a large continent. Which sounds exactly like someone was looking at a globe that showed the MAR when they described it like I was when I first heard it as a kid. Or moving around a few million, trillion tons makes the crust lift noticably where it's especially thin.
In the same book he talks about Atlantis in, he also claims that our heads are planets and our souls orbit around them. And the universe is made up of cubes pyramids and dodecahedrons. And the stars’ orbits operate in musical harmonies. If you’ve read his stuff you’d see his making up Atlantis is keeping in line with his methodology. This guys intellectual thought process was on a whole different level. He made stuff up all the time. I’m in no way diminishing his genius by that.
I don’t know about made up, but I definitely believe he just thought these things and there wasn’t anyone else around smart enough to challenge his thought
I see it went way over your head lol
Mitchell Hilscher Maybe “made up” wasn’t the right choice of words. Hypothesized? Philosophized? Clearly the dude thought about a lot of stuff
Ever heard of "meataphores"? Used to be quite a banger back in the day...
H o m o l u d e n s Dude! Troll much? And wouldn’t the use of a metaphor only strengthen the argument that he meant for Atlantis to represent his contemporary Athens?
There was no doubt a myth about an ancient sunken city. I’m pretty sure that’s an ancient trope in every culture. But the way Plato describes it is way too descriptive. Especially something 9000! years before he was writing. He was using a literary device to strengthen his argument.
Use your autocorrect.
I love the way Mr. toldinstone speaks about his interesting topics
its actually 'Dr' toldinstone
If archeologist and historians don’t have a paved road with traffic signs and a full written explanation of what a place/structure was then for fact is ether a myth, a tomb or a sanctuary.
Lol. You realize their actual job is to learn about the past, right?
People go into archaeology to get away from paved roads.
@@Oddball5.0 That went over your head simpleton.
@@dustyclery8791 lol, went so far above his head, that it was funny. It actually made me *really* chuckle, and not just that puff of air through the nose "laugh". Haha
@@Oddball5.0 Just like anything today it’s all about money. If it makes them money they’ll stretch the truth or even tell flat out lies. A lot of things about ancient Egypt have been proven wrong yet they won’t even engage in the conversation.
@@Oddball5.0 Dont get me wrong though I don’t believe Atlantis was even real unless it was greatly exaggerated and/or renamed.
I would recommand "Socrate", ténor & piano preferably, by Eric Satie. Cage's version for two pianos as well. Both very evocative.
Much appreciated
What about Solon and the Egyptian connection to the story?
Yeh, that is what I was thinking? Didn't Plato mention that first, then added more to it later on in his life?
He has his mind made up. Its an allegory! Really disappointed by this channel for covering this topic in this arrogant tone.
This is a way overlooked channel! Excellent content and presentation.
Thank you!
@@toldinstone ide expect you say "No shit sherlock"...thank you is good too:)
I just wish I didn't have to speed it up every time he talks so fcking slow!!
@@NB-ir1me He really doesn't. Stop watching vines.
@@NB-ir1me grab a napkin cuz u just got served
So, Plato's primary form of writing is in this same conversational format. Literally entirely made up conversations. Yet people think that Atlantis is real? Come on.
I've heard that the Mediterranean Sea was once much lower and that the Atlantic Ocean burst through a barrier during an earthquake at the Gates of Hercules. I believe there are Mycenean cities under the waters of the Med. Those ancient Myceneans are under-rated. They were probably the original "Atlanteans" of Plato's Republic. But that's just my theory.
I think your timeline is off. There are indeed several places in Europe and the Near East that show signs of massive floods. The Black Sea for one, but also the Persian Gulf and yes, at Gibraltar as well. However these events happened tens of thousand of years ago to several thousand years ago at the end of the last Ice Age. If memory serves me well, then the Atlantic spilling into the Mediterranean was the oldest event at around 20-30 thousand years ago, then the Black Sea 10-20 thousand years ago, and the youngest of them was a great flood of the Persian Gulf 8-10 thousand years ago. What you are referring to is the Thera (Santorini) volcano, which basically destroyed most of the island, and wiped out much of the Greek and Cretan cities on the coast in the 1500’s BCE. Regardless, I always wondered if folk tales and myths have recorded albeit in a very distorted form events or motifs from tens of thousands of years ago or even earlier? It’s literally impossible to tell but I do wonder if any mythical characters or character traits, archetypes were inspired originally by say for example, Neanderthals.
Plato got his story from an older Greek individual who heard the story from the Egyptians 200 years previously. You can actually see where it was supposed to be located on the map of the world as Herodytus described it 70 years before Plato heard the story. Atlantis, or Atlantes, was an Empire in Western Africa that was devastated by cataclysmic flooding 11,600 years ago. Stretched from the Pillars of Gibraltar southwards. All of this looking under the ocean bullshit is a waste of time and money.
