That bike is pretty much a wish list of everything you would want in a bike. Plus the added bonus that you get to offset the weight of the bike with a much lighter wallet. They really have thought of everything.
Agreed. Very cool. The only "Dream option" I've been thinking of would be a 100w (ish) internal seat-tube mounted e-bike motor combined with a downtube battery charged by the hub. Granted, from what I've read so far this would almost double the cost of this already not-cheap bike.
@@ianfurqueron5850 I don't think a dynamo charger is the way to go, unfortunately. Dynamo hubs can charge a 5000mAh battery in about 7.5 hours of riding. Ebike batteries are 10-30x bigger than a powerbank, so you'd need to ride for 75-225 hours to get a full battery charge!
@@Cyclingabout part of the issue is I'm not thinking about a current ebike type battery. That's not what I want it for. Note I only said a 100w motor - less than half a typical e-bike motor. I don't envision the motor being used a lot. More like just a little boost to get a loaded bike over the crest of a long climb. 99% of the time it would be disengaged from the bottom bracket. So the battery wouldn't need to be quite as large. Plus, my thought is to have that battery replace the stem version in this bike.
@@ianfurqueron5850 By my napkin calculations, you might get 1-2km of assistance up a hill on a 100w motor per 7.5 hours of dynamo hub charging (17km/h for 128km). I suspect you'd actually be faster by not carrying a motor and battery, and not having the drag associated with the dynamo! Solar charging is probably the only way to generate enough charge for it to be worthwhile.
Hi Alee, just recieved my silkroad 27.5. Absolutely love it. Almost identical to ur video except I got Brooks ergo grips n jones h bars. Thanks to Damian for all his help.
This is truly a no-compromise touring/commuting bike. It is too expensive for me (the most expensive version, but there are others also in there that are a lot more affordable), but it is lovely to see that there are options like these pushing the boundaries and I am certain that for some people this makes a lot of sense (it can be a car alternative for many). I wonder when we will get bikes where you have a plug in option to add an electric motor or take it out.
A month ago I bought a Tout Terrain Tanami with rohloff/gates. I literally rolled it out the door of the shop and rode it on a 1000mile tour from Melbourne to Sydney. Making plans for my next tour real soon!
My touring bike (Boskey Overlander) has this mount for a spring to attach from the bottom tube to the fork to try and do the same thing... not great execution, it scratches against the mudguards. This steering lock on the other hand is awesome.
@@Gyvulys So your handlebars don't flop around when you lean the bike against something, causing the whole thing to come crashing down. No idea why they aren't standard on good bikes.
I'm in Canada and thinking I might need one of these if the American start their second civil war. Basically, I see this as the best travel option in a Mad Max world.
Horses bro.... Horses they feed themself and direct you to water when thete thirsty and can hold more weight and are faster than bikes or finding bike parts good luck
I love it! That bike has everything to get you well on your way! This is a whole segment of biking that I never thought of until I started watching your videos. Thanks for covering ALL of the important details!
1:01 forget about replacing a steel tube, they make special blocks that you can clamp to the frame to squeeze out dents. Besides, a dent isn't going to affect steel like it would aluminum.
A pair of wood blocks with half of a hole of the appropriate size work just as well as the official aluminum blocks. It only works with round tubes and will take the paint off even when you use lots of grease.
Seems amazing but slightly overpriced. By the way Alee, after watching your videos, I have purchased my first touring bike, and it's a Vivente Anatolia! Thank you for the recommendation sir
had a look at the Vivente Anatolia specifications and it appears to be a good touring bike . I ride a recumbent touring bike and I will never go back to sitting on a fence post holding my upper body weight on my hands or holding my head up to see where I am going. So one of these days when your body starts to object to all the things you felt were normal before , at least you have an option for comfort to continue to ride and tour!
The Tout terrain frame geometry is similar to modern road bikes, and they offer some models with cinq drop bar shifters, so if thats your thing, go for it. Koga miyata offers a stiffer down tube and rear triangle so a weighty rider will feel a difference. Former MTB riders could find Rennstahl geometry more suitable. If steel is real for you, check out Patria Fahrräder, their frames look just a notch better in this segment, and you can spec them as wished. Some more aluminum reccomendations: Idworx, Santos, Simplon, Maxx cycles. If you want something on a "budget", but still the best value, check out VSF T900 and TX1200.
My ultimate dream bike is the Silkroad Xplore II 275 loaded. Of course I'm gonna have to travel to Freiburg to pick it up and test tour it around Europe. Thanks for this Alee. Your shot @ 4min56sec got my adrenaline pumping!
A couple of years back I almost bought a Tout Terrain (5th Avenue, irrc). However, they had just introduced a new configurator and it did not work properly for weeks. This and the slightly lower price tipped the scale towards Patria (the Randonneur model). Lugged Zona tubes, Rohloff, SON hub and headlight. To me, the Edelux II is the bike's most impressive aspect, it is _almost_ perfect to go really fast at night. For how expensive they are you see quite many Patrias in German cities, though I think Tout Terrain is more innovative.
I saw one of these bikes on the TCT Canada this year 2022 it is the dogs bits, a Rolls Royce of touring bikes ,paint job ,the welds just a joy to see !
Years ago when I purchased by Pan Americana bicycle, I asked TT when they were going to start using the belt drive. The reply that I received was that they would not ever use a belt drive. And here we are, 13 years later, and they have joined the sane ones. I have truly enjoyed my Rohloff hub with belt drive bicycle.
Very interesting this new model of the Silk Road. I test-drove some Tout Terrain and found them very well made. The integrated rear carrier is typical of TT. Talking about other bikes: I have a Locomotive Cycles, Italian brand (as me), which is a “monster cross” or “adventure” bike, inox frame, quadruple butted, sloping, similar geometry to Salsa Fargo, can accomodate a lot of different wheel (I have three sets with 28” 30mm tyres, 29” 2.1” tyres, 27.5+ with 3” tyres), alternator drop-outs, elliptical wheel hub (you can rotate it). Unluckily it does not accommodate carbon rim because it doesn’t have opening on the rear. It has been designed with bike packing in mind, but you can fit further bags. I have Lauf fork in front. - perhaps you may test one of these bikes?
Your videos have been really inspiring. Awaiting the delivery of the Tout Terrain Blueridge bike with Rolhoff Plus. I’m looking forward to travelling the world soon on my new baby.
@@floppie88 So far, I love it, but I can't give you a proper review as yet. It's winter here in France and I'm waiting for the good weather. The plan is to tour all of France little by little before tackling Europe and beyond. Have only done about 100km, without luggage, over several rides. We are still under Covid restrictions. I'll get back to you after my first tour in spring. Am hoping to tackle either Normandy or Brittany.
@@MrHombre67 Thanks for your feedback! I will testdrive the bike once covid restrictions will allow it. Hopefully soon. Enjoy your future bike adventures!
