I’m a quarter through the interview. I wonder if he’ll mention the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Doubtful. Also, he didn’t want you to look up his income during interview.
Having grown up in communism, I find this interview fascinating. But my question is why professor Bair lives in the USA. He could move to Cuba, North Korea or even China. Why hasn't he? Maybe because he wouldn't have a cushy, six-figure job over there. I reckon he enjoys the benefits of being a college professor in a capitalist country.
As bad as communism is, I don’t understand it when people ask these types of questions. Like, if I wasn’t poor and have enough to sustain a relatively good life, I wouldn’t easily move to a whole new country and jump into a completely different culture just because I praise a certain economic structure. It’s basically like me asking you “why don’t you move out of the United States since you don’t like Biden and big tech basically controlling ‘freedom of speech’?” You only move and migrate when you have no other choice and no good means of living a respectable life. There are too many different angles that go into it including family, friends, culture, having only known the place you grew up in. Plus it’s funny seeing you only mention Cuba and N. Korea and just added China there to sound objective. You could’ve mentioned other countries that are more successful with aspects of communism and socialism. And I’m not at all a “communist”.
As a former USSR citizen, I’m ready to buy him a one way ticket to : Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea…to complete his Marxism research and gain his social life experience.
In capitalism, the average person can become non-average, it depends on each one. We should strive for equality of opportunity not equality of results.
Incorect most people are closer to being honless than to being bill gates. And most is not because og circumstances they can control such as race family money conectiins etc
The difference between theory or what we strive for and then the real world application of that thing, capitalism is all good until the population gets put in a box, in a system where you have to justify infinite growth how does that not lead to chaos, and then because the system is stacked so top heavy it falls, capitalism then socialism then communism
*Professor:* Puts Stalin on an alter for his "massive" improvements to society through communism. *Pat:* Would you live in a Communist country? *Professor:* I don't like this question. 53:14 It's a wrap folks. If you are defending communism but refuse to live in a communist country your argument holds no weight. 🤡
@@lolberthater8050 how is it a dumb question? If your actions don't align with your values and principles then you're a fraud. This professor is a fraud. He sits there and says every humans lives should inherently be taken care if by Government while he EARNED everything he has - his PHD, his career. He literally dedicated time to his craft and the capitalist market which he lives in found value in that so he was rewarded with a prestigious career/PHD. You can't make this up. 🤣🤣🤣 He's a total fraud who doesn't practice what he preaches but lies to himself to convince himself what he's preaching is morally acceptable when in reality it's self destructive. Blaming your problems (including financial situation) on external forces is a recipe for a life of misery, envy and self loathing. It's the exact OPPOSITE of how he became successful but it's a lie that relieves individuals of any accountability so gullible fools eat it up because it's more painful to accept accountability and put in that work to improve market value as he did. 🤷♂️
I believe that ONE of the problems that We as a country's has, lies w/not paying competent (people) teachers a livable wage. USA's EDUCATION sys. SUCKS... That being said... The current K-12 educational curriculum DOES NOT support "children" reaching the academic lvl. required, in order to sit in one of Dr. Ghandi Clause's classroom...
Maybe you should teach your children to be independent thinkers and not be so quick to agree with someone just because they can speak with a big vocabulary. Where does the fault really lie?
An intellectual is someone who's produces ideas. Nobody said they had to be good ideas. Just like a chef can make good or bad meals, intellectuals can produce good and bad ideas.
@@countryboy2368anything communism offers comes in the most beautiful package, packaged by the highest level of skillfull packagers. The problem is that every time you open one of these packages, there is ALWAYS a turd in it.
That PBD can make a literal fortune by bilking thousands of families of their savings, with a thinly veiled pyramid scheme, then turn around and think he's contributing to society, with his grotesque wealth made off the suffering of others, is just astonishing.
These people that know what is best for you are the most dangerous of all. Mostly, because they are self righteous is their beliefs and feel good as you are destroyed. A seriously sick and antichrist attitude.
@L Well most of the things that you mentioned are already there in most of the developed countries in europe and they did that without executing 10s of millions of people so no i don't think and giving those benefits alongside killing millions and/or putting them in gulag is a good deal. And as for your quote.... cool.
@L you totally ignored his comment. 10s of millions killed, perhaps more. Never worked across several countries and cultures throughout the history of the world and always ended disastrous. You can act intellectual all you want, but if you can’t understand how that’s bad, i don’t know what to tell you.
@L 3 things: 1.There are lots of other variables which go into making a country succesful economically and socially other than it being a socialist country or not. 2.The reason China overcame India has been vastly oversimplified by you. There are the factors of India being a democratic nation which led to power being slowly and steadily falling into incompetent and corrupt hands because the illeterate masses voted for those who had a socialist viewpoint without understanding its complication while in china the case was that from 1930 it had a authoritarian rule of sort thus they had more time to focus on building the nation for as they knew they would not be ousted.And even then they did a poor job.And as for the fact that from 1980 china had a economic boom,go and read and you will find that is was in fact a capitalistic boom.Business's were now allowed to do business without state intervention and whatnot.It was just socialistic in name only just like the Nazi were socialistic in name only.And as for India man India had been a socilatis esque country for so long that ultimately it brought ita own downfall as in the 1970s and 80s when the companies were willing to come to India it declined and stopped them from entering the country.That is not very capitalistic if you ask me.The real capitalistic policies started coming in 1994 with the LPG policy which is a freere policy for both the citizens and outside people to be able to do business freely in India and another capitalistic boom is currently happening in India.And it was because of these cpaitalistic policies that the indian economy started developing a backbone.Man let me tell you one thing that if you saw the level of economy and livelihood back in 90s or 2000s to 60s and 70s and choose where someone would like to live most would say 90s for that is when the economy really started picking up its pace though not for long for corruption.And fyi i am an Indian. 3.And as for the point of asking people whether they would like to live in capitalistic or socialistic economy most will definitley say the socialistic for the people saying this are the people who have benefitted from socialism while the real the people who had faced the real brunt are now dead or escaped the country.So that poll is useless.Instead read the history and you will find the number of people who had died if taken into account for as they would surely be against staying in a socialitisc economy would make the poll 30-70 or even less in favour of not staying in socialistic economies. And sorry for i have missed a kot of other points you made for first i have already written a lot so i don't want to write anymore and two i need to do some research on the other points you made.
@L Damn for a person saying to cite sources and whatnot i see absolutely...uhmm..yess absolutely 0 sources.All i see are you know this you know that et cetra.First of all stalin killed 6 million people directly and indirectly 9 million that i know for sure so i don't know which number you are talking about in which the nazis were included.And as for the 5x capiatlism...hmmm...yup again 0 sources cited.And again i don't know which black book of communism you are talking about.I haven't derived all this information from one book so i don't know which book you are talking about.Again before asking someone else to cite sources please you cite the sources of all the fantastical claims that you are talking about like car deaths and whatnot.
Great interview. In the end of the day, it is not about choosing NOW if we want to live in Soviet Union or United States. It's about understanding what works well in both systems and adapting the pros to current reality, and to build a better future.
@@postmodernmarxist101 Do you realize that Stalin perpetrated a genocide on the educated class. It took over 50 years for the nation to even begin to recover. They still haven't. Entire villages and family lineages were eradicated because they were educated. You would have been sent to the gulags.
That life expectancy he is talking about it mainly due to progress in medicine (Peniclin) that this profesor tends to omit. It was not Stalin achivement.
@R D GDP didn’t go up, it blipped up and then continued its downward path. Bear in mind that communist countries behind the Iron Curtain lied about their real figures to the extend that even a few months before the Soviet Union’s collapse, the CIA had a completely wrong impression of the size of their economy, thinking it was multiples larger than it actually was. In reality, communism is a flawed socioeconomic system with many fatal flaws embedded in its design. It can never work because of them. They are basic and fundamental for the economy, flaws like the lack of price-signaling which means terrible capital allocation which always lead to shortages and unnecessary surpluses. In other words everything doesn’t work and the State is always many steps behind reality which then tries to patch up with more interventions which make the situation even worse. It’s communist propaganda that Western sanctions are preventing them to flourish. One would ask why can’t the communists sanction the West in the same way? The answer is: “because they can’t”. Capitalism is the fairer, most wise, natural, democratic and spontaneous economic system there is and always finds a way to make things better for everyone. People confuse the current situation with capitalism. It is not. It is the outcome is Fascism and Socialism. Not capitalism. Capitalism is nowadays expressed by the crypto decentralized community not State interventionism.
@@omalashevich Nonsense! I wrote you a more elaborate answer but YT deletes it! I think they will allow me to say that Indians didn’t even have a word for land ownership! They were brutal among themselves and most died from European diseases that had no immunity for.
"What does capitalism do? It concentrates power in a few hands." Yet in both of the major communist regimes, power was *extremely* concentrated, IE the "dictatorship of the proletariat per lenin, and obviously Mao. Another thing I found interesting about this interview at the beginning was the professor studied economics but didn't understand it, and instead drifted towards communism because he wanted a "why". This to me tells me he was looking more for a religious belief on the subject matter than trying to delve into how things work ( milton friedmans books are complicated for sure). I think that is one of the key aspects as to why this ideology is so seductive. And he's not wrong that wealth accumulates in a few hands, but this is true regardless of the system in place. It happens in the US, and it CERTAINLY happened in Stalin's Russia.
Thing about communism,marxism, ... is if you are early and you are part of the 'revolution', an orchestrated one, meaning you are 'an influencer', you get a nice position of power, that's what it is
And yet, he cannot overcome his lived experienced... no matter what books or facts he is told he will not change his mind, he drank the USA's cool aid, and he is going for broke on that. To be sure, not everyone in the world wants to live or vacation in a the USA. For him to say he went to "America" for the freedom etc is a lie, he went to that place because of economic reasons, mainly, well, his parents did, he didn't even have a choice at that age he said his family emigrated to the USA.. It is also incredible to see how Americans believe literally in all they are told about the Russia of now, and the past, without question; most of those things are lies. Unnecessary lies, since we all agree that the USA is in fact a better place than Russia, but that is also a false duality, THERE ARE MORE COUNTRIES THAN THOSE TWO IN THE WORLD, SO VISIT SOME OF THEM AND SEE HOW MUCH VARIETY THERE IS IN POLITICAL SOCIAL ORDERS, it doesn't have to be either one of those two.
Listen to another one of Patrick's videos with an ex-navy seal talking about war crimes... it is here in the recommended videos. Don't tell me the USA is clean... propaganda is rampant in the USA.
@SaffronChad6969 I'm in intelligence and afraid of nothing. I know all the secrets behind the curtain including the hidden agenda of communism. People are afraid of what they don't know. I know everything so have nothing to fear. You're a commoner who does not know anything about yourself or the world around you. I deal with facts. You deal with common petty emotion. Try your magic on someone who will be tricked by your bombastic buffoonery. ANYONE WHO ATTACKS ME IS A cia mossad blackops disinformation shill
Fascinating conversation . I lived under a dictatorship and let me tell you, there's a big difference between learning about the history of war in books and being in the war. Good talk nonetheless.
Its sad that in the USA we have a ton of professors like Asatar Bair. For those of us who's families fled a socialist or communist country, it is not easy to listen to what he says because from experience we know that the things Bair says are not factual. We left our countries and came to the USA because living under a communist country is horrible. Communists offer to work for the poor people, offer equality and so on. Truth is under such governments the poor multiply and equality only happens downward. We all became poorer and them in the government took the country's wealth. Under capitalism we have the opportunity to fight and be as rich or richer as anyone in the government, but not in communism.
The quote from Elon Musk comes to mind -“I hate when people confuse education with intelligence. You can have a bachelor’s degree and still be an idiot.”
@@pyramidion421 book smart isn’t always more intelligent than people who have lived it and experienced it. Reading about it and experiencing it are two different things unless you have lived both.
@@benzkeez Exactly, the guy being interviewed kept bringing up his PhD or Bachelors or whatever he has trying to seem intelligent, but he preaches communism while never having lived in a communist country. So in my opinion even though he has degrees he is an Idiot.
I agree with you. He sounds like a wimp because of this stupid statement. By the way, HOW DARE HE HAVE A HOUSE and not give his wealth to homeless people!?
The biggest irony about these “hardcore” communism defenders is that they talk from the comfort of the capitalist system. I’ve never seen a communism fan moving to a communist country. Let that sink.
@@fudogwhisperer3590 Exactly, we ended up with crony capitalism, a system that works for the few and big global corporations. Trickle down economics is a load or bullshit, because the wealth doesn’t trickle down it stays at the top.
Seems a bit generous, yet harsh at the same time. I don't think it's necessarily applicable here, or at least, only to a degree. There is arguably some value in exploring the ideas he put forward here, if for nothing else than to disprove them. So long as they are serious and made in good faith, critical perspectives are valuable . For one thing, they help strength-test and shore up one's own views and ability to respond to criticism. I'm just pleasantly surprised he wasn't insufferable like most communists I've heard from.
This Asatair Bair is one of the many scholars in western education system, which hate the system they live on and have comfortable and safe life, but just like islamic studies professors - they stay away from societys, theocracies and systems they idolize
„Настоящая свобода имеется только там, где уничтожена эксплуатация, где нет угнетения одних людей другими, где нет безработицы и нищенства, где человек не дрожит за то, что завтра может потерять работу, жилище, хлеб.“ - Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин
“True freedom exists only where exploitation is abolished, where there is no oppression of some people by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a person does not tremble that tomorrow he may lose his job, home, bread.” - Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin Комрад, лучше пиши на инглише, они ленятся переводить.
Yet there are many more people like him that are teaching the next generation and corrupting their minds. It's a damn shame. This is the exact reason why many parents now are turning to home schooling.
I honestly think someone from the former Soviet Union/Cuba/China should be having a discussion with this guy. Not that the host is doing a bad job but he's just too polite and kind of beats around the bush a bit. As someone from the former Soviet Union with real communism experience I can easily poke holes in most of the professor's theories. And so can others.
Tbf the Soviet union's situation is far easier to critique Communism for than Cuba and China. Both Communist states inherited a badly bruised and broken nation, and sure as hell were not up to the task of facing it. However, a person alive today who lived under Soviet rule most likely was born when the USSR had already cemented itself politically. A lot of people under the Mao era were born during WWII, or the civil war following it. These swaths of devastation really can't be blamed on the old landlord killer, since they happened pre-rule. Speaking with someone from the USSR would be a better comparison tho.
Communism is dumb: Once I heard that Mulla Nasruddin had become a communist. I know him... I was a little puzzled. This was a miracle! I know his possessiveness. So I asked him, "Mulla, do you know what communism means?" He said, "I know." I said, "Do you know that if you have two cars and somebody hasn't a car, you will have to give one car?" He said, "I am perfectly willing to give." I said, "If you have two houses and somebody is without a house you will have to give one house?" He said, "I am perfectly ready, right now." And I said, "If you have two donkeys you will have to give one donkey to somebody else who has not?" He said, "There I disagree. I cannot give, I cannot do that!" But I said, "Why? -- because it is the same logic, the same corollary." He said, "No, it is not the same -- I have two donkeys, I don't have two cars."