@@Xynth25 You are correct. I am starting to accept the idea that the Richat Structure in Mauritania may be the original location and have recently rejected the entire Minoan/Mycenean origin theory for Atlantis.. I know people will argue that the Richat Structure is too high of an altitude or that it's a natural feature but I believe in catastrophism, the concept that the world and its history are shaped by great disasters. The Richat Structure could have been destroyed in a massive earthquake that reshaped the west coast of Africa. There are signs of both massive erosion and volcanism at the site. Ancient maps and histories do put the name Atlantis to the West Coast of Africa. Only our Euro/Mideast-centric mindset makes the idea hard to accept. Thank you.
The Mediterranean was once completely blocked off from the Atlantic with what's believed to have been a huge valley with a much smaller sea at the bottom about a half mile below present sea level. The Atlantic wouldn't have been that much lower, it's just there's not enough water flowing into the Med with Gibraltar blocked to fill it very high before evaporation removes it.
But that's believed to have been several million years ago with the Atlantic breaking through something like 5 million years ago. *WAY* before modern humans or even even Homo Erectus existed. So that's another big impressive geologic feature and/or flood that's also nothing to do with Atlantis. Sorry.
Yeah you heard that. It happened before humans. did you hear that part?
So the story of Atlantis is yet another parable about the cycle of civilisation: from establishment, growth, agreement, complacency, corruption, destruction. Like the story of the Tower of Babel, or indeed history itself, from ancient Greece and Rome, to the British Empire, to the Soviet Union and the US hegemony we see today
@Just think Sources include Wikipedia and Business Insider - seems legit. So he saw the same thing we see today and concluded the same thing some of us really want to conclude today, then develops the parable
So u don't think there was a Tower at.Babel?
The Tower Of Babel was real. Not a myth.
@Just think Yeah, these guys are full of shit. "Parable" my ass...
Only thing is, the tower of babel was indeed real
My yoga guru, who taught us meditation, said Atlantis really did exist, and so did Lemuria. He said Atlantis was "beyond the Pillars of Hercules", just as Plato did. On another occasion, he told some of the other yoga monks that Atlantis was beyond the Iberian peninsula. The personal assistant of my guru told me that Atlantis went as far north as the Faroe Islands, and he aslo told how far east and south and west it went, but I'm not good at geography so I don't remember what those other places were. My guru said if we wanted to find some interesting evidence of Atlantis we'd have to dig off the northern coast of Spain. But it's very deep, would be very difficult to get to, would be very expensive, and would probably require the funding of the United Nations.
I’m convinced Atlantis is the Richat Structure
Sorry to hear that. It's a bone dry geologic structure that's been all but lifeless for tens of thousands of years. It's big, it's weird and it's striking but it's not man-made and never had alternating rings of water. You could make the case it somehow got conflated into the legend in antiquity based on the nearby Atlas mountains, Atlas being inextricably linked to the Atlantis myth and a likely spot for a colony that could've survived them.
But Plato described it being lost 10,000 years ago _beyond_ Gibraltar, past the Pillars of Hercules, outside an area with sand bars and beyond what sounds like the canary islands placing Atlantis itself in the Azores. This at a time (unless you accept the "typo theory" that Plato misunderstood the Egyptian 10 centuries as 10 millennia) when sea level was at least 400 feet lower and all those islands considerably bigger.
The assertion that Plato was misquoting the earlier Strabo or that Strabo had mistranslated the number from his Egyptian sources is based solely in the fact that there was never any evidence to support even one civilization building settlements or monuments before the early Egyptians five thousand years later. Except now we know of sites in Turkey that people occupied and carved stone monuments at made virtually right after the same period Atlantis was said to perish in more or less the exact sort of catastrophes we know would've been occuring. It's more silly now to ignore that.
There are even indications that the mid ocean ridge and deeply submerged Azores plateau may have been near or above the ocean surface making it possible there was a nearly Hawaii sized landmass right where Plato said. Sea mounts two miles down have rock deposited at the summit that only forms in air and did so within the last million years...
(Since the mid Atlantic ocean hasn't wandered much in far more time it follows the ocean floor has likely seen a lot more vertical movement than is appreciated.)
@@johnassal5838 There is evidence of water erosion by the richat structure. You can even see where the ripples are in the sand, also all the white spots you can see from Google earth are SALT deposits. There was clearly a cataclysmic event where water clearly moved southwest from the north of Africa.
Where would the salt come from if it has been dry for tens of thousands of years? We've found that the Sahara has cycles of lush greenery & the timeline plato spoke of lines up with the younger dryas which would explain massive flooding
@@BigGaines If there's salt then it's from being an arid environment that no water drains out of or persists in (it only evaporates) for most of the last 130,000 years. That's the end of an epoch of stone tools that covered everything In Africa but what was, and still is the center deep dessert. Also, the floods at the end of the last (or previous) ice age didn't effect everyplace on Earth. The mainstream view is normally that there were many smaller events too that would be even less severe and expansive than a few more massive events like if an asteroid struck the ice.
