Hey Z, I highly doubt that you'll read this but I did have a few questions about Patreon involving the signed copies of the book. 1: Does one have to actually join as a Sergeant or higher to receive the signed copy of the book, or could one just donate something between 20 and 25 dollars on the lieutenant option and still be eligible for the copy? 2: Does one have to keep up with consistent monthly payments until the book is released in order to receive the copy, or would it be alright if one were to only have the ability to pay for a single pay period? I'd have to imagine that the answer to the latter question would be no, but I was just making sure as I am kind of low on funds at the moment and I don't want to appear as greedy or cheap if I can't keep up with payments.
@@WaterVolt1917 When the book is ready for publication, I'll send copies out to members who are/were Sergeant tier or higher, and to all long-term donors. The book is just a thank you for all the early donors, so if you donated $20 or more by now, you'll get a copy even if you miss a payment.
@@MonsieurDean Ok, thanks for informing me. I really do enjoy supporting your channel and so I wanted to make sure that I had a complete understanding of the whole book situation. I know that my reply makes it sound like I'm just donating for the book and believe me that's NOT the case (although I obviously enjoy that as well), I just know that I'd be really upset to see your channel go as I've been a subscriber for a few years now and you're by far my favorite alt-history RUclipsr, if not my favorite RUclipsr in general. And because of that reasoning I just needed to know how much money I could realistically donate to you without pushing my limit or looking like a cheapskate. Keep up the good work man, we're all counting on you : ).
Interesting. It would have to be a monarchy for show without any actual power because the allies demanded democracy. This then raises the question if Bavaria and other former monarchies should be reestablished as well.
@@J_Gamer_Mapping Yeah presumably it'd look a lot like the modern UK in just being ceremonial. But I wonder how the other allies would react - irl Britain didn't mind West Germany being a republic, but even if it were a weak/constitutional monarchy in the British zone, it may have delayed the three allied zones from becoming West Germany as quickly.
@@katamattyon True probably. I guess it can be a little difficult to manage a (semi-)monarchy into a democratic federation, especially after WW2 Germany
British occupation zone = Restored Kingdom of Hannover American occupation zone = Federal Bavaria Soviet occupation zone = People's Republic of Prussia French occupation zones = Annexed into France
The German states were originally tribal kingdoms, as were the states of the English Heptarchy. Theoretically, the British Monarchy could claim to be the King of the Saxons, which would give them a claim on all of Old Saxony, which lines up rather neatly with Hanover. Even more ridiculously Germany began as a federation of these tribal kingdoms-turned-duchies, and any duke could be elected King (later Emperor). Thus, a Britain plus Saxony could theoretically become German Emperor if the old elective monarchy returned :^)
Kinda makes me think that in theory England and Germany could unite like Austria-Hungary did in our timeline which would give Germany more resource rich colonies like South Africa, Canada, Ireland and India, but in the event of a succession crisis could lead to a massive Civil War like the Hundred Years War between France and England again like in our timeline.
Scenarios for future Videos: - What if Frederick the Great and Maria Theresia married (maybe with the extra that these two had also a son who inheritated prussia and austria and Title of holy roman emperor)? This would lead to an Austro-Prussian Empire. You can split this timeline into one where Frederick and Maria had a son and one without a son. I would prefer the first timeline, because i think the second would change little to our timeline :) - What if Germany was unified with prussias greater german solution? - What if Prussia splitted up Austria after the German war and annexed all Habsburg lands into the new german empire? - What if germany backstabed Austria hungary with their war with serbia? - What if the 30 years war never happend? - What if America/the USA became a Monarchie, under Fredericks brothers, after their independence? - What if the Confederacy took over the whole USA and implemented slavery in the north? - What if Germany became communist after ww1? - What if the Qing Empire never fall/never was pushed around by the european powers (Opium wars n stuff)/never lost territory to russia, japan and the europeans - What if Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemberg and Switzerland became Part of the german empire (maybe a Greater German Empire Version with Austria, Bohemia, South Tyrol, Slovenia and Istria+ Switzerland and the Low-Countries)? - What if germany formed earlier like france and britain, maybe due a sucessfull Roman conquest of germania or out of east frankia? - What if Maria Theresias father had a son? - What if the spanish Habsburg never died out? -What if the HRE was able to hold nothern Italy? - What if Catholic christianity never gain influence and was replaced by Orthodox christianity? - What if the jews instead of the Christians became dominant in europe? - What if the US colonized the whole american continent (North and South) - What if Germany kept their Alliance with Russia? - What if an German royal House was on the Russian throne (Like in Britain) - What if Russia was able to colonize further into North America and was able to develope the Region? - What if Luxemburg didn't lost Bohemia? - What if imperial china never fell/ was able to colonize and westernize (Qing on it's largest extent) and so werr able to rival europa and japan/was able to hold them out of their sphere and never lost any territory at all, maybe where also able to grow - What if the Dual Empire between France and Germany happened? Thats a short scenario i saw on reddit. The scenario is like this: A french phyrrhic victory in the battle of Leipzig lead to a Hohenzoller-Bonaparte Alliance. - What if the catholics won the 30 years war? - What if the Netherlands lost their revolution? - What if there was never a spanish Austrian Habsburg split? - What if the Bourbons never took over spain? - What if no european power outside the HRE got involved in the 30 years war? - What if there was never the free and slave state system, instead slavery in all US States? - What if the Lands of Preußen and Pommerian got inherited by the Habsburgs? - What if Karl V never split up his lands between his brother and his son, instead giving Austria, Spain and the HRE to his son? - What if then Yuan Dynasty never fell/ stayed in power until the time where the Qing Dynasty took over? - What if China became Christian? - What if the allies conquered Berlin first? - What if the allies never supported the UDSSR during WW2 instead fight germany independend from Russia? - What if China joined the central powers in ww1? - What if Qing china industrialized in the 1800s? - What if the megaflora and megafauna never died out? - What if the oxygen in the atmosphere never decreased? (Would lead to giant insects) - What if Mexico won the mexican american war? - What if the first mexican empire never fall apart? - What if the Soviet-Union annexed Finland? - What if Russia beat germany in ww1? - What if the Qing Empire won their wars they had until WW1? - What if bulgaria won the balkan war? - What if italy joined the central powers? - What if Frederick the Great never existed? - What if Austria never got Hungary? - What if Caesar wasn't assasinated? - What if Aurelian wasn't killed? - What if Prussia annexed also the Jutland or all of Denmark? - What if Barbarossa was a sucess, so a quick soviet defeat/collapse in 1941 or 1942 - What if Alexander the great never died early? - What if the persians beat the greeks? - What if Alexander the great never existed? - What if Prussia didn't lost their polish lands after Napoleon? - What if Prussia beat Napoleon? - What if Himmler/the SS dethroned Hitler before WW2 or before Barbarossa and took over Germany? - What if Edward VIII never abdicated and empowered the Kings Party? - What if Israel took/kept the sinai peninsula? - What if Morocco accepted the EU Membership? - What if East Asia was Rich and developed?