Gonna be honest with you, Soviet Union was by no means communist. If it was then their would not have been a dictator. It is very telling how little people understand about these systems. Like there are clear differences between dictatorships, as opposed to communism, socialism, and capitalism.
Props to both gentlemen here. Beautiful debate. A lot of respect. A lot of facts from both sides. A genuine exchange of ideas. Agreement no necessary in either side. But mutual respect.
Animal Farm by George Orwell is an animated book that explains clearly how Socialism/totalitarianism/progressive/communist ideas turn bad eventually. It's free in audiobook format on youtube.
One of the greatest podcasts I've ever watched, old mate Patrick has some amazing interviews and this one's really telling the good and the bad for either, love it bruh ❤
@@iansmith3693Hard to see in America where all the communists were jailed, blacklisted, or driven out of the country. Look at what happened to Charlie Chaplin 😢
Ha this guy is a testament to how powerful the brain is. The brain is SOOO powerful it can ignore and twist all evidence to prove itself right. You are going to be the hero in the story in your head regardless!
The mind is indeed powerful. It's amazing how leaders in the past have been able to rationalize the literal killing and torture of large groups of people.
I think it’s really cool that these two guys are opposite but still are willing to meet up an debate with no hate or disrespect just disagreement we really need more of that in America thank you both for doing this
Always it pisses me off when I hear Lefty American Professor who is defending communist. I lived 30 years under the communism regimes. I was lucky to escape to USA The more than 100 million deaths that communism caused, divided by countries; : China: 82 million dead USSR: more than 21 million dead North Korea: 4.6 million dead Vietnam: 3.8 million dead Cambodia: 2.4 million dead Afghanistan: 1.5 million dead Yugoslavia: 1,172,000 dead Germany: 815,000 dead Mozambique: 729,000 dead Ethiopia: 725,000 dead Romania: 435,000 dead Czechoslovakia: 262,082 dead Venezuela: more than 252,000 dead Poland: more than 235,000 dead Hungary: 210,000 dead Angola: 125,000 dead Colombia: 105,419 dead Albania: 100,000 dead Rhodesia / Zimbabwe: more than 50,000 dead Laos: 45,000 dead Bulgaria: 31,150 dead Cuba: 73,000 dead
I respect PBD for having this convo but it is blatantly obvious how he glosses over important points and asks questions only from the perspective of US imperialism and capitalist realism. He has no concept of history.
He is truly following the path laid out by evil Santa Karl Marx. Except that marx eventually realized that he was wrong. Notice how communists never want to talk about that.
@JojoTheGeneral they are following the teaching of Gramsci, an Italian communist who promoted a revolutionary approach inside educational institutions to promote communism..more like a brainwashing revolution
Here is the pointing to Stalin’s real surname again the Y and J are the same and in the languages the D and J are shown together the H is an phonetic aspirant. Stalin’s surname, Dzhugashvili….. JUga….JUDA shivili…….Son of a Jew. The Dzh is also how they spell the J, Y sound in Russian. Knowing the H is a phonetic aspirant within this does make the YU the meaning of Jew, showing the G is a high eee sound and identical to the D sound. Given YU is Jew its likely the G is a D making JUDA. In Georgian they have this as Yuga which has no Dzh but the same sound its the Y ultimately. So JU, JEW. JUDA again. And Shvili means Son Of. YUDAshvili is Son Of JUDA. or JUDAH. Son Of A Jew. The Eastern Europe sources where correct on the meaning of this surname meaning this. This explains how it just was Stalin spoke perfect Yiddish his whole life. Yiddish is the common language Jews speak in most places next to Hebrew.
Stalin also made anti-Semitism the death penalty in the USSR and was behind the creation of Israel sending the Jewish NKVD down to help along with money and supplies and was also the first world leader to recognize, Israel as the Jewish State in the UN. In 1931 Soviet Dictator Josef Stalin told the Jewish News Agency in the United States that: “Under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty!” This move was also to protect the members of the ruling regime from being exposed as Jews. As this was officially hidden. Doing so was the death penalty. Stalin spent his career violently liquating all nationalist sentiment from within the Soviet Union. Millions of Ukrainian Nationalist alone went to the death camps of the Gulag to never return along with millions others before firing squads. But then Stalin just turns around and gives the Jews their own Nationalist region within the USSR and later green lighted the creation of Israel. May 7, 1934, Stalin created the Jewish state of Birobidjan (or Birobidzhan) in Russia. Birobidjan was the first territorial-administrative entity in the world designated for the Jewish people on the basis of their Jewish nationality. It was located on the border of Russia and China.
Some things can’t lie, as Stalin’s strange condition with his arm. Which he told numerous lies his whole life over. Why? Because for Jews in the Eastern regions he was from. His arm was a common genetic defect. Like tay-sachs disease which only effects Jews [which shows their a racial group.] Gymnast Kerri Strug, her father had the same withered arm Stalin had and he was a Russian Jew. This is common to Jews. Stalin also had another birth defect on two interconnected toes on his feet [which he lied to cover up again]which is common to Jews. Stalin’s place of birth Gori was the home of the largest Georgian Jewish population of the time. With Jewish groups such as the Lezgishvili branch of Jews being one of the largest ones in Georgia. Something to highlight is the surname of Stalin: Maurice Pinay wrote based off what Eastern Europeans had told him who escaped the Red Terror: “In the Georgian language “shvili” means son of, or son, as in Johnson. “Djuda” means Jew. therefore Djugashvili means Jewison… Or Joe Jewison.” [1] With this… “In the Georgian language “shvili” means son of, or son, as in Johnson. “Djuda” means Jew. therefore Djugashvili means Jewison… Or Joe Jewison.” As will be explained Juda, Iuda is the word for Jew in Georgia. Because this is the Jews word for themselves in all languages.
As a retired USAF Disabled Veteran that was the most amazing interview I have ever heard. I have never remarked on anything before. But comparing Biden to Reagan is a mind blower. Carter President when I entered the Air Force. I made less than I made at a restaurant. When I entered the Air Force. Thank God for President Reagan who who increased our wages significantly. I still don't make much but I do make enough to own a home. And I have a decent car to drive. Thank you, Patrick, for bringing him on your show. To show how lucky we are to be Americans. And how lucky you are to be here, too. Suggestion for show a senator or Congressman like Lindsey Graham. Who thinks we should be spending our tax dollars to support Ukraine government. And not taking care of our own Borders and government.
@@jamesbuckley972you literally read his comment and discounted everything he appreciated about this conversation. Probably wouldn’t throw stones if I were you.
You are right. Lindsey Graham is a disgrace to the republican party and a traitor. Same with Mitch McConnell. These frauds are the reason Republicans team up against Trump. Because he calls out all the establishment traitors.
Wonder if the Ukrainian soldiers make more than US soldiers? I mean, I get the danger, but curious if the US cash is going straight to those overseas peoples.
In all honesty tho Stalin was much better. He didn't really go after good and functional ppl. Mostly people killed by Stalin were criminals, foreign agents, far left activists, rioters, or those plotting against the regime. Sure, like anywhere else there were mistakes because supply of information was much more limited back then. But Stalin didn't target functional members of the society that didn't try to act against the constitutional order. He mostly killed people that didn't follow the law themselves so like it's not like these killings were lawless. Great deal of ppl that worked with Stalin and privately disagreed with him yet remained loyal and lawful died of old age. Had he been a crazy unhinged dictator no one would have lasted that long. Dude was fairly sane.
@@user-mb3dx5fl9f Stalin literally ordered people to be executed. Unless Jeff Bezos is living a double life one can almost say with 100% confidence Jeff Bezos never ordered the execution of anyone. So no, Bezos isn’t worse than Stalin. Is Bezos a scumbag? Absolutely, but he’s not someone that has no problem ordering the murder of someone like Stalin was
@@cgoins1993 Stalin didn't order constitution obiding Americans to be executed. He ordered to execute people that barely had any obligations under their existing law and didn't follow even those. He didn't break the law or constitution while doing so, and people that he executed never stood for a constitution or universal rights. He ordered to kill bunch of orcs basically that themselves were very open about being orcs. You can't pretend that all people in the world have same rights when these people themselves have very different obligations and values. People killed by Stalin never wanted universal rights and their values were extremely bloodthirsty. So no Stalin didn't do anything bad there. You cannot rule over a mob basically pretending that they have rights. While they themselves don't respect these same rights and don't want those.
very scary: Once I heard that Mulla Nasruddin had become a communist. I know him... I was a little puzzled. This was a miracle! I know his possessiveness. So I asked him, "Mulla, do you know what communism means?" He said, "I know." I said, "Do you know that if you have two cars and somebody hasn't a car, you will have to give one car?" He said, "I am perfectly willing to give." I said, "If you have two houses and somebody is without a house you will have to give one house?" He said, "I am perfectly ready, right now." And I said, "If you have two donkeys you will have to give one donkey to somebody else who has not?" He said, "There I disagree. I cannot give, I cannot do that!" But I said, "Why? -- because it is the same logic, the same corollary." He said, "No, it is not the same -- I have two donkeys, I don't have two cars."
@@mikeygROCNY The same China that had a Communist revolution and built itself into a global superpower in a single lifetime? The same China that is set to surpass the US on all economic and health metrics? That China? Oh so scary!
Patrick is ignorant. He’s never even talked to an Amazon worker. Amazon literally underpays them. And they recently got sued for stealing drivers tips. He makes a very valid point. If capitalism worked there wouldn’t be this many homeless people in America
Huge respect, PBD, for having strong values but still being smart enough to acknowledge with respect that there are others in the world. Very few are like this.
Would you be saying this if he was interviewing a fascist? It’s interesting how it’s acceptable to call yourself a communist which is an equally reprehensible ideology. All forms of structuring society have inequity but capitalism is the one that at least minimizes the amount of suffering.
@@reecegeorgens1755 Actually, yes, I would approve interviewing a fascist. I'm a convinced capitalist, but I disaprove vilifying other models of state. I don't think any ideology is "reprehensible". No value is fundamentally better than another. There is no absolute metrics that can state that capitalism is better than fascism or communism. I know that I prefer to live in a capitalist society, but my personal opinion doesn't make a capitalist society objectively better.
@@kimobrien. That may be a byproduct of what the ideology does, but considered more seriously the goal of fascism is to create a perfect society based on strength and excellence. Its practical application is very painful though, like communism (and some would argue capitalism)
Conversations like this can only happen on a Podcast, not screaming at each other on Fox or MSNBC. Two adults showing each other respect, and respect for each position even though they were worlds apart. Great interview.
No, I’m sure PBD can not respect this guy as a man. Was he civil to him...yes, but that’s it. You can’t actually respect some one with such radical views and believes in a death cult like Marxism/Lenninism-Stalinism.
It’s no secret that great strides can be made when power is concentrated in ambitious hands. It’s also no secret concentrated power corrupts long term.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it."---Lord Acton
he finds sports and capitalism too competitive with people willing to step on the other to win, but is okay with the death toll under Stalin because it was necessary? Wtf
China is a perfect example of this comment. Economy built China up really fast seeing some of the biggest most hi-tech cities in the world. However the government is extremely corrupt violating so many human rights.
I was born in a communist country during the Soviet era. Yes, on the outside it appeared that there was equality and that people were somewhat content. There were some benefits to communism which do not outweigh the negatives. Yes, under Stalin the economy grew, but did we mention that people's land was taken away and taken over by the government for the benefit of "all"? They pretended to give something back to people to compensate for this...pennies compared to what they took. I know because it happened to my family. They took what is now land worth millions from us. Once communism fell apart, we weren't able to get our land back from a corrupt government that was making too much from our resource rich land. Similarly to Patrick, I left with my family and lived in a refugee camp in Germany. We left right after communism fell apart when I was around 6 years old. We lived in poverty for many years and struggled greatly. The way that communism worked is through the seizure of people's generational wealth, which in turn was redistributed to benefit a corrupt government. The same corrupt government officials became oligarchs after robbing their country blind once communism fell apart. All of the sudden the same people who were all for "equality" became capitalists with the people's money.
@@weiserhalunke9168 Private land was taken from the people and redistributed to the state when communism was brought in. The way that communism worked is by taking from the people...their land and labour, and making them all "equal". The only reason why the leaders liked equality is because they were the only ones that could be enriched. When it all came apart, they loved capitalism because they took the people's money and fled to countries where they repurposed it to their benefit through capitalism. The problem was the communist system that made it easy to intimidate people if they rebelled, and take from them what they worked hard to achieve. Communism falling apart just made people realise why government officials wanted it to fail. They finally had the opportunity to take what they could take and enjoy their plunder. Keep your guns and make sure no government, corporation, or whatever system of power in the US is able to do what was done in the Soviet. Yes, no healthcare and corporate greed is a problem, but you definitely don't want the Soviet problem at your doorstep. It was just another method of control and impoverishment of the many.
There are many criticisms of Soviet style socialism, especially after it became revisionist with Krushchev. And I get that you have many grievances for how your family suffered under it, but I commend you to read and learn more about the Soviet leaders’ justifications for their actions, how they expected it to help the people, and how they to some extent did help. Like, yes you might say that collectivizing agriculture was a mistake, as people weren’t ready for it yet, but don’t you think it was instrumental to increase production to defeat the Nazis who damn near conquered the Soviet people? Things have to be seen in historical and material context, but the bottom line is that most communists harshly criticize past socialist experiments (USSR, China, DPRK, Cuba, …), but still believe in Communism’s ability to help the people greatly, and that with taking lessons from the past, we’ll be able to implement a much greater world Communism today ✊🚩
@@Albert-xl3nx Its ignorant of him to say communism will lead to a good life while living his entire life in US. THAT is ignorant. He has no compassion and no insight, no knowledge and no wisdom. That is the definition of ignorance.
@@ritahunter1945 It had more to do with the millions of soldiers who sacrificed their lives and the fact that Russia was being invaded by a foreign enemy, but yes I'm glad you're not defending what Stalin did (in the name of communism).
@@Quinston82 what he did was never good but during that one period not jusr him but the Russians did themselves and we should not forget that Russian people have also suffered for centuries I could never say communism is good it's destroyed south Africa
0:30 In capitalist countries. People live better then in communist countries. Including the poor and the rich. This is true of industrialized capitalist countries.
Cherry picking, the industrialized nations who happen to have colonial empires or former colonial empires. Countries like Mexico, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Indonesia. All of them, in the majority of their existence, have been capitalist countries, and the millions upon millions of poeple living in shanty towns, do not live better than how people lived on the USSR. They would change their shacks without running water or sanitation for some ugly commie apartment without thinking it But I guess you have never walked in a shanty town in your life.
He seems nice and civil enough, but I can't understand why he believes what he believes and still takes his professor pay without a problem. He should put his money where his mouth is and immediately redistribute it to the nearest student working a desk job on campus for very little pay. How can he reconcile his beliefs with knowingly receiving the pay that he receives every pay check?
