I was thinking the same. Considering that the Egyptian pharaohs had cocaine and tobacco in them, which only came from the Americas, I would not be surprised if the Phonecian trade network included far off places. We know that the vikings traveled to the Americas not too long afterwards, and they didn't have a massive empire. Asha Logos covers a lot of things like this.
@@Nighterlev Start by explaining how it is "beyond the pillars of Heracles" when the Eye of the Sahara is on a known continent and to the south of the straits of Gibraltar?
Plato: "I just want to invent some imaginary place, so my dialog has a point. I bet no one would think about this and has no consequences in the future." Some people in the future: "Where is Atlantis?"
Plato: "I am utilizing a known legend city passed down to me from generations before, as an allegorical device because its far more logical and simple than generating specific and random world building in my head. I bet no one would assume that because I used a legend in allegorical context, it therefore certifiably was an invention of my own and has no basis in reality, especially considering it is a verifiable objective fact that Atlantis was not my invention. People in the future: "duh its a platonic parable bruh"
if he was just a fool; then it's pretty amazing that this fool had soo many books and other people ; still read his teachings and writings to this day. what a lucky fool he is.
@@taitjones6310 seriously the professor asked one question on the final exam and it said why? People wrote volumes and I wrote, Because. I turned in my paper and got an A.
In the same book he talks about Atlantis in, he also claims that our heads are planets and our souls orbit around them. And the universe is made up of cubes pyramids and dodecahedrons. And the stars’ orbits operate in musical harmonies. If you’ve read his stuff you’d see his making up Atlantis is keeping in line with his methodology. This guys intellectual thought process was on a whole different level. He made stuff up all the time. I’m in no way diminishing his genius by that.
I don’t know about made up, but I definitely believe he just thought these things and there wasn’t anyone else around smart enough to challenge his thought
H o m o l u d e n s Dude! Troll much? And wouldn’t the use of a metaphor only strengthen the argument that he meant for Atlantis to represent his contemporary Athens? There was no doubt a myth about an ancient sunken city. I’m pretty sure that’s an ancient trope in every culture. But the way Plato describes it is way too descriptive. Especially something 9000! years before he was writing. He was using a literary device to strengthen his argument. Use your autocorrect.
Atlantis may be a myth or based on some historical reality, but Plato went to great lengths to give authenticity of this Parable (if it is merely a parable.) . Plato says that Solon was told of Atlantis by Egyptian priests and , if I recollect correctly, even mentions that the story was memorialized on a temple wall somewhere in Egypt, and that Solon actually visited that temple. It seems unlikely to me, that Plato, who was descended from Solon on his mother's side would invoke his renowned ancestor to provide authenticity to to his tale or even mention him if he (Plato) had invented the story himself. It would besmirch his ancestor's reputation for truthfulness in a falsehood of Plato's own creation. Not something a proud descendant would do to his ancestor. Given Plato's pride of family, his high-mindedness, and dislike of poets(who he banned from his Republic because their inventions are lies) mixing Solon into this invention seems to me unlikely. For this reason I think it likely Plato indeed had the story from family recollections of Solon's visit to Egypt. And he transmitted the story unchanged, as true. He then made use of it in his dialogue for his own philosophic and political reasons. Dismissing it as a mere invention is, I think, rather difficult unless his relationship to Solon is ignored. I would also point out that some modern writers have speculated that while Plato describes Atlantis as lying beyond the Pillars of Hercules (which is usually identified as Gibraltar,) there were actually two Pillars of Hercules in the Greek World,. The other Pillar was the Straits of the Dardanelles. This leads some to think that the war with Atlantis was actually a version of the Trojan War, and that Plato broke off the Timaeus at that point when he realized the connection. In like manner, I remember discussing with someone, whether the Trojan Horse was real or a poetic invention describing a battering ram. I take it that the Greeks knew the difference between a wooden horse and a battering ram. Battering rams were not invented until around the 7th century B.C. and first used by the Assyrians. And Homer, and the other poets of the Trojan Cycle described very exactly warfare in the late Bronze age. If they don't describe battering rams it is because they weren't in use. In conclusion, I offer no opinion as to the veracity of the Atlantis story or myth (although I think it certainly possible) but I do believe that Plato thought it was true, and would not have offered it as factually true, if he knew that it was not. The idea of great cities being sunk beneath the seas is more credible today in the light of the discovery of Heracleion in Egypt and several other submerged cities in the Mediterranean. Not too long ago about a half million people in Indonesia were killed when a tsunami swept over their island. Civilization in the Bronze Age was real, but frail. So it is entirely believable that a small center of civilization could be destroyed very quickly by a natural disaster be it a tsunami or a volcanic eruption or the like and disappear practically without a trace in a matter of a few days. Not a pleasant thought, but not one to be dismissed out of hand.
Frank, you said: "So it is entirely believable that a small center of civilization could be destroyed very quickly by a natural disaster be it a tsunami or a volcanic eruption or the like and disappear practically without a trace in a matter of a few days. Not a pleasant thought, but not one to be dismissed out of hand." Or, in similar vein, a volcanic eruption next to the island that caused the southern end of the island to collapse into the sea followed by a tsunami that drowned the citadel, temples (positioned in the form of a rosette), and main city of Atlantis/Aztlan and so many living creatures.
Ezekiel 26 in the Bible provides description of the island of Tyre as the lost city of Atlantis, which was ruled by King Tyre, who was Lucifer in the flesh who is described as the anointed cherub that walked with God in the Garden of God up and down on the stones of fire. The Lord God even says in Ezekiel 26:21 that although the city will be sought after, it will never be found.
He hasn't really disproved what Plato said. He just calls him a liar because he often mixes myth and fable into his discussions. However, myth often has an element of truth. The Eye of the Sahara theory for Atlantis is very plausible.
Troas, a corrupted Greek name for Troy, was well known in the first century and still exists as a small modern city today. It's even in the New Testament. Yet for some reason, antiquarians regarded it as a myth. And then, lo and behold, a digging on the outskirts of the modern site uncovered the ruins dating back to the ancient period... and Troy was "found." The experts are often wrong. Especially modern ones. The earliest recognized "archeologists" had few academic credentials and were rank amateurs compared to modern "experts." Yet they made incredible finds of places and things once considered myth.
@@GhostRanger5060 The earlier "amateurs", were imo, way more of the dirty hands, hard work of actually digging just from local legend "hear say" that archeology has its roots from. Those "amateurs" are really experts the modern experts wish they were. As you said, most archeologist are more book educated than actual trips into the field. All of this just imo though, as I'm not an expert in archeology. 😂🙂
@Blank Name -- Bravo!! People want to believe so badly. I've always been a realist and look at everything through that lense. Unfortunately we have to deal with Atlantis, aliens, big foot, UFO's, flat earth, etc. It's so hard navigating through the muck to find reality anymore........
plato: "this is atlantis, atlantis is a very corrupt and bad government" people: "ok, but where is atlantis?" plato: "ah... so you don't get the point huh"
He's not even the only one of his contemporaries to talk about Atlantis or it's location. Clearly he didn't make it up, even if indeed it was all made up which is far from clear.
@@kakyoindonut3213 I'd bet it's in the Azores. There's a submerged plateau that matches Plato's description presently in the deep between two of the main islands of today. It's just not the size of Australia, though it's similar to Hawii. The only fly in the ointment is that it's way below the 400 feet that sea level was lower 10k years ago but that may not be a deal breaker. There's mostly ignored geological work from the 1950s-60s that suggest deep ocean features like the tops of sea mounts like the Mid Atlantic Ridge and the Azores plateau (which lies at a juncture of the MAR and another spreading fault) could've been at or above the surface. There were fossil beds of shallow sea life dredged up in the 1930's from miles down. This was before carbon dating and hasn't been revisited afaik. Likewise that geologic evidence I mentioned shows that many of these sea mounts more than half a mile down are capped in rock that _only forms in air_ and was dated to under a million years, basically the lower limit of available dating techniques. Even a million years ago it's unexpected that the sea floor could rise or fall that far. So, orthodox theory says that even during the iceage these mountains should've been at least 2000 feet underwater. But Earth's oceans plates are thinner than it's continental plates and during that ice age the two miles of ice piled on North America includes a lot of mass off that plate representative of the 400ft sea level drop even as it pushed the entire continental plate down some _and_ buckled the plate near the center of the ice cap another 2000 feet down. It's possible the Atlantic plate rose and rose more/faster near the MAR with it acting like a hinge... And potentially having the opposite effect as the ice cap melted and sea levels rose, probably accelerating how much and how fast that plateau was impacted. If you just read Plato's retelling of Strabo's account you go west from Pillars of Hercules, past a band of bars and islands then you get to Atlantis in the middle of another clump of islands _then_ there's a long chain of islands running north/south and past that a large continent. Which sounds exactly like someone was looking at a globe that showed the MAR when they described it like I was when I first heard it as a kid. Or moving around a few million, trillion tons makes the crust lift noticably where it's especially thin.
At about 5:22 the description given of Atlantis and the rings of moats and canals sounds like a description of the area around what would become Mexico City in our era. It was ringed by moats and lakes with canals branching off across the plains around it. One of the reasons it took Cortez so long to defeat the ancient city was due to that network of interlaced lakes, moats, and canals. I'm not saying that Tenochtitlan was Atlantis but it seems interesting that the descriptions could be considered similar.
I've heard that the Mediterranean Sea was once much lower and that the Atlantic Ocean burst through a barrier during an earthquake at the Gates of Hercules. I believe there are Mycenean cities under the waters of the Med. Those ancient Myceneans are under-rated. They were probably the original "Atlanteans" of Plato's Republic. But that's just my theory.
I think your timeline is off. There are indeed several places in Europe and the Near East that show signs of massive floods. The Black Sea for one, but also the Persian Gulf and yes, at Gibraltar as well. However these events happened tens of thousand of years ago to several thousand years ago at the end of the last Ice Age. If memory serves me well, then the Atlantic spilling into the Mediterranean was the oldest event at around 20-30 thousand years ago, then the Black Sea 10-20 thousand years ago, and the youngest of them was a great flood of the Persian Gulf 8-10 thousand years ago. What you are referring to is the Thera (Santorini) volcano, which basically destroyed most of the island, and wiped out much of the Greek and Cretan cities on the coast in the 1500’s BCE. Regardless, I always wondered if folk tales and myths have recorded albeit in a very distorted form events or motifs from tens of thousands of years ago or even earlier? It’s literally impossible to tell but I do wonder if any mythical characters or character traits, archetypes were inspired originally by say for example, Neanderthals.
Plato got his story from an older Greek individual who heard the story from the Egyptians 200 years previously. You can actually see where it was supposed to be located on the map of the world as Herodytus described it 70 years before Plato heard the story. Atlantis, or Atlantes, was an Empire in Western Africa that was devastated by cataclysmic flooding 11,600 years ago. Stretched from the Pillars of Gibraltar southwards. All of this looking under the ocean bullshit is a waste of time and money.
