Sitting at Least 45 Years In A Barn, Pre War Elgin Cycle engine.
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2022
- while visiting a friend he told me about some old engines he got while cleaning out his god fathers house. they were there for over 45 years in one spot in unknown condition, lets see if they will come back to life with some TLC.
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So, these engines came from my dads uncle (my godfather). I was talking to my dad over the weekend, and he said that when he was very young (he is 76 now), he had a wooden go-cart, and that Uncle Al had a small engine that they put on it. He said that there was no clutch. Just a wooden lever that pushed an idler against a drive belt to tighten it to make it go. He thinks that one of these engines was it. I'm sure that Uncle Al is smiling down upon you watching you getting it running again. I'm looking forward to see if you give the other one a go. Thanks so much Mustie!
Very cool, Sam. From the age when everyone who owned an outboard was a small engine mechanic, just out of necessity. How many mechanics got their start keeping those kinds of go-carts running, I wonder. These days, they just get battery-powered lawn buggies, and grow up to buy Teslas!
@@Cap10VDO wow. That's cool to hear the history. Thanks. 👍
SO Happy they didn't go to the scrap yard... Your God Father lives on while there are still memories of him... Love stories like this...
Thanks Sam:) The story behind these motors make it that much cooler:)
This video makes me smile! I can't wait for him to build a bike for this one!
One of my favorite things about this channel is how Mustie talks "to you" instead of "at you". It kind of puts you there, hanging out while he fixes stuff.
Agreed. It's a bit of a personal touch. "I'll just set you up here." "Remember it was the second hole on the lever, I'll be checking with you later." "I bet you are all yelling at me right now because I forgot something" etc etc. Very entertaining and very interesting videos. I'm loving them. We don't see snow blowers in Australia. 😆
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Mustie always has plenty of misc. items on his bench for these little engines to knock onto the floor. Love it!!!
Thank you, Mustie, for not loading your channel up with advertisement so many channels have ruined themselves with advertisement.
It's a proven fact that starting Sunday mornings with mustie1 makes your day a little better for over a hr!! 😜
Independent studies agree!
No better way to start a Sunday morning.
The instant the video ends, the anticipation for the next one begins......
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Good morning from Nova Scotia, Canada... three generators, snowblower and a lawn mower live because of you... :)
Where in Nova Scotia are you , I am watching too in Dartmouth.
I love the way the tools are dancing on the workbench.
And this type of engine always reminds me of the film “Lady and the tramp”!
That put, put, put is fairly iconic!
The battery powered hand drill is far more powerful than the 100 year old engine could ever be!
1930s Elgin sold by Sears was most often mounted over the front wheel. $69.95 for the motor only. If you could find the bike they should fetch $2k++ depending on condition etc.. fairly certain that the engine was made buy Muncie gear works, Muncie Indiana. Some were made as Muncie Cycle Motors and others were badged as Elgin Cycle Motors for Sears/Roebuck. Muncie was the manufacturer of Muncie Outboard motors and Neptune Outboards. Even the crankcase output housing is the same as the outboard. 1932 -1935 was also the hey-day for Muncie as they went full bore to overcome the need brought on by the earlier Depression (were still recovering till 34-35.) It likely has the 1.5 hp innards and carburation is similar if not same as the outboard. Eisemann was the ignition manufacturer.
That's close to $2,000 in today's dollars, adjusting for inflation
Thank you for sharing ur time n that info
Mustie1 Glade some things never change over time. I have been watching your channel almost from the beginning and I got to say. Your channel is great full of entertainment and a few jokes here and there. Currently I'm back watching your 2018 video on the antique honda trials. I pick a few odds and ends around the house myself to tinker with and your videos come as a set by set on how to go about , well a great starting place on where to look first. This channel makes me look for items on offer up that I would never think I should take on. Saving old engines/ bikes/ even a floor fan is a great little hobby that keeps me out of my wife's hair. So, thanks for what you do. and for the viewers out there. Do you go back and watch the older videos as I started to do again?🚜🏍🚙
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Be sure to watch the videos about Think Twice, Mustie's master piece.
Who is Glade?
