32-bit vs 64-bit Computers & Phones as Fast As Possible
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- 64-bit PCs have been around for a while, but even 64-bit PHONES are starting to show up! So what's the advantage versus a 32-bit device??
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I need 128 bit because only peasants use less than 16 billion gigabytes of RAM.
+Julian Bell i need 1000bit bitch get on my level
he said 16 billion BYTES 1 gigabyte = 1,000,000 bytes(approximately
)
oh wait no he didn't fuck
+Mr. Littlenewo At least you see your mistake ;) :D
2014: "Who knows we might need more than 4gb of ram in our phones"
2020: "yeeee maybe a 4² gb is enough "
Lol
My PC has only 2 gb ddr3 ram
@Ethan Parks Win 7 SP 1
@Ethan Parks It was the ultimate version not the home version. Cost me 1.5 us dollars to buy Windows 7 back in 2010
@Ethan Parks Windows 8 wasn't available in 2010. Windows 7 was the best OS back then. So I pay the went to the biggest computer store in the city and bought the Windows 7 ultimate disk which cost around 100 rupees back then(less than1.5 US dollars)
Jesus.. I thought this was recent.. But 2014.. 😂 😂
2:53 "...their latest Windows 8.1 OS"
That's when it really hit me
Some things don't change...
Still good for today's video standards
Linus was always way ahead of his time
Same same😂~
Linus: "but since the last fall's launch of the iPhone 5s"
Me: "Wait, what?"
* realizes this video was posted in 2014*
SAME i was like huh what then i looked at the date😭😭
lol same
You're too fucking funny Linus, it's insane, you fucking crack me up everytime :D Love the show dude, been a watcher for years now.
Thanks :)
***** Html doesn't work because of less than tricks
Ok good to know
You From The Future
Ikr!
Gay
"Who knows when our phones will need more than 4gb ram?"
Yes.
I mean it's about to be 2023 and iphones still only have 6gb of ram
@@Crecrossfor Android 6 is minimum and 8 or more to be more comfortable with big games iphones require less
@@LonelyxBoyyou fell for the hype. No mobile game even comes close to utilising that much ram
@@steeg03 looks like you haven't tried heavier games than Subway surface, try genshin impact and you will see by yourself how much ram it sucks
And also my phone has 6 gm rams and i definitely need more, 8 will be fine since i don't game now
@@steeg03A single app might not but the phone itself certainly now can and often does.
So you're telling me I CANT install my 32bit software twice to get 64bits???
Alex G No, that would be a 33 bit. Lol
No it would be 3232 bits actually, dont you know math? 32+32=3232
@@MrKralkop are you programmed in javascript?
@@MrKralkop Wait meaning installing the program twice making the performance 50.5 times the power. Compared to 64 bit because 3232 bit. I guess.
GoldenRuleRock MCG do you understand sarcasm
Hey! I see my video at 0:06 in the Google results!
lol
Computer Clan
Wow
Computer Clan e
Computer-Chan
Computer Clan true
And here we are now in 2019 complaining about phones with only 4 gb of ram 🤣
iPhone 11
True
Gatzon all phone have that
Michael Chan -.-
@@jaggys2759 stroke
"Bring on the 128 bit!" cracked me up faster than an iphone screen
My brothers Blu after 2 months
(It's my Pokemon go vid...)
The 6th generation of video games were 128bit (ps2, dreamcast)
cheap ass screens
We need 256 bit
We need 8 gigabits
64bit system on iPhone still with 1gb of ram lmao
+Kendall Handan exactly :) i hope one day the average "Apple fan" user finally realizes how his Gods were using his ignorance to make money....
is it even possible? :D
ikr
Is there even ANYTHING you can do on a 64 bit processor iphone with 1 GB of ram that you can't do on a 32 bit 1 GB ram?
Nah
64 bits 32 bits 16 bits 8 bit 4 bit 2 bit 1 bit l bit aaaaa
But... how can there be 16 billion GB of RAM when there are only 7 million GB of RAM on Earth?