@@Xynth25 You are correct. I am starting to accept the idea that the Richat Structure in Mauritania may be the original location and have recently rejected the entire Minoan/Mycenean origin theory for Atlantis.. I know people will argue that the Richat Structure is too high of an altitude or that it's a natural feature but I believe in catastrophism, the concept that the world and its history are shaped by great disasters. The Richat Structure could have been destroyed in a massive earthquake that reshaped the west coast of Africa. There are signs of both massive erosion and volcanism at the site. Ancient maps and histories do put the name Atlantis to the West Coast of Africa. Only our Euro/Mideast-centric mindset makes the idea hard to accept. Thank you.
The Mediterranean was once completely blocked off from the Atlantic with what's believed to have been a huge valley with a much smaller sea at the bottom about a half mile below present sea level. The Atlantic wouldn't have been that much lower, it's just there's not enough water flowing into the Med with Gibraltar blocked to fill it very high before evaporation removes it. But that's believed to have been several million years ago with the Atlantic breaking through something like 5 million years ago. *WAY* before modern humans or even even Homo Erectus existed. So that's another big impressive geologic feature and/or flood that's also nothing to do with Atlantis. Sorry.
If archeologist and historians don’t have a paved road with traffic signs and a full written explanation of what a place/structure was then for fact is ether a myth, a tomb or a sanctuary.
@@dustyclery8791 lol, went so far above his head, that it was funny. It actually made me *really* chuckle, and not just that puff of air through the nose "laugh". Haha
@@Oddball5.0 Just like anything today it’s all about money. If it makes them money they’ll stretch the truth or even tell flat out lies. A lot of things about ancient Egypt have been proven wrong yet they won’t even engage in the conversation.
So the story of Atlantis is yet another parable about the cycle of civilisation: from establishment, growth, agreement, complacency, corruption, destruction. Like the story of the Tower of Babel, or indeed history itself, from ancient Greece and Rome, to the British Empire, to the Soviet Union and the US hegemony we see today
@Just think Sources include Wikipedia and Business Insider - seems legit. So he saw the same thing we see today and concluded the same thing some of us really want to conclude today, then develops the parable
Sorry to hear that. It's a bone dry geologic structure that's been all but lifeless for tens of thousands of years. It's big, it's weird and it's striking but it's not man-made and never had alternating rings of water. You could make the case it somehow got conflated into the legend in antiquity based on the nearby Atlas mountains, Atlas being inextricably linked to the Atlantis myth and a likely spot for a colony that could've survived them. But Plato described it being lost 10,000 years ago _beyond_ Gibraltar, past the Pillars of Hercules, outside an area with sand bars and beyond what sounds like the canary islands placing Atlantis itself in the Azores. This at a time (unless you accept the "typo theory" that Plato misunderstood the Egyptian 10 centuries as 10 millennia) when sea level was at least 400 feet lower and all those islands considerably bigger. The assertion that Plato was misquoting the earlier Strabo or that Strabo had mistranslated the number from his Egyptian sources is based solely in the fact that there was never any evidence to support even one civilization building settlements or monuments before the early Egyptians five thousand years later. Except now we know of sites in Turkey that people occupied and carved stone monuments at made virtually right after the same period Atlantis was said to perish in more or less the exact sort of catastrophes we know would've been occuring. It's more silly now to ignore that. There are even indications that the mid ocean ridge and deeply submerged Azores plateau may have been near or above the ocean surface making it possible there was a nearly Hawaii sized landmass right where Plato said. Sea mounts two miles down have rock deposited at the summit that only forms in air and did so within the last million years... (Since the mid Atlantic ocean hasn't wandered much in far more time it follows the ocean floor has likely seen a lot more vertical movement than is appreciated.)
@@johnassal5838 There is evidence of water erosion by the richat structure. You can even see where the ripples are in the sand, also all the white spots you can see from Google earth are SALT deposits. There was clearly a cataclysmic event where water clearly moved southwest from the north of Africa. Where would the salt come from if it has been dry for tens of thousands of years? We've found that the Sahara has cycles of lush greenery & the timeline plato spoke of lines up with the younger dryas which would explain massive flooding
@@BigGaines If there's salt then it's from being an arid environment that no water drains out of or persists in (it only evaporates) for most of the last 130,000 years. That's the end of an epoch of stone tools that covered everything In Africa but what was, and still is the center deep dessert. Also, the floods at the end of the last (or previous) ice age didn't effect everyplace on Earth. The mainstream view is normally that there were many smaller events too that would be even less severe and expansive than a few more massive events like if an asteroid struck the ice. Even in the most severe and sudden scenario there would be no outflow anywhere near the Richat structure. Certainly nothing that could scrape away all trace of a sophisticated culture even if there was any way one could support itself there since before the last ice age even started. In contrast the Atlas mountains are near the coast. The canary islands are a couple hundred miles off that coast, would've been much more expansive when sea level was 400 ft lower (and then the Azores past them, as well as the possibility the sea floor may also have rebounded raising even more islands.) The canarys had an indigenous population that did not fare well after contact with mainland Europeans but had numerous similarities to west Indian natives. If they were descendants of a once thriving Atlantic analog to the much more recent Polynesians of the Pacific then they most likely had a colony in Mauritania and may have been aware of the Eye of the Sahara but it would not be able to support much of a local population, not even just visiting it.
So, Plato's primary form of writing is in this same conversational format. Literally entirely made up conversations. Yet people think that Atlantis is real? Come on.
Plato wrote almost entirely fiction, or else embellished and expanded accounts of conversations that his teacher, Socrates, had with various "interlocutors," often said to have been told to Plato by second-hand or even third-hand accounts. It's almost impossible to corroborate wether these events occurred. There are a couple of instances, however, where other authors wrote about events that Plato tackled as well, like Xenophon's Symposium. For the most part though, unless both Plato had an absolutely perfect photographic memory, most of his work could be considered fiction. Especially because he often says "I heard about this 15-page conversation from some servant whose master was at a party where Socrates was." Re: "old tales." Someone else who remembers more of his work may be able to add more examples, but Plato did occasionally include bits of myth in his writing, like when Aristophanes discusses the origins of Man in the Symposium. Can't remember if there are examples of more plausible bits of folklore or history in the dialogues though.
Fun fact there is a mountain of biblical manuscripts... Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of them..... yet we have next to nothing from Plato himself yet people don't seem to question Plato too often. Strange eh.
@@jonathansoko5368We do, or at least more than we have from JC or any of his contemporaries about him. There aren't even any biblical manuscripts in Armaic. And you haven't spent time in the right circles if you don't think people question Plato. Even if we didn't many of his claims don't rely on his existence or sanctity for validity. As opposed to the biblical account of a (or several) charismatic Jew who thought the end of the world was around the corner because his homeland was ravaged by the Romans. Written at least three generations after the fact and edited and/or translated many, many hundred years after. Why would people write stuff down? Doomsday is just around the corner
If Plato wrote both fiction and nonfiction his judgment would be questionable. The factual things he did say would affect his appeal to authority portrayal.
Back then. Many people could not write. History was passed down verbally....through stories. Those who could write. Wrote what was told. Many cultures today still use this as a method of passing on the story of their people. By recasting the story word for word until they no it by heart. Plato did not write this as fiction. He even tells you that beforehand.
Atlantis was created in 6 days before resting... It merges the second Moon to the Water World Planet making a ripple effects... and its center is in Philippines in the Southeast Asia... These Atlanteans are from Mars, the first settlers...
Little known fact, during the last ice age the middle of the Atlatic ocean had a huge land mass that was swallowed by the ocean due to isostatic compensation after the ice melted away. This was proven by core samples taken from the mid-atlantic ridge by ship named The Atlantis in 1948, they found limestone rocks that lithified in the atmosphere around 12 thousand years ago and are now 2 miles below the ocean. Randall Carlson has done extensive research into this.
Great video, I've always loved myths that pull upon allegorical or parable themes and the fall of Atlantis has been one of the great myths that can be applied to any nation that disappears or falls to its own hubris. Its probably my favorite theme in scifi and fantasy stories, the fall of an advanced civilization due to excessive greed, malice, sloth etc. I think because it hits home to being an American, the propaganda idea that we have some kind of promised land or the literal golden city on the hill that could never fall or be invaded vis-à-vis Rome.
The Greek city of Sybaris in Italy was renowned for its obsession with luxury and hedonistic pleasures -- aka Sybaritic. One of the Sybarites tried to sleep on a bed of rose petals but wasn't able to, because one of the petals was folded.... Legend holds that its decadence & opulence led to divine vengeance. But it was probably just subjugated by a rival city (Kroton) who coveted its abundance of natural resources and great wealth. Plato may also have been influenced by the destruction of Helike in 373 BC. Destroyed by earthquake and tsunami -- due to "divine retribution by Poseidon."
The continent of Atlantis was an island Which lay before the great flood In the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean. So great an area of land, That from her western shores Those beautiful sailors journeyed To the South and the North Americas with ease, In their ships with painted sails. To the East Africa was a neighbor, Across a short strait of sea miles. The great Egyptian age is But a remnant of The Atlantean culture. The antediluvian kings colonized the world All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas In all legends from all lands were from far Atlantis. Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth. On board were the Twelve: The poet, the physician, The farmer, the scientist, The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends. Though Gods they were - And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind Let us rejoice And let us sing And dance and ring in the new Hail Atlantis!
My yoga guru, who taught us meditation, said Atlantis really did exist, and so did Lemuria. He said Atlantis was "beyond the Pillars of Hercules", just as Plato did. On another occasion, he told some of the other yoga monks that Atlantis was beyond the Iberian peninsula. The personal assistant of my guru told me that Atlantis went as far north as the Faroe Islands, and he aslo told how far east and south and west it went, but I'm not good at geography so I don't remember what those other places were. My guru said if we wanted to find some interesting evidence of Atlantis we'd have to dig off the northern coast of Spain. But it's very deep, would be very difficult to get to, would be very expensive, and would probably require the funding of the United Nations.
I usually enjoy these videos, but the typical arrogant historical take on Atlantis is simply the worst there is: "I don't know, therefore it doesn't exist; also I'm smarter than all the great intellects of antiquity to know this." Thumbs way down on this one. This is just like Troy all over again. You'd think the so called academics would eventually learn not to be so arrogant. By the way, of you actually read Plato you will notice that he is very clear and straightforward whenever he uses a story as allegory, and this isn't one of those cases.
Ethan, fella, no one knows whether or not Atlantis existed. Plato probably didn't know whether it existed. The one thing he did know, is that it sure as hell wasn't his invention, and this is objectively verifiable fact. So, no, Plato has trolled no one, its actually you getting accidentally trolled by academic snobbery.
