@@rickhapstley3866 yes especially the 1858 design is so awesome the octagon barrel with the lever underneath it looks amazing i wish they made hardened reproductions that could use 44magnum but if i lived in the 1800s this wouldve been my choice also you can swap cylinders faster than reloading each chamber like a colt saa
Revolvers are a special case where long or short they tend to be the prettiest guns in every aspect. Though i am particularly quite partial to the lengthier models myself.
I think Artillery Colts look kinda funny, but the rip on the rammer of the New Model and the false one on the 1875 make the big long barrel look SO good. To the point that the cut down 5.5 New Models look weird.
Was just curious on the bullet weight and powder charges of the Remington 46 rimfire cartridges that were used in the various cartridge conversions for their revolvers. COTW says the Remington load was a 227 gr bullet and 20 gr of powder while Winchester loaded a 230 gr bullet and 26 gr of powder.Sep 17, 2023
I am actually surprised you don't know how the loading lever called in cap and ball revolvers :) I thought a cowboy shooting pro as yourself is an all-rounder :) But maybe you're just a fan of SAA’s only
That's what it is. I can tell you then name of every external and internal part on a SAA plus slang names for those parts and how to tune them if necessary but I'm not a cap and ball guy. :)
@@TUCOtheratt thought so! Well, you probably wouldn’t survive before 1873 😃, but at least now I know who to refer to, if I decide to tune up an SAA for fanning 😉😀
"Forgot I had 6" made me immediately think, "“I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself." Thanks TUCO and Clint!
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@TUCOtheratt Tuco the loading thing is a ram rod kinda like the ones on musket made at the time. You would be an asset at our range N-Ssa check the web sight we shoot all period weapons from the CW . Would be a hell of a revolver shooter!
yes pretty awesome i must admit , and his thorough and very efficient explanation of things are 100% western and superb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! `
Smooth as silk. The triple shots were amazing. Tuco you bring The Wild West to life. I'm currently ill. But OK. Your videos bring respite when the pain eases up. You're a remarkable guy. You should be a History Teacher.
The lever is simply called the "loading lever." It's called the 44 Army because at that time, the caliber was determined by bore size BEFORE rifling added.
Something to add to this, for anyone who may be interested in firing a black powder .44 revolver. The .44 is actually a little deceiving as you would actually use a .454 lead ball so that you can get a tight seal. This helps to prevent a chain fire as a .44 lead ball won't make a tight enough seal and will allow burning powder to get into the other cylinder chambers, causing them to fire off as well.
Do you have a spare machined cylinder ? A 6 shot fanning followed by a cylinder swapping to reload then 6 more shots challenge would be so great to watch !
@@TUCOtherattyes sir it would , i wonder if you could make em using a stock cylinder ? bore it out a lil , make the back cap . ? they want almost 3 hundred for the cylinder , 150 would be a sweet price !!!
@@rick31869 You'd have to cut the back off, bore it out, then make the firing pin assembly that is at least 13 parts, precision machined. 300 is a bargain.
@@TUCOtheratt brother i had no idea how much work was involved , thank You for sharing ! .now the million dollar question , besides the 5 or 6 shot type , which would be better , the ones with each chamber having its own firing pin or the ones that have just one ? to me the ones with 6 firing pins would make more since right , if one breaks you still have 5 !
This was literally the perfect video for the situation I was in. I’d been looking to get an old west revolver, but I didn’t want to pay an arm and a leg for the cartridge ones, so I went to black powder. I knew of conversions, but I didn’t know how or where to get it done. Now I know exactly where to get parts and how to convert. Super helpful, love this channel!
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Your videos are f 'n awesome! Thank you for sharing information about the modifications that you have done! I don't care what anyone says, those old school revolvers still look more badass than anything put out today! Cheers
@beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756 I just happened to get one myself today actually and now have found this video...did you modify your like tou said? How did it turn out?
Its because its the only one. Pietta's hammer springs are monsters. My uberti has a much lighter spring. But, if you are going to buy an 1858, buy the pietta. Uberti doesnt blanket the market in parts like pietta. Pietta, all around, is the safer buy. Prices are going up on all of them. Get them while you can.
If you're doing CAS and loading paper conical cartridges Uberti is the better gun because the loading lever doesn't stick down into the loading port like Pietta.
Thank you for a 1858 Rem video. I am about to order a pair from Taylor's with the conversions. Your Pietta advice will be well taken. I am also always in awe of your triple shots. You're so fast I cannot even see which fingers move the hammer.
@TheStraycat74 Howell makes a great 6 shot gated cylinder for the 1858 Remington. I bought one about a year or so back. It swapped right in my Sheriff's model with a little struggle but not to bad. Did the metal work myself with a Harbor Freight foot controlled drill shaft motor device and Dremal sanding drums.