(I know, this comment is very, VERY original)
+Vincent Pihlblad its easier to say 16 exabytes of ram
EricssonXL Guess so, but I wasn't aware of that prefix. ;)
Vincent Pihlblad not a lot of people are
+Vincent Pihlblad Dude Max amount of RAM doest mean that you need to install 16 exabytes of RAM.
it mean that You can add more then 4 GB of RAM , if you need soo.
Ravi Kumar Nah, it's chill mate. I have two hundred terabytes of RAM and my computer seems to be doing just fine. It's sometimes a bit slow when rendering, so I'm thinking of buying one hundred terabytes more - for just 10 000 $ - from this guy in an abandonded warehouse in Detroit.
I feel like each video I watch from these guys raises my iq a few points. Too bad feelings aren't reality.
IQ maybe not, but general knowledge yes. There's really not downside to having more knowledge about any topic.
feelings are reality
dont be stupid
Feelings are our attempt at reacting to our 'perceived' reality.
zakattak47 wtf are you fucking serious?
64 bits, 32 bits, 16 BITS, 8 BITS, 4 BITS, 2 BITS, 1 BIT
HALF BIT, QUARTER BIT, THE WRIST GAAAAAAAAAME
1:20 That's what Linus' real voice when he runs out of helium.
Pretty bullshit move by apple. stays at 1GB ram yet boasts about having 64bit...Thats like saying "HEY GUYS! I GOT A HUGE ASS SWIMMING POOL!, BUT I CAN ONLY AFFORD ONE LITRE OF WATER!!!!!"
lolololol now i will use this for my co worker :P
Uncrowned and yet iPhones still outperform all other smartphones when it comes to ram
by like 0.2 seconds or something. doesnt make that much of a difference
It's not about how big RAM, it's about how the phone makes the best use out of it. Phones like the oneplus have 6 GB of RAM yet the can't beet and iPhone 6s with 2 GB of RAM.
+Zeyad Bawazeer You obivously never had to deal with high poly graphics. Your shitty 2 GB's of RAM have to be shared with the GPU. Android needs less than 1 GB when no apps are running. The remaining 5 GB (not exactly 5 GB, the memory split is often hard programmed into the SoC) can be utilized for high quality textures.
anyone in 2024
yes
He must be old now.
Fuck'n Linus, gotta love him!
Yes that was a good video. He is the man when it comes to computer in explaining things.
I'll watch it tomorrow but Linus' tech quickies are great!
your face is so familiar man. your'e from XDA?
Romie Jay Eque Lol yup =)
***** yes i remember i watched a video of you about Xposed Framework XD
"briing on tha bits wheres my 128 bit"
killed me
Logan Jones ME TOO
This video was uploaded 6 years ago
RUclips: we should recommend this in 2020
Ah yes the great algorithm
2021 for me XD
You should stfu
@@onee1847 So should your organs
@@onee1847 why don't you?
I downloaded 16 Billion Gb of RAM, thank God I have a 64bit processor. Now my PC is gonna be super fast.
Jhustin Malanyaon Cordova
It’s a joke, sir.
Over Watch
He's joking,sir.
Now you need a video card with 8 billion gb of video memory and a nuclear power plant as a power supply. Just don’t overclock my friend...
@@chris_hawk imagine the mobos size for 16billion gigs of ram
*single handedly increase the average global temp by 1 degree C or kelvin
16 BILLION GIGABYTES OF RAM! MWAHAHAHA
I lol'd so hard.
maybe in 150 years.
+Ollie Thornton 1500 more specifically.
+skred8 more like 60 to 75 years.
+Michael Rowlands 32 bit OS? max ram 4gb 64 bit? 16 BILLION GB RAM MAX M8 Well that escalated quickly
Mam
Basically 64-bit > 32-bit
Not always. Some programs won't even work on 64 bit OS.