@@floppie88 I have just cycled 1800 km on my Blueridge. Two things that I noticed. Had a lot of difficulty with the drop bars. After a week I had terrible neck pain. Had to ask a shop to raise the handlebars and I shifted the seat forward a bit. Conclusion. Drop handlebars would not be a first choice if I had to buy again. Second thing. After two weeks the gates drive was making an annoying scraping sound. Only thing that resolved it was water and a toothbrush or just water itself. Oh. One more thing. It's really heavy. All that said. it's an extremely comfortable, confident machine.
very good review. Probably one of the world most efficient « randonnée lointaine » bike ! Concerning the video presentation, I do like the way you are behind the bike as a voice off. It permits to capture all the information. instead of certain journalists speaking and speaking for minutes in front of the camera.
Talk to Surly about making something similar with a little more tire clearance and integrated fenders, that will bring the price down a bit. This bike is the Earthroamer Expidition RV of touring bikes, now we need a "mass market" version.
Thanks for your informative video! Been hoping for years that belt drives and internal gearing would become more standard. When I retire, those are two things I want on my 'dream bike'.
I own the first generation purchased in 2010. It's a wonderful bike but I would love some of the improvements mentioned here. In particular, through axles, front fork lock, belt drive, and that outstanding pannier rear rack interface. Fantastic!
I would love to see a review of the cinq trigger shifters for rohloff hubs ! I’m really interested but not sure about its reliability... great video anyway, as usual.
Loving the content as of late Alee! You are really hitting the sweet spot on RUclips in the bike packing/touring community, your content is really well produced, you know your stuff and its presented wonderfully I always enjoy watching your vids to the end. You've definitely inspred me to hit up areas in my neck of the woods on my bike. Hoping to see more of the collabs with other brands, maybe something from Salsa, Surly or Santos perhaps? Take care and am looking forward to the next video!
I have just specked my silkroad. Rollhoff, belt ,smidht dynamo Jones bar, 27.5 andre rims. Green ofcourse. Thanks alee . It was between this and the koga world traveller but eventually I had to choose. Thanks to Damian Bradley for all your help and patience at tout terrain. Very good service and advice. Cant wait to get the beast home .
I'm surprised the Silkroad frame doesn't come standard with S&S Couplers. It's so much easier to pack up a bike for airplane travel once it's been split in half.
1:53 orange bike with fork suspension: what bike is that? I think it might be good taking a touring bike steel frame and adding fork suspension, custom handlebar for comfort, mountain bike tyres.
Excellent review. Great communication skills your passion really comes through in your voice. I just did a mini trip around Fort Myers Florida and stayed at some airbnb's. Nothing at the levels you do but at least it's something. Know that you are appreciated in the RUclips Community. A lot of times people give me a hard time because I Tour on aluminum bike. I just smile and respond back when you're under 165 lb it's amazing what you can get away with.😁😁😁😁
@@Cyclingabout you bet back at you actually I was introduced to your channel by somebody who stayed at my house off of a reciprocal Hospitality cycling site.
WoW! Thank you so much for this detailed overview of a brand I have never heard of! I am currently in the market for a new bike and all of your videos are extremely helpful in the decision making process. Now if only there wasn't a shortage of bikes due to disrupted supply chains I could be back on two wheels again!
As a lifelong cyclist and motorcyclist this is amazing. I've owned BMW class-leading motorcycle adventure / touring bikes for the past 20 yrs and this is most impressive in terms of thinking of everything you need without adding the things you don't need. When I consider the price. Amazing. This is a bargain esp. if you consider the motorcycle equivalent is $30-40K.
4:56 I had to rewatch this part again to believe my eyes. You are a really brave man to not get off the bike while going through that section. one slip of wheel you are at the bottom of that clif.
I think the frameset seems quite good value. It’s more _useful_ than _interesting_ maybe but I’d love to see more about the Cinq, alternatives and how you can route generators and cables.
I bought a new Koga WTS last month. I have considered Tout Terrain bikes as well, but Koga offers a life time warranty on the frame, where Tout Terrain seems to limit it to 3 years (extended to 5 if you register quickly after purchase). On the paintwork Koga offers 10 years guarantee, Tour Terrain just 2. Imho such service and warranty aspects don't get enough attention in reviews. The two main differences between the bikes are the integrated rear rack and the steering lock mechanism on the TT. Personally I'm not a fan of the integrated rear rack. True, there is one less point of failure, but it's quite rare to break a quality rack these days. However, *if* the rack breaks, you'd have to find a skilled welder AND you need to have the entire frame repainted afterwards. If a custom rack breaks, you simply repair or replace the rack. The Koga has a built in steering limiter - ruclips.net/video/djw2ZDim_cM/видео.html - which is enough to comfortably use the rear kick stand with mounted lowriders in front. That being said, the TT still is a quality bike of course.
@@AndersFloor How about the reinforced rims on TT and spokes quality, talking about very important stiffness for riding heavy duty gravel - how does WTS compare?!
Great review of an bike that is obviously a the best in the expedition long travel self supporting bike touring segment. Personally I have been exploring Pinion Gates frames that would be for single day and overnight trips but with 27.5 plus wheels to handle various loose off-road conditions. I’m excited to see the bicycle industry growing and developing all types of bikes for various wants and needs.
Did you find one? I'd like a decent belt-drive hub-gear bike but I don't do world tours like alee - just a few days at a time, in Europe mostly on tarmac, but the problem with my existing frame is that it's no good on the occaisional dirt surface cos it can't take a tyre biger than 32mm. Seems to me that one ought to be able to do this for a lot less then 5000€.
5:24 In bad conditions, the chain/belt that drives the hub also has some loss in efficiency, so it would be difficult to decide which is more efficient without actually testing it.
I've tested the drivetrain drag with a friend in a very unscientific way. By flipping the bikes upside down and spinning the cranks, we found the belt/Rohloff drivetrain to have less noticeable resistance in the conditions we were riding in, compared to when both drivetrains were perfectly clean and spinning about as freely.
Forgive me if I'm confused here, and I can't find a way to search the comments to see if this issue has been addressed but... (and this is the Internet so there's always a butt..) In the graph of dynamo hub drag and efficiency the more efficient hub with the lesser drag is labeled Shimano and the more draggy and inefficient hub is labeled Schmidt. The voice-over is claiming greater efficiency for the Schmidt hub. I'm not complaining about anything I just am confused.
The labelling is correct. The drag is substantially lower (dotted line) for the Schmidt SON28 than the other hubs, but it does have slightly less power output too (solid line). When we compare the amount of drag for the power generated we get the hub's efficiency (60.2% on Schmidt SON28, 39.8% on Shimano UR700).
@@Cyclingabout I see it now. With your encouragement I focused on the individual lines of data and (in my mind) painstakingly resolved where I was messed-up. Your reviews are awesome but, your even tempered and concise answers to viewer questions is where the value is. I will never be able to justify owning one of these bikes or even a bike close to this level but I will always spend the time to watch your videos. Thank you!
You're welcome! I figure people can extract additional information from the comments section, so it's always worth investing time into responding to everyone. 😁
I have a small dog who is unfortunately dying now. But I was about to go on a hikebike with her through Europe when Corona stroke. However - I and many dog owners like me look for a easy way to travel with dogs and therefore I decided to build a cargo bike on my own. There is however already some very lightweight cargo bikes that one should be able to go on a tour with. The four most interesting of those are The Bullitt (Larry vs Harry), Elian Cycles Cargo bike, The Maniac and Sane cargo bikes and finally the Catan Cargo Bike. It would be very interesting to se a touring bike analysis on these or other cargo bikes.