Even in the most severe and sudden scenario there would be no outflow anywhere near the Richat structure. Certainly nothing that could scrape away all trace of a sophisticated culture even if there was any way one could support itself there since before the last ice age even started.
In contrast the Atlas mountains are near the coast. The canary islands are a couple hundred miles off that coast, would've been much more expansive when sea level was 400 ft lower (and then the Azores past them, as well as the possibility the sea floor may also have rebounded raising even more islands.)
The canarys had an indigenous population that did not fare well after contact with mainland Europeans but had numerous similarities to west Indian natives. If they were descendants of a once thriving Atlantic analog to the much more recent Polynesians of the Pacific then they most likely had a colony in Mauritania and may have been aware of the Eye of the Sahara but it would not be able to support much of a local population, not even just visiting it.
@@johnassal5838 dude what are you talking about?🤣
@@ASMRJohn If you can't even tell what the topic of the vid is it's no wonder you can't follow what I wrote. 🤷♂️
Plato was a bigger troll than Diogenes
BEHOLD, A MAN.
"Let's dive in."
I've seen about Atlantis on Ancient Aliens. So I think it was real enough.
Research the Richat Structure.
2 questions for you; Did Plato wrote about old tales before, in order to preserve them as a historian /and did Plato ever wrote fiction before.
Plato wrote almost entirely fiction, or else embellished and expanded accounts of conversations that his teacher, Socrates, had with various "interlocutors," often said to have been told to Plato by second-hand or even third-hand accounts. It's almost impossible to corroborate wether these events occurred. There are a couple of instances, however, where other authors wrote about events that Plato tackled as well, like Xenophon's Symposium. For the most part though, unless both Plato had an absolutely perfect photographic memory, most of his work could be considered fiction. Especially because he often says "I heard about this 15-page conversation from some servant whose master was at a party where Socrates was."
Re: "old tales." Someone else who remembers more of his work may be able to add more examples, but Plato did occasionally include bits of myth in his writing, like when Aristophanes discusses the origins of Man in the Symposium. Can't remember if there are examples of more plausible bits of folklore or history in the dialogues though.
Fun fact there is a mountain of biblical manuscripts... Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of them..... yet we have next to nothing from Plato himself yet people don't seem to question Plato too often. Strange eh.
@@jonathansoko5368We do, or at least more than we have from JC or any of his contemporaries about him. There aren't even any biblical manuscripts in Armaic. And you haven't spent time in the right circles if you don't think people question Plato.
Even if we didn't many of his claims don't rely on his existence or sanctity for validity. As opposed to the biblical account of a (or several) charismatic Jew who thought the end of the world was around the corner because his homeland was ravaged by the Romans. Written at least three generations after the fact and edited and/or translated many, many hundred years after. Why would people write stuff down? Doomsday is just around the corner
If Plato wrote both fiction and nonfiction his judgment would be questionable. The factual things he did say would affect his appeal to authority portrayal.
Back then. Many people could not write. History was passed down verbally....through stories. Those who could write. Wrote what was told. Many cultures today still use this as a method of passing on the story of their people. By recasting the story word for word until they no it by heart. Plato did not write this as fiction. He even tells you that beforehand.
At about 5:22 the description given of Atlantis and the rings of moats and canals sounds like a description of the area around what would become Mexico City in our era. It was ringed by moats and lakes with canals branching off across the plains around it. One of the reasons it took Cortez so long to defeat the ancient city was due to that network of interlaced lakes, moats, and canals. I'm not saying that Tenochtitlan was Atlantis but it seems interesting that the descriptions could be considered similar.
Little known fact, during the last ice age the middle of the Atlatic ocean had a huge land mass that was swallowed by the ocean due to isostatic compensation after the ice melted away. This was proven by core samples taken from the mid-atlantic ridge by ship named The Atlantis in 1948, they found limestone rocks that lithified in the atmosphere around 12 thousand years ago and are now 2 miles below the ocean. Randall Carlson has done extensive research into this.
It’s not the mainstream narrative agreed on by some know it all academics
Yeah too bad it's an inconvenient Truth that mainstream narrative will never accept. The truth always comes to light though
@@gringopapi6985 Maybe because that still doesn’t prove its existence.
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Agree
Plato:"My source is I made it the f#*k up!!"
Plato: my source is that I made it the fuxk up
Interesting. Will be looking for more from you.
I appreciate that you didn’t throw in a bunch of click bait BS, just to lengthen the video!!!!
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If you actually look at Plato's writings on Atlantis you'd realize it was never a real place, it was a fictional utopia he used in his stories to teach moral lessons. Plato's writings are the only accounts we have of it, nobody else wrote about it. We've completely lost the plot thinking Atlantis was ever real, and its embarrassing.
Well put! It’s like looking for the Biblical Garden of Eden.