What if Hera had married Hades instead of Zeus ? What if France became fascist before World War II ? What if Queen Victoria married Franz Josef ? P. S. Queen Victoria and Maria Sophie of Bavaria were beautiful women when they were younger. I wouldn't mind having A night with them.
That's a very interesting alternative history, the connection with Hanover isn't given much thought here in the UK, as the focus on that period tends to be on the Empire. Really everything else would flow from the impact on unification. It might actually have had very little, Britain was in favour of a strong Germany as a counter balance to France and Russia, it conceivable that Victoria might have given up the crown of Hanover, remember she was influential but she did not decide British policy, and not being involved too closely in European matters. Its also possible that Bismark might well have used force to take Hanover, gambling Britain would not fight for it, and he might have been right. That though would have permanently soured relations and may have brought forward Britain's move to closer relations with France and Russia. That might have brought forward the conditions that resulted in WW1, to give us a much earlier war.
Pretty crazy that during WW2 the British military was bombing the sites of it's own royalty, and the origin area of the Saxons. The British Monarch is all from Germany, and the Angle and Saxon settlers originate from Germany as well. Ironically post WW2 a British military man saved VW and helped it stay alive by producing military vehicles for the Allied occupation force as well as civilian vehicles. Similar to how the US contracted Toyota during the occupation of Japan and after, to build American jeeps under license for the Korean War and the patrol of the DMZ, those Jeep copies became the basis for what would become the FJ, which would go on to become the grandfather to all Toyota SUVs such as the Landcruiser.
Even crazier that WW1 was basically a family feud between royal cousins since King George and Kaiser Wilhelm were cousins and Tsar Nicholas and Kaiser Wilhelm were also cousins and all 3 were direct descendants of King George II
This is cool and what a co-insidence. I was asking this question last week or week before, in Discord, "How could Britain keep hold of some of continental lands, and not just a few islands in the Med". This video has made me have a big smile.
Think about what would've happened if Britain kept Hanover. 1. Germany would not have unified, therefore WW1 and by extension WW2 wouldn't have happened. 2. If America had stayed loyal instead of being treacherous swine, slavery would've ended 30 years before the US outlawed it and the US Civil War wouldn't have happened. 3. As the militarisation and manufacturing capacities of the USSR only happened because of WW2, the USSR would be nothing to compared to the British Empire if it had retained the USA, therefore the Cold War and threat of nuclear war wouldn't exist. 4. Russia not having any real power would mean that they wouldn't be able to arm countries in the middle-east, leading to no Middle-Eastern "forever wars". 5. Vietnam wouldn't have happened 6. China wouldn't be a threat due to isolation In short, The British Empire did nothing wrong. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Now the only hope for something like that is for nationalists/reactionaries in America to embrace Anglo-Saxonism and try to make a second Empire, like an Anglo Byzantium.
"China wouldn't have been a threat due to isolation." Yes they would have been. Neither the kmt (whom probably would have won without the idiot Marshall doctrine) nor the CCP wanted to isolate China. China simply has too large a population and too many resources not to become a threat
@@mappingshaman5280 Only in the north. Dixie was always predominantly British by blood. Even the Yankees have a lot more Anglo in them than they like to admit; the surname frequency for instance wildly mismatches with the self-reported ethnicities, and in the 80s the census showed a large Anglo majority among whites that almost certainly didn't change in that time. Besides, the Germans who are the second largest group are easy to assimilate.
@One beat brony "ruining native cultures." No our cultures largely ruined themselves by emulating the blacks in America. "Nearly killing off irish and Scottish culture." How? The only thing that was killed off was their languages and the Scottish were disproportionately represented in the ruling classes of the British empire. Look at the mountbattens or Lord linlithigow.
What if they decided to be shitposters and reinstated the Holy Roman Empire post WW2? It would be an abomination, but more importantly it would be hilarious.
@@BHuang92 Sort of. Like if each of the occupation zones was annexed by the country that was occupying it. For instance, Baden-Württemburg would go to France, Hanover and Schleswig-Holstein would go to Britain, Bavaria would go to the US, and so on.
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar4256 Just as BW was occupied half by the USA and this half included all the major cities. Holy, get your facts straight and do some reading before you spread your half truths.
@@razzledazzle488 My point is that the bundersländer would be divided. I am not spreading any half truths. I know that Baden-Württemburg was half occupied, however I am saying that maybe Germany would be partitioned along the state borders and not the occupation zone borders. Calm down, you sound very upset over something that is frankly very stupid and negligible.
Actually the people of Hanover bitterly resented Prussia. Up to 1918 the Guelph Party had four seats in the German Parliament, advocated separation from Prussia and some restoration of the Guelph Dynasty. After WW1 there was a petition for a separate German state of Hanover but it did not reach a majority in a referendum. After WW2 the Hanoverians wished again and the British grant their wish for a few months after which Hanover became part of Lower Saxony.
Britain did not have a claim to Hanover. The kings of Britain starting with George I were also kings of Hanover. That the same person is monarch of both countries does not mean one country owns the other. Hanover followed Salic law, under which a woman cannot be the monarch. So when Queen Victoria ascended to the British throne, her uncle became king of Hanover.