@@DJ_Shmee nope
@@alibarznji2000 doesn't matter anymore I already upgraded to Windows 10 x64 and steam wont support Vista anymore ):
@@DJ_Shmee that´s right
@@DJ_Shmee so i can use a ddr3 or ddr4 system with a hexa core i7 and 32gb of ram on the 64 bit version of windows xp? I want that
I wonder what Linus is like off camera... Completely off topic, but I wanna know.
I think he had this one in his hands during the beginning of the WAN Show>
ttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00HR684W6/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00HR684W6&linkCode=as2&tag=n19h7m4r3-21
Al Valentyn I meant "I wonder what his personality is, off camera" I didn't really mean what cameras he uses or something
MiniNinjia Ah sorry, completely misunderstood. Darn english!
I think he might still be a rather nice person, I hope. :P
i guess geeky still :P
prob walking around in socks and sandals :D
i dont know why would anyone still use 32bit so old
Literally, almost all applications run in 32 bit mode ...
Maybe they don't have 4 GB or more ram.
Maybe they don't know much about computers/electronics.
Maybe they just have better programs on 32 bit.
deafyboy86 Even Borderlands 2, a game that has pretty good graphics overall, is only 32-bit
you're showing your ignorance here, 32bit apps are still integral to tonnes of companies.
Snowerty WHAT!?!? This is an OUTRAGE!
seriously, BL2 runs in 32bit?
This gets recommended to me as the 64 bit-32 bit-16 bit-8 bit-4 bit-2 bit-1 bit- 0.5 Bit meme is popular.
And now we're in 2016 with the OnePlus 3 and six gigabytes of ram...
Gabe Miller i have dual core 1.8 128mb gpu 4 gb ram
Nah man, 2017
+xx_ProQuickscoper-notIluminati-DewrudeDankstorm_xx I have s1 with froyo 2.2.
Maybe I should keep it so that it comes handy in case they open a phone Museam.
W San ok why is there a michael luzzi comment here?
btw he was born yesterday
Asus was the first to 4GB RAM phone
Asus was the first to 8GB RAM phone
Sorry pal, but you misunderstand completely the concept of 32 bit or 64 bit for a microprocessor. When we talk about 32 bit x 64 bit we are talking about the size of the data bus not the size of the address bus. If we were talking about the size of the address bus your video would be correct because more bits in the address bus means more addressable memory. But when we talk about the size of the data bus we are really talking about the amount or the size of information which the microprocessor could work within a single unit of time.
In theory more information being processed at the same time could mean more processing power but only if you take advantage of that extra processing power and only if you really need too. For example text information are stored usually using only 8 bits or 16 bits so a 64 bits processor wont offer much advantage over a 32 bits processor for text processing.
For Audio processing, video processing and 3D Graphics were the processor must deal with big numbers at highest speed possible a 64 bits processor could offer a really big speed increase but only if the program is running 64 bit code and is optimized to work with 64 bits. If you have a 64 bits processor running a 32 bits video player for example probably you won´t get any increment in speed at all.
In general it is a good idea to upgrade to 64 bits cellphone or computer because the microprocessor manufactures are reaching the maximum speed limit in terms of clock speed (specified in Giga Hertz GHz) so the only way to keep increasing processing speed is by growing the data bus size and the number of processors in the same chip. So eventually the software companies will follow the silicon chip manufactures and will create software optimized for 64 bits microprocessors but it only will happen if there is users with 64 bits gear to use that software.
you are right. linus gets this stuff wrong quite frequently.
tobalnell1983 never noticed that :/. Than I probably have alot of information's that is not right...
Eric Slattery
Well, in fairness, the "big thing" about 64-bit processors is the addressing. But they only have 56 bits worth of addressing, and it still requires PAE, Yes, they do have a 64-bit data bus and 64-bit registers. But, even in "long mode," it requires a special prefix to access the registers as 64-bit. Data operations still default to 32-bit.
