Here’s the thing , if you won’t follow this ban why follow any of them ? It’s a slippery slope. People need to be less butt hurt for money lost , these aren’t investments they are play pieces.
At this point, splitting casual and CEDH into separate formats might be the solution. RC wanted to balance for casual, irrespective of CEDH and we're seeing the reprecussions of a rash decision. 3/4 of the cards have been around for those three years since the last banning and they chose now of all times, after these cards got chase level reprints which the community took as a sign that these cards weren't going anywhere.
@@troybone6849I never considered a deck with any of these cards casual decks. We got 1 guy in our pod that plays them, rarely is gamebreaking and he just gets focused first if he gets them
@@troybone6849mana crypt...not a problem. Dockside yes. Nadu...barely but was fun to kill. Jeweled lotus made for edh. Only ban really needed was dockside...as a needed ban if anything
Its all comes down to the fact they recently reprinted all these cards pushed sets with them as the chase then banned them. Its a punch right in the gut. Its about players losing hundreds or thousands of dollars. Cards must hold value in order to keep the game and market balanced.
More so on wizards since they been in talks about bans for a year so they knew some things to push hard to sell more chase mythic. And most people I have talked to don't mind it one bit because rule zero.
If the people in charge won’t even listen to you why would you possibly want to be part of a group where the community will yell at you for decisions you weren’t part of making? At this point I’m more surprised by the CAG members willing to stay on.
By that logic, no cards should be banned ever because bans lose people money, and sets the precedence that cards over a certain value are immune to being banned, regardless of what they do to the format. Following with that logic, it would be easy to manipulate the market to raise the price of cards to push them in to the range of 'too expensive to ban'. JLK is just being a salty bitch because he didn't get his way.
I am selling all my cards and going full proxy from now on. I returned to buy cards because of Commander, and now I don't trust my collection will keep its value, so I prefer to not collect real cards.
@@dragon-id5uj it not about an investment, it was a store value that you could do one of your most cherished hobbies with, comparable to like car enthusiasts , who know they wont ever get all the money they spend back but at least the cars and parts they buy will maintain some value. jeweled lotus will basically go to zero.
@@dragon-id5uj It's not an investment. But it's a collectible card game. If the cards did not have value, them why would boosters cost the absurd amount they do? Why would the cards have rarity? This only makes sense for a collectible card game where cards hold value. What I don't want is building a deck on an eternal format, paying high for cards that I want to play with, and then a group of people banning some of my cards and making the value I paid for them lost. I paid for my Jeweled Lotus, and I want to use it, simple as that. If I decide not to use it anymore, I expect to sell it for some small loss over what I paid. I only began buying cards again because Commander was an eternal format. Now that this is not true anymore, I have no interest in having magic cards. I don't like paying for cards that suddenly becomes useless.
@@dragon-id5uj ROFL if you're gonna give investment advice you shouldn't pump bubble markets onto unsuspecting suckers months before a recession LOL. When the yield curve uninverts the SPY is gonna get spanked hard!
Banning JL and MC was an over reach and massively destructive. Now that everyone’s up in arms about it and angry they refuse to walk it back because they don’t want to look dumb. They over played their hand and the crack backs real on this one.
Thanks man. This has been a great video. There has been sooooooo many toxic people justifying this ridiculous ban and you seriously articulated our frustrations PERFECTLY. Thank you 😔
They literally said "if we told more people, it would have been impossible to defend them against claims of insider trading" which is what the RC cared more about. They knew this decision, one that was objectively better for the format, was going to be inseparable from the financial backlash of it.
No different than Wizards stepping in and banning cards. Wizards bans cards to force a change they want to see in a format or multiple formats, and that hits people in the wallet. Noone talks about or gives a crap about the money lost to banning every other time it happened, except this time when the Pay-to-Win players got their power pieces taken away. Boo hoo. Learn to play with different cards and built different decks.
A person needs to have more money in other more reliable places before they take risks investing in Magic cards and this situation is an example of why.
Can't agree more on this video. When the RC kept on saying how they didn't care about financial value, how the value of cards did not affect their decision and all the money involved, they kept sol ring unbanned for the silly reason saying it is a staple, they do deserve to take all the hits, blames, criticisms for their shameless act, now they just lock their social accounts and escape, like those woke activists do when they are criticized in the backlash of gamers in video game industry, what are them really? Simply losers who say don't hit, don't offence when they fucked with people's wallets.
The reason why they lock their accounts is not because of the criticisms. It is because they are constantly getting doxing attempts and death threats. I don't care what they banned, they do not deserve to get death threats.