@@garymericano I am intrigued though. Please leave a link for me to help substantiate your statement. Australia area is one that I’ve never heard of but I’m opened minded. I can send a link or 2 to help back up my claims. Thanks mate.
At 4:40, the north arrow is pointed toward the bottom of the map. This is highly unusual. Most maps have the north arrow pointing to the top of the map. This presents an element of confusion for people who don't know a lot about maps. This video would be better if that map was turned upside down.
Ive studied the heck out of Antiquity. I can't help it.. Every time I see a story about Atlantis my mind wanders to The Sea People. Does anyone else feel some sort of connection between the two? (P.S. fantastic topic, great content. Thank you.)
Would Plato have even known about the sea people? That Bronze Age collapse was a long time ago from his point of view and they were more a problem for the Hittites and Egyptians since by that point Greece was in chaos already as their society collapsed thanks to volcanic intervention. It is clear that the Greeks knew that some sort of civilization came before theirs and they were passingly curious about it but they don’t seem to have known much about what came before their dark age began.
The Sea People are understudied. The Phoenicians, the Philistines of Canaan, and the Carthaginians all "came from the sea." Usually the experts state they all came from the Nile delta area. Yet they clearly were NOT Egyptian. Others say they are from Crete... and certainly the pre-Greek Minoan and Mycenean civilizations were candidates. They also are candidates for the original "Atlanteans." What do we know of Carthage? There are ancient ruins in places like Malta and at the bottom of both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans that are ignored by conventional historians. Google "Nan Midol on Pohnpei" to see what I mean.
THANK YOU!! I've had so many arguments over this Fact ive lost count !! Parables confuse so many !! Poor Socrates ! 🙄 I enjoy your all videos !! Thxx again !!
And you still will, with people who understand that a parabolic contextual employment has nothing to do with whether or not the city had a basis in reality, especially considering it is a known fact that the story of Atlantis was passed down to Plato fron Solon, and not, as claimed in this video, his own invention. Hopefully the people arguing with you will point out how wildly insane it is to just pass off an opinion about history as fact without any objective proof...
@@GhostRanger5060, but Mycenaeans we’re the ones that the oral stories of the Iliad, Odessey, Heracles, etc come from. It was a time full of myths but they never mentioned Atlantis, or at least it wasn’t passed down until Plato in classical times wrote about it and said it was a story from Egypt.
I wish I could tell you that Aquaman costumes were mandatory or that the dancers all wore mermaid tails...but in most cases, as far as I can tell, the Atlantis / aquatic theme isn't taken very seriously. Some hasty Googling reveals, however, that the Atlantis Gentlemen's club nearest my house has a "Plato's Penthouse" for big spenders - so kudos to them for staying on topic. One suspects, however, that nothing that happens in that room can be described as Platonic.
If you actually look at Plato's writings on Atlantis you'd realize it was never a real place, it was a fictional utopia he used in his stories to teach moral lessons. Plato's writings are the only accounts we have of it, nobody else wrote about it. We've completely lost the plot thinking Atlantis was ever real, and its embarrassing.
Atlantis isnt a story based on bronze age collapse or minoians on crete or anything like that, its actually Atlanta, and it hasnt happen yet, as seen in the historical text "Futurama".
Atlantis is exactly where the Azores islands are now, with only the peaks poke out where the sea level used to be more than 150 yards below the present levels.
IF Atlantis was a real city it could have been the Richat Structure or as commonly known, the Eye of Africa. Open a flood map and set the water elevation to +410. There is no natural formation on this Earth that would fit better Plato's description of Atlantis. The mountain range, the two rings, the circle on the middle, the opening to the South. It's all there. So let's not be hasty to put down ancient scipts just because they are old since we already know that in many cases Greek myths are based on reality.
Interesting that the great flood and upheaval Plato described and his estimate of when it happened seems to correlate with science that shows perhaps a meteor struck the earth about 12,000 years ago. There's that to consider.
Agreed. Unfortunately it's been put off as a translation error since well before anyone knew that the Younger Dryas was full of events suspiciously like the destruction of Atlantis. Also there were no other indications of any kind of complex society or monument builders much before Dynastic Egypt five or six thousand years later. Now we know that people were building stone circles at Gobeki in Turkey almost as soon as the dust had settled. No doubt if the idea of ice-age civilizations had originated today it would be taken seriously but there is a hundred years worth of bias to overcome.
There's that to consider, and then forget about because it's so ridiculously speculative and is formed on the shittiest, shakiest "evidence" imaginable that makes all of history and archaeology look like a fucking clown show. Go back to reddit
Nice video... One thing to remember is that people also thought that Troy was also a fictional story. There are things that add up to it possibly being real such a s the date of the destruction which lines up with the Younger Dryas mass extinction...
A lot of people have a hard time viewing Atlantis because of the connections it has to pseudoarcheology. There is not factual evidence of Atlantis being real, so it is not logical to believe it is.
Atlantis is Minoan Crete that is what Plato was talking about not anywhere else. The ancient Greek world took it for granted why does the modern world look everywhere but where the Greeks believed it to be?
Plata even mentioned the exact location where Atlantis was. Its on the most north western part of Africa. You can even still see the markings on the ground that plato described Atlantis to look like.
What is striking, however, is how accurately the date quoted by Plato, i.e. 9,000+ years before his time, taking into account that he died in the middle of the IV c. BC, aligns with the Younger Dryas datings. For those unaware of the subject, the YD was a period of approximately 1,000 years, that ended aroud 9,700 BC, during which the entire planet underwent a sudden, severe cooling, and a subsequent global cataclysm. The cause of it is still unclear, it might have been due to the alteration of thermal currents in the Atlantic, caused by flooding from a post-glacial lake in North America, or it might have been caused by a comet impact, or a series of smaller impacts. The YD has been associated with the global megafauna extintion around that time (mammoths, sabletooth tigers, etc.), with the disappearance of the Clovis culture and with the rise of agriculture. Numerous speculations about the YD impact on lost, hypothetical civilizations, also have been proposed, backed by many independent findings, such as Gobekli Tepe, alternative Sphinx datings, and various sunk, underwater constructions all around the world. Plato, allegedly, might have based his story on old manuscripts, that were based on even far older writings, which might have kept memory, of an actual lost civilization, around the YD cataclysm. Far be it from me to say, that all this, rather flimsy, speculation and conjectures, is evidence for the existence of Atlantis. Nevertheless, the fact that Plato, placed this developed, and suddenly destroyed, civilization, exactly at a date, that he would have quoted, if he had wanted to allude to a factual, historic event, is something that I find to be, at the very least, a very interesting coincidence.
If you read the Timaeus word for word, it's doesn't sound anything like an "allegory" or "myth". It sounds like Kritias, nearly 90 years old, told Plato, sometime in the past, the story he had heard when he was only 10 years old during a boy's poetry recital. While Sokrates was present that day, Plato asked Kritias to tell the story again. During the recital, Kritias had heard this boy reciting the story of Solon's visit to the Egyptian priest about Atlantis. Kritias the elder responds with "too bad Solon wasn't more serious about poetry or he would've completed the story he brought from Egypt and would have become more famous than poets like Hesiod and Homer". I'm not sure exactly who is speaking in the final paragraph (Kritias, Plato, Amynander?), but the speaker says that he wasn't sure whether or not he could remember the story he had heard until Kritias began telling it, then the memories of it came flooding back mostly the same, and that it's amazing how "the lessons of one’s childhood “grip the mind,” as the saying is". Doesn't sound like anything to me other than Plato attempting to record an actual story that was intriguing to him.
There's increasing evidence for a past advanced civilization that was wiped out, that we have no knowledge of. Who knows what it was actually called - but to dismiss the whole notion as just a story told by Plato is shortsighted and disappointing.
@@Gongall gobekli teppe, like only 6000 before sumerians maybe? and more t-shape pillars yuuuhh, if you add the time needed for a culture to develope to that point plus building and using it...some cathedrals have almost 1000years and still in use...we would have to add minum of another 1000/2000 years more, so lets say 9000, older than sumerians....sooo not even sumerians had a clue gobekli ever existed ? for what it seems and now there is the "dilema" of Harapa, the indus valley
The Ancient City mentioned in Timaeus and Critias actually exists. The ruins were excavated years ago by a German Archeologist however they had been so looted that the columns that would have mentioned Atlantis no longer exist! The Pillars of Hercules mentioned would have been the Gates of Gibraltar not the other various locations that people keep diverting to, there is a lot of evidence to show that as well. This would have been close to 11,500 years ago very close to the end of the last ice age. Atlantis was going to Wipe Greece from existence, and as the Atlanteans were already heading to attack" Atlantis was consumed! (Great Flood Story Matches the Time) This does not say they all died, the way it reads, some of them would have already been on main land instead of the Island! So what part of this for me makes it unrealistic opposed to realistic. The Atlanteans language! Some would have survived yet their writing and language just disappeared? Why? Makes no sense. Now we know from modern DNA analysis that King Tut is from the U.K. Ireland Area that's where his families DNA matches to. It's possible that the language went back to a Rudimentary form, worked it's way up and around back through Latin and into what we have today, but that' is a stretch at best. Why regress like that, back to Hieroglyphics, to the Phoenicians form of writing up to Ancient Latin and Greek, to modern Latin. I mean the Celts war with the ancient Greeks was 1200 years before Rome even existed at all, they populated the British Celtic Islands and it's their DNA that matches with King Tut's as well as others around the Mediterranean, they did have Ancient Ruins but nothing like they should have had for a language. I don't know. A lot of things that support Atlantis could have been real, but the Language and the Missing Writings is kind of a deal breaker for me. With that said there are more Ruins just North of the African City described by Plato that had been looted, that is in the Mediterranean Sea, and falls to the same time period. Maybe some writings carved in the marble and stone in this location will have something. I would think there would be a lot of writings though, like scattered around the globe type of evidence. So I have to admit that even though there is some hope for a new historical find, my hopes are not all that high. After all the Greeks told Fantastic Stories so they would be remembered, some times really fantastic stories to hold a little bit of truth! You never know!
last line "you never know" you do know if you analytically disect it like a detective then you do know. but you dont seem too all of this paragraph is bullshit king tuts dna is not from uk ireland and it barely connects too any points you made. Make up your mind on your views.
@@Ifeelmylegssubtely 1st off LOL - love how you strung those letters together in that last post. 2ndly R1b has two primary branches: R1b1a-L754 and R1b1b-PH155. R1b-L754 has two subclades: R1b1a1a2-M269, which predominates in Western Europe. King Tut's haplo group is - haplogroup R1b1a2 which is what more than 50 percent of all men in or from Western Europe carry. Hence the U.K. and Ireland! Tada!
