Peter Farrell Says I'm Teaching WRONG!
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Peter is the biggest douche in the game. The screenshots I've been sent by people boggle the mind. I've EVEN heard that George actually isn't involved with him any more. You ever think it's odd that George has never promoted Peter's products when (at the prices being charged) you'd expect him to make a nice bit of money? When I confronted Peter about this, he freaked out and blocked me.
Hey Levi! He's talking about you too on his latest 3hr+ livestream today! Guess it's a club now 😂
@@ChaseMaddox hahaha fabulous. I love living rent free in these clowns minds.
Here's the truth. Peter is a great player. And his teaching materials are solid. BUT.... his main strategy as a teacher is trying to tell you why all the other teachers suck. That makes him a piece of trash.
If he was humble and PART of the community... we'd all lift him up, because his work is cool... but unfortunately he doesn't respect his peers OR his customers.
I hope he's SUPER rich. Because nothing would hurt more than having all the success, but none of your peers respect!
@@PeterFarrellGuitar awww bless, are you gonna freak out and block me on here too? Whatever you gotta do to stay relevant I guess.
If anyone wants Peter’s PDFs, hit me up! 🤙
Douche seems like the appropriate adjective. Anyone who goes off with name calling online is the lowest of low.
Can you share the pdfs?
Why he is so mad with you lol
Is he mad because you don't charge 150 dollars for a book ? xD
He thinks he Nikki Minaj😂😂
@@thesuncollective1475 This dude is charging the double than people like Kurt Rosenwinkel 😂😂 who are actually masters not students of a master
😂😂😂
@@Pastas666 …right on!..serious fronting by that fool PF..as if he was Benson’s clone..”not the master but a student of the master”..love it!
@@anneonym7346 what??? did he really criticized BIRELI ? didn't even know that xD
the audacity of this man 😂😂😂
@@anneonym7346 Didn't know that
very weird xD
He gives me cult vibes 🤣
..Chase, it’s Victor in New York bro..wow, this dude is whack and doesn’t understand what playing music is about..dissing other musicians who can actually play, have put in a lot of time and effort to get to where they are, and are sharing their knowledge and expertise of their instrument professionally is the lowest..unacceptable
Keep on keeping on doing what you are doing Chase, I for one really appreciate what you’re doing on YT here..I went to Berklee many years ago and then didn’t play for almost 20 years because of drugs and being on the street..I had to relearn from 0..and the material that you and other honest and generous folks have uploaded has been a great help
Thanks man
I'll keep it up! Glad to help 👍
I'm a professional jazz guitarrist and singer. I like your content and have learned from it! Thank's for your good work. Controversy is unfortunately very common on social media so it's importante to stay positive - as I see you do!
I have been relearning from 0 a well. I stopped for 43 years. I want to play beyond what I was doing in the 70s. This guy is helping me with that. In honor of my late father, I want to master bebob Jazz Guitar.
Well said Sir
Peter is technically very good as a guitar player, but he can’t teach. It’s as simple as that.
Some people seem to get value from his approach. My approach is very different in method and style.
Peter Farrell has a track record for this kind of behaviour. A dreadful teacher with a toxic attitude. I gave up on him a couple of years ago when I saw him giving this kind of grief to another teacher who dared to step into teaching some of Benson’s concepts. He appears to believe he owns these ideas and is quick to shut down anyone else who tries to help students. Weirdly jealous character.
He does unfortunately.
Me too as well i asked him a question and he just wanted to argue.
Apparently of all the things that Peter learned from George, acting with grace, humility and being a gentleman clearly was not among them.
Clearly!
Farrell seems to think that he is the Barry Harris of jazz guitar educators. Too bad no one else on the planet shares that thought, lol. And calling your competitors "assholes" is not exactly the best marketing strategy either. But it is certainly very descriptive of his own character. And it is also very unfortunate that Benson chose such an insecure guy as his disciple.
Farrell seems to think that he is the Barry Harris
and charges wayyyyy more than ever Barry Harris did for his dvd masterclass
@@Pastas666 You said that right i checked to see how much private lesson were and they were like 6 grand
I think he reveals himself 🤷♂️
Farrell says he is a disciple of Benson but I have to wonder if Benson knows what his disciple is doing. I am sure he would not approve of such conduct. Maybe Farrell thinks a rift among teachers will gain him popularity. It might on a game show or a reality TV show but will definitely not in the jazz world.
@@mwpv11 had the same thoughts... pretty sure George would not approve.
Yes, very bad form from Peter Farrell. If he has any class at all, an apology would be in order.
Haha he's demanding an apology and respect from me 😂
Chase, you are a good soul and very gifted. Your response is based on calmness and clarity. Keep on keeping on Brother 🤙🏾💜
Thank you! Will do! 🙏
I wouldn’t even break a sweat re Peter. The name calling is obviously his frustration and poor judgement. Your material was excellent, and I check out everybody. You’re also a better communicator. I’ve toured, done clinics for Marshall and playing 40+ yrs. Keep doing your thing.
I totally agree.
I will keep doing my thing!
@@ChaseMaddox awesome. Love the topics and looking forward to the late great Pat Martino stuff.
This guy, PF is just a frustrated man who doesn't know how to compose or play anything besides copying Benson's style (what he is very good at, after all it's the only thing he specialized on). It's his life, if it wasn't for this he wouldn't exist professionally, and I'm not just talking sh*t about the guy, it's just the truth (search for the very few songs in the internet that have his name as composer and it will reassure itself). His butthurt maybe it's because you used HIS name for a thing HE THINKS he INVENTED and brought to the world (playing 2 chords of a tonal center over a tonal harmony... 🤣 maybe in his head you're "stealing" some dollars from him too), and as he thinks he's some kind of Benson bastard son or something like this, wanting recognition as his one and only legitimate "musical heir", anyone who dares to talk Benson will be bad-mouthed (the problem is that Benson is a composer and a genius...). Regarding the methodology I've tried yours and I've tried his before, both have it's merits, but I think your vision using characteristic note/functions of the tonal center have more possibilities regarding harmonic nuances than just play C/Am up and down the neck. So just keep up with your good work.
