The hidden war over grocery shelf space

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2016
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  • @sierralvx
    @sierralvx 7 лет назад +2146

    I worked as an overnight shelver at superstore in Canada for a bit, and being the person that physically puts the products into the slots they pay for is nerve-wracking. In fact, food companies would send representatives to the store to check if we had put their product exactly where they wanted it. And next time you're looking at the price for oreos, look at the price tag on the shelf a little closer. There will be a 'f1' code, meaning 'face this number of objects', which is how many products are meant to be facing the front of the shelf. Sometimes there are f7' or f10' rows, and it made me go 'fuck that!" every time, having to squeeze every product as close as I could without it falling off. My old co-worker described it as mini real estate, and that is so accurate.

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat 5 лет назад +89

      Planagrams are an absolute nightmare if your running a smaller than average store from a big corporate chain. You have to carry around a huge printoff everyday of every stupid little change that someone on high has decided has to take place during the precious moments before a store opens. All the designs are for average stores, and there is never enough space for everything so hard decisions have to be made. Then a brand representative or a regional manager makes a surprise visit and writes up your store in failing despite the fact that they are requesting a literally impossible demand. Eventually you learn which products nobody checks on but it seems absurd that someone is getting payed very well to sit in a office "designing" something that whilst looking nice to the manufacturers has little to no bearing on implementing such designs into the real world.

    • @MotorYardtraphik
      @MotorYardtraphik 5 лет назад +14

      @@cattysplat its called money everyone wants it so they'll lie to big companies even if its impossible to implement in real life. They dont care they just want money and leave you to deal with it like every other job in the world

    • @aboabdcm6544
      @aboabdcm6544 4 года назад +8

      OI U BETTER PUT MY STUFF THERE PROPERLY OR ILL GET U

    • @inocry940
      @inocry940 4 года назад +9

      i know what exactly what you mean, my family owns convenience stores and when we get big brand products the supplier comes in to check if it is displayed properly and with advertisement that is meant to be displayed.

    • @AngelaAlbertina
      @AngelaAlbertina 4 года назад +2

      Same I worked at Kroger and people would come in to take pictures of items. I thought they were apart of Kroger but I know realized they were sales reps

  • @stannisthemannisbaratheon1039
    @stannisthemannisbaratheon1039 7 лет назад +5145

    I keep thinking the video is over but it keeps going

    • @dren8346
      @dren8346 7 лет назад +217

      and then it is over and you continue binge watching these random videos

    • @mrmindstorms
      @mrmindstorms 7 лет назад +94

      Just like the last Lord of the rings

    • @ludiwang1172
      @ludiwang1172 7 лет назад +13

      Yep.

    • @swiper9261
      @swiper9261 6 лет назад +7

      Lol same

    • @mattwarmka1703
      @mattwarmka1703 6 лет назад +16

      I keep thinking you are the One True King of the Seven Kingdoms.

  • @rancidmarshmallow4468
    @rancidmarshmallow4468 7 лет назад +1536

    "with generic bits"
    yup, that's my new motto.

  • @ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723
    @ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723 7 лет назад +1430

    So VOX just made me weigh the ethical concerns of buying ice cream.

    • @plotylty
      @plotylty 6 лет назад +19

      Ionlymadethistoleavecoments not just ice cream, what they said is true for every kind of product.

    • @1mfilms
      @1mfilms 5 лет назад +12

      The profit margins must be razor thin at this point. =(
      They already have to pay a lot to develop, produce, package, and market their food but also to even get them allowed on store shelves?
      I like Whole Foods and Costco's approach of testing out different products on store shelves for free. Let consumers and sales determine if your product is good enough, not how much you're willing to "bribe" the grocers.

    • @mareksicinski3726
      @mareksicinski3726 5 лет назад +3

      there are a lot more obvious one with most of it given the dairy industry lol

    • @J.5.M.
      @J.5.M. 5 лет назад

      They don't make you do anything ✌🏼✌🏼

    • @xyz-je2wx
      @xyz-je2wx 2 года назад

      buy online, although even online some brands pay to be put at the top of the list

  • @browtf4796
    @browtf4796 7 лет назад +757

    i love this channel cause honestly they report things i didn't even know existed

    • @thedeadquaker
      @thedeadquaker 4 года назад +34

      @nothere_2017 Not everyone goes to marketing school, dear.

  • @C4nadian
    @C4nadian 7 лет назад +2683

    These are the vox videos that made me sub in the first place.

    • @msms47
      @msms47 7 лет назад +56

      thier other videos are just as good and well as this its just u when u do not like a subject u get defensive and see thier point less or ignore it .

    • @elvolvasky69
      @elvolvasky69 7 лет назад +4

      C4nadian agree with you

    • @drumraider
      @drumraider 7 лет назад +48

      No, because if they made a video praising Reagan and saying nothing bad about him I'd be just as mad. Bias is wrong no matter who it's supporting.

    • @RageAgainstTheTards
      @RageAgainstTheTards 7 лет назад +5

      Mugen 10/10

    • @MajCyric
      @MajCyric 7 лет назад +3

      +C4nadian funny you should say that... Because i just subbed after watching this one....

  • @shavonegranville6004
    @shavonegranville6004 7 лет назад +579

    the face on the model of generic ice cream is glorious.

    • @MoneyBytesAI
      @MoneyBytesAI 3 года назад +1

      i love this channel cause honestly they report things i didn't even know existed

  • @ClideGeardenaweseomeness
    @ClideGeardenaweseomeness 7 лет назад +2766

    wow vox, you didnt state that you were sponsored by generic, im disappointed

    • @mukhtaryusuf3228
      @mukhtaryusuf3228 7 лет назад +2

      Clide Gearden what are you talking about

    • @hecko-yes
      @hecko-yes 6 лет назад +155

      mukhtar yusuf It's a joke about how some RUclipsrs get sponsored by companies in exchange for showing their products. Here, Vox has shown a product by the fictional Generic brand.

    • @erroliima1
      @erroliima1 5 лет назад +40

      “Only truly amazing people can see the quality of generic brand. It is so generic that it’s not generic”
      - some basic white name

    • @Ashegao
      @Ashegao 5 лет назад +5

      @@mukhtaryusuf3228 r/woosh

    • @cardodalitay9184
      @cardodalitay9184 5 лет назад

      @@mukhtaryusuf3228 r/ woooosh

  • @s_for_short2400
    @s_for_short2400 7 лет назад +724

    Wait...so when i pick something from a shelf and 10 mins later i decide i dont want it so i leave it at a random shelf am i commiting a crime?