I actually like the old ones from his home garage. So informative lon taking carburetors apart. Thanks
Yes I do. Some are good enough and educational enough, worth multiple viewings.
I Love that LAUGH !!!
Spit spit sputter sputter then W.A.O. !!! Then the CHUCKLE ! He runs the camera around and , "Ya see that right there..." or "do ya see one?...as he shines his light in a toolbox full of old pipe fittings and scans with the camera. He makes it sound and feel like he's talking to me...and sometimes I catch myself answering him! You're Amazing, Mustie1 !!! I haven't seen ANYTHING that you haven't been able to get running!
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I laugh every time one comes to life and starts shaking the hell outta the bench and stuff starts moving and flying around.
Good little motor, glad to see it working again!! Well done.
I'm thinking Mustie needs a dedicated engine stand of some sort. Because that bench rattle is a recurring theme.
Just a bit of trivia, I live 10 miles from the original Elgin in Scotland, the "g" part is pronounced like "g" in "gum". Tourists get it wrong all the time! Haha
It is a friction drive. I looked it up on google and I seen several and on Elgin bicycles. It sat on the front tire. The engine mount was huge. The only bad part was they had to cut the front fender to use it.
Back in the sixties I had a friend who had one, just drop it down on the front tire and it goes. I thought it was so cool. it was old then.
Always enjoy reviving the old stuff. Simpler times, American made 🇺🇸
Back in the 1930's when a kid would've put that motor on his bike, houses didn't have A/C so windows would be wide open in the summer. I bet he was real popular buzzing up and down Maple Street when folks were trying to listen on the radio to hear Wes Ferrell pitch a winning game at Fenway.
The Elgin engine sat over the front wheel of a bicycle on a rack much like a front basket I believe it was a turn of the century invention and phased out for the small moped kind cool video
Like a solex bike
@@manovanbommel3182 yeah I believe so seems sketchy by today's standards but if it worked back in this current climate it may make a massive come back lol
It's amazing that you can find things still laying around for so long and get to work
Fantastic 👍🇨🇦
Ya really be nice finding couple of old girlfriends just laying around right about now!
Old? Young!
Very cool! I cannot believe that mini truck is running👍👍👍
Always fun watching MUSTIE Playing with TOYS
Mustie has a very contagious laugh 😂 whenever the old lil motor gives some signs of life and he laughs he makes me laugh as well , and im sure im not the only one 😂 ... The best educational and the best teacher on RUclips , god bless you Mustie
Hello Darrin. My Dad had an engine on the back of his bicycle during the early to mid 1950s. This was Dad's only means of transport around town here in New Zealand as we were a poor family and unable to afford a car. I think the engine was British made and called a 'Cyclaid', 49cc and was magneto ignition. The throttle was a lever on the handle bars and the engine was mounted behind the riders seat with a long belt from the engine to the rear wheel frame. As teenagers my brothers and i had a lot of fun on Dads bike, sometimes. Bob. NZ.
Had a visit from the COVID fairy this week. To say that the hour+ just spent watching this has been the highlight of my week is something of an understatement…
WICO was Witherbee Igniter Company, one of the first manufacturers of miner's electric cap lamps.
Eisemann were known for making magnetos for internal combustion engines, they were used by Buick, Dodge Brothers, Caterpillar and White Trucks and more, the also made the magneto for gas powered bicycles and some other small engines.
I imagine there are a lot of stories that begin with “When I was a kid……” associated with a motor like the Elgin and a bicycle….me included. If you can find seals and repair the fuel leak it might run decent enough to use. I enjoyed this video as I do all of the Mustie1 series.👍👍👍
I was hoping it would run good enough to see it mounted on a bicycle, some handlebars a bracket hanging off them with the weight of the motor pushing the wheel on the motor onto the front wheel. If the wheel on the motor is around 3" then for every 10 rpm we should get 1 wheel rpm. Each Rotation of a bicycle wheel might be around 7 1/2' so if the engine is running 1000 RPM it should go 8 1/2 MPH
Elgin started making bikes in 1890. They make bikes for Sears and Roebuck. Made them up to the mid 60's. Motors were an option
90 year's Mustie got it to pop again with a Chuckle!!! )
One thing to remember when checking spark is that spark can be strong when testing out of the head but when under compression the spark is not sufficient to ignite the fuel/air charge and it will break down. This is especially true on 2 strokes where spark plug oil/fuel fouling or poor sealing (e.g. the crank seal) is more of an issue than 4 strokes. If the coil or condenser are marginal, the higher resistance from being under compression or fouled out will kill spark. Those Tillotson carbs sure are a piece of work, to put it nicely. Glad to see her running again.