@HushRush In his ideal communistic country, an established professor and a struggling student would enjoy the same level of wealth. So why is he taking the whole of his paycheck and watching others get paid just enough to live on? If I lived in a world that I believed was completely wrong and I had the money/power to create a sphere of a correct world for myself and those around me, I would do so. (ie. Split my salary with my TAs) That would be proof that I actually believe what I say is best to be best.
@HushRush You'd be breaking the law in your country by performing abortions, whereas he wouldn't be breaking the law by redistributing the difference between his pay and his TAs' pay. There is nothing holding him back from creating a world he believes is better for himself and those around him. If he won't even do it himself with those that work under him for minimal pay, why is he saying he believes it should be so for the country? Also, if you must live in a cold area and really believe it should be warmer, you should turn up the heat in your household or place of work, and wear thicker clothing which will make you and those around you warmer. Wearing lighter clothing doesn't achieve anything for you or anyone around you, so I'm not sure why that would be the same as redistributing your income to make the world as it should be for yourself and those that work under you.
The calm and intellectual manner that these two people conducted themselves in this conversation here, is more of what this whole world needs. That being said, I was taken aback by Asatar's support of Joseph Stalin.
More appropriate to use pseudo-intellectual for the prof. He uses flawed logic and has simplistic and inaccurate understanding of how the world works. His teachings radicalize young minds towards communism and entitlement. They graduate and can't even define what a woman is!
Only a person who lived in a privileged society with freedoms their whole life can argue that communist regimes are better for the people.This guy needs to go live in such society before speaking on it never mind teaching our kids this. My family fled such a country and never looked back!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@puckloki873 anywhere in the USA is better then a communist country, until you experienced it and get out and travel and see how it really is you’d wouldn’t know
@@puckloki873 These guys miss the point. Placing Stalin and Mao in their respective historical contexts is not endorsing such a system for either Russia or China or any western nation today. I think the point of this, is to say, that no country has ever developed itself without human rights abuses on the way up. In America, the African and indigenous populations bore the brunt of its abuses. In China and USSR, it was criminals and political dissidents. Personally, I'm not going to say one is better or worse, but nobody wants to live in Russia under Stalin anymore than 1840s United States.
Mr Bet David is to commended. In spades. I, for one, have almost never had the opportunity to see an unabashed celebrator of capitalism behave so fairly, decently, and calmly with a ‘hard leftist’, sans all the hysterics to be expected from characters like Stuart Varney or Tom Woods.
One problem, his arguments are from the anti-communist manual of the US State Department. And these guys, in order to achieve a goal, love to transform. For info - I'm Russian with leftist views.
Lol your family lived not you 1st , 2nd at that time everyone(people) had very less money (mostly poor) nothing we have today(tech,science) so when comparing please keep that in mind , like in India people were dying of starvation until the green revolution then everyone had enough food to eat(through socialism) same with all other basic amenities
Isn't it great that people like this can have debates about this, while in socialism if you try to critize the system you are taken away by secret police.
The US created the Espionage act to imprison communists look up Eugene Debbs. The FBI killed Fred Hampton and infiltrates every communist organization your history is flawed.
@@Ghost-yb5md That's not even close to what happens in socialism, besides Bernie Sanders is quite popular on the left and the last I checked he was driving around in an Audi R8.
Asatar is right about "holodomor". Patrick asks: "have you ever been to Russia?" when Asatar speaks about famine in Ukraine in 1932. I was born in Ukraine and now i'm living in Moscow in Russia. So i tell you that you not need to live in Ukraine or Russia to know that there was a famine every 5-10 years in Russian Empire and you just need to read some statistics. And Ukraine was at that time just one of USSR states - there was no reason to kill people in state that gives you a lot of scientists, food and industrial power. And if you know the history, then you should know that Nikita Khrushev and Leonid Brezhnev were from Ukraine state. So Asatar has the right point of view about things in USSR. The main idea of communism is theory of work alienation. You may have discussion about USSR way or Cuba way, and about mistakes and problems socialistic countries and theirs history, but the main idea of communism is the idea of 99% of living people, that wants to take part in choosing the path of development of society and don't want to be competitors with mexicans, chinese or iranian people. But this idea is opposes to point of view of 1% of rich people in the world who wants to rule people thru the goverments. It is simple and complicated same time.
Patrick, I think you did an awesome job of letting Dr. Bair give his points without interrupting. The question for me is not whether it's more important for someone to pursue their purpose and ambition or pursue the guaranteed safe life to make everybody happy. The question for me is, why does someone get to choose what is best for me?
It’s chosen for you by what the society you live in has chosen - whether democratically or through coercion. Your choice then is to either move or change it.
This program goes to show you how fair Patrick is. To give this guy a platform like his is very fair. It also goes to show how Patrick is extremely secure on his point of view. Very different from what we are seeing from everyone else and their “cancel culture” nonsense. Everyone should be able to express their opinions and beliefs without being afraid or intimidated of being canceled. Great Job Patrick 👏👏👏
He’s the best political interviewer out there. By far. Not even close. He really allows the subject to speak without interruption & without letting his biases shut down the exchange. So valuable.
Thank you for standing up for human rights. Capitalism may not be perfect but it is 1000x better then any other system. There is no place for socialism, communism or fascism in the 21st century. These ideas need to be forgotten and never practiced in today’s world.
We should have Regulated Capitalism with Strong social programs .We should have Universal Health Care ,End all our Wars ,Raise the min wage and this would fix many of our problems.
@@brianblair6067 capitalism in America today is heavily regulated, the free market almost doesnt even exist anymore. We have countless entitlement programs and high taxes. Socialism isnt the answer.
@@alfarouqaminufor3892 we don't have capitalism in America for well over 50 years since the 50s we operate like a fascist economy, heavy taxation and regulation thanks to all the socialism injected into the economy our trade deficit proves so
"I'm not defending Iran." Dude can't even follow what he's saying or being willfully ignorant. 1. He didn't come for money, he came for principles. 2. He wasn't rich. Narrative destroyed.
Problem is there's no Patrick in the classrooms. Just kids who have no real life experience and the logical fallacy of trusting professors due do their position of authority
I do not know if Patrick will read this message or not, but here we go: Patrick, analogies, metaphors, and similes are your most potent tools as a communicator. You use them in almost every single argument you make, which makes the conversation more relatable. However, when arguing with individuals like this Professor or Neil DGT, YOU MUST have numbers, data, and historical arguments to support your ideas. That's what the professor is doing to you to refute your arguments. Anyway, those are my two cents 😉😎
@Kevin Nguyen While I disagree with the Professor's views, he was a good debater. It was interesting how he dominated the argument and circled it back to his point of view.
If you show them the numbers of 120 million people starving to death because the dirty commies thought they could farm their own food after stealing the land from the plebs, then they just ignore it. Or claim ''well that's not real communisms!!!!!!!!''
The most curious thing about this to me is that your guest believes so whole heartedly all of these theories yet has experienced none of the realities. There are places to go and experience the lifestyle he promotes yet he (and his family) chooses to stay in America. Perhaps it is the fear of learning that everything he believes is only good in theory and the reality would be crushing. The most disturbing thing is that he is a college professor and is filling young impressionable minds with self destructive ideology.
@@jacobsnyder552 communist China abolished absolute poverty and lifted 800 million out of poverty meanwhile capitalist africa and India are in the same shit situation as 70 years ago
I have commented this before but I comment it again. As someone who has difficulty controlling their emotions, I respect PBD’s ability and willingness to listen to and have dialogue with voices across the spectrum. Thank you for doing this.
I have a serious issue controlling my frustrations and anger However there is a cap to how I react poorly in those situations. For instance I'm somebody who throughout the day periodically gets pretty angry at the things that frustrates him out in the world but I never get to a point and which I lash out it people unless they are absolutely horrible individuals who have done something really bad to me So that kind of outburst is something that might happen to me once every 3 to 5 years. Also I never get angry to a point where I would ever harm somebody. So what's your opinion Do you think that I'm somebody based off what I just said You can't control his emotions or does the fact that I never get past a certain point mean that I do have control over it and some way shape or form?
@@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995 I have given some thought to your question, and I don’t think I have the facilities or enough information to answer it. But let me tell you what I believe and maybe it’ll help you, let me know if you disagree. I am someone who lacks confidence and shy’s away from confrontation, I think I need to get more comfortable talking to people and stop worrying about being judged and that comes from being competent. On the flip side there are people who are constantly looking to confront people and “give them a piece of their mind” I think such people need to step back for a moment and think about what value that brings to the situation. I think emotions are a spectrum and being calm falls somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. Being calm doesn’t mean being weak it means being in control. Examples would be top athletes, surgeons, soldiers etc they are calm and collected while performing their tasks we also know people in the same professions who get emotional mess things up.
I would have no problem with this guest if he was a professor at Moscow University in Russia or one in China. Anyone in America promoting a foreign ideology is a subversive! End of story! Prove me wrong! I love America, I love our founders, our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. This "professor" hates and disrespects all that I believe in and can logically defend, that he refused to respect!
I have been to the USSR. It was clean and beautiful. Would I have wanted to live there back then? HELL NO! Since you’ve never been you do not have any idea what it was truly like to live under Communism. I don’t care how many books you’ve read. I don’t care how many people you’ve talked to or movies you’ve seen. You have no clue! It was shocking to me to see the complete suffering the everyday person had to live under. Blocks of lines for food and bread. The fear every minute of every day that the KGB would knock down your door because your kid made an off handed comment at school and your door was kicked in and you were beaten and dragged off to a re-education camp. You were lucky if you had heat or hot water! Three to five families had to pool their money to buy a rattletrap car and share it. Gas was so expensive sometime the car would just sit because there wasn’t enough money to put gas in it. Two to 3+ generations living in one small apartment because rent was hard to cover on your own. These people that I watched were weeping because they were suffering. How can you sit there in your nice, climate friendly house, coming and going as you please, making a good living, eating what you want, sitting in your yard enjoying the evening, watching TV or listening to whatever music or talk radio host you want and tell me you want to live in a “you will own nothing and be happy” country? How would you feel if you, a Communist, Lenin enthusiast, if you were dragged off to a re-education camp to be brainwashed to Capitalism and until you conformed you had to stay at that prison camp? You are free to believe and spout whatever claptrap you choose and no one will arrest you for saying it. In the USSR you could be imprisoned, shot, tortured or starved to death for believing what the govt didn’t agree with. You have a warped and dangerous belief system but you are allow to believe anything you wish when your country is free. Keep brainwashing your students. Communism is what schools are teaching our kids especially in college. See, what you don’t understand and never will, it’s wonderful to dream about living under a dictatorship but it crushes the soul. I am 65 and probably don’t have as many years left as I did in my 20’s, 30’s, and 40’s and I do not want to be “ruled”. I can tell you one thing I know for sure, you would not give up everything you have and what you have earned to stand in a bread line with your neighbors!
I really enjoyed this debate from both sides. However, I found it difficult to fight the irony of Dr. Bair's views while living and prospering in a country such as America where we are undoubtedly afforded many opportunities the rest of the world is not. Both guys are extremely articulate and educated but when Bet-David asked the professor if he had ever visited Russia and got a "no" in response was very eye opening. Reminds me of David Goggins when we talks about the professor and human performance and Goggins is like: "you think your way because you read it in a book. well I've lived it and I know exactly what the human body is capable."
@@accelerator8929 About opportunities the question becomes "what else _can_ they do?" and "what else _are_ they doing?" I wasted mine but have kept trying to move forward and to some extend I have. Regarding communism, in it by design you are to accept whatever the state decides... if that's destitution there would not be any "opportunity" change it
A ton of those opportunities come at the expense of the third world that we exploit. So there's the idea of having empathy for all human life. This ridiculous notion that you can't criticize a society because you live in it is insane and would never lead to anything, which you'd probably like because capitalism has afforded YOU a lot. Not most people on earth, YOU. And you're selfish enough to argue to keep it even when the stats are in your face
@@ponguso1 I was born and live in bogota, colombia, not exactly a first world, imperialist superpower (as you may now) but a not-too-socialist country unlike venezuela from which we now have hordes of immigrants. Empathy? not for _able-bodied_ people who trade on pity and demand ever increasing amounts of benefits because "they don't have enough" (there's been riots this year for related topics). Coherent and rational arguments for markets don't stem from selfishness but from the fact that since the 1840s (about the time the manifesto was published) world population has increased about 6.5 times while poverty (in a not-too-socialist, mostly-markets-driven world) has _decreased_ like never before. This alone counters the thesis that capitalism only accumulates wealth in a few hands leaving _everyone else_ poor... after all 170+ years should've been more than enough time for this , and the inevitable revolution such disparities were supposed to bring, to happen
I love how respectful both gentlemen were and how they listened to each other's viewpoints. I respect Patrick a lot for consistently letting his viewers speak and not letting emotions get to him. Bravo!
My question to him would be if capitalism forces you to work and communism doesn’t then what if no one wants to work. Wouldn’t everybody just starve or weed themselves out because we would have to revert back to medieval times.
Or maybe you're the one living in a fantasy world. All he spoke was facts that you can check. Maybe is your world view that is so different from his that makes that effect! You should me more open minded!
@@diogo6050 lol, I intended brother. I simply think he isn't being realistic to history or reality. I'll have to rematch this because it's been a few months since I seen it but I remember him being very misleading with his "facts". Enlighten me though, what big disagreement with Patrick did he have that you say he's so correct and factual about?
@@JoseGarcia-vi3pu All his historical arguments check out. Unfortunately they didn't go into much deth about today's validity of China government and if he agrees with it, but when we talk about history, he's right. I hope you aren't getting mad or unconfortobable with my comment, that was not my intention.
@@diogo6050 I'm not mad all. I must say this, you have very vague replies. Lets focus on something specific that he and Patrick disagree on and let's get into the subject.
I've noticed that the far Left use... right as a tactic to garner support whether they make a claim that is completely and utterly, demonstrably untrue. Example: We are all assigned a gender at birth by the doctor... right?
My wife is Ukrainian, her Grandma was alive during Holodomor, it was very real. Her Grandpas Dad was sent to the Gulag for sharing seeds with children. 2 of her siblings starved to death
these people will never reason with what you are saying, they think it's a fantasy, a propaganda, and that it was actually equality in communism. So unfortunate that those who did the genocides in the communism never payed for their crimes.
A Rube Goldberg machine of mental gymnastics which makes for not very robust interpretations and theoretical frameworks. It leads to a lot of fairy tale abstract realities. In the case of string theorists and quantum mechanics it leads to spooky action at a distance and simultaneously dead and alive cats and infinite divergent universes where all possibly realities exist. In the case of socialists and Marxists, it makes for a world of postmodernism where nothing is objectively true and only power structures create paradigms and utopian fantasies of everyone being forced to get along and be equal by the state
I think what happens with universities in the same case of Hollywood, is that established and sensible theories and schools of thought become stale to researchers and writers of books. So they come up with the craziest most edgy novel idea to do a thesis on to stand out from the crowd. This motivation to stand out and do something new creates more and more insane paths for people to pursue. In Hollywood we see the over representation of degeneracy and things which are not social norms. This media marketing distorts reality and at the same time influences society to mirror the behavior of those people see as cultural influencers
Bair said you could politically oppose Stalin in the party. Absolute nonsense, Stalin did'nt tolerate that, in fact he purged or dissappeared any opposition. Like it is now in Russia but worse. This is just common sense and is known. Bair is an apologist and uses "whataboutism".