Thank you so much I am learning about things I never knew. Excellent channel.
Great video, I've always loved myths that pull upon allegorical or parable themes and the fall of Atlantis has been one of the great myths that can be applied to any nation that disappears or falls to its own hubris. Its probably my favorite theme in scifi and fantasy stories, the fall of an advanced civilization due to excessive greed, malice, sloth etc. I think because it hits home to being an American, the propaganda idea that we have some kind of promised land or the literal golden city on the hill that could never fall or be invaded vis-à-vis Rome.
The Greek city of Sybaris in Italy was renowned for its obsession with luxury and hedonistic pleasures -- aka Sybaritic. One of the Sybarites tried to sleep on a bed of rose petals but wasn't able to, because one of the petals was folded....
Legend holds that its decadence & opulence led to divine vengeance. But it was probably just subjugated by a rival city (Kroton) who coveted its abundance of natural resources and great wealth.
Plato may also have been influenced by the destruction of Helike in 373 BC. Destroyed by earthquake and tsunami -- due to "divine retribution by Poseidon."
The Richat Structure. That’s the Capital City of Atlantis.
I still say that the Eye of the Sahara is Atlantis.
That's the Earth's butthole, the wife open back door to Agartha. @lantis is down under water (so probably near Australia somewhere, m8)
@@garymericano I am intrigued though. Please leave a link for me to help substantiate your statement. Australia area is one that I’ve never heard of but I’m opened minded. I can send a link or 2 to help back up my claims. Thanks mate.
@@ManBoo55 And that's why you're a recluse on the internet who no one listens to :^)
The fact people still somewhat believe in Atlantis today makes Plato one of the most successful trolls of all time.
I usually enjoy these videos, but the typical arrogant historical take on Atlantis is simply the worst there is: "I don't know, therefore it doesn't exist; also I'm smarter than all the great intellects of antiquity to know this." Thumbs way down on this one.
This is just like Troy all over again. You'd think the so called academics would eventually learn not to be so arrogant.
By the way, of you actually read Plato you will notice that he is very clear and straightforward whenever he uses a story as allegory, and this isn't one of those cases.
Ethan, fella, no one knows whether or not Atlantis existed. Plato probably didn't know whether it existed. The one thing he did know, is that it sure as hell wasn't his invention, and this is objectively verifiable fact. So, no, Plato has trolled no one, its actually you getting accidentally trolled by academic snobbery.
Fascinating. Can’t wait for the next episode!
Glad you enjoyed it!
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The continent of Atlantis was an island
Which lay before the great flood
In the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean.
So great an area of land,
That from her western shores
Those beautiful sailors journeyed
To the South and the North Americas with ease,
In their ships with painted sails.
To the East Africa was a neighbor,
Across a short strait of sea miles.
The great Egyptian age is
But a remnant of The Atlantean culture.
The antediluvian kings colonized the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from far Atlantis.
Knowing her fate,
Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth.
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, The farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.
Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice
And let us sing
And dance and ring in the new Hail Atlantis!
Donovan diddled
"The Magician???"
The best explanation I've heard has been the submerged regions of Sardinia which are believed to have been inhabited by the Nuralgic kingdoms.
I am sorry aquatic themed strip clubs??? Please elaborate i need to know what that is
I wish I could tell you that Aquaman costumes were mandatory or that the dancers all wore mermaid tails...but in most cases, as far as I can tell, the Atlantis / aquatic theme isn't taken very seriously. Some hasty Googling reveals, however, that the Atlantis Gentlemen's club nearest my house has a "Plato's Penthouse" for big spenders - so kudos to them for staying on topic. One suspects, however, that nothing that happens in that room can be described as Platonic.
@@toldinstone so no mermaid tails i..i am a bit disapoint but than again just imaging a aquaman male striper makes me smile
Because it smells like a sea water flood inside I would assume.
The man says "fast paced." I love it.
Best impression of destiny I've heard.
Great content.
Thanks!
Atlantis is exactly where the Azores islands are now, with only the peaks poke out where the sea level used to be more than 150 yards below the present levels.
THANK YOU!!
I've had so many arguments over this
Fact ive lost count !! Parables confuse so many !! Poor Socrates ! 🙄
I enjoy your all videos !! Thxx again !!
And you still will, with people who understand that a parabolic contextual employment has nothing to do with whether or not the city had a basis in reality, especially considering it is a known fact that the story of Atlantis was passed down to Plato fron Solon, and not, as claimed in this video, his own invention.
Hopefully the people arguing with you will point out how wildly insane it is to just pass off an opinion about history as fact without any objective proof...
Solon and thanks for all the fish (queeen).
I stumbled across your channel today. Great videos about Ancient Rome. I really enjoy this Atlantis mini-series. 👍
Very glad to hear it!
Atlantis was undoubtably a real place, and Plato made it crystal clear he wasn't being allegorical when he described it.
opening frame and I'm already cracking a grin.