Oh yes because believing everything that mainstream media tells you is for the clever people am I right? Every time something like this that is based in reality, but not completely understood is brought up, there is never missing the typical dude that feels smarter than anyone else so he just bashes what he fails to even research. Thank god not everyone is like you or there would be no progress in this world with such a square minded attitude.
I usually enjoy these videos, but the typical arrogant historical take on Atlantis is simply the worst there is: "I don't know, therefore it doesn't exist; also I'm smarter than all the great intellects of antiquity to know this." Thumbs way down on this one. This is just like Troy all over again. You'd think the so called academics would eventually learn not to be so arrogant. By the way, of you actually read Plato you will notice that he is very clear and straightforward whenever he uses a story as allegory, and this isn't one of those cases. If you make the claim that it doesn't exist, it falls on you to prove that claim. Absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence. The simple and most sensible take here is to simply admit that we don't know and then choose to believe the ancients or not. Historians however, and academics in general, arrogant as they are, think that whatever they don't know simply doesn't exist, which is laughable, considering cases like Troy.
@@servus_incognitus you do know for centuries people have believed Troy was a real place before they found it. There were arguments about where it was located and whether or not the Trojan war had actually happened. Not to mention unlike Atlantis, Troy has been mentioned in records of nearby civilizations such as the Hittites where they were referred to as ‘Wilusa’ which is another name used by Homer for Troy. The issue with Atlantis is that there are no real mentions of it other than by Plato. The academics never ‘actually’ argued about the existence of Troy only location and whether or not the war had actually happened. Please don’t compare apples to oranges
Yet another example of surrealism. It has never existed, yet millions of people heard of it and believe in it. And suggest locations like Santorin, Malta etc. For an ancient Greek sailor who sailed not far from the land anything found in the open sea was quickly lost (or sunk) in the sea. How would they register their "terra incognitos" (specially as they didn't care to write anything and perhaps visited those places once in their lives) only in their legends!
Yet another example of superiority complex. There is literally no way for anyone to say with total certainty whether or not the city of Atlantis was real, yet millions of people have been told an interpretation that it is a parabolic invention of the philosopher Plato's and somehow feel confident in stating that it objectively didn't exist based on that alone, when in fact there is simply nothing to suggest whether or not it did exist, but what has become abundantly clear in the last few decades is 1. There were ancient civilisations we didn't know about from that era, who were far more advanced than we would have ever expected. 2. There was a major global climate event around this time which would have been enough to eradicate a civilisation 3. There are actually a multitude of locations which have come to light as very convcing candidates (the two you mentioned are rubbish).
Love your channel but employing Atlantis as a subject in a parable doesn't require it to be a fictional place. This seems fallacious. In fact it lends credit to the parable when something the intended audience knows to be true is employed as an example. I don't know if Atlantis is real or not but your logic seemed flawed to me
@@blauwzakjecrack that's a funny joke if you're implying Disney world is a fake af shitshow being used to dupe people out of money with an "experience" held up by duct tape. If you think Atlantis is real I will NEVER stop laughing at you.
@Hyper Borean Everything you said is a delusion, girls are girls and so are trans women. Get lost boomer and remember to take your antipsycotics next time
I usually enjoy these videos, but the typical arrogant historical take on Atlantis is simply the worst there is: "I don't know, therefore it doesn't exist; also I'm smarter than all the great intellects of antiquity to know this." Thumbs way down on this one. This is just like Troy all over again. You'd think the so called academics would eventually learn not to be so arrogant. By the way, of you actually read Plato you will notice that he is very clear and straightforward whenever he uses a story as allegory, and this isn't one of those cases. If you make the claim that it doesn't exist, it falls on you to prove that claim. Absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence. The simple and most sensible take here is to simply admit that we don't know and then choose to believe the ancients or not. Historians however, and academics in general, arrogant as they are, think that whatever they don't know simply doesn't exist, which is laughable, considering cases like Troy.
Well Plato did say this is a true story. And the date him picked was when the sea levels rose some 500 to 600 ft around the world. But ya its all pretend
Plato also believed our heads were planets and our souls orbited around them. He also thought all reality was made up of cubes and pyramids and dodecahedrons.
I believe the story of Atlantis was actually a re-imagining and re-telling of the antediluvian world (the world as it existed before the time of the great flood of Noah). It seems that almost every ancient culture around the globe tells a similar story. That of a world corrupted by mankind and then wiped out by an angry vengeful God, or in some cases, gods plural. There are too many similarities between these stories and that of Plato’s Atlantis to be just coincidental in my humble and unlearned opinion. That being said, it does differ in enough areas to make a case for opposition to the theory. Thanks for the great work, and your channel!
Are you familiar with the works of graham handcock? If not I would highly recommend you research him. His book “fingerprints of the gods” was great and really opened my mind. History is constantly repeating itself. The scientific community will call us stupid and crazy just as they did before with other subjects. Like Pangea and the earth being round and countless others. Yet in the end it will always be the people who question The main stream opinions that move things forward. The scientific community is a eco chamber of a bunch of pretentious twats jerking each other off not wanting change because it will invalidate there life’s work. Sorry this was long. I just thought your comment was cool👍
this is a very simplistic analysis, if Plato meant to place an example of how not to do society he wouldn't have mentioned that also athens was destroyed and only a few survived by fleeing into the mountains. In addition, the wise man of Plato would've known better that just about every larger society becomes corrupt at some point, and is therefore just an unavoidable conclusion. in a metaphoric example, he would be talking about how to recover from corruption, but to argue that the "corruption is bad and the kingdom is punished" is way too simplistic. Similarly, it cannot be a made up story because why go into the trouble of describing the geography of Atlantis, he could've simple said it was a big prosperous kingdom, but instead he focused on geographic details, as well as them being the enemy of Athens. Too many details for an imaginary example. Finally, as why he never talks about it again? well maybe he did but nobody ever found the record. Or maybe it is a story that he didn't know much about and thus he was only able to tell the just of it
The methods of passing down information was very strict during this time and with modern day evidence its silly to disregard everything as made up, its a crazy coincidence that the exact date he states as their demise is the same date as meltwater pulse1b and that the area hes described to be this city was above water. its easier to disregard the information than to look.
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Don't know about Atlantis, but Atlanta, can get pretty humid, hence soggy.
I think that’s the plot of an episode of futurerama
Keep it
@@juddmeyer2432 Ancient Atlanta was much more than a Delta Hub!
People always look like they greasy and smelly in Atlanta
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I'm always fascinated about how much Plato's description of Atlantis is similar to Tenochtitlán and the Aztec Empire.
I was thinking the same. Considering that the Egyptian pharaohs had cocaine and tobacco in them, which only came from the Americas, I would not be surprised if the Phonecian trade network included far off places. We know that the vikings traveled to the Americas not too long afterwards, and they didn't have a massive empire. Asha Logos covers a lot of things like this.
@@Nighterlev Nothing about it matches Plato's description except that it is round.
@@Nighterlev Start by explaining how it is "beyond the pillars of Heracles" when the Eye of the Sahara is on a known continent and to the south of the straits of Gibraltar?
Except the aztecs lived about 2000 years after Plato.
@@lb2791 If you think that matters then you aren't well versed in Atlantis lore.
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Thank you!
@@toldinstone ide expect you say "No shit sherlock"...thank you is good too:)
I just wish I didn't have to speed it up every time he talks so fcking slow!!
@@NB-ir1me He really doesn't. Stop watching vines.
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Plato: "I just want to invent some imaginary place, so my dialog has a point. I bet no one would think about this and has no consequences in the future." Some people in the future: "Where is Atlantis?"
@Kinjack ouch
Where did he say that? I think I missed that part haha
Plato: "I am utilizing a known legend city passed down to me from generations before, as an allegorical device because its far more logical and simple than generating specific and random world building in my head. I bet no one would assume that because I used a legend in allegorical context, it therefore certifiably was an invention of my own and has no basis in reality, especially considering it is a verifiable objective fact that Atlantis was not my invention.
People in the future: "duh its a platonic parable bruh"
if he was just a fool; then it's pretty amazing that this fool had soo many books and other people ; still read his teachings and writings to this day. what a lucky fool he is.
@@ChickenMcThiccken Nobody is claiming that he was a fool
I took philosophy when I was in college and it made me wonder why am I here? So I left.
They should have given you your PhD for that.
@@taitjones6310 seriously the professor asked one question on the final exam and it said why? People wrote volumes and I wrote, Because. I turned in my paper and got an A.
In the same book he talks about Atlantis in, he also claims that our heads are planets and our souls orbit around them. And the universe is made up of cubes pyramids and dodecahedrons. And the stars’ orbits operate in musical harmonies. If you’ve read his stuff you’d see his making up Atlantis is keeping in line with his methodology. This guys intellectual thought process was on a whole different level. He made stuff up all the time. I’m in no way diminishing his genius by that.
I don’t know about made up, but I definitely believe he just thought these things and there wasn’t anyone else around smart enough to challenge his thought
I see it went way over your head lol
Mitchell Hilscher Maybe “made up” wasn’t the right choice of words. Hypothesized? Philosophized? Clearly the dude thought about a lot of stuff
Ever heard of "meataphores"? Used to be quite a banger back in the day...
H o m o l u d e n s Dude! Troll much? And wouldn’t the use of a metaphor only strengthen the argument that he meant for Atlantis to represent his contemporary Athens?
There was no doubt a myth about an ancient sunken city. I’m pretty sure that’s an ancient trope in every culture. But the way Plato describes it is way too descriptive. Especially something 9000! years before he was writing. He was using a literary device to strengthen his argument.
Use your autocorrect.
I love the way Mr. toldinstone speaks about his interesting topics
its actually 'Dr' toldinstone
Atlantis may be a myth or based on some historical reality, but Plato went to great lengths to give authenticity of this Parable (if it is merely a parable.) . Plato says that Solon was told of Atlantis by Egyptian priests and , if I recollect correctly, even mentions that the story was memorialized on a temple wall somewhere in Egypt, and that Solon actually visited that temple. It seems unlikely to me, that Plato, who was descended from Solon on his mother's side would invoke his renowned ancestor to provide authenticity to to his tale or even mention him if he (Plato) had invented the story himself. It would besmirch his ancestor's reputation for truthfulness in a falsehood of Plato's own creation. Not something a proud descendant would do to his ancestor. Given Plato's pride of family, his high-mindedness, and dislike of poets(who he banned from his Republic because their inventions are lies) mixing Solon into this invention seems to me unlikely. For this reason I think it likely Plato indeed had the story from family recollections of Solon's visit to Egypt. And he transmitted the story unchanged, as true. He then made use of it in his dialogue for his own philosophic and political reasons. Dismissing it as a mere invention is, I think, rather difficult unless his relationship to Solon is ignored.
