The Mossberg Shockwave is Mostly Useless
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In this review of the 20 gauge version of Mossberg's shotgun that's not really a shotgun, we take a look at why the very concept of the Shockwave makes it a lousy choice for personal protection.
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I’m convinced that this is the most useless gimmick ever made. I just ordered one.
I agree! Just paid for mine, picking it up in a couple days. Such a perfect SHTF weapon
@@dylanpaul1212 every weapon is a good SHTF weapon
I'm kind of questioning this guy now O.o
@@dylanpaul1212 Henry AR7!!! Great weapon for survival! Even if it's a 22. But I do like the adapters for the break action 12 gauges!!!
Lmao same
Some of your examples given in the video are relevant to using this weapon, however the gun is far from useless. As a retired police officer with the last decade of service as a firearms' instructor, I fell in love with it on first sight. I was in the local gun shop purchasing some ammo when I spotted this on the wall. I could see that for the gun to be accurate it had to be held up and away from the face, as you demonstrated. In practice, firing a gun from the hip is extremely inaccurate unless continuous practice is used. I passed on purchasing it and sometime later was reading about the Crimson side mounted laser sight. I order the Crimson and the next day purchased a shockwave in 20ga (I am 74 and have no business messing with a 12ga "handgun"). I mounted the Crimson and took the shockwave to the range. It worked fantastic. Point and shoot, on target every time. The farthest distance I have to shoot in my house is 25 feet, at that distance the spread is about chest wide with No.3 Buck. It is my go-to gun for defending my house now. One caveat; if someone feels like repeating this, get the green laser if you want to fire the weapon in outside in full sunlight, as the red while perfect inside or on cloudy days will wash out in sunlight. Thanks for your videos, I find them informative and interesting.
Would you mind sharing a link to the specific green crimson laser sight, that you are referring to?
Mossberg offers the shockwave with a saddle mounted laser.
They are a natural match for indoor self defense.@@jimloehndorf3077
thanks for that personal testimony; really great!
He’s changed his mind some, but it was a lazy uninformed take.
Bold of you to assume I’m using this shotgun for it’s effectiveness and not because it’s cool as hell
I bought mine because it was awesome looking but love it because its very effective if you know how shoot. Perfect truck gun
And there isn't anything wrong with that. Wish others could just admit that.
im useing it cause anyone that hears that slide and the sound of the shotgun shell being loaded in place will stop anyone in their tracks you know its either. live or die
guns like this fairly common in places like Alaska....even caught a brief glimpse of one going down with the plane in the movie "The Edge"...
@@slimeyslug12 just read that ATF letter closely before you start carrying it around....
Honestly I think the right thing to do with one of these is to mount a laser on them.
yep, powerful one, for day light use.
😹😹🤘🤘🤘
A laser and an acog scope six flashlights four batteries a large bandolier with absurd 3-inch Magnum ammo a bipod and let's see what else can we put on it? Oh yeah we need to add all kinds of rails to it. Then and only then will it be worth anything 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Anyway on a serious note.. the only reason I don't have one of these yet is because of the legality with putting a telescoping stock AR pistol grip on it. I have tactical shotguns that have just a pistol grip I don't need another one. But the 500 the 870 or the 590 shockwave with an adjustable AR pistol grip that's something I would like. Small backpack size also an NFA item I believe if you do that to it. But they did approve I say they okay the shit staying ATF they approved one only one shoulder mounted pistol brace for those for now. But you know how they work. You give him a few days a week or months and they'll change their mind. That's the only reason I don't have one yet. I don't like the grip that it comes with and if I can't put a shoulder stock on it I don't want it. It is a badass little piece of hardware though. Pardon my language but nothing says fuck you like a 12 gauge
Like the saddlelaser
Right. Get a Nightstick green laser/light forend. It is so good I removed the optic I had mounted on top. No longer needed.
I got a laser on mine. The hip fire accuracy is at 100% now.
Me too.
A laser is the only way to go ... bad azz shotgun.
What laser did you buy?
Bryan Hauschild LS-250 LASERSADDLE™ RED LASER SIGHT FOR MOSSBERG® 12 & 20 GAUGE SHOTGUNS price $169
Hattori Hanzo welcome I love mine I can hop fire with slug at 50 yard in daylight
Gotta disagree on this one. It could be very handy in very tight spaces for example. And also a nice packaging to put in the back of a backpack when fly fishing in bear country for another example.
Exactly. Most people will see it as a "perfect hone defense weapon" but it simply isn't. And the majority of people who will use it for that have little to no training clearing a house or aiming it lnao
Back pack gun, the exact reason I got it, I was pleasantly surprised by how well it shot. Regular pistol grip only shotguns are complete garbage, but that birds head grip is really a game changer for stockless shotguns.
@@Chris-yy5pj dont really need to aim with a shotgun in the house cuz.
I’m getting one for Camping 🏕
@@Chris-yy5pj there's just something about the sound of someone working the action of a pump gun....especially in a darkened room...that would give anyone pause.....
I was on the fence but you’ve totally talked me into buying one of these.
Mike Lyons BOOM!!!
Lol
Steve, hope you got one! I have one and it’s badass 🙌
Everyone should get one before they figure out which loophole will ban it.
Steve H he is Antifa
Got one and shooting it is probably the most fun I have ever had with my clothes on.
It’s purpose is home defense for me.
same here i just bought one a couple weeks ago and just shot it man that thing rips sheesh
Shoot it without your clothes on and you're guaranteed to have even more fun
Yep. Took it straight to the range from the counter - 25 shells later left the store giggling
Same here.
I need to shoot my gun fully naked to understand what you said
I watched this video from beginning to end and I still want this shotgun.
James Allen me too
Me too lol
MAVERICK 88 I just got it yesterday and I've put a few rounds through it on my property and it works flawlessly until you load in the mini shells 😂😂😂😂
James Allen get it it’s worth 😂
The only gun I saw where I immediately said, “I need to find cash for this, right now.” Every NYC outer boro dweller should own one of these, for home defense.
