Cap, I know you've talked about Days of Future Past a lot on this channel, but I will never mind. Like you, this movie really resonated with me on such an emotional level. I remember when I first watched X-men and X2, I saw them back to back on television when I was eight years old. And that was almost 13 years ago! Now being an adult, seeing the film Logan was a whole other experience. X2, Days of Future Past, and Logan are all probably tied for me as my favorite movies in the franchise.
2:08:06 No, Captain Logan and Eric. Logan went into the military and met Stryker like in the old timeline. LOGAN even shows him with the military identification tags proving this. So Mystique had nothing to do with that. All she did was save him from drowning because what she was doing earlier in the movie at Vietnam and in Apocalypse with Nightcrawler: saving Mutants.
Except LOGAN has been confirmed to be an alternate future and even if that was the case with Mystique, I still don't think it was altogether necessary to end on a note where it really seems like things are going in a different direction. Still feels like a wasted opportunity.
LOGAN is not in an alternate universe according to the director(twice). Read about it here. screenrant.com/logan-movie-director-x-men-movies-universe-connections/
You're right that it technically makes sense regarding the plot, but when it comes to storytelling (which is what Captain Logan is most passionate about and mainly focuses on) Stryker's reveal as Mystique to the audience with his eyes turning yellow is a narrative set up that never has a pay off. If the ideas of "never really being able to change the future" regarding Mystique and Wolverine were brought up, the explanation you're talking about fits Apocalypse's narrative and is satisfying. The problem isn't that our expectations were too high: the problem is that the twist at the end of DOFP doesn't matter anymore and is never touched on in the story of Apocalypse beyond just brief plot explanations for the sake of the pacing. They came up with that twist at the last minute in DOFP, it was originally just going to end with Stryker capturing Wolverine. As much as I loved DOFP when I first saw it, I was honestly 50/50 about the ending, mainly because I had no idea where that was going. Well, now we know that it went nowhere because Apocalypse is instantly a slightly better movie if DOFP just ends with Stryker getting Wolverine, then the Weapon X sequence in Apocalypse is actually a strong payoff and doesn't come off like it's just ignoring the twist ending from the previous film.
Logan hasn't really been confirmed as an alternate universe beyond Hugh Jackman's comments. According to the director, James Mangold, Logan is explicitly set in 2029 so that it's set far enough away from the end of DOFP (which is in 2023) for the timeline to mostly make sense. The only continuity error is that mutants haven't been born in 25 years. But that doesn't immediately put it in a different universe. After all, sequels have continuity errors all the time. There's also Xavier's reference to the statue of liberty incident, but there's a potential explanation: young Xavier in DOFP could have totally seen Wolverine's memories from the statue of liberty, it's not like we the audience see everything young Xavier does. And then, of course, there's Xavier's deteriorating mental state. Logan's response "that was a long time ago" totally makes since because Wolverine did experience that incident, just in a different timeline that no one else did. With all that said, the point is that Logan is a standalone film that can be viewed as a self contained piece OR as a sequel to DOFP. You're right that the "maybe a quarter of it happened but most of hit is made up" theory reflects this. I also think that X-men, X2, and Logan could be viewed as a great trilogy.
I love that the climax for this movie is a conversation and it ends with a character not shooting somebody. Then Apocalypse is the whole world falling apart like every other blockbuster
And the Weapon X scene in Apocalypse was there to set-up the events of Logan. Rice talked about how Logan murdered his father during the events of that film.
Source? Because interviews say this was thought up during the script development and it was originally going to have Wolverine join up to fight Apocalypse.
Marvel Knight I guess the original scenes with Stryker played out very differently until they bought back Hugh Jackman so it can tie in with the Logan movie.
Have you guys did a commentary on the Rogue Cut and I can't wait for more superhero rewind videos because "Supehero Rewind" is my favorite thing that you guys have done on this channel.
Me and my friend joke about the portrait of Trask holding a prosthetic with the girl missing a leg. Second time we saw the film when the painting showed up I turned to him and said "Tyrion stole that girls leg". He laughed so hard he had to leave the theatre for a few minutes.