11:34 well, my question is, would they even be allowed to unify? The treaty of Versailles prevented Austria and Germany from unifying so, wouldn't the UK and France be against the unification of Hanover and Germany as well?
What if Hanover joined Great Britain and became like Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland? Maybe in that vote for independence you mentioned, it went the other way?
The biggest issue with the Kingdom of Hangover was that the elites of the state wouldn't be willing to adopt a liberal constitution like Britain did. Towards the Austro-Prussian War, Hanover very reluctantly adopted a Parliament. London couldn't have been happier with the results of Sallic Law severing ties between the personal union of both Hanover and Britain bc it meant tying itself firmly to the continent whereas many elites in Britain had wanted to keep itself out as much as possible.
I think Hanover would probably be allowed to join the NGF and possibly the Empire as a state with significant autonomy under one of Victoria's chuldren
I think that if the Nazis were still to rise to power, in this alternate timeline Hanover might’ve been a major to the Nazi’s side because after a whole, say 1934, there’d likely be frequent revolutions popping up in Hanover due to hatred towards German fascism and how many Hanoverians would’ve wanted Hanover to remain independent. This combined with fact Hanover would’ve been everything Hitler hated, would likely left Hanover frequently suppressed which I believe would spark a Hanoverian War of Independence, it would’ve been extremely brutal and draw the attention of foreign nations, (I’m going with if Hanover wins here) the following treaty would likely see Germany be forced to recognise Hanoverian independence and remove German troops from Hanoverian soil. Afterwards, because Hitler wouldn’t have likely wanted history to repeat itself, he’d temporarily forget about Hanover and expand Germany into Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland, thus starting WWII, like in our timeline, the only difference being that Britain and France intervene in Germany (and Italy)’s expansion policy sooner because they would’ve fully remilitarised in the Hanoverian War of Independence, (appeasement was meant to simply buy time for Britain and France to remilitarise) before occupying France and maybe annexing Hanover unless the Hanoverians already heavily fortify their defences. If that happens with Hanover surviving the German invasion and helping the allied powers take down Nazi Germany, I’d expect a fifth occupation zone of Germany, with that one belonging to Hanover, which also annex some extra territory. The Cold War would play out as usual, with the only difference being Hanover likely joining NATO and the EU, as well as getting involved in the Korean War and Vietnam War and the rest of the timeline would play out as normal, just with Hanover being independent.
I think your overlooking that a common monarch doesn't mean any unified state or Britain controlling Hanover. The possession of the region was controversial in Britain in the 18thC as a number of prominent political figures objected to the idea of Britain being pushed into wars which were seen as being supported by the king to secure/expand his Hanoverian kingdom. However going with the option you have and Hanover staying under Vicky and Albert rather than the ultra-conservative Ernest who overthrew the more liberal elements in the Hanoverian constitution could make for an interesting situation when the mid-19thC pressures for social change lead to things like the 1848 revolts and then if Bismarck still comes to power in Germany. A liberal Hanover linked to the most powerful state in the world at the time - albeit it couldn't match the Prussian army in the short term - would complicate matters for people like Bismarck greatly. It could well still side with Austria in an 1866 equivalent but might be more successful even without direct British support. Also could well escape the OTL annexation since that would be a continued sore point both in occupied Hanover as it would be to the locals and in terms of British-Prussian relations. It might even be a factor bringing Britain into a Franco-Prussia/German war as Britain sees the chance to liberate the region. Anyway a hell of a lot would be different even if large scale forces seek to drive the key events as OTL.
Hitler entered Germany through Bavaria. He used to live in Austria before. At this point, there are two paths: Nazi uprising start in Germany, putting Himmler as the chanceler, the anchluss of Bavaria (still communist) before Austria, leading to the USSR joining and Bavaria gaining all of southern Germany in the end of the war, or Bavaria turning Fascist, the Nazi party being banned in the Weimar Republic, and eventually leading to the annexation of Bavaria.
I would have thought that there would be a diplomatic marriage leading to a House of Hohenzollern and Saxe-Coburg union, creating effectively a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Deutschland.
Maybe Britain would allow German Unification after the First World if and only if Hanover became the German heartland and seat of government, its democracy under Hanoverian leadership being placed in charge. It may also be interesting how such reparations would flow out of the rest of germany into Hanover in tue post war years and how or if Hanover would turn it over to britain or use it themselves.
I doubt with British Hanover still a thing the Germans would become a naval competitor to the British, possibly easing British fears especially with Germany weaker on land as well.
If Britain kept its Hanover lands perhaps that little extra bit of English speaking population would cause universal comprehension of apostrophe usage.
Sorry to be a nerd saying "um, actually," but... Even under a semi-Salic succession, Victoria still COULD NOT become Queen of Hanover. There was still an active male line through the Duke of Cumberland (as there still is), so in order for her to succeed, the Cumberland line MUST become extinct. Even if we wipe out the Cumberland line, Hanover (if still around by 1952) would still split from Britain & be ruled by the Duke of Gloucester as King Henry. The nature of personal unions is that they are generally ruled separately, & you are very optimistic on the Germans simply tolerating this uprooting of their traditional laws of succession because "modern". Other than that, I thought it was great video. I'm sorry if the above sounds overly critical - I'm a real nerd, & I can get very nitpicky.
I think if Britian had kept Hanover, they would have joined the Central Powers (or at least supported them while not committing any troops) to keep Hanover from being conquered by the German Empire (which would most likely be the result if Britain joined the Entente)
I'd don't it's very likely William IV would have changed the Salic law in Hanover. I think it's more likely that George IV, while he was regent might have changed the law to allow his daughter, Princess Charlotte to inherit. If it wasn't changed back after she died in childbirth, then ultimately Victoria would have inherited.
so in the german empire, the kingdom of bavaria was subject to the german emperor. it could be sorta like the hre where you can have territory outside the empire but it doesnt have to be in the empire
a liberal hanover for germans in 1848 would result in a less populated us and much more populated germany. Britain could also install the king of Hanover as the Kaiser in a consititional role and curb france's bloodlust seeing their ties to the now leader of germany. This overpopulated germany still needs expansion room so they might buy land from other europeans.