"The economy grew massively under Stalin" < Yeah, but they were a primarily agrarian society that had been living in a monarchy, under the Tsar. Of course the initial economic growth would be rapid when you're starting at an extremely low level. That doesn't prove communism works economically in the long-term!
@yourfavouriteneighbourhoodcommunist I thought communists were anti imperialist. Either way, I'm not sure the millions who died with such a paranoid leader would take comfort in this knowledge. You should be ashamed of wanting Stalin.
@yourfavouriteneighbourhoodcommunist Of course it did. What's your point? Was there a unified Europe at the time? NO. Europe was in the decline as it's colonial power waned. Was China any more than a backwater at the time? NO. Name one other country that had the population, natural resources, and ability to unify their provincial powers to compete with America at that time....Who else but Russia and it's satellites could compete? France? The UK?
@Marpolino Dritto I'm more addressing his focus on them being a super power. Answer me this honestly, because I want to hear your side. Why dont communists ever discuss the deaths? None I've spoken to want to address it. They just dodge it.
The only lie is in that he says we are taught that. All we are taught in school is non-stop Holocaust programming and how bad Hitler was. Stalin is never mentioned even though his atrocities were far worse.
That's the thing, I don't think Stalin is an appalling monster I think Marxism is an appalling idea and absolutely anyone who was in Stalin's position would have done the same thing simply by following Marxist doctrines. It doesn't matter at all who Stalin was as a person, if he didn't run the purges he would have been purged.
The quote from Elon Musk comes to mind -“I hate when people confuse education with intelligence. You can have a bachelor’s degree and still be an idiot.”
Like say, 18-year-old, confused and conflicted college students? I recently went back to school and earned my degree at 35 and this guy is not the exception when it comes to the ideas held by a majority of so called "intellectuals". I went to college in central West Virginia and the head of the English department required us to base ALL papers we wrote on the idea of an oppressor and the oppressed. It was a real insidious form of indoctrination, placing Marxist ideas like this without being outright about it. I saw this as a 35-year-old Army veteran with world and life experience... these kids didn't see it, yet the idea stuck. The entire experience was so eye opening as to what really goes on in today's higher learning institutions. People like this joker is why our nation is dying and people don't even know what they're doing.
@@deathhexxxgaming3431 this is the norm now as the universities have been co-opted by the Rockefeller woke, all designed to create a docile working class that's smart enough to run the machines and vote but not smart enough to figure out the scam
Although you could admire theoretical contributions of various historical figures, USSR was a totalitarian state. Can a totalitarian system ever be actually socialist? I doubt it. This being said, we need to advance our conceptions of these systems. Capitalism is not the answer, however neither is totalitarian socialism.
For the most part (there are always exceptions) there weren’t people defecting from West Germany to East Germany, there aren’t people defecting from South Korea to North Korea, and there aren’t boat loads of people risking their lives to defect from the USA to Cuba. That should tell you all you need to know on the Capitalism vs Communism debate.
@@vladislavbg9307 I’m trying to understand your point? Are you saying those countries aren’t able to thrive because they can’t fully participate in the “free market?”
@@tressietes04 the only people that defect from capitalism to communism in the USA are usually on the FBI most wanted list! I’m a Cuban/American and know the struggles and horrors that the Cuban people have lived through for 62 years. Every country socialism has touched only ends up destroying those countries, period!
@@tressietes04 Lmao, exactly. North Korea can't even function without China's aid. In the 50's, the Soviet Union was the sole reason they were able to even survive for as long as they did. The fact that they can't survive without trading proves that their system is just an utopian story.
In every ex communist state there are some loyal communists. Obviously not everyone suffered under communism. Members of the Party received various jobs, housing, cars, etc. On other hand wealthy people lost their companies, land and houses etc and were denied jobs and these are obviously than anti communist
Stalin's legacy is still a poor desolate country with a standard of living way below any western nation. Think about it. Not a single capitalist country managed to do worse then the top communists of the day. If you were running a race the communist would be the guy comming in last, bragging about his superior training method.
Clearly he meant jobs that are disdained, not difficult. Like dads telling their sons they will be a garbage man or burger flipper if they don’t go to school. Miners, for example, were very highly regarded. Ask West Virginia miners how highly they are regarded in USA. USA has a long history of labor exploitation-currently using immigrants. Do you deny this?
I just started this and I'm already worried about Patrick missing on asking the correct questions. He always gets really close to hitting it but he never lands on target with his questions and it's very frustrating
I had the same feeling, like with killing lot of people by Stalin and Mao was done to save other people´s lives, or with the famine in Ukraine, not true it wasn´t intentional, also about going to live in Russia or Chine - of course it would not be pleasant to live there unless you belong to the "chosen" group of cronies, also about elections there. Omg what naivety. I mean capitalism and imperialism of the WEST gets on my nerves especially or exploiting / murdering all other peoples of the Earth. But to go and defend Stalin or Mao? That´s really insane. What are your examples?
Now, I know I’m a little late to the party, but the communist and capitalist sitting down and having a discussion and ending it by wanting to get dinner. This is good for our country. Thanks for sharing.
The commie will get him a government issued potato and a vegetable, and max out his allowance on food + some vodka made from tree bark… PBD will get him a fine ribeye steak, twice baked potatoe with all the fixins, multiple vegetables, and his choice of alcohol.
@@andrewjackson9948 No, its supporting the socialist system of subsidies and regulation that keeps your food affordable. Im a farmer, and there is nothing capitalist about your food in any western country. Believe me, if it was really free market capitalism, i would be a lot richer, and alot of you would be starving....
Thoughts on his views?
Rubbish
Send him to china.
He needs to go to Cuba or Venezuela
I’m a quarter through the interview. I wonder if he’ll mention the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Doubtful. Also, he didn’t want you to look up his income during interview.
He shouldn't be allowed near young minds that's for sure
I can't believe that Patrick got an interview with Karl Marx himself.
Karl Marx wasn't communist -
Karl Marx is how far right he is willing to go
@Thomas feel you bru 😂😂
@@darkshinob smh
That was good
Having grown up in communism, I find this interview fascinating. But my question is why professor Bair lives in the USA. He could move to Cuba, North Korea or even China. Why hasn't he? Maybe because he wouldn't have a cushy, six-figure job over there. I reckon he enjoys the benefits of being a college professor in a capitalist country.
Because the countries that you have mentioned has nothing to do to with communism.
As bad as communism is, I don’t understand it when people ask these types of questions. Like, if I wasn’t poor and have enough to sustain a relatively good life, I wouldn’t easily move to a whole new country and jump into a completely different culture just because I praise a certain economic structure. It’s basically like me asking you “why don’t you move out of the United States since you don’t like Biden and big tech basically controlling ‘freedom of speech’?”
You only move and migrate when you have no other choice and no good means of living a respectable life. There are too many different angles that go into it including family, friends, culture, having only known the place you grew up in. Plus it’s funny seeing you only mention Cuba and N. Korea and just added China there to sound objective. You could’ve mentioned other countries that are more successful with aspects of communism and socialism. And I’m not at all a “communist”.
@@StrayedIdea Well, then socialist countries en route to communism. Almost the same situation. I think.
@@StrayedIdea pretty sure China, Cuba and N Korea know a bit about communism
@@StrayedIdea lemme guess. Real communism hasn't been tried before?
As a former USSR citizen, I’m ready to buy him a one way ticket to : Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea…to complete his Marxism research and gain his social life experience.
Yeah you won’t see him going anywhere near those countries.
I will add couple dollars on coffee and sandwich
It's easy to be a communist in a free state It's impossible to be free in a communist state
Former Soviet here too. I agree.
😝we all in chip in for that social experience 🤣
In this comment section, there is barely any discussion of what dr.Bair actually said.
Are you surprised? What do you expect from that type of audience?
@@michaelmappin1830 Yeah, that’s fair actually
And? They can't come up with an actual logical argument, because there is none. Only: "Live in a communist country bro" lmao
I heard him say "right" after almost every sentence. Does that count
@@Hangs4FunGod I know I had to stop watching and it sucks I'm very interested in what he has to say
In capitalism, the average person can become non-average, it depends on each one. We should strive for equality of opportunity not equality of results.
Incorect most people are closer to being honless than to being bill gates. And most is not because og circumstances they can control such as race family money conectiins etc
totally agree
Yes well said, equality of opportunity!
The difference between theory or what we strive for and then the real world application of that thing, capitalism is all good until the population gets put in a box, in a system where you have to justify infinite growth how does that not lead to chaos, and then because the system is stacked so top heavy it falls, capitalism then socialism then communism
It's that one concept that socialists just don't understand.
I wonder why this guy is not living at Cuba, North Korea or China?
I made the comment before seeing the whole video, watch 53:12 and take a laugh along Patrick
@@elpipi lmao🤣🤣🤣 classic commie.
Because the battle has been won there, now its just about enforcing the doctrine. Here we have yet to consume the poison pill. They are trying.
China is NOT even Communist. China is a Social Nationalist state.
@@lucasgrey9794 cant find large scale definitional communism anywhere. The human ego will not allow that.
*Professor:* Puts Stalin on an alter for his "massive" improvements to society through communism.
*Pat:* Would you live in a Communist country?
*Professor:* I don't like this question. 53:14
It's a wrap folks. If you are defending communism but refuse to live in a communist country your argument holds no weight. 🤡
Because it’s a dumb question in the first place lol
@@lolberthater8050 how is it a dumb question? If your actions don't align with your values and principles then you're a fraud. This professor is a fraud. He sits there and says every humans lives should inherently be taken care if by Government while he EARNED everything he has - his PHD, his career. He literally dedicated time to his craft and the capitalist market which he lives in found value in that so he was rewarded with a prestigious career/PHD. You can't make this up. 🤣🤣🤣
He's a total fraud who doesn't practice what he preaches but lies to himself to convince himself what he's preaching is morally acceptable when in reality it's self destructive. Blaming your problems (including financial situation) on external forces is a recipe for a life of misery, envy and self loathing. It's the exact OPPOSITE of how he became successful but it's a lie that relieves individuals of any accountability so gullible fools eat it up because it's more painful to accept accountability and put in that work to improve market value as he did. 🤷♂️
Read The Whispers by Orlando Figes if you want to learn what living under Stalin was like.
Please time stamp I don’t want to listen to this whole thing to find that gem
@@msabedra1 53:14
The first time I listened to this I thought Dr. Asatair sounded crazy in his argument. Now a year later I think Patrick is crazy 😂😅
The problem isn’t that he’s dishonest with himself, it’s that he teaches your children to think the same.
he us probably is flat earther
These people are drawn to teaching children and college students because they can't get away with it when speaking to adults that have life experience
I believe that ONE of the problems that We as a country's has, lies w/not paying competent (people) teachers a livable wage. USA's EDUCATION sys. SUCKS... That being said...
The current K-12 educational curriculum DOES NOT support "children" reaching the academic lvl. required, in order to sit in one of Dr. Ghandi Clause's classroom...
Maybe you should teach your children to be independent thinkers and not be so quick to agree with someone just because they can speak with a big vocabulary. Where does the fault really lie?
I’m not defending this guy or his philosophy so don’t come at me with that.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals will believe them...”
Never truer words have been spoken!
Absolutely correct!
Most intellectuals are absent of common sense.
He is what you would call in the USSR a “useful idiot”
An intellectual is someone who's produces ideas. Nobody said they had to be good ideas. Just like a chef can make good or bad meals, intellectuals can produce good and bad ideas.
“He killed millions of people.”
“Let’s not deflect…”
That had me lol’n.
Communism with a smile is still communism.
@@countryboy2368anything communism offers comes in the most beautiful package, packaged by the highest level of skillfull packagers. The problem is that every time you open one of these packages, there is ALWAYS a turd in it.
Being honest, the exact same thing is happening in the world today.
But not my communism
@zloyboy8 communist won't fix will make that 20 times worse otlr more.
@@zloyboy8not due to capitalism
That PBD can make a literal fortune by bilking thousands of families of their savings, with a thinly veiled pyramid scheme, then turn around and think he's contributing to society, with his grotesque wealth made off the suffering of others, is just astonishing.
People that 'know' what is best for everyone else are a worry
always
These people that know what is best for you are the most dangerous of all. Mostly, because they are self righteous is their beliefs and feel good as you are destroyed. A seriously sick and antichrist attitude.
So liberals are a worry
Yeah and you're using social media that censors opinion and witch hunts people for thinking different.
The current system is the same
The problem is authoritarianism
Bet this guy wouldn't give up his paycheck to live the Communists lifestyle.
Right
Nah. He definently will be at a sale on a black friday promotion.
Of course not they are complete hypocrites these are the people teaching our College students
Just like Carl Marx, who got wealthy of his communist books.
Don’t give this guy the time PBD.
"Stalin did have an extraordinary impact on people's lives"
He ended tens of millions of them.
@L A person can do both you know.And he didn't fought nazis because of good conscience he did so as to save his own hide.
@L Well most of the things that you mentioned are already there in most of the developed countries in europe and they did that without executing 10s of millions of people so no i don't think and giving those benefits alongside killing millions and/or putting them in gulag is a good deal. And as for your quote.... cool.
@L you totally ignored his comment. 10s of millions killed, perhaps more. Never worked across several countries and cultures throughout the history of the world and always ended disastrous. You can act intellectual all you want, but if you can’t understand how that’s bad, i don’t know what to tell you.
@L 3 things:
1.There are lots of other variables which go into making a country succesful economically and socially other than it being a socialist country or not.
2.The reason China overcame India has been vastly oversimplified by you. There are the factors of India being a democratic nation which led to power being slowly and steadily falling into incompetent and corrupt hands because the illeterate masses voted for those who had a socialist viewpoint without understanding its complication while in china the case was that from 1930 it had a authoritarian rule of sort thus they had more time to focus on building the nation for as they knew they would not be ousted.And even then they did a poor job.And as for the fact that from 1980 china had a economic boom,go and read and you will find that is was in fact a capitalistic boom.Business's were now allowed to do business without state intervention and whatnot.It was just socialistic in name only just like the Nazi were socialistic in name only.And as for India man India had been a socilatis esque country for so long that ultimately it brought ita own downfall as in the 1970s and 80s when the companies were willing to come to India it declined and stopped them from entering the country.That is not very capitalistic if you ask me.The real capitalistic policies started coming in 1994 with the LPG policy which is a freere policy for both the citizens and outside people to be able to do business freely in India and another capitalistic boom is currently happening in India.And it was because of these cpaitalistic policies that the indian economy started developing a backbone.Man let me tell you one thing that if you saw the level of economy and livelihood back in 90s or 2000s to 60s and 70s and choose where someone would like to live most would say 90s for that is when the economy really started picking up its pace though not for long for corruption.And fyi i am an Indian.