Thanks for your comment Fabio! Glad you found it helpful.
Wow, GB suddenly became Baron Harkonnen and the two brothers fighting over spicy CMaj.
LOL! 😂
I haven't seen P. Farrell's post/stream, but I recall a previous similar incident regarding your perspective on George Benson's technique. It comes across as very UNPROFESSIONAL on P. Farrell's part. I'm curious to know if George Benson, himself, approves of such an unprofessional representation of his work, reputation, & legacy.
Don't waste the 3+hrs watching it unless you get some entertainment value out of it lol.
Hello Chase, I've been performing on guitar since the 60s and studied theory from an excellent professor at California State University at San Diego. I've bought and studied many guitar methods by many jazz guitarists and books of transcriptions of jazz greats. I say all that because I have seen many ways of analyzing music that are all good, even though they have different ways of seeing and explaining things.
Some like Joe Pass really sees things from a simple point of view even though what he finally plays can be as complicated as anyone.
Your analysis is always spot on and it gives a standard, complete harmonic analysis based on the chords and or keys. That way gives the learner foundation on which to build his understanding.
I love Benson, as we all do, and when I saw Peter's posts I thought this would be great to learn more about Benson's style. Instead I found a guy who has great technique and really knows knows how to play Benson's style. But, I have never seen such a guitarrist at his level being so poor at showing what he seems to know. Judging his RUclips posts makes me lose any interest in buying any of his methods. Not only are his explanations lacking, but then he often just skates over the phrases he is teaching without giving time to the learner to comprehend and learn the phrase.
Was it Einstein who said "If you cannot explain simply what you know, you don't really understand it". Peter may understand Benson's playing, but he seems to not understand very well harmonic theory. Which makes what I have seen of his explanations of harmony incomprehensible.
I would guess his attacks are his way of defending himself from comments from guys who say they don't understand him, but they understand guys like you.
Thanks for your comment and support!
He just wants to sell his courses, so he deliberately makes you unable to learn, causing you to buy the courses
dont take this personal Chase. If George Benson is watching this.. HE WONT APPROVE THIS HATE. EVERYONE CAN LEARN AND GROW! SO CONTINIUE TO GROW!!
This Peter guy seems like a complete unhinged guitar nut. He’s got the “tough guy” attitude and mouth. Real turn off as an artist. He obviously has a self entitled view as to his Benson “expertise”as the ultimate and only interpretation. Get over it. Finally his style in shirts says it all. 😂 Love your content Chase keep up the great work.
lmao I laughed at the comment about "his style in shirts says it all" 😂
The most important thing is Chase, you have the ability to translate complex ideas and relate them it in a usable structured way to your subscribers! They can fully then fully understand and be able to play these concepts and use plus enjoy them. I would love to see you get to 1 million subscribers plus . You always make great contributions to musicians period!
Thank you! Maybe one day we'll get there!
Peter is a weird guy, perhaps his content is too advanced for me. His pics with George seem photoshopped and I have a somber theory about their relationship that involves a lawsuit settlement but I'll keep that to myself.
I have no knowledge of any of that. I wouldn't make arbitrary claims about Peter. But thank you for your comment and watching.
Who's Peter Ferrell 😂
😂😂😂
You work is awesome! Haters everywhere 😂
They sure are!
I saw your video of the secret 2 chords about how Benson uses it . And I’ve watched some of his videos as well . Not going to dis Peter but if he’s mad it’s because you explained Bensons idea way better and CLEARER
Thanks for watching the video!
Peter is a great guitar player and his method is really fantastic. I think he shouldnt have taken it personally against you, but everybody who is seriously interested in jazz guitar should check it out
Farrell, big on ego, small on teaching ability. Goes a long way with me for you to take the high road and not to buy into the drama. All of your lessons are grade A and thanks!!! for sharing your knowledge ❤
Farrell money hunger he charges instructional material like an arm and the leg! just go to his website and see for yourself!
My pleasure! 🙏
This video nails it for me, your secret 2 chord explanation and how to use this approach on standards is brilliant and thank you. I also admire the way you deal with the abuse Peter has givens you. Having read all the comments, I think collectively they are firmly behind you plus your great teaching,explanation and application. In my opinion you are without doubt the best online guitar teacher .
I really appreciate you saying that 🙏
That’s kind of absurd: “greatest online guitar teacher”. He is really a good teacher but jazz guitar is one small slice of the guitar world.
What comes first the music or the theory? The music of course, the “theory” is simply an “explanation” of the relationship between the various notes that constitute the music you are listening to. I assume Chase’s video was inspired by Rick Beato’s interview with George Benson. In the interview George Benson clearly states that he condensed the four chords (major, minor diminished and augmented) to two (major and minor) to simplify his thinking while soloing. At (1:12:23) he clearly states the following.
“I condensed those down to two, so I don't have to worry about four. I only worry about two, so that gives me an advantage. I can move faster and I know that I ain’t got to search for nothing, where’s the 4th now, you know, where's the raised five. I don't have to think about that. It is either major or minor depending on where you're putting it and where the melody note is.”