Atlantis invaded Athens and was punished with complete destruction?
Tolkien: *WRITE THAT DOWN*
Your the best
Man, this "playdough" guy sure is fascinating, now, I am still waiting for the part where Plato say anything about Atlantis.
Another great video! Thanks ❣
I look forward to the next installment!
Love this guys voice
Ironic when the club he shows in the beginning is in my hometown 😂😂
Bizarre
The Atlantis story is a old African tale that the philosophers of Greece brung back to Greece. Also many philosophies, art, science, & astronomy
Keep your nonsense Afrocentric revisionism
@@adolphusweimann9237 Some ppl don't like the Truth, I feel ya. Keep believing the bullshit U were taught 😆
@@christophermallory3400 yes because Africa is and always has been a beacon shining on a mountain top🤣
@@adolphusweimann9237 1st place where man came from 😆 your ridiculous funny
@@christophermallory3400 or of Africa theory has been debunked years ago🤣 try harder
There is also a recent theory that the Bosporus gave way, filling the Black Sea, and causing a major flood of inhabited areas.
people searching for atlantis also searched for: eden, hyperborea, lemuria.
people searching for eter are searching for black matter...invisible, undetectable...uh..
Well done and Thank You.
The story of Atlantis begins with Play Doh.
I thought Atlantis was actually the Minoan empire (located primarily on Crete) that had completely disappeared by Plato's time.
Santini
Or Myceneans. I am with you, there are many candidates of peoples that predated the Greek city states and could fit the bill.
@@GhostRanger5060 Minoan art is really beautiful, especially their vases and earthenware.
@@GhostRanger5060, but Mycenaeans we’re the ones that the oral stories of the Iliad, Odessey, Heracles, etc come from. It was a time full of myths but they never mentioned Atlantis, or at least it wasn’t passed down until Plato in classical times wrote about it and said it was a story from Egypt.
@@JakeConrad666 Great point. I think we probably need to go to the west coast of Africa -- Mauritania -- to find the original Atlantis.
Atlantis isnt a story based on bronze age collapse or minoians on crete or anything like that, its actually Atlanta, and it hasnt happen yet, as seen in the historical text "Futurama".
It was the eye of Sahara and the nation of Atlas reigned across most of the known world at the time. They became corrupted and were destroyed by “the wrath of god” and that is why they have made sure that no one researches the eye.
Atlantis was created in 6 days before resting... It merges the second Moon to the Water World Planet making a ripple effects... and its center is in Philippines in the Southeast Asia... These Atlanteans are from Mars, the first settlers...
Picture at 4:20 is very confusing
1:29 for a sec I thought you said Playdough 😄
Funny how they say it is an "island" but they draw it in all maps the size of a continent.......
Although not named "Atlantis" the origin of this legend is ancient Egypt. Within every legend there's a kernel of truth.
In January 2021, Luigi Usai, an independent researcher, released a new hypothesis according to which the sinking of Atlantis is due to the sudden melting of the ice following the glaciation called Würm. Geologists know that the level of the Mediterranean Sea reached -120 meters below the current level about 14,000 years ago. The so-called "Messinian salinity crisis" is also well known, during which Sardinia and Corsica were joined due to the lowering of the sea level by over a hundred meters, and it was possible to travel between them on foot. During the period of the war that broke out between Atlantis and Greece, that is, in 9600 BC, that is, about 11,600 years ago, geologists know that Sardinia and Corsica and a large part of the currently submerged coasts formed what appeared to be a large island, which was called in the third chapter of Timaeus and in Critias by Plato with the name of Atlantis.[125][126] At the center of the Atlantis plain and enclosed by the current Campidano plain, there would be what was the capital of Atlantis, also known by the name of Atlantis but today known by the name of Sulcis, and which started from a hill near the small village of Santadi and Masainas and Teulada, forming concentric circles of land and sea. It is still possible to notice how, starting from Santadi, the entire urban plan develops in concentric circles, even portions of mountains. There is also a vast toponymy related to the myth of Atlantis. In fact, as Usai points out, next to Santadi there are many places whose name recalls the hot and cold water sources created by Poseidon, who according to Usai was a simple man, probably a King, and not a God. Poseidon, placed a hot water source and a cold water source in the Capital of Atlantis. In fact, even today there are some hamlets of towns called "Acquacadda." (Hot Water, in the Campidanese Sardinian language), S'acqua callenti de basciu. (The Hot Water Below, in the Campidanese Sardinian dialect) and S'Acqua Callenti de Susu (The Hot Water Above, also in the Campidanese Sardinian dialect, the dialectal variant of the Sardinian language spoken in southern Sardinia), while in the nearby town of Siliqua the Zinnigas cold water source is still present today. Also in Siliqua, a small town also located in the province of Cagliari, the "Castello d'Acquafredda" still exists, currently known for the famous story told by Dante Alighieri about Count Ugolino, who had stayed there according to a legend passed down orally. The Acquafredda castle takes its name from the medieval town of Acquafredda, which disappeared a few centuries ago, whose name recalls the cold water source of Poseidon, while in the province of Carbonia Caput Acquas insists on the theme of water. Furthermore, Usai points out,Poseidon's tridents have been found carved in Neolithic and Paleolithic rocks found near the town of Laconi, in Sardinia. Next to Santadi there is a town called Narcao, which has two hamlets, called "Is Sais Superiore" and "Is Sais Inferiore"; this is a clear reference according to Usai, to the city of Sais in Egypt, where the high priest Sonchis