3.And as for the point of asking people whether they would like to live in capitalistic or socialistic economy most will definitley say the socialistic for the people saying this are the people who have benefitted from socialism while the real the people who had faced the real brunt are now dead or escaped the country.So that poll is useless.Instead read the history and you will find the number of people who had died if taken into account for as they would surely be against staying in a socialitisc economy would make the poll 30-70 or even less in favour of not staying in socialistic economies.
And sorry for i have missed a kot of other points you made for first i have already written a lot so i don't want to write anymore and two i need to do some research on the other points you made.
@L Damn for a person saying to cite sources and whatnot i see absolutely...uhmm..yess absolutely 0 sources.All i see are you know this you know that et cetra.First of all stalin killed 6 million people directly and indirectly 9 million that i know for sure so i don't know which number you are talking about in which the nazis were included.And as for the 5x capiatlism...hmmm...yup again 0 sources cited.And again i don't know which black book of communism you are talking about.I haven't derived all this information from one book so i don't know which book you are talking about.Again before asking someone else to cite sources please you cite the sources of all the fantastical claims that you are talking about like car deaths and whatnot.
Great interview. In the end of the day, it is not about choosing NOW if we want to live in Soviet Union or United States. It's about understanding what works well in both systems and adapting the pros to current reality, and to build a better future.
"Stalin is better for the world than Bezos..."
Whelp I'm not sure what kind of middle ground you can reach with that statement.
Lol
If you really belive that Bezos is better for the world than Stalin, you should do some studies...
@@postmodernmarxist101 bro, Stalin killed millions of people..
@@postmodernmarxist101 Do you realize that Stalin perpetrated a genocide on the educated class. It took over 50 years for the nation to even begin to recover. They still haven't. Entire villages and family lineages were eradicated because they were educated. You would have been sent to the gulags.
Only when my package is late
48:25:
"He killed millions of people...", "
"Let's not deflect"
Gotta use that one on the gf
Let's not talk about what happen in Ukraine. More people killed there than the Holocaust.
@@BOMEFSY A conversation worthy of Truth but nonetheless covered up in history…
That life expectancy he is talking about it mainly due to progress in medicine (Peniclin) that this profesor tends to omit. It was not Stalin achivement.
You guys have tiny brains
Hundreds of millions*
PBD: "He killed millions of people." Communist Prof: "Let's not deflect."
😂😂😂
@R D GDP didn’t go up, it blipped up and then continued its downward path. Bear in mind that communist countries behind the Iron Curtain lied about their real figures to the extend that even a few months before the Soviet Union’s collapse, the CIA had a completely wrong impression of the size of their economy, thinking it was multiples larger than it actually was. In reality, communism is a flawed socioeconomic system with many fatal flaws embedded in its design. It can never work because of them. They are basic and fundamental for the economy, flaws like the lack of price-signaling which means terrible capital allocation which always lead to shortages and unnecessary surpluses. In other words everything doesn’t work and the State is always many steps behind reality which then tries to patch up with more interventions which make the situation even worse. It’s communist propaganda that Western sanctions are preventing them to flourish. One would ask why can’t the communists sanction the West in the same way? The answer is: “because they can’t”. Capitalism is the fairer, most wise, natural, democratic and spontaneous economic system there is and always finds a way to make things better for everyone. People confuse the current situation with capitalism. It is not. It is the outcome is Fascism and Socialism. Not capitalism. Capitalism is nowadays expressed by the crypto decentralized community not State interventionism.
Why they didn’t talk about Indians who own Americas lands?) how many was killed?
@@omalashevich Nonsense! I wrote you a more elaborate answer but YT deletes it! I think they will allow me to say that Indians didn’t even have a word for land ownership! They were brutal among themselves and most died from European diseases that had no immunity for.
Stalin made Hitler look like a saint
"What does capitalism do? It concentrates power in a few hands." Yet in both of the major communist regimes, power was *extremely* concentrated, IE the "dictatorship of the proletariat per lenin, and obviously Mao. Another thing I found interesting about this interview at the beginning was the professor studied economics but didn't understand it, and instead drifted towards communism because he wanted a "why". This to me tells me he was looking more for a religious belief on the subject matter than trying to delve into how things work ( milton friedmans books are complicated for sure). I think that is one of the key aspects as to why this ideology is so seductive. And he's not wrong that wealth accumulates in a few hands, but this is true regardless of the system in place. It happens in the US, and it CERTAINLY happened in Stalin's Russia.
Thing about communism,marxism, ... is if you are early and you are part of the 'revolution', an orchestrated one, meaning you are 'an influencer', you get a nice position of power, that's what it is
Pat, you patience and openness to let him speak and commenting constructively was very impressive. 🙏👍
And yet, he cannot overcome his lived experienced... no matter what books or facts he is told he will not change his mind, he drank the USA's cool aid, and he is going for broke on that.
To be sure, not everyone in the world wants to live or vacation in a the USA. For him to say he went to "America" for the freedom etc is a lie, he went to that place because of economic reasons, mainly, well, his parents did, he didn't even have a choice at that age he said his family emigrated to the USA..
It is also incredible to see how Americans believe literally in all they are told about the Russia of now, and the past, without question; most of those things are lies. Unnecessary lies, since we all agree that the USA is in fact a better place than Russia, but that is also a false duality, THERE ARE MORE COUNTRIES THAN THOSE TWO IN THE WORLD, SO VISIT SOME OF THEM AND SEE HOW MUCH VARIETY THERE IS IN POLITICAL SOCIAL ORDERS, it doesn't have to be either one of those two.
Listen to another one of Patrick's videos with an ex-navy seal talking about war crimes... it is here in the recommended videos. Don't tell me the USA is clean... propaganda is rampant in the USA.
The patience to let a mad dog bark.
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 I feel sorry for you
@SaffronChad6969 I'm in intelligence and afraid of nothing. I know all the secrets behind the curtain including the hidden agenda of communism. People are afraid of what they don't know. I know everything so have nothing to fear. You're a commoner who does not know anything about yourself or the world around you. I deal with facts. You deal with common petty emotion. Try your magic on someone who will be tricked by your bombastic buffoonery. ANYONE WHO ATTACKS ME IS A cia mossad blackops disinformation shill
Fascinating conversation . I lived under a dictatorship and let me tell you, there's a big difference between learning about the history of war in books and being in the war. Good talk nonetheless.
Which dictatorship did you live under?
@@SPGHTTFRT Trump's
@@caralho5237 Did they had airstrikes in the U.S during Trump's reign? Damn
@@edilangsultan3522 It was a joke XD
The guy above is a commie
@@edilangsultan3522 There was unrest in the streets :D
Thanks for exposing us to this guy Patrick! I am now a devoted communist! This guy rocks. I wish I had a professor like him.
Its sad that in the USA we have a ton of professors like Asatar Bair. For those of us who's families fled a socialist or communist country, it is not easy to listen to what he says because from experience we know that the things Bair says are not factual. We left our countries and came to the USA because living under a communist country is horrible. Communists offer to work for the poor people, offer equality and so on. Truth is under such governments the poor multiply and equality only happens downward. We all became poorer and them in the government took the country's wealth. Under capitalism we have the opportunity to fight and be as rich or richer as anyone in the government, but not in communism.
This is the real truth.
It is hard to listen to the spins and lies of the wanna be communists who are only about one thing: Power.
You're right
The quote from Elon Musk comes to mind -“I hate when people confuse education with intelligence. You can have a bachelor’s degree and still be an idiot.”
@@pyramidion421 book smart isn’t always more intelligent than people who have lived it and experienced it. Reading about it and experiencing it are two different things unless you have lived both.
@@benzkeez Exactly, the guy being interviewed kept bringing up his PhD or Bachelors or whatever he has trying to seem intelligent, but he preaches communism while never having lived in a communist country. So in my opinion even though he has degrees he is an Idiot.
I love the fact he said he can’t leave because he has a house and kids
Right? He's a "communist" with capitalist practices. What a fraud!!!
Very uncommunistic of him.
Lol yeah how very capitalist of him
he prob has a pot conviction and can't travel to russia
I agree with you. He sounds like a wimp because of this stupid statement.
By the way, HOW DARE HE HAVE A HOUSE and not give his wealth to homeless people!?
The biggest irony about these “hardcore” communism defenders is that they talk from the comfort of the capitalist system. I’ve never seen a communism fan moving to a communist country. Let that sink.
Americans moved to the USSR all the time during the great depression. Sadly they mostly ended up in camps....because the war broke out lmao
Hypocrites!!
Amen!
We HAD free market capitalism, but it NEVER stays that way.
@@fudogwhisperer3590 Exactly, we ended up with crony capitalism, a system that works for the few and big global corporations. Trickle down economics is a load or bullshit, because the wealth doesn’t trickle down it stays at the top.
"no work is shitty"
says the guy who has never worked a day of hard labor in his life
How do you know?
@@burhan8795 you're welcome to move to russia too
Teaching isn’t a job? But sitting on your ass living off your workers is a “ real job “ right ?
Why it’s a capitalist hell hole now, plus why would I move , I don’t want to be a victim of United States foreign policy
@@robertdepesci3418 Ok, Russia is not Communist. It is actually closer to what America is today. Except presidents don't just do 8 years.
"There are plenty of 160 IQ people who are of absolutely no use to themselves or anyone around them." - Jordan Peterson
That would be a self criticism? Dont know about the IQ level
Seems a bit generous, yet harsh at the same time. I don't think it's necessarily applicable here, or at least, only to a degree. There is arguably some value in exploring the ideas he put forward here, if for nothing else than to disprove them. So long as they are serious and made in good faith, critical perspectives are valuable . For one thing, they help strength-test and shore up one's own views and ability to respond to criticism. I'm just pleasantly surprised he wasn't insufferable like most communists I've heard from.
Lmoa, Einstein and hawking was supporter of socialism
JP is a fraud that exploits the insecurities of sexually unfulfilled young men for profit.
This Asatair Bair is one of the many scholars in western education system, which hate the system they live on and have comfortable and safe life, but just like islamic studies professors - they stay away from societys, theocracies and systems they idolize
„Настоящая свобода имеется только там, где уничтожена эксплуатация, где нет угнетения одних людей другими, где нет безработицы и нищенства, где человек не дрожит за то, что завтра может потерять работу, жилище, хлеб.“
- Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин
“True freedom exists only where exploitation is abolished, where there is no oppression of some people by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a person does not tremble that tomorrow he may lose his job, home, bread.”
- Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin
Комрад, лучше пиши на инглише, они ленятся переводить.
This guy is oblivious, I’ll make sure my kids never learn from a guy like this.
Yet there are many more people like him that are teaching the next generation and corrupting their minds. It's a damn shame. This is the exact reason why many parents now are turning to home schooling.
Good luck. That’s just about the status quo for university professors these days…
its like a semi intelligent devils advocate just never stopped playing the part...spiritual, healing, blah blah blah dudes a fkn lot liz
Better not send them to any US university then
Doesn't is scare you that people like this have a voice in our education system?
I honestly think someone from the former Soviet Union/Cuba/China should be having a discussion with this guy. Not that the host is doing a bad job but he's just too polite and kind of beats around the bush a bit. As someone from the former Soviet Union with real communism experience I can easily poke holes in most of the professor's theories. And so can others.
Tbf the Soviet union's situation is far easier to critique Communism for than Cuba and China. Both Communist states inherited a badly bruised and broken nation, and sure as hell were not up to the task of facing it. However, a person alive today who lived under Soviet rule most likely was born when the USSR had already cemented itself politically. A lot of people under the Mao era were born during WWII, or the civil war following it. These swaths of devastation really can't be blamed on the old landlord killer, since they happened pre-rule. Speaking with someone from the USSR would be a better comparison tho.
Man I thought I was trippen I don’t trust that guy his way of thinking is not right especially if you work for our government smdh
Yeah, I know these guys can be pretty slippery, but he letting him squirm out of a couple very serious points is infuriating.
Communism is dumb:
Once I heard that Mulla Nasruddin had become a communist. I know him... I was a little puzzled. This was a miracle! I know his possessiveness. So I asked him, "Mulla, do you know what communism means?"
He said, "I know."
I said, "Do you know that if you have two cars and somebody hasn't a car, you will have to give one car?"
He said, "I am perfectly willing to give."
I said, "If you have two houses and somebody is without a house you will have to give one house?"
He said, "I am perfectly ready, right now."
And I said, "If you have two donkeys you will have to give one donkey to somebody else who has not?"
He said, "There I disagree. I cannot give, I cannot do that!"
But I said, "Why? -- because it is the same logic, the same corollary."
He said, "No, it is not the same -- I have two donkeys, I don't have two cars."
Gonna be honest with you, Soviet Union was by no means communist. If it was then their would not have been a dictator. It is very telling how little people understand about these systems. Like there are clear differences between dictatorships, as opposed to communism, socialism, and capitalism.
Props to both gentlemen here.
Beautiful debate. A lot of respect. A lot of facts from both sides. A genuine exchange of ideas. Agreement no necessary in either side. But mutual respect.
The professor is the kind of character who spend all of his points on charisma.
DnD much? lol
Or spends much of his time sniffing his own ass fumes.
And yet he has none
He's lawful evil. Just like Stalin.
ad hom
Patrick had him at the two minute mark!!! saying “your competitive nature is a capitalistic virtue”
Lol
Yeah he felt it, u seen him tick at that comment lol
@@ianmcdonald3053crazy thing is, being a professor he is making money off of others. Isn’t that being a capitalist??? 🤔🤔🤔
You can be a self proclaimed communist professor in a capitalist society, but it doesn't work the other way around.
@@TheAVConspiracy plenty of capitalists in China
Animal Farm by George Orwell is an animated book that explains clearly how Socialism/totalitarianism/progressive/communist ideas turn bad eventually. It's free in audiobook format on youtube.
Awesome book😎
Look up. Make mine Freedom
not ism 1940
George Orwell was a socialist and also had anti capitalist critiques . Your bias is showing
Short read for anyone that's wants to see what an idea of socialism end up like.
Great comment.
If you didn’t know Animal farm was just a critique of totalitarianism, not socialism.
In fact, George Orwell was democratic socialist.
One of the greatest podcasts I've ever watched, old mate Patrick has some amazing interviews and this one's really telling the good and the bad for either, love it bruh ❤
That guy is insane and a scammer
It’s actually really nice to see a capitalist and communist have a convo without just yelling at each other. We need more of this
Especially if the communist can be ushered out by a private helicopter ride!
Now let's have this same conversation where the capitalist is in the cimmunist country...oh wait, he'd be in jail or suicided
What we really need is fewer communists. But ironically the people who kill the most of them are also communists.
@@iansmith3693Hard to see in America where all the communists were jailed, blacklisted, or driven out of the country. Look at what happened to Charlie Chaplin 😢
@@iansmith3693 🤣 pathetic comment
Ha this guy is a testament to how powerful the brain is.
The brain is SOOO powerful it can ignore and twist all evidence to prove itself right.
You are going to be the hero in the story in your head regardless!
Bingo!
Communists are Cognitive Dissonance incarnate.