I Always wondered if those percussion guns could be slicked up after watching your videos! Now I just gotta find someone with machine knowledge for my 1860 Army :P
The rod you use to push down the ball and wad I believe is called the "loading lever". What a sweet rig. Makes me want to go out and build something similar. Nothing quite like a beautifully engraved 1851 navy. Maybe an M1911 would be the only gun I would put in the same group as it. Keep living the dream Mr. Ratt!
No, it is called a "ram rod" they may have changed it to a kinder gentler phrase as to not offend anyone, but commonly it has always been called a ram rod. He is just not trying to trigger the YT censor.
@@truthseeking3818 No Ram Rod is the terminology, look up terminology dude, the slang of ramrod is penis. Also a manager or foreman can often be called a ram rod especially if he is known to be stern and unyeilding. 🗣️ I HAVE SPOKEN!!! "
I just put a new bolt / trigger spring on my 1851 pietta Navy revolver! I was thinking about other modifications I can do and then this video came out! Perfect timing.
Other than a Dragoon, all my BP revolvers are Pietta. The other brand conversion cylinder is Howell and they make the cylinders for many models of Pietta and Uberti. I'm running a stainless 45 Colt and 45 ACP set in a 5.5" barrel Pietta 1858. Contrast is nice and helps identify the cylinder. The only issue is that in 45 ACP they only make them in a 5 shot which may or may not screw with the rotation and lock up of the 6 shot gun. Mine have been ok. You may have to hand fit some parts.
After a lot of testing I got rid of all my 6 shot cylinders regardless of make and whether gated or not. I use the 5 round Kirst and 5 round Howell's/Taylors and also have gated conversions I did. I do not have an 1858 race, but after watching this video hmmm. Anyway you mentioned your preference for Pietta, but I'd really be interested in whether or not you've had an 1858 Uberti in your hand for comparison or not? my first thought after seeing your skills with the clunky Pietta was "wow I wonder how much better he'd be with an Uberti in hand" I know they look almost like the same gun visually, but they are very different guns in frame, grip, size, feel, function etc. I agree that my newer model Pietta's have much better finishes etc. but when it comes to the 58 you gotta compare them if you haven't...the lands and grooves are taller/deeper in the Uberti for lead bullet shooting as well whilst Pietta has very shallow grooves like modern guns. I usually prefer my 58 NMA Pietta's, but if I were going for speed it would definitely be a Uberti I'd choose.
I haven't handled a Uberti Remington but have Taylor Uberti SAA and Uberti Richard Mason conversion and both had multiple problems. Uberti notches on SAAs are all cut shallow and at less than 10 degrees like a 1st generation colt, that's not a good thing.
@@TUCOtheratt Best way to describe the difference between the two is that the Uberti feels more like a SAA. You can sight down the frame on the Uberti with the hammer down, the trigger is different because of the distance from grip, the frame is forged because they use the same frame for the factory cartridge conversions, Place them butt down on a table and one points downward or "straight" while the other points up...the Uberti action just feels like a Colt to me too, but you'd likely need to time it to suit. It also has a really nice barrel crown. I just think it's a better choice for speed shooting all the way around because of the balance, feel in hand and feel of manipulation of the action. I don't know that I'd choose it over my Pietta's for any other reason than speed though. I really think you should compare one side by side to your Pietta since you actually have the skills to know for certain if it would be a better choice.
I bought one of these when i was 17 through mail order from cabelas 😂 i love the thing and was my carry piece until i was legal enough to buy a auto loader
I bought a 1851 Navy from Taylor's. Didn't know about the conversion cylinders until after. Unfortunately i bought a brass frame so it's not recommended.
Make sure that you check your state and local laws before getting a conversion cylinder for a cap and ball revolver. I have a Howells conversion cylinder for a Uberti Colt Walker, and a Taylors conversion for a Pieta 1858 Remington. The Taylor's cylinder is manufactured by R&D Gun Shop. The quality, fit and finish on both the Howell and R&D cylinders are very good. The paper that came with the Howell cylinder comes with a notice that states: "When you convert a replica percussion revolver to use metallic cartridges, you have 'manufactured a firearm'. When using a gated conversion unit, the permanent modification of the revolvers frame will change the legal status of the percussion revolver to that of a firearm and all Federal Regulation shall apply. This conversion cylinder is classified as a "part" by ATF. No FFL is required to purchase or ship this product." In my state, percussion revolvers are considered a non-firearm. However, once I had the conversion cylinders, the guns were now considered firearms and had to be placed on the pistol permit. To avoid being trapped off, I purchased the revolvers first and placed them on my permit prior to ordering and receiving the conversion cylinders. The R&D paperwork that shipped with the cylinder from Taylors only gave the notice of " This conversion cylinder is classified as a "part" by the ATF, no FFL is required to purchase this product."
great vid....im on my second pietta gw 11 and of course it has bolt problems right out of the box like the first one i bought a year ago, cylinder will rotate counter clock wise about 1/4 inch or so on all but one grove, have put some 45 lc through it but will be takeing it apart to fix it up....more of a ruger fan though......