revealed the story of Atlantis to Solon, the famous Greek politician. Furthermore, Sais is also a Sardinian surname. There are still two other interesting toponyms: Acqua Callentis[127] (another way of saying "Hot Water" in the Campidanese and Sulcitano Sardinian dialect), also known by the name of "Is Perdas" (i.e. "The Stones"): this location also recalls the sources of hot and cold water placed by Poseidon in the Platonic myth; and the locality of Terresoli (a crasis of Terra De Soli, or Land of the Sun in Sardinian Campidanese and Sulcitano) which closely resembles the name of Eliopolis, another city linked to the myth of Atlantis: in fact while Eliopolis in Greek means City of the Sun, Terresoli [128] means Land of the Sun. The locality of Piscinas is also found in Sulcis and takes up the theme of flooding: in Sardinian in fact this term is used to indicate a place where there has been an enormous stagnation of water. Usai's theory, which takes the name of "Sardinian-Corsican Atlantean paradigm", states that the species of elephants that Plato speaks of in Timaeus and Critias is that of the Mammuthus Lamarmorai, present on the Sardinian-Corsican island which is currently half-submerged, and of which remains have been found in at least three places in present-day Sardinia: in Gonnesa, in Sinis and in Alghero. At the end of the story of Atlantis, in the Timaeus, Plato states that the island was surrounded by mud that prevented navigation: this would have been caused by the erosion of the Sardinian-Corsican continental shelf by millennia of undertow. The island of Atlantis was the largest of all, according to Plato: in fact the Sardinian-Corsican geological block was an island of emerged land and is in fact the largest of all those in the Western Mediterranean, which according to Usai was called the Atlantic Ocean even before papyrus and scrolls dealing with geography were made, which is why no memory remains, and geography was later modified. In Atlantis there were the oldest old people: in fact Sardinia, which would only be an emerged plateau of Atlantis, is still famous throughout the world for its people of centenarians[129], in particular the population of the blue zone of Perdas De Fogu[130] [131] [132] [133]. Atlantis was rich in minerals, and in fact the mines of Sulcis are the oldest in Europe[134]. The Atlanteans were "tower builders" according to Platonic dialogues:and in fact there are over 7000 nuraghi present and studied and hundreds of others are continually discovered but not excavated. Usai also states that the ancient literary text of the Meropide deals with the island of Atlantis as a semi-submerged Sardinian-Corsican block: currently, however, all official texts consider the Meropide only a parody of the Platonic texts. The discovery in the rock shelter at Su Carroppu di Sirri of three ancient Sardinian individuals[135], two of whom have given the possibility of analyzing ancient DNA, has shown that this population of Sulcis does not date back to 8000 years ago as initially believed[136], but rather dates back to 11000 years ago[137], and the war between Atlantis and the first Greece mentioned in the Timaeus and the Critias broke out, according to Plato, 11600 years ago: this would seem to be a confirmation of the presence of a Sardinian population in the period in which the story of Atlantis is placed. The DNA found is different from the DNA of the Neolithic population that colonized the island of Sardinia about three thousand years later, and the analysis has shown that these populations of 11,000 years ago preyed on marine resources, that is, they ate seafood and lived along the coasts, in accordance with Usai's Atlantean paradigm. Plato states that in Atlantis they built using stones of three colors: black, red and white; the black stones would be obsidian[138] [139], in particular that of Monte Arci[140], which Sardinia exported throughout Europe for thousands of years and slate, the red rocks would be those of Arbatax[141] and Carloforte and others submerged in the Sardinian-Corsican paleocoasts. In the summer of 2024, archaeological works at the Nuraghe Miali of Pompu[142] brought to light black basalt ashlars which show the Nuragic habit of creating chromatic effects in architecture through the alternation of stones of various colours, in accordance with what Plato stated. The same phenomenon was found and certified at the Nuraghe Arrubiu[143] and the Nuraghe Palmavera and the Nuragic Palace of Barumini. The Pillars of Hercules would be the Faraglione Antiche Colonne of Carloforte[144] [145] as proposed by Giorgio Saba, still existing and of very ancient history[146], and not the Strait of Gibraltar as believed up to now by most theories: beyond the Pillars of Hercules of Carloforte therefore, there was a narrow port, that is the small port formed by the islands of Sant'Antioco and San Pietro, and outside this small port there was the real sea, called in Timaeus and Critias also Atlantic Ocean, but today called Western Mediterranean. The Sardinian-Corsican Atlantean paradigm proposes that the Atlanteans populated the Sardinian-Corsican continental platform currently semi-submerged in the Mediterranean, forced then to migrate when the eustatic level rose drastically [147], perhaps due to repeated Meltwater Pulses[148] [149],distributed over several millennia. These migrations would then take various names: Sumerians and Vascons, among others, giving rise to the megalithic civilization along the coasts of all Europe. In support of this Usai states that these peoples have agglutinative Semitic languages, an "Atlantean" characteristic; the Basques in fact have prehistoric carnival figures similar to the Sardinian ones because both peoples "come from Atlantis", that is, from the semi-submerged Sardinian Corsican geological block: the Joaldun[150], the Mamuthones, the Boes and the Merdules. Furthermore, the Basques would have brought the tradition of the bulls described by Plato in Timaeus and Critias, bulls that were venerated and respected in Atlantis, to Pamplona in Navarre the use of the Encierro, which then changed into the Spanish bullfight.