The mind is indeed powerful. It's amazing how leaders in the past have been able to rationalize the literal killing and torture of large groups of people.
😮💨
How about arguing against his arguments instead or just whining that he is wrong
I think it’s really cool that these two guys are opposite but still are willing to meet up an debate with no hate or disrespect just disagreement we really need more of that in America thank you both for doing this
Always it pisses me off when I hear Lefty American Professor who is defending communist. I lived 30 years under the communism regimes. I was lucky to escape to USA The more than 100 million deaths that communism caused, divided by countries; :
China: 82 million dead
USSR: more than 21 million dead
North Korea: 4.6 million dead
Vietnam: 3.8 million dead
Cambodia: 2.4 million dead
Afghanistan: 1.5 million dead
Yugoslavia: 1,172,000 dead
Germany: 815,000 dead
Mozambique: 729,000 dead
Ethiopia: 725,000 dead
Romania: 435,000 dead
Czechoslovakia: 262,082 dead
Venezuela: more than 252,000 dead
Poland: more than 235,000 dead
Hungary: 210,000 dead
Angola: 125,000 dead
Colombia: 105,419 dead
Albania: 100,000 dead
Rhodesia / Zimbabwe: more than 50,000 dead
Laos: 45,000 dead
Bulgaria: 31,150 dead
Cuba: 73,000 dead
the debate can easily turn into bread lines and guillotines if we are not careful .
I respect PBD for having this convo but it is blatantly obvious how he glosses over important points and asks questions only from the perspective of US imperialism and capitalist realism. He has no concept of history.
This guy is like an evil Santa . Instead of joy, he creates despair. Instead of giving gifts, he takes all your belongings.
He is truly following the path laid out by evil Santa Karl Marx. Except that marx eventually realized that he was wrong. Notice how communists never want to talk about that.
@JojoTheGeneral they are following the teaching of Gramsci, an Italian communist who promoted a revolutionary approach inside educational institutions to promote communism..more like a brainwashing revolution
Here is the pointing to Stalin’s real surname again the Y and J are the same and in the languages the D and J are shown together the H is an phonetic aspirant. Stalin’s surname, Dzhugashvili….. JUga….JUDA shivili…….Son of a Jew. The Dzh is also how they spell the J, Y sound in Russian. Knowing the H is a phonetic aspirant within this does make the YU the meaning of Jew, showing the G is a high eee sound and identical to the D sound. Given YU is Jew its likely the G is a D making JUDA. In Georgian they have this as Yuga which has no Dzh but the same sound its the Y ultimately. So JU, JEW. JUDA again. And Shvili means Son Of.
YUDAshvili is Son Of JUDA. or JUDAH. Son Of A Jew. The Eastern Europe sources where correct on the meaning of this surname meaning this.
This explains how it just was Stalin spoke perfect Yiddish his whole life. Yiddish is the common language Jews speak in most places next to Hebrew.
Stalin also made anti-Semitism the death penalty in the USSR and was behind the creation of Israel sending the Jewish NKVD down to help along with money and supplies and was also the first world leader to recognize, Israel as the Jewish State in the UN.
In 1931 Soviet Dictator Josef Stalin told the Jewish News Agency in the United States that:
“Under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty!”
This move was also to protect the members of the ruling regime from being exposed as Jews. As this was officially hidden. Doing so was the death penalty.
Stalin spent his career violently liquating all nationalist sentiment from within the Soviet Union. Millions of Ukrainian Nationalist alone went to the death camps of the Gulag to never return along with millions others before firing squads. But then Stalin just turns around and gives the Jews their own Nationalist region within the USSR and later green lighted the creation of Israel.
May 7, 1934, Stalin created the Jewish state of Birobidjan (or Birobidzhan) in Russia. Birobidjan was the first territorial-administrative entity in the world designated for the Jewish people on the basis of their Jewish nationality. It was located on the border of Russia and China.
Some things can’t lie, as Stalin’s strange condition with his arm. Which he told numerous lies his whole life over. Why? Because for Jews in the Eastern regions he was from. His arm was a common genetic defect. Like tay-sachs disease which only effects Jews [which shows their a racial group.] Gymnast Kerri Strug, her father had the same withered arm Stalin had and he was a Russian Jew. This is common to Jews. Stalin also had another birth defect on two interconnected toes on his feet [which he lied to cover up again]which is common to Jews.
Stalin’s place of birth Gori was the home of the largest Georgian Jewish population of the time. With Jewish groups such as the Lezgishvili branch of Jews being one of the largest ones in Georgia. Something to highlight is the surname of Stalin:
Maurice Pinay wrote based off what Eastern Europeans had told him who escaped the Red Terror:
“In the Georgian language “shvili” means son of, or son, as in Johnson. “Djuda” means Jew. therefore Djugashvili means Jewison… Or Joe Jewison.” [1]
With this…
“In the Georgian language “shvili” means son of, or son, as in Johnson. “Djuda” means Jew. therefore Djugashvili means Jewison… Or Joe Jewison.” As will be explained Juda, Iuda is the word for Jew in Georgia. Because this is the Jews word for themselves in all languages.
“Would you rather live in a capitalist country or a communist country?”
“I don’t like this question”.
Why does nt he go to China ??
Do u not see how this question is very, very stupid?
@@godbyoneergo decedo fallacy. You've got a shitty argument.
North Korea
@@ultravistasgIn what regard?...
As a retired USAF Disabled Veteran that was the most amazing interview I have ever heard. I have never remarked on anything before. But comparing Biden to Reagan is a mind blower. Carter President when I entered the Air Force. I made less than I made at a restaurant. When I entered the Air Force. Thank God for President Reagan who who increased our wages significantly. I still don't make much but I do make enough to own a home.
And I have a decent car to drive. Thank you, Patrick, for bringing him on your show. To show how lucky we are to be Americans.
And how lucky you are to be here, too. Suggestion for show a senator or Congressman like Lindsey Graham. Who thinks we should be spending our tax dollars to support Ukraine government. And not taking care of our own Borders and government.
You watched it and literally took nothing in.
@@jamesbuckley972you literally read his comment and discounted everything he appreciated about this conversation. Probably wouldn’t throw stones if I were you.
You are right. Lindsey Graham is a disgrace to the republican party and a traitor. Same with Mitch McConnell. These frauds are the reason Republicans team up against Trump. Because he calls out all the establishment traitors.
@@jamesbuckley972 Wow. You must be a child.
Wonder if the Ukrainian soldiers make more than US soldiers?
I mean, I get the danger, but curious if the US cash is going straight to those overseas peoples.
48:00
"Who's better. Stalin or Bezos?"
"Stalin"
"But he killed millions of people."
"Let's not deflect Patrick"
The balls on this professor.
In all honesty tho Stalin was much better. He didn't really go after good and functional ppl. Mostly people killed by Stalin were criminals, foreign agents, far left activists, rioters, or those plotting against the regime. Sure, like anywhere else there were mistakes because supply of information was much more limited back then. But Stalin didn't target functional members of the society that didn't try to act against the constitutional order. He mostly killed people that didn't follow the law themselves so like it's not like these killings were lawless.
Great deal of ppl that worked with Stalin and privately disagreed with him yet remained loyal and lawful died of old age. Had he been a crazy unhinged dictator no one would have lasted that long. Dude was fairly sane.
@@user-mb3dx5fl9f gv
@@user-mb3dx5fl9f you're insane
@@user-mb3dx5fl9f Stalin literally ordered people to be executed. Unless Jeff Bezos is living a double life one can almost say with 100% confidence Jeff Bezos never ordered the execution of anyone. So no, Bezos isn’t worse than Stalin. Is Bezos a scumbag? Absolutely, but he’s not someone that has no problem ordering the murder of someone like Stalin was
@@cgoins1993 Stalin didn't order constitution obiding Americans to be executed. He ordered to execute people that barely had any obligations under their existing law and didn't follow even those. He didn't break the law or constitution while doing so, and people that he executed never stood for a constitution or universal rights. He ordered to kill bunch of orcs basically that themselves were very open about being orcs. You can't pretend that all people in the world have same rights when these people themselves have very different obligations and values. People killed by Stalin never wanted universal rights and their values were extremely bloodthirsty.
So no Stalin didn't do anything bad there. You cannot rule over a mob basically pretending that they have rights. While they themselves don't respect these same rights and don't want those.
PBD: "Stalin killed millions of people"
This psychotic professor: "Let's not deflect."
This guy's worldview is unbelievable.
I always knew Santa Claus was a commie.
Hes like all socialists, their ideology is based on lies and delusion
If he had lived under the Pol Pot regime, this man's days what have been numbered.
Maybe ask ppl who lived through Stalin’s era.. they will tell u the horror stories
More people would have died from, malnutrition, disease, froze to death, etc if Stalin would have not existed
My college economics professor grew up in the former Soivet Union and hates socialism and communism.
You are lucky, an exception nowadays...
The fact he landed a teaching job says everything about our country.
very scary:
Once I heard that Mulla Nasruddin had become a communist. I know him... I was a little puzzled. This was a miracle! I know his possessiveness. So I asked him, "Mulla, do you know what communism means?"
He said, "I know."
I said, "Do you know that if you have two cars and somebody hasn't a car, you will have to give one car?"
He said, "I am perfectly willing to give."
I said, "If you have two houses and somebody is without a house you will have to give one house?"
He said, "I am perfectly ready, right now."
And I said, "If you have two donkeys you will have to give one donkey to somebody else who has not?"
He said, "There I disagree. I cannot give, I cannot do that!"
But I said, "Why? -- because it is the same logic, the same corollary."
He said, "No, it is not the same -- I have two donkeys, I don't have two cars."
The fact you think this is a negative thing says everything about your country. Your capitalist country is failing pal.
@@jackm1758 put your money where your mouth is and move to China pal
@@mikeygROCNY The same China that had a Communist revolution and built itself into a global superpower in a single lifetime? The same China that is set to surpass the US on all economic and health metrics? That China? Oh so scary!
Patrick is ignorant. He’s never even talked to an Amazon worker. Amazon literally underpays them. And they recently got sued for stealing drivers tips. He makes a very valid point. If capitalism worked there wouldn’t be this many homeless people in America
Huge respect, PBD, for having strong values but still being smart enough to acknowledge with respect that there are others in the world. Very few are like this.
Would you be saying this if he was interviewing a fascist? It’s interesting how it’s acceptable to call yourself a communist which is an equally reprehensible ideology. All forms of structuring society have inequity but capitalism is the one that at least minimizes the amount of suffering.
@@reecegeorgens1755 Actually, yes, I would approve interviewing a fascist. I'm a convinced capitalist, but I disaprove vilifying other models of state. I don't think any ideology is "reprehensible". No value is fundamentally better than another. There is no absolute metrics that can state that capitalism is better than fascism or communism. I know that I prefer to live in a capitalist society, but my personal opinion doesn't make a capitalist society objectively better.
PBD is a treasure. I’m so thankful I found this man and followed him for so many years now and has shaped the way I look at the world.
@@geopoli3735 The goal of the fascist is to smash the labor movement for the capitalist in crisis.
@@kimobrien. That may be a byproduct of what the ideology does, but considered more seriously the goal of fascism is to create a perfect society based on strength and excellence. Its practical application is very painful though, like communism (and some would argue capitalism)
Awesome conversation and what a nice guy I will add. Love this podcast!
Conversations like this can only happen on a Podcast, not screaming at each other on Fox or MSNBC. Two adults showing each other respect, and respect for each position even though they were worlds apart. Great interview.
No, I’m sure PBD can not respect this guy as a man. Was he civil to him...yes, but that’s it. You can’t actually respect some one with such radical views and believes in a death cult like Marxism/Lenninism-Stalinism.
Do don't don't bring foxes in this, at least they bring people on than you can say about CNN where they don't bring anyone have a different opinion
Because the USA has an Authrocyc system with the 2 party system!!!! They are both serving the system! Corporate Fashizum
As much as I would like to agree no communist ever was ever an adult.
People who loves dictators like Mao and Stalin deserves no respect
It’s no secret that great strides can be made when power is concentrated in ambitious hands. It’s also no secret concentrated power corrupts long term.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it."---Lord Acton
he finds sports and capitalism too competitive with people willing to step on the other to win, but is okay with the death toll under Stalin because it was necessary? Wtf
China is a perfect example of this comment. Economy built China up really fast seeing some of the biggest most hi-tech cities in the world. However the government is extremely corrupt violating so many human rights.
@@scottmatlock6169 so fast, that we are now finding out its all bogus..
I love it, right out of the gate admits he grew up in a cult, and there went all the reasoning beyond that
A cult. You have no idea of different followings of Islam
I was thinking the same thing when he was explaining his ultra esoteric liberal sect of an ultra conservative religion as an upbringing.
Boom
That’s a pretty ignorant and lazy way of completely dismissing someone you don’t agree with
I was born in a communist country during the Soviet era. Yes, on the outside it appeared that there was equality and that people were somewhat content. There were some benefits to communism which do not outweigh the negatives. Yes, under Stalin the economy grew, but did we mention that people's land was taken away and taken over by the government for the benefit of "all"? They pretended to give something back to people to compensate for this...pennies compared to what they took. I know because it happened to my family. They took what is now land worth millions from us. Once communism fell apart, we weren't able to get our land back from a corrupt government that was making too much from our resource rich land. Similarly to Patrick, I left with my family and lived in a refugee camp in Germany. We left right after communism fell apart when I was around 6 years old. We lived in poverty for many years and struggled greatly. The way that communism worked is through the seizure of people's generational wealth, which in turn was redistributed to benefit a corrupt government. The same corrupt government officials became oligarchs after robbing their country blind once communism fell apart. All of the sudden the same people who were all for "equality" became capitalists with the people's money.
Sounds like the problem was more the fall of the soviet structure and what happened afterwards than than the soviet system itself.
@@weiserhalunke9168 Private land was taken from the people and redistributed to the state when communism was brought in. The way that communism worked is by taking from the people...their land and labour, and making them all "equal". The only reason why the leaders liked equality is because they were the only ones that could be enriched. When it all came apart, they loved capitalism because they took the people's money and fled to countries where they repurposed it to their benefit through capitalism. The problem was the communist system that made it easy to intimidate people if they rebelled, and take from them what they worked hard to achieve. Communism falling apart just made people realise why government officials wanted it to fail. They finally had the opportunity to take what they could take and enjoy their plunder. Keep your guns and make sure no government, corporation, or whatever system of power in the US is able to do what was done in the Soviet. Yes, no healthcare and corporate greed is a problem, but you definitely don't want the Soviet problem at your doorstep. It was just another method of control and impoverishment of the many.
There are many criticisms of Soviet style socialism, especially after it became revisionist with Krushchev. And I get that you have many grievances for how your family suffered under it, but I commend you to read and learn more about the Soviet leaders’ justifications for their actions, how they expected it to help the people, and how they to some extent did help. Like, yes you might say that collectivizing agriculture was a mistake, as people weren’t ready for it yet, but don’t you think it was instrumental to increase production to defeat the Nazis who damn near conquered the Soviet people? Things have to be seen in historical and material context, but the bottom line is that most communists harshly criticize past socialist experiments (USSR, China, DPRK, Cuba, …), but still believe in Communism’s ability to help the people greatly, and that with taking lessons from the past, we’ll be able to implement a much greater world Communism today ✊🚩
This man is the symbolism of growing old without gaining any wisdom.