Everyone needs to watch Hickock 45 concerning the shockwave.
Yep,like 2 diffferent guns. Changes you mind back to how you felt in the first place. Watch as much as you can before diving in. I am down for one, now to just find one.
going to same this exact same thing. youre spot on my friend, shockwave is the beesknees
Just got mine with laser trace. =D
@@SkittleNutz77 how is it???
Anybody here care to share how they like one after buying?
I've had the 12 gauge model for a couple of years now and never had a single issue with the safety or any kind of feeding problems. I have had a couple of less experienced shooters whack themselves in the face on occasion while shooting it eye level, but overall i have been very successful with overall accuracy with this weapon and can fully endorse the mossberg.
What’s the recoil like on a 12 ga. Version of one of these?
@@tommyboyindy1157
Its not bad at all really easy to shoot
this is basically a close quarter weapon...handy and heavy enough to be used that way while making it difficult to wrest away from you...
@@tommyboyindy1157 quite manageable....
As i respect your opinion, i have alot of experience with shot guns, and found the shockwave is a very fun, dependable weapon, and will HIGHLY recommend!!
I personally own this gun in .12 gauge. It's awesome.
what is .12 ?
@lonkchase its a pet peve of mine when people mix up shotgun gauges and rifle calibers
@@240pixel ... Another pet peeve of people would be grammar Nazis.
@@MJScoutArchMar this is different issue than the grammar. Its like calling mgazine a 'clip' or .410 a 'gauge'
20 ga for trick shots
No clue why you had issues. This is a great weapon choice and easy/safe to operate. Zero challenge hitting a torso target at distance appropriate for this weapon. Like across a room, length of car, etc…
Will it go through the glass in my front door is my buying question or someone entering a window 5 feet away lol. We aint dove hunting with this thing.
@@noahziegler3478that buck shots gonna kill them at that range.. 5 feet?? If it doesn’t kill them I promise you they’ll want to die because you have 8 million different glass shards in you now as well
Shot over 500 rounds through it. I never had a problem this sounds like operator error. Its a great car gun.
I could see it being perfect to put in a backpack for a hike or for keeping on the door of a car. I just bought one a few days ago, waiting for it to arrive at my FFL dealer. God bless Florida.
#4 nitro mags make this sucker very unpleasant to shoot. I don't like it. To each his own.
follow-up comment: i have had it for about 2 months now and it's fucking amazing. well built little bitch. I've only found 2 issues with it. 1. the bars on the pump that retract into it are a bit loose, but apparently that's common with mossbergs. 2. the sides of the undercarriage(idfk) where you insert the shells is SUPER sharp at first. I sliced the everliving shit out of my thumb trying to speed load manually. otherwise it's an amazing buy.
@@craigmack3361 might pay the $200 tax stamp and get a stock for it
@@bloodmutt absolutely not. It's not mine, stepdads gun. I like traditional shotguns with 18.5 or 20 inch barrels. I do like the pistol grip look but control ability is a must have feature in my opinion. As far as tax stamps go, I have no use for that. It'd be cool to put a stock on an MP40 or an ak pistol though. As you can probably tell I'm a surplus nut. I was studying this for stepdude
I just bought one of these. Thank you for demonstrating how awesome these are.
I put a green laser on mine, clearly visible in all lighting conditions, hip shot accuracy is not a problem that way.
sick af
which laser did you get can you link me to it perhaps?
@@geosynchronous4386 yeah because a stockless cylinder bore 12 gauge with a 14 inch barrel is my 1st choice for operating stealth operations stealthy.
Laser is the way to go for home defense and firing from the hip.
@@geosynchronous4386 don’t disagree but in close quarters and given any element of surprise, it’s a non issue.
I would rather have this as a backup gun than a pistol in a combat situation
My exact thoughts dude
I’d rather have (and lug around) a pistol as a backup
Remember switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading
get the mini-shell adapter and mount a side-saddle...and your carrying around about 20 rds....that's a lot of firepower...
The big problem with long barrel shotguns is they're tough to use in hallways & small rooms & porches.
I’ve had my Shockwave for 2 years and love it!
Sounds to me like you just aren’t effective with it
That was my thought.i have one.i put 90% of the load in anything i point it at at 30 feet.that covers my hole house.im happy
@@bsj.420 ....That's my thought. Close quarters within my house I don't envision myself shouldering a shotgun too often.
Exactly, he should be on the food channel.
@@ridgerunner106
That is just mean😂.
@@MrZlathan3
Dude, you are not going to hip fire with any accuracy. Real life is not like Call of Duty.
Not every gun has to be a tool. Nothing wrong with having a gun just to have a good time at the range.
Tyler Hulan absolutely! Thank you!
I do agree somewhat many citizens don't practice enough correctly and thus should not waste time at the range with a gun that really they can't efficiently use 🚫
Michael Williams yeah I agree and some of us have places to shoot and don’t have to rely on going to the range. I own many firearms and shoot all the time, since I live on a good size farm I never go to a range simply because I don’t have too. I can safely shoot up to 300yds on my own property.
I put the Raptor grip to ny 590A1 Mariner and it's alot of fun to shoot the heavy 18.5" barrel really helps with recoil also it looks really cool.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to fire it in a while due to an injury to my elbow from work
Agreed. If you see it as an expensive range toy, that's fine. But some people are pushing it as a defense or hunting gun, which is insane. This has bad effects, like the people who bought a pistol grip only shotgun as their first gun because they saw one on TV, shot it a few times, realized that it sucked, and never bought another gun because they assumed all guns suck.
Yes but if you hold it sideways like "gangster style" it adds +15 accuracy and +10 damage
Master Chief but does it increase the critical hit rate?
Undercover Asian crits all day baby
Danny Souki don’t forget you can upgrade it by gathering resources like scrap metal or wood chips then have a master armored level it up by doing a sub quests
Increased critical hit rate comes with higher luck. Wear your 'naughty negligee' for a quick +2 LK bonus.