Love your videos. I shoot all types of guns but my favorites are single action revolvers and lever action rifles. Some guns are just tools and others are so much more than that. I even shoot a few different SxS shotguns in 12 and 20ga for skeet and I shortened them to 18¼" and installed a large brass bead. You mentioned the hammer spur being shorter and lower. One thing I like about my 1860 Army cap and ball revolvers, my 1860 Richard Mason cartridge conversion and my 1872 Colt replicas is the higher hammer spur. The 1860 and 1872 have much higher spurs than the 1873 does and I find it easier to cock at speed. I'm nowhere near as fast as you are, but I'm working on it! Also, in another of your videos you mentioned a Pietta Alchemista model 1873 and said it had a larger grip. That model was named after the engineer who designed it and he installed the 1860 Army grip in place of the Navy sized grip normally found on the 1873. I have very large hands and find it much more comfortable so I can fit 3 fingers on the grip instead of just two like I can fit on a regular 1873 grip. I had a donor 1860 Army revolver imported by CVA back in the 80's made by Armin San Marco and I can't get parts for it anymore. So I modified the grip frame and installed it on a 5" Pietta 1851 .44. It now fits me well and is my favorite C&B revolver.
I love it. I was wondering how you got by the cap and ball delay in ignition. In addition to being functional, it looks great. You could make a simple ejection jig with 6 rods, wood, aluminum or brass to quickly eject all 6 cartridges.
This man has a full sized reproduction 1880s saloon on his private range. 💸 My wife had better not complain about the cost of a box of .327 Fed Mag to me ever again. 😂
Thanks TUCO, awesome as always buddy! I’m curious about when gunsmiths started modifying guns to make fanning possible, and if it was actually done in the 1800’s, or did movies start that idea? Have you ever tried to hit three separate targets with a triple shot, or would that be possible? If it can be done, I would put my money on you to do it! Thanks again brother, and my best wishes to you and your family. ✌️🇺🇸
I own and shoot several Remington revolvers in each model .... mine usually make a loud noise and then smoke billows out and if I aim it right , hit what I aim at .... Why , what does yours do ?
Man, the 1858 is such a badass looking gun! It really feels like the bad guy gun. I guess it’s just because we’re so used to seeing SAAs. Have you ever thought about going full black powder cap and ball? I know you’d probably run into a fair few complications for fanning and race performance, but I think it’d be a really interesting tuning challenge working with caps, powder loads etc… I’ve also always wondered about building a race tuned Schofield. I know it’d be a challenge fanning the hammer smoothly considering how the Schofield’s break action works, a 1st model American would be more logical as a race gun. Any thoughts?
I'd love to do more variety of revolvers. Cap and ball probably will never work because of hammer spring power can not be lightened much, but cylinder conversions can definitely work. I'd love to buy a Schofield, but they are so expensive.
The lever is called a"Loading Lever". The percussion revolvers came into existence during the muzzle loading era and were caliber-designated (as were all muzzle loaders), by bore diameter, NOT groove diameter. The bore diameter on a ".44 Army" is 0.440", while the rifling groove diameter on the ".44 Army" is around 0.452" , give or take a few thousands. All American "45 caliber" handgun metallic cartridges from around 1868 to present, were developed around the barrel rifling / bore dimensions of the ".44 Army" percussion revolvers. One of the first metallic cartridges for use in cartridge conversions of the ".44 Army" percussion revolvers was the "44 Colt Cartridge" around 1871. The "44 Colt" is almost identical to the 44 Special cartridge, except the rim is much smaller than the 44 Special rim. The 44 Colt used a heel-type bullet with a 0.430" heel that would slide inside the case, while the external bullet diameter ran around 0.455" just under the 0.457" external case diameter at the mouth. The larger diameter of the bullet outside the case ensured the bullet engaged the 0.452"+ rifling groove diameter of the "44 Army" barrel.
I have XL hands. My previous experience with an Uberti 1875 in .45 Colt had mixed results. The factory trigger was excellent right out of the box and accuracy was on par with my 3rd gen Colt SAA. Unfortunately the shorter grip frame resulted in a nasty knuckle rapping effect thst made shooting a real chore. The curse of big hands.
@@TUCOtheratt It is, but the grip frame's length on the Remington and the location of the trigger guard have always been a problem for me. I have never rapped a knuckle on a Colt or replica of any kind. That Uberti Remington shot great though. Of course the 1860 Army grip is the most comfortable six gun grip ever in my opinion, the follow up shots one handed are definitely slower.
Great video, thanks. Can you put factory (Winchester, etc..) rounds through something like this, or will the frame come apart? Also, any progress with Armscor? Are we writing them off at this point?
I made mistake of buying the brass frame Pietta 1858, thinking that I would never entertain idea of a Taylor conversion cylinder, I was Wrong. Great video.