Great touring bike but I am not so keen on the integrated rear rack. As you would struggle when flying to pack your bike into a solid bike box such as the Bikebox Alan or the Buxumbox. You would have to rely on a cardboard box from a bike shop if you can get one big enough.
Some people say I would rather buy a motorcycle for this price. Actually if you buy this bicycle you can enjoy it a life long with very little maintenance costs. The only thing I don't like on the frame of this TT bike is the integrated rear rack, upgrading to some new panniers is something you do more often and its nice to fit by that time if necessary also upgraded racks. I own a Santos Travelmaster3+ for my daily commuting, short weekends and longer holidays, love my Santos. And yes it cost me the price of a small car, but it does not use any fuel and gives me lifetime pleasure.
Thanks for your feedback Chris! Our integrated racks are made of stainless steel - the rigidity and durability, along with the ability to add the extra rails, is in our opinion ultimate rack solution. No need to upgrade later on ;)
Have a toot terrain Tanami, belt and Rohloff. Done about 4000 km to date. Carry some 45 kg on it as I have my small dog on the back rack, very stable and nice ride heavy loaded. Generally a very nice bike, don't care about the fixed rack though, limits options and the steering lock broke after a couple of weeks. It can easily be dismounted though so not a problem.
Great to hear you enjoy the Tanami Johan! After some feedback we redesigned our steering lock, and the Ergo Stop II Plus is a more robust design than version one as it uses a bolt-on CNC'd aluminum collar.
@@toutterrainbikes it probably works for most people, but heavy loaded front (say 15 kg) puts a lot of torque on the locks small radius through the leverage. I put a cheap traditional elastomer between the fork and the down tube, it keeps the wheel stable enough on a double kickstand and it basically can't break...
More mudguard clearance would be useful. A clagged up mudguard can stop a bike. An anti theft GPS locator linked to a phone would be desirable. Lovely bike and would need an expert bike mechanic to put it together properly to be reliable in use.
The mudguards can easily be spaced out further if you need, and Tout Terrain can do this from the factory. I recommend an expert mechanic to assemble any bike!
Thank you ! Another very well explained and detailed video of the details and intricacies ...that makes up a real ...WORLD touring bicycle , Your video , has created two things, first it created another argument in favour of spending in excess of 6000$ , for a touring bicycle, ....second your video created another competitor of bike builders from which to chose from.
That pannier system with Ortlieb looks fantastic. I've been looking all over Tout Terrain's website, however, and still can't find them. Do they come with the bike?
@@arsenalchamp It'll be best to contact Tout Terrain directly, as I don't remember seeing them in the configurator a few months ago (they might be now?).
Recently purchased a hardly used TT Metropolitan with Rohloff hub and dynamo hub, lights, USB charger, stand etc. It's not a quick bike, but it's so comfy that I call it my "Happy Bike", on account I just don't care about my speed as I'm more preoccupied with the scenery and what's going on.
Terrific content as usual. One quibble- lowering the CG helps when the bike is stationary and you trying to hold it upright because it gives more leverage against the panniers. Once one is riding and therefore balancing, and higher cg is easier to balance and more stable.
When travelling in a straight line, a high centre of gravity is fine. But with your centre of gravity low, you can lean further to one side or the other without creating enough turning force to tip you over. I cannot think of many situations where a higher centre of gravity would be beneficial.
Riding both bicycles and motorcycles, I prefer a low CG. Not that important on a bicycle, but you're more free to move around on top and it's also easier when you're crawling at half the speed a human moves (necessary skill to pass riding test in Switzerland).
It would been perfect if there was a Pinion 18 speed gearbox and S&S Couplers Agree the frame build is different. Since there is a competition with Co-Motion Pangea, I am still 80-20 favorable to Co-Motion. Just these 2 option would make it optimal.
This is the EarthRoamer Expidtion RV of touring bikes, you get what you pay for. I think it's awesome, the only thing I would want is a little more tire clearance. But you would spend a lot more to get a custom frame with all those features.
Let me qualify why this isn’t worth it: The greatest thing about Cycling is it’s a true democratic sport - sport of the people because costs are small - everyone can go cycle touring; the idea that you need to spend so much an a touring bike is just wrong, you don’t need to and your tour will not be enhanced in anyway by doing so. Many people spend money out of fear - like spending all this money is going to somehow stop anything going wrong - the truth is it’s your attitude and spirit that dictate your success not the amount of money spent. There studies out there showing that you are much better spending money on experiences and not consuming “stuff” - spending half this amount for an extra few months touring is a better use of money and proven to make you happier! But let’s assume that you are a very wealthy, have already donated huge sums to charity and just have to spend so much on a bike for some reason; then there are much better designed bikes, I would much rather be on something like the Mason ISO if touring off-road is a much more innovative design, better clearances etc. Thorn cycles from the UK offer steel framed adventure Rohloff bikes that are significantly cheaper and better designed IMO. In the UK again you can go to Shand Cycles who specialise in Rohloff and order a compete custom steel bike, hand-made in Scotland with Rohloff, belt drive, custom colours, custom hand-built wheels and lots of bling components for less than this bike - I know which I would prefer to own and offers the better value!
Whatever you say and however well performing the bike - over 6000$ is ridiculous!! Especially considering the frame is an industrial mass product and not the individual craftsmanship of a frame builder. If it were hand mad to my exakt wishes - one might consider the price.
CYCLINGABOUT great news. I am holding back on buying the Deveron. Big outlay for what is basically just a pushbike. Getting hold of anything at the moment is unlikely anyway. Thanks for the reply. I enjoy your videos and have learned a lot. If you are ever in East Anglia in the UK, (North Norfolk Coast), give me a bell. There is always a spare bed, a meal and a shower.
Good question. Pinions weight more, hard to say if the better weight distribution counteracts this. Old school of thought says lighter bikes are easier to cycle uphill
Who makes the steering limiter lock and the kickstand? FYI It is not rigidity which makes the wheels last It is toughness. The increased wall section rims would not measure as significantly stiffer but they would take significantly more energy not force to deflect them. A small but important distinction that all but an engineer wouldn't understand.
The limiter is proprietory to Tout Terrain. The kickstand is by Atran Velo. The Andra rims are significantly stiffer - I've broken 20% of the spokes on an Andra wheel and it was still running very straight.
My cycle buddy has a tout terrain blue ridge GT. Wow! It doesn't look anything special until you start looking. The only down side is you don't get a choice on gearing. It is supplied with a 19 tooth rear sprocket. So will have to change it to 22 teeth before she gets near Yorkshire.
Yes you can tour on just about any bike but for those that can part with the $$$ this bike will make the experience better although not $6000 better IMO 😄
Opinion of the Salsa Blackborow Expedition/Touring bike or the similar Big Dummy cargo bikes. Both bikes would be on road or 'light' gravel. Thanks. Great videos.
Australia and New Zealand because I've traveled and seen more else where than in my home countries. Living in Europe people ask me advise about Australia and New Zealand but haven;t seen half as much as me of their home. I'm not a good ambassador to home because I tell them to discover the beauty at your doorstep before flying to the other side of the world.