Did you buy the 2018 season pass? It's hidden under DLC...
You can add a Crimson Trace laser sight. It is a saddle type laser that will turn this into a deadly accurate self defense weapon.
Good advice. Thanks!
You'd have to be completely inept to not be accurate with this
Until you take more than 50 shots and the CT falls apart😂
Hows it gonna fall apart? Its screwed down.
I put a laser on it solved the aiming issue real easy
Haha, you would think in 2018 that it would seem like a common solution to that problem but even I haven't thought of that or seen anyone else do it. Way to go dude
That was actually my first thought as well. Laser, and problem solved.
I just came to say the same thing
Even a flashlight with a tight beam mounted would work, especially in close quarters. I use one on a full length 88 and checked it with a laser bore site. pretty much dead center at 25 feet.
So basically you need to spend another $150 on a laser to make the gun halfway usable. Awesome product.
I've been effectively shooting from the hip for decades. If he can't shoot from the hip, it's on him, not the weapon's fault.
It will always be worse than a stock shotgun
@@Halal_Dan how can you possibly know this? Different people fit into different weapons differently. What may be perfect for you sucks for someone else. It’s always been like this, long before firearms were ever invented. Shooting from the hip is an entirely different process from traditional shooting with a (modern) pistol. This Mossberg can be used to equal efficiency as any other semi auto shotgun can, *depending on the person doing the shooting*
Keep kicking ass and shooting from the hip, Kimberlain; it’s a skill I’m currently leveling up myself for future quick drawing with my python
* and now with my shockwave that’s making its way to me right now ... eventually 😂
he addressed this exact point in the video
Casual recreation Shooting vs shooting in your underwear in the middle of the night with the possibility of hitting bystanders if you miss. Apple and oranges
I couldn't do anything with mine when shooting from the hip, every shot went into the targets torso or head.
LASER!!!!!! All aiming issues go away
funny i usually aim for the torso or head we like to say kill shot
@Christian word
I agree that you should invest in a laser.
Well, that joke was obviously off target with some. Went right over their heads!
The shockwave provides more mobility and ergonomics in CQC, also it is worth considering that longer shotguns make it earlier for the opposition to reach the gun faster and misdirect the barrel or disarm you completely. The shotgun clearly is not intended for long-range shooting, so I think you misjudged the weapon. It is a good truck gun, compact for survival/bear protection for hikers or those living in certain areas, and even an affective option in the case of home defense.
He is shooting at close ranges though. Not like he is shooting rifled slugs at 30m.
@@goxcprethen maybe he shouldn’t be someone people take advice from about shooting
I've seen too many people master this gun and shoot that thing like Annie Oakley to take this guy seriously. Its not for him. Simple.
My husband and I just got a pair of these a few weeks ago...haven't been out to use it yet. When this video popped up, I was immediately bummed. I love my Mossberg!
froochie123 Exactly!!!!
Paige MacBeth this weapon is just not for him. I own a pair and love them.
Ya I've hip fired a regular shotgun and had no problem... Maybe this gun isn't for girls
I agree
Ok you convinced me..Im going buy one.
ROFL same
It looked useless, so I bought one, its FUN
That make 2 of us , im buying one this month lol
same here
Did y’all end up getting one?
This isn’t for the weak. so maybe change your title to: “The mossberg shockwave is mostly useless for Me”
Anyone who could be highly effective with one of these things would be an absolute god with a proper shotgun. And that's the thing, there is *nobody* who can shoot one of these more effectively than a proper shotgun. *You* might be better with one of these than I am with a proper shotgun (I doubt it) but you can shoot a proper shotgun better than one of these. Stocks exist for a reason.
lol internet tough guy gotta flex his ween
@@protodevilin non internet tough guy too
The push-pull method is my preferred technique for all shotguns. Even with a stock, I barely make contact with my shoulder and cheek. True that it does require a little strength, but I imagine someone who lacks the strength to do it would lack the strength to wield a 12 gauge anyway.
This guy is clueless. Typical “I don’t like it so it isn’t any good and you shouldn’t buy it because I fancy myself an expert” bullshit. Buy a shockwave. They’re awesome.
this guy is what you call an armchair expert
Totally agree! I used my friends last week and loved it so I ordered one. This guy is a tit. Even hickok45 loves it.
I think I'd rather have this in my truck instead of a full shotgun... which I think is one of the primary niches of these things, yes we all know not having a stock makes it much less effective. But what you lose in usability, you gain in ease of storage and concealability, and sometimes that's the priority
anotherrandomtexan25 well said.
Loss of effectiveness and poor aiming ability can never be trumped by cocealabily especially when they have had product like folding stocks for decades now
Just put a folding stock on it?
@@ffdd6102 Ability to conceal cannot be overrated. It's hard to fire a shotgun than has been detected and confiscated. Anyone who hasn't shot one of these is talking out of school. If you can shoot, you can be deadly accurate with a Mossberg Shockwave.
@@robertfrapples2472 you sir are drinking the koolaid cocealabily is completely irelavent when your talking about a shotgun. No matter the scenario you are either hiding it in a vehicle or in a house. Your not carrying it around and sacrificing actual physical ease of use and accuracy for loosing only a few inches is never a good trade off for defensive use and if your arguing that some people are good at shooting without a stock those same people will shoot even better with a stock so how is that an actual comparison
Not to mention there are these new things called folding stocks, but no one owns one of those things
If you can't accurately hipfire a shotgun at 10-15 yards, then you're not very good at shooting.
algae destroyer especially considering this the 20ga too
@@AbyssalTentacle
Good point, less recoil, easier to control. Hipfiring isn't easy at first, but with some practice it can become a legitimate skill. And it's always good to be well versed in shooting, you never know what the situation might call for.
Jesus dude! Hit the gym and Learn to shoot. You’re firing a 20 gauge. I picked up this gun, a 12 gauge version, after 5 shots and getting use to it I was consistently on target.