Do they mention how the story of Atlantis is considered a story passed down by the Egyptians?
Thoth writes that he dwelled amongst the men of Khem (Kemet) what they now call Egypt in the Emerald Tablets
0:11 also that 1968 song 'Atlantis' by Donovan
Interesting that the great flood and upheaval Plato described and his estimate of when it happened seems to correlate with science that shows perhaps a meteor struck the earth about 12,000 years ago. There's that to consider.
Yes!!! Well done it seems someone had done their research.
Agreed. Unfortunately it's been put off as a translation error since well before anyone knew that the Younger Dryas was full of events suspiciously like the destruction of Atlantis. Also there were no other indications of any kind of complex society or monument builders much before Dynastic Egypt five or six thousand years later. Now we know that people were building stone circles at Gobeki in Turkey almost as soon as the dust had settled. No doubt if the idea of ice-age civilizations had originated today it would be taken seriously but there is a hundred years worth of bias to overcome.
There's that to consider, and then forget about because it's so ridiculously speculative and is formed on the shittiest, shakiest "evidence" imaginable that makes all of history and archaeology look like a fucking clown show. Go back to reddit
The Mark Felton of ancient history
Why are you commenting this again?
@@famousbowl9926 to let it be known
You nailed it!
Many of us Mark Felton followers are secret devotees of ancient civilizations and mysteries!
Mark Felton doesn't present subjective theories as fact.
The flood wasn’t water. It was mudslides. Once you know that, it opens up where Atlantis could be located
what do you do when the most pragmatic historian on youtube tackles a giant myth? You click of course!
How interesting! Thanks for uploading!
Great way of presenting history! You make me laugh!!
Ok tell me if I'm wrong, but are you saying the only reason that you know he made Atlantis up was because he made stuff like that up all the time? Also was it genuinely not finished? I had always heard the rest of the dialogue was lost or illegible for some reason. Also where is the description of the tyrannical atlantic state? I had never heard that before but it's the reason he wrote it in the first place?
IF Atlantis was a real city it could have been the Richat Structure or as commonly known, the Eye of Africa. Open a flood map and set the water elevation to +410. There is no natural formation on this Earth that would fit better Plato's description of Atlantis. The mountain range, the two rings, the circle on the middle, the opening to the South. It's all there. So let's not be hasty to put down ancient scipts just because they are old since we already know that in many cases Greek myths are based on reality.
Really enjoy your content, thanks.
Atlantis is Minoan Crete that is what Plato was talking about not anywhere else.
The ancient Greek world took it for granted why does the modern world look everywhere but where the Greeks believed it to be?
Mythology is sane reality; Reality is insane mythology.
Socrates: I wrecked all you fools in the Republic and I'm tired, tell me a story...
5:22 where did you get this illustration of Atlantis I would like a copy
At 4:40, the north arrow is pointed toward the bottom of the map. This is highly unusual. Most maps have the north arrow pointing to the top of the map. This presents an element of confusion for people who don't know a lot about maps. This video would be better if that map was turned upside down.
Atlantis is the Richat Structure. You made a premature conclusion.
Firstly, Solon was not just one of Kriton's ancestors, as you just mention him.
Secondly, it is easy to consider Atlantis story as a parable. But you have to explain how a fiction story of his mind has achieved to describe a far continent on the other side of the "true ocean" that is Atlantic ocean? Just in the start of his first mention of the story of Atlantis, he writes:
"ἔξωθεν ὁρμηθεῖσαν ἐκ τοῦ Ἀτλαντικοῦ πελάγους. τότε γὰρ πορεύσιμον ἦν τὸ ἐκεῖ πέλαγος· νῆσον γὰρ πρὸ τοῦ στόματος εἶχεν ὃ καλεῖτε, ὥς φατε, ὑμεῖς Ἡρακλέους στήλας, ἡ δὲ νῆσος ἅμα Λιβύης ἦν καὶ Ἀσίας μείζων, ἐξ ἧς ἐπιβατὸν ἐπὶ τὰς ἄλλας νήσους τοῖς τότε ἐγίγνετο πορευομένοις, ἐκ δὲ τῶν νήσων ἐπὶ τὴν καταντικρὺ πᾶσαν ἤπειρον τὴν περὶ τὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκεῖνον πόντον."