You can also turn it around: The British royal family is a German house of monarchs - Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha. So a German royal house is ruling Britain for the rest of the monarchy's life there :P IF they would rule about old saxon territories in good old Germany then it is not a Britain family is ruling in or about German territory, it is just a sort of "coming home" to their ancestors roots.
I imagine if ww2 still happens and the cold war occurs, hanover may stay independent rather than join west germany, if only for having a potentially different identity. I bet they would join the EU also
I can’t understand you through your accent/speech impediment. ‘Th’ is a really important sound in English, if you can’t pronounce it people will struggle to understand you. Similar with the the words ‘can’ and ‘can’t’, if you don’t pronounce them differently your speech will be impossible to understand. Could have been a good video.
Interesting...How about Thuringian States? because Queen Victoria, House Of Hanover ends and House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha starts.. does logical for Britain for Annexation of that particular Thuringian State?
With Bavaria being independent in this scenario...there is no guarantee that they would join in WW1. They may just sit it out. The Austrian Corporal started his rise to power in a united Germany, but specifically in Bavaria. Bavaria being independent puts a HUGE hurdle in Uniting all "German" speaking people's and would probably prevent the Austrian Corporal from gaining enough power to pull off what he did in our time line. I also suspect the Bavarian dialect of German would become even more distinct than it is now, possibly becoming its own language by our time.
One big butterfly is the almost WWI in the early 1860’s, with the CSA, UK and France against USA, Prussia and Russia, with the following flash points: Trent Affair Battle of Antitem Polish uprising in Jan 1863 Russian offer to join Prussia in a war against France and Austria to unify Germany in summer 1863 after the twin disasters of Gettysburg and Vicksburg and Poland was crushed. In particular the last is the most dangerous. OTL Bismarck rejected because he wanted to unify Germany alone, but in this case that would be impossible. As such, Bismarck may accept this.
If you're can me so bold as to offer a suggestion, please keep the background music to a minimum if you are speaking English with a thick accent. Very distracting.
I imagine opening a war in North Germany might lead to the war ending earlier because, the Germans where winning on all fronts, which meant all negotiations with them was difficult because they where winning, and in the later years Germany at the bare minimum wanted Belgium as a puppet, but with a British invasion of the north and major city's captured, its possible Germany might except a more reasonable peace, not to mention untilled number of men and resources being pulled from both the west and eastern fronts, who's to say what the war looks like
Id probably see the hanoverians getting another member of the family to rule there as its own independent kingdom or grand duchy, not a Republic eg keeping British constitutional monarchy but being independent... though heavily linked with Britain which could he solved by a marriage with the German empire or a large state within eg bavaria
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Hey Z, I highly doubt that you'll read this but I did have a few questions about Patreon involving the signed copies of the book. 1: Does one have to actually join as a Sergeant or higher to receive the signed copy of the book, or could one just donate something between 20 and 25 dollars on the lieutenant option and still be eligible for the copy? 2: Does one have to keep up with consistent monthly payments until the book is released in order to receive the copy, or would it be alright if one were to only have the ability to pay for a single pay period? I'd have to imagine that the answer to the latter question would be no, but I was just making sure as I am kind of low on funds at the moment and I don't want to appear as greedy or cheap if I can't keep up with payments.
@@WaterVolt1917 When the book is ready for publication, I'll send copies out to members who are/were Sergeant tier or higher, and to all long-term donors. The book is just a thank you for all the early donors, so if you donated $20 or more by now, you'll get a copy even if you miss a payment.
@@MonsieurDean Ok, thanks for informing me. I really do enjoy supporting your channel and so I wanted to make sure that I had a complete understanding of the whole book situation. I know that my reply makes it sound like I'm just donating for the book and believe me that's NOT the case (although I obviously enjoy that as well), I just know that I'd be really upset to see your channel go as I've been a subscriber for a few years now and you're by far my favorite alt-history RUclipsr, if not my favorite RUclipsr in general. And because of that reasoning I just needed to know how much money I could realistically donate to you without pushing my limit or looking like a cheapskate. Keep up the good work man, we're all counting on you : ).
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What if Britain restored the Hanoverian monarchy in their zone of Germany after WWII?
What if
Interesting. It would have to be a monarchy for show without any actual power because the allies demanded democracy. This then raises the question if Bavaria and other former monarchies should be reestablished as well.
@@J_Gamer_Mapping Yeah presumably it'd look a lot like the modern UK in just being ceremonial. But I wonder how the other allies would react - irl Britain didn't mind West Germany being a republic, but even if it were a weak/constitutional monarchy in the British zone, it may have delayed the three allied zones from becoming West Germany as quickly.
@@katamattyon True probably. I guess it can be a little difficult to manage a (semi-)monarchy into a democratic federation, especially after WW2 Germany
British occupation zone = Restored Kingdom of Hannover
American occupation zone = Federal Bavaria
Soviet occupation zone = People's Republic of Prussia
French occupation zones = Annexed into France
Hanover unifies germany and forms the Dominion of Germany
The late author Keith Laumer imagined an Anglo-German Empire in his science fiction books.
The German states were originally tribal kingdoms, as were the states of the English Heptarchy. Theoretically, the British Monarchy could claim to be the King of the Saxons, which would give them a claim on all of Old Saxony, which lines up rather neatly with Hanover. Even more ridiculously Germany began as a federation of these tribal kingdoms-turned-duchies, and any duke could be elected King (later Emperor). Thus, a Britain plus Saxony could theoretically become German Emperor if the old elective monarchy returned :^)
Kinda makes me think that in theory England and Germany could unite like Austria-Hungary did in our timeline which would give Germany more resource rich colonies like South Africa, Canada, Ireland and India, but in the event of a succession crisis could lead to a massive Civil War like the Hundred Years War between France and England again like in our timeline.
@@legoworksstudios1 we Need an alt history of this
I like this (first comment) as the English Heptarchy gets a mention.. :)
@@kaiserschmarrn260 yeah now that I think about it, an Anglo-German alliance would be an interesting scenario.
@@legoworksstudios1 United Kingdom of Magna Britannia and Magna Germania
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What about a video on "what if the Fashoda Incident escalated leading to a war between the UK and France in 1898"
Always wondered that
Britain wins and probably ww1 doesn’t happen because France couldn’t feasibly risk war without Britain’s support
Russia: yeah, beat the froggy up!