One of the other items a two stroke sort of needs is a muffler or exhaust; part of the "charge" from the crankcase comes out with the exhaust, and the back pressure from the muffler "pushes" it back in. I had a '66 Larson Eagle snowmobile with a 250cc JLO, so I got to know Tillotson diaphragm carbs quite well...
It took me screaming the entre video for you to hear some of my issues.
1)When you file the points CLEAN off the filings and don't over gap the points.
1.5) Replace the plug wire with anything that conducts electricity and clean the plug.
2) 2-strokes need some backpressure ... reinstall the exhaust!
3)The damn kill wire is bouncing off the vice and it is f-ing with my pacemaker!
4) I lost my voice...never mind.
I like the idea of keeping the "Japanese Kei truck" on the road, no matter what engine you put in it!!
M1's tenacity and a Milwaukee battery pack for the win 👍
Mustie1 is definitely the “Engine Whisperer”. I enjoy and always learn something new from you Sir!
As an Elginite, I wonder if this was made by the Elgin Cycle and Sewing Machine Company, a spinoff of the Elgin Watch Company. Elgin, IL exists solely because it was created by the Watch Company to house its employees and operations. Elgin Street Sweepers are also fairly prolific, having been in business since 1914.
I was wondering if this was related to the watch folks from back in the day....I didn't know they made engines.
The Elgin "Pelican" street sweeper. Named that because the bin that held all the sand and debris was like a Pelican's (the bird) throat.
@@sumplais I can't be sure Elgin (the Company) had anything to do with this engine, but Elgin DID make bicycles for a time. It's possible that they contracted an engine maker or that the engine maker was attempting to cash in on the name. Elgin was pretty significant at the time this would have been made.
Maybe Elgin was a name like ACME ?
@@kellyrjohnson7693 I did a little googling and what it seems to me is this is an Eisemann motor (Eisemann Magneto Corp, New York, NY) made for an Elgin bicycle. Elgin Cycle and Sewing Machine (Elgin, Il) was a spinoff of the watch company, but they stopped making them in 1905 if I understand the history. Sears continued selling bikes under the Elgin name from the 20s to after WW2, but these bikes were made by Murray Ohio Manufacturing and Westfield Manufacturing. After the war, Sears changed the name of the bikes to J.C. Higgins.
Mustie1 I remember when I was a younger man, I was brought up in Elgin and remember the Elgin bike shop that made them Elgin Scotland,, these engines are worth slot of money,,,,,, wicked
brother you are the perfect guy for these projects. it's fun to watch. keep them coming
Good morning Mustie1, thanks for having us at the shop! Love the excitement you get when an engine fires up for you, never gets old. Not sure if you can get it to run smooth enough for a bike build, that would be cool. Thanks for the update on the mini-truck too.
Lack of compression due to the spark plug being too loose seen it misting out of the hole from around the spark plug a few times. I know you don't usually tighten it all the way up because it's taken on and off so many times but on that particular engine I think it needs to be tightened all the way Other than that your videos are awesome thanks for the content.
I agree with this so much! Yelling at the damn screen!
Hehe yeah, probably it wasn't showing as much from his point of view. From the camera it was clear there was a massive leak from the spark plug.
Of course my girl friend notices mustie's barn door being open, and not the mastery of an old world motor revival. 😂
What a classic, my parents used to ride small motor bikes in the 30's before the war.
WICO would be just the mag/coil set up, I have several Wisconsin engines with WICO mags as well as a Reo engine
The old John Deere 2 cylinder engines frequently used Wico magnetos
This has to be one of the best and most entertaining videos I've seen in a while. It's like Laurel and Hardy mixed with Charlie Chaplin, and a whole lot of Mustie Keaton. I just loved watching the bits flying off that bench as our aponymous hero casually continues as though nothing was happening behind him.