They withheld the information to avoid financial implications of insider trading. if they had have told the CAG, and that information got out, and they still banned the cards but the CAG or their friends were able to sell their banned cards prior to the ban, the shitstorm would have been even fucking bigger in the community. The ban was necessary but could have been staggered over time, but either way there was going to be people bitching in the community.
The RC that coluded, and greenlit this need to step down. This is a major issue, and i wouldnt be shocked if more happens down the line here. Tbh this just tells me. Hey. Sell your shit off, and get out before something else is taken away. Like my mood is shot so bad in wanting to play anymore tbh. Had a tourny weds. Didnt go.
Ive honestly never thought to build a cube until now. I've got enough cards and power houses that might get banned. May as well do what I want with them right can't ban my own cube.
Honestly this community tears origin to blame is in the Rule Committee deciding not follow their standard operating procedure with the ban not consulting with the CAG as they have always been doing. This shows exactly why RC intentionally not consulting with the CAG won’t blame if some people see their action for this time ban as biased.
When it comes to people investing in MTG, half of the problem is WotC. You can invest in Pokémon through the special printings, and you can still build a deck for a decent price. WotC has turned the cards themselves into under printed chase cards. That is a fundamental flaw in trying to make it simultaneously be a collection/investment option and a functioning game. If WotC would give the expensive cards alternate arts that have the collection value and print the regular ones down to the $20-$50 range, I’d be all for people using it as a possible emergency fund. As for the bans themselves, I’ve seen the cards, minus Nadu, blow up casual games. I’ve also seen it get progressively worse over time as power creep has been taking over. So while I understand and agree with the bans, I strongly disagree with how the RC went about it. I also know that WotC isn’t your friend, they’ll print a card 6 months before it gets banned if they know people will get excited and buy product.
Bans happen in all games, just because expensive cards were banned doesnt mean people should be receiving death threats and feeling unsafe at magic events because of how people are talking over the internet, theres nothing wrong with being upset and criticising wotc and the bans, but when it gets to the point of threatening people, at that point its gone too far.
banning Jewelled Lotus sends a message to Wizards of the coast "hey, don't mess with our format please, we don't want cards like this", my only regret or wish if you will, is that they didn't ban all the planeswalker commanders in the process, just ban all of them, because they say "this can be your commander" on them. that is something Wizards invented to sell cards, not something Sheldon and the RC ever wanted into the format. But they didn't do that! such a missed opportunity. FYI. I own every single card that is banned here except for Nadu. I get why they are banned, but I disagree strongly, with banning all at once.
Hasbro is at war with the whales dude that's why that's why they didn't give a heads up. Like you're not probably not realizing like massive amount of concentrated collections like just concentrated on just few companies. So they wanted to tell some, but not others. For their own nefarious purposes.
No, they didn't ask for an opinion, they just said "this is what we are doing" and he got 1 days heads up. The whole point of the Advisory panel is to Advise. They weren't asked for any input.
@Nick-ff4is the rc stated they did not give anyone advanced notice of what was being banned. CAG members stated they were informed of what was being banned 2 days before it happened. Plenty of time to offload cards.
@SharpsBox they also knew WotC was printing these cards and that they planned to ban these cards. Saying they caused the magic community to lose over a $100,000,000 is being nice when in all actuality they helped WotC earn billions instead of warning the players and player base they claim to care about that they were looking at banning these cards. Can you trust a rules committee that scams billions from the player base. That informed the CAG 2 days ahead of the ban with full knowledge of what they were doing and refused to listen to CAG and even one of their members not to do this.
Investing in cards is no different than investing into the stock market, you take a risk that it could potentially plummet and you lose money I don’t think that’s necessarily victim blaming but I do agree with everything said
I'm disgusted by you saying anyone deserve death threats for anything. The fact that you think that's okay is vile. She probably resigned because people like you were harassing her.