USA: yeah, beat the tea addict up!
Germany: *grabs popcorn* yeah, beat eachother up!
@Sakkra101 I would say the same
What if The Optimates won Caesar’s Civil war ?
Working on it as we speak.
@@MonsieurDean I can’t wait
@@MonsieurDean Thank You :)
In HOI4, I typically give Hanover back to England/Britain, depending on how the game goes.
Scenarios for future Videos:
- What if Frederick the Great and Maria Theresia married (maybe with the extra that these two had also a son who inheritated prussia and austria and Title of holy roman emperor)? This would lead to an Austro-Prussian Empire. You can split this timeline into one where Frederick and Maria had a son and one without a son. I would prefer the first timeline, because i think the second would change little to our timeline :)
- What if Germany was unified with prussias greater german solution?
- What if Prussia splitted up Austria after the German war and annexed all Habsburg lands into the new german empire?
- What if germany backstabed Austria hungary with their war with serbia?
- What if the 30 years war never happend?
- What if America/the USA became a Monarchie, under Fredericks brothers, after their independence?
- What if the Confederacy took over the whole USA and implemented slavery in the north?
- What if Germany became communist after ww1?
- What if the Qing Empire never fall/never was pushed around by the european powers (Opium wars n stuff)/never lost territory to russia, japan and the europeans
- What if Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemberg and Switzerland became Part of the german empire (maybe a Greater German Empire Version with Austria, Bohemia, South Tyrol, Slovenia and Istria+ Switzerland and the Low-Countries)?
- What if germany formed earlier like france and britain, maybe due a sucessfull Roman conquest of germania or out of east frankia?
- What if Maria Theresias father had a son?
- What if the spanish Habsburg never died out?
-What if the HRE was able to hold nothern Italy?
- What if Catholic christianity never gain influence and was replaced by Orthodox christianity?
- What if the jews instead of the Christians became dominant in europe?
- What if the US colonized the whole american continent (North and South)
- What if Germany kept their Alliance with Russia?
- What if an German royal House was on the Russian throne (Like in Britain)
- What if Russia was able to colonize further into North America and was able to develope the Region?
- What if Luxemburg didn't lost Bohemia?
- What if imperial china never fell/ was able to colonize and westernize (Qing on it's largest extent) and so werr able to rival europa and japan/was able to hold them out of their sphere and never lost any territory at all, maybe where also able to grow
- What if the Dual Empire between France and Germany happened? Thats a short scenario i saw on reddit. The scenario is like this: A french phyrrhic victory in the battle of Leipzig lead to a Hohenzoller-Bonaparte Alliance.
- What if the catholics won the 30 years war?
- What if the Netherlands lost their revolution?
- What if there was never a spanish Austrian Habsburg split?
- What if the Bourbons never took over spain?
- What if no european power outside the HRE got involved in the 30 years war?
- What if there was never the free and slave state system, instead slavery in all US States?
- What if the Lands of Preußen and Pommerian got inherited by the Habsburgs?
- What if Karl V never split up his lands between his brother and his son, instead giving Austria, Spain and the HRE to his son?
- What if then Yuan Dynasty never fell/ stayed in power until the time where the Qing Dynasty took over?
- What if China became Christian?
- What if the allies conquered Berlin first?
- What if the allies never supported the UDSSR during WW2 instead fight germany independend from Russia?
- What if China joined the central powers in ww1?
- What if Qing china industrialized in the 1800s?
- What if the megaflora and megafauna never died out?
- What if the oxygen in the atmosphere never decreased? (Would lead to giant insects)
- What if Mexico won the mexican american war?
- What if the first mexican empire never fall apart?
- What if the Soviet-Union annexed Finland?
- What if Russia beat germany in ww1?
- What if the Qing Empire won their wars they had until WW1?
- What if bulgaria won the balkan war?
- What if italy joined the central powers?
- What if Frederick the Great never existed?
- What if Austria never got Hungary?
- What if Caesar wasn't assasinated?
- What if Aurelian wasn't killed?
- What if Prussia annexed also the Jutland or all of Denmark?
- What if Barbarossa was a sucess, so a quick soviet defeat/collapse in 1941 or 1942
- What if Alexander the great never died early?
- What if the persians beat the greeks?
- What if Alexander the great never existed?
- What if Prussia didn't lost their polish lands after Napoleon?
- What if Prussia beat Napoleon?
- What if Himmler/the SS dethroned Hitler before WW2 or before Barbarossa and took over Germany?
- What if Edward VIII never abdicated and empowered the Kings Party?
- What if Israel took/kept the sinai peninsula?
- What if Morocco accepted the EU Membership?
- What if East Asia was Rich and developed?
What if Hera had married Hades instead of Zeus ?
What if France became fascist before World War II ?
What if Queen Victoria married Franz Josef ?
P. S. Queen Victoria and Maria Sophie of Bavaria were beautiful women when they were younger. I wouldn't mind having A night with them.
For the last one, I believe that's going to be a matter of when rather than if.
What if adam never had touched eva because he was gay?
@@sylvorius2642 lol
then there will be no us
* angry bismarck noises in the distance *
England! England! UBER ALLES!
Happy Hannover noises
What if Boris Johnson became president of the United States instead of becoming PM of the UK
what are you smoking mate
Vegan sausage rolls
United Kingdom of The British states
@@neonyzr Johnson was born in the US, so theoretically he could become President
Civil War 2: Borisian Boogaloo
That's a very interesting alternative history, the connection with Hanover isn't given much thought here in the UK, as the focus on that period tends to be on the Empire. Really everything else would flow from the impact on unification. It might actually have had very little, Britain was in favour of a strong Germany as a counter balance to France and Russia, it conceivable that Victoria might have given up the crown of Hanover, remember she was influential but she did not decide British policy, and not being involved too closely in European matters.
Its also possible that Bismark might well have used force to take Hanover, gambling Britain would not fight for it, and he might have been right. That though would have permanently soured relations and may have brought forward Britain's move to closer relations with France and Russia. That might have brought forward the conditions that resulted in WW1, to give us a much earlier war.