The Rem had many innovations over the Colt but (in its original cap and ball form) you didn't have to load just five. The c&p cylinder had notches between chambers that the hammer could be lowered into making it safe in case of a drop but still advanced properly when cocked. The conversion doesn't have those so a drop on the hammer can fire the chamber that is inline. Always smart to load those with 5 unless you are at the range actively shooting as you show in the video. I REALLY do want a conversion cylinder for mine though! Great Vid!
At the time that the originals were made, they measured the bore minus the depth of the groves. I'm not sure if this is true with the reproduction revolvers. But I do know that the originals also had gained twist rifling, and the reproductions don't. A lot of originals were converted to the 44 colt cartridge (not the same as the 44 wcf) and was a heeled based bullet like a 22 lr.
I put a Taylor's conversion cylinder in my Armi San Paulo 1858. It uses the Uberti cylinder and I really like it. However, the Armi San Paulo has a strange grip angle. It's butt forward giving it a strange feel. The grip itself is also much thinner and I replaced the grip panels with thicker unfinished grips to try to rectify the strange grip. It helped a little. If the Pietta goes on sale I might pick one of those up.
A long nosed revolver has a silhouette like nothing else
Especially the 1858, it's a beautiful gun
@@rickhapstley3866 yes especially the 1858 design is so awesome the octagon barrel with the lever underneath it looks amazing i wish they made hardened reproductions that could use 44magnum but if i lived in the 1800s this wouldve been my choice also you can swap cylinders faster than reloading each chamber like a colt saa
Revolvers are a special case where long or short they tend to be the prettiest guns in every aspect. Though i am particularly quite partial to the lengthier models myself.
I like the 1850 Sheriff's 5.5 too, and yes, I love the Ace, type what you might but nobody on earth will say to my face that the Ace is stupid
I think Artillery Colts look kinda funny, but the rip on the rammer of the New Model and the false one on the 1875 make the big long barrel look SO good. To the point that the cut down 5.5 New Models look weird.
I enjoyed the heck out of this you are a great dude loved it
That's a beautiful piece tuco
Thank you very much!
Was just curious on the bullet weight and powder charges of the Remington 46 rimfire cartridges that were used in the various cartridge conversions for their revolvers. COTW says the Remington load was a 227 gr bullet and 20 gr of powder while Winchester loaded a 230 gr bullet and 26 gr of powder.Sep 17, 2023
That's beyond my area of interest.
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take the loading lever bullet press off. leave the lever on it will make dropping that cylinder in and out better
I am actually surprised you don't know how the loading lever called in cap and ball revolvers :) I thought a cowboy shooting pro as yourself is an all-rounder :)
But maybe you're just a fan of SAA’s only
That's what it is. I can tell you then name of every external and internal part on a SAA plus slang names for those parts and how to tune them if necessary but I'm not a cap and ball guy. :)
@@TUCOtheratt thought so! Well, you probably wouldn’t survive before 1873 😃, but at least now I know who to refer to, if I decide to tune up an SAA for fanning 😉😀
"Forgot I had 6" made me immediately think, "“I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself." Thanks TUCO and Clint!
Ha Ha!
soon as i read that i got a big grin from ear to ear😁👍👍
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@TUCOtheratt Tuco the loading thing is a ram rod kinda like the ones on musket made at the time. You would be an asset at our range N-Ssa check the web sight we shoot all period weapons from the CW . Would be a hell of a revolver shooter!
This has to be the coolest YT channel I've ever come across
Wow! Thanks!😃
The Guy is that "Real Deal" kick ass channel 😎
Agreed. Awesome channel awesome dude awesome guns. 💪💪👍👍
Yeah, it's an awesome channel
yes pretty awesome i must admit , and his thorough and very efficient explanation of things are 100% western and superb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! `
Smooth as silk.
The triple shots were amazing.
Tuco you bring The Wild West to life.
I'm currently ill. But OK.
Your videos bring respite when the pain eases up.
You're a remarkable guy.
You should be a History Teacher.
Thanks for the nice comment. Get well soon, brother!😊
@@TUCOtheratt i agree with him , you're 5 star ,top notched !!!😃
The lever is simply called the "loading lever."
It's called the 44 Army because at that time, the caliber was determined by bore size BEFORE rifling added.
wow thanks , i always wondered !!!
Something to add to this, for anyone who may be interested in firing a black powder .44 revolver. The .44 is actually a little deceiving as you would actually use a .454 lead ball so that you can get a tight seal. This helps to prevent a chain fire as a .44 lead ball won't make a tight enough seal and will allow burning powder to get into the other cylinder chambers, causing them to fire off as well.
Yeah I hollered loading lever at the screen a couple times. I’m keepin my 1847 and 1860 bp. Like the difference between a long bow and modern crossbow
Also called the "sail"
@@muleepete8 I can see that now that you say it, I like that.
Some unconstitutional states think BP is a regulatable firearm, but no pro-2A people would consider those states worth living in.
Some states treat pepper spray and stun guns like firearms. smh
Surprisingly, california has really lenient black powder laws
Man be living my dream life.