Here's my opinion, which I have spelt out on numerous channels - and it deviates from what the narrative out there is. I'm casual. An ACTUAL casual. I go and play once a week. Every time I go in, even if I am playing against the very same people, they have wracked up double, if not triple, the amount of hours I can put into the game between weeks. I also don't want to 'download a list' - I want to build my own stuff. Here is the FACT at ground level: I CANNOT keep up with the 'experts' who happen to play casual. ***All the experts DON'T use Mana Crypt,** and they still (Legally) ramp insanely. My proxies of Mana Crypt (because of price) are there to try and help me bridge the gap. They say make Commander better? More fun? Ummmm... NO. They have reinforced the Alphas in the room. They've legally ramped beyond my ability to handle as it was.... At times I'm having a real hard time being able to play a card, and not have it wiped out with all the additional mana they can spend to control the entire table, because they are that far ahead in their game plans. And its not necessarily because of missing land drops. And NATURALLY, they loath proxies, and absolutely 'live and die by the rules committee.' So now I have even less resources? Well its funny... I cancelled all the preorders (several Nightmare bundles, various Foundation products) and instead bought a Mana Crypt and a Jewelled Lotus from a Rage Quitter that wanted MTG out of his life ASAP in beyond what was a fire sale (Frankly I think he'd have felt better literally setting fire to his cards). After that I spent about a quarter of what I'd have planned on giving Amazon. Money well saved. I also have a list now of people I'll never play again - they'll decline to play because of 'banned cards' BUT I'll just as easily decline because 'I can't even get close to match your ramp, so why even bother?' - The Fracture is real. Now all I'll play are ZERO games - I'm stopping buying bulk product, I'll just pick off cheap one-off's and proxy anything expensive from here on. Yes, I got a real Mana Crypt and a Jewelled Lotus, because I always wanted a real one, but they are also a reminder to never spend any further excessive money on WOTC product or any other cards. Thing is, I know people will rather play me WITH the banned cards (in my sorts of experimental decks) than play against 'legal decks' that ensure their obliteration every single game, by the same boring as F way, week after week. From there the Alpha's are going to bitch to the store owners about proxies and banned cards being played (omitting the fact that a large number of people don't want to play against them) and all Hell is going to break loose.
Those are just shitty people who don’t know how to or don’t want to balance a table. It sucks that they frequent your LGS but they are everywhere. That’s not on the RC, it’s not on the LGS, it’s not on WotC. I personally would have stopped playing with them much sooner because no Commander is better than bad Commander.
@@jolteon345 Of course those people are everywhere - every store has an Alpha Group, who slaughter everyone else using fast mana, and from what I have seen (and asked of other stores I haven't been to) they've all evolved out of Mana Crypt and Jewelled Lotus like in my LGS - the bans only made their easy games even easier against those trying to catch up, and continues the trend of being damn impossible to try and create your own things. So you're wrong: RC and WOTC sure have had an influence - on the completely wrong people to those they were targeting. Their justifications to me are pure B.S. I'll always understand creature bans, but to make it sound like this fixes fast-mana is abhorrently ridiculous and insulting. The explanations are a red rag before my eyes. You want to fix fast-mana in 'casual' Commander (outside of cEDH)? To make it slower? Its EASY and its the ONLY way. Its also what will NEVER happen: Literally ban all rocks, creatures, artifacts, lands and anything else that allows more than one single mana increase per turn from the format. Since that won't happen, the only way is to get enough mana to compete against their ramp, so their influence is less. Ripping up those resources is inherently a failure of not understanding who gets more adversely effected - its a barrier against casuals (much like the scarcity/price of the two cards), and that's inherently a barrier against new people.
@@harbingerofchaos6720 You’re still seeing red over it all. The rules can’t fix the ones you call alphas. However, the cards that got banned have become more of an issue in actual casual games as the format has sped up and commanders have gotten more powerful, possibly having ward baked in. That’s what the RC means about the bans being for the casual side. Let’s be real, if the “alphas” were actually playing casually, they’d care as much about the social environment as winning. They’d recognize that their decks were far too strong and either play something more appropriate or leave the table. If they wanted people to play up to their level, they’d either let someone borrow a deck or help build people up. Those are the real alphas.
@@jolteon345 I AM BEING REAL. What you said is idealistic. Its also fictional. Insane ramp is the problem - but to just use that sentence like everyone is, completely misses the detail within it. To the extremely skilled their Insane ramp is completely untouched by the bans, because they don't use those (now) banned cards. The rules can't stop Alphas at this point (or ever again), but they sure as Hell can stop anyone else trying to challenge them - which they just did. I originally typed 'can stop anyone else trying to challenge them AS THEY LEARN' but I deleted those last few words. No learning. Just one-sided games. They don't play cEDH - they play Casual Commander, only seemingly not that casual in the continually obvious slaughter time and again (on auto pilot with sets of machine decks). Its so obvious, and so obviously oblivious to most, we have 3 completely different levels within Commander - and people won't go to the competitive ranks, when they can stick in casual 2nds and feel good against the 3rd tier. The 3rd tier is where everyone starts, or where some people are always going to be, because their entire life isn't tied into just the card game. The 3rd tier is hard... Wins are few and far between. Its a massive hurdle to people trying to start - and there is no other way to start now, just Commander. Now the guys 'punching down' get the added feel good of 'you can't play that (insert mana helping card)' to people, when its turn 5, the unskilled player they just said that to might have finally got back on track after missing a land drop, and the person saying that has 7 Mana and a Gaia's Cradle on the table. THERE IS SOMETHING INCREDIBLY WRONG HERE. I repeat, this is supposed to be casual. A Mana Crypt or Jeweled Lotus is no Game-Destroyer to a 3rd tier user, but just maybe, they might be allowed to do something for once to upset the apple cart. Wouldn't that be nice (for once)? Now, its obvious the money consideration means its less likely the casual has a Crypt or Lotus, but its not like beginners haven't pulled insane cards before. By all means, reprint the F out of those cards - or at least allow them to proxy and use them. Oh, and as for WARD.. Don't get me started on that... That's even more a reason to have more mana-help available to inexperienced players. Frankly, if you choose to put a card in your Command Zone as Commander that has Ward, it should be negated by having made that Commander election, because it already has all the other advantages of being Commander. Once again, its no sweat for the guys that really are experts with ramping mana (and should be playing somewhere else) but it can put a game to a complete stop for a 3rd tier player. One thing we can agree on though... People are absolutely going to get tossed from tables going forward - so lets hope its the experts, as opposed to the third tier, who are less likely to ever come back.