Now, if you want to see this kind of motor in use, just watch the open sequence of "Three Days of The Condor" as Robert Redford rides to work with one of these type of motors perched on the front of his bicycle, or for the comedy element, watch "Mr Bean's Holiday" - The bit where the French guy comes a puttering down the road as Rowan Atkinson tries thumbing a lift. Same engine set up, and the same pop pop popping sound.
I remember seeing quite a few of these style of engines in the 1960s, which had been retrofitted on pedal cycles. They weren't built for speed, but definitely gave a flagging cyclist a bit of a boost, and a much extended range, and as my dad said, "...IF you could get the buggers to run!...". So it would seem they weren't any too reliable even then!
Wasn't there a "Maytag" engine, that was made specifically for powering domestic appliances? Or as I still remember, little engines by Singer, or AManCo and so many others.
Seriously is there anything you can’t fix. You have a gift oooh great one. Thanks for taking us along, as always.
Reminded me of my dad in the 1970 trying t get a mobile welding plant running on PROPANE [or ProPAIN ;-)) ] without knowing what the hell he was doing ;-)
It never did succeed , the mobile welder was the size of a small car.
Also back in the 1960 when there was a petrol shortage he ran his car on 50% paraffin mix, rough as hell and no good on hills near where we lived in the West riding of Yorkshire in the UK.
I wondered how long before you would take it off that floppy wood stand. I was swearing at it long before you clamped the engine in the vice. Great fun!
Once again bringing some good things back to life. LETS GO MUSTIE1
Fun video! couple good chuckles .... I'm 72 .... as old as the engine ... I'm running but a little rough like the engine .... one more time!
Lets try again the new stuff Now days wouldn't be running next year never mind 90 years from now I had a 1966 Doge with a slant 6 in it that would still be running if the body hadn't rotted out love the video and look forward to Sunday mornings
Those are great little engined that would have mounted on the front of an elgin bicycle
Made by Muncie
Already ate the breakfast sandwich but I'm still working on that type of coffee. Got to admit within our country over the years particularly in the early years of engines we have had some very interesting internal combustion machines made by a whole bunch of different companies.
I'll bet the Farm it was a Vegan breakfast sammich 😁🥯 blech 🙄
@@carminemurphy4836 Ham/egg/cheese/ mayo/ honey cracked wheat. A descendant of meat eaters dating back 158 years before the 1776 War to to the 1620 maiden voyage of the Mayflower. Sorry you lost your farm.😁
I always look forward to "All right, one last time...." The machines always seems to rise to the challenge when you say this.
Watching that thing shoot sparks and wreak absolute havoc on your bench at the end there is just the smile I needed today.
2-strike engine from that time period needs a lot of oil in the gasoline, 10 % at least. I am Happy every time i heard the sound of an old engine. Regards Stig Österberg from Dalsbruk in Finland.
20:1 ratio.
I absolutely love musties old engine revivals. Thank you for all the hard work Mr. Mustie. You’re videos are always a great start to a Sunday.
Listening to grown man giggle every time she fired never gits old awesome 👌
Lovely. Visions of the French parish priest or the village spinster wobbling down the track with the engine popping and banging. 👍
Elgin made lots of stuff. I bought an Elgin boat when I was a teen that my friends dad built in '58. Had a practically brand new 58 Johnson 35hp on it.
I love when you get these antique engines running. LOL I find myself rooting for them. "Come on! You can do it!" LOL And thanks for the update on the mini-truck at the end. For some reason, I like that little guy.
Absolutely Awesome!
God bless you is right!
New colors? Shiny black all with large flowing slightly burnt American
Flags painted on the sides.
Blow them Fellers Minds!
I really wish you started with the other engine. I'm 60 years old now. When I was 7-8,years old, my father had an engine exactly like that one. I used to play with it in the garage. My buddy would help hold it while I pulled it. I remember playing with it. The only thing we did was rev it up and fill the garage with smoke. We would get bored because we didn't know what else to do with it. The memories of the engine are strong and I get a smile when I saw it. I hope you can start the other one soon. Maybe you have and I just haven't looked ahead yet.
very cool . love seeing the old engines come back to life .