@@danklordsupreme8864 I went to the local shotgun range with my Mossberg maverick 12 gauge a.d went to the patterning range. 18 1/2" barrell. Shot from the hip to try it at10 yards (distance from my bedroom a ross living room to front door and within 5 rounds was keeping my shots centered in the middle of a torso target. It's a shotgun. Or in the case of shockwave, a firearm that fires shotgun shells. You don't need 2 inch groups. 5-10 inch group will do the job. And it is more compact a.d maneuverable in tight quarters. I'll be buying one as soon as I can afford it. Maybe 20 gauge.
Yea it's clearly not the gun.
"This gun is useless because I suck at aiming it." - This Guy
Bro, it's a fucking pgo shotgun. Put a stock on it ir don't buy one.
I've got one word for you LASER. Very simple to mount a rail on top and add a laser. I did.
Takes all the guess work out of the equation.
They even sell all the after market mounts
Glad I went through comments because that's the first thing I thought of.
Use a pressure switch, but honestly if you're using for strictly home defense and technically can't shoot someone outside of your house, you really don't need a light (would be helpful in the dark). I'd say average shot inside a house isn't more than 20 feet, with a shotgun I'd say using buckshot you'd just have to point in direction and even if off slightly you'd still do significant damage. I've not tested this on a range just a theory based off just shooting guns throughout the years.
To much for some to comprehend I guess.
You guys seen this laser? Badass imagine having this on ur chest.. ruclips.net/video/8GEpji4LPec/видео.html
I carried a Mossberg in Vietnam. Though modified there, it was very similar to the shockwave. A friend that was with the 173rd carried one too when walking point. His was a Remington.
Hey Mr. Davis. I was also in the 173rd, I carried one for breaching doors in Afghanistan. Glad you are here to talk about it, I wish you the best of health.
Wow. Murderers just talking about their paid murder jobs over here.
@@dangerouspie0319 I'm glad I did it so you didn't have to be drafted.
@@xSGTxPEPPERx I guess I am, too. I don't know what to think about people who fought in wars that were evil, but didn't have evil intentions themselves. I don't want them to hate themselves or anything, but crimes against humanity aren't easy for me to get over. And I don't want to get over them.
@@dangerouspie0319 That's the world we live in friend. Good and Evil will always co exist. We just have to do the best we can but stay grounded to realize that it doesn't always work out.
Bad guys dont usually like any kind of shotgun pointed at them!
Bad guys dont like any gun pointed at them. People should train with whatever setup they choose to defend their house with. Shotgun, rifle, and pistol are all effective in trained hands.
Getting one for wife car bec in New Orleans everybody used to pistol fire. This will get the right attention.Of course she will have to train with this but will work better than handgun. She will have both. And a few homemade specials. No telling what might be up against with current rising unemployment. Thugs in NO are very stupid.
They don't even want to hear one racking in the same house. Forget seeing it.
they see sawed off they runnin
Your family and friends dont usually like friendly fire too because your shotgun is harder to aim with
Just cuz ur a big softie doesnt mean this amazing weapon is useless
You need to learn how to use it. Point and Shoot is the way to go. The bead was originally designed to proof the barrel. The 410 is a serious home defense weapon if one can use it correctly.
I think it's safe to say that it's primarily aimed at people looking for a home defence or truck gun. ie. something good for close quarters that can be easily stashed away. You wouldn't want it as an everyday shooter and it's certainly no replacement for a full sized shotgun, but honestly I've heard a lot of good things about the Shockwave.
....."Like to keep this for close encounters....heard that".....
I literally watched this... ordered one... & then seen that many people in the comments did the same. Lol
Based on this I'm buying one tonight...buds here I come!
Ha! That's where I just ordered mine. ;-)
Hope you got it. It's a great gun
@@nastyrex4302 I love it! I wish I had gotten 12ga instead of 410, though. But I can hold it up and eye-sight it just like Hickock does in his Shockwave video, hardly any kick with 4 shot and so small! I'm thinking of trying some buckshot.
@samuraikitty t 00buck ain’t too bad firing out of it either
@@derajaura5229 The range I went to test it out at made me use slugs and it wasn't that bad at all.
But I also climb for a living so I have some crazy forearm and grip strength
Mostly useless? It's compact, easy to wield in hallways and shoots buckshot. I own one and it seems pretty useful to me.
At ranges of 3-10 feet -like Inside my house--the shockwave is awesome!!! It’s the very size shotgun I always wanted for my home....when I saw it I had to have it, plus I wanted to support the freedom of being able to choose short weapons without NFA....I love it
if u really support freedom do whatever you want.
So because it doesn't fit your philosophy of use that means it's useless? Useless for you sure , but for people who know how and what to use it for it's great.
Name something that people use it for, in which it performs better than a less expensive gun that doesn't require special techniques and training to use.
Aram Fingal 1. To own a short barrel shotgun legally, 2. Home defense, I wouldn’t want to be clearing rooms with my 28 inch Remington 870 and as a 19 year old I’m not old enough to buy a handgun, 3. Truck gun
Cody Whittenton I agree but fyi you have to be 21 to buy it. Because it is sold as a "firearm" not a shotgun.
Cody Whittenton, Buy a handgun from an individual. You only have to be 21 to buy a handgun from a dealer.
@@aramfingal5180 backpack bear gun.
This firearm is not useless or mostly useless by any stretch of the imagination; it's just not a beginner's pump shotgun. Just because you can't shoot the gun accurately doesn't mean that other people can't either. With a bit of practice and proper technique, this firearm can be perfectly accurate at the distances you'd be defending yourself at (15 or so yards).
If you really have SO MUCH training with stockless shotguns that you really are crazy effective with them (hint, you aren't that good), then you will STILL be better with a shotgun that has a stock.
I have used stockless shotguns a decent amount, but before the shockwave came out. I honestly tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. The shot timer always indicated that having the stock was better, and by a significant amount.
The shockwave doesn't change it at all, just shortens the barrel by 4 inches and instead adds a grip that is a few inches longer.