The most Epic Gun channel I’ve come across since Hicock 45
I love 1858 Remingtons aswell the old Navy 51.
Do you have a spare machined cylinder ? A 6 shot fanning followed by a cylinder swapping to reload then 6 more shots challenge would be so great to watch !
I don't have a spare, but I have been thinking the same thing.
@@TUCOtheratt Light'em up TUCO !
@@TUCOtherattyes sir it would , i wonder if you could make em using a stock cylinder ? bore it out a lil , make the back cap . ? they want almost 3 hundred for the cylinder , 150 would be a sweet price !!!
@@rick31869 You'd have to cut the back off, bore it out, then make the firing pin assembly that is at least 13 parts, precision machined. 300 is a bargain.
@@TUCOtheratt brother i had no idea how much work was involved , thank You for sharing ! .now the million dollar question , besides the 5 or 6 shot type , which would be better , the ones with each chamber having its own firing pin or the ones that have just one ? to me the ones with 6 firing pins would make more since right , if one breaks you still have 5 !
Love the 1858 Remington. I don't know what it is but I love the look of an octagon barrel over a round one. Also very nice triples!
Thanks! I love octagonal barrels, too.
A matching levergun with the same barrel would be a hoot!
This was literally the perfect video for the situation I was in. I’d been looking to get an old west revolver, but I didn’t want to pay an arm and a leg for the cartridge ones, so I went to black powder. I knew of conversions, but I didn’t know how or where to get it done. Now I know exactly where to get parts and how to convert. Super helpful, love this channel!
Total price for this is very close to a Pietta GW2.
Three hundred for the 1858, and another three for the conversion. Well worth it in my opinion
Yes, that IS the coolest 1858 Remington on the planet...
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That Remington looks great, I wish we could own hand guns here in Canada.
Yes I know I’m here in Quebec now
Why not just get some? You have rights to protect yourself. You don’t need permission from an evil government.
@@greysuit17Canadian law....
@WALTERBROADDUS when laws deny liberty, they aren't laws. They are oppression.
@@WALTERBROADDUSmm hmm? And? It’s a new bad law by a communist treasonous deceiver(s). You morally have the right to disagree with an evil corrupt government. They aren’t looking out for you. You are responsible to you and the Lord.
Your videos are f 'n awesome! Thank you for sharing information about the modifications that you have done! I don't care what anyone says, those old school revolvers still look more badass than anything put out today! Cheers
Agreed. The 1851 navy has always been my favorite pistols
Agreed, the old style Revolvers are things of beauty.
@@jeffreyyucel9373My favourite is the 1861 Colt Army, fluted design is perfect
@beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756 I just happened to get one myself today actually and now have found this video...did you modify your like tou said? How did it turn out?
Its because its the only one. Pietta's hammer springs are monsters. My uberti has a much lighter spring. But, if you are going to buy an 1858, buy the pietta. Uberti doesnt blanket the market in parts like pietta. Pietta, all around, is the safer buy. Prices are going up on all of them. Get them while you can.
If you're doing CAS and loading paper conical cartridges Uberti is the better gun because the loading lever doesn't stick down into the loading port like Pietta.
Love the Pale Rider vibes.
I sure do enjoy a gun with a purpose and it being fit for that purpose. Whether that be hunting, triple shots, fanning, racing, or whatever.
You have a very nice collection.
@@TUCOtheratt Thanks also.
I ordered one of those from cabelas years ago when they were around $100 …tons of fun
Thank you for a 1858 Rem video. I am about to order a pair from Taylor's with the conversions. Your Pietta advice will be well taken. I am also always in awe of your triple shots. You're so fast I cannot even see which fingers move the hammer.
You are welcome! Thanks for the nice comments 😃
Kirst Konvertor with a loading gate is a great option too.
@YouHeardItOnTheX kurst only has 5 shot, which is why I got the Taylor's for mine
@TheStraycat74
Howell makes a great 6 shot gated cylinder for the 1858 Remington.
I bought one about a year or so back. It swapped right in my Sheriff's model with a little struggle but not to bad.
Did the metal work myself with a Harbor Freight foot controlled drill shaft motor device and Dremal sanding drums.
I Always wondered if those percussion guns could be slicked up after watching your videos! Now I just gotta find someone with machine knowledge for my 1860 Army :P
you are amazing as aIways❤
This is my favorite western-era handgun, hands down. Something about the look and size of a New Model Army is just right for me lol
Howell's Conversation are top notch, Krist is awesome too, Pietta is better than the rest. They just are, peroid.
If you use a flex hone on the chambers and follow it up with a swab and som jewlers rouge the spent shells will come out easier.
I need to do that
The mechanical intricacies and the skill of your shooting AND modifications are absolutely spellbinding. This channel is such a great follow.