    • @jackalberry3633
      @jackalberry3633 7 лет назад +6

      srba filipovic dang...

    • @cgarciahfcu
      @cgarciahfcu 7 лет назад +335

      You're committing a war crime.

    • @bnlhu
      @bnlhu 7 лет назад +66

      yes a federal felony

    • @eddyxx
      @eddyxx 6 лет назад +192

      skomrex jebacina no, just pissing off people like me who have to clean up after you.

    • @1mfilms
      @1mfilms 5 лет назад +11

      lol you guys are hilarious

  • @GrodenH
    @GrodenH 7 лет назад +1432

    This is why I subscribed to Vox

    • @bleachy4947
      @bleachy4947 7 лет назад +25

      Groden same nothing biases about this

    • @TheMuse260
      @TheMuse260 7 лет назад +65

      Vox subscriber logic
      factual political video=biased
      non political video=factual,non-biased

    • @eleiraeel
      @eleiraeel 7 лет назад +7

      there will always be facts and evidence for both sides of an argument. Vox tends to lean democratic which can be annoying if its constantly in your face

    • @Rapture582
      @Rapture582 7 лет назад +19

      Or maybe Democrat's views are more nearly correct and consistent than republican's. There's a right and a wrong; Republicans get angry when the facts are brought up and call it "bias", no it's just the truth.

    • @bleachy4947
      @bleachy4947 7 лет назад +4

      there is no right or wrong when it comes to politics. every one has to come to thier conclusion based on the represented facts. and when your only feed information to make lean in a certain directions there's a problem. I have no problem with hearing facts that question my stand and vice versa. thats why its annoying when vox only posts pro democrat anti republic videos because there significant problems with both sides

  • @TimZarra
    @TimZarra 7 лет назад +501

    no wonder all the ice cream at the grocery store sucks. It's not a competition for the best ice cream, but a competition to see who can afford the shelving space.

    • @HarryBalzak
      @HarryBalzak 7 лет назад +9

      I was just thinking that exact thing.

    • @dothedeed
      @dothedeed 7 лет назад +51

      Maybe you didn't buy ice-cream. Happened to me - I was wondering why the ice-cream tasted weird and almost too creamy - then I looked on the package and saw "frozen dessert". Not one place did it say "ice-cream" - probably for legal reasons.

    • @Litcott
      @Litcott 7 лет назад +29

      Ahold has this cheap generic brand called Guaranteed Value that they stock in their Stop & Shop and Giant stores and while the packaging is atrocious (looks like something out of a Soviet post apocalyptic society) the ice cream is really good. It's the cheapest ice cream you can get by weight and they stock it all the way at the bottom, but the quality is comparable to any well known ice cream brand. idk why it's so hard to shake the assumption that name brand = superior, but if we could all rid ourselves of that notion we'd save so much money.

    • @awr__0025
      @awr__0025 5 лет назад

      @James Currie Sure they do...They voted for Trump. You MEMBERRR???

    • @awr__0025
      @awr__0025 5 лет назад

      @James Currie Lmfao...It was a joke

  • @theCodyReeder
    @theCodyReeder 7 лет назад +1462

    "made by Walter White foods" lol

    • @thomasni123
      @thomasni123 7 лет назад +48

      PRAISE THE LAB

    • @oregonpeeps4511
      @oregonpeeps4511 7 лет назад +6

      Cody'sLab blech

    • @Anthonypython
      @Anthonypython 7 лет назад +35

      Walter's special Crystal-clear blue cotton candy Ice cream.

    • @isasommer7096
      @isasommer7096 6 лет назад +20

      You could say that ice-cream is quite *addictive*

    • @lexyshade6115
      @lexyshade6115 6 лет назад +7

      (So delicious) It’s vegan ice cream it’s actually good

  • @Keepedia99
    @Keepedia99 7 лет назад +735

    What can I do to get my face on your generic icecream?

    • @Sungulltzu
      @Sungulltzu 7 лет назад +104

      Keerthana Gurushankar You need to look generic

    • @yourneighbor5010
      @yourneighbor5010 7 лет назад +54

      Keerthana Gurushankar At the Generic Store in Generic Town in a Generic Country who is located on a generic planet.

    • @OverLordthe1st
      @OverLordthe1st 7 лет назад +9

      Keerthana Gurushankar​ lmao, You look like a Hindu Octavia Spencer

    • @beepbeepimasheep1346
      @beepbeepimasheep1346 7 лет назад +1

      Your Neighbor In a generic universe

    • @asvinau3671
      @asvinau3671 7 лет назад

      OverLordthe 1st lol! I googled it .

  • @Lucy-ng7cw
    @Lucy-ng7cw 7 лет назад +598

    I wish at the end they would do a quick run down on what it's like in different countries.

    • @carlzune2910
      @carlzune2910 4 года назад +2

      I'm afraid to say, thats it's almost the same... at the end is just money A BUNCH OF IT, and if a store is getting a lot from it, it will continue...

    • @CommanderCodey
      @CommanderCodey 2 года назад

      It’s probably the same for a lot of countries.

  • @grantg.2415
    @grantg.2415 7 лет назад +92

    I don't care where the ice cream is placed, I will find blue bell and buy it.

  • @ceegee6323
    @ceegee6323 7 лет назад +20

    Wow, I had it so backwards. I thought the grocery stores bought food from vendors at a whole-sale price and then sold to consumers for a profit. I had no idea the grocery stores taxed the vendors to even hold their products. Crazy!

  • @nathanaelcrawford
    @nathanaelcrawford 7 лет назад +254

    While Walmart doesn't charge slotting fees (anymore), they do use their clout to force other large corporations to bend to their will.
    A notable instance where they attempted this was with Little Debbie a few years back. McKee Foods (Little Debbie's parent company) uses a (somewhat antiquated) DSD system of independent delivery drivers, each one operating their own small business.
    Some time ago, Walmart began a push to bring as many companies into their direct-ship model (McKee sells to Walmart, who then takes over the distribution to their stores, cutting out the middle man).
    McKee flatly refused- as doing this would destroy thousands of their distributors primary income. Walmart retaliated by demoting Little Debbie to the bottom shelves, and bringing in more competition- trying to force their hands by strangling their income.
    They failed to force McKee's hand in this particular case, but the income for many distributors I know personally took an enormous hit- sometimes up to a third of their income- due to these (and similar) practices.