Does the integrated rear rack present any difficulty when packing into a bike box ? I guess if you take off both the front and rear wheels, you would get it in ok.
Would love to hear your review of the Santos Travelmaster 3+ from the Netherlands. Really enjoy and appreciate the quality and the amount of research you put in your video.
If I save $100 per week, I think I can afford to buy this bike in a year? Whoa. I started this adventure in 2022 trying to find an ebike but now manual seems to be the way to go! I am in love!
Investigate the Priority 600x which also uses the Gates belt drive and enclosed drive train enginered by former Porsche employees at 1/3 the cost. Built in the States but also have a wait time.
HI Alee, always nice to look at what’s around. How about a review/opinion of the Vivente WR and how it compares to its more expensive competitors in functionality.
All those high quality Parts are also made in Germany. They seem to always be top in the line , be it automotive, industry or even now bicycle (ebike) tech...huge
Yes very nice but its excellence is negated by wondering whether it'll get nicked wherever you park it up! Im between getting either a expensive custom made tourer [4- 5k] or adapting a 90's MTB you might find in a skip...😁
You should try to do a review of Idworx, their main competitor in Germany. I would also like to see a comparison between the top light components: Supernova, SON, and B&M IQ-X.
I am trying to get into touring. What is your view on the Trek 520 or 920 speced with a dynamo hub lighting and charging alongwith the supplied racks? Thank You.
So alee is this your next tourer?? Awesome bike, along with your koga, another great bike. The TT has been in my list for awhile. I picked up an MTBCYCLETECH tourer which I love
Given the belt drive and the IGH, is it difficult, complicated, or time consuming to remove the rear wheel? For example, in the event of a flat tire while touring, or to swap out 3-season touring tires for a pair of studded winter commuter tires?
If you consider what 3k buys you, this is perhaps a logical price point but I'm not wealthy enough to consider it, and I'm not that poor. I do think for long-distance touring I'd go with a Rohloff hub and gates belt. I did my first bad-weather, muddy tour recently with no chance to stop, and my newly installed components got damaged and it made horrible noises.
I loved to get one but with your type of handlebar ...Alee handlebar...or I can't remember the name but I met a Belgium couple during my ride last spring in Shimanami Kaido , Japan.. the guy is using your handle bar. Where can I buy the bike as I am in Malaysia? If it can be available in UK , I may also consider when I get there to start my ride after the pandemic hopefully. Thanks mate. Always awesome videos you made ... riding as well as equipment review.
Very interested in comparisons. FWIW - My intro to "adventure cycling" was seeing a picture of a Salsa Vaya in some far-off, mountainous land. My heart said "I want to do THAT". I saved for 2 years and bought one. It took me on many many adventures even if it wasn't perfect for the job. I loved it. I've been looking for a replacement since it was stolen recently. I've been thinking about doing the American Rockies (north to south) next year. Is your impression that this bike would be good for it, or would you much rather have something like your Koga? (And, was this vid sponsored?)
It really depends on the terrain. The KOGA WTS can fit 2.4-2.6" tyres, so anything majority dirt roads will definitely fall in its favour! But if you're riding on smoother surfaces, you won't find many differences between the bikes as they use 90%+ the same parts, and both have very well engineered touring frames with a similar geometry.
I'm at the start of the video and I'm mad that you haven't listed the advantages of steel frame in a better way. There are a lot of other factors to tell including longevity.
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That bike is pretty much a wish list of everything you would want in a bike. Plus the added bonus that you get to offset the weight of the bike with a much lighter wallet. They really have thought of everything.
Haha... a very light wallet indeed. 😂
Agreed. Very cool. The only "Dream option" I've been thinking of would be a 100w (ish) internal seat-tube mounted e-bike motor combined with a downtube battery charged by the hub. Granted, from what I've read so far this would almost double the cost of this already not-cheap bike.
@@ianfurqueron5850 I don't think a dynamo charger is the way to go, unfortunately. Dynamo hubs can charge a 5000mAh battery in about 7.5 hours of riding. Ebike batteries are 10-30x bigger than a powerbank, so you'd need to ride for 75-225 hours to get a full battery charge!
@@Cyclingabout part of the issue is I'm not thinking about a current ebike type battery. That's not what I want it for. Note I only said a 100w motor - less than half a typical e-bike motor. I don't envision the motor being used a lot. More like just a little boost to get a loaded bike over the crest of a long climb. 99% of the time it would be disengaged from the bottom bracket. So the battery wouldn't need to be quite as large. Plus, my thought is to have that battery replace the stem version in this bike.
@@ianfurqueron5850 By my napkin calculations, you might get 1-2km of assistance up a hill on a 100w motor per 7.5 hours of dynamo hub charging (17km/h for 128km). I suspect you'd actually be faster by not carrying a motor and battery, and not having the drag associated with the dynamo! Solar charging is probably the only way to generate enough charge for it to be worthwhile.
Hi Alee, just recieved my silkroad 27.5. Absolutely love it. Almost identical to ur video except I got Brooks ergo grips n jones h bars. Thanks to Damian for all his help.
That's awesome, congrats!
This is truly a no-compromise touring/commuting bike. It is too expensive for me (the most expensive version, but there are others also in there that are a lot more affordable), but it is lovely to see that there are options like these pushing the boundaries and I am certain that for some people this makes a lot of sense (it can be a car alternative for many). I wonder when we will get bikes where you have a plug in option to add an electric motor or take it out.
A month ago I bought a Tout Terrain Tanami with rohloff/gates. I literally rolled it out the door of the shop and rode it on a 1000mile tour from Melbourne to Sydney. Making plans for my next tour real soon!
That's awesome, congrats!
Where can you get it from,thanx?
Which shop? looking for a decent bike shop in Australia..
You had me at "steering lock".
My touring bike (Boskey Overlander) has this mount for a spring to attach from the bottom tube to the fork to try and do the same thing... not great execution, it scratches against the mudguards. This steering lock on the other hand is awesome.
Why in the world would anyone need a "steering lock"?
@@Gyvulys So your handlebars don't flop around when you lean the bike against something, causing the whole thing to come crashing down. No idea why they aren't standard on good bikes.
@@RobMacKendrick Do you know a thing called kickstand? Also, you don't "lean your bike on something" on a slope...
@@Gyvulys Gosh, I've only been riding a week, so you must be right!
I'm in Canada and thinking I might need one of these if the American start their second civil war. Basically, I see this as the best travel option in a Mad Max world.
You'll just need to fit a pair of 50 cals and a grenade launcher!
@@rolandmatters1619 Those don't come standard?
Horses bro.... Horses they feed themself and direct you to water when thete thirsty and can hold more weight and are faster than bikes or finding bike parts good luck
Won’t be much of a civil war since one side has all the guns.
Eric Johnson : yep. And the other side has all the brains. We also have guns 😚
I love it! That bike has everything to get you well on your way! This is a whole segment of biking that I never thought of until I started watching your videos. Thanks for covering ALL of the important details!
I'm glad I can introduce you to the fancy bikes of my world!