So Peter takes years of listening to George Benson and then claims he has discovered part of the “secret” to George’s unique lines emanating from his incredible musical DNA. He calls it “The Secret of the Two Chords” which simply put, in George’s own words, are major chords and minor chords (as well as their respective superimpositions and substitutions). But this is only part of a well-known theory that has been out there for ages. It is called the Theory of Functional Harmony which describes the relationship between chords in music. And of course it is NOT limited to two chords only! Chase placed his interpretation neatly within that framework whereas Peter claims he “created” the concept of the “secret of two chords” and has exclusive ownership regarding its use. How very sad!! Does Peter not realise that we all share and use the same body of knowledge. Charlie Parker does not stand up in his grave and say “how dare you use that bebop line of mine, I created it. You aren’t qualified to show or teach it to anybody!”
Keep up the good work Chase and thanks for sharing!
Thanks for your comment and the reference to the Beato interview with Benson that I'm referring to 👍
@@ChaseMaddox Always a pleasure. Thanks for editing and hugs to Ramona 😎
By the same token, the musicians in the Bop Era were extremely competitive with one another. If they knew a peer of there's was in the crowd they would try and angle away from them so they couldn't cop what they were doing. It's nice that you don't see drummers throwing cymbals at fellow musician's heads anymore LOL.
Peter's remarks are at odds with what he told me in a Facebook message after I asked him about the price of his PDF and about being a student of George Benson's. Peter said, and I quote, "respect people if you want respect !!!" "That’s they way we work my friend. Stop with this hate. You don’t need it. If you don’t like that’s fine". "but if you allow me to give you a suggestion i would say : don't judge people's work". "if you don't like leave it behind." It looks like he should follow his own advice and "stop with this hate"!
Just watching his video now. I'm sure he's a great player but his attitude is all wrong. I know plenty of well known jazz players who have made albums on ECM and ACT but none of them are like him.. from what I they have told me they wouldn't get jobs if they had an attitude and they have to reign in whatever ego they have.
By the way I'm not a guitarist but one way I think of a 2 chord approach (maj/min) on piano is simply triads over bass notes. You can make a lot of different kinds a chord functions by simply playing triads and altering the bass note... e.g. Cmaj over C#, Cmaj over D and so on... or Cmin over C# etc...
Anyway just wanted to say I love your videos and your style... lack of ego etc..
Thanks for your comment and watching my videos! 🙏
This probably doesn’t mean shit and you probably won’t read this but I make a living playing jazz guitar. I studied with the legendary jack Petersen and many other large names. I teach at a college and literally just finished a tour with a Big Band. I took one “lesson “ from Peter and all he did was try to sell me some BS package to go to Brazil for like 10grand. Then he talked mad shit about Jonathan Kreisberg and Adam Rogers the whole time and I was like completely annoyed. Peter can play some mimic benson shit but he’s kind of an asshole and charges laughable prices. He preys on guitarists who don’t know anything. Avoid him 100percent
That being said don’t sweat him. Most “jazz guitar RUclipsrs “ annoy me anyway but honestly your content is great. I also bought one of your II V I books a year or so back to see what it was all about. You’re doing good stuff. Keep it legit
I read pretty much all the comments and try to respond to as many as I can. I appreciate your comment sharing your experience with Peter and for supporting what I do 🙏
That's a bummer to hear. I've worked with both Kriesberg and Rogers as educational guests at the universities I've attended and taught at and they're both wonderful people who are very open and encouraging to students.
You live rent free in his head. This is a guy who has a big ego, yet he based his entire existence as a musician on a single "influence" (is influence the proper term when you're a copycat). Needless to say, the guy has psychological issues.
Haha I said the same thing to my girlfriend about living rent free in his head 😂
@@anneonym7346 Or call his dad and have a long needed talk. So that he doesn't need to fixate this hard on another father figure.
As a coincidence I had cancelled my subscription to Peter Farrell just the day before I saw your video. I felt something was not quite right with this guy. Now that I saw your video I am glad that I did it
Welcome back! 👍
Crystal clear, Chase. Thanks for explaining your approach to your teaching career. It’s honest and transparent, just like your videos and materials. Keep taking the high road because you’re making a positive impact.
Thanks Adam! That's the goal!
Criticizing someone's teaching method is fine but that is no reason for name calling.
I wish he would put out a video explaining this concept and where I went wrong so we could all learn! But in his livestream he said it would take a lifetime for him to teach it 😂
first things first, lets admit it.. when it comes to learning about benson there really is no better/closer teachings anywhere than Peters material.
secondly, lets not throw the term "paywall" around when you also do it brother. everyone gatekeeps info on the internet, it's the way of the world.
(does it suck for us who dont have much extra cash? yes. but not surprising)
thirdly, yes there's some toxicity coming from his side but i also feel like some acknowledgement in any capacity towards him was due in your video of the 2 chords, as he is the guy who shared that specific methology first. i understand that may drive some potential students his way, but even a "theres another teacher named.. he also teaches this.." would've been enough.
this is just high tier elitism. when you're as good and wise, obv some entitlement and ego is bound to arise and lets face it, he's probably top 100 if not top 50 guitarist in the world in terms of playability and knowledge.
Based on the comments on my last Benson video, I don't think Peter's teaching method is as effective as he claims. Although he does teach the 'official' Benson method. I'm not teaching Peter's method. This is my understanding of Benson's approach to thinking of everything in major and minor.
@@ChaseMaddox i feel that. tbh we just need a peter x chase collab at this point.
i mean i'd like to know who these better guitarist are, besides the popular zoomer instagram guitarists, for ex i think Olli Soikkeli & joscho stephan outrank peter. i'm not saying he's a good teacher, a good person & maybe live there aren't recent examples of peter playing well but the guy knows his theory & can walk the walk.
like i said its just elitism, "my way or the highway", in any walk of life at "high ranks" you'll encounter these behaviors.. at the end of the day you let the guitar do the talking. probs all a little subjective too. @@anneonym7346
I've been studying Peter's method for a few years, and I'd say I'm a huge advocate for what he's teaching. That said, it's very disappointing to see him speak so poorly about another teacher like that. I'll put it down to his fiery latin spirit, but I hope he does learn to direct his criticism with more elegance.