@@harbingerofchaos6720 You’ve just described pub stompers. They aren’t “alphas”, just dicks looking to win and only playing to win. They also would get destroyed by people actually playing cEDH, likely also being destroyed by a good chunk of high power casual. I understand your frustration but seriously just screw them, they are INTENTIONALLY building to pub stomp, and games with them aren’t casual in anything but name. Sometimes a LGS will have a group of them, sometimes it’s just one guy, unlucky casual players will go to a LGS where it’s unintentional pubstomping due to the power of the LGS as a whole. Again the real alphas also put in reflection, which leads to either balancing themselves to the table or helping build others up. They are the people who try to build a thriving community, the people who recognize the social aspect of the format. Don’t let the pub stompers ruin your view of the format. They won’t let you learn because they don’t want you to.
Bro, ur talkin out ur behind. Jlk is well know to be against bans in general, he was against golos, iona, and paradox engine, him being against this isnt some "see they lnew it was the wrong ban" it was a tuesday
We need tierlists not banlists. Everything banned in commander becomes S tier. Casual is B tier. Rank every card by tier for commander. Do the same for vintage. C tier vintage becomes pauper with all commons. The pauper banlist becomes B tier with all the uncommons/weaker rares. A tier is the good cards. S tier is all the crazy shit and limited cards in vintage. If you do the same with modern and pioneer you will open up multiple tiered power levels and provide a useful home for nearly every card. Tierlists are the way, the problem is the people organizing the formats arent smart enough to make beautifil solutions.
Not a viable solution technically. We don't need hundreds or thousands of people looking at a list at a spotlight series (GP) & wondering where their cards rank. Not a good idea. Elder dragon highlander doesn't need to be separate from commander. When you play at a commander fest, there is 0 separation from casual to cEDH, therefore there should be 0 separation at all. Power levels don't exist outside of tournaments. Technically they don't even exist. It's only a way to describe budget decks from decks that run high power cards. I tell you what though, I can wipe out a few of y'all with fynn or tajic the blade Legion. Y'all in mtg that only play commander casually, need to play a real tournament to see there is 0 thing as "power levels". If your not first, you're last. Play to win...not just play to play. That's not striving to succeed.
you do realize some cardboard rectangles are worth more than a house? you do realize some people buy and sell these carboard rectangles to pay their bills, and some of them have in fact dreamed of being able to do that since they got into these games? ... you do realize the thing you use to pay YOUR bills is nothing more than a plastic rectangle?
Here’s the thing , if you won’t follow this ban why follow any of them ? It’s a slippery slope. People need to be less butt hurt for money lost , these aren’t investments they are play pieces.
At this point, splitting casual and CEDH into separate formats might be the solution. RC wanted to balance for casual, irrespective of CEDH and we're seeing the reprecussions of a rash decision. 3/4 of the cards have been around for those three years since the last banning and they chose now of all times, after these cards got chase level reprints which the community took as a sign that these cards weren't going anywhere.
Sadly, there's too many people that play both EDH and CEDH that they'd just stick to normal EDH and CEDH would end up dying from what I've seen
Best take so far. And youtube has been pushin all kinds of small channels on this topic last 3 days.
My playgroups like to play high power and have all agreed to just continue to play these cards. Why should randoms tell us how we play magic.
Thanks for the cards, we will take it from here!!!
This, we are doing the same. We play casual and love those cards
@@rfccw949 true but these cards in casual are cancer.. just play cedh lol
@@troybone6849I never considered a deck with any of these cards casual decks. We got 1 guy in our pod that plays them, rarely is gamebreaking and he just gets focused first if he gets them
@@troybone6849mana crypt...not a problem. Dockside yes. Nadu...barely but was fun to kill. Jeweled lotus made for edh. Only ban really needed was dockside...as a needed ban if anything
Its all comes down to the fact they recently reprinted all these cards pushed sets with them as the chase then banned them. Its a punch right in the gut. Its about players losing hundreds or thousands of dollars. Cards must hold value in order to keep the game and market balanced.