1:01 forget about replacing a steel tube, they make special blocks that you can clamp to the frame to squeeze out dents. Besides, a dent isn't going to affect steel like it would aluminum.
A pair of wood blocks with half of a hole of the appropriate size work just as well as the official aluminum blocks. It only works with round tubes and will take the paint off even when you use lots of grease.
Suggestion for your next bike review: Falkenjagd Hoplit Pi
Seems amazing but slightly overpriced.
By the way Alee, after watching your videos, I have purchased my first touring bike, and it's a Vivente Anatolia! Thank you for the recommendation sir
That's awesome! Congrats on the new ride.
had a look at the Vivente Anatolia specifications and it appears to be a good touring bike . I ride a recumbent touring bike and I will never go back to sitting on a fence post holding my upper body weight on my hands or holding my head up to see where I am going. So one of these days when your body starts to object to all the things you felt were normal before , at least you have an option for comfort to continue to ride and tour!
yes it is expensive, but I wouldn't say overpriced. I think it's reasonably priced, given all the expensive gadgets! nice bike Anatolia
The Tout terrain frame geometry is similar to modern road bikes, and they offer some models with cinq drop bar shifters, so if thats your thing, go for it. Koga miyata offers a stiffer down tube and rear triangle so a weighty rider will feel a difference. Former MTB riders could find Rennstahl geometry more suitable. If steel is real for you, check out Patria Fahrräder, their frames look just a notch better in this segment, and you can spec them as wished. Some more aluminum reccomendations: Idworx, Santos, Simplon, Maxx cycles. If you want something on a "budget", but still the best value, check out VSF T900 and TX1200.
My ultimate dream bike is the Silkroad Xplore II 275 loaded. Of course I'm gonna have to travel to Freiburg to pick it up and test tour it around Europe. Thanks for this Alee. Your shot @ 4min56sec got my adrenaline pumping!
You're welcome. Freiburg is my favourite city in Germany! Totally worth the visit. 😎
A couple of years back I almost bought a Tout Terrain (5th Avenue, irrc). However, they had just introduced a new configurator and it did not work properly for weeks. This and the slightly lower price tipped the scale towards Patria (the Randonneur model). Lugged Zona tubes, Rohloff, SON hub and headlight. To me, the Edelux II is the bike's most impressive aspect, it is _almost_ perfect to go really fast at night.
For how expensive they are you see quite many Patrias in German cities, though I think Tout Terrain is more innovative.
4:58 Ive just shat myself!
This content is off the charts. Every video is so well done and so very informative.
Glad you like them!
I saw one of these bikes on the TCT Canada this year 2022 it is the dogs bits, a Rolls Royce of touring bikes ,paint job ,the welds just a joy to see !
Next bike/brand test? Santos.
Years ago when I purchased by Pan Americana bicycle, I asked TT when they were going to start using the belt drive. The reply that I received was that they would not ever use a belt drive. And here we are, 13 years later, and they have joined the sane ones. I have truly enjoyed my Rohloff hub with belt drive bicycle.
Very interesting this new model of the Silk Road. I test-drove some Tout Terrain and found them very well made. The integrated rear carrier is typical of TT. Talking about other bikes: I have a Locomotive Cycles, Italian brand (as me), which is a “monster cross” or “adventure” bike, inox frame, quadruple butted, sloping, similar geometry to Salsa Fargo, can accomodate a lot of different wheel (I have three sets with 28” 30mm tyres, 29” 2.1” tyres, 27.5+ with 3” tyres), alternator drop-outs, elliptical wheel hub (you can rotate it). Unluckily it does not accommodate carbon rim because it doesn’t have opening on the rear. It has been designed with bike packing in mind, but you can fit further bags. I have Lauf fork in front. - perhaps you may test one of these bikes?
Your videos have been really inspiring. Awaiting the delivery of the Tout Terrain Blueridge bike with Rolhoff Plus. I’m looking forward to travelling the world soon on my new baby.
Also thinking about ordering the blueridge, how do you like your bike?
@@floppie88 So far, I love it, but I can't give you a proper review as yet. It's winter here in France and I'm waiting for the good weather. The plan is to tour all of France little by little before tackling Europe and beyond.
Have only done about 100km, without luggage, over several rides. We are still under Covid restrictions. I'll get back to you after my first tour in spring. Am hoping to tackle either Normandy or Brittany.
@@MrHombre67 Thanks for your feedback!
I will testdrive the bike once covid restrictions will allow it. Hopefully soon.
Enjoy your future bike adventures!
@@floppie88 I have just cycled 1800 km on my Blueridge. Two things that I noticed. Had a lot of difficulty with the drop bars. After a week I had terrible neck pain. Had to ask a shop to raise the handlebars and I shifted the seat forward a bit. Conclusion. Drop handlebars would not be a first choice if I had to buy again. Second thing. After two weeks the gates drive was making an annoying scraping sound. Only thing that resolved it was water and a toothbrush or just water itself. Oh. One more thing. It's really heavy. All that said. it's an extremely comfortable, confident machine.
very good review. Probably one of the world most efficient « randonnée lointaine » bike ! Concerning the video presentation, I do like the way you are behind the bike as a voice off. It permits to capture all the information. instead of certain journalists speaking and speaking for minutes in front of the camera.
Thanks! One of my aims of this video was to maximise the shots of the bike so you could see every detail. I'm glad you liked it!
Talk to Surly about making something similar with a little more tire clearance and integrated fenders, that will bring the price down a bit. This bike is the Earthroamer Expidition RV of touring bikes, now we need a "mass market" version.
Thanks for your informative video! Been hoping for years that belt drives and internal gearing would become more standard. When I retire, those are two things I want on my 'dream bike'.
I own the first generation purchased in 2010. It's a wonderful bike but I would love some of the improvements mentioned here. In particular, through axles, front fork lock, belt drive, and that outstanding pannier rear rack interface. Fantastic!
man I am with you, nd good luck to both if us test riding, and acquiring any of these today. or tomorrow. maybe in two years?
I would love to see a review of the cinq trigger shifters for rohloff hubs ! I’m really interested but not sure about its reliability... great video anyway, as usual.
Loving the content as of late Alee! You are really hitting the sweet spot on RUclips in the bike packing/touring community, your content is really well produced, you know your stuff and its presented wonderfully I always enjoy watching your vids to the end. You've definitely inspred me to hit up areas in my neck of the woods on my bike. Hoping to see more of the collabs with other brands, maybe something from Salsa, Surly or Santos perhaps? Take care and am looking forward to the next video!
My thoughts exactly.
Beautiful bike, they thought of everything a bike tourer would need.
I have just specked my silkroad. Rollhoff, belt ,smidht dynamo Jones bar, 27.5 andre rims. Green ofcourse. Thanks alee . It was between this and the koga world traveller but eventually I had to choose. Thanks to Damian Bradley for all your help and patience at tout terrain. Very good service and advice. Cant wait to get the beast home .
@@robertpask2897 why got you over the line compared to the Koga?
@@robertpask2897 have you got it
I'm surprised the Silkroad frame doesn't come standard with S&S Couplers. It's so much easier to pack up a bike for airplane travel once it's been split in half.
1:53 orange bike with fork suspension: what bike is that?