Eric Slattery
I don't think assembly language is that bad. It is, admittedly, tedious to do anything useful in it. (Disclaimer: In my early days, I did not actually have access to an assembler. I used a chart of opcodes.) Of course, I didn't have some lecturer teaching it to me. I learned it from books.
I'm not gonna read what you just wrote, because i actually have a life, and i don't have time for that, therefor i cannot say you are wrong, or correct you. I only read the first line where you say he's wrong. Once again, i didn't read yours, you might be right, Linus might be wrong, BUT. Linus does know what he's talking about, he wouldn't make a video about this if he didn't know. Not flaming, just saying, i haven't encountered a situation so far where he has said something wrong, and I've watched like 90% of his videos.
Watching this in 2022 with a 12 gig ram phone and a 64 bit processor
SIXTYfOur bits ... thirtyTWO bits ... SixTEen bits ... eiGht BIts ... four bits ... Two bits...
ONE BIT!
HALF BIT!
QUARTER BIT!
THE WRIST GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!
It's getting out of hand as of this time
the wrist game... quarter bit...half bit...one bit...two bits...eight bits...sixteen bits...32 bits...64 bits...128 BITS!
@@xell2371 256 Bits
Imagine someone from future sees this and laughing in 128bit
Haven't been hearing about 32bits for years now
16 BILLION GIGABYTES OF RAM
HUAHAHAHAA
xD
Bring On The Bit !!
you ONLY have 16 billion GB of ram?
I have 40 billion GB
@@sand5461 40 zettabytes of RAM? Haha I have 500 brontobyte of ram
@@cycrothelargeplanet Man thats pathetic, i have 16MB of SSD and 2048 Yottabytes of RAM
@@michaeljunction4088 that's 2 brontobytes
@@cycrothelargeplanet sh- wait what, i literally researched on google and 8 sources said Yotta is the biggest
16 BILION GIGS OF RAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOt ENUF NEEd MORE
Yeah thats some serious power that I could use
1mill copy of CS:GO
Wow...
Christian Lei google chrome be like
hassanReal LEL I COOD DOO LOTS OF TNTT ON MYNCRAFD
1:32
"Hold on a second there, cool your rainbows my pony friend"
- Linus, 2014
Underrated comment right here
Thx
I think this was a My Little Pony innuendo. Maybe he is a Brony.
*Makes a phone with a 64-bit so it can handle 16,000,000,000GB* *Keeps with 1GB for two more years* -Apple.
@erik masterchef so what?
Yeah, Apple's only vantage: MARKETING POWAH !!!
9 years ago..
And here we are in 2020 when even 16gb memory is a minimum recommendation
"Briingg onn the bits ,wheres my 128 bit?!?" xD
Someone please make 1:28 - 1:30 A MEME
Here I am in 2020 and I don't see that meme yet.
@@crazytigerspy9420 kinda
Simple Answer My Friend: DIY :)
(After 4 Years)
Now in the world of 2019 we have the Huawei P30 Pro with 8GB of RAM and Samsung Fold with 12GB of RAM
"When we will have applications that use 4GB of RAM or more"
The Samsung Galaxy S10 and OnePlus 7 Pro both have 12 GB of RAM and 1 TB of memory.
@Gökay Uğurlu *Ultra
Chrome- hold muh biscuits
@@max-dy3vs and the iphone 11 has only 4GB pf RAM. Wow
@@reclaimer0018 The Pro variants too. But it works pretty well for most applications due to good optimization.
64~bits 32~bits 16 bits 8Bits 4BITS 2BITS! 1BITCS!!! HALF!BITS! Q!U!A!T!E!R BITS
16 bits. 8 bits. 4 bits. 2 bits! 1 bit! Half bit! Quarter bit! Ttthhhheeee wwwrrriiisssttt gggaaammmeee!!!!!!!!!!