    • @circleshafer2453
      @circleshafer2453 7 лет назад

      Nathanael Crawford contextual

    • @user-dm2it7ep7s
      @user-dm2it7ep7s 7 лет назад +3

      Walmarts don't do this for all their products, I've worked for a logistics company that contracts small trucking companies to bring shipments of Colgate products to Walmart locations in the last year

    • @Shredow2
      @Shredow2 7 лет назад +14

      A DSD is different from a trucking company carrying the product to the store. A DSD(Aka a vendor) owns the product and sells them to their group of stores(aka a "route). Its akin to a franchise owner of a restaurant.
      DSDs also stock the product themselves and work with the stores to coordinate displays.

  • @525Lines
    @525Lines 7 лет назад +84

    Food delivery is discouraged and the long-gone milkman used to deliver all kinds of other food. They want you in the store because you'll probably buy impulse items. The store is organized in a way to get you walking through as much of the store as possible.

    • @kaingates
      @kaingates 7 лет назад +3

      Why is food delivery discouraged? I used to until I became a student and couldn't afford it anymore.

    • @525Lines
      @525Lines 7 лет назад +16

      You can still get food delivery but it's not something you see from grocery stores. The money is made from impulse purchases. it's why the oil and the peanut butter are in the coffee aisle and not the cooking and jellies aisle, respectively. They want you in and rolling past all the extra junk. Getting essentials requires a mile walk through bakery village and deli town, etc.

    • @dragonborn5832
      @dragonborn5832 7 лет назад +3

      I wish there was more food delivery again because well it makes more jobs especially for young folks.

    • @NoahDVS
      @NoahDVS 7 лет назад

      +Dragonborn
      Near future delivery (including food) will be done by drones controlled by AIs.

    • @Jimm_y
      @Jimm_y 7 лет назад

      yep, this is why I shop online, I don't care about marketing I care about the nutrients of the food I buy and the price

  • @dave5194
    @dave5194 7 лет назад +135

    War...... war never changes...

  • @cat2556
    @cat2556 7 лет назад +115

    -with Generic bits
    -it is certainly a type of ice cream
    -it tastes OK

    • @TexelGuy
      @TexelGuy 6 лет назад +3

      Hey, that's pretty OK

    • @erroliima1
      @erroliima1 5 лет назад +2

      It’s pretty fine

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat 5 лет назад +2

      It is a food that you can insert in your mouth at will, certainly. (2nd box quote, this stuff is hilarious!)

  • @Nyxeme
    @Nyxeme 7 лет назад +85

    I suddenly have a craving for Generic Ice Cream...

  • @ggG-tz5km
    @ggG-tz5km 7 лет назад +259

    It's like gang territories
    Be careful you don't throw up signs in the wrong aisle

  • @JesseLH88
    @JesseLH88 7 лет назад +180

    How much did grey poupon have to pay in slotting fees?

  • @stanktatiousd7732
    @stanktatiousd7732 7 лет назад +143

    5 million to put candy in front of a store!? Dam I need that in front of my house

    • @stanktatiousd7732
      @stanktatiousd7732 7 лет назад +4

      sportster1988 omg that's awesome as hell. I couldn't eat a whole pack of M & Ms at once but I eat on them all day and will eventually eat a dozen packs lol. that is bar far the best place for candy in a store, kids will yell and scream for it and EVERYONE looks. just like with the little bags of jerky. I wonder how much they forked out for that space? it wasn't always there

    • @vespenevapor1348
      @vespenevapor1348 7 лет назад +2

      It's not worth it... the amount of idiots that you will attract is limitless.

  • @ilkeryoldas
    @ilkeryoldas 7 лет назад +256

    I know this very well thanks to Shark Tank

    • @Born2Prank1
      @Born2Prank1 7 лет назад +3

      which episode

    • @emyemyemyyyy
      @emyemyemyyyy 7 лет назад +1

      ilker yoldas was just thinking this haha

    • @emyemyemyyyy
      @emyemyemyyyy 7 лет назад +24

      sigurd sigurd All of them. They bring it up constantly. It's a huge hurdle

    • @ashleyshim2078
      @ashleyshim2078 7 лет назад +1

      ilker yoldas me too . I learned so much from that show lol

    • @ilkeryoldas
      @ilkeryoldas 7 лет назад +7

      sigurd sigurd any food/drink is another commodity with shelf price :)

  • @SitStandWalk
    @SitStandWalk 7 лет назад +801

    i am from europe, when i went to america i spent ten minutes walking up and down the aisles before i found any actual food! it was all processed cereals with blue bits, fake flavour crisps (chips) pop tarts. there was also an entire aisle just for multi coloured 'sports' drinks whose ingredients were sugar, flavouring, colour and e numbers. and were marketed At CHILDREN!

    • @timmholtt
      @timmholtt 7 лет назад +194

      Welcome to America!

    • @tenslider6722
      @tenslider6722 7 лет назад +21

      Welcome to the Nacirema ways of doing things.

    • @NoahDVS
      @NoahDVS 7 лет назад +107

      You know there's usually a produce section on the right side of stores right? The meat is usually somewhere in the back.

    • @instantsiv
      @instantsiv 7 лет назад +39

      Sit Stand Walk LIAR! Pretty much all grocery stores in my area has the produce and meat section right at the entrance. I think what happened is you entered the exit. Another thing... The European grocery store in my area has you walk thru all the processed foods first and puts produce and meats in the back corner.

    • @retsamcm
      @retsamcm 7 лет назад +96

      The real food you're talking about isn't in the aisles, it's around the perimeter.

  • @BagoGarde
    @BagoGarde 7 лет назад +43

    Truth is , you should not even be eating most of these garbage (soft drinks, ice cream, cookies, snacks) just stick to basic food!

    • @JNR22B
      @JNR22B 7 лет назад +6

      Bago Garde amen

    • @linusmlgtips2123
      @linusmlgtips2123 7 лет назад +6

      Bago Garde no go away

    • @BagoGarde
      @BagoGarde 7 лет назад +4

      No, all high sugar high fat processed food.