InRangeTV has done a pretty solid video testing stockless shotguns:
ruclips.net/video/tYjThckYqBQ/видео.html
Best damn response to this video so far.
Hickok45 didn't seem to have any trouble
I have no problem shooting mine at good range, besides the only time you'd be using this is 10-20 yards anyways,i can even hit stuff hip shot! Imagine that
This literally was an extended PSA on why learning and drilling proper technique is important.
Bingo!!
exactly! "I tried to shoot a couple of dozen shells through it and im not perfect , yet!" " waaah, waaah. waaah" 😢😢
Works great for robberies. Especially at liquor store ranges 🤷🏻♂️
Dear FBI/ATF that was a joke. Please don’t raid my house or kill my dog.
Ladies and gentleman.......WE GOT HIM.
Matarael, Angel of Rain Go away alphabet boys
"OK, boys, LOCK'M UP!!"
Rest in Peace Brettaforlife.
He made a joke, as though he had a first amendment right.
The Alphabet boys broke his door down and killed his dog first. He was a martyr, yes, but alas; he died cradling his doggo.
No joke I've been thinking of putting a sign that says please don't kill my dog
I love my Shockwave!! I’m not a big dude and when I first got this gun I was a little intimidated cause I was thinking of recoil, but after I got to know my shockwave and applied technique I have no problem and can get my own personal training in with and the fun of just blowing shit up with it all day and all night. After showing my girlfriend how to shoot it she can shoot it just fine too. Straight out of the box no problems 🤘🏽👍🏽 it’s a big kick in the pants!!!!
I hardly ever shoot any firearms, and I found it easy to put rounds on target with this at 35 feet immediately. This guy has an agenda.
36reinhart to be fair that’s well within the expected maximum range of a stocked shotgun. Assuming that’s what it’s being compared to you should be able to hit reliably at 3x that distance
I agree
Stop trying to justify your own purchase
“You’re gonna punch yourself in the nose. Don’t do that.” Funny, that’s almost verbatim what my older brothers would say right before I punched myself in the nose. Repeatedly. With their help. 😂🤣
First time I fired my 12ga shockwave I was stacking slugs through the same hole at 5 yards firing from the hip. Maybe I got a bit more gangster in me but I didn’t miss a single round out of the 25 i shot
sounds like a TRAINING ISSUE
So is learning how to use a real shotgun properly.
@@LuckyGunner I think they mean you need more practice before you make a call on the effectiveness of the weapon.
@@Levashanks someone who gets it
If you can't handle this gun in 20 gauge... hit the gym.
@Funky White So's yer face.
The reason I was considering one of these is my house is small, with some tight doorways and corners. My 870 is not at all maneuverable coming from the bedroom without pointing it straight up or down coming around corners. Still have the pistols, but was hoping this would be an option as well.
Throw a grenade first to clear doorways and corners.
let's just say it would be hell in a hallway....
Exactly.
You a expert in shotguns I think your afraid of it. Get some balls bro.
A man has to know his limitations.
Well said, Inspector Callahan.
Why does there always have to be a practical use for a gun. I got into an argument with my friend about this just because you can’t use the gun to go hunting or whatever use you want it for doesn’t mean it’s a bad gun. There’s nothing wrong with having a firearm that puts a smile on your face at the range. Personally in my opinion I think the shockwave would make a great home defense firearm
If it's just about owning a gun that is fun then have at it. This video did not even attempt to argue against the gun being fun. This video focused on evaluating it for the intended use the manufacturers are marketing it for.
Imo its a replacement for a front door baseball bat, put a laser on it and call it good.
Gotta have that laser sight. Increases melee accuracy by 10 fold!
Hickok45 was able to make hits on target at 80yds. Experience counts.
Never been happier with my 12 gauge Shockwave. Mastery is the key, as with any other kind of firearm.
I read that as "master key" first, lol.
"Mastery" doesn't replace common sense.
@lonkchase A stock is still better in almost every circumstance.
Why handicap yourself?
@@TheOwenMajor every circumstance except in tight spaces... which is the whole point of this shotgun..?
@@tacosHELLYEAH Use a handgun. The only tight space I can think of where something of this length would be more manageable than a stocked gun is in a vehicle.
And in a vehicle, you would be much better off using a pistol.
The video and assessment are appreciated.
I've owned the Mossberg for a few months now--I've had it at the range a number of times now, and I'm pretty comfortable with it at this point, both shooting "from the hip" and aiming it from chest/neck height. I think everything you say is valid, but as I've stated elsewhere, having grown up in the venerable city of Detroit, where I've lived in mostly old buildings with small rooms, tight corners, and short hallways (such as the beautiful old building I've been living in for the past 5 years), it's hard not to view the Shockwave as the most practical home defense option for my particular situation (compared to something like the full-size 590)...
Granted, it takes practice with a specific technique to be good and accurate, just like a handgun. I’ve never had a safety issue running the action and that’s after hundreds of rounds. It’s not for long range and precision. Given those limitations it will be a definite fight stopper in small spaces like cars or rooms or hallways. I don’t have any shots past 15 yards I’m my house so it works for me.
A bullpup shotgun would have the same short length (26.1" for KSG, for example), but with the ability to be shouldered, along with vastly superior capacity.
What does that cost?
What do bullpup shotguns cost?
Kel Tec's KSG (bullpup, 15 shell capacity (7+7+1), pump action) 2018 price is $600-$800
IWI's TS12 (bullpup, semi-auto, 16 shell capacity (5+5+5+1), same people who make the tavor) is supposed to be $1300-$1500
Standard Manufacturing's DP-12 (bullpup, double barrel, pump action, 16 shell capacity (7+7+1+1)) is around $1300.
Crye Precision / Vantage Arms Six12 (not released, probably vaporware, bullpup, gas seal revolver with replaceable cylinder magazine, 6 shell capacity, modular system to change configuration, including mounting under an AR) is supposed to be $1800.
So yes, more expensive, but definitely worth the price to get the decisive advantages they offer.