32 or 64 bit is the size of the internal registers, which get processed at every instruction and not the size of the address bus nor the external data bus. 64 bit definitely offers more processing power, also depending on the instructions the processor offers, the kind of task and how the software is optimized for it.
thank you
This guy isn't boring at all.... Subbed
damn stuck he has his own channel called linus tech tips
Why do they upload this video in 4k? Who watches that? Seriously?
Nicholas Cardenas Who the fuck needs 4k on their phone? a 1080p phone would probably have a 300< PPI.
Less compression, In gameplay videos atleast, the videos are less pixelated at the 4k mode than at 1080p unless youtube changed it recently :/
Nicholas Cardenas You might also want to have at least 6 mbps of bandwidth if you live alone if not probably twice as that.
Nicholas Cardenas yeah? I was just clarifying that if you or anyone else is going to watch videos in 4k, it will be needed more than just the right hardware but also a high speed bandwidth.
I'm watching the video in 4K, and probably a thousand more people could be watching it at 4K.
and now we're in 2020 where 4 to 8gb smartphone ram and 8gig desktop ram is a bare minimum necessity
I don't know about bare minimum... I'm doing just fine with 8gb on my desktop
@@buttersquids1063 that's because it is the bare minimum lol
Btw I have 12gb
i stil dont understand lmao
lmao same
a 32 bit computer can only handle information that can be represented by a combination of 32, 1s or 0s,. a 62 bit can handle info that would need more either 1s or 0s than 32. 64 in fact, so basically the higher the bit the more complex info that the computer can handle.
***** AHHHH thanks
+mauricious777 Actually 64bit Does have an advantage. 32bit clocks (which all run using some variation or knock off of Unix Time calculation) will reset sometime in the 2020s like the Y2K bug back in 2000 did for 16bit computers. 64 bit clocks will not reset for thousands of years.
Gareth Keenan
That's only for phones everyone
meanwhile in 2021, phones with 16gb of ram and PCs with multiple terabytes of ram
I was watching 64bit 32bit 16bit 8bit 4bit 2bit 1bit meme and i got this recommendation
It's not only about more memory, the procesors in 64 bits can imput 1 more code line per command, and that's why programs are different in 32 and 64 bits.
'16 BEILLION GEIGERBAITES OF RAM MUHAHAHAHA'
linus 2015
14
POV: you trying to find new comment beacuse this channel got in your recommended and you enjoy it
Same
Is there more to it than that? Why did Nintendo go with a 64-bit CPU if it went nowhere near that amount of RAM?
The hype train over the number of bits was still in full force back then. But I think it also reduced the threat of emulators, but then again, the N64 and your typical PC (even back in the mid to late 90s) were still fundamentally different. Even the GameCube, Wii, PS3, and 360 were far closer to Macs (before the switch to Intel) because they were using IBM made PowerPC processors.
***** I think the 64-bit CPU could have been a legacy of the Silicon Graphics computers it was based on.
Yeah I could Google it but CBF!
darkhawk1979 Exactly, why does the Iphone have a 64-bit CPU when it only has 1GB of RAM? lel, apple makes me laugh.
darkhawk1979
Probably because most developers are using 64-bit systems, now.
I think 32-bit is completely obsolete. My OS takes up about a gig just idling.
Most browsers take up about 300-700 megs, depending on varying factors.
A game takes up around 1.5gb. A modded game takes up to 3gb.
If I want to watch RUclips vids on one monitor while playing modded Mount and Blade: Warband (with 64-bit .exe hotfix) on another--
My 6gb triple-channel system barely handles that. A 3.2gb system would just flat out suck running that.
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2:49
Windows 11: "Are you challenging me?"
mhm
Well, 32 bit is all but dead in 2019 so.......
I mean to be honest, it kind of was in 2014 when this was released.