    • @jamesburgess2k
      @jamesburgess2k 7 лет назад +2

      Bago Garde but what about having a "cheat day"?

    • @jackjenkins5101
      @jackjenkins5101 7 лет назад +2

      truth is you need to take your tinfoil hat off and live life

  • @earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542
    @earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542 7 лет назад +30

    $30,000 for 350 stores, so only $86 per store? doesn't sound that bad.

    • @whywhy7634
      @whywhy7634 5 лет назад +3

      It does sound bad think about how much you have to sell to gain revenue.

    • @iamwhoiam8486
      @iamwhoiam8486 3 года назад

      @@whywhy7634 Yeah, and to think that the grocery store will also mark it up so they make some money on it as well.

  • @Mr.Legend_Speaks
    @Mr.Legend_Speaks 7 лет назад +15

    Now people will understand why their favorite product all the sudden disappeared. They didn't pay up.

    • @daddydiesel7177
      @daddydiesel7177 3 года назад +1

      😢 mine went away December 2019 I’ll never forget you

  • @LaLaLauradio
    @LaLaLauradio 7 лет назад +30

    wow!! ive never even thought about this thanks vox

  • @SkeleCrafteronYT
    @SkeleCrafteronYT 7 лет назад +121

    It's like Net Neutrality on shelves.

    • @GladiusTR
      @GladiusTR 4 года назад +1

      Actually NetNeutrality prevented this

  • @archievilliers5177
    @archievilliers5177 7 лет назад +60

    Not really capitalism if there is zero competition

    • @Swansen03
      @Swansen03 7 лет назад +2

      you can't have a real capitalism with multinational corporations. this is the global economy, not 'capitalism'.

    • @wind7519
      @wind7519 7 лет назад +4

      America's the biggest hypocrite I know. Explains why a "communist" country like China is doing a lot better and with Trump coming into office, well let's just say things aren't going to get any better.

    • @Swansen03
      @Swansen03 7 лет назад +3

      china isn't a communism... never has been, its always been totalitarian, still is now with similar overtone as the US. behind the scenes control giving people the illusions of choice. Also, is much more complicated than that, china isn't doing 'better' really. the global economy is a mess right now, has more or less been that way since 07-08

    • @rayres1074
      @rayres1074 7 лет назад +7

      There is competition. Which is roughly an unfair competition where the small guys have to put a lot of money against the big guys, that also put a lot of money.
      Is there anything more capitalistic than that?

    • @rustyshackelford6834
      @rustyshackelford6834 6 лет назад +1

      China depends on demand from our economy lol

  • @Belboz99
    @Belboz99 7 лет назад +57

    There's some really interesting things I've noticed with Generics... they frequently have very high-quality ingredients.
    I have health issues which require I avoid certain ingredients, such as food dyes... I've found that I can more frequently find foods with all natural coloring, flavoring, etc, in generic foods than in brand-name foods.... To a point... Some high-cost brand name foods also share these all-natural ingredients.
    I suspect that since generic foods are labeled under the store brand, but not made by the store's company, that many (not all of course) generics are made by high-quality brand name compnaies. Any over-production, or anything that doesn't meet a certain criteria of a high-standard, gets relabled as a generic to keep the standard of the name-brand high, and recoup some of the cost that was invested in a product which didn't meet those high standards.
    The other interesting one is sodas... You'll almost never find two main soda brands at the same restaurant. Some of this is due to distributor fees, and cutting costs by only having one distributor, but I wouldn't doubt there were some kind of non-compete agreements when signing on with one company to not sell another's.

    • @commentpost907
      @commentpost907 7 лет назад +3

      Have you any examples to compare? (just interested)

    • @BT-ex7ko
      @BT-ex7ko 7 лет назад +5

      I believe the purpose of having only 1 major soda brand at restaurants in most cases is due to more of a marketing approach than straight up cost cutting. Sort of like ad space, the brand of that soda line may actually pay the food service location to distribute only their product in the hopes that they gain customers by branding (you'll notice the major soda brand being supplied at the location always has its logo in a lot of other spots like the glasses, signs, clocks, etc.) and also by sheer sales of only their product in the location. Hard to lose money on an a marketing investment when your product is the only one being sold.
      Also you are correct mostly about the generic brands. Most store brands are typically made by another manufacturer, usually of a major brand name (of course usually dairy products are not, but that does vary store to store. I can say that a company I worked for does have most of its generic product produced by major brand labels.) Now I've never been involved in the actual manufacturing of generic products, but I have been to a manufacturing location and spoken with some people who have worked in canneries and the like that do produce generic foods and you are right in the fact that some are exactly the same product from what it seems. Some may have extra stuff added during the manufacturing process so I'm unsure. That I don't know.
      One trend I have been noticing is major brands (like UTZ for example is quite openly doing) seem to be producing high standard products under a generic name, but also with their branding somewhere on the package, like "Made for "Store Name" by UTZ". I'm assuming these products, since they are cheaper, are lower in production cost so in turn lower quality to a degree, but still higher quality than the base store brand products that they most likely still produce.

    • @Belboz99
      @Belboz99 7 лет назад +6

      B Randall My father once worked as quality control at a major vegetable cannery. One of the really interesting things he told me was that if they found a new production method and were able to cut costs, they wouldn't be able to sell them at the lower cost.
      People typically associate the price of a good with it's value, and when your can of peas is priced at $0.60 and your competitor's is at $0.75, since yours is the "cheaper" product it appears to the customer that it's both cheaper in cost *and* quality.
      This is the same reason the Linux OS has never charged for it's product... It knows any price below that of it's competitors (Windows and Apple) would be interpreted as lower value.
      That said, there is a certain percentage of consumers who buy the lowest cost, regardless... Creating a separate product line under a generic label is a great way to tap into that consumer group as well.
      I'm not sure how much is due to quality really. I'm fairly certain that frequently plays a role, but the cynic in me suspects that some of it is because due to scales of economy, the higher the volume of production, the lower the cost per product, that some high-quality labels do this because they can't sell high-volume at a high price point, but they need to run a high-volume to maintain efficient, cost-effective production. At that point, they're left with overproduction, and need to offset what they can't sell at a high-price with another product sold at a lower price.