Thanks for the nice comments 😃
WOW!!! that is such a cool conversion gun. thanks for uploading and hope to see more of this cool piece soon
The part you forgot the name of is the loading lever. I’m trying to scrape up the cash to buy a revolver to convert to a race gun
The rod you use to push down the ball and wad I believe is called the "loading lever". What a sweet rig. Makes me want to go out and build something similar. Nothing quite like a beautifully engraved 1851 navy. Maybe an M1911 would be the only gun I would put in the same group as it.
Keep living the dream Mr. Ratt!
Thanks for that nice comment!😃
No, it is called a "ram rod" they may have changed it to a kinder gentler phrase as to not offend anyone, but commonly it has always been called a ram rod. He is just not trying to trigger the YT censor.
Yes indeed
@@spy-v-spy1848 You're talking slang, I am providing actual terminology. Thanks
@@truthseeking3818 No Ram Rod is the terminology, look up terminology dude, the slang of ramrod is penis.
Also a manager or foreman can often be called a ram rod especially if he is known to be stern and unyeilding.
🗣️ I HAVE SPOKEN!!! "
I just put a new bolt / trigger spring on my 1851 pietta Navy revolver! I was thinking about other modifications I can do and then this video came out! Perfect timing.
You should do the triple shot with every gun of the era
I'd love to. Just costs money Ha Ha! Got my eye on some other conversions. Tried on a Uberti Mason Richards but it was a lost cause.
@@TUCOtheratt i feel ya
Would honing/polishing the cylinders ease the removal of the expended cartridges?
That's cool now all you need is belt setup from one of my favorite movies Pale Rider.
Ramrod 😁👍
AWESOME 💯👌
Other than a Dragoon, all my BP revolvers are Pietta. The other brand conversion cylinder is Howell and they make the cylinders for many models of Pietta and Uberti. I'm running a stainless 45 Colt and 45 ACP set in a 5.5" barrel Pietta 1858. Contrast is nice and helps identify the cylinder. The only issue is that in 45 ACP they only make them in a 5 shot which may or may not screw with the rotation and lock up of the 6 shot gun. Mine have been ok. You may have to hand fit some parts.
Can't wait to get my hands on an 1858 Remington. Thanks Preacher!!
I love this sh!t!😊😊😊
Another good video ,
Buy 2 cylinder conversions reloads even faster
Remember Pale Rider .
Wonder if it can be done with a CVS, Connecticut Valley Arms .44. Thanks for sharing.
Not sure.
@@TUCOtheratt Thanks anyways. Great video by the way.
After a lot of testing I got rid of all my 6 shot cylinders regardless of make and whether gated or not. I use the 5 round Kirst and 5 round Howell's/Taylors and also have gated conversions I did. I do not have an 1858 race, but after watching this video hmmm. Anyway you mentioned your preference for Pietta, but I'd really be interested in whether or not you've had an 1858 Uberti in your hand for comparison or not? my first thought after seeing your skills with the clunky Pietta was "wow I wonder how much better he'd be with an Uberti in hand" I know they look almost like the same gun visually, but they are very different guns in frame, grip, size, feel, function etc. I agree that my newer model Pietta's have much better finishes etc. but when it comes to the 58 you gotta compare them if you haven't...the lands and grooves are taller/deeper in the Uberti for lead bullet shooting as well whilst Pietta has very shallow grooves like modern guns. I usually prefer my 58 NMA Pietta's, but if I were going for speed it would definitely be a Uberti I'd choose.
I haven't handled a Uberti Remington but have Taylor Uberti SAA and Uberti Richard Mason conversion and both had multiple problems. Uberti notches on SAAs are all cut shallow and at less than 10 degrees like a 1st generation colt, that's not a good thing.
@@TUCOtheratt Best way to describe the difference between the two is that the Uberti feels more like a SAA. You can sight down the frame on the Uberti with the hammer down, the trigger is different because of the distance from grip, the frame is forged because they use the same frame for the factory cartridge conversions, Place them butt down on a table and one points downward or "straight" while the other points up...the Uberti action just feels like a Colt to me too, but you'd likely need to time it to suit. It also has a really nice barrel crown. I just think it's a better choice for speed shooting all the way around because of the balance, feel in hand and feel of manipulation of the action. I don't know that I'd choose it over my Pietta's for any other reason than speed though. I really think you should compare one side by side to your Pietta since you actually have the skills to know for certain if it would be a better choice.
I bought one of these when i was 17 through mail order from cabelas 😂 i love the thing and was my carry piece until i was legal enough to buy a auto loader
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I bought a 1851 Navy from Taylor's. Didn't know about the conversion cylinders until after. Unfortunately i bought a brass frame so it's not recommended.
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I love how your videos are very educational and so cool at the same time
I know modern Ruger Single Actions are more SAA inspired. But are those prone to damage when fanned as well?
Yes. You can gently fan a Ruger but if you pick up the speed it tears them up.
Is it possible to make the ruger single actions reliable for fanning or at least faster shooting without damaging them ?
@@scottharmeling5439 Yes. I have never done one. The "Last Draw Ranch" channel shoots race Rugers and Cisko does as well
It is wise to check the timing on a new cylinder, just a quality check.