"Maybe we will need more than 4gb eventually"
Anything in 2022: you need a minimum of 16gb
@Joelthepig I have windows 10 and 2.1 gb of ram is automatically allocated to windows, and then windows uses half of the 6 gb of ram I have left, which means it uses 5gb without opening any programs (and probably more if I didn't disable things like onedrive)
Informative video. I know it's hard to compare speeds of various tasks between the two, but a couple of examples would have been instructive. I do have one example, though, that I found out by doing a comparison on my computer (a recent Alienware model) Adobe Premiere Elements 9 32-bit vs. Premiere 15 64-bit to produce a half-hour AVCHD file. Same hardware, same movie, but the former took around four hours to encode and the latter almost exactly ten minutes. The difference is so stark for this particular application that I'm still slightly stunned. There is the possibility that I'm under an illusion that I'm comparing apples to apples, so I welcome others' thoughts.
Seems like he doesn’t like pubg mobile 😹
"Up to 16 billion gigabytes of RAM. wahaahah!"
Yep, we need about that to run our favourite Java programs.
ah yes, a program that allocates as many bytes as there are 64-bit integers
Need that for electron apps too, can't forget our favourite web browsers like discord and vscode.
Windows 8.1 is dead ☠️.
we are on 10 since 2015
really now
no. 5 months ago
@@Galaxy.Windows really?
@@blockedrex yes
@@Galaxy.Windows youre special
Thanks for recommending me 5 years later
6 now it's 7
1:32 "Cool your rainbows my pony friend"
Brony reference much? /)
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ok glad to know I wasn't the only one...
Ayyyyyy
Oh boy
:thonk: /)
This pop up on my recommendations because of the new 64, 32, 16 etc bit meme
literally all flagships are 64 bit and supported here in 2018
2:53 ''their latest windows 8.1 os'', This is old
4 years ago
I thought this was going to be some fancy behind the scenes magic that you don't see, because that's what it sounded like in the WAN show, not just "more RAM".
16 billion GB RAM?!
*buys lots of RAM sticks*
Combine the sticks with chocolates in it will be delicious
Aldy P No please don't eat the ram
WARNING: EATING THE RAM WILL MAKE YOU GO BYE BYE
But damn apple does the right thing slowly moving over to 64-bit. its gonna be a perfectly smooth transition for iOS users. When i get my first 64bit android phone there'll probably be no support for 64bit apps.
Just like Windows. There's hardly any 64bit software outside of pro content creation type stuff, yet on the Mac damn near everything is 64bit. The only 32bit apps on any of my Macs are... Adobe and Microsoft made.
Vaati Reborn Yes, because the benefits are more than just addressing more memory. It means you can dump old legacy crap from your code and use the cleaner, more streamlined x64 code. x86 is still full of crap from the 16bit era. Hell, stuff from 8bit!
Vaati Reborn Running stuff like Photoshop on a 32bit system is an extremely frustrating situation. Especially if you're working with things like RAW files. Constant "out of memory" warnings.
TalesOfWar Not only that, but a few 64-bit programs are designed to take advantage of 64-bit processing. Photoshop is an example of that, as are many 3D rendering (for films/animations) and other professional multimedia production programs. Normal 64-bit desktop programs often don't take advantage of 64-bit and run just as fast as their 32-bit counterparts. The downside to 64-bit processing is that a 64-bit OS will consume at least 50% more RAM (at startup) than a 32-bit OS would. So I wouldnt put a 64-bit OS on a low to midrange smartphone just yet. In fact, even high-end smartphones in the near future should just be able to get by with PAE (a 32-bit processor function that lets it address more than 4GB of memory).
Android (and iOS for that matter) applications run on a runtime, not directly on the hardware, so there will be no transition.
if you play roblox and you want to exploit you need 64 bit :P
Imagine exploiting while your verified... Lol i will destroy your carrer
@Sincey urmomablox
Guys this 12 year old is not good enough at roblox so he needs to hack
Imagine hacking because youre a noob
Awesome explanation, and as a software developer who has written a bit of prototype kernel code (assembly), I don't say that lightly. 😀 Kudos e.g. for mentioning PAE (Physical Address Extensions, introduced with the Pentium Pro, which allowed 32-bit processors to address up to 64GB RAM), and that most of the early performance gains were more from the increased number of general-purpose registers etc. than actual 64-bit computations.