I would also point out that some modern writers have speculated that while Plato describes Atlantis as lying beyond the Pillars of Hercules (which is usually identified
as Gibraltar,) there were actually two Pillars of Hercules in the Greek World,. The other Pillar
was the Straits of the Dardanelles. This leads some to think that the war with Atlantis was actually a version of the Trojan War, and that Plato broke off the Timaeus at that point when he realized the connection.
In like manner, I remember discussing with someone, whether the Trojan Horse was real or a poetic invention describing a battering ram. I take it that the Greeks knew the difference between a wooden horse and a battering ram. Battering rams were not invented until around the 7th century B.C. and first used by the Assyrians. And Homer, and the other poets of the Trojan Cycle described very exactly warfare in the late Bronze age. If they don't describe battering rams it is because they weren't in use.
In conclusion, I offer no opinion as to the veracity of the Atlantis story or myth (although I think it certainly possible) but I do believe that Plato thought it was true, and would not have offered it as factually true, if he knew that it was not. The idea of great cities being sunk beneath the seas is more credible today in the light of the discovery of Heracleion in Egypt
and several other submerged cities in the Mediterranean. Not too long ago about a half million people in Indonesia were killed when a tsunami swept over their island. Civilization in the Bronze Age was real, but frail. So it is entirely believable that a small center of civilization could be destroyed very quickly by a natural disaster be it a tsunami or a volcanic eruption or the like and disappear practically without a trace in a matter of a few days. Not a pleasant thought, but not one to be dismissed out of hand.
Well said, thank you for sharing :)
Frank, you said: "So it is entirely believable that a small center of civilization could be destroyed very quickly by a natural disaster be it a tsunami or a volcanic eruption or the like and disappear practically without a trace in a matter of a few days. Not a pleasant thought, but not one to be dismissed out of hand." Or, in similar vein, a volcanic eruption next to the island that caused the southern end of the island to collapse into the sea followed by a tsunami that drowned the citadel, temples (positioned in the form of a rosette), and main city of Atlantis/Aztlan and so many living creatures.
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Well thought out comment, thanks for sharing this was an interesting read
Ezekiel 26 in the Bible provides description of the island of Tyre as the lost city of Atlantis, which was ruled by King Tyre, who was Lucifer in the flesh who is described as the anointed cherub that walked with God in the Garden of God up and down on the stones of fire. The Lord God even says in Ezekiel 26:21 that although the city will be sought after, it will never be found.
Troy was fiction until it wasn’t
He hasn't really disproved what Plato said. He just calls him a liar because he often mixes myth and fable into his discussions. However, myth often has an element of truth. The Eye of the Sahara theory for Atlantis is very plausible.
Troas, a corrupted Greek name for Troy, was well known in the first century and still exists as a small modern city today. It's even in the New Testament. Yet for some reason, antiquarians regarded it as a myth. And then, lo and behold, a digging on the outskirts of the modern site uncovered the ruins dating back to the ancient period... and Troy was "found." The experts are often wrong. Especially modern ones. The earliest recognized "archeologists" had few academic credentials and were rank amateurs compared to modern "experts." Yet they made incredible finds of places and things once considered myth.
@Blank Name Plato never said that, you are assuming it
@@GhostRanger5060 The earlier "amateurs", were imo, way more of the dirty hands, hard work of actually digging just from local legend "hear say" that archeology has its roots from.
Those "amateurs" are really experts the modern experts wish they were. As you said, most archeologist are more book educated than actual trips into the field.
All of this just imo though, as I'm not an expert in archeology. 😂🙂
@Blank Name -- Bravo!! People want to believe so badly. I've always been a realist and look at everything through that lense. Unfortunately we have to deal with Atlantis, aliens, big foot, UFO's, flat earth, etc. It's so hard navigating through the muck to find reality anymore........
Thanks!
plato: "this is atlantis, atlantis is a very corrupt and bad government"
people: "ok, but where is atlantis?"
plato: "ah... so you don't get the point huh"
he never pointed out that its all phylosophical, else why would he even talk about exact location of it and details which are irrelevant
He's not even the only one of his contemporaries to talk about Atlantis or it's location. Clearly he didn't make it up, even if indeed it was all made up which is far from clear.
@@kowya5952 ok
@@johnassal5838 I get it, so where is it?
@@kakyoindonut3213 I'd bet it's in the Azores. There's a submerged plateau that matches Plato's description presently in the deep between two of the main islands of today. It's just not the size of Australia, though it's similar to Hawii. The only fly in the ointment is that it's way below the 400 feet that sea level was lower 10k years ago but that may not be a deal breaker.
There's mostly ignored geological work from the 1950s-60s that suggest deep ocean features like the tops of sea mounts like the Mid Atlantic Ridge and the Azores plateau (which lies at a juncture of the MAR and another spreading fault) could've been at or above the surface. There were fossil beds of shallow sea life dredged up in the 1930's from miles down. This was before carbon dating and hasn't been revisited afaik. Likewise that geologic evidence I mentioned shows that many of these sea mounts more than half a mile down are capped in rock that _only forms in air_ and was dated to under a million years, basically the lower limit of available dating techniques. Even a million years ago it's unexpected that the sea floor could rise or fall that far.
So, orthodox theory says that even during the iceage these mountains should've been at least 2000 feet underwater. But Earth's oceans plates are thinner than it's continental plates and during that ice age the two miles of ice piled on North America includes a lot of mass off that plate representative of the 400ft sea level drop even as it pushed the entire continental plate down some _and_ buckled the plate near the center of the ice cap another 2000 feet down. It's possible the Atlantic plate rose and rose more/faster near the MAR with it acting like a hinge... And potentially having the opposite effect as the ice cap melted and sea levels rose, probably accelerating how much and how fast that plateau was impacted.
If you just read Plato's retelling of Strabo's account you go west from Pillars of Hercules, past a band of bars and islands then you get to Atlantis in the middle of another clump of islands _then_ there's a long chain of islands running north/south and past that a large continent. Which sounds exactly like someone was looking at a globe that showed the MAR when they described it like I was when I first heard it as a kid. Or moving around a few million, trillion tons makes the crust lift noticably where it's especially thin.
At about 5:22 the description given of Atlantis and the rings of moats and canals sounds like a description of the area around what would become Mexico City in our era. It was ringed by moats and lakes with canals branching off across the plains around it. One of the reasons it took Cortez so long to defeat the ancient city was due to that network of interlaced lakes, moats, and canals. I'm not saying that Tenochtitlan was Atlantis but it seems interesting that the descriptions could be considered similar.
Sounds like mid east irrigation too. So, like, the Persian empire.
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Agree
I've heard that the Mediterranean Sea was once much lower and that the Atlantic Ocean burst through a barrier during an earthquake at the Gates of Hercules. I believe there are Mycenean cities under the waters of the Med. Those ancient Myceneans are under-rated. They were probably the original "Atlanteans" of Plato's Republic. But that's just my theory.
I think your timeline is off. There are indeed several places in Europe and the Near East that show signs of massive floods. The Black Sea for one, but also the Persian Gulf and yes, at Gibraltar as well. However these events happened tens of thousand of years ago to several thousand years ago at the end of the last Ice Age. If memory serves me well, then the Atlantic spilling into the Mediterranean was the oldest event at around 20-30 thousand years ago, then the Black Sea 10-20 thousand years ago, and the youngest of them was a great flood of the Persian Gulf 8-10 thousand years ago. What you are referring to is the Thera (Santorini) volcano, which basically destroyed most of the island, and wiped out much of the Greek and Cretan cities on the coast in the 1500’s BCE. Regardless, I always wondered if folk tales and myths have recorded albeit in a very distorted form events or motifs from tens of thousands of years ago or even earlier? It’s literally impossible to tell but I do wonder if any mythical characters or character traits, archetypes were inspired originally by say for example, Neanderthals.
Plato got his story from an older Greek individual who heard the story from the Egyptians 200 years previously. You can actually see where it was supposed to be located on the map of the world as Herodytus described it 70 years before Plato heard the story. Atlantis, or Atlantes, was an Empire in Western Africa that was devastated by cataclysmic flooding 11,600 years ago. Stretched from the Pillars of Gibraltar southwards. All of this looking under the ocean bullshit is a waste of time and money.
@@Xynth25 You are correct. I am starting to accept the idea that the Richat Structure in Mauritania may be the original location and have recently rejected the entire Minoan/Mycenean origin theory for Atlantis.. I know people will argue that the Richat Structure is too high of an altitude or that it's a natural feature but I believe in catastrophism, the concept that the world and its history are shaped by great disasters. The Richat Structure could have been destroyed in a massive earthquake that reshaped the west coast of Africa. There are signs of both massive erosion and volcanism at the site. Ancient maps and histories do put the name Atlantis to the West Coast of Africa. Only our Euro/Mideast-centric mindset makes the idea hard to accept. Thank you.
The Mediterranean was once completely blocked off from the Atlantic with what's believed to have been a huge valley with a much smaller sea at the bottom about a half mile below present sea level. The Atlantic wouldn't have been that much lower, it's just there's not enough water flowing into the Med with Gibraltar blocked to fill it very high before evaporation removes it.
But that's believed to have been several million years ago with the Atlantic breaking through something like 5 million years ago. *WAY* before modern humans or even even Homo Erectus existed. So that's another big impressive geologic feature and/or flood that's also nothing to do with Atlantis. Sorry.
Yeah you heard that. It happened before humans. did you hear that part?
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What about Solon and the Egyptian connection to the story?
Yeh, that is what I was thinking? Didn't Plato mention that first, then added more to it later on in his life?
He has his mind made up. Its an allegory! Really disappointed by this channel for covering this topic in this arrogant tone.
If archeologist and historians don’t have a paved road with traffic signs and a full written explanation of what a place/structure was then for fact is ether a myth, a tomb or a sanctuary.
Lol. You realize their actual job is to learn about the past, right?
People go into archaeology to get away from paved roads.
@@Oddball5.0 That went over your head simpleton.
@@dustyclery8791 lol, went so far above his head, that it was funny. It actually made me *really* chuckle, and not just that puff of air through the nose "laugh". Haha
@@Oddball5.0 Just like anything today it’s all about money. If it makes them money they’ll stretch the truth or even tell flat out lies. A lot of things about ancient Egypt have been proven wrong yet they won’t even engage in the conversation.
@@Oddball5.0 Dont get me wrong though I don’t believe Atlantis was even real unless it was greatly exaggerated and/or renamed.
I've seen about Atlantis on Ancient Aliens. So I think it was real enough.
Research the Richat Structure.
So the story of Atlantis is yet another parable about the cycle of civilisation: from establishment, growth, agreement, complacency, corruption, destruction. Like the story of the Tower of Babel, or indeed history itself, from ancient Greece and Rome, to the British Empire, to the Soviet Union and the US hegemony we see today
@Just think Sources include Wikipedia and Business Insider - seems legit. So he saw the same thing we see today and concluded the same thing some of us really want to conclude today, then develops the parable
So u don't think there was a Tower at.Babel?