I think the biggest hiccup in Days of Future Past as far as the Sentinels goes is that the adaptive shapeshifting thing is Darwin's power, not Mystique's.
Dylan Woodson I always the rogue cut fixes that I assumed they were experimenting on rogue to find out how to make the sentinels adapt. mystique was used to change and I guess they coined rogues power to a absorb idk lol.
You're right about the Rogue Cut, but at most that is implied, it's not really a story Pont (so I'm fine they cut it in that regard). I understand the complaint about Mystique's powers and the sentinels doesn't really make since with what's said in the opening exposition dump scene. But I'm not sure it's meant to be taken LITERALLY that Mystique's powers are entirely the explanation for the sentinels abilities. Considering everything stated in the film (mainly in the Trask scenes) it seems to me that it's more likely he "cracked the code" regarding mutant genetics and his sentinels. Like, Mystique was the first mutant whose DNA was successfully applied the sentinels, and then more mutant powers were successfully added to the sentinels later. The main issue is that the film opens with a long exposition dump that debatable goes on too long, and it was for the best that it didn't go on any longer than it absolutely needed to. When making a massive film like this, I think the filmmakers mostly did a decent job at picking their battles in terms of how much information was explained on screen, and how much wasn't.
Eric blink actually does not speak at all. It was a reference to the character from portal. They cut all her lines. Also the little girl in the Quicksilver scenes is not Wanda. There is a deleted scene where the mom tells the little girl to go upstairs and play with here sister, and the girl says she does not cause her older sister is scary.
So shitty that Vaughn gets thrown to the side. He saved the franchise and made the 2nd best Xmen imo. Logan being the 1st now. Honestly I feel DOFP was great and all but it didn't live up to its fullest potential it got dragged down by jennifer Lawrence. It's my 3rd favorite.
First Class had JLaw too with an even more unnecessary and out of character role. Singer wrote First Class so it's almost as much his movie as it is Vaughn's.
unknown unknown Nope 1st class was more less written from the ground up by Mathew Vaughn and Jane Goldman. Plus Mystique didn't have THAT big of a role compared to the later films. www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/03/who-really-wrote-x-men-first-class/
The kids in Logan don't say that the medicine heals you. They say that it makes you stronger, which is what you see in the video when they give the kid the medicine. Part of Logan's mutation is to heal, and it became stronger when he took the medicine.
I really don't think Lawrence's ego is that big of an influence on Apocalypse. I think they would have given more to do other than sit around the mansion and mope for most of the movie if that were the case.
Guys with the Jennifer Lawrence thing, it was with the body suit in this movie is when the complaints started and then only X-Men Apocalypse featured changes for her
in xmen 1 mystique changed to wolverine and she had claws as well. and they used rogues powers to absorb powers as well which is stated in the rogue cut I believe
Xavier does call Storm "Ororo" in the first movie when introducing Logan to the X-Men. Also, I own a collection with the original _DoFP_ story and the future was set in 2013, so it was the year before, not after and to match, they'd either have to made in 2012 and it release the same year as _The Wolverine_ or instead of it.
They could very easily watch the specific scenes in the Rogue Cut that were different in the standard cut and edit them into this & cut out parts where necessary and release a "Rogue Cut" commentary|
Cap, the whole Magneto curving the bullet when Mystique is jumping off the building; for me, the explanation is, he actually kind of missed; he was trying to kill her, but he hit her foot.
Singer did say months prior to that film's release that Apocalypse did have a persuasion power but didn't want to be explicit about it. Remember that scene where gets Xavier to blew up two marines after getting a power up from Cerebro? Or how Storm disagrees with Apocalypse until she gets a power-up?
You mention Xavier talking about "The future" and of that actually being his present as he is not talking to anyone... HOWEVER... the introduction glimpse before the pre-credit title sequence may actually be from later in the movie when it is speaking to himself in the past through the temporal whatever-it-is window with Wolverine, as a reason to get the younger version of himself back on track.