I think it might be good taking a touring bike steel frame and adding fork suspension, custom handlebar for comfort, mountain bike tyres.
Tout Terrain Outback.
Hey, great video. Take a look at the Falkenjagd Hoplit Pi Plus (or the Rennstahl steel equivalent). That's a ... I have no words.
Excellent review. Great communication skills your passion really comes through in your voice. I just did a mini trip around Fort Myers Florida and stayed at some airbnb's. Nothing at the levels you do but at least it's something. Know that you are appreciated in the RUclips Community. A lot of times people give me a hard time because I Tour on aluminum bike. I just smile and respond back when you're under 165 lb it's amazing what you can get away with.😁😁😁😁
Thanks for the kind words, John! I am passionate about bikes and adventure travel, that's for sure. 😅
@@Cyclingabout you bet back at you actually I was introduced to your channel by somebody who stayed at my house off of a reciprocal Hospitality cycling site.
WoW! Thank you so much for this detailed overview of a brand I have never heard of! I am currently in the market for a new bike and all of your videos are extremely helpful in the decision making process. Now if only there wasn't a shortage of bikes due to disrupted supply chains I could be back on two wheels again!
As a lifelong cyclist and motorcyclist this is amazing. I've owned BMW class-leading motorcycle adventure / touring bikes for the past 20 yrs and this is most impressive in terms of thinking of everything you need without adding the things you don't need. When I consider the price. Amazing. This is a bargain esp. if you consider the motorcycle equivalent is $30-40K.
4:56 I had to rewatch this part again to believe my eyes. You are a really brave man to not get off the bike while going through that section. one slip of wheel you are at the bottom of that clif.
I was thinking the same, however I do believe the camera lens makes the cliff deceptively closer than it might actually be.
..and I was thinking the same too
I think the frameset seems quite good value.
It’s more _useful_ than _interesting_ maybe but I’d love to see more about the Cinq, alternatives and how you can route generators and cables.
I've got a lot of dynamo content coming over the next year... everyone will eventually become an expert!
Oh man! Just when I was about to buy a Koga World Traveler, this review drops and I’m totally going to have to go back to the drawing board.
I bought a new Koga WTS last month. I have considered Tout Terrain bikes as well, but Koga offers a life time warranty on the frame, where Tout Terrain seems to limit it to 3 years (extended to 5 if you register quickly after purchase). On the paintwork Koga offers 10 years guarantee, Tour Terrain just 2. Imho such service and warranty aspects don't get enough attention in reviews.
The two main differences between the bikes are the integrated rear rack and the steering lock mechanism on the TT. Personally I'm not a fan of the integrated rear rack. True, there is one less point of failure, but it's quite rare to break a quality rack these days. However, *if* the rack breaks, you'd have to find a skilled welder AND you need to have the entire frame repainted afterwards. If a custom rack breaks, you simply repair or replace the rack.
The Koga has a built in steering limiter - ruclips.net/video/djw2ZDim_cM/видео.html - which is enough to comfortably use the rear kick stand with mounted lowriders in front.
That being said, the TT still is a quality bike of course.
Is your koga lighter than the TT ? Did you compare ?
@@mariamartins367 also wondering about the weight differnce
@@AndersFloor How about the reinforced rims on TT and spokes quality, talking about very important stiffness for riding heavy duty gravel - how does WTS compare?!
Great review of an bike that is obviously a the best in the expedition long travel self supporting bike touring segment. Personally I have been exploring Pinion Gates frames that would be for single day and overnight trips but with 27.5 plus wheels to handle various loose off-road conditions. I’m excited to see the bicycle industry growing and developing all types of bikes for various wants and needs.
Did you find one? I'd like a decent belt-drive hub-gear bike but I don't do world tours like alee - just a few days at a time, in Europe mostly on tarmac, but the problem with my existing frame is that it's no good on the occaisional dirt surface cos it can't take a tyre biger than 32mm. Seems to me that one ought to be able to do this for a lot less then 5000€.
@@xxwookey Shimano and some other companies make gear hubs. The German company Roloff is probably one of the best brands but they’re expensive.
Good bike. It seems the weakest link would be the battery and the electrical components, as all other parts appear to be quite robust.
5:24
In bad conditions, the chain/belt that drives the hub also has some loss in efficiency, so it would be difficult to decide which is more efficient without actually testing it.
I've tested the drivetrain drag with a friend in a very unscientific way. By flipping the bikes upside down and spinning the cranks, we found the belt/Rohloff drivetrain to have less noticeable resistance in the conditions we were riding in, compared to when both drivetrains were perfectly clean and spinning about as freely.
Made in Taiwan is a must for any high end bikes. Anything that’s above $1000 must be made in Taiwan. This is the best touring bike ever..
Forgive me if I'm confused here, and I can't find a way to search the comments to see if this issue has been addressed but... (and this is the Internet so there's always a butt..) In the graph of dynamo hub drag and efficiency the more efficient hub with the lesser drag is labeled Shimano and the more draggy and inefficient hub is labeled Schmidt. The voice-over is claiming greater efficiency for the Schmidt hub.
I'm not complaining about anything I just am confused.
The labelling is correct. The drag is substantially lower (dotted line) for the Schmidt SON28 than the other hubs, but it does have slightly less power output too (solid line). When we compare the amount of drag for the power generated we get the hub's efficiency (60.2% on Schmidt SON28, 39.8% on Shimano UR700).
@@Cyclingabout I see it now. With your encouragement I focused on the individual lines of data and (in my mind) painstakingly resolved where I was messed-up. Your reviews are awesome but, your even tempered and concise answers to viewer questions is where the value is. I will never be able to justify owning one of these bikes or even a bike close to this level but I will always spend the time to watch your videos. Thank you!
You're welcome! I figure people can extract additional information from the comments section, so it's always worth investing time into responding to everyone. 😁
I have a small dog who is unfortunately dying now. But I was about to go on a hikebike with her through Europe when Corona stroke. However - I and many dog owners like me look for a easy way to travel with dogs and therefore I decided to build a cargo bike on my own. There is however already some very lightweight cargo bikes that one should be able to go on a tour with. The four most interesting of those are The Bullitt (Larry vs Harry), Elian Cycles Cargo bike, The Maniac and Sane cargo bikes and finally the Catan Cargo Bike. It would be very interesting to se a touring bike analysis on these or other cargo bikes.
Great touring bike but I am not so keen on the integrated rear rack. As you would struggle when flying to pack your bike into a solid bike box such as the Bikebox Alan or the Buxumbox. You would have to rely on a cardboard box from a bike shop if you can get one big enough.
I have a silk road by Tout Terrain. It fit's easily into my EVOC bike carrier. No problem what so ever. Just sayin'.
Some people say I would rather buy a motorcycle for this price. Actually if you buy this bicycle you can enjoy it a life long with very little maintenance costs.
The only thing I don't like on the frame of this TT bike is the integrated rear rack, upgrading to some new panniers is something you do more often and its nice to fit by that time if necessary also upgraded racks.
I own a Santos Travelmaster3+ for my daily commuting, short weekends and longer holidays, love my Santos. And yes it cost me the price of a small car, but it does not use any fuel and gives me lifetime pleasure.