    • @InTimeTraveller
      @InTimeTraveller 7 лет назад +1

      Btw that's not why Linux distros are free of cost (also there is no single one "Linux OS", there are multiple distributions based on the same kernel that have different things on top like package manager, GUI, etc.). The GNU General Public License (the software license under which Linux is distributed) states that anyone is free to view, modify or distribute the source code (as long as the distribution is done under the same license so that this freedom is maintained). So if everybody can view, modify it or redistribute it, then there's no point in charging anything for it because anybody can give it away for free. Also, if they charged anything for it, it would take away some of the freedom associated with it. Linux couldn't care less about comparing or competing with Windows or Mac, or about its interpreted value. Anyone who wants to use it can just use it. Anyone who doesn't want to, just doesn't use it. There's no gain or loss anyway.

  • @Slashplite
    @Slashplite 7 лет назад +616

    this is type of video I subscribed to. Find and report corruption or abuse of power

    • @joaomartins5114
      @joaomartins5114 7 лет назад +39

      I think you missed the point

    • @jamesburgess2k
      @jamesburgess2k 7 лет назад +8

      Slashplite they just find the corruption, but shows why it's impossible to get rid of it. Shedding light on how corruption is sometimes protected by laws/government

    • @lolwtnick4362
      @lolwtnick4362 7 лет назад +10

      it's not corrupt, it's just the laws of unintended consequences. you make rules and the results come out and then people say it isn't fair and try to circumvent them, when they made the rules to begin with

    • @jojo-pd4ii
      @jojo-pd4ii 7 лет назад +4

      Slashplite but vox was payed by the Hillary campaign

    • @NoahDVS
      @NoahDVS 7 лет назад +10

      +cosmic infinity
      I see a lot of people claiming anyone who supported Hillary was paid, but where's the evidence?

  • @Rakned
    @Rakned 7 лет назад +38

    Where did you get that Generic Ice Cream?

    • @Mediazzzzzz
      @Mediazzzzzz 7 лет назад +6

      at aldi

    • @njm92495
      @njm92495 7 лет назад +9

      Parker Sprague it's just photoshopped picture taped on an icecream jug...

    • @Rakned
      @Rakned 7 лет назад +5

      Astroxy That makes sense...
      but now i am sad : (

  • @salmonfish1145
    @salmonfish1145 7 лет назад +4

    You just made me question my innocent trips of me accompanying my mom to the grocery store.... something as innocent as that could even change. Wow Vox. Truly amazing even for something as simple as that.

  • @lynksis12
    @lynksis12 7 лет назад +26

    Fascinating stuff I never knew about!

  • @HumeanPiano
    @HumeanPiano 7 лет назад +229

    do we really need more war?

    • @TorquemadaTwist
      @TorquemadaTwist 7 лет назад +29

      whitepiano23
      It's like the song says "War, huh, good God, what is it good for? Bacon, eggs, and muffins!"

    • @GlobalAdventurer
      @GlobalAdventurer 7 лет назад +11

      ".......say it again...war, huh what is it good for....nothing...."😂

    • @HumeanPiano
      @HumeanPiano 7 лет назад +2

      Huỳnh Thiên Trung because grocery shelf space and life is the same war.

    • @lolwtnick4362
      @lolwtnick4362 7 лет назад +1

      uh yeah. that's how tech advances. aka cell phone technology. solutions come from problems not from peacefulness.

    • @Swansen03
      @Swansen03 7 лет назад +2

      "solutions come from problems not peacefulness" thats an oxymoron. thats when the most funding is provided. you are looking at the system without understanding it, really. if our society was different, there isn't any reason this 'progress' couldn't be achieved without 'crisis'... but thats not the scheme set up to let people run around hating and back stabbing each other.

  • @Zoki4444
    @Zoki4444 5 лет назад +7

    Sometimes I "accidentally" put a bottom shelf item on an eye-level shelf.
    Come and sue me, Nestle.

  • @masterimbecile
    @masterimbecile 7 лет назад +6

    This guy makes the best Vox videos. Getting him on the channel has been a very smart move, and I always look forward to any and all videos he makes on this channel.

  • @nathanaelcrawford
    @nathanaelcrawford 7 лет назад +98

    It tickles me that people don't know this... I grew up in this world.

    • @markuskorpela5531
      @markuskorpela5531 7 лет назад +44

      All new to me... Hope that tickles. ;)

    • @nachochips8090
      @nachochips8090 7 лет назад

      it's all about that Mon hon

    • @guentherhunter
      @guentherhunter 7 лет назад +19

      Nathanael Crawford
      (in Bain voice) You only adopted the back room dealing. I was born it! Formed by it! I didn't make an earnest offer til I was a grown man.

    • @markuskorpela5531
      @markuskorpela5531 7 лет назад

      XD

    • @nathanaelcrawford
      @nathanaelcrawford 7 лет назад

      I literally thought this after I hit the OK button. Thank you for making me chuckle xD

  • @Davidvp
    @Davidvp 7 лет назад +4

    Great video! Always nice to see quality videos, thanks Vox.

  • @jamesburgess2k
    @jamesburgess2k 7 лет назад +227

    Funny that many big businesses don't realize that brand loyalty/word of mouth is more powerful that locations on shelfs.

    • @dsdockmaster
      @dsdockmaster 7 лет назад +111

      Location in shelfs are really important when it comes to non loyal customers who change brands regularly. Ultimately there is a definite advantage and every business would fight for it.

    • @jamesburgess2k
      @jamesburgess2k 7 лет назад +3

      Thiaghu Rajan yea, not every person only buys one product. I just don't understand why giant companies who seem to have a monopoly on goods pay so much for placement.

    • @JoseRamirez-yh2ll
      @JoseRamirez-yh2ll 7 лет назад +7

      James Burgess I wouldn't necessary say it's more powerful. It can appeal to some with preferred brand. But if you go and all you see is Coca-Cola everywhere and in the far corner it's Pepsi you might get tempted to get cola could be Cuz the shelf looked nicer or the Pepsi looked just slightly dusty. it's true. major corporations push on other companies though they just naturally control the market

    • @MegaKaitouKID1412
      @MegaKaitouKID1412 7 лет назад +12

      If someone is going to buy it anyway, it doesn't matter where it is.
      But if someone wasn't, it certainly does.
      I work a checkout, I hear a customer tell me that they only came in for one item despite the pile of groceries they now have... at least 3 or 4 times an hour. And that's one checkout, for one shift-- of people who actually say it.