That’s ignorant of you to say
@@Albert-xl3nx Its ignorant of him to say communism will lead to a good life while living his entire life in US. THAT is ignorant. He has no compassion and no insight, no knowledge and no wisdom. That is the definition of ignorance.
@@wilhelmnurso5948 Well Said!
@@wilhelmnurso5948 yes it may come off as hypocritical to you but do you think he made any good points?
@@ewitdmt6389 his points are flaw when he has never suffered in poverty like the current communist country.
PBDs patience is unmatched
"He killed millions of people"
"Lets not deflect"
He also helped end the 2ww at huge cost and no I am not defending the things he did.
@@ritahunter1945 It had more to do with the millions of soldiers who sacrificed their lives and the fact that Russia was being invaded by a foreign enemy, but yes I'm glad you're not defending what Stalin did (in the name of communism).
@@Quinston82 what he did was never good but during that one period not jusr him but the Russians did themselves and we should not forget that
Russian people have also suffered for centuries
I could never say communism is good it's destroyed south Africa
@@ritahunter1945 Very true.
@@Quinston82also any of their soldiers who tried to avoid the front line or escape were shot.
0:30
In capitalist countries. People live better then in communist countries. Including the poor and the rich.
This is true of industrialized capitalist countries.
Please also tell me of the nations who are currently the most sanctioned on earth and receive multiple belligerent american attemots at regime change.
Cherry picking, the industrialized nations who happen to have colonial empires or former colonial empires. Countries like Mexico, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Indonesia. All of them, in the majority of their existence, have been capitalist countries, and the millions upon millions of poeple living in shanty towns, do not live better than how people lived on the USSR. They would change their shacks without running water or sanitation for some ugly commie apartment without thinking it But I guess you have never walked in a shanty town in your life.
He seems nice and civil enough, but I can't understand why he believes what he believes and still takes his professor pay without a problem.
He should put his money where his mouth is and immediately redistribute it to the nearest student working a desk job on campus for very little pay.
How can he reconcile his beliefs with knowingly receiving the pay that he receives every pay check?
Most likely reason is he studied hypocrisy and majored in it.
@HushRush In his ideal communistic country, an established professor and a struggling student would enjoy the same level of wealth. So why is he taking the whole of his paycheck and watching others get paid just enough to live on?
If I lived in a world that I believed was completely wrong and I had the money/power to create a sphere of a correct world for myself and those around me, I would do so. (ie. Split my salary with my TAs) That would be proof that I actually believe what I say is best to be best.
@HushRush You'd be breaking the law in your country by performing abortions, whereas he wouldn't be breaking the law by redistributing the difference between his pay and his TAs' pay. There is nothing holding him back from creating a world he believes is better for himself and those around him. If he won't even do it himself with those that work under him for minimal pay, why is he saying he believes it should be so for the country?
Also, if you must live in a cold area and really believe it should be warmer, you should turn up the heat in your household or place of work, and wear thicker clothing which will make you and those around you warmer. Wearing lighter clothing doesn't achieve anything for you or anyone around you, so I'm not sure why that would be the same as redistributing your income to make the world as it should be for yourself and those that work under you.
Exactly! What a hypocrite he is!
You know that Marxism does not preach living like a hermit, right?
The calm and intellectual manner that these two people conducted themselves in this conversation here, is more of what this whole world needs. That being said, I was taken aback by Asatar's support of Joseph Stalin.
Yeah. Im really enjoying these. Pat seems like a nice guy
Not surprising since communists support Stalin and make excuses for him.
So Stalin murdered a few million people. So what? Everybody had a dream job!
More appropriate to use pseudo-intellectual for the prof. He uses flawed logic and has simplistic and inaccurate understanding of how the world works. His teachings radicalize young minds towards communism and entitlement. They graduate and can't even define what a woman is!
The world needs exactly zero communists
Only a person who lived in a privileged society with freedoms their whole life can argue that communist regimes are better for the people.This guy needs to go live in such society before speaking on it never mind teaching our kids this. My family fled such a country and never looked back!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Must have been an awful country for them to flee to Boston and love it.
@@puckloki873 anywhere in the USA is better then a communist country, until you experienced it and get out and travel and see how it really is you’d wouldn’t know
@@aLLsTaR_617 I've traveled to every continent except antarctica. I've also been to Boston. If you've been to Boston then you'd know 😉😉😋😋
You don't realize Russia was a preindustrial society before the revolution
@@puckloki873 These guys miss the point. Placing Stalin and Mao in their respective historical contexts is not endorsing such a system for either Russia or China or any western nation today. I think the point of this, is to say, that no country has ever developed itself without human rights abuses on the way up. In America, the African and indigenous populations bore the brunt of its abuses. In China and USSR, it was criminals and political dissidents. Personally, I'm not going to say one is better or worse, but nobody wants to live in Russia under Stalin anymore than 1840s United States.
Mr Bet David is to commended. In spades. I, for one, have almost never had the opportunity to see an unabashed celebrator of capitalism behave so fairly, decently, and calmly with a ‘hard leftist’, sans all the hysterics to be expected from characters like Stuart Varney or Tom Woods.
One problem, his arguments are from the anti-communist manual of the US State Department. And these guys, in order to achieve a goal, love to transform. For info - I'm Russian with leftist views.
Speaking as someone with family who lived under the soviet unions thumb this man's objectively crazy
Lol your family lived not you 1st , 2nd at that time everyone(people) had very less money (mostly poor) nothing we have today(tech,science) so when comparing please keep that in mind , like in India people were dying of starvation until the green revolution then everyone had enough food to eat(through socialism) same with all other basic amenities
Isn't it great that people like this can have debates about this, while in socialism if you try to critize the system you are taken away by secret police.
Great point
The irony
The US created the Espionage act to imprison communists look up Eugene Debbs. The FBI killed Fred Hampton and infiltrates every communist organization your history is flawed.
@@Ghost-yb5md That's not even close to what happens in socialism, besides Bernie Sanders is quite popular on the left and the last I checked he was driving around in an Audi R8.
Asatar is right about "holodomor". Patrick asks: "have you ever been to Russia?" when Asatar speaks about famine in Ukraine in 1932. I was born in Ukraine and now i'm living in Moscow in Russia. So i tell you that you not need to live in Ukraine or Russia to know that there was a famine every 5-10 years in Russian Empire and you just need to read some statistics. And Ukraine was at that time just one of USSR states - there was no reason to kill people in state that gives you a lot of scientists, food and industrial power. And if you know the history, then you should know that Nikita Khrushev and Leonid Brezhnev were from Ukraine state. So Asatar has the right point of view about things in USSR. The main idea of communism is theory of work alienation. You may have discussion about USSR way or Cuba way, and about mistakes and problems socialistic countries and theirs history, but the main idea of communism is the idea of 99% of living people, that wants to take part in choosing the path of development of society and don't want to be competitors with mexicans, chinese or iranian people. But this idea is opposes to point of view of 1% of rich people in the world who wants to rule people thru the goverments. It is simple and complicated same time.
Patrick, I think you did an awesome job of letting Dr. Bair give his points without interrupting. The question for me is not whether it's more important for someone to pursue their purpose and ambition or pursue the guaranteed safe life to make everybody happy. The question for me is, why does someone get to choose what is best for me?
It’s chosen for you by what the society you live in has chosen - whether democratically or through coercion. Your choice then is to either move or change it.
Re-education camp for you 😮
Has Dr Blair ever lived under communism?
Good question, people are bad at making decisions by themselves for themselves, as a community collectively we can make better decisions.
Shut up, pleeb! You will own nothing, and be happy, or else!
This program goes to show you how fair Patrick is. To give this guy a platform like his is very fair. It also goes to show how Patrick is extremely secure on his point of view. Very different from what we are seeing from everyone else and their “cancel culture” nonsense. Everyone should be able to express their opinions and beliefs without being afraid or intimidated of being canceled. Great Job Patrick 👏👏👏
what views? he's just a bourgeois libdog, regurgitating his owner's propaganda.
He’s the best political interviewer out there. By far. Not even close. He really allows the subject to speak without interruption & without letting his biases shut down the exchange. So valuable.
Theres no such a thing as cancel culture.
UNIVERSALIST?
UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST ??¿
THE "MOONIES" BY CHANCE???¿
DEAR GOD, I HOPE NOT
THEY'RE A CULT AND THIEVES. THEY PREY ON COLLEGE STUDENTS!!?
He should interview a national socialist next.
Thank you for standing up for human rights. Capitalism may not be perfect but it is 1000x better then any other system.
There is no place for socialism, communism or fascism in the 21st century. These ideas need to be forgotten and never practiced in today’s world.
Exactly right, nothing in this world is perfect but capitalism is the closest thing to it compared to any other system.
We should have Regulated Capitalism with Strong social programs .We should have Universal Health Care ,End all our Wars ,Raise the min wage and this would fix many of our problems.
@@brianblair6067 capitalism in America today is heavily regulated, the free market almost doesnt even exist anymore. We have countless entitlement programs and high taxes. Socialism isnt the answer.
@@alfarouqaminufor3892 we don't have capitalism in America for well over 50 years since the 50s we operate like a fascist economy, heavy taxation and regulation thanks to all the socialism injected into the economy our trade deficit proves so
Yes, these ideas need to be tossed into the dust bin of history.
"Most of whom are nazis" Clearly, obviously, everyone I know that doesn't support communism must be a nazi.
I can tell this will be a tough watch, I haven't even started it yet.
Communists don’t argue.. they get emotional and lie. It’s kind of their thing.
It is even tougher once you notice he says the word ‘right’ every milisecond.
@@quigley6643 That what makes it hard for me, when people deliberately lie or pretend they don't know anything about the facts presented against them.
🤣👏🏽 yes
PATRICK!! HAVE NIOME PARK (NORTH KOREAN DEFECTOR ) AND THIS PROFESSOR IN THE SAME INTERVIEW. HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD WATCH????
He doesn’t like sports because it is a meritocracy. The “putting down” he is referring to is the fact one has to lose.
He stated he didn't like the putting down. Not losing. Which Pat agreed with. There's no system where loss is eliminated.
@@pitpride1220 well in theory in socialism no one looses.
Bingo! That's exactly what I thought. It's sports! Smack-talking is part of it. You aren't saving lives here, don't take it so personally.
@@NOTLeavingLV Everybody loses equally except the Castro family
@@NOTLeavingLV lmao that's hilarious
53:16 summarizes the entire interview, the fact that the guy took a whole 5sec to respond "I don't like this type of question" is hilarious!
"I'm not defending Iran." Dude can't even follow what he's saying or being willfully ignorant.
1. He didn't come for money, he came for principles.
2. He wasn't rich.
Narrative destroyed.
💯💯💯 he wouldn’t go he got it good. Full of shite a case do as I say not as I do
This moment was brilliant! LOL ...You wouldn't live in a country that has political ideologies that you claim are so great.
This was an actual conversation between communism and capitalism that makes sense. Props to David to have this convo
Sunlight is the best disinfectant! Thank you Patrick for bringing this individual to light.
Problem is there's no Patrick in the classrooms. Just kids who have no real life experience and the logical fallacy of trusting professors due do their position of authority
I do not know if Patrick will read this message or not, but here we go:
Patrick, analogies, metaphors, and similes are your most potent tools as a communicator. You use them in almost every single argument you make, which makes the conversation more relatable. However, when arguing with individuals like this Professor or Neil DGT, YOU MUST have numbers, data, and historical arguments to support your ideas. That's what the professor is doing to you to refute your arguments. Anyway, those are my two cents 😉😎
I think the professor clearly is the winner in this debate.
@Kevin Nguyen While I disagree with the Professor's views, he was a good debater. It was interesting how he dominated the argument and circled it back to his point of view.
Filthy communists always manipulates data and numbers to twists arguments.
Thank God a genius like yourself is here to teach him.
If you show them the numbers of 120 million people starving to death because the dirty commies thought they could farm their own food after stealing the land from the plebs, then they just ignore it. Or claim ''well that's not real communisms!!!!!!!!''
The most curious thing about this to me is that your guest believes so whole heartedly all of these theories yet has experienced none of the realities. There are places to go and experience the lifestyle he promotes yet he (and his family) chooses to stay in America. Perhaps it is the fear of learning that everything he believes is only good in theory and the reality would be crushing. The most disturbing thing is that he is a college professor and is filling young impressionable minds with self destructive ideology.
Agree 💯
Lol, cry harder. Communism will win.
@@torepedersen3109 if I had a dollar for every tear I've cried for the fear of communism I'd be just as poor as a person living under communism.
@@jacobsnyder552 Nah, it's pretty obvious that the fear of communism makes you cry yourself to sleep every night.
@@jacobsnyder552 communist China abolished absolute poverty and lifted 800 million out of poverty meanwhile capitalist africa and India are in the same shit situation as 70 years ago
I have commented this before but I comment it again. As someone who has difficulty controlling their emotions, I respect PBD’s ability and willingness to listen to and have dialogue with voices across the spectrum. Thank you for doing this.
I have a serious issue controlling my frustrations and anger However there is a cap to how I react poorly in those situations. For instance I'm somebody who throughout the day periodically gets pretty angry at the things that frustrates him out in the world but I never get to a point and which I lash out it people unless they are absolutely horrible individuals who have done something really bad to me So that kind of outburst is something that might happen to me once every 3 to 5 years. Also I never get angry to a point where I would ever harm somebody.
So what's your opinion Do you think that I'm somebody based off what I just said You can't control his emotions or does the fact that I never get past a certain point mean that I do have control over it and some way shape or form?
@@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995 I have given some thought to your question, and I don’t think I have the facilities or enough information to answer it. But let me tell you what I believe and maybe it’ll help you, let me know if you disagree. I am someone who lacks confidence and shy’s away from confrontation, I think I need to get more comfortable talking to people and stop worrying about being judged and that comes from being competent. On the flip side there are people who are constantly looking to confront people and “give them a piece of their mind” I think such people need to step back for a moment and think about what value that brings to the situation. I think emotions are a spectrum and being calm falls somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. Being calm doesn’t mean being weak it means being in control. Examples would be top athletes, surgeons, soldiers etc they are calm and collected while performing their tasks we also know people in the same professions who get emotional mess things up.
I would have no problem with this guest if he was a professor at Moscow University in Russia or one in China. Anyone in America promoting a foreign ideology is a subversive! End of story! Prove me wrong! I love America, I love our founders, our Declaration of Independence and Constitution. This "professor" hates and disrespects all that I believe in and can logically defend, that he refused to respect!