As far as the Secret of Two Chords thing goes, Peter does explain how they're grouped and the logic of it all, but his recent content is so bitty and randomly cut together that it's very hard to get a handle on it unless you watch some of his earlier long-form videos where he really does lay it out in a digestible linear form. Once you get to grips with it, it's an earth-shatteringly powerful way of visualising and simplifying things on the fretboard. It was a revelation for me.
The example you included where he mentions Emin is him playing ascending arpeggios in Cmaj. That Emin is included has literally nothing to do with the Secret of Two Chords, which is a very specific concept.
I suspect Peter may have lost his temper because you're using the term "Secret of Two Chords", which he coined (correct me if I'm wrong on that), so it may be a little galling for him to see you talk about it publicly without fully understanding it. That doesn't excuse the name-calling by any means.
Good guitarists, there 1000s on here. Good teacher's who communicate transformative stuff, like you do, are simply rare, a handfule. I know as I taught professionally for 40 years. You are much appreciated as a teacher. All he achieved with his insults was to increase your sub count not his. You got my sub. btw I discovered you through the Martino "Secret One Chord" video. thanks, great tutorial.
Peter is not worth mentioning. I've studied George for years and am buddies with some of the master guitarists you use for your videos as I have jammed with some. Peter lacks the feel and groove of George. He can disect all he wants from George, but at the end of the day I along with my guitarist buddies, will not listen to him because he's boring. To top it off, by calling you names, he also shows how much of an asshole he is. Chase, keep doing what you do. It's genuine of you, and currently, it's your purpose. Stay focused, stay strong.
Your 2 chords types lesson was great and I wish I watched it much sooner. It helped me a lot thanks. I'll get back to your channel for more content. Don't pay too much attention to Peter Farrell and keep doing your thing.
Hi Chase. Thanks always for all the amazing contents you share on RUclips!. maybe this is not the right place to ask but does your Master 60 251 book cover minor 251s too?
Not worth your time or energy Chase... its amazing the levels of arrogance and insecurity some people have. Music is more about one's expression and musical conversations when playing with others. Move forward with positive vibes... disregard this dude's negative energy.
that Peter guy is toxic. I've seen comments he made in a past video of yours, it was enough for me to never watch anything he does again
You won't see any comments on his videos since he turned them off after that last interaction 😃
Chord substitution is a fundamental idea in any jazz instruction, not a secret, not invented by George Benson. Anybody that's willing to discuss that idea with learners is welcome.
What the hell is this guy’s problem?
Might be a few problems here!
Peter was lucky to have GB teach and endorse him. That being said, I always thought the guy was an arrogant prick! I believe this is the second time he has gone after you. A few years back, I tried to really like Peter's channel but he just does not teach well. He may have learned directly from the great GB and plays well but he can't teach. he is all over the place. I came to your channel and you explain concepts way better than he ever will. It's his ego. It kills him that others know Benson style without ever learning from the man himself. I think that's what eats him, but to go after you and bad mouth you whether it be directly or indirectly shows his insecurity and lack of decency. By the way if you are reading this Peter, Chase plays way faster than you do and Chase plays clean! Peter, you may have learned from Benson, but you are not Benson so just keep your arrogant comments to yourself. I'm a beginner jazz guitarist and I appreciate your teaching Chase! BTW I just went to Peter's live stream and he turned his comment feature off! What a coward! LOL!
Thanks for your support! He's quite a character lol
Annoying LOL. Chase I dare you to keep posting videos and calling it "The Ultimate Benson Style Full Stop" Them I'll comment and as "of all the Benson teachers out there nothing matches you Chase" Talk about giving Ol Peter a heart attack...LOL! I can be such a prick too. If I was as good a guitar player as you, I'd do it on my channel just to piss the guy off! LMFAO!@@ChaseMaddox
@@jazzguitarneophyte-christo7988 Count me in!
Peter fucked up big time.....how would u call your fellow tutor an asshole.....he's not George Benson
I have no idea who Peter Farrell is? It appears he needs to visit a behavioral health clinic to avoid a “mental disorder” diagnosis as defined in the DSM-5”? I joined Chase’s Guitar Academy four months ago and have made more progress than I’ve ever had with any other teacher or program. Chase is a “serious” professional on a mission to ensure aspiring guitarists to reach their goals. You do the work and he will support you every step of the way.
Thanks for the support, Rich! It's been a pleasure working with you in CGA!
Hi Chase, I'm Daniel from Argentina, I always follow your lessons, they are very valuable. As for the other guy, it seems to me that he was bitten by envy, as they say here in Argentina haha.... the guy feels upset because you are ahead of him, simply because He feels inferior to you, however I always saw that good musicians and guitarists speak well of their colleagues but this one surprised me because he is an exception to the rule and speaks of what a bad person he is... well, I continued with your videos that They are very instructive...strength that the entire guitar community supports you, a hug from Argentina
@danielromero-si6xu You make great points. A friend of mine, Chris Cain -- an inspired blues performer with a great love for your country -- has forever exhibited respect and kindness for other musicians and instructors without fail for 50 years. By example, he passively instructs other players how to behave professionally, and everyone is better for it. Perhaps you know of Cain from his many visits to Argentina. Anyway, Farrell has failed in living up to the quiet expectations of professional musicians, and now appears thuggish and petty. We yanks use the term "chicken_s--t" to describe his behavior. Stay well, Daniel. Thanks again, Chase, for helping us learn the important stuff.