Someone tell Brian, the professor, that. He apparently likes his game pieces cheap....wake up professor
More so on wizards since they been in talks about bans for a year so they knew some things to push hard to sell more chase mythic. And most people I have talked to don't mind it one bit because rule zero.
Can't blame the CAG resignations, they weren't even told a day ahead of the ban nor were they consulted about it hearing from JLK
Rachel Weeks and JLK confirmed that they got informed on the Saturday before the ban
If the people in charge won’t even listen to you why would you possibly want to be part of a group where the community will yell at you for decisions you weren’t part of making?
At this point I’m more surprised by the CAG members willing to stay on.
Jlk said it best. If there is a button that when pressed, made 350,000 people lose $300 each, and you pressed it, you are a jerk
By that logic, no cards should be banned ever because bans lose people money, and sets the precedence that cards over a certain value are immune to being banned, regardless of what they do to the format. Following with that logic, it would be easy to manipulate the market to raise the price of cards to push them in to the range of 'too expensive to ban'. JLK is just being a salty bitch because he didn't get his way.
Unjustice, vote with your wallet people
I am selling all my cards and going full proxy from now on. I returned to buy cards because of Commander, and now I don't trust my collection will keep its value, so I prefer to not collect real cards.
You want value I recommend an ETF. Called the S&P500.
@@dragon-id5uj it not about an investment, it was a store value that you could do one of your most cherished hobbies with, comparable to like car enthusiasts , who know they wont ever get all the money they spend back but at least the cars and parts they buy will maintain some value. jeweled lotus will basically go to zero.
me too
@@dragon-id5uj It's not an investment. But it's a collectible card game.
If the cards did not have value, them why would boosters cost the absurd amount they do?
Why would the cards have rarity?
This only makes sense for a collectible card game where cards hold value.
What I don't want is building a deck on an eternal format, paying high for cards that I want to play with, and then a group of people banning some of my cards and making the value I paid for them lost. I paid for my Jeweled Lotus, and I want to use it, simple as that. If I decide not to use it anymore, I expect to sell it for some small loss over what I paid.
I only began buying cards again because Commander was an eternal format. Now that this is not true anymore, I have no interest in having magic cards. I don't like paying for cards that suddenly becomes useless.
@@dragon-id5uj ROFL if you're gonna give investment advice you shouldn't pump bubble markets onto unsuspecting suckers months before a recession LOL. When the yield curve uninverts the SPY is gonna get spanked hard!
Banning JL and MC was an over reach and massively destructive. Now that everyone’s up in arms about it and angry they refuse to walk it back because they don’t want to look dumb. They over played their hand and the crack backs real on this one.
I mean if I had an argument against any of this I'd be making it here. I just don't.
Thanks man. This has been a great video. There has been sooooooo many toxic people justifying this ridiculous ban and you seriously articulated our frustrations PERFECTLY. Thank you 😔
110% Correct Rant. The real question is who is going to be the 3rd to quit?
JLK and game knights brought a lot of eyes to commander. Him leaving the advisory group is a sad deal.
see... MTG needed to tip off the "V.I.P. players", so they could sell their expensive cards before they got banned.
They literally said "if we told more people, it would have been impossible to defend them against claims of insider trading" which is what the RC cared more about. They knew this decision, one that was objectively better for the format, was going to be inseparable from the financial backlash of it.
Fully agree, the rc didn't like how people play commander and try enforce a chance and by doing that they put their hands on people's wallets
No different than Wizards stepping in and banning cards. Wizards bans cards to force a change they want to see in a format or multiple formats, and that hits people in the wallet. Noone talks about or gives a crap about the money lost to banning every other time it happened, except this time when the Pay-to-Win players got their power pieces taken away. Boo hoo. Learn to play with different cards and built different decks.
So it's he just waffling for 21 minutes or does he get to the reasons for the resignations at some point?
A person needs to have more money in other more reliable places before they take risks investing in Magic cards and this situation is an example of why.
Can't agree more on this video. When the RC kept on saying how they didn't care about financial value, how the value of cards did not affect their decision and all the money involved, they kept sol ring unbanned for the silly reason saying it is a staple, they do deserve to take all the hits, blames, criticisms for their shameless act, now they just lock their social accounts and escape, like those woke activists do when they are criticized in the backlash of gamers in video game industry, what are them really? Simply losers who say don't hit, don't offence when they fucked with people's wallets.