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@@TRY_well said thanks
I have been to the USSR. It was clean and beautiful. Would I have wanted to live there back then? HELL NO! Since you’ve never been you do not have any idea what it was truly like to live under Communism. I don’t care how many books you’ve read. I don’t care how many people you’ve talked to or movies you’ve seen. You have no clue! It was shocking to me to see the complete suffering the everyday person had to live under. Blocks of lines for food and bread. The fear every minute of every day that the KGB would knock down your door because your kid made an off handed comment at school and your door was kicked in and you were beaten and dragged off to a re-education camp. You were lucky if you had heat or hot water! Three to five families had to pool their money to buy a rattletrap car and share it. Gas was so expensive sometime the car would just sit because there wasn’t enough money to put gas in it. Two to 3+ generations living in one small apartment because rent was hard to cover on your own.
These people that I watched were weeping because they were suffering. How can you sit there in your nice, climate friendly house, coming and going as you please, making a good living, eating what you want, sitting in your yard enjoying the evening, watching TV or listening to whatever music or talk radio host you want and tell me you want to live in a “you will own nothing and be happy” country? How would you feel if you, a Communist, Lenin enthusiast, if you were dragged off to a re-education camp to be brainwashed to Capitalism and until you conformed you had to stay at that prison camp? You are free to believe and spout whatever claptrap you choose and no one will arrest you for saying it. In the USSR you could be imprisoned, shot, tortured or starved to death for believing what the govt didn’t agree with.
You have a warped and dangerous belief system but you are allow to believe anything you wish when your country is free.
Keep brainwashing your students. Communism is what schools are teaching our kids especially in college. See, what you don’t understand and never will, it’s wonderful to dream about living under a dictatorship but it crushes the soul. I am 65 and probably don’t have as many years left as I did in my 20’s, 30’s, and 40’s and I do not want to be “ruled”. I can tell you one thing I know for sure, you would not give up everything you have and what you have earned to stand in a bread line with your neighbors!
Wow, well said. 👏
I really enjoyed this debate from both sides. However, I found it difficult to fight the irony of Dr. Bair's views while living and prospering in a country such as America where we are undoubtedly afforded many opportunities the rest of the world is not. Both guys are extremely articulate and educated but when Bet-David asked the professor if he had ever visited Russia and got a "no" in response was very eye opening. Reminds me of David Goggins when we talks about the professor and human performance and Goggins is like: "you think your way because you read it in a book. well I've lived it and I know exactly what the human body is capable."
And yet some of the people in this country don't have those opportunities. Being a communist doesn't mean being poor and destitute.
@@accelerator8929 About opportunities the question becomes "what else _can_ they do?" and "what else _are_ they doing?" I wasted mine but have kept trying to move forward and to some extend I have.
Regarding communism, in it by design you are to accept whatever the state decides... if that's destitution there would not be any "opportunity" change it
I live in a post-soviet nation and i can say without a doubt it was better then then now.
A ton of those opportunities come at the expense of the third world that we exploit. So there's the idea of having empathy for all human life. This ridiculous notion that you can't criticize a society because you live in it is insane and would never lead to anything, which you'd probably like because capitalism has afforded YOU a lot. Not most people on earth, YOU. And you're selfish enough to argue to keep it even when the stats are in your face
@@ponguso1 I was born and live in bogota, colombia, not exactly a first world, imperialist superpower (as you may now) but a not-too-socialist country unlike venezuela from which we now have hordes of immigrants.
Empathy? not for _able-bodied_ people who trade on pity and demand ever increasing amounts of benefits because "they don't have enough" (there's been riots this year for related topics).
Coherent and rational arguments for markets don't stem from selfishness but from the fact that since the 1840s (about the time the manifesto was published) world population has increased about 6.5 times while poverty (in a not-too-socialist, mostly-markets-driven world) has _decreased_ like never before. This alone counters the thesis that capitalism only accumulates wealth in a few hands leaving _everyone else_ poor... after all 170+ years should've been more than enough time for this , and the inevitable revolution such disparities were supposed to bring, to happen
I love how respectful both gentlemen were and how they listened to each other's viewpoints. I respect Patrick a lot for consistently letting his viewers speak and not letting emotions get to him. Bravo!
Who cares. Go at it. Throw punches. I don’t care bout your virtue signaling “respect”. That’s just fake. Stop being fake.
he should get c word
My question to him would be if capitalism forces you to work and communism doesn’t then what if no one wants to work. Wouldn’t everybody just starve or weed themselves out because we would have to revert back to medieval times.
This guy lives in fantasy world. It's like talking to someone who never left the house.
Exactly
Or maybe you're the one living in a fantasy world. All he spoke was facts that you can check. Maybe is your world view that is so different from his that makes that effect! You should me more open minded!
@@diogo6050 lol, I intended brother. I simply think he isn't being realistic to history or reality. I'll have to rematch this because it's been a few months since I seen it but I remember him being very misleading with his "facts". Enlighten me though, what big disagreement with Patrick did he have that you say he's so correct and factual about?
@@JoseGarcia-vi3pu All his historical arguments check out. Unfortunately they didn't go into much deth about today's validity of China government and if he agrees with it, but when we talk about history, he's right. I hope you aren't getting mad or unconfortobable with my comment, that was not my intention.
@@diogo6050 I'm not mad all. I must say this, you have very vague replies. Lets focus on something specific that he and Patrick disagree on and let's get into the subject.
His constant use of saying “Right” drove me nuts… right 😂
Right!
I've noticed that the far Left use... right as a tactic to garner support whether they make a claim that is completely and utterly, demonstrably untrue.
Example:
We are all assigned a gender at birth by the doctor... right?
Usually people who know they're wrong do that subconsciously.
Drove me mad.. But it's also because he's not sure if himself.. Right? Haha
This man just compared Biden to Reagan, Jesus Christ.
My wife is Ukrainian, her Grandma was alive during Holodomor, it was very real. Her Grandpas Dad was sent to the Gulag for sharing seeds with children. 2 of her siblings starved to death
Perpetuated by Ukrainians upon Ukrainians, not Russians.
Forced Utopias always come at a steep cost.
these people will never reason with what you are saying, they think it's a fantasy, a propaganda, and that it was actually equality in communism. So unfortunate that those who did the genocides in the communism never payed for their crimes.
Yet u got idiots that think communism was good like this bearded man
@@BaconSlayer69 like others have said, the fact he doesn’t live in a communist country tells you all you need to know
I like this guys commitment to Marxism and his ability to manifest ol Karl physically. He clearly understands theatre and propaganda. Go all the way!
The more degrees you have the crazier your thinking gets.
You’ve got that right. Even the string theorists and quantum mechanics people are nuts
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals will believe them...”
Like my mom says: where there s a lot of intelligence there s an equal amount of stupidity.
A Rube Goldberg machine of mental gymnastics which makes for not very robust interpretations and theoretical frameworks. It leads to a lot of fairy tale abstract realities. In the case of string theorists and quantum mechanics it leads to spooky action at a distance and simultaneously dead and alive cats and infinite divergent universes where all possibly realities exist. In the case of socialists and Marxists, it makes for a world of postmodernism where nothing is objectively true and only power structures create paradigms and utopian fantasies of everyone being forced to get along and be equal by the state
I think what happens with universities in the same case of Hollywood, is that established and sensible theories and schools of thought become stale to researchers and writers of books.
So they come up with the craziest most edgy novel idea to do a thesis on to stand out from the crowd. This motivation to stand out and do something new creates more and more insane paths for people to pursue.
In Hollywood we see the over representation of degeneracy and things which are not social norms. This media marketing distorts reality and at the same time influences society to mirror the behavior of those people see as cultural influencers
The quck jab at the begining hit hard.
"Your competiitevness is a capitilst trait". His expresion was priclesss!
very true, his face changed real quick after that comment
@@allengahagan4236 who's face?
@@EmVie2024 the commies
So I guess that means sharing with someone is a communist trait. Meaningless jab
It should be "forced sharing"
Good lord - Patrick you have the patience of a super hero super power
Bair said you could politically oppose Stalin in the party. Absolute nonsense, Stalin did'nt tolerate that, in fact he purged or dissappeared any opposition. Like it is now in Russia but worse. This is just common sense and is known. Bair is an apologist and uses "whataboutism".
"The economy grew massively under Stalin" < Yeah, but they were a primarily agrarian society that had been living in a monarchy, under the Tsar. Of course the initial economic growth would be rapid when you're starting at an extremely low level. That doesn't prove communism works economically in the long-term!
I went from a net worth of £5 to £10 in a year. I had a 100% increase in wealth! Aren't I fantastic? You should follow my financial advice.
@yourfavouriteneighbourhoodcommunist I thought communists were anti imperialist. Either way, I'm not sure the millions who died with such a paranoid leader would take comfort in this knowledge. You should be ashamed of wanting Stalin.
@yourfavouriteneighbourhoodcommunist Of course it did. What's your point? Was there a unified Europe at the time? NO. Europe was in the decline as it's colonial power waned. Was China any more than a backwater at the time? NO. Name one other country that had the population, natural resources, and ability to unify their provincial powers to compete with America at that time....Who else but Russia and it's satellites could compete? France? The UK?
@yourfavouriteneighbourhoodcommunist How exactly are you measuring "superpower", btw? What's your exact criteria?
@Marpolino Dritto I'm more addressing his focus on them being a super power.
Answer me this honestly, because I want to hear your side. Why dont communists ever discuss the deaths? None I've spoken to want to address it. They just dodge it.
Great Guest, Great Conversation
48:00 This man is insane , the cost of lives are a "deflection" but also he apparently cares about the lives of poor people.
"We're taught that Stalin is an appalling monster." No lie detected.
Sounds like this guy has a doctrine in bullshizim
It's so sad he can't accept that.
The only lie is in that he says we are taught that. All we are taught in school is non-stop Holocaust programming and how bad Hitler was. Stalin is never mentioned even though his atrocities were far worse.
@@blitzy3244 this.
That's the thing, I don't think Stalin is an appalling monster I think Marxism is an appalling idea and absolutely anyone who was in Stalin's position would have done the same thing simply by following Marxist doctrines. It doesn't matter at all who Stalin was as a person, if he didn't run the purges he would have been purged.
This guy is so well-spoken and educated he could easily persuade the naïve.
The naive never hear the other side
The quote from Elon Musk comes to mind -“I hate when people confuse education with intelligence. You can have a bachelor’s degree and still be an idiot.”
He represents most academics and the children are raised by this ideology. It’s your job as parents to reverse this brainwash.
Like say, 18-year-old, confused and conflicted college students? I recently went back to school and earned my degree at 35 and this guy is not the exception when it comes to the ideas held by a majority of so called "intellectuals". I went to college in central West Virginia and the head of the English department required us to base ALL papers we wrote on the idea of an oppressor and the oppressed. It was a real insidious form of indoctrination, placing Marxist ideas like this without being outright about it. I saw this as a 35-year-old Army veteran with world and life experience... these kids didn't see it, yet the idea stuck. The entire experience was so eye opening as to what really goes on in today's higher learning institutions. People like this joker is why our nation is dying and people don't even know what they're doing.
@@deathhexxxgaming3431 this is the norm now as the universities have been co-opted by the Rockefeller woke, all designed to create a docile working class that's smart enough to run the machines and vote but not smart enough to figure out the scam
Although you could admire theoretical contributions of various historical figures, USSR was a totalitarian state. Can a totalitarian system ever be actually socialist? I doubt it.
This being said, we need to advance our conceptions of these systems. Capitalism is not the answer, however neither is totalitarian socialism.
For the most part (there are always exceptions) there weren’t people defecting from West Germany to East Germany, there aren’t people defecting from South Korea to North Korea, and there aren’t boat loads of people risking their lives to defect from the USA to Cuba. That should tell you all you need to know on the Capitalism vs Communism debate.
USA has sanctions on Cuba and North Korea
@@vladislavbg9307 I’m trying to understand your point? Are you saying those countries aren’t able to thrive because they can’t fully participate in the “free market?”
@@tressietes04 the only people that defect from capitalism to communism in the USA are usually on the FBI most wanted list! I’m a Cuban/American and know the struggles and horrors that the Cuban people have lived through for 62 years. Every country socialism has touched only ends up destroying those countries, period!
@@Darktimes17 Ok! Good to know! Lol
@@tressietes04 Lmao, exactly. North Korea can't even function without China's aid. In the 50's, the Soviet Union was the sole reason they were able to even survive for as long as they did. The fact that they can't survive without trading proves that their system is just an utopian story.
I wonder, if he grew up in Ukraine during Stalin Rule, would he defend his “legacy”🤔
Probably not
Actually their are multiple interviews of people from the Soviet era who say they miss it. Lol
@@websurfer8670 😳😳😳
In every ex communist state there are some loyal communists. Obviously not everyone suffered under communism. Members of the Party received various jobs, housing, cars, etc.
On other hand wealthy people lost their companies, land and houses etc and were denied jobs and these are obviously than anti communist
Stalin's legacy is still a poor desolate country with a standard of living way below any western nation. Think about it. Not a single capitalist country managed to do worse then the top communists of the day.
If you were running a race the communist would be the guy comming in last, bragging about his superior training method.
"There's no inherently bad jobs" said the guy that's never done roofing in the summer!
Clearly he meant jobs that are disdained, not difficult. Like dads telling their sons they will be a garbage man or burger flipper if they don’t go to school. Miners, for example, were very highly regarded. Ask West Virginia miners how highly they are regarded in USA. USA has a long history of labor exploitation-currently using immigrants. Do you deny this?
Especially Roofing in the summer as a REDHEAD!
@@benflanagan7149 Is that you Bill Burr?
@@HistoryCity1 *wink*
@@GopnikVlad do I deny what? You made at least 3 different statements.
I just started this and I'm already worried about Patrick missing on asking the correct questions.
He always gets really close to hitting it but he never lands on target with his questions and it's very frustrating
I had the same feeling, like with killing lot of people by Stalin and Mao was done to save other people´s lives, or with the famine in Ukraine, not true it wasn´t intentional, also about going to live in Russia or Chine - of course it would not be pleasant to live there unless you belong to the "chosen" group of cronies, also about elections there. Omg what naivety. I mean capitalism and imperialism of the WEST gets on my nerves especially or exploiting / murdering all other peoples of the Earth. But to go and defend Stalin or Mao? That´s really insane. What are your examples?
Now, I know I’m a little late to the party, but the communist and capitalist sitting down and having a discussion and ending it by wanting to get dinner. This is good for our country. Thanks for sharing.
Going to get dinner in a restaurant is supporting capitalism. Win win
@Andrew Jackson it'll be a co-op
The commie will get him a government issued potato and a vegetable, and max out his allowance on food + some vodka made from tree bark… PBD will get him a fine ribeye steak, twice baked potatoe with all the fixins, multiple vegetables, and his choice of alcohol.
Good for our country? The communist is lucky he’s living in s capitalist society
@@andrewjackson9948 No, its supporting the socialist system of subsidies and regulation that keeps your food affordable. Im a farmer, and there is nothing capitalist about your food in any western country. Believe me, if it was really free market capitalism, i would be a lot richer, and alot of you would be starving....
23:17 WHILE working, you can do anything you want. Half of your time, working; half, what you want. Not counting sleeping.