Cap, which PT character did you mean in terms of not caring about their death?. Cause not even thinking about being a SW fan I cared more when that random background clone in AOTC died and fell out of the gunship than I did when Storm died. That one Stormtrooper who gets shot on the Tantive IV in ANH has more personality than Storm.
Magneto did kill JFK. Magneto was able to control the bullet he shot at Mystique while being tackled in this movie. He should have been able to control the bullet shot at JFK.
I have said it before and I say it again. This movie has so many plot holes and contrivances that it is hard to get suck in to the good parts. The worst part is that all of the problems would have been easy to fix, if they had taken the time to look over the script one more time (or hired someone more competant than Kinberg). I honestly think that people were little too forgiving for the flaws of the movie, because it was the return of both Singer and the original cast, and it wiped out all the movies they hated from the continuity. If MCU ever made a movie that was this lazily written, people would nitpick it to death and call it one of the worst superhero movies of all time. Now, it is considered one of the best (if not The best) X-Men movie.
TheWolverine1987 Or maybe people think its a good movie regardless. Plot just isn't the only thing there. Besides, there are still worse movies with those issues.
J Man I would never call The Dark World flawless, but both its story and inner logic hold better than Days of Future Past's does. No one ever gets nonsensical new powers out of nowhere, unlike Kitty does. TDW doesn't have a magic serum that can do anything that the plot demands. Thor and co. never throw away something that could solve the conflict of the whole movie, unlike X-Men do with Quicksilver. Thor asking Loki's help makes perfect sense, while X-Men have no reason to free Magneto. You get the point.
I get the point that despite these issues, DoFP still has a more investing narrative with better written characters unlike Thor 2 which is just "been there, done that."
The Dark World knows what it is. A fun romp that makes you forget your real-life worries for two hours. That might not be the most ambitious goal for a movie, but there's also nothing wrong with that. DOFP tries to be more serious character driven story, but it's hard to appreciate (admittedly pretty well written) charactter stuff when story surrounding it doesn't work at all. Let's look it this way. Let's say I offer you a slice of cake, but before you have time to take a bite out of it, I punch you to the guts. The cake would still taste fine, but I doubt you would appreciate my gesture anymore and probably even loose some of your appetite.
Cap, I know you've talked about Days of Future Past a lot on this channel, but I will never mind. Like you, this movie really resonated with me on such an emotional level. I remember when I first watched X-men and X2, I saw them back to back on television when I was eight years old. And that was almost 13 years ago! Now being an adult, seeing the film Logan was a whole other experience. X2, Days of Future Past, and Logan are all probably tied for me as my favorite movies in the franchise.
2:08:06
No, Captain Logan and Eric. Logan went into the military and met Stryker like in the old timeline. LOGAN even shows him with the military identification tags proving this. So Mystique had nothing to do with that. All she did was save him from drowning because what she was doing earlier in the movie at Vietnam and in Apocalypse with Nightcrawler: saving Mutants.
Except LOGAN has been confirmed to be an alternate future and even if that was the case with Mystique, I still don't think it was altogether necessary to end on a note where it really seems like things are going in a different direction. Still feels like a wasted opportunity.
LOGAN is not in an alternate universe according to the director(twice). Read about it here.
screenrant.com/logan-movie-director-x-men-movies-universe-connections/
I'm just going to go with the theory that "maybe a quarter of it happened but most of it is made up."