Finally, the Hanoverians are given some recognition!
What if the Beer Hall Putsch succeeded? I think this is an incredibly untapped scenario
I agree or a redo of What If the Strasserists took power?
Pretty crazy that during WW2 the British military was bombing the sites of it's own royalty, and the origin area of the Saxons. The British Monarch is all from Germany, and the Angle and Saxon settlers originate from Germany as well. Ironically post WW2 a British military man saved VW and helped it stay alive by producing military vehicles for the Allied occupation force as well as civilian vehicles. Similar to how the US contracted Toyota during the occupation of Japan and after, to build American jeeps under license for the Korean War and the patrol of the DMZ, those Jeep copies became the basis for what would become the FJ, which would go on to become the grandfather to all Toyota SUVs such as the Landcruiser.
Even crazier that WW1 was basically a family feud between royal cousins since King George and Kaiser Wilhelm were cousins and Tsar Nicholas and Kaiser Wilhelm were also cousins and all 3 were direct descendants of King George II
Tbf most english ancestry comes from brittonic tribes, who are celts, so it isn't really their ancestral homeland
This is cool and what a co-insidence. I was asking this question last week or week before, in Discord, "How could Britain keep hold of some of continental lands, and not just a few islands in the Med".
This video has made me have a big smile.
Think about what would've happened if Britain kept Hanover.
1. Germany would not have unified, therefore WW1 and by extension WW2 wouldn't have happened.
2. If America had stayed loyal instead of being treacherous swine, slavery would've ended 30 years before the US outlawed it and the US Civil War wouldn't have happened.
3. As the militarisation and manufacturing capacities of the USSR only happened because of WW2, the USSR would be nothing to compared to the British Empire if it had retained the USA, therefore the Cold War and threat of nuclear war wouldn't exist.
4. Russia not having any real power would mean that they wouldn't be able to arm countries in the middle-east, leading to no Middle-Eastern "forever wars".
5. Vietnam wouldn't have happened
6. China wouldn't be a threat due to isolation
In short, The British Empire did nothing wrong. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Now the only hope for something like that is for nationalists/reactionaries in America to embrace Anglo-Saxonism and try to make a second Empire, like an Anglo Byzantium.
"China wouldn't have been a threat due to isolation." Yes they would have been. Neither the kmt (whom probably would have won without the idiot Marshall doctrine) nor the CCP wanted to isolate China. China simply has too large a population and too many resources not to become a threat
@@Burgermeister1836 *germans, italians, Irish etc LARPing as anglo saxon nationalists
@@mappingshaman5280 Only in the north. Dixie was always predominantly British by blood. Even the Yankees have a lot more Anglo in them than they like to admit; the surname frequency for instance wildly mismatches with the self-reported ethnicities, and in the 80s the census showed a large Anglo majority among whites that almost certainly didn't change in that time. Besides, the Germans who are the second largest group are easy to assimilate.
@One beat brony "ruining native cultures." No our cultures largely ruined themselves by emulating the blacks in America.
"Nearly killing off irish and Scottish culture." How? The only thing that was killed off was their languages and the Scottish were disproportionately represented in the ruling classes of the British empire. Look at the mountbattens or Lord linlithigow.
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Immerhin hätten wir dann unendlich Tee
*I see that is an absolute Win*
Außer wenn Mann kein Tee mag
@@kaiserschmarrn260 *UNACCEPTABLE!!!*
What if Germany has claim over Great Britain?
They righfully do. Change my mind.
@@J_Gamer_Mapping What if the Habsburgs annexed Japan ?
@@J_Gamer_Mapping How do they? Enlighten me.
@@savagedarksider5934 Empire of Britannica? Code Geass?
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar4256 If Wilhelm II made his claim to the British throne via Grandmother Queen Victoria
What if Germany was partitioned amongst the four main Allies after WW2?
If you mean the the three Western Allies didn't merge to form West Germany?
What if they decided to be shitposters and reinstated the Holy Roman Empire post WW2? It would be an abomination, but more importantly it would be hilarious.
@@BHuang92 Sort of. Like if each of the occupation zones was annexed by the country that was occupying it. For instance, Baden-Württemburg would go to France, Hanover and Schleswig-Holstein would go to Britain, Bavaria would go to the US, and so on.
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar4256 Just as BW was occupied half by the USA and this half included all the major cities. Holy, get your facts straight and do some reading before you spread your half truths.
@@razzledazzle488 My point is that the bundersländer would be divided. I am not spreading any half truths. I know that Baden-Württemburg was half occupied, however I am saying that maybe Germany would be partitioned along the state borders and not the occupation zone borders. Calm down, you sound very upset over something that is frankly very stupid and negligible.
In the spirit of this video: What if Kaiser Frederick III didn't die in 1888?
Actually the people of Hanover bitterly resented Prussia. Up to 1918 the Guelph Party had four seats in the German Parliament, advocated separation from Prussia and some restoration of the Guelph Dynasty. After WW1 there was a petition for a separate German state of Hanover but it did not reach a majority in a referendum. After WW2 the Hanoverians wished again and the British grant their wish for a few months after which Hanover became part of Lower Saxony.
Britain did not have a claim to Hanover. The kings of Britain starting with George I were also kings of Hanover. That the same person is monarch of both countries does not mean one country owns the other.
Hanover followed Salic law, under which a woman cannot be the monarch. So when Queen Victoria ascended to the British throne, her uncle became king of Hanover.
I didn't not expect the german dude
No one ever expects the German dudes (especially not France or the Soviets)
You want to know more about Hanover? Here you go, another great video:
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11:34 well, my question is, would they even be allowed to unify? The treaty of Versailles prevented Austria and Germany from unifying so, wouldn't the UK and France be against the unification of Hanover and Germany as well?
I really enjoyed the music in this one
What if Hanover joined Great Britain and became like Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland? Maybe in that vote for independence you mentioned, it went the other way?
"Sohn einer Dirne!" ( 5:39) caught me a bit off guard
Do What if The Netherlands crushed the Belgian rebellion?
What if the Belgians annexed the Dutch Empire?