Thank you Daniel! I appreciate your support! 🙏
@@anneonym7346 I understand what you're saying and I agree, I'm just using Google Translate because I'm Argentinian and I've never really listened to it, but maybe what I wanted to refer to is that as someone who has guitar methods with someone very well known as is george benson and he explains things about benson, he has such an arrogant attitude, but well I see that the guy has the esteem for the ground haha
@@ChaseMaddox siempre
Peter's teaching is sound and thorough, however his attitude and values as a teacher leave a lot to be desired...
Jazz beef😂😂😂 Your simplified approach is fine, we just talking about a two note difference
Hahaha
It seems you explain what would be charged by a certain other $hundreds, entirely for free in your summary, with exercises and application. I find it rather hubristic that one can assume ownership over the Bensonian brand/technique just because one is very good at it in practice.
I can’t understand half of what Peter says anyway. So I’ll stick to Chase’s channel.
this is one of the better guitar teaching channels i have found. you really give a lot of detailed examples and exercises for free while other channels seem to be purposefully vague in an attempt to get ppl to buy their courses. kinda funny that dude is so mad tbh. maybe its bc his videos don't even get close to the views that's yours do. maybe there's a reason for that...
I'm glad you dig my channel! 👍
I’ve always been very wary of that guy. I’ve heard various things about him over the years.
Love your channel Chase keep up the great work.
And I agree don’t play dmin or F maj over Cmaj7 😃
"Speaking music" is not what Peter Farrell seems to understand ... trying to be a clone of someone else may cause in dying one day as a suspicious copy of someone else with no real emotions of a mature person - the way he attacks other people shows his big ego of an alpha person who thinks in terms of winners and losers only ... and this lack of real awareness caused by his prison of ego might a problem where only a well experienced therapist may help ...
Oh boy! What a mess. Hopefully, I don't add to it. First off, what you are teaching as "The Secret of the 2 Chords" is not the secret of the 2 chords. As far as what Peter is teaching anyway. What you are doing is showing how to use harmonic regions. Basically, the diatonic chords that can be derived from a major key center are categorized into 3 groups.
Tonic: I, iii, vi - giving an at rest or home sound.
Subdominant: ii, IV - shifting away from home, adding some distance and tension
Dominant: vii, V - adding the most tension.
These chords are used in a chord progression to create movement, tension, and excitement within a song. The idea of tension and release.
When confronted with these chords in a song, as a soloist, you can use any of the chords within the same region to create your lines from.
In the Dominant region, you might also be able to use chords from the subdominant region.
For example: In the key of C major, when the band is highlighting a Cmaj chord(Tonic region) you could play lines derived from Cmaj, Emin, or Amin.
if we then switch to a IV chord, Fmaj in the key of "C", this would coincide with the subdominant group, so lines incorporating Dmin and Fmaj also become available.
Moving on to the V chord, Bmin7b5 and G7 ideas can be played.
The tonic group is the most restricting allowing lines only from I, iii, vi.
The subdominant group allows a little more freedom utilizing lines from both tonic and subdominant groups.
The dominant group builds the most tension and freedom allowing you use both subdominant and dominant groups, as well as other types of scales and super impositions.
All of this however, has to be filtered through listening to see if it works within the context of the song that you are playing.
The "Secret of the 2 chords" is, at a basic level, a framework of visualization, that allows a simple way of visualizing the entire fretboard using two chords. a major chord and it's relative minor.
In the key of Cmajor, you use a Cmajor chord and its relative minor, Am. Plotting these 2 chords across the fretboard gives you five positions that might simplify
your ability to visualize where you are on the fretboard.
Using Fmajor in the key of "C" (subdominant group), its relative minor is Dm. The same positions visualized for Cmajor are used, but shifted accordingly.
This is just the basic framework of the secret of 2 chords to which a lot more is added.
Regarding, the snippet that you posted, I think it is taken out of context. That page was discussing chord stacking to describe a mode in modal playing. Not chords that can be played over a Cmaj7 chord in the context of a chord progression in a song. Just below where you cut off was a list of the other modes built off of each degree of the scale.
It was talking about how in the Cmajor family of chords, D dorain, E phrygian, F lydian and so on, all can use the same four chords (Cmaj7, Am7, Fmaj7, Dm7) to describe them. It just depends on the context of what music is being played underneath.
In the end, "The Secret of the 2 Chords", "Harmonic regions" or whatever, are just labels to categorize ideas to make it easier to communicate to others.
It doesn't matter what they are called, just as long as people agree and understand what is being communicated. I think this is where the confusion, misunderstanding and frustration comes in to play. Hope I cleared some stuff up. If not, sorry people, I tried.
I appreciate you taking the time to write this and try to clear things up. Based on what you said, Peter and I are talking about slightly different concepts. As I said in reply to another comment…I originally thought the Secret of the Two Chords was a term coined by Benson. If it is indeed Peter’s term, then I agree another title would’ve been a better choice to distinguish from his concept. However, when I asked Peter on his livestream if he had an issue with me using the same name in my title he said he did not, so his issue is not from me using that.
@@ChaseMaddoxNo problem here! Just thought it would clear up things for your viewers. Great videos by the way! Keep up the good work. I'm sure many people have made cognitive leaps from your content. Rock on dude!
Thank you, appreciate the support! 🤘
Early on in your post, you contrasted the secret of the 2 chords with harmonic region thinking. At the end, it sounded like they were basically the same thing?
@@robfirestone6158 The 2 chord thing is basically a location device used to visualize chords on the fretboard and help you get your bearings. A visual framework that you could then add other things to it once you have it cemented in your head. Because Cmajor and Am share a lot of the same notes, you can think of them as the same chord. If you allow that the Cmajor becomes Cmaj6 with the inclusion of the "A" note. They are both in the same Tonic region and can be resolved to as a home base. Completely depending on the context of the song of course. Using it to give you landmarks along the fretboard, you can then include the harmonic region stuff.