The Tower Of Babel was real. Not a myth.
@Just think Yeah, these guys are full of shit. "Parable" my ass...
Only thing is, the tower of babel was indeed real
Picture at 4:20 is very confusing
Plato was a bigger troll than Diogenes
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Interesting. Will be looking for more from you.
I appreciate that you didn’t throw in a bunch of click bait BS, just to lengthen the video!!!!
I’m convinced Atlantis is the Richat Structure
Sorry to hear that. It's a bone dry geologic structure that's been all but lifeless for tens of thousands of years. It's big, it's weird and it's striking but it's not man-made and never had alternating rings of water. You could make the case it somehow got conflated into the legend in antiquity based on the nearby Atlas mountains, Atlas being inextricably linked to the Atlantis myth and a likely spot for a colony that could've survived them.
But Plato described it being lost 10,000 years ago _beyond_ Gibraltar, past the Pillars of Hercules, outside an area with sand bars and beyond what sounds like the canary islands placing Atlantis itself in the Azores. This at a time (unless you accept the "typo theory" that Plato misunderstood the Egyptian 10 centuries as 10 millennia) when sea level was at least 400 feet lower and all those islands considerably bigger.
The assertion that Plato was misquoting the earlier Strabo or that Strabo had mistranslated the number from his Egyptian sources is based solely in the fact that there was never any evidence to support even one civilization building settlements or monuments before the early Egyptians five thousand years later. Except now we know of sites in Turkey that people occupied and carved stone monuments at made virtually right after the same period Atlantis was said to perish in more or less the exact sort of catastrophes we know would've been occuring. It's more silly now to ignore that.
There are even indications that the mid ocean ridge and deeply submerged Azores plateau may have been near or above the ocean surface making it possible there was a nearly Hawaii sized landmass right where Plato said. Sea mounts two miles down have rock deposited at the summit that only forms in air and did so within the last million years...
(Since the mid Atlantic ocean hasn't wandered much in far more time it follows the ocean floor has likely seen a lot more vertical movement than is appreciated.)
@@johnassal5838 There is evidence of water erosion by the richat structure. You can even see where the ripples are in the sand, also all the white spots you can see from Google earth are SALT deposits. There was clearly a cataclysmic event where water clearly moved southwest from the north of Africa.
Where would the salt come from if it has been dry for tens of thousands of years? We've found that the Sahara has cycles of lush greenery & the timeline plato spoke of lines up with the younger dryas which would explain massive flooding
@@BigGaines If there's salt then it's from being an arid environment that no water drains out of or persists in (it only evaporates) for most of the last 130,000 years. That's the end of an epoch of stone tools that covered everything In Africa but what was, and still is the center deep dessert. Also, the floods at the end of the last (or previous) ice age didn't effect everyplace on Earth. The mainstream view is normally that there were many smaller events too that would be even less severe and expansive than a few more massive events like if an asteroid struck the ice.
Even in the most severe and sudden scenario there would be no outflow anywhere near the Richat structure. Certainly nothing that could scrape away all trace of a sophisticated culture even if there was any way one could support itself there since before the last ice age even started.
In contrast the Atlas mountains are near the coast. The canary islands are a couple hundred miles off that coast, would've been much more expansive when sea level was 400 ft lower (and then the Azores past them, as well as the possibility the sea floor may also have rebounded raising even more islands.)
The canarys had an indigenous population that did not fare well after contact with mainland Europeans but had numerous similarities to west Indian natives. If they were descendants of a once thriving Atlantic analog to the much more recent Polynesians of the Pacific then they most likely had a colony in Mauritania and may have been aware of the Eye of the Sahara but it would not be able to support much of a local population, not even just visiting it.
@@johnassal5838 dude what are you talking about?🤣
@@ASMRJohn If you can't even tell what the topic of the vid is it's no wonder you can't follow what I wrote. 🤷♂️
Fascinating. Can’t wait for the next episode!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Plato:"My source is I made it the f#*k up!!"
Plato: my source is that I made it the fuxk up
"Let's dive in."
The man says "fast paced." I love it.
So, Plato's primary form of writing is in this same conversational format. Literally entirely made up conversations. Yet people think that Atlantis is real? Come on.
2 questions for you; Did Plato wrote about old tales before, in order to preserve them as a historian /and did Plato ever wrote fiction before.
Plato wrote almost entirely fiction, or else embellished and expanded accounts of conversations that his teacher, Socrates, had with various "interlocutors," often said to have been told to Plato by second-hand or even third-hand accounts. It's almost impossible to corroborate wether these events occurred. There are a couple of instances, however, where other authors wrote about events that Plato tackled as well, like Xenophon's Symposium. For the most part though, unless both Plato had an absolutely perfect photographic memory, most of his work could be considered fiction. Especially because he often says "I heard about this 15-page conversation from some servant whose master was at a party where Socrates was."
Re: "old tales." Someone else who remembers more of his work may be able to add more examples, but Plato did occasionally include bits of myth in his writing, like when Aristophanes discusses the origins of Man in the Symposium. Can't remember if there are examples of more plausible bits of folklore or history in the dialogues though.
Fun fact there is a mountain of biblical manuscripts... Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of them..... yet we have next to nothing from Plato himself yet people don't seem to question Plato too often. Strange eh.
@@jonathansoko5368We do, or at least more than we have from JC or any of his contemporaries about him. There aren't even any biblical manuscripts in Armaic. And you haven't spent time in the right circles if you don't think people question Plato.
Even if we didn't many of his claims don't rely on his existence or sanctity for validity. As opposed to the biblical account of a (or several) charismatic Jew who thought the end of the world was around the corner because his homeland was ravaged by the Romans. Written at least three generations after the fact and edited and/or translated many, many hundred years after. Why would people write stuff down? Doomsday is just around the corner
If Plato wrote both fiction and nonfiction his judgment would be questionable. The factual things he did say would affect his appeal to authority portrayal.
Back then. Many people could not write. History was passed down verbally....through stories. Those who could write. Wrote what was told. Many cultures today still use this as a method of passing on the story of their people. By recasting the story word for word until they no it by heart. Plato did not write this as fiction. He even tells you that beforehand.
I stumbled across your channel today. Great videos about Ancient Rome. I really enjoy this Atlantis mini-series. 👍
Very glad to hear it!
Atlantis was created in 6 days before resting... It merges the second Moon to the Water World Planet making a ripple effects... and its center is in Philippines in the Southeast Asia... These Atlanteans are from Mars, the first settlers...
Thank you so much I am learning about things I never knew. Excellent channel.
Great content.
Thanks!
Little known fact, during the last ice age the middle of the Atlatic ocean had a huge land mass that was swallowed by the ocean due to isostatic compensation after the ice melted away. This was proven by core samples taken from the mid-atlantic ridge by ship named The Atlantis in 1948, they found limestone rocks that lithified in the atmosphere around 12 thousand years ago and are now 2 miles below the ocean. Randall Carlson has done extensive research into this.
It’s not the mainstream narrative agreed on by some know it all academics
Yeah too bad it's an inconvenient Truth that mainstream narrative will never accept. The truth always comes to light though
@@gringopapi6985 Maybe because that still doesn’t prove its existence.
Great video, I've always loved myths that pull upon allegorical or parable themes and the fall of Atlantis has been one of the great myths that can be applied to any nation that disappears or falls to its own hubris. Its probably my favorite theme in scifi and fantasy stories, the fall of an advanced civilization due to excessive greed, malice, sloth etc. I think because it hits home to being an American, the propaganda idea that we have some kind of promised land or the literal golden city on the hill that could never fall or be invaded vis-à-vis Rome.
The Greek city of Sybaris in Italy was renowned for its obsession with luxury and hedonistic pleasures -- aka Sybaritic. One of the Sybarites tried to sleep on a bed of rose petals but wasn't able to, because one of the petals was folded....
Legend holds that its decadence & opulence led to divine vengeance. But it was probably just subjugated by a rival city (Kroton) who coveted its abundance of natural resources and great wealth.
Plato may also have been influenced by the destruction of Helike in 373 BC. Destroyed by earthquake and tsunami -- due to "divine retribution by Poseidon."
The Richat Structure. That’s the Capital City of Atlantis.
The continent of Atlantis was an island
Which lay before the great flood
In the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean.
So great an area of land,
That from her western shores
Those beautiful sailors journeyed
To the South and the North Americas with ease,
In their ships with painted sails.
To the East Africa was a neighbor,
Across a short strait of sea miles.
The great Egyptian age is
But a remnant of The Atlantean culture.
The antediluvian kings colonized the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from far Atlantis.
Knowing her fate,
Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth.
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, The farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.
Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice
And let us sing
And dance and ring in the new Hail Atlantis!
Donovan diddled
"The Magician???"
My yoga guru, who taught us meditation, said Atlantis really did exist, and so did Lemuria. He said Atlantis was "beyond the Pillars of Hercules", just as Plato did. On another occasion, he told some of the other yoga monks that Atlantis was beyond the Iberian peninsula. The personal assistant of my guru told me that Atlantis went as far north as the Faroe Islands, and he aslo told how far east and south and west it went, but I'm not good at geography so I don't remember what those other places were. My guru said if we wanted to find some interesting evidence of Atlantis we'd have to dig off the northern coast of Spain. But it's very deep, would be very difficult to get to, would be very expensive, and would probably require the funding of the United Nations.
It’s an allegory about Athens leading the defeat of the Great Persian Empire. No?
The fact people still somewhat believe in Atlantis today makes Plato one of the most successful trolls of all time.
I usually enjoy these videos, but the typical arrogant historical take on Atlantis is simply the worst there is: "I don't know, therefore it doesn't exist; also I'm smarter than all the great intellects of antiquity to know this." Thumbs way down on this one.
This is just like Troy all over again. You'd think the so called academics would eventually learn not to be so arrogant.
By the way, of you actually read Plato you will notice that he is very clear and straightforward whenever he uses a story as allegory, and this isn't one of those cases.
Ethan, fella, no one knows whether or not Atlantis existed. Plato probably didn't know whether it existed. The one thing he did know, is that it sure as hell wasn't his invention, and this is objectively verifiable fact. So, no, Plato has trolled no one, its actually you getting accidentally trolled by academic snobbery.
5:22 where did you get this illustration of Atlantis I would like a copy
I still say that the Eye of the Sahara is Atlantis.
That's the Earth's butthole, the wife open back door to Agartha. @lantis is down under water (so probably near Australia somewhere, m8)
@@garymericano I am intrigued though. Please leave a link for me to help substantiate your statement. Australia area is one that I’ve never heard of but I’m opened minded. I can send a link or 2 to help back up my claims. Thanks mate.