You're right that it technically makes sense regarding the plot, but when it comes to storytelling (which is what Captain Logan is most passionate about and mainly focuses on) Stryker's reveal as Mystique to the audience with his eyes turning yellow is a narrative set up that never has a pay off. If the ideas of "never really being able to change the future" regarding Mystique and Wolverine were brought up, the explanation you're talking about fits Apocalypse's narrative and is satisfying. The problem isn't that our expectations were too high: the problem is that the twist at the end of DOFP doesn't matter anymore and is never touched on in the story of Apocalypse beyond just brief plot explanations for the sake of the pacing. They came up with that twist at the last minute in DOFP, it was originally just going to end with Stryker capturing Wolverine. As much as I loved DOFP when I first saw it, I was honestly 50/50 about the ending, mainly because I had no idea where that was going. Well, now we know that it went nowhere because Apocalypse is instantly a slightly better movie if DOFP just ends with Stryker getting Wolverine, then the Weapon X sequence in Apocalypse is actually a strong payoff and doesn't come off like it's just ignoring the twist ending from the previous film.
Logan hasn't really been confirmed as an alternate universe beyond Hugh Jackman's comments. According to the director, James Mangold, Logan is explicitly set in 2029 so that it's set far enough away from the end of DOFP (which is in 2023) for the timeline to mostly make sense. The only continuity error is that mutants haven't been born in 25 years. But that doesn't immediately put it in a different universe. After all, sequels have continuity errors all the time. There's also Xavier's reference to the statue of liberty incident, but there's a potential explanation: young Xavier in DOFP could have totally seen Wolverine's memories from the statue of liberty, it's not like we the audience see everything young Xavier does. And then, of course, there's Xavier's deteriorating mental state. Logan's response "that was a long time ago" totally makes since because Wolverine did experience that incident, just in a different timeline that no one else did. With all that said, the point is that Logan is a standalone film that can be viewed as a self contained piece OR as a sequel to DOFP. You're right that the "maybe a quarter of it happened but most of hit is made up" theory reflects this. I also think that X-men, X2, and Logan could be viewed as a great trilogy.
I love that Cap's point about time travel around 23:20 is something I've seen talked about in Adventure Time of all things.
I love that the climax for this movie is a conversation and it ends with a character not shooting somebody. Then Apocalypse is the whole world falling apart like every other blockbuster
To be fair. The story Apocalypse was based on was exactly that.
And the Weapon X scene in Apocalypse was there to set-up the events of Logan. Rice talked about how Logan murdered his father during the events of that film.
Marvel Knight but those scenes were reshoots.
Source? Because interviews say this was thought up during the script development and it was originally going to have Wolverine join up to fight Apocalypse.
Marvel Knight I think it's in the DVD commentary or it was a news article I don't remember it was 2016 a long time ago.
That's odd...the guy who played Stryker was seen on set early into production.
Marvel Knight I guess the original scenes with Stryker played out very differently until they bought back Hugh Jackman so it can tie in with the Logan movie.
I'm with Cap. I absolutely LOVE this movie! Top 3 comic book movies of all time for me
Have you guys did a commentary on the Rogue Cut and I can't wait for more superhero rewind videos because "Supehero Rewind" is my favorite thing that you guys have done on this channel.
The bloopers to this movie are hilarious.
I prefer to think,timeline aside, Logan is true sequel to this movie
but that's just me
I hate the beast going back and forth really takes away from the tragedy of the character
I'm with Eric, I love the 1970s aesthetically. Days of Future Past, American Hustle, Dazed and Confused, Anchorman; they all look so good!
Me and my friend joke about the portrait of Trask holding a prosthetic with the girl missing a leg. Second time we saw the film when the painting showed up I turned to him and said "Tyrion stole that girls leg". He laughed so hard he had to leave the theatre for a few minutes.
23:00 G 17:16 D
I liked this movie a lot!!
1:57:35. OMG I Just died laughing in the office at work.
I think the biggest hiccup in Days of Future Past as far as the Sentinels goes is that the adaptive shapeshifting thing is Darwin's power, not Mystique's.
Dylan Woodson I always the rogue cut fixes that I assumed they were experimenting on rogue to find out how to make the sentinels adapt. mystique was used to change and I guess they coined rogues power to a absorb idk lol.
Dylan Woodson: actually the sentinels would require Rogues DNA because she absorbs energy from mutants
Peter Parker wait a minute that sounds like Darwin lol except he doesn't drain your life force hahah.