The "Little-Bit-Better" Timeline
The biggest issue with the Kingdom of Hangover was that the elites of the state wouldn't be willing to adopt a liberal constitution like Britain did. Towards the Austro-Prussian War, Hanover very reluctantly adopted a Parliament.
London couldn't have been happier with the results of Sallic Law severing ties between the personal union of both Hanover and Britain bc it meant tying itself firmly to the continent whereas many elites in Britain had wanted to keep itself out as much as possible.
I think Hanover would probably be allowed to join the NGF and possibly the Empire as a state with significant autonomy under one of Victoria's chuldren
In 1937 were two movements in Hanover to prevent King Ernst August: a large one aiming for one of his LIBERAL brothers and a small one for Victoria.
Awesome, loved it.
Could you maybe do 'What if the North Sea Empire Never Fell'?
Thank you.
Nice. Gives me an idea for a timeline. What if the British unified Germany through Hannover? Is this likely to happen? No. But it would be interesting
You sound very german in this video
Oh now it makes sense.
Yes, I took extra German pills for this video.
@@MonsieurDean Herr Z
I find that insulting(...yet true)4:12
I think that if the Nazis were still to rise to power, in this alternate timeline Hanover might’ve been a major to the Nazi’s side because after a whole, say 1934, there’d likely be frequent revolutions popping up in Hanover due to hatred towards German fascism and how many Hanoverians would’ve wanted Hanover to remain independent. This combined with fact Hanover would’ve been everything Hitler hated, would likely left Hanover frequently suppressed which I believe would spark a Hanoverian War of Independence, it would’ve been extremely brutal and draw the attention of foreign nations, (I’m going with if Hanover wins here) the following treaty would likely see Germany be forced to recognise Hanoverian independence and remove German troops from Hanoverian soil. Afterwards, because Hitler wouldn’t have likely wanted history to repeat itself, he’d temporarily forget about Hanover and expand Germany into Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland, thus starting WWII, like in our timeline, the only difference being that Britain and France intervene in Germany (and Italy)’s expansion policy sooner because they would’ve fully remilitarised in the Hanoverian War of Independence, (appeasement was meant to simply buy time for Britain and France to remilitarise) before occupying France and maybe annexing Hanover unless the Hanoverians already heavily fortify their defences. If that happens with Hanover surviving the German invasion and helping the allied powers take down Nazi Germany, I’d expect a fifth occupation zone of Germany, with that one belonging to Hanover, which also annex some extra territory. The Cold War would play out as usual, with the only difference being Hanover likely joining NATO and the EU, as well as getting involved in the Korean War and Vietnam War and the rest of the timeline would play out as normal, just with Hanover being independent.
On a similar vein: what if the 19th century Anglo-German Teutonic alliance was made
I think your overlooking that a common monarch doesn't mean any unified state or Britain controlling Hanover. The possession of the region was controversial in Britain in the 18thC as a number of prominent political figures objected to the idea of Britain being pushed into wars which were seen as being supported by the king to secure/expand his Hanoverian kingdom.
However going with the option you have and Hanover staying under Vicky and Albert rather than the ultra-conservative Ernest who overthrew the more liberal elements in the Hanoverian constitution could make for an interesting situation when the mid-19thC pressures for social change lead to things like the 1848 revolts and then if Bismarck still comes to power in Germany. A liberal Hanover linked to the most powerful state in the world at the time - albeit it couldn't match the Prussian army in the short term - would complicate matters for people like Bismarck greatly. It could well still side with Austria in an 1866 equivalent but might be more successful even without direct British support. Also could well escape the OTL annexation since that would be a continued sore point both in occupied Hanover as it would be to the locals and in terms of British-Prussian relations. It might even be a factor bringing Britain into a Franco-Prussia/German war as Britain sees the chance to liberate the region.
Anyway a hell of a lot would be different even if large scale forces seek to drive the key events as OTL.
Hitler entered Germany through Bavaria. He used to live in Austria before. At this point, there are two paths: Nazi uprising start in Germany, putting Himmler as the chanceler, the anchluss of Bavaria (still communist) before Austria, leading to the USSR joining and Bavaria gaining all of southern Germany in the end of the war, or Bavaria turning Fascist, the Nazi party being banned in the Weimar Republic, and eventually leading to the annexation of Bavaria.
I would have thought that there would be a diplomatic marriage leading to a House of Hohenzollern and Saxe-Coburg union, creating effectively a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Deutschland.
What if Caesar was never assassinated?
Will do that soon enough.
BASED Caesar. 😎👍
4:50 as a german i really felt that
British-German union
That's the first thing that came to my mind.
A power to be reconked with. World conqueror power indeed
Disgusting
@@dakotadurham4788?
YOOOOO I LIKE IT HANOVER PART OF UK
DIRECT RULE OF HANOVER IS BRITAIN
Maybe Britain would allow German Unification after the First World if and only if Hanover became the German heartland and seat of government, its democracy under Hanoverian leadership being placed in charge. It may also be interesting how such reparations would flow out of the rest of germany into Hanover in tue post war years and how or if Hanover would turn it over to britain or use it themselves.
I doubt with British Hanover still a thing the Germans would become a naval competitor to the British, possibly easing British fears especially with Germany weaker on land as well.
This channel is feeling more like what Pax Historia would've been like.
What if Germany unified in 1848?
What if the monarchies of Russia and Germany were restored and who would they be?
Nice video what music is that?
Late to this, but glad I found it.
They occupied roughly the same area after ww2 as well, that was a sign to keep it
If Britain kept its Hanover lands perhaps that little extra bit of English speaking population would cause universal comprehension of apostrophe usage.
What about the 1848 revolution? Could a British backed Hannover unify Germany under Victoria's crown or maybe her husband's?
Sorry to be a nerd saying "um, actually," but...
Even under a semi-Salic succession, Victoria still COULD NOT become Queen of Hanover. There was still an active male line through the Duke of Cumberland (as there still is), so in order for her to succeed, the Cumberland line MUST become extinct. Even if we wipe out the Cumberland line, Hanover (if still around by 1952) would still split from Britain & be ruled by the Duke of Gloucester as King Henry.