@@ManBoo55 And that's why you're a recluse on the internet who no one listens to :^)
At 4:40, the north arrow is pointed toward the bottom of the map. This is highly unusual. Most maps have the north arrow pointing to the top of the map. This presents an element of confusion for people who don't know a lot about maps. This video would be better if that map was turned upside down.
Ive studied the heck out of Antiquity. I can't help it.. Every time I see a story about Atlantis my mind wanders to The Sea People.
Does anyone else feel some sort of connection between the two?
(P.S. fantastic topic, great content. Thank you.)
Would Plato have even known about the sea people? That Bronze Age collapse was a long time ago from his point of view and they were more a problem for the Hittites and Egyptians since by that point Greece was in chaos already as their society collapsed thanks to volcanic intervention. It is clear that the Greeks knew that some sort of civilization came before theirs and they were passingly curious about it but they don’t seem to have known much about what came before their dark age began.
@Just think Aww, sweet, a schizoposter!
@Just think Sure you can copy paste your way into an argument all you want, but that only draws ppl away from the point you're trying to make.
The Sea People are understudied. The Phoenicians, the Philistines of Canaan, and the Carthaginians all "came from the sea." Usually the experts state they all came from the Nile delta area. Yet they clearly were NOT Egyptian. Others say they are from Crete... and certainly the pre-Greek Minoan and Mycenean civilizations were candidates. They also are candidates for the original "Atlanteans." What do we know of Carthage? There are ancient ruins in places like Malta and at the bottom of both the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans that are ignored by conventional historians. Google "Nan Midol on Pohnpei" to see what I mean.
No.
Another great video! Thanks ❣
Atlantis was undoubtably a real place, and Plato made it crystal clear he wasn't being allegorical when he described it.
Love this guys voice
THANK YOU!!
I've had so many arguments over this
Fact ive lost count !! Parables confuse so many !! Poor Socrates ! 🙄
I enjoy your all videos !! Thxx again !!
And you still will, with people who understand that a parabolic contextual employment has nothing to do with whether or not the city had a basis in reality, especially considering it is a known fact that the story of Atlantis was passed down to Plato fron Solon, and not, as claimed in this video, his own invention.
Hopefully the people arguing with you will point out how wildly insane it is to just pass off an opinion about history as fact without any objective proof...
opening frame and I'm already cracking a grin.
I thought Atlantis was actually the Minoan empire (located primarily on Crete) that had completely disappeared by Plato's time.
Santini
Or Myceneans. I am with you, there are many candidates of peoples that predated the Greek city states and could fit the bill.
@@GhostRanger5060 Minoan art is really beautiful, especially their vases and earthenware.
@@GhostRanger5060, but Mycenaeans we’re the ones that the oral stories of the Iliad, Odessey, Heracles, etc come from. It was a time full of myths but they never mentioned Atlantis, or at least it wasn’t passed down until Plato in classical times wrote about it and said it was a story from Egypt.
@@JakeConrad666 Great point. I think we probably need to go to the west coast of Africa -- Mauritania -- to find the original Atlantis.
Best impression of destiny I've heard.
I am sorry aquatic themed strip clubs??? Please elaborate i need to know what that is
I wish I could tell you that Aquaman costumes were mandatory or that the dancers all wore mermaid tails...but in most cases, as far as I can tell, the Atlantis / aquatic theme isn't taken very seriously. Some hasty Googling reveals, however, that the Atlantis Gentlemen's club nearest my house has a "Plato's Penthouse" for big spenders - so kudos to them for staying on topic. One suspects, however, that nothing that happens in that room can be described as Platonic.
@@toldinstone so no mermaid tails i..i am a bit disapoint but than again just imaging a aquaman male striper makes me smile
Because it smells like a sea water flood inside I would assume.
The best explanation I've heard has been the submerged regions of Sardinia which are believed to have been inhabited by the Nuralgic kingdoms.
If you actually look at Plato's writings on Atlantis you'd realize it was never a real place, it was a fictional utopia he used in his stories to teach moral lessons. Plato's writings are the only accounts we have of it, nobody else wrote about it. We've completely lost the plot thinking Atlantis was ever real, and its embarrassing.
Well put! It’s like looking for the Biblical Garden of Eden.
What I hear: Athens vs Persian Empire. Yeah?
1:29 for a sec I thought you said Playdough 😄
The Mark Felton of ancient history
Why are you commenting this again?
@@famousbowl9926 to let it be known
You nailed it!
Many of us Mark Felton followers are secret devotees of ancient civilizations and mysteries!
Mark Felton doesn't present subjective theories as fact.
Your the best
Atlantis isnt a story based on bronze age collapse or minoians on crete or anything like that, its actually Atlanta, and it hasnt happen yet, as seen in the historical text "Futurama".
Atlantis is exactly where the Azores islands are now, with only the peaks poke out where the sea level used to be more than 150 yards below the present levels.
IF Atlantis was a real city it could have been the Richat Structure or as commonly known, the Eye of Africa. Open a flood map and set the water elevation to +410. There is no natural formation on this Earth that would fit better Plato's description of Atlantis. The mountain range, the two rings, the circle on the middle, the opening to the South. It's all there. So let's not be hasty to put down ancient scipts just because they are old since we already know that in many cases Greek myths are based on reality.
0:11 also that 1968 song 'Atlantis' by Donovan
Interesting that the great flood and upheaval Plato described and his estimate of when it happened seems to correlate with science that shows perhaps a meteor struck the earth about 12,000 years ago. There's that to consider.
Yes!!! Well done it seems someone had done their research.
Agreed. Unfortunately it's been put off as a translation error since well before anyone knew that the Younger Dryas was full of events suspiciously like the destruction of Atlantis. Also there were no other indications of any kind of complex society or monument builders much before Dynastic Egypt five or six thousand years later. Now we know that people were building stone circles at Gobeki in Turkey almost as soon as the dust had settled. No doubt if the idea of ice-age civilizations had originated today it would be taken seriously but there is a hundred years worth of bias to overcome.
There's that to consider, and then forget about because it's so ridiculously speculative and is formed on the shittiest, shakiest "evidence" imaginable that makes all of history and archaeology look like a fucking clown show. Go back to reddit
I look forward to the next installment!
Nice video... One thing to remember is that people also thought that Troy was also a fictional story.
There are things that add up to it possibly being real such a s the date of the destruction which lines up with the Younger Dryas mass extinction...
Yep, and the Younger Dryas theory has been validated since you wrote this comment a month ago.
A lot of people have a hard time viewing Atlantis because of the connections it has to pseudoarcheology. There is not factual evidence of Atlantis being real, so it is not logical to believe it is.
How interesting! Thanks for uploading!
Platos repeatedly states that the story of Atlantis was a true story.
Where he states that exactly?
Like countless story tellers throughout history...
Plato doesn’t say it is a true story. He puts the story in the mouth of Critias the politician in a fictional dialogue.
Exactly, it's not like it is all mystery and shadows when it comes to ancient sages. They were actually pretty straightforward in their methods.
Solon and thanks for all the fish (queeen).
Atlantis is Minoan Crete that is what Plato was talking about not anywhere else.
The ancient Greek world took it for granted why does the modern world look everywhere but where the Greeks believed it to be?
Saying there were no descendants would be soooo much easier for your ulterior silliness.
Plata even mentioned the exact location where Atlantis was. Its on the most north western part of Africa. You can even still see the markings on the ground that plato described Atlantis to look like.
Funny how they say it is an "island" but they draw it in all maps the size of a continent.......
What is striking, however, is how accurately the date quoted by Plato, i.e. 9,000+ years before his time, taking into account that he died in the middle of the IV c. BC, aligns with the Younger Dryas datings. For those unaware of the subject, the YD was a period of approximately 1,000 years, that ended aroud 9,700 BC, during which the entire planet underwent a sudden, severe cooling, and a subsequent global cataclysm. The cause of it is still unclear, it might have been due to the alteration of thermal currents in the Atlantic, caused by flooding from a post-glacial lake in North America, or it might have been caused by a comet impact, or a series of smaller impacts.
The YD has been associated with the global megafauna extintion around that time (mammoths, sabletooth tigers, etc.), with the disappearance of the Clovis culture and with the rise of agriculture. Numerous speculations about the YD impact on lost, hypothetical civilizations, also have been proposed, backed by many independent findings, such as Gobekli Tepe, alternative Sphinx datings, and various sunk, underwater constructions all around the world. Plato, allegedly, might have based his story on old manuscripts, that were based on even far older writings, which might have kept memory, of an actual lost civilization, around the YD cataclysm.
Far be it from me to say, that all this, rather flimsy, speculation and conjectures, is evidence for the existence of Atlantis. Nevertheless, the fact that Plato, placed this developed, and suddenly destroyed, civilization, exactly at a date, that he would have quoted, if he had wanted to allude to a factual, historic event, is something that I find to be, at the very least, a very interesting coincidence.
all this, rather flimsy, speculation and conjectures,
Man, this "playdough" guy sure is fascinating, now, I am still waiting for the part where Plato say anything about Atlantis.
That picture of supposed Atlantis looks very similar to ancient Mexico City.
Hmmm.....
Well it matches the eye of the sahara structure in africa so sorry
@@markglock2585 bruh. Nobody cares. Gtfo
@@famousbowl9926 why you mad?😂
If you read the Timaeus word for word, it's doesn't sound anything like an "allegory" or "myth". It sounds like Kritias, nearly 90 years old, told Plato, sometime in the past, the story he had heard when he was only 10 years old during a boy's poetry recital. While Sokrates was present that day, Plato asked Kritias to tell the story again. During the recital, Kritias had heard this boy reciting the story of Solon's visit to the Egyptian priest about Atlantis. Kritias the elder responds with "too bad Solon wasn't more serious about poetry or he would've completed the story he brought from Egypt and would have become more famous than poets like Hesiod and Homer". I'm not sure exactly who is speaking in the final paragraph (Kritias, Plato, Amynander?), but the speaker says that he wasn't sure whether or not he could remember the story he had heard until Kritias began telling it, then the memories of it came flooding back mostly the same, and that it's amazing how "the lessons of one’s childhood “grip the mind,” as the saying is". Doesn't sound like anything to me other than Plato attempting to record an actual story that was intriguing to him.
There's increasing evidence for a past advanced civilization that was wiped out, that we have no knowledge of. Who knows what it was actually called - but to dismiss the whole notion as just a story told by Plato is shortsighted and disappointing.
What evidence and where can i find it?
@@Gongall daaniken. 😂
@@Gongall gobekli teppe, like only 6000 before sumerians maybe? and more t-shape pillars yuuuhh, if you add the time needed for a culture to develope to that point plus building and using it...some cathedrals have almost 1000years and still in use...we would have to add minum of another 1000/2000 years more, so lets say 9000, older than sumerians....sooo not even sumerians had a clue gobekli ever existed ? for what it seems
and now there is the "dilema" of Harapa, the indus valley
Really enjoy your content, thanks.