The KSG offers a competitive price, 26.1" length, low weight, and high capacity.
The DP-12 offers a similar design to the KSG, but a couple inches longer, much heavier, better recoil mitigation, and a double-barrel mechanism, meaning you get TWO shots and two pulls of the trigger before having to pump again.
The IWI TS12 offers the ONLY semi-auto bullpup shotgun on the market (save for some cancerous conversion kits that are really terrible). This means you could use the gun one handed, leaving one hand free to open doors, hold a light, hold a phone, grab a child, etc. It also offers great capacity and significantly less recoil than the others, thanks to the recoil mitigation from the semi-auto mechanism.
The Six12 offers the lightest weight bullpup shotgun on the market, coming in at 3 pounds for the base chassis, and 5 pounds for the stand-alone configuration. It offers uncompromising reliability with no ejection issues. It's highly modular and mostly made of titanium. The downsides are a comparatively low capacity of 6 shells (which is on par with most plebeian defensive shotguns) and a long heavy double-action-only trigger. I think the biggest advantage is that while not technically a semi-auto, it offers double-action semi-auto use, meaning that you can use it one handed. Combined with its extremely light weight, I think this makes it very promising for home defense. Also, unlike tube magazines or box magazines, the shells in the cylinder won't squish over time.
Thank you for all of that info. Interesting!
LinkHyrule03 the shockwave costs $300-400 store and gauge depending.
What is goofy is you slick. This is a awesome home self defense weapon. I have no problem shooting from hip ,chest and eye level.
Doubt it.
'If you come within 3 feet of me i'm gonna kill ya'
@@JohnDoe-pk8lc
Dudes sling slugs accurately @ 80 yards with this thing. Jokes on you little buddy
The Dumpster Defender
Absolutely based and dumpster pilled
I got a 590 Shockwave 12g. I absolutely love this gun.
Not useless. It would make a great truck gun.
@Randolph Sexton
Bikes aside, I just imagined you carrying this on horseback.
Bicycle weapon. When riding country roads, wolves/bears/cats are a genuine threat. Joggers could carry in a shoulder sling.
Now the criminals know which truck to break into.
I’d say your truck is big enough to fit a shoulder stock for a much more functional weapon
Hondo13 no it wouldn’t
It is very useful, learn to shoot
It also comes in .410 bore not only 12 and 20 gauge. Speak for yourself but for up close it gets the job done.
If you put the pistol grip with pistol brace on it you can go back alot further and hit stuff 30-40 yards easily.
@@mhonline2900 Yep, I have a pistol grip and brace on my 20 gauge version and it works great. I also replaced the bead sight with a XSights Big Dot.
yep I ordered the 410 on the advice of my gun buddy guru. Nice to know I can get the brace for it too if wanted.
@@samuraikitty18
You wish you got the 12 gauge though, dont you? Also, slap a brace on it and never listen to your "gun guru" again.
@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS well, I'd like to try one. Last year I suffered a pretty significant injury to my wrist and he was concerned I wouldn't have the strength to hold a 12GA with it.
Just don't agree that this is useless. It's a bit new to many people. So, you need to get used to it. Once you find out where it shoots and figure out the way(s) you want to hold it, you will be hitting just fine with it. That's the same with any gun. In the meantime, you have a shorter long gun that's easier to maneuver in tight spaces and easier to store. I have the 20 Ga version, and I'm totally satisfied with it. I put on the Talon rubber grip and it looks like it came with the gun.
Yup,, if he was in a situation were his life depended on a gun and this was de only gun he had i bet he would pick it up n use it and sing praises about it afterwards, maybe
Maybe your over thinking this one. Great fun, everyone loves when I break out the shockwave
Many of my military friends carried the 14 inch in Afghanistan. For urban tac, home defense and hallway clearing its a must. Quit worrying about aiming and use it how it was designed, a hip fired boomstick that will clear a room.
With my hat in hand, I have to respectfully disagree with your summation. I've had the same training (maybe not the "exact" course) that "greylocke100" referenced. The properly adjusted sling is the key. That front strap helps too, with this particular gun. I purchased mine specifically for home defense, with the philosophy that pistols put holes IN people. Rifles put holes THROUGH people. Shotguns, with the proper loads, at the proper distances, put flesh and organs on the ground. This "firearm" is premium for home defense, in addition to taking it on errands and trips as a truck gun (I live near a state border). On mine, I installed an OPSol adapter, and I fill it up with Aguila mini shells in the 00 buck flavor, plus extra slugs in the side saddle. My extra ammo, outside of what's on the gun, is a stash of 2 3/4 00 buck. I simply pluck the OPSol adapter out, if need be. For me, installing a "brace" would defeat the maneuverability that such a compact weapon possesses, so that's not an option. To compare the Shockwave to a "combat shotgun" is like comparing a Kel Tec Sub 2000 to a precision distance rifle. It's simply not for that. It's, for lack of a better term, a niche gun. It has a specific application that works well with proper instruction. It just works. But I still enjoy your videos and respect your opinion. Thanks.
I keep hearing about this gun having a "niche application" but I still don't know what that application is. When and where would I realistically want a gun like this instead of a handgun or a stocked shotgun?
Egads, how did I know that he would have it loaded with minishells?
1) Minishells have serious reliability issues. Most shotguns do not feed them reliably, including 500's and 870's. Run 50-100 through and see if you don't have a single problem. Even with the adapter, malfunctions can still happen. The minishell adapter helps, enough for them to be suitable for range fun, but not nearly reliably enough for defensive use. Further, in order to use those 2-3/4" shells on the side, you would have to first remove the adapter.
2) Minishells have disproportionately fewer pellets. This greatly defeats your perceived goal of stopping the threat with the first shot, to quote "Shotguns, with the proper loads, at the proper distances, put flesh and organs on the ground."
3) Minishells usually pattern abysmally poorly, with unreasonably wide and inconsistent spread. Combined with a low pellet count, that makes it so hitting your target with sufficient pellets is even less likely, further decreasing their effectiveness.