    • @perc3032
      @perc3032 7 лет назад

      Jose Ramirez
      .

  • @ajrosello4299
    @ajrosello4299 7 лет назад +3

    Great informational video!!!! I love Vox they take things that would generally be considered boring and turn into the most interesting things on RUclips! Thank you Vox.

  • @slimealive2553
    @slimealive2553 3 года назад +4

    You know it’s time to sleep when your watching these types of videos

  • @stewiegriffin3017
    @stewiegriffin3017 6 лет назад +19

    This seems similar to Net Neutrality, the ISP being the grocery store and major companies paying up which maybe a relativtely insignificant amount to them but a very significant amount for the newcomer and startups.

  • @Lucy-ng7cw
    @Lucy-ng7cw 7 лет назад +90

    Basically monopolies are inevitable without proper regulation.

  • @fintanmcguinness2422
    @fintanmcguinness2422 7 лет назад +318

    Is this true in the U.K.?

    • @Vox
      @Vox  7 лет назад +264

      Generally speaking, this is true in the UK and Australia. This Economist article, linked in my article above, gives a decent international overview of slotting fees. Basically, the same arguments for and against extend to other countries: www.economist.com/news/business/21654601-supplier-rebates-are-heart-some-supermarket-chains-woes-buying-up-shelves
      -Phil

    • @samanthablackman4960
      @samanthablackman4960 7 лет назад +26

      Vox wow I never knew this

    • @Prigozhyn227
      @Prigozhyn227 7 лет назад +5

      How about in India?

    • @adrianpura5771
      @adrianpura5771 7 лет назад +7

      If you want to check if it is true in your country you will have to check in your's antitrust/free competitive laws in your country, look especially for terms "Unfair commercial practices"

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 7 лет назад +2

      Probably even more so, supermarkets over here do more own brand products.

  • @braddyboy82
    @braddyboy82 7 лет назад +5

    In any given grocery store, you have aisles and aisles of goods. End caps. Displays. Overhead overstock. Etc. Etc. Etc. If you want to put a new product out, no problem, you can always find space.
    But there's only a couple aisles in the freezer section. And freezers are expensive to buy, maintain, and run. They are operating 24/7 at full blast and have their own lighting system. It's a finite space both width and depth. It only makes sense that grocery stores would implement these prices. The grocery store is fronting the cost of the freezers and the utilities and the space is very limited to showcase products. Grocery stores run on very small margins and I doubt they're making a fortune on these fees -- they're just trying to make up the difference on products that are very expensive to display.

  • @Fungamerplays
    @Fungamerplays 7 лет назад +4

    "It's not about the products" That's the voice I am going to hear in all my nightmares from now on

  • @ericsu0630
    @ericsu0630 6 лет назад +3

    Almost every Vox video ever:
    Part 1: "Here's a problem in society that you didn't know about."
    Part 2: "Here's a study that proves it."
    Part 3: "Basically, the problem is caused by corporate greed."

  • @audreytrammell1994
    @audreytrammell1994 7 лет назад +2

    They really do so great on editing their videos, that and providing as much proof as they can fit.

  • @Balthazar0Jeffrey
    @Balthazar0Jeffrey 7 лет назад +3

    Funniest bit about this is that for years companies paid to have their products at eye level, only to find out decades later that the ''grab level' is just above elbow height

  • @azioprism3635
    @azioprism3635 7 лет назад +17

    *Vox doing great videos this year, keep it up.*

  • @nachiketmalpathak9039
    @nachiketmalpathak9039 4 года назад +2

    I work in the FMCG industry in India, and this happens even here. Even in corner stores, premium shelf-space is sold for a price.

  • @flarinflint
    @flarinflint 7 лет назад +1

    Good to be bck to the informative playlists :) Keep it up Vox!

  • @diegoraigoza2050
    @diegoraigoza2050 7 лет назад +51

    Slotting prices raise prices because then the company can raise their prices a lot and the retailer won't be able to do anything about it because that company already paid the slotting fee.
    PS The consumer also has to pay the slotting fee in case you forgot.

    • @herrmannmunster
      @herrmannmunster 7 лет назад +13

      Couldn't you argue that if slotting fees were removed, retailers would have less money so they'd have to raise prices of products anyway to keep their profits up?

    • @alkenrinnstet
      @alkenrinnstet 7 лет назад

      I'm afraid you're stupid.

  • @123rockfan
    @123rockfan 7 лет назад +3

    I'll never look at a grocery aisle the same way ever again

  • @JDsVarietyChannel
    @JDsVarietyChannel 7 лет назад +43

    I used to work at dollar general for 5 years and used planograms to help set up new displays. =D Now I work for myself and am a part time RUclipsr. Don't miss my day job one bit! =D

  • @droptozro
    @droptozro 7 лет назад +7

    This isn't news, or surprising if you understand retail at all. Paying for that "impulse spot" at checkout will necessarily cost more, because you're stuck in line and you may give more thought to buying that candy bar or drink.

    • @CrazyRandomLord
      @CrazyRandomLord 7 лет назад +4

      No one's doubting that it makes sense to charge more for better spots, the thing that's hard to believe is that the space is actually for sale. I just always assumed that it was at the discretion of the store owner, so it's at least news to me.

  • @michaelwilliams117
    @michaelwilliams117 7 лет назад +4

    The fight in the bread aisle is tough!

  • @PixelMstr
    @PixelMstr 4 года назад +7

    This mans really just pronounced the s in “controversial”

  • @kevincastillo8642
    @kevincastillo8642 7 лет назад +2

    Literally my favorite type of vox videos

  • @learncat9182
    @learncat9182 7 лет назад +1

    As an associate that has worked at Walgreens for almost two years- all of this is just confirmed thoughts that I had previously.Week after week our store gets updates on products that move to the front of the store and product displays that get put out.Ever wonder why stores will move shelving around every once in a while? Its to adhere to calculated product selling rates and bought product placement. Every few months our cosmetic wall gets rearranged- and our regional manager will make sure that it is placed correctly. Companies will buy endcaps and sidepanels (and also sell the store coupons to give to customers) and we must follow them.I had previously thought that they just liked to freshen things up so the shelving can get cleaned more regularly and bad products can get trashed until of of my top managers was talking about how L'oreal had bought a massive section of the store and we had to adhere to it.