The reason why they lock their accounts is not because of the criticisms. It is because they are constantly getting doxing attempts and death threats. I don't care what they banned, they do not deserve to get death threats.
They withheld the information to avoid financial implications of insider trading. if they had have told the CAG, and that information got out, and they still banned the cards but the CAG or their friends were able to sell their banned cards prior to the ban, the shitstorm would have been even fucking bigger in the community. The ban was necessary but could have been staggered over time, but either way there was going to be people bitching in the community.
The RC that coluded, and greenlit this need to step down. This is a major issue, and i wouldnt be shocked if more happens down the line here. Tbh this just tells me. Hey. Sell your shit off, and get out before something else is taken away. Like my mood is shot so bad in wanting to play anymore tbh. Had a tourny weds. Didnt go.
Ive honestly never thought to build a cube until now. I've got enough cards and power houses that might get banned. May as well do what I want with them right can't ban my own cube.
Honestly this community tears origin to blame is in the Rule Committee deciding not follow their standard operating procedure with the ban not consulting with the CAG as they have always been doing. This shows exactly why RC intentionally not consulting with the CAG won’t blame if some people see their action for this time ban as biased.
good take
When it comes to people investing in MTG, half of the problem is WotC. You can invest in Pokémon through the special printings, and you can still build a deck for a decent price. WotC has turned the cards themselves into under printed chase cards. That is a fundamental flaw in trying to make it simultaneously be a collection/investment option and a functioning game. If WotC would give the expensive cards alternate arts that have the collection value and print the regular ones down to the $20-$50 range, I’d be all for people using it as a possible emergency fund.
As for the bans themselves, I’ve seen the cards, minus Nadu, blow up casual games. I’ve also seen it get progressively worse over time as power creep has been taking over. So while I understand and agree with the bans, I strongly disagree with how the RC went about it. I also know that WotC isn’t your friend, they’ll print a card 6 months before it gets banned if they know people will get excited and buy product.
Bans should never take value into consideration
Bans happen in all games, just because expensive cards were banned doesnt mean people should be receiving death threats and feeling unsafe at magic events because of how people are talking over the internet, theres nothing wrong with being upset and criticising wotc and the bans, but when it gets to the point of threatening people, at that point its gone too far.
banning Jewelled Lotus sends a message to Wizards of the coast "hey, don't mess with our format please, we don't want cards like this", my only regret or wish if you will, is that they didn't ban all the planeswalker commanders in the process, just ban all of them, because they say "this can be your commander" on them. that is something Wizards invented to sell cards, not something Sheldon and the RC ever wanted into the format. But they didn't do that! such a missed opportunity. FYI. I own every single card that is banned here except for Nadu. I get why they are banned, but I disagree strongly, with banning all at once.
Agreed with the planeswalkers as commanders...wasn't supposed to happen...ever.
No one deserves threats and violence
CAG>WOTC>RM(clown car)
Hasbro is at war with the whales dude that's why that's why they didn't give a heads up. Like you're not probably not realizing like massive amount of concentrated collections like just concentrated on just few companies. So they wanted to tell some, but not others. For their own nefarious purposes.
17:26 wait force of will didn’t fail due to no secondary market
Aye yo breaking news the RC is over
She/her, lmfao
Again, WOTC Should face a class action lawsuit.
braindead take lmao
Lawsuit for what!?
@@darkmagicianfan3423, being bitches.
The cag aren’t on the rc what who thought they were
JLK video states that they were informed on the Saturday before the ban. Would that be considered advanced noticed?
No, they didn't ask for an opinion, they just said "this is what we are doing" and he got 1 days heads up. The whole point of the Advisory panel is to Advise. They weren't asked for any input.
@Nick-ff4is the rc stated they did not give anyone advanced notice of what was being banned. CAG members stated they were informed of what was being banned 2 days before it happened. Plenty of time to offload cards.
@SharpsBox they also knew WotC was printing these cards and that they planned to ban these cards. Saying they caused the magic community to lose over a $100,000,000 is being nice when in all actuality they helped WotC earn billions instead of warning the players and player base they claim to care about that they were looking at banning these cards. Can you trust a rules committee that scams billions from the player base. That informed the CAG 2 days ahead of the ban with full knowledge of what they were doing and refused to listen to CAG and even one of their members not to do this.
Investing in cards is no different than investing into the stock market, you take a risk that it could potentially plummet and you lose money I don’t think that’s necessarily victim blaming but I do agree with everything said
I'm disgusted by you saying anyone deserve death threats for anything. The fact that you think that's okay is vile. She probably resigned because people like you were harassing her.