Not sure if that made sense, but just think of the 2 chord thing as a visual fretboard aid and the Harmonic regions, or Diatonic groups as something that gives you other options to use over the chords you are expected to play over like how Chase explained in his video. Hope I didn't muck things up too much.
Class, and focusing on the guitar because thats all that matters. Useful perspective
That's what my channel is about, not the drama and name calling Peter wants to bring in.
Peter Farrell is a horrible teacher. Have never gotten anything from his videos. His opinion doesn’t matter.
I once watched 2 minutes of one of his videos and decided my time was better spent elsewhere. He can play but has NO teaching chops
That's one way to put it!
CHASE , YOU' RE DOING GREAT . I LOVE YOUR TEACHING . PETER , DON'T BE JEALOUS ; YOUR ARE A GREAT PLAYER ALSO.
It seems you two are using the same heading for two different concepts.
The topic of George Benson requires the respect that George has earned on the stage, and off. As the son of a frustrated weekend mandolin player, I was treated to a 1960s and 70s record collection featuring big time players like Howard Roberts, Jerry Reed, Joe Pass, Chet Atkins, Lester Flatt, Johnny Smith and more. As a 10-year-old, living in southern California, I was pretty hip to the spectacular players of the day. It was probably the only thing I was hip to. Later, this curious 15-year-old moved to the remote logging woods of Northern California. Our little town radio station received promo albums from artists outside the C&W genre that they’d never play. Stacks of cool new records filled the place. One was a George Benson album. Asking nicely enabled me to walk away with what looked to be a guitar album. Soon after, I was found collapsed on the floor in front of the console record player, unresponsive. Both my father and I wanted to know what Mr. Benson was doing, and HOW. His virtuosity was obvious, and beyond intelligent. It was so inspiring that it placed him at the top immediately. This album - one of the biggest selling jazz albums of all time - was a stunning introduction into a new world of guitar possibilities. The album was Breezin’, in 1976. So, to my point. After a long and successful career in the creative industry myself, I’m now struggling with the notion that I’ve succeeded in every creative endeavor I’ve undertaken - except for learning HOW Mr. Benson does his thing. Then you show up on the scene, Chase. What a breath of fresh air. There’s hope for me, yet. Even playing a GB-100, I’m still a limited player. But you’ve already helped me quickly reach satisfying steps toward a music goal set some 40 years ago. Don’t change a thing. What you’re doing is hugely valuable. Remember, you only get flack when you’re over the target.
Thanks for your support, Tim! There's definitely hope for you!
An Artist putting down other Artist like this!!! Looses my respect, such a loser Peter
PETER , YOU NEED TO APOLOGIZE THAT WAS WRONG ; TO USE THIS LANGUAGE TOWARDS THIS GUY.
As I posted on Peter's video:
> We're all just grouping the tonic (I, III-, and VI-), the subdominant (II- and IV), and dominant (V and VIIo) harmonic relationships due to shared notes. Yes, we can all feel these because of our shared intuition for the harmonic series, which is a gift to us all. And of course there are the tensions, which makes everything even more ambiguous, interchangeable, and wonderful. Couple all of that with the redundancies and positioning of the guitar. Great. You're definitely not the first person to come across or collect these ideas, neither is George Benson, as if that even mattered.
That said, if we had gotten material directly from someone, it's good to cite them. To be clear, I'm not implying that you had.
Let's not beef, people. If you feel like someone doesn't have something right, you can always ask, "Hey, are you sure that's right? I don't feel like you're emphasizing the right things. Can I show you how I see it?" and have a conversation. Maybe you'll find a grateful person and a new relationship. Maybe you'll find that your "original insight" isn't quite right itself or all that fabulous either in the end. Still, gratitude all around.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts here as well!
I used to watch PF's video's out of professional interest (I am a guitar teacher with 37 years of experience and did the conservatory time). i once commented on something, forgot what it was. His answers wre really unpleasant, putting me down like some idiot. He lacks some social skills that are VERY important to have as a teacher. Other than that, he is always yelling Benson this and Benson that..... That reminds me of a teacher I had when studying classical guitar: he was always yelling Segovia this, Segovia that.... I hated that. If you don't have to say anything for yourself maybe don't teach at all. So: bye bye Peter Farell!
Unfortunately you're not the only one who has had this experience with him. Thanks for your comment!
If he was JOE Farrell, then that would be something 😂
By the way, Happy 81st, George!!
Yes indeed!
It is sad that Peter uses the kind of language he uses. It is good to have a different view point, but to be nasty is a turn off!
I'll keep watching your videos. This other guy is a weirdo. Not interested in anybody's stupid outbursts. Embarrasing for him. Don't get disheartened by that. Keep your head up man.
Thanks again, Matthias! 👍
I liked your secrets video but I was waiting for you to explain if you "found" this secret or the "secret" is a thing that is out there. As David Henderson says below I can see why Peter would be unhappy if you took the concept from him with no credit. But no worries, your teaching is so concise in comparison... to many out there.
There are no 'secrets'. I use the word 'secret' because it's helpful to get people to click on the video on RUclips. In this case, I'm showing how some fundamental music theory ideas that CMaj.7, E-7, and A-7 can be substitutes because they share chord tones. My teaching on this isn't the way Peter teaches it, by his own admission. I'm connecting to the recent Benson interview where he says he only thinks of Major and minor.
He definitely didn't learn any manners from George
I did found your lesson very useful. And you are indeed a very good communicator.
Thank you! Glad it was useful.
Well played, Chase. I've watched Peter's channel too. I think he's a wonderful player and hope he will apologize. Surely, Khrushchev's policy of peaceful co-existence should be the order of the day here rather than mutual assured destruction.