I have no corrections per se, but the 16 billion gigabytes figure at least does not apply to current desktop or server processors and may be slightly misleading. Current x86-64 (originally AMD64) processors - this hasn't changed since 2014 - only have 48 address lanes, and can therefore only address a "measly" 256 terabytes of RAM. The hard limit for future x86-64 processors - without introducing a new page table layout, that is - is 52 address lanes or 4 petabytes of RAM.
When you watch the video in 2018 and think today we have 8gb memory in some phones
Back when Linus' 4 minute videos had an almost 1 minute Sponsor segue
Me from the future here. I had 64-bit Windows XP. In 2023 I have a helluva time convincing people that that even existed. I had this same problem in the LAST century that "VisualBASIC" for DOS was a "thing" (Perhaps the ONLY time that a major Microsoft product for DOS came out AFTER the Windows version!), LOL.
Ohhh this is an old video... I was to go crazy on the comment 🤣😂🤣
Sure for now saying that a phone has a 64-bit processor is just a selling point, but it makes for a more seamless transition in the future. In Apple's case, once mobile application require 4+ GB of RAM, they're already going to be a few generations in and app developers will already have compatible apps. Pretty forward thinking if you ask me.
Yes in a 100 years when phone applications finally require more than 1gig of ram well be ready.
***** www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1404_x64&num=1
According to this test (which was on a system with 4GB of RAM) 64-bit can increase speed quite a bit, but only in a couple things like openssl and disk transaction. Graphics were the same, CPU intensive stuff was generally faster on 64-bit with the notable exception of Apache. The reason is that x86_64 has twice as many general purpose registers and they're twice as large, so it can be significantly faster for some workloads. So there is some truth to 64-bit being faster, but until we get to 4GB I don't think it'll be too useful.
Alexander Pavel Essentially what I wrote just before you, though mine was more technical about it :)
***** Most software on Windows is still 32bit because Microsoft still support 32bit so the developers don't see the point improving things. It's just laziness more than anything. The simple fact a 32bit version of Windows is still being developed and released is baffling to me, they should have killed that shit years ago when Vista launched. It was the perfect opportunity to properly future proof the platform.
TalesOfWar maybe with windows 25
Ignoring all the advanced computer science concepts and just thinking in terms of computer "eras"...I personally think 32-bit computers were way more useful than 64-bit. You could do very advanced graphics, scientific programming, and multimedia that operated just as smoothly as modern computers on Windows 3.1, 95, and the Apples of that era. A lot of 32 bit era CD-ROM software was designed so you could run the software without having to actually install it onto your computer; in the 90s everybody kept a little CD library with their games and stuff next to their PC and just popped one in if you wanted to play or work on something, which seriously saves a lot of drive space. You could do literally all of the same stuff people use computers for today on a 32 bit rig from early-mid 90s like CAD, rendering scientific graphics like meteorologist or astronomers use, music production/ DAWs, photo editing, animation, etc.
The only thing 64 bit architecture really seems to improve a little over 32 is certain types of Hollywood quality CGI effects; but if you watch modern CGI movies and compare them to even ones from the very early 90s, the actual realism of the animation hasn't really improved significantly over time. In the 90s Hollywood studios had 64 bit machines that the professionals worked with, but as far as I know the animation industry never really moved on to using higher bit machines; most professional animators just use something about like a modern 2010s gaming PC to work on instead of Silicon Graphics or something like they would have in the mid-late 90s.
If the computing world had just evolved into like a more advanced version of the 1990s where the average personal computer user use networked 32 bit computers, and only like Hollywood or the government would ever actually have a use for a 64 bit machine, I think our lives would all be a lot healthier.
If 64-bit chips can handle 16 petabytes of RAM, why do CPU manufacturers neuter their CPUs with 32, 64, adn 128GB maximums for their chips?