Thanks for your feedback Chris! Our integrated racks are made of stainless steel - the rigidity and durability, along with the ability to add the extra rails, is in our opinion ultimate rack solution. No need to upgrade later on ;)
Have a toot terrain Tanami, belt and Rohloff. Done about 4000 km to date. Carry some 45 kg on it as I have my small dog on the back rack, very stable and nice ride heavy loaded. Generally a very nice bike, don't care about the fixed rack though, limits options and the steering lock broke after a couple of weeks. It can easily be dismounted though so not a problem.
Great to hear you enjoy the Tanami Johan! After some feedback we redesigned our steering lock, and the Ergo Stop II Plus is a more robust design than version one as it uses a bolt-on CNC'd aluminum collar.
@@toutterrainbikes it probably works for most people, but heavy loaded front (say 15 kg) puts a lot of torque on the locks small radius through the leverage. I put a cheap traditional elastomer between the fork and the down tube, it keeps the wheel stable enough on a double kickstand and it basically can't break...
More mudguard clearance would be useful. A clagged up mudguard can stop a bike. An anti theft GPS locator linked to a phone would be desirable. Lovely bike and would need an expert bike mechanic to put it together properly to be reliable in use.
The mudguards can easily be spaced out further if you need, and Tout Terrain can do this from the factory. I recommend an expert mechanic to assemble any bike!
Thank you ! Another very well explained and detailed video of the details and intricacies ...that makes up a real ...WORLD touring bicycle , Your video , has created two things, first it created another argument in favour of spending in excess of 6000$ , for a touring bicycle, ....second your video created another competitor of bike builders from which to chose from.
Oops... sorry about that! 😂
That pannier system with Ortlieb looks fantastic. I've been looking all over Tout Terrain's website, however, and still can't find them. Do they come with the bike?
They're called "EX rails" and they are an optional extra when you configure the bike. The price is something like 50 euros.
@@Cyclingabout What about the panniers themselves?
@@arsenalchamp It'll be best to contact Tout Terrain directly, as I don't remember seeing them in the configurator a few months ago (they might be now?).
@@Cyclingabout Yeah, I checked earlier today and couldn't find it - although of course it might be there
@@arsenalchamp Just send them an email, they're a friendly bunch!
Recently purchased a hardly used TT Metropolitan with Rohloff hub and dynamo hub, lights, USB charger, stand etc. It's not a quick bike, but it's so comfy that I call it my "Happy Bike", on account I just don't care about my speed as I'm more preoccupied with the scenery and what's going on.
This must be the most complete off the shelf touring bike available now. I can't imagine what else can be modified here to improve it further
If you think of anything, let us know :)
@@toutterrainbikes Some anti-theft or alarm on a $6,000+ bike.
A side car. your welcome;)
@@johngury They have that.
@@toutterrainbikes Drop bar version with Rohloff and Rohbox shifting system paired with a Schlumpf Mtn Drive setup with the lowest gear ratio allowed.
Terrific content as usual. One quibble- lowering the CG helps when the bike is stationary and you trying to hold it upright because it gives more leverage against the panniers. Once one is riding and therefore balancing, and higher cg is easier to balance and more stable.
When travelling in a straight line, a high centre of gravity is fine. But with your centre of gravity low, you can lean further to one side or the other without creating enough turning force to tip you over. I cannot think of many situations where a higher centre of gravity would be beneficial.
Riding both bicycles and motorcycles, I prefer a low CG. Not that important on a bicycle, but you're more free to move around on top and it's also easier when you're crawling at half the speed a human moves (necessary skill to pass riding test in Switzerland).
It would been perfect if there was a Pinion 18 speed gearbox and S&S Couplers
Agree the frame build is different.
Since there is a competition with Co-Motion Pangea, I am still 80-20 favorable to Co-Motion. Just these 2 option would make it optimal.
We are officially announcing our Pinion models very soon, you can sign up for our newsletter for updates or keep an eye on our social media channels!
@@toutterrainbikes Looking Forward to it
@@toutterrainbikes Cool, with the 18spd Pinion gearbox?
Heavy. I was lucky to find a used pinion Xplore model for $3k.
Quite a bike. I wasn't familiar with this level of quality. Your review was beyond excellent. Thank you.
Nice advert! No, the bike is not worth 6300!!
It is!
This is the EarthRoamer Expidtion RV of touring bikes, you get what you pay for. I think it's awesome, the only thing I would want is a little more tire clearance. But you would spend a lot more to get a custom frame with all those features.
Let me qualify why this isn’t worth it:
The greatest thing about Cycling is it’s a true democratic sport - sport of the people because costs are small - everyone can go cycle touring; the idea that you need to spend so much an a touring bike is just wrong, you don’t need to and your tour will not be enhanced in anyway by doing so. Many people spend money out of fear - like spending all this money is going to somehow stop anything going wrong - the truth is it’s your attitude and spirit that dictate your success not the amount of money spent. There studies out there showing that you are much better spending money on experiences and not consuming “stuff” - spending half this amount for an extra few months touring is a better use of money and proven to make you happier!
But let’s assume that you are a very wealthy, have already donated huge sums to charity and just have to spend so much on a bike for some reason; then there are much better designed bikes, I would much rather be on something like the Mason ISO if touring off-road is a much more innovative design, better clearances etc. Thorn cycles from the UK offer steel framed adventure Rohloff bikes that are significantly cheaper and better designed IMO.
In the UK again you can go to Shand Cycles who specialise in Rohloff and order a compete custom steel bike, hand-made in Scotland with Rohloff, belt drive, custom colours, custom hand-built wheels and lots of bling components for less than this bike - I know which I would prefer to own and offers the better value!
@@paul_burney Phew - a political arguing ..... I am out 😁
Have you tried the Stanforth bikes?
Whatever you say and however well performing the bike - over 6000$ is ridiculous!! Especially considering the frame is an industrial mass product and not the individual craftsmanship of a frame builder. If it were hand mad to my exakt wishes - one might consider the price.
What´s the brand name of the company producing the steering lock? Thank you in advance!
I haven’t heard you do anything on the Van Nicholas Deveron. Maybe you should? Great vid.
Cheers! I'd like to highlight the details of a titanium bike in the future, that could be the one.
CYCLINGABOUT great news. I am holding back on buying the Deveron. Big outlay for what is basically just a pushbike. Getting hold of anything at the moment is unlikely anyway. Thanks for the reply. I enjoy your videos and have learned a lot. If you are ever in East Anglia in the UK, (North Norfolk Coast), give me a bell. There is always a spare bed, a meal and a shower.
Perfect.
Which one is easier for cycling uphill:
Pinion Gearbox or Rohloff?
Good question. Pinions weight more, hard to say if the better weight distribution counteracts this.
Old school of thought says lighter bikes are easier to cycle uphill
Alee,
Where can I find the steering limiter and lock? Is it on the market yet?
Hmmm, after 78,000 miles on my two trek 520's the Tout would be an incredible upgrade, but I'd go for the pinion.....
Good choice!
An honest and comprehensive review. Bravo
Who makes the steering limiter lock and the kickstand?