Haha that's an interesting analogy. I won't hold my breath on any apology.
Overpriced courses 350.00 Ebooks.with no videos and does not Teach well...He can Play his but off but need to improve other skills
Only $350 now? They used to be more 😂
@@ChaseMaddox looked and its now 160.00...I guess he figured it out
Peter does have video courses. I have not had the pleasure of seeing them. Peter has Ebooks (PDFs) and "pocket" books as well. In the past he has offered free seminars some with PDFs and has published many many videos over the years. His prices change during the year as he will run sales every now and then.
I'm not a jazz guitarist. And I must admid I am glad about that when I watch this disput over teaching "right" or "wrong" and all your "secrets". That Mr. Farrell has an over-blown ego and has no behavior at all calling somebody else an asshole. He is not worth to be taken seriously to a point where it even does not matter anymore if he is right or wrong. In general to all your jazzers - you take this all too serious - you did not invent some medication that cures people from cancer or some other desease neither you know the "secret" of keeping the world in peace. You are just some musicians who play your music a little more complex than other musicians which the majority of listeners do not care for. So go on and have fun. It seems you forgot about the fun in music and maybe that is keeping a lot of the "ordernary" audience away from enjoying your music. I realized that this kind of "spirit" is growing in other music styles,too, over the last 30 years. I hope for you, Chase Maddox, that this Mr. Farrell is not successfull with bullying you away from youtube.
Best regards
Frank
Although I respect Peter as a guitarist he needs to remember that George Benson is always respectful about other musicians and teachers and would never have responded the way Peter did. Peter could simply have put out a video explaining Benson's two chord method without criticism of anyone else from his perspective. The reason Benson is so highly regarded is not just his phenomenal playing but also his humility, respect and the encouragement he gives to others. Music is not a competition and musical knowledge does not give anyone the right to be disrespectful.
Well said! 👍
I've never heard of this guy before. Ive also never heard of a teacher using such language about another teacher before either. When I clicked on the video I Wasn't expecting guitar influencer beef to be honest 😂😂😂 But I'm here for it. Just Kidding. Have a good day.😄
Haha hope it was entertaining for you! 😄
This guy should send you a thank you note (old old school)-
Before your post I’d never heard of the dude and I’ve been around
(in a good way)
Your explanations were very clear and your examples very useful
And thanks for your civility- There’s enough toxic waste in our world.
Glad you found my examples useful! I won't go down to his level 👍
I was pretty excited at first when I found Farrel's channel, but his behaviour was both weird and nasty. One thing I remember is someone asking him about his guitar during a livestream, and he got angry, saying he wouldn't do anything to promote Ibanez as they were not paying him. All about the money.
Thanks for your comment. It is for some.
You're a very good guitar player and I appreciate your methods. I personally have gained some knowledge from you. Thank you so much for your effort.
Thank you! Glad to have helped you 🙏
Ive had the DISpleasure of working with this guy at a Music School in India. Great guitar player but horrible human being. Riding on George Benson's name is his ticket to open doors. But just horrible, horrible human being. Impossible to work with!
Thanks for your all your videos. Don't let this guy talk trash about you, you are doing a lot of great things for all guitar players across the world and I learned tons of stuff from you. Thanks again dude!
Thanks for watching! If Peter wants to talk about me on his channel, that is his prerogative. If people want to learn from my approach to guitar, they can get that here 👍
Hey Chase, sorry to hear that he didn't like what you shared on RUclips. He's a great player but I also found him very arrogant in the way he presents his teaching materials. It's like he knows it all and you shouldn't be listening to no one else.
Once during one of his live streams, I asked him who is his favourite bossa nova guitarist, and he instantly replied "Me"! 😂😂😂. I replied ok fair enough 😅
Chase, contact George Benson. Have him evaluate your video. Mention the debate with Peter and have Mr. Benson settle it. That's reasonable. As for the name calling, whatever. Not everyone out there is level headed and nice. Finally, everyone makes jazz so academic when in fact it is an ever evolving art form. You could of course have Jimmy Bruno to call out Peter. That might be worth tuning in to watch.
If I ever get the pleasure of speaking to George Benson, I can guarantee you I will have other things to discuss than Peter Farrell 😂
That's pay-per-view gold right there!
No clue about who's peter, but I do learn a lot with your videos. Many thanks for that!
Glad you like them!
Chase, you are awesome. I keep telling my students to check out your channel as there’s so much they can get out of it. Keep doing your thing brother. You know how it is… haters will be haters… and for the record, obviously ONLY Mr Benson himself knows what goes through his mind when he’s playing 😂😂 Like you said, it’s your own take on this (or whatever) material from personal experience, knowledge, listening, teachers, fellow musicians, etc.
All the best Chase!
Awesome! Thank you! I appreciate you sending other guitarists my way! 🙌
I've watched a few PF vids. He seldom actually explains the details behind what he is "teaching". I subscribed to your channel after watching one of your vids. You're clear on your topics and are generous with the theory behind what you are covering. You keep doing what you're doing and don't worry about Peter Farrell. BTW, I am 63 and have been playing for 50 years. You never stop learning and the longer you have played, the more you gravitate towards the real people that you can learn from. You should be very proud of your abilities as a musical educator. And as a guitarist.
Thanks
One of the biggest difference between Peter and myself is our different philosophies of teaching. Thanks for your comment!
He can have his opinion, but there was no need for the name-calling, its embarrassing for an adult
That's his personality 🤷♂️
thank you for the infos that you are sharing. just do what you're doing. spread good vibes and love!
Yeah , not a productive attitude, I wouldn’t want to be around that guy .
Not productive at all, thanks for your comment.
Omg I think someone has a little crush on you- he’s clearly obsessed with you and it’s kind of adorable
Just hilarious !