Here's my opinion, which I have spelt out on numerous channels - and it deviates from what the narrative out there is. I'm casual. An ACTUAL casual. I go and play once a week. Every time I go in, even if I am playing against the very same people, they have wracked up double, if not triple, the amount of hours I can put into the game between weeks. I also don't want to 'download a list' - I want to build my own stuff. Here is the FACT at ground level: I CANNOT keep up with the 'experts' who happen to play casual. ***All the experts DON'T use Mana Crypt,** and they still (Legally) ramp insanely. My proxies of Mana Crypt (because of price) are there to try and help me bridge the gap. They say make Commander better? More fun? Ummmm... NO. They have reinforced the Alphas in the room. They've legally ramped beyond my ability to handle as it was.... At times I'm having a real hard time being able to play a card, and not have it wiped out with all the additional mana they can spend to control the entire table, because they are that far ahead in their game plans. And its not necessarily because of missing land drops. And NATURALLY, they loath proxies, and absolutely 'live and die by the rules committee.' So now I have even less resources? Well its funny... I cancelled all the preorders (several Nightmare bundles, various Foundation products) and instead bought a Mana Crypt and a Jewelled Lotus from a Rage Quitter that wanted MTG out of his life ASAP in beyond what was a fire sale (Frankly I think he'd have felt better literally setting fire to his cards). After that I spent about a quarter of what I'd have planned on giving Amazon. Money well saved. I also have a list now of people I'll never play again - they'll decline to play because of 'banned cards' BUT I'll just as easily decline because 'I can't even get close to match your ramp, so why even bother?' - The Fracture is real. Now all I'll play are ZERO games - I'm stopping buying bulk product, I'll just pick off cheap one-off's and proxy anything expensive from here on. Yes, I got a real Mana Crypt and a Jewelled Lotus, because I always wanted a real one, but they are also a reminder to never spend any further excessive money on WOTC product or any other cards. Thing is, I know people will rather play me WITH the banned cards (in my sorts of experimental decks) than play against 'legal decks' that ensure their obliteration every single game, by the same boring as F way, week after week. From there the Alpha's are going to bitch to the store owners about proxies and banned cards being played (omitting the fact that a large number of people don't want to play against them) and all Hell is going to break loose.
Those are just shitty people who don’t know how to or don’t want to balance a table. It sucks that they frequent your LGS but they are everywhere. That’s not on the RC, it’s not on the LGS, it’s not on WotC. I personally would have stopped playing with them much sooner because no Commander is better than bad Commander.
@@jolteon345 Of course those people are everywhere - every store has an Alpha Group, who slaughter everyone else using fast mana, and from what I have seen (and asked of other stores I haven't been to) they've all evolved out of Mana Crypt and Jewelled Lotus like in my LGS - the bans only made their easy games even easier against those trying to catch up, and continues the trend of being damn impossible to try and create your own things. So you're wrong: RC and WOTC sure have had an influence - on the completely wrong people to those they were targeting. Their justifications to me are pure B.S. I'll always understand creature bans, but to make it sound like this fixes fast-mana is abhorrently ridiculous and insulting. The explanations are a red rag before my eyes. You want to fix fast-mana in 'casual' Commander (outside of cEDH)? To make it slower? Its EASY and its the ONLY way. Its also what will NEVER happen: Literally ban all rocks, creatures, artifacts, lands and anything else that allows more than one single mana increase per turn from the format. Since that won't happen, the only way is to get enough mana to compete against their ramp, so their influence is less. Ripping up those resources is inherently a failure of not understanding who gets more adversely effected - its a barrier against casuals (much like the scarcity/price of the two cards), and that's inherently a barrier against new people.
@@harbingerofchaos6720 You’re still seeing red over it all. The rules can’t fix the ones you call alphas. However, the cards that got banned have become more of an issue in actual casual games as the format has sped up and commanders have gotten more powerful, possibly having ward baked in. That’s what the RC means about the bans being for the casual side.
Let’s be real, if the “alphas” were actually playing casually, they’d care as much about the social environment as winning. They’d recognize that their decks were far too strong and either play something more appropriate or leave the table. If they wanted people to play up to their level, they’d either let someone borrow a deck or help build people up. Those are the real alphas.