Make sure that you check your state and local laws before getting a conversion cylinder for a cap and ball revolver. I have a Howells conversion cylinder for a Uberti Colt Walker, and a Taylors conversion for a Pieta 1858 Remington. The Taylor's cylinder is manufactured by R&D Gun Shop. The quality, fit and finish on both the Howell and R&D cylinders are very good. The paper that came with the Howell cylinder comes with a notice that states: "When you convert a replica percussion revolver to use metallic cartridges, you have 'manufactured a firearm'. When using a gated conversion unit, the permanent modification of the revolvers frame will change the legal status of the percussion revolver to that of a firearm and all Federal Regulation shall apply. This conversion cylinder is classified as a "part" by ATF. No FFL is required to purchase or ship this product." In my state, percussion revolvers are considered a non-firearm. However, once I had the conversion cylinders, the guns were now considered firearms and had to be placed on the pistol permit. To avoid being trapped off, I purchased the revolvers first and placed them on my permit prior to ordering and receiving the conversion cylinders. The R&D paperwork that shipped with the cylinder from Taylors only gave the notice of " This conversion cylinder is classified as a "part" by the ATF, no FFL is required to purchase this product."
Yes, that's a good idea to be aware. State laws very. I don't have to do anything here.
Somtimes I like the 6 pin cylinders better than gated , for sure if you have a Pale Ryder set
Would be cool if you made a Colt Walker race gun
Such a beautiful gun
what A Classic Sexy Firearms there
great vid....im on my second pietta gw 11 and of course it has bolt problems right out of the box like the first one i bought a year ago, cylinder will rotate counter clock wise about 1/4 inch or so on all but one grove, have put some 45 lc through it but will be takeing it apart to fix it up....more of a ruger fan though......
That's bad. Sounds like a hand problem to me.
When you ask the question “Should I do a triple shot?” The answer is always “Yes”
Do any of these modifications make the gun less durable?
Love your videos. I shoot all types of guns but my favorites are single action revolvers and lever action rifles. Some guns are just tools and others are so much more than that. I even shoot a few different SxS shotguns in 12 and 20ga for skeet and I shortened them to 18¼" and installed a large brass bead.
You mentioned the hammer spur being shorter and lower. One thing I like about my 1860 Army cap and ball revolvers, my 1860 Richard Mason cartridge conversion and my 1872 Colt replicas is the higher hammer spur. The 1860 and 1872 have much higher spurs than the 1873 does and I find it easier to cock at speed. I'm nowhere near as fast as you are, but I'm working on it!
Also, in another of your videos you mentioned a Pietta Alchemista model 1873 and said it had a larger grip. That model was named after the engineer who designed it and he installed the 1860 Army grip in place of the Navy sized grip normally found on the 1873. I have very large hands and find it much more comfortable so I can fit 3 fingers on the grip instead of just two like I can fit on a regular 1873 grip. I had a donor 1860 Army revolver imported by CVA back in the 80's made by Armin San Marco and I can't get parts for it anymore. So I modified the grip frame and installed it on a 5" Pietta 1851 .44. It now fits me well and is my favorite C&B revolver.
That's interesting. I can see you are addicted like me! :)
What is your opinion on modern revolvers like the ruger gp100
Like everyone else, Remington 1858 is a Beautiful gun!
I love it. I was wondering how you got by the cap and ball delay in ignition. In addition to being functional, it looks great.
You could make a simple ejection jig with 6 rods, wood, aluminum or brass to quickly eject all 6 cartridges.
This man has a full sized reproduction 1880s saloon on his private range. 💸
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Ha Ha!
Reminds me of that Colt 1860 Army revolver.
Nice going the way of pre 1873, I've been practicing with an 1861 Colt replica; your dedication to the sport is admirable.
Thanks TUCO, awesome as always buddy! I’m curious about when gunsmiths started modifying guns to make fanning possible, and if it was actually done in the 1800’s, or did movies start that idea? Have you ever tried to hit three separate targets with a triple shot, or would that be possible? If it can be done, I would put my money on you to do it! Thanks again brother, and my best wishes to you and your family. ✌️🇺🇸
Thanks for the nice comments 😃 I know fannable guns existed as far back as the early 1960s. Bob Munden perfected it.
can you make a colt 1860 army race gun
Probably one with a well-made conversion cylinder.
Just curious why not the Cimarron 1858 Angel Eyes 45LC,its made by uberti also ?
I haven't broke down a Uberti yet that didn't have several issues
I own and shoot several Remington revolvers in each model .... mine usually make a loud noise and then smoke billows out and if I aim it right , hit what I aim at .... Why , what does yours do ?
Mine shoots WAY faster than yours! 😃 Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the share ….. very nice yeah nice indeed !
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Man, the 1858 is such a badass looking gun! It really feels like the bad guy gun. I guess it’s just because we’re so used to seeing SAAs.