    • @r0bw00d
      @r0bw00d 7 лет назад

      "Ever wonder why stores will move shelving around every once in a while? Its to adhere to calculated product selling rates and bought product placement."
      I hate it when they do that. Every time a store does that I have to waste time finding something when I previously knew exactly where it was.

  • @infraredplayer
    @infraredplayer 7 лет назад +34

    IT'S NEST-LEE?!?! ALL THIS TIME I THOUGHT IT WAS NES-TLE

    • @peeps0i
      @peeps0i 7 лет назад +6

      It's not EE, it's nes-lay

    • @peeps0i
      @peeps0i 7 лет назад

      ***** so how is gourmet pronounced??

    • @theyruinedyoutubeagain
      @theyruinedyoutubeagain 7 лет назад

      ***** I was being facetious, the correct English pronunciation is what you'd expect. But the proper, French pronunciation is quite different, see here (click the 'Listen' icon) translate.google.com/#fr/en/gourmet

    • @infraredplayer
      @infraredplayer 7 лет назад

      So it's nes-deen?

    • @Simboiss
      @Simboiss 7 лет назад +7

      Everything in English is pronounced ashwra-la-bing-bang.

  • @dirtypure2023
    @dirtypure2023 7 лет назад +73

    Anyone have the link to the C-SPAN broadcast used near the beginning of the video?

    • @Vox
      @Vox  7 лет назад +53

      Here it is: www.c-span.org/video/?152059-1/grocery-stores-product-fees
      -Phil

    • @dirtypure2023
      @dirtypure2023 7 лет назад +4

      Awesome, thank you Vox​

    • @dirtypure2023
      @dirtypure2023 7 лет назад +9

      Vox How do you decide on and prioritize your topics? Sometimes they seem so out of left field (albeit always interesting).

    • @TheDavidLiou
      @TheDavidLiou 7 лет назад +13

      by slotting them, haha

    • @SeaTolli22
      @SeaTolli22 7 лет назад

      nerd

  • @wesam6676
    @wesam6676 3 года назад +1

    Worked in a pharmacy for a month
    Had the honour seeing the sunsilk guy beat up the head and and shoulders guy for taking a single column

  • @abstractnoun123
    @abstractnoun123 7 лет назад +1

    Would really love to know how you guys go about your research. It's quite comprehensive and yet easy to understand.

  • @wszyscyzginiemy7844
    @wszyscyzginiemy7844 7 лет назад +17

    Who's that guy on the ice cream box

    • @TorquemadaTwist
      @TorquemadaTwist 7 лет назад +47

      wszyscyzginiemy
      I'm wondering that too. I'd buy that ice cream just based on his picture. His face says "I keep it simple. I mean, do I look like the kinda guy who can come up with artificial flavors?"

    • @kekkocheng
      @kekkocheng 7 лет назад +10

      Probably a stock photo.

  • @nirvanachile24
    @nirvanachile24 7 лет назад +3

    What's the problem? The manufacturers consent to pay. They CONSENT. Government agencies don't get to intervene just because they don't understand what the charge is for.

  • @malebitsatimbuktu3352
    @malebitsatimbuktu3352 5 лет назад +1

    It dawned on me last night that there was this shelf war taking place behind the products and this helped affirm my belief

  • @Laurel5544
    @Laurel5544 7 лет назад

    I work at a grocery store and while I don't work in inventory, I do know we take recommendations from actual customers on products they want to see (even certain brands in certain sizes. For example an obscure root beer brand we sell came only in 2 liters. A customer asked our manager to bring it in different sizes, and we actually complied

  • @tyorca5854
    @tyorca5854 7 лет назад +10

    Where can I get generic ice cream?

  • @HNRichard
    @HNRichard 7 лет назад +4

    Danggg, after watching this video I learned something..
    ...there's a frozen and refrigerated magazine? I'm curious of what articles it may have inside, and also other magazines with the same topic lol

    • @HNRichard
      @HNRichard 7 лет назад

      BoogerDeluxe22 it's not a retarded question tho -,-
      I really do mean that, i didn't know that such magazine exists.

  • @guppy8073
    @guppy8073 7 лет назад +1

    Who edits these videos?!? Your video quality is fantastic.

  • @EM-mc8pd
    @EM-mc8pd 5 лет назад +2

    All this and grocery stores won’t demand plastic free products....

  • @adtc
    @adtc 7 лет назад +9

    where can I find generic ice cream?

  • @RussianBot69420
    @RussianBot69420 7 лет назад +4

    tbh $30,000 for 350 stores is not that much if you're trying to start a major business

  • @tallestGirafffe
    @tallestGirafffe 7 лет назад

    I really enjoy these types of interesting videos, with no agenda attached.

  • @avannas4016
    @avannas4016 3 года назад

    I absolutely ADORE the Fable style music!

  • @KittySYT
    @KittySYT 7 лет назад +5

    I saw this WAR in the Sausage Party movie, and It ended with an orgy. :(

  • @josephdouglas5242
    @josephdouglas5242 7 лет назад +18

    I don't get what the problem is. If it was a government organization who made these laws the line the pockets of a few individuals, I'd get the controversy. But these are private companies who's goal is to make a profit, and can determine the best way to do that all by themselves. You said yourselves in the video that some stores don't do it. They decided that it's in their interest to do things differently. If it was really that horrible and inefficient, companies would stop or risk going under.

    • @FelipeMartinez-bd8zr
      @FelipeMartinez-bd8zr 7 лет назад +7

      Joseph Douglas every industry needs to be regulated. It's not about how much money can I make, but how they make it. Just because they can doesn't mean it's right.

    • @michaellovejoy139
      @michaellovejoy139 7 лет назад +5

      Movies used to show millisecond shots of sodas and popcorn, so the subliminal part of your brain would make you crave them, and make you hungry for them. The government stopped it after they deemed that it was wrong, because it made people subconsciously buy your product, essentially losing your free will. It's things like this that make the companies have to be regulated.

    • @fatal510
      @fatal510 7 лет назад +1

      it's literally extortion.