4) Minishells almost always yield a notably reduced velocity, meaning that what pellets even hit the target will penetrate to a shallower depth than you would expect from a normal 2-3/4" load.
5) Most defensive shootings with shotguns are ended extremely quickly with normal buckshot 2-3/4" loads, negating the need for more ammo. Using minishells will just elongate the confrontation, as they likely won't stop the threat nearly as quickly. Simply put, stopping the threat with 1-2 shots and having 4-5 spare is much better than stopping the threat with 3-5 shots and having more spare ammo.
6) Minishells do not offer NEARLY enough increased capacity to make up for the loss in reliability, reduced pellet count, horrible pattern, and reduced velocity.
If you are worried about your low capacity, such that you would load minishells, just get a longer tube, preferably with a stock, like a normal 500 would have. That small increase in length is more than worth the increased capacity, increased effectiveness, increased shootability, decreased recoil, and ability to shoulder the gun.
If you want a shorter length but also higher capacity, your only option is to go with any of the bullpup options.
With a DP-12, KSG, or TS-12, you get that short length, massively increased capacity (16, 15, and 16, respectively, all of 2-3/4" shells), and most importantly, you keep the ability to shoulder the gun. That ability to be shouldered gives you vastly superior ability to manage recoil, faster aiming, more accurate shooting (hitting the target EVERY TIME is most important, after all), easier reloading, easier clearing of malfunctions, the ability to use sights and optics, and much more. Now you pay handsomely for those advantages, but that extra money is more than worth it to save your life.
Or, you know, you could just get a normal 500 or 870 that has a stock.
I have had really good luck with the mini shells, in a Mossberg. I wouldn't depend on them in any other pump shotgun though. The OPSol adapter made them dependable in regards to cycling. Insofar as the rest of your post, and I do appreciate your thoughts, I can just say they work for me. Thanks for your reply. Take care.
I encourage you to watch more of his videos before making the determination to never watch again. You might have come here just because you are a fan of the Shockwave, but he has so much more to offer. He is a very well respected individual and he provides some great information.
The focus of his content is always on civilian self defense. Military applications, like door breaching or tank driving, are so outside the realm of civilian life that they aren't considered relevant. If you currently are active military and want tips that are tuned specifically for military applications, try "Garand Thumb", who has videos very similar to this, but with a much more military personnel focus.
As a civilian, stockless shotguns are extremely limited in application. For most civilian uses, they are directly inferior to stocked shotguns.
That is the basis of his presentation, and it is a logical and honest look at stockless shotguns from that perspective.
You can respond to literally every point by saying "who cares? It's cool"
Hickok45 had no problems using this weapon. watch?v=CxECBq-f68s&t=1196s
rtnoobify That’s because Hickok45 knows what he’s talking about and is competent with guns 😂
rtnoobify ikr
Came here to say this. Glad someone besides me already had done it.
Yup.and dinged every plate
Dude that man is legendary. Speed shooter even with a Barret 50. 6 rounds in less then a second...on target
It would probably be more accurate to say the Mossberg Shockwave is "mostly useless for the Lucky Gunner guy." As with all guns, not every gun will suit every person. Lucky Gunner's level of training and personal requirements don't match up with the Shockwave, but that's not to say nobody will find it useful or unworkable. Your mileage may vary, as always.
I normally enjoy your channel, but this video I strongly disagree with
Completely and whole heartedly disagree.
It’s a badass firearm
This will work with full size shells, but, as some others may have stated, the opsol adapter and Aguila mini shells make this a lot easier to control and use.
Mossberg recently released the 590S version that natively works with the mini shells.
Wrong... it's a perfect backpack bear gun. It's a perfect truck gun.
Far from being perfect. Shotgun without stock < Shotgun with stock. or if you want something smaller in size. .44 magnum revolver or 10mm pistol works better because at least you can aim it.
240pixel i think this gun actually aims better and youll have a better chance at delivering a kill shot with double aught buckshot than a heavy recoiling revolver
@@MrInzombia aims better? 12 gauge in such a small package has a lot of recoil and unlike handgun you can't extend it. So you ether shoot it from your hip like mossberg recomends or put it infront of your face meaning that gun can jump and hit you in your face. Shotguns without a stock are fucking stupid. InrangeTV done a great video explaining why.
Yeah perfect if you always shoot with it. Over other firearms you can get an carry this just falls short due to you having to solely practice just to be good with this.
Bought one for the RV....perfect. Anybody who can’t shoot this, shouldn’t own one. Jesus people.
Clint Smith figured out how to use a Shockwave effectively within the bounds it was designed for.
Useless but cool.
That's reason enough to buy it.
Matthias Miyahara That's what my wife said when she married me...
Glock Fanboy oh god 😂😂
LOL, that made me laugh
Matthias Miyahara Right on brother I still would not want anyone pointing that dam thing get me so it is useful
Matthias Miyahara no very usefull with the right ammo in its range you dont have to be a sniper a general aimingpoint will do great
I don't know, man. I've shot every length and style of shotgun under the sun, and don't have a single accuracy or grip gripe with the shockwave. I've seen first-timers punch devastating holes through paper with just point shooting. Maybe y'all got petite arms.
If you can't hipfire a shotgun accurately at 20 feet, then this is a reminder to take your Parkinson's medication.
Lmfao that was good
Taking shotgun lessons from Elmer fudd cartoon is also a sign to take your Parkinson medication too
Well, that's just your opinion, man!
Bang Stick funny 😆 dude
I tend to disagree with the assertion of the shockwave being mostly useless. The most common Glock G-19 holds 15+1 rounds of ammo. I keep my 12 ga shockwave loaded with one 15 pellet 3" 00 buckshot in the chamber followed by five 9 pellet 2-3/4" 00 buckshot. You're talking a payload of 60 pellets similar diameter to the 9mm vs 16 rounds from the G-19. I can just about match the entire capacity of the G19 with my first pull of the trigger using a 3" 00 buckshot shell. Practice makes perfect, aiming and upper body strength is a huge plus. I will admit the Shockwave isn't a beginner gun nor easily handled by folks with small hands.