Have you ever thought about going full black powder cap and ball?
I know you’d probably run into a fair few complications for fanning and race performance, but I think it’d be a really interesting tuning challenge working with caps, powder loads etc…
I’ve also always wondered about building a race tuned Schofield. I know it’d be a challenge fanning the hammer smoothly considering how the Schofield’s break action works, a 1st model American would be more logical as a race gun.
Any thoughts?
I'd love to do more variety of revolvers. Cap and ball probably will never work because of hammer spring power can not be lightened much, but cylinder conversions can definitely work. I'd love to buy a Schofield, but they are so expensive.
@@TUCOtheratt I feel that on the Schofield. I’ve been wanting to buy one for years, but I’d be dropping a full paycheck at least.
Bullet rammer thing 😆😂 classic 👌
❤ amazing piece I love old revolvers
The lever is called a"Loading Lever". The percussion revolvers came into existence during the muzzle loading era and were caliber-designated (as were all muzzle loaders), by bore diameter, NOT groove diameter. The bore diameter on a ".44 Army" is 0.440", while the rifling groove diameter on the ".44 Army" is around 0.452" , give or take a few thousands. All American "45 caliber" handgun metallic cartridges from around 1868 to present, were developed around the barrel rifling / bore dimensions of the ".44 Army" percussion revolvers.
One of the first metallic cartridges for use in cartridge conversions of the ".44 Army" percussion revolvers was the "44 Colt Cartridge" around 1871. The "44 Colt" is almost identical to the 44 Special cartridge, except the rim is much smaller than the 44 Special rim. The 44 Colt used a heel-type bullet with a 0.430" heel that would slide inside the case, while the external bullet diameter ran around 0.455" just under the 0.457" external case diameter at the mouth. The larger diameter of the bullet outside the case ensured the bullet engaged the 0.452"+ rifling groove diameter of the "44 Army" barrel.
I learn something new everytime I watch you're videos
The thing on bottom is called a ram rod lever
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Love the old school revolvers something about the shape the long barrel its a sleek design
I remember I tried doing triple shots with a regular 1860 army because I didn't know what race guns were. My hands have never forgiven me
Nice revolver!
That is called a plunger. Great video.
Great looking blaster!
I have XL hands. My previous experience with an Uberti 1875 in .45 Colt had mixed results. The factory trigger was excellent right out of the box and accuracy was on par with my 3rd gen Colt SAA. Unfortunately the shorter grip frame resulted in a nasty knuckle rapping effect thst made shooting a real chore. The curse of big hands.
The grip is quite small on a SAA.
@@TUCOtheratt It is, but the grip frame's length on the Remington and the location of the trigger guard have always been a problem for me. I have never rapped a knuckle on a Colt or replica of any kind. That Uberti Remington shot great though. Of course the 1860 Army grip is the most comfortable six gun grip ever in my opinion, the follow up shots one handed are definitely slower.
Great video, thanks. Can you put factory (Winchester, etc..) rounds through something like this, or will the frame come apart? Also, any progress with Armscor? Are we writing them off at this point?
I made mistake of buying the brass frame Pietta 1858, thinking that I would never entertain idea of a Taylor conversion cylinder, I was Wrong. Great video.
Outstanding!
this is the most baddest, cool and beautiful gun
You can buy a black powder gun in Cali with no FFL still.
Not sure
The Rem had many innovations over the Colt but (in its original cap and ball form) you didn't have to load just five. The c&p cylinder had notches between chambers that the hammer could be lowered into making it safe in case of a drop but still advanced properly when cocked. The conversion doesn't have those so a drop on the hammer can fire the chamber that is inline. Always smart to load those with 5 unless you are at the range actively shooting as you show in the video. I REALLY do want a conversion cylinder for mine though! Great Vid!
At the time that the originals were made, they measured the bore minus the depth of the groves.
I'm not sure if this is true with the reproduction revolvers.
But I do know that the originals also had gained twist rifling, and the reproductions don't.
A lot of originals were converted to the 44 colt cartridge (not the same as the 44 wcf) and was a heeled based bullet like a 22 lr.
I like it.
I put a Taylor's conversion cylinder in my Armi San Paulo 1858. It uses the Uberti cylinder and I really like it. However, the Armi San Paulo has a strange grip angle. It's butt forward giving it a strange feel. The grip itself is also much thinner and I replaced the grip panels with thicker unfinished grips to try to rectify the strange grip. It helped a little. If the Pietta goes on sale I might pick one of those up.
Still way better than black powder reloads. I had an Uberti very close to that model. Very fun to shoot. Not very fun to reload...or clean.
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I have already. Go check it out! 😃
@@TUCOtheratt Fantastic.
I got a 1858 rem how can I convert it to a race gun? Do I need to go to a gun smith?
Yes
The old cap and ball Remingtons are my favorite wild west six shooters. I think they get overlooked in favor of the Colts.
Would be cooler with a krist conversion cylinder
why?
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it