You're right about the Rogue Cut, but at most that is implied, it's not really a story Pont (so I'm fine they cut it in that regard). I understand the complaint about Mystique's powers and the sentinels doesn't really make since with what's said in the opening exposition dump scene. But I'm not sure it's meant to be taken LITERALLY that Mystique's powers are entirely the explanation for the sentinels abilities. Considering everything stated in the film (mainly in the Trask scenes) it seems to me that it's more likely he "cracked the code" regarding mutant genetics and his sentinels. Like, Mystique was the first mutant whose DNA was successfully applied the sentinels, and then more mutant powers were successfully added to the sentinels later. The main issue is that the film opens with a long exposition dump that debatable goes on too long, and it was for the best that it didn't go on any longer than it absolutely needed to. When making a massive film like this, I think the filmmakers mostly did a decent job at picking their battles in terms of how much information was explained on screen, and how much wasn't.
And to be fair Mystique was going to sacrifice herself to save the men. And that was shown on TV, so of course they would view her as a hero.
Eric blink actually does not speak at all. It was a reference to the character from portal. They cut all her lines. Also the little girl in the Quicksilver scenes is not Wanda. There is a deleted scene where the mom tells the little girl to go upstairs and play with here sister, and the girl says she does not cause her older sister is scary.
So shitty that Vaughn gets thrown to the side. He saved the franchise and made the 2nd best Xmen imo. Logan being the 1st now. Honestly I feel DOFP was great and all but it didn't live up to its fullest potential it got dragged down by jennifer Lawrence. It's my 3rd favorite.
First Class had JLaw too with an even more unnecessary and out of character role. Singer wrote First Class so it's almost as much his movie as it is Vaughn's.
unknown unknown out of the 3 prequel ones the only one that I like Jennifer Lawrence in is DOFP i cant stand her in Firs Class or Apocalypse.
unknown unknown Nope 1st class was more less written from the ground up by Mathew Vaughn and Jane Goldman. Plus Mystique didn't have THAT big of a role compared to the later films. www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/03/who-really-wrote-x-men-first-class/
ItsMichaelReid She has about the same amount of screen time in all 3 and she is a main character in all 3
ItsMichaelReid Matthew Vaughn didn't get thrown to the side he left X Men Days Of Future Past so he can make Kingsman the secret service.
I thought the mutant at the beginning was quicksilver... not sure of that makes sense but that's who I keep thinking of when I see him
The kids in Logan don't say that the medicine heals you. They say that it makes you stronger, which is what you see in the video when they give the kid the medicine. Part of Logan's mutation is to heal, and it became stronger when he took the medicine.
Eric the Sasquatch footage you are thinking of is the Patterson Gimlin film which was from 1967.
2:04:10
Singer was just saying that to create some kind of suspense.
They packaged it the way it did because this disc has more bonus features, I believe.
I really don't think Lawrence's ego is that big of an influence on Apocalypse. I think they would have given more to do other than sit around the mansion and mope for most of the movie if that were the case.
Yeah, she was kinda useless in that movie.
Young Juggernaut was also going to be originally played by the Stryker actor.
Guys with the Jennifer Lawrence thing, it was with the body suit in this movie is when the complaints started and then only X-Men Apocalypse featured changes for her
in xmen 1 mystique changed to wolverine and she had claws as well. and they used rogues powers to absorb powers as well which is stated in the rogue cut I believe
Xavier does call Storm "Ororo" in the first movie when introducing Logan to the X-Men. Also, I own a collection with the original _DoFP_ story and the future was set in 2013, so it was the year before, not after and to match, they'd either have to made in 2012 and it release the same year as _The Wolverine_ or instead of it.
If you really want to collect those Entertainment Weekly covers then you can search for them on Google Images and then print them out. Saves money.
It's a shame they didn't go Rogue cut.
They could very easily watch the specific scenes in the Rogue Cut that were different in the standard cut and edit them into this & cut out parts where necessary and release a "Rogue Cut" commentary|
You should've watched The Rouge Cut.