Your cheating on me...........
@@JMB676 lol been watching mustie since 2016 . have you checked out his bikes yet
I want to see this puppy dialed in and on a bicycle. Come on man, you make bicycles. You can't not use it.
It has been a really long time since he made a scrap bike...
@@octane613 He still makes them.
@@tarstarkusz I know, I was saying it's been years since he's made one.
Elgin Cycle Motors were made in Muncie ,Indiana ,by Muncie Gear Works and were SOLD as a Package or Complete With Bike by SEARS, ROEBUCK ANDD CO. The identical motor with a Different FLYWHEEL COVER Was also also sold the ( MUNCIE CYCLE MOTOR.) the same Company also made NEPTUNE OUTBOARD MOTORS. the motors have Tillotson Carburetors 2- cycle.....
You are a magician and an expert. These engines will be obsolete, but with you around…they live to fight another day!
I envy how easy you make this stuff look! I get a kick out of watching you revive old machines. Definitely inspiring to take on my own small engine repair/tinker hobby
Getting a motor running Zerk is always a thrill, deep sense of satisfaction, go for it.
Another outstanding video… I am intrigued to see you work on these engines and then excited to see it run! Look forward to your next one!!!!
The Venturi Effect in the carb = the Hour Glass effect you refer to. Thanks, great vid
It's alive bro. When I worked for the dairy company they would fill the tank with water and add compressed air to pop out the tanks if they got sucked in or a large dent, it may work with the petrol tank. Safe travels
As always another great video and look forward to your uploads. I often like to play the guessing game and enjoy the anticipation of how things are going to go. I'd love to see what the other engine is like to and thanks for letting me hang out while you do a bit o wrenching 😊👌
Right before ya lost its starting ability again it puffed a bit of smoke then it then wouldn't run so just kind of weird lol but love Sundays watching your vids it's like a show that you need to wait till next week to see another episode .love it ..anyways godbless and stay safe
Looking at the vibrations, I'm thinking of the poor Nuns who used them.... LOL
I'd still put money on that condenser intermittantly leaking out your spark As the motor speeds up that condenser is having a harder time keeping up too. It is nearly a century old! Also together with leaky crankcase seals causing the throttle problems. Considering the age it probablle the seals are greased leather or babbit, so they could be refurbishable. But its amazing how well its done for something thats sat for 45 years!
Really nice to see this old engine brought back to life. The first engine in which he found the word WICO is a brand name for the magneto. Replacing a WICO magneto on older stationary gas engines can be expensive.
I have a WICO mag on my 63 Gravely
I thought I saw that magneto brand on old gasoline Cat engines.
Never fails...the best channel on YT and another video on Sunday! ~ Mustie1
The first engine is a tecumseh power products engine model 1000. I just finished working on a model 3000, the 2 cylinder version. Love the videos!
The spark is inconsistent,you mentioned it but I’ll wait till you do more ,enjoying every bit of this one 👌
Pre-war bicycle motor. Sears sold them. 1930’s.
Hay Mustie love your videos, but when are you going to finish the red pickup truck love to see it done.
Mustie that. Was a God one it does run and that's the best part for a 1920 motor you did a great job never miss a video thank you for sharing and your time was really great 👍 can't wait for next one.
Sunday morning is not complete without coffee, a bagel, and Mustie with an engine older than me. That slow mo shot was pretty cool Mustie.
Surprised that Eisemann magnetos aren't well known to you, given the engines you often work with.
Are you an expert on Eisemann mags?
@@Bill-xc8le Nope, never heard of them except through the Squatch253 channel on old Cat dozers, and a few other channels. Recognized the logo.
Awesome to see that Vintage two stroke bicycle motor running again. Please make a vid on the other motor. 👍👍👏👏👊👊🙏🙏
L o L when I worked at the golf Course I use to put my fingers on the spark plugs to see if there was spark now that I'm older wouldn't dream of doing it anymore ! ⛳⛳⛳
The condenser IS a capacitor, but yeah they fail over time often, especially the wax/paper formulation you find in this era.I bet that's the short to ground you were seeing.