I don't have to translate it into English, you can google its translation.
Thirdly, the worldwide disaster that led to the destruction of the Atlantis has a very specific chronological estimation according to Plato's description: around 9.000 years before Solon, ie 9.600 BC. There are many geological findings of great floods across the world that are dated around 9.600 BC and considered to be the outcome of last ice-age's melting...
I do not post here to argue that Atlantis story is true; this is not my aim. I post this comment to argue that you have not enough evidence that this story is a parable. It may very well be a myth that Plato had heard, a myth that, like all ancient myths, had some points of truth in it.
To claim that Atlantis story is not true is an easy task, as Plato had the obligation to prove it true and he did not. But to specifically claim that Altantis story is one parable is a really hard task. You have to prove somehow that a written story, that has some elements which have been proved true after centuries, was indeed only an outcome of its writer's imagination...
Graham Bruce Hancock would disagree with this video he would say Atlantis did exist.
Alma Mater: Durham University
He discuses Meltwater Pulse 1B in his book "Fingerprints of the Gods" published in 1995, according to Mr. Hancock proves Plato was correct when Plato said in his writings The Republic that Atlantis did in fact exist and gave dates that correlate to Meltwater Pulse 1B.
According to Graham Bruce Hancock.
A bit presumptive to assume with such certainty that Atlantis was a manufactured parable.
Plato be like, what if I went off track to do some sick world building
nice
You can’t really just say “yeah it’s just fake” with no evidence to support this idea man.
Yes you fucking can. For such a significant, huge population that lived on an entire continent, it's funny how there's literally no surviving material evidence
@@boozecruiser No, you fucking can't. Ever heard of Troy? Literally unanimously thought to be a legend, without historical basis until it was discovered. If I told you 30 years ago there was an advanced civilisation in Turkey 10,000 years ago, I would be 100% correct. There wouldn't be a jot of known surviving material evidence to back that claim up, because we hadn't discovered it yet. Its called Gozbeklitepe.
@@bibtebo Lmao people knew where Troy was until the end of antiquity, several Roman emperors visited Ilium to pay homage to the legend, and there was a town still at that site. Gozbeklitepe wasn't an advanced civilisation lmao. It's one of the earliest extant sites of sedentary peoples, but they weren't extraordinarily advanced, the site is unique because not many others like it have survived. Nothing about this or the Iliad was really that implausible.
Atlantis on the other hand is fantasy, in scale, description and history
I‘m not here to argue whether Atlantis existed or not. All I will say is that the date he puts on it‘s destruction fits neatly with the abrupt end of the last ice age. There are ice core samples indicating a sudden and extreme sealevel rise at just about the time of the supposed destruction of Atlantis. This should raise some questions, especially since we do not know for certain what has caused the end of the last ice age.
Interesting take on the story of Atlantis. Mega fauna was legend until it wasn't. Great floods were legend until they weren't. I understand the allegory of Atlantis. It still doesn't mean that there isn't a grain of truth to the stories.
TYVM!
"Plato used Athens as an example to prove a point. Therefore Athens never existed." 😂😂😂
Nice video... One thing to remember is that people also thought that Troy was also a fictional story.
There are things that add up to it possibly being real such a s the date of the destruction which lines up with the Younger Dryas mass extinction...
Yep, and the Younger Dryas theory has been validated since you wrote this comment a month ago.
A lot of people have a hard time viewing Atlantis because of the connections it has to pseudoarcheology. There is not factual evidence of Atlantis being real, so it is not logical to believe it is.
This is wrong because Plato wrote the exact dimensions of Atlantis. The most likely site of Atlantis is in Mauritania as it matches these dimensions. It’s called the Richat structure but it’s so large that you can’t miss it when using satellite imagery.
To begin with, 10.000 years before Plato's own time, the world was in the middle of the Ice age, and there wasn't even a sedentary civilization, or a civilization for that matter roaming around yet, let alone empires or the city of Athens itself.. I find it surprising that no one ever points out that part..
Look up Mauritania. They found Atlantis a while ago.
Platos repeatedly states that the story of Atlantis was a true story.
Where he states that exactly?
Like countless story tellers throughout history...
Plato doesn’t say it is a true story. He puts the story in the mouth of Critias the politician in a fictional dialogue.
Exactly, it's not like it is all mystery and shadows when it comes to ancient sages. They were actually pretty straightforward in their methods.