    • @JuddMan03
      @JuddMan03 7 лет назад

      LittleBill902 more like rent.

    • @jmiquelmb
      @jmiquelmb 7 лет назад +5

      When we're talking about any market, the important issue is in which way is good for the economy and the common interest, and private benefit goes second. All western countries work on some kind of free entreprise/government control mix, based on the idea that it's the best system on their societies.
      The common assumption is that, if a market is working properly, then it's not neccessary to regulate it. But it's very common to see markets where some antieconomic practices are common. Then some regulation could be necessary.
      On this case: some people argue that this is an additional cost that affects much more small firms than the large long established corporations like Unilever or Nestle. If that's true, then we're talking about an entry barrier, which limits competition. It's good for the big corporations(as they can be more comfortable and raise prices), but not for the general consumer, who has less choice, and pays more for the same.
      Is this true for this case? Who knows. But I guess you can understand now why is not so easy

  • @nicholaspannes6899
    @nicholaspannes6899 6 лет назад

    I may disagree with some of the viewpoints expressed on this channel, but the quality is astounding and very informative a lot of the time. I keep coming back to watch, so whatever you're doing is working, Vox

  • @Spudy-
    @Spudy- 7 лет назад

    Working at a grocery store myself, I have wondered about stuff like this, great vid :)

  • @sdauz
    @sdauz 7 лет назад +4

    No wonder Aldi does soo well with all of their generic brands

  • @heartofvanillaice7443
    @heartofvanillaice7443 7 лет назад +18

    None of you are first.

    • @atodorov
      @atodorov 7 лет назад

      Not in the grand scheme of things they're not. For sure.

    • @DD-qe6uk
      @DD-qe6uk 7 лет назад +1

      HeartOfVanilla Ice MY NAME IS NINOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

    • @AndrewRock3431
      @AndrewRock3431 7 лет назад

      Sex

  • @MRnkore
    @MRnkore 7 лет назад

    Great new information. Subscribed :)

  • @forty0seven0times33
    @forty0seven0times33 7 лет назад

    Great video journalism. Keep it up.

  • @interestingcommentbut....7378
    @interestingcommentbut....7378 7 лет назад +6

    Stop supporting big corporations and buy locally and from small business/retailers!

  • @gravit8ed
    @gravit8ed 7 лет назад +3

    As a delivery driver stopping at several grocery chain stores daily, I would like to mention to the folks here that often - in fact, standard - practice is that delivery drivers or vendors 'merchandise' their companies products. So, essentially, the argument that it costs the grocery chain money to place these products on their shelves is bullshit. Chips, beer, wine, candy and soda - all these employ burly dudes driving big trucks who do - literally - the work of the part-time stock clerks. Then they climb into their trucks and haul ass to their next stop.

    • @Shredow2
      @Shredow2 7 лет назад +3

      And, as a part time stock clerk I'll tell you right now that the majority of items in a grocery store aren't DSDed but come from the distribution center and are stocked by us. So, yes putting an item into a grocery store costs money.

  • @7b7BenGazing
    @7b7BenGazing 5 лет назад +1

    I work night-crew at a Safeway. It helps that stuff is categorized on the aisles so we can spot the items easily. I will agree though that we need more variety in product brands on the shelf.

  • @felixkjornsberg
    @felixkjornsberg 3 года назад +1

    this is why Vox is a successful youtube channel. They report things you wouldnt never know about and they make it short but packed with information.
    oh and they tend to not be just political or involved in such industries

  • @hh481
    @hh481 7 лет назад +6

    What I don't get is at all the stores I go to there are aisles for product groups eg dairy and then there there are different types for each section butter. But the staff there just put stuff up where ever they can in that section. I doubt they are given such strict instruction to say exactly where everything should go

    • @ZachHall
      @ZachHall 7 лет назад +6

      But they are.
      Lived with the Dairy Manager at a big-chain grocery store. He had a map of where each product needed to go and how much space they needed to take up. Not only was he in charge of making sure they had enough product to sell, but he also had to make sure that they had enough product to fill up the space the product's maker had paid for.

    • @MN121MN
      @MN121MN 7 лет назад +3

      Harry Haynes Actually, they should've done so. What it means is that they might be reprimanded for not doing it "correctly".

    • @scribbles9907
      @scribbles9907 7 лет назад +6

      I'm guessing the people you saw weren't following company policies. I study business and I can assure you this is something businesses take very seriously. There are people in retail companies whose entire job is to decide how every single inch of every single store is going to be utilized. Misusing a foot of space can cost a business thousands of dollars.

    • @trollzynisaacjohan1793
      @trollzynisaacjohan1793 7 лет назад +1

      Harry Haynes they not doing their job properly and being lazy

  • @44absol
    @44absol 7 лет назад +8

    so how long until nestle copyrights the concept of being evil and starts sapping money from other evil companies for violating it?

    • @olddoggeleventy2718
      @olddoggeleventy2718 7 лет назад +1

      i doubt that you would remember this or even know of it.....N-E-S-T-L-E-S..nestles makes the very best....CHooOOC>>late. .. it was an old t.v. commercial from a long time ago, done by a couple of puppets the guy that operated those puppets invented an artificial heart. amazing what can happen with the power of chocolate. i know ..no one cares

  • @kihunipunk
    @kihunipunk 5 лет назад

    Speaking as someone who works in retail in Africa, I can confirm that this is pretty accurate. Great video, Vox. This content is the reason why I'm glad to be a subscriber.

  • @Melissa0774
    @Melissa0774 7 лет назад +4

    The voice scrambling makes that woman sound like Lisa Simpson.

  • @shoulders-of-giants
    @shoulders-of-giants 7 лет назад +4

    That's all not food. Those are drugs.

  • @paolomntlbn
    @paolomntlbn 7 лет назад

    I really enjoyed watching the camera on the grocery cart in the panning shots reflected on the glass of the ice cream refrigerators. 😂

  • @rc2884
    @rc2884 7 лет назад +1

    Shark Tank taught me that the frozen food aisle is the most expensive shelf space of a grocery store

  • @angelrodartejr.9948
    @angelrodartejr.9948 7 лет назад +3

    Big ice cream ain't getting my money! NO NO NO.................
    ...but I'll still get chocolate..............and cookies and cream...........