Don't get too jealous! 😉
bad press is good press ,good press bad press..
Yes indeed!
Never heard of Peter. Typed his name into the search bar and Peter farts is higher on the list than his name. If that's funny
lol it is funny
Having someone say things about you on the internet is a terrible feeling, and I'm sorry for the stress this probably caused you. I'm just going to throw in my 2 cents as someone who's studied with Barry Greene and Peter Farrell for several years each and hopefully offer some other perspectives. Firstly, I think the extract you're pulling from his book might be a typo - I know this sounds like an excuse but hear me out :) - I've studied Peter's videos for ages and I've never seen him advocate Dm7 and Fmaj7 over Cmaj7. I've seen him do a lot of the Cmaj/Am7/Em7 stuff you mentioned though. I think the initial point you make is the same, but there's a lot more nuance in Peter's further lessons about harmonic regions that make it more than just "you can play Am7 over Cmaj7".
I think the timing of this should also be taken into account - clearly with the Beato interview both you and Peter are seeing an uptick of interest and trying to ride the wave - that's cool. If you're both releasing videos every day using the same words to describe your approaches then it's bound to cause some friction.
"I understand that Peter wants to hide his secrets behind his paywall" - I get what you're saying but I'm not sure this is 100% fair. You have to consider that Peter has basically devoted his life to the books and the method he's made with a fair amount of personal sacrifice in terms of flying out to spend time with Benson, filming the lessons, analysing them afterwards etc. Anyone who's watched the Benson + Jody Fischer videos or Benson's art of jazz guitar knows that Benson himself is *not* a good communicator of his own ideas and concepts. It exists at a level beyond language with him (Benson) and he has trouble verbalising it. I know Riche Hart (himself and incredible player and teacher) tried to decode Benson and didn't really succeed. IMO Peter has done an amazing service to the jazz guitar world to spend time with Benson breaking it down at a level that no one else has managed yet. With that in mind, his pricing reflects two things - one is the work that he put in over years and years and years which he never got paid for. The other is that the market will bear those prices and Peter is doing what he needs to do to make a living. Yes, it's not nice for those of us who can't afford it. Yes it's ok to feel annoyed about that situation. But it doesn't seem fair to characterise Peter as someone who's trying to hide something - he's trying to provide for his family same as any of us would do.
I think there's also a cultural/language barrier aspect to this - as a well educated, white male American, your words and demeanour have a power that you maybe don't appreciate fully. In this beef I think a lot of people will side with you because you come across as "professional" and "reasonable" (which you are!) and similarly, people will come away with a worse impression of Peter because his Brazilian sensibilities aren't what they're used to. I'm not sure there's a solution here but I'd say we should cut him some slack. My guess is that he's had to overcome a lot of challenges to get where he is.
As someone who studied Barry's material online for a long time, I feel like we have that base in common. My honest recommendation would be to actually check Peter's stuff out in depth from step 1 - I think you'd get a lot out of it. I know that it helped me make huge leaps in my own playing. I could play before but I'm feeling a sense of freedom that I didn't think was possible given that I'm not a full time musician. If you don't want to go for the books the smart bright lessons he has on his site are a bargain for the price.
Peter who?......❤️you
Peter tends to rip through lick after lick and then look at the camera and smile as if he’s just taught you something. He doesn’t really explain it or show you any finger movements he just rips through a bunch of licks. I mean I know you can slow the video down and that’s fine, that’s his teaching method versus yours. I can appreciate different methods and I don’t think there’s any room for name-calling from Peter, after all this is not a contest it’s just about learning guitar music. I appreciate the way you take time to explain what you’re doing.
My experience exactly. Farrell just turns on the camera and starts riffing and talking - sorry, that’s not teaching, it’s just an ego trip. I appreciate Chase’s work in logically organizing this material - it is helpful and respectful of his audience.
BTW, if Farrell is concerned about ‘ownership’ of a concept, then I guess he should also attack those who write books on any subject. Concepts cannot be copyrighted - everyone has the right to I explain a concept in his/her own style. His demeanor in the video matches perfectly my initial reaction to his sales videos years ago.
The goal here on my channel is definitely about learning how to play guitar 👍
I learned a lot about GB's style through your videos. you are a great teacher. Peter Farrell thinks he's Barry Harris or Jerry Bergonzi
Thank you, glad to hear it! 👍
I enjoy your lessons, they are very clear and well thought through. George Benson is an absolute icon and everyone wants to know his secrets. If you can do more on his playing that would be highly appreciates!
Thanks! I'll still do lessons on Benson when I have something new to share 👍
Sorry to see this flare up between two very talented teachers / musicians. Chase, I enjoyed your video on the secret of two chords, even if it wasn't techincally what George or Peter meant by it- your explanations always are crystal clear and helpful. I did go and check out Peter's videos, and I must say, even if his style is not as clear and didactic as yours, I really appreciate a lot of what he says about the importance of storytelling as opposed to getting needlessly lost in the chord changes. I think there's room for the two of you, and we are all the winners.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Unfortunately it's not the first time he's come after me like that...
Yeah, not cool. Your response, though, was very classy.
Plus 3rds substitutions are pretty common knowledge which to me GB's 2 chord thing is basically like ..
I wouldn't worry about someone comments regarding your teaching methods, and/or your approach to an musical idea. BB King made a good living off a 5 note pentatonic scale. Miles Davis didn't play fast. Unparalleled Johnny Smith, Wes Montgomery, Kenny Burrell played beautifully music. Tal Farlow one of Bensons mentors. Joe Pass virtuoso any jazz song. Long list here. If you can't musically communicate with the listening audience, don't quit your day job. Remember you have to sound and play like you. Not, oh that sounds like...