The nature of personal unions is that they are generally ruled separately, & you are very optimistic on the Germans simply tolerating this uprooting of their traditional laws of succession because "modern".
Other than that, I thought it was great video. I'm sorry if the above sounds overly critical - I'm a real nerd, & I can get very nitpicky.
yes, semi-Salic succession would only allow for women to inherit at the extinction of male dynasts.
I think if Britian had kept Hanover, they would have joined the Central Powers (or at least supported them while not committing any troops) to keep Hanover from being conquered by the German Empire (which would most likely be the result if Britain joined the Entente)
Alternate history: What it Bavaria and by extent the Southern German Realm stays independent or joins in a union with Austria
essentially what if the austro-prussian war is avoided at the last possible moment and you get lower and upper germany as two separate unifications
I'd don't it's very likely William IV would have changed the Salic law in Hanover. I think it's more likely that George IV, while he was regent might have changed the law to allow his daughter, Princess Charlotte to inherit. If it wasn't changed back after she died in childbirth, then ultimately Victoria would have inherited.
why though
Its weird when you say Hannover and write hanover
What if Japan won the Imjin War ?
so in the german empire, the kingdom of bavaria was subject to the german emperor. it could be sorta like the hre where you can have territory outside the empire but it doesnt have to be in the empire
a liberal hanover for germans in 1848 would result in a less populated us and much more populated germany. Britain could also install the king of Hanover as the Kaiser in a consititional role and curb france's bloodlust seeing their ties to the now leader of germany.
This overpopulated germany still needs expansion room so they might buy land from other europeans.
You can also turn it around: The British royal family is a German house of monarchs - Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha. So a German royal house is ruling Britain for the rest of the monarchy's life there :P
IF they would rule about old saxon territories in good old Germany then it is not a Britain family is ruling in or about German territory, it is just a sort of "coming home" to their ancestors roots.
Always been curious about this concept.
I always wondered about that.
what if Napoleon II had been allowed to be crowned Emperor of the French, but under Coalition regency & tutelage?
I imagine if ww2 still happens and the cold war occurs, hanover may stay independent rather than join west germany, if only for having a potentially different identity. I bet they would join the EU also
I can’t understand you through your accent/speech impediment.
‘Th’ is a really important sound in English, if you can’t pronounce it people will struggle to understand you.
Similar with the the words ‘can’ and ‘can’t’, if you don’t pronounce them differently your speech will be impossible to understand.
Could have been a good video.
Neat
I doubt in this scenario there is a massive Naval build up so I don't see why the UK would view germany as much of a threat.
Greetings from Hannover
This is something I’ve always wondered
Noice concept
Getting rid of queen victoria sounds a lot more fun...
hanover did think over rejoining Briton in 1945
What if Belgium allied with Germany in the years leading up to WW1?
Interesting...How about Thuringian States? because Queen Victoria, House Of Hanover ends and House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha starts.. does logical for Britain for Annexation of that particular Thuringian State?
With Bavaria being independent in this scenario...there is no guarantee that they would join in WW1. They may just sit it out. The Austrian Corporal started his rise to power in a united Germany, but specifically in Bavaria. Bavaria being independent puts a HUGE hurdle in Uniting all "German" speaking people's and would probably prevent the Austrian Corporal from gaining enough power to pull off what he did in our time line. I also suspect the Bavarian dialect of German would become even more distinct than it is now, possibly becoming its own language by our time.
One big butterfly is the almost WWI in the early 1860’s, with the CSA, UK and France against USA, Prussia and Russia, with the following flash points:
Trent Affair
Battle of Antitem
Polish uprising in Jan 1863
Russian offer to join Prussia in a war against France and Austria to unify Germany in summer 1863 after the twin disasters of Gettysburg and Vicksburg and Poland was crushed.
In particular the last is the most dangerous. OTL Bismarck rejected because he wanted to unify Germany alone, but in this case that would be impossible. As such, Bismarck may accept this.
We were so close to an Anglo-Dutch-Hannoverian union.
What if instead of becoming Germany's Prime Minister Queen Victoria's half-brother Carl, 3rd Prince of Leiningen ascended the throne
What would be his claim to the throne? He was not a descendent of Sophia, Electress of Hanover
If you're can me so bold as to offer a suggestion, please keep the background music to a minimum if you are speaking English with a thick accent. Very distracting.
Lower saxony being more Liberal is an understatement. Here in Göttingen we have protests about anything and everything every other day 😂😂
Die Stadt besteht ja auch zur Hälfte aus (politisch einschlägigen) Studenten...
I imagine opening a war in North Germany might lead to the war ending earlier because, the Germans where winning on all fronts, which meant all negotiations with them was difficult because they where winning, and in the later years Germany at the bare minimum wanted Belgium as a puppet, but with a British invasion of the north and major city's captured, its possible Germany might except a more reasonable peace, not to mention untilled number of men and resources being pulled from both the west and eastern fronts, who's to say what the war looks like
11:39
"Finally a unified Germany
(ignore Bavaria)"
:D
"kingdom of hanovre.... Mmmmmm"
Yeah i remember that jamaican song from Shaggy back in the 90's.
Day 16 of telling you (Monsieur Z) are great
Id probably see the hanoverians getting another member of the family to rule there as its own independent kingdom or grand duchy, not a Republic eg keeping British constitutional monarchy but being independent... though heavily linked with Britain which could he solved by a marriage with the German empire or a large state within eg bavaria
Must... resist... pressing the button...
Nope. Can't resist!
*SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS!*
0:27 Both pronunciations sound the same to me
Edit: There's more emphasis on the last syllable
The Settlement Act was never signed by the rightful lawful King!
Dolchstoßlogende was no lie.
This could have realistically happened if Edward Oxford had succeeded in assassinating Queen Victoria in 1840
When I first saw the thumbnail I literally said the words "Oh no" out loud
Why is ROI included in opening graphics?
You mean, since Prussia conquered Lower Saxony, England is part of the german reich? Oh, my...
i thought the UK will just annex hanover
What if Britain got every territorial claim it's ever made
if the German empire and the British empire united into a single empire. What would it be called??
The Kingdom of Hanover had been *handover* to Germany