@@jolteon345 I AM BEING REAL. What you said is idealistic. Its also fictional. Insane ramp is the problem - but to just use that sentence like everyone is, completely misses the detail within it. To the extremely skilled their Insane ramp is completely untouched by the bans, because they don't use those (now) banned cards. The rules can't stop Alphas at this point (or ever again), but they sure as Hell can stop anyone else trying to challenge them - which they just did. I originally typed 'can stop anyone else trying to challenge them AS THEY LEARN' but I deleted those last few words. No learning. Just one-sided games. They don't play cEDH - they play Casual Commander, only seemingly not that casual in the continually obvious slaughter time and again (on auto pilot with sets of machine decks). Its so obvious, and so obviously oblivious to most, we have 3 completely different levels within Commander - and people won't go to the competitive ranks, when they can stick in casual 2nds and feel good against the 3rd tier. The 3rd tier is where everyone starts, or where some people are always going to be, because their entire life isn't tied into just the card game. The 3rd tier is hard... Wins are few and far between. Its a massive hurdle to people trying to start - and there is no other way to start now, just Commander. Now the guys 'punching down' get the added feel good of 'you can't play that (insert mana helping card)' to people, when its turn 5, the unskilled player they just said that to might have finally got back on track after missing a land drop, and the person saying that has 7 Mana and a Gaia's Cradle on the table. THERE IS SOMETHING INCREDIBLY WRONG HERE. I repeat, this is supposed to be casual. A Mana Crypt or Jeweled Lotus is no Game-Destroyer to a 3rd tier user, but just maybe, they might be allowed to do something for once to upset the apple cart. Wouldn't that be nice (for once)? Now, its obvious the money consideration means its less likely the casual has a Crypt or Lotus, but its not like beginners haven't pulled insane cards before. By all means, reprint the F out of those cards - or at least allow them to proxy and use them. Oh, and as for WARD.. Don't get me started on that... That's even more a reason to have more mana-help available to inexperienced players. Frankly, if you choose to put a card in your Command Zone as Commander that has Ward, it should be negated by having made that Commander election, because it already has all the other advantages of being Commander. Once again, its no sweat for the guys that really are experts with ramping mana (and should be playing somewhere else) but it can put a game to a complete stop for a 3rd tier player. One thing we can agree on though... People are absolutely going to get tossed from tables going forward - so lets hope its the experts, as opposed to the third tier, who are less likely to ever come back.
@@harbingerofchaos6720 You’ve just described pub stompers. They aren’t “alphas”, just dicks looking to win and only playing to win. They also would get destroyed by people actually playing cEDH, likely also being destroyed by a good chunk of high power casual. I understand your frustration but seriously just screw them, they are INTENTIONALLY building to pub stomp, and games with them aren’t casual in anything but name. Sometimes a LGS will have a group of them, sometimes it’s just one guy, unlucky casual players will go to a LGS where it’s unintentional pubstomping due to the power of the LGS as a whole.
Again the real alphas also put in reflection, which leads to either balancing themselves to the table or helping build others up. They are the people who try to build a thriving community, the people who recognize the social aspect of the format.
Don’t let the pub stompers ruin your view of the format. They won’t let you learn because they don’t want you to.
Bro, ur talkin out ur behind. Jlk is well know to be against bans in general, he was against golos, iona, and paradox engine, him being against this isnt some "see they lnew it was the wrong ban" it was a tuesday
Also tgey knew it was gonna be a huge thing, your pretending they didnt think about these bans, but they were thinking for over a year on it.
We need tierlists not banlists. Everything banned in commander becomes S tier. Casual is B tier. Rank every card by tier for commander.
Do the same for vintage. C tier vintage becomes pauper with all commons. The pauper banlist becomes B tier with all the uncommons/weaker rares. A tier is the good cards. S tier is all the crazy shit and limited cards in vintage.
If you do the same with modern and pioneer you will open up multiple tiered power levels and provide a useful home for nearly every card.
Tierlists are the way, the problem is the people organizing the formats arent smart enough to make beautifil solutions.
Not a viable solution technically. We don't need hundreds or thousands of people looking at a list at a spotlight series (GP) & wondering where their cards rank. Not a good idea. Elder dragon highlander doesn't need to be separate from commander. When you play at a commander fest, there is 0 separation from casual to cEDH, therefore there should be 0 separation at all. Power levels don't exist outside of tournaments. Technically they don't even exist. It's only a way to describe budget decks from decks that run high power cards. I tell you what though, I can wipe out a few of y'all with fynn or tajic the blade Legion. Y'all in mtg that only play commander casually, need to play a real tournament to see there is 0 thing as "power levels". If your not first, you're last. Play to win...not just play to play. That's not striving to succeed.
17:51 the reserve list killed vintage and legacy
15:42 bro hope they lose everything then acting like cards are incestments
Your "hopes and dreams" are in cardboard rectangles?
Did you even watch the video?
you do realize some cardboard rectangles are worth more than a house?
you do realize some people buy and sell these carboard rectangles to pay their bills, and some of them have in fact dreamed of being able to do that since they got into these games?
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you do realize the thing you use to pay YOUR bills is nothing more than a plastic rectangle?
@@Ddelsol47 You'll never win an argument against a dummy.