Goku Black That's not what this is. Theatrical cuts. This cut flows better.
Goku Black Theatrical release is better.
4:20 - @#$%& THE ONLY VERSION I HAVE ACCESS TO *IS* THA ROGUE CUT BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE THERE WERE 2 VERSIONS!!
Cap, the whole Magneto curving the bullet when Mystique is jumping off the building; for me, the explanation is, he actually kind of missed; he was trying to kill her, but he hit her foot.
Kickass is also in this movie, Hes Apocalypse in the after credits
captain logan and Mr Eric what did you guys think of X-men apocalypse?
Logan thinks it's a deeply flawed film but doesn't hate it. Eric hates it.
Singer has mentioned that JFK's powers where persuasion.
Lol like Apocalypse?
That would make that film make so much more sense.
Singer did say months prior to that film's release that Apocalypse did have a persuasion power but didn't want to be explicit about it. Remember that scene where gets Xavier to blew up two marines after getting a power up from Cerebro? Or how Storm disagrees with Apocalypse until she gets a power-up?
You mention Xavier talking about "The future" and of that actually being his present as he is not talking to anyone... HOWEVER... the introduction glimpse before the pre-credit title sequence may actually be from later in the movie when it is speaking to himself in the past through the temporal whatever-it-is window with Wolverine, as a reason to get the younger version of himself back on track.
this is still going on?
Cap, which PT character did you mean in terms of not caring about their death?. Cause not even thinking about being a SW fan I cared more when that random background clone in AOTC died and fell out of the gunship than I did when Storm died. That one Stormtrooper who gets shot on the Tantive IV in ANH has more personality than Storm.
Magneto did kill JFK. Magneto was able to control the bullet he shot at Mystique while being tackled in this movie. He should have been able to control the bullet shot at JFK.
He said he was KO'd.
Marvel Knight They must have KO him before the bullet was shot.
I have said it before and I say it again. This movie has so many plot holes and contrivances that it is hard to get suck in to the good parts. The worst part is that all of the problems would have been easy to fix, if they had taken the time to look over the script one more time (or hired someone more competant than Kinberg). I honestly think that people were little too forgiving for the flaws of the movie, because it was the return of both Singer and the original cast, and it wiped out all the movies they hated from the continuity.
If MCU ever made a movie that was this lazily written, people would nitpick it to death and call it one of the worst superhero movies of all time. Now, it is considered one of the best (if not The best) X-Men movie.
TheWolverine1987 Or maybe people think its a good movie regardless. Plot just isn't the only thing there. Besides, there are still worse movies with those issues.
Well the MCU did do a film that was lazily written and had many plot contrivances and that was Thor 2 but yet you really like that movie so...
J Man I would never call The Dark World flawless, but both its story and inner logic hold better than Days of Future Past's does.
No one ever gets nonsensical new powers out of nowhere, unlike Kitty does.
TDW doesn't have a magic serum that can do anything that the plot demands.
Thor and co. never throw away something that could solve the conflict of the whole movie, unlike X-Men do with Quicksilver.
Thor asking Loki's help makes perfect sense, while X-Men have no reason to free Magneto.
You get the point.
I get the point that despite these issues, DoFP still has a more investing narrative with better written characters unlike Thor 2 which is just "been there, done that."
The Dark World knows what it is. A fun romp that makes you forget your real-life worries for two hours. That might not be the most ambitious goal for a movie, but there's also nothing wrong with that. DOFP tries to be more serious character driven story, but it's hard to appreciate (admittedly pretty well written) charactter stuff when story surrounding it doesn't work at all.
Let's look it this way. Let's say I offer you a slice of cake, but before you have time to take a bite out of it, I punch you to the guts. The cake would still taste fine, but I doubt you would appreciate my gesture anymore and probably even loose some of your appetite.
x2 vs dofp which is better ?
X1
David Berry X Men Days Of Future Past.
dofp vs dofp rogue cut which is better?
David Berry DOFP.
eric sure does loving complaining about women :p