FYI It is not rigidity which makes the wheels last It is toughness. The increased wall section rims would not measure as significantly stiffer but they would take significantly more energy not force to deflect them. A small but important distinction that all but an engineer wouldn't understand.
The limiter is proprietory to Tout Terrain. The kickstand is by Atran Velo. The Andra rims are significantly stiffer - I've broken 20% of the spokes on an Andra wheel and it was still running very straight.
Non-Enginerd's don't understand the technical difference between stiffness and toughness
@4:58 WTF? :O
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like a pretty good value to me! lots of attention to detail.
Exactly, bikes (ours and many others) can have a high price tag and still be a great value!
My cycle buddy has a tout terrain blue ridge GT. Wow! It doesn't look anything special until you start looking. The only down side is you don't get a choice on gearing. It is supplied with a 19 tooth rear sprocket. So will have to change it to 22 teeth before she gets near Yorkshire.
That rear with the built in rack is very nice
I was all ready to type in "are you mad?" in the comments but after seeing all the innovative features I don't think the price is out of line.
No thanks, I'll ride my $150 WalMart bike and go to the same places this bike will. It will just a little longer.
Yes you can tour on just about any bike but for those that can part with the $$$ this bike will make the experience better although not $6000 better IMO 😄
Opinion of the Salsa Blackborow Expedition/Touring bike or the similar Big Dummy cargo bikes. Both bikes would be on road or 'light' gravel. Thanks. Great videos.
what an awesome research - literally no questions left behind!
*If you could ride this Tout Terrain Silkroad across a country or continent, which location would you pick?* 😎
Currently my options are: 1. South America 2. from Europe to Nepal 😃
I checked the Tanami. Would you prefer the Silkroad or the Tanami?
Australia and New Zealand because I've traveled and seen more else where than in my home countries. Living in Europe people ask me advise about Australia and New Zealand but haven;t seen half as much as me of their home. I'm not a good ambassador to home because I tell them to discover the beauty at your doorstep before flying to the other side of the world.
South America!! Then up to Mexico.
It's obvious isn't it? Pick the road that the bike manufacturer has aptly suggested when they name the bike 😆
Any chance you can tell me the make/model of the rear kickstand?
Does the integrated rear rack present any difficulty when packing into a bike box ? I guess if you take off both the front and rear wheels, you would get it in ok.
As you keep the rear wheel on a bike when packing it, the rack will have no effect.
How does the Tout Terrain compare to the Van Nicholas titanium touring model.thanks🚵♀️😎🇨🇦
Would love to hear your review of the Santos Travelmaster 3+ from the Netherlands. Really enjoy and appreciate the quality and the amount of research you put in your video.
Santos bikes released some new bikes last year. Please take a look at those.
If I save $100 per week, I think I can afford to buy this bike in a year? Whoa. I started this adventure in 2022 trying to find an ebike but now manual seems to be the way to go! I am in love!
Investigate the Priority 600x which also uses the Gates belt drive and enclosed drive train enginered by former Porsche employees at 1/3 the cost. Built in the States but also have a wait time.
HI Alee, always nice to look at what’s around. How about a review/opinion of the Vivente WR and how it compares to its more expensive competitors in functionality.
All those high quality Parts are also made in Germany. They seem to always be top in the line , be it automotive, industry or even now bicycle (ebike) tech...huge
I saw a small part for attaching kickstand with Rohloff. Can you please give info about it ? Is it custom or regular spare ?
The kickstand mount is designed for this bike only. It will not fit anything else.
Thanks to you I'm upgrading my bike with hub-gears and more importantly I am buying more non-meat alternatives. Loving the content!
That's awesome to hear! They're two life decisions I've never regretted. 🙏🏼
What do you think about Hasel Pino Tour?
Yes very nice but its excellence is negated by wondering whether it'll get nicked wherever you park it up! Im between getting either a expensive custom made tourer [4- 5k] or adapting a 90's MTB you might find in a skip...😁
You should try to do a review of Idworx, their main competitor in Germany.
I would also like to see a comparison between the top light components: Supernova, SON, and B&M IQ-X.
Thanks for the ideas. I'd love to do something dynamo lights, I know quite a bit about them.
I am trying to get into touring. What is your view on the Trek 520 or 920 speced with a dynamo hub lighting and charging alongwith the supplied racks? Thank You.
So alee is this your next tourer?? Awesome bike, along with your koga, another great bike. The TT has been in my list for awhile. I picked up an MTBCYCLETECH tourer which I love
Rohloff!!! The best! Can’t wait mine to be used!
Given the belt drive and the IGH, is it difficult, complicated, or time consuming to remove the rear wheel? For example, in the event of a flat tire while touring, or to swap out 3-season touring tires for a pair of studded winter commuter tires?
It takes me no more than 5 seconds extra to remove or install a Rohloff wheel.
@@Cyclingabout Thanks for the reply. That's good to know 🚴♂️👍
If you consider what 3k buys you, this is perhaps a logical price point but I'm not wealthy enough to consider it, and I'm not that poor. I do think for long-distance touring I'd go with a Rohloff hub and gates belt. I did my first bad-weather, muddy tour recently with no chance to stop, and my newly installed components got damaged and it made horrible noises.
Heu there ! What are the kickstand's brand and model ? is used to have the same on my Cannondale Tesoro but it broke and need to replace it. Thanx !
Altran Velo Stylo Blackline
I loved to get one but with your type of handlebar ...Alee handlebar...or I can't remember the name but I met a Belgium couple during my ride last spring in Shimanami Kaido , Japan.. the guy is using your handle bar. Where can I buy the bike as I am in Malaysia? If it can be available in UK , I may also consider when I get there to start my ride after the pandemic hopefully. Thanks mate. Always awesome videos you made ... riding as well as equipment review.
Hi Jesse, what‘s your opinion on 27.5“ vs. 29“ on touring bikes?
super informative, didn't know this bike existed. something to contemplate for touring asperations.
Very interested in comparisons.
FWIW - My intro to "adventure cycling" was seeing a picture of a Salsa Vaya in some far-off, mountainous land. My heart said "I want to do THAT". I saved for 2 years and bought one. It took me on many many adventures even if it wasn't perfect for the job. I loved it. I've been looking for a replacement since it was stolen recently.
I've been thinking about doing the American Rockies (north to south) next year. Is your impression that this bike would be good for it, or would you much rather have something like your Koga?
(And, was this vid sponsored?)
It really depends on the terrain. The KOGA WTS can fit 2.4-2.6" tyres, so anything majority dirt roads will definitely fall in its favour! But if you're riding on smoother surfaces, you won't find many differences between the bikes as they use 90%+ the same parts, and both have very well engineered touring frames with a similar geometry.
@@Cyclingabout - clearly I'll have to order both. Maybe that will permanently satisfy the n+1 rule.
Thanks!
I'm at the start of the video and I'm mad that you haven't listed the advantages of steel frame in a better way. There are a lot of other factors to tell including longevity.
Does anybody know where you can find steering locks like that one?
More affordable than I would have guessed. Nice ride.
I got a bit scared of the price, but there seems to be plenty of different options to choose from for a lot less than that 5500 EUR :-)
Where can I buy the steering lock thing?