For real. This thing is literally the punch of a 12 or 20 gauge with the maneuvering of a pistol almost it's awesome
Not to mention those Aguila mini shells
@@codywhittenton6144 If you can't handle recoil from a 12 ga, get a 20 ga, but mini-shells reduce reliability when compared to ammo the weapon was designed for.
Lol the main reason for mini shot shells is increased capacity not reduced recoil. Come on nube lol
I mounted the Nightstick laser/light combo forend and can now shot it accurately, 8+1 rds of minishell buckshot in a compact little package much more maneuverable in my home than any other long arm. Crimson Trace makes a laser 'saddle' mount that's nice too (I have no affiliation with either).
I like spending time in the north west region of the US and i think that this type of firearm would be great for camping. I use small cars to save gas and the compact design would fit perfectly in not taking up space and being lighter than a normal shotgun. Keeping one in the tent could help with unwanted creatures.
I got one of these as a gift and after practicing with stationary targets then moving to skeets I will say this is my go to camping and woods shotgun.
All the bang of a 12 gauge with much more portability
Don't let people who don't like it just bc it doesn't fit their elitism poo poo it to you
It's a GREAT little shotgun you just have to take at MOST a weekend of practice to get used to it and you'll hit just fine
Clint Smith on his Thunder Ranch channel shows you the right way to run the Shockwave
Tommy TwoGun chest high
I used more or less the same technique in this video that Clint Smith demonstrated in his. I got fairly good results shooting the gun this way, but still significantly slower and with less consistency than a conventional shotgun. For 99% of gun owners, it's a poor choice for self-defense compared to a handgun or a real shotgun.
For self defense perhaps, but the fun factor is still there.
Universal Kombat I bought a 10.5 inch ar pistol for the same reason. You could get a shorter barrel but all the same, I would choose an AR pistol over this in any situation. Jmho
Chris Gibson holy overpenetration batman
I have only owned my shock n saw for a week, but I will say that for having very little experience with this firearm, it does not pose many issues for me as far as accuracy goes. The shock n saw, of course, has the chainsaw grip attachment, and I have found it very useful for recoil and firing from the hip. The possibilities are nearly endless with how this may be used in a home to defend a family. The grip allows it to be shot in strange angles, without even exposing your body to a door way. I can fire it upside down even, easily. And I understand that blind fire is not the safest in regards to home defense, but the point I am trying to get across is that if you are aware of your surroundings, you can very easily manipulate angles, and navigate doorways and hallways that just would not be possible with a full length stocked shotgun. I carry this in my car sheathed everywhere I go. I can't bring it into a store concealed like a handgun, but if something breaks loose, I have a 12 gauge firearm that I can simply pull out and have with me, even as a second option. Its easily one of the easiest 12 gauges I have ever shot, and the recoil is very minimal, even for a 12 gauge! Its also extremely light, and can easily be shot one handed. I understand that not all of the examples I brought up have been practical or are common among shotgun practices. But thats the whole point! There are so many ways this can be utilized for up close personal protection. That makes this gun unique. But just because it is not full sized with a stock does not mean it is unless or even mostly useless. There are many uses for this shotgun
get the insert....load it up with mini's...more shells...less recoil...
@@frankpienkosky5688 I have. I put about 9 mini buckshot in it and it’s awesome!
This is not even partially useless. Its a specific use weapon. How do some people not understand this?
I'm so glad so many people in the comments see through this guy's shortsightedness and cluelessness.
I own this gun and I have to say it’s a badass gun 🤦♀️. I’m not real sure the point of this video.
How much did you pay for it?
Mitchell Family , $369
I got 1 mine is a 12ga, it's scary. I want 2 try mini shells.
@@jeremykeith6541 the mini shells are all that I’ve shot through mine. Easy to shoot
It's to prove that he's not stupid but he has bad luck when it comes to thinking. Oh and he can't shoot from the hip....... WITH A SHOTGUN? 🤔
I’ve never fired a gun in my life and I want one of these(nightstick version)
@@Greyman77
Yea. I just paid 450 for mine. And it's not the night stick.. but I will be getting some custom wood, eventually.
@Ben Angelo yea. this is the only gun i ever really cared what it looked like. its a work of art. I want to eventually make it resemble and old flintlock blunderbus. Im going to get a stamp and a stock, too.
Cool factor alone makes it useful. If you're within 7 yards, it's going to come in handy. It's also a decent truck gun. Relax tacticool.
Also, training... You can't just pick up a test gun and expect yourself to be proficient.
Anthony Kuriger I was thinking the same thing. I would like one in my truck.
So i figured out that apparently it’s illegal to have as a truck gun something about it not being an actual pistol or long gun or some crap i almost bought a tac 14 for my truck but ended up grabbing a 1911, still gonna buy one but yea thats just what i heard sucks tho
@@guckingaming9977 What State ?
No one has ever tried to say the Shockwave is a “do it all” shotgun. Its Niche...
Self adhearing athletic bandage wrap with hockey tape overwrap on the rear grip works a treat!
Talon grips...
@@Josh47147 I had thought of that but I think it would leave adhesive behind if you wanted to remove it
I personally like pistol grip shotguns, yes, they are a compromise and require more practice to aim accurately, but practice is a good thing, last time I checked.
Whenever I need a laugh, I come back to this review and laugh, and laugh, and laugh. This didn’t age well.
lmaooo FACTS
ME TOO!!!!!🤣
@@nextlevelboxingtalk6808 “mostly useless” - proceeds to sell millions
@@ghostgadgetguy the fact that it sold millions doesn't make it a good gun.
@@gabrielfraser2109 thanks for the laugh buddy, needed that today
I really like your unbiased view of this firearm. As a person who is looking to purchase their first gun for home defense this has really given me some direction in what I am to consider when investing in a firearm. Thank you.