My favorite part of this video is when you said it was just a product of Plato's imagination with such confidence. As if you fucking knew the guy
Its actually embarrassing isn't it. Such a shame because I love the usual content on this channel
Well done and Thank You.
The Ancient City mentioned in Timaeus and Critias actually exists. The ruins were excavated years ago by a German Archeologist however they had been so looted that the columns that would have mentioned Atlantis no longer exist! The Pillars of Hercules mentioned would have been the Gates of Gibraltar not the other various locations that people keep diverting to, there is a lot of evidence to show that as well. This would have been close to 11,500 years ago very close to the end of the last ice age. Atlantis was going to Wipe Greece from existence, and as the Atlanteans were already heading to attack" Atlantis was consumed! (Great Flood Story Matches the Time) This does not say they all died, the way it reads, some of them would have already been on main land instead of the Island! So what part of this for me makes it unrealistic opposed to realistic. The Atlanteans language! Some would have survived yet their writing and language just disappeared? Why? Makes no sense. Now we know from modern DNA analysis that King Tut is from the U.K. Ireland Area that's where his families DNA matches to. It's possible that the language went back to a Rudimentary form, worked it's way up and around back through Latin and into what we have today, but that' is a stretch at best. Why regress like that, back to Hieroglyphics, to the Phoenicians form of writing up to Ancient Latin and Greek, to modern Latin. I mean the Celts war with the ancient Greeks was 1200 years before Rome even existed at all, they populated the British Celtic Islands and it's their DNA that matches with King Tut's as well as others around the Mediterranean, they did have Ancient Ruins but nothing like they should have had for a language. I don't know. A lot of things that support Atlantis could have been real, but the Language and the Missing Writings is kind of a deal breaker for me. With that said there are more Ruins just North of the African City described by Plato that had been looted, that is in the Mediterranean Sea, and falls to the same time period. Maybe some writings carved in the marble and stone in this location will have something. I would think there would be a lot of writings though, like scattered around the globe type of evidence. So I have to admit that even though there is some hope for a new historical find, my hopes are not all that high. After all the Greeks told Fantastic Stories so they would be remembered, some times really fantastic stories to hold a little bit of truth! You never know!
last line "you never know" you do know if you analytically disect it like a detective then you do know. but you dont seem too all of this paragraph is bullshit king tuts dna is not from uk ireland and it barely connects too any points you made. Make up your mind on your views.
@@Ifeelmylegssubtely 1st off LOL - love how you strung those letters together in that last post. 2ndly
R1b has two primary branches: R1b1a-L754 and R1b1b-PH155. R1b-L754 has two subclades: R1b1a1a2-M269, which predominates in Western Europe. King Tut's haplo group is - haplogroup R1b1a2 which is what more than 50 percent of all men in or from Western Europe carry. Hence the U.K. and Ireland! Tada!
Ironic when the club he shows in the beginning is in my hometown 😂😂
Bizarre
The tinfoil hat brigade are out in force for this video.
Looks like they found your comment
Oh yes because believing everything that mainstream media tells you is for the clever people am I right? Every time something like this that is based in reality, but not completely understood is brought up, there is never missing the typical dude that feels smarter than anyone else so he just bashes what he fails to even research. Thank god not everyone is like you or there would be no progress in this world with such a square minded attitude.
I usually enjoy these videos, but the typical arrogant historical take on Atlantis is simply the worst there is: "I don't know, therefore it doesn't exist; also I'm smarter than all the great intellects of antiquity to know this." Thumbs way down on this one.
This is just like Troy all over again. You'd think the so called academics would eventually learn not to be so arrogant.
By the way, of you actually read Plato you will notice that he is very clear and straightforward whenever he uses a story as allegory, and this isn't one of those cases.
If you make the claim that it doesn't exist, it falls on you to prove that claim. Absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence. The simple and most sensible take here is to simply admit that we don't know and then choose to believe the ancients or not. Historians however, and academics in general, arrogant as they are, think that whatever they don't know simply doesn't exist, which is laughable, considering cases like Troy.
@@servus_incognitus you do know for centuries people have believed Troy was a real place before they found it. There were arguments about where it was located and whether or not the Trojan war had actually happened. Not to mention unlike Atlantis, Troy has been mentioned in records of nearby civilizations such as the Hittites where they were referred to as ‘Wilusa’ which is another name used by Homer for Troy. The issue with Atlantis is that there are no real mentions of it other than by Plato. The academics never ‘actually’ argued about the existence of Troy only location and whether or not the war had actually happened. Please don’t compare apples to oranges
Great way of presenting history! You make me laugh!!
Yet another example of surrealism. It has never existed, yet millions of people heard of it and believe in it. And suggest locations like Santorin, Malta etc. For an ancient Greek sailor who sailed not far from the land anything found in the open sea was quickly lost (or sunk) in the sea. How would they register their "terra incognitos" (specially as they didn't care to write anything and perhaps visited those places once in their lives) only in their legends!
@Kinjack funny thing is, to disregard atlantis as fictional is the norm, to believe in it is actually pseudo.
Yet another example of superiority complex. There is literally no way for anyone to say with total certainty whether or not the city of Atlantis was real, yet millions of people have been told an interpretation that it is a parabolic invention of the philosopher Plato's and somehow feel confident in stating that it objectively didn't exist based on that alone, when in fact there is simply nothing to suggest whether or not it did exist, but what has become abundantly clear in the last few decades is 1. There were ancient civilisations we didn't know about from that era, who were far more advanced than we would have ever expected. 2. There was a major global climate event around this time which would have been enough to eradicate a civilisation 3. There are actually a multitude of locations which have come to light as very convcing candidates (the two you mentioned are rubbish).
The story of Atlantis begins with Play Doh.
Love your channel but employing Atlantis as a subject in a parable doesn't require it to be a fictional place. This seems fallacious. In fact it lends credit to the parable when something the intended audience knows to be true is employed as an example. I don't know if Atlantis is real or not but your logic seemed flawed to me
I wish he would delete these truly sub par videos on Atlantis
Agree 100%. That is what some of these people don't want to admit. Bottom line is they don't know.
Atlantis is the Richat Structure. You made a premature conclusion.
Atlantis is @ 34° 9'31.36"N 60°50'0.37"W
No, but crazily enough, the trident does point the way.
Follow the middle tine and look a couple hundred miles north.
could b. I tried google earth for the depth of the sea, but i forgot how. How deep is that compared to the azore`s region?
Would that be where Cincinnati is now?
people searching for atlantis also searched for: eden, hyperborea, lemuria.
people searching for eter are searching for black matter...invisible, undetectable...uh..
Before I hear anything: it seems ridiculous to disagree with anything Plato says
That is actually a very sensible take, considering the genius of Plato. Modern man's arrogance bugs me beyond comprehension.
Atlantis invaded Athens and was punished with complete destruction?
Tolkien: *WRITE THAT DOWN*
There's so many crazy people commenting who didn't even watch the video... Atlantis is as real as Narnia and was built the same way.
Atlantis is as real as Disney world.
@@blauwzakjecrack that's a funny joke if you're implying Disney world is a fake af shitshow being used to dupe people out of money with an "experience" held up by duct tape.
If you think Atlantis is real I will NEVER stop laughing at you.
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I usually enjoy these videos, but the typical arrogant historical take on Atlantis is simply the worst there is: "I don't know, therefore it doesn't exist; also I'm smarter than all the great intellects of antiquity to know this." Thumbs way down on this one.
This is just like Troy all over again. You'd think the so called academics would eventually learn not to be so arrogant.
By the way, of you actually read Plato you will notice that he is very clear and straightforward whenever he uses a story as allegory, and this isn't one of those cases.
If you make the claim that it doesn't exist, it falls on you to prove that claim. Absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence. The simple and most sensible take here is to simply admit that we don't know and then choose to believe the ancients or not. Historians however, and academics in general, arrogant as they are, think that whatever they don't know simply doesn't exist, which is laughable, considering cases like Troy.
what do you do when the most pragmatic historian on youtube tackles a giant myth? You click of course!
Well Plato did say this is a true story. And the date him picked was when the sea levels rose some 500 to 600 ft around the world. But ya its all pretend
I'd like to see this guy and Graham Hancock debate this subject.
Reminds me of that time I flew up to the moon and saw some Atlantean relics left behind in a crater. True story, by the way.
Plato also believed our heads were planets and our souls orbited around them. He also thought all reality was made up of cubes and pyramids and dodecahedrons.
@@RamManNo1 Ever heard of metaphores? It was quite a thing back then ya know...
This is a bigly nice video
I believe the story of Atlantis was actually a re-imagining and re-telling of the antediluvian world (the world as it existed before the time of the great flood of Noah).
It seems that almost every ancient culture around the globe tells a similar story.
That of a world corrupted by mankind and then wiped out by an angry vengeful God, or in some cases, gods plural.
There are too many similarities between these stories and that of Plato’s Atlantis to be just coincidental in my humble and unlearned opinion. That being said, it does differ in enough areas to make a case for opposition to the theory.
Thanks for the great work, and your channel!
Are you familiar with the works of graham handcock? If not I would highly recommend you research him. His book “fingerprints of the gods” was great and really opened my mind. History is constantly repeating itself. The scientific community will call us stupid and crazy just as they did before with other subjects. Like Pangea and the earth being round and countless others. Yet in the end it will always be the people who question The main stream opinions that move things forward. The scientific community is a eco chamber of a bunch of pretentious twats jerking each other off not wanting change because it will invalidate there life’s work. Sorry this was long. I just thought your comment was cool👍
@hello I am aware
@hello Which doesn't make you any more rational.
this is a very simplistic analysis, if Plato meant to place an example of how not to do society he wouldn't have mentioned that also athens was destroyed and only a few survived by fleeing into the mountains. In addition, the wise man of Plato would've known better that just about every larger society becomes corrupt at some point, and is therefore just an unavoidable conclusion. in a metaphoric example, he would be talking about how to recover from corruption, but to argue that the "corruption is bad and the kingdom is punished" is way too simplistic.
Similarly, it cannot be a made up story because why go into the trouble of describing the geography of Atlantis, he could've simple said it was a big prosperous kingdom, but instead he focused on geographic details, as well as them being the enemy of Athens. Too many details for an imaginary example.
Finally, as why he never talks about it again? well maybe he did but nobody ever found the record. Or maybe it is a story that he didn't know much about and thus he was only able to tell the just of it
The methods of passing down information was very strict during this time and with modern day evidence its silly to disregard everything as made up, its a crazy coincidence that the exact date he states as their demise is the same date as meltwater pulse1b and that the area hes described to be this city was above water. its easier to disregard the information than to look.
Plato be like, what if I went off track to do some sick world building