Definitely a cool piece though, reminds me of that green marine engine you did the other day. Which is actually under the bench you ran this one on, interestingly enough.
I wanna see all these suckers run.
I love seeing these old engines. Did you readjust the points? That might help.
No sneaking home from the “rubberdy” quietly on your bike, back then!
Thanks for the fun.
Good to see that old iron come back to life!! Thanks Mustie1
Amazing how those old engines never want to die. Simple technology doing its job. The stuff they build now the actual mechanical parts are probably better metallurgical components but the electronics always let them down. None will work in 90 years time. While some of the World plays at lowering emissions the biggest polluters aren't bothering much so all this useless crap on our engines is it really helping. Soon be all electric and back to travelling about as far as you could on a horse in a day. Isn't progress grand.
It's like Scotty from Star Trek once said, "The more complicated they make the plumbing, the easier it is to clog the drain." LOL
"... back to travelling about as far as you could on a horse in a day."
If a horse could travel 400 miles at 70 mph, rest for 30 minutes, and then do another 200 or so.
@@5tr41ghtGuy I live in rural Australia. You might roar off at 70 on your electric steed but when it runs out of juice good luck charging it. I could feed the horse and keep going.
In 2019 I saw a Tesla Model S parked outside the pub in Windorah. Owner was a tourist. So apparently you can recharge an EV in rural Australia... I'm guessing they were charging overnight at each stop using the regular 240V wall plug.
I wonder whether you were spinning it in the right direction. Presumably the spark is timed to be slightly before TDC. Going backwards it would be slightly after. Just a thought...
I was thinking the same but he appears to be spinning it clockwise. This would be correct for a bicycle assuming the hinge point is towards the rear of the vehicle. Now that I say it maybe the hinge mounts on the front and you pull it towards you. I don't know.
By the look of the notch where you wind the pull rope it kinda looks like he's spinning it the correct way...i don't know...just a guess
Mustie1
Outboard motors from that era ran 16 to 1 mix ratio. Some older ones even 8 to 1.
That helped the primitive seals do their Jobs.
Some say that “modern oil is better and you don’t need as much “.
Not so. Modern oils are cleaner and don’t foul plugs as much.
But the seals and bearings need that much lubrication,
The other motor looks like a West Bend go kart motor.
West Bend made the Elgin outboards for Sears.
Thanks for the videos. Still waiting for the double cab.
My brother has an old Johnson light twin outboard (1920s vintage) and it has no seals at all, just the close fit of the main bearings on the crankshaft and a hefty dose of oil in the fuel.
Sadly the engine is not in a running condition, one cylinder is cracked and the magneto was destroyed by corrosion. We've contemplated restoring it, but too busy with other stuff at the moment.
One more time! Your laugh is endearing!
Yes gotta love mustie I rewatch them again plenty of long videos best entertainment on RUclips love it
I like the way he talks to us like we are actually there. Makes it so much more entertaining lol "can u hold this for me? No? Thats ok" hahaha
The engine could b started by using a rope about 2ft long or so with a knot on one end and a pull handle on the other. You wrap the pull rope around the groove on the flywheel side of the engine with the knot in the slot. Pull and repeat as needed. That's it.
Smoke , fire and tools flyin off the bench.......thats why I love Musties videos!!
I love to see and hear old motors come back to run again. Your skills and knowledge amaze me. I believe that you could get the Flintstones car running again. I'm in my 70s now, but I watch all your videos. Thanks again
Back in the early 50s a friend had one. 🤙🤙
I'm probably way behind the curve here, and I just started watching, but I have to squawk that my Dad told me about whizzer motors that they used to sell for bikes. There was no clutch, and you set the pulley down onto the tire to engage the motor. ps-I came across a fun channel called Halfass Kustoms, featuring a Canadian that is clearly a brother from another mother. When he unsticks an ancient motor and gets that first fire, out comes a Musty One cackle!
I want this person working on my old machines
Hey Mustie. Good video. I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing.🍁👍👍