CPUs have 2 different kinds of bus. A Data Bus that determines the highest amount of data it can transfer to memory and an Address Bus (the important one in your question) that is the one that calls for a byte in memory.
The more amount of memory the CPU can address the bigger that bus must be. Each extra bit in the bus means an extra pin in the bottom side of the CPU which means extra design and manufacturing costs. A 4 core CPU with full 64bit address bus (for each core) means 4x64=256 pins inserted down the CPU chip. A 10 core cpu (i7 6950X) would have 640 pins just for the address bus. Do you think anyone will use 16,000.000GiB of ram in the next 10 years? So there is no need to use the whole amount of pins in that chip and if they're not needed they just reduce the bus size to a more plausible one and reduce costs.
32GiB just need a 35 bit bus. 64GiB=36 bit bus, 128GiB=37 bit bus.
Talking as a programmer, there is a benefit which I'm surprised you didn't mention. 64-bit processors can read 8 bytes each instruction and 32-bit only 4, which is hugely beneficial for 64-bit data types used in data processing of huge numbers or high resolution decimals.
surprised you were ignored am a fellow programmer well ex one but knew this all along coding for 32 bit is only redundancy while 64 bit is more free
Tech has really moved on so much from where it was in 2014. Surprisingly, the industry did work together pretty well to quickly transition away from 32 bit processors between 2014-2017. Only the very low end of devices are still using 32bit archectures these days.
Linus talk about quantum bits.
so how many bits is the wii u/ps4 linus ???????
PS4 is 64 bit because it has 8 gigs of RAM, Wii U, no idea.
32. they don't have enough ram to even use 64 bit. Especially the will u.
Francesco Fusco lol PS4 SATA 2- older than the wheel
LenChewbacca SATA II is totally fine. It's not bottlenecking anything. Not even bottlenecking an SSD because you wouldn't see transfer speeds going over SATA II specs when loading game files. And normal HDD just barely uses half of the available bandwidth of the SATA II interface.
***** It's x86-64. Like most Desktops and laptops.
2019-2020 s20ultra with 16gb and now ive seen custom phones with 64gb and 4tb storages
I wouldn't hold YOUR breath XD
What I don't quite understand is why 64-bit and not 128-bit?
Yeah thinking about the memory limitations right now is ridiculous, but so was 4gb many many years ago
What are the 'disadvantages' of going to say 128-bit or 256-bit CPU architecture? Since it requires an architectural redesign, we're going to have to go through that process when we do start getting close to 64-bit limitations. It's also not just memory, it affects integers and float values. You get rounding errors or float errors, and you can only count so high. You can't eliminate this entirely but you can greatly improve upon it with a higher bit count
There's also the possibility for a massive shift in the consumer market. 16 billion GB of RAM seems totally absurd for an individual computer even looking ahead 30 years. But that may not be the market, it could be that computing power shifts away from individual PC's into centralized mainframes that can feed thousands/millions of individual user sessions at once and that ends up being much better than trying to cram huge power into every single device individually. Huge shared resource data centers essentially.
If you need to effectively serve 300,000 discrete sessions in a combined server, you'll reach the memory limit at just 61.5TB of RAM per session which isn't so absurd projected forward 30 years
What are the disadvantages to going to 128-bit now? Is it more complicated to do? more expensive? are calculations actually slower? or is it just not essential right now therefore make it a future people problem? (hello IPv4, yeah the transition off that has been totally smooth and seamless.....)
because its unnecessary
I was trying to determine whether I should start compiling my applications as x64! Cheers ma dude.
LMAO "WHERES MY 128 BIT"
I LAUGHED SO HARD
1:49 nice high pitched linus
Musket Gaming Low-pitched actually.
64bits
32bits
16bits
8bits!
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2BITS!
1BIT!
HALF BIT!
QUARTER BIT!
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64 bits, 32 bits, 16 bits, 8 bits, 4 bits, 2 bits, 1 bit, half bit, quarter bit.
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we now have phones that have 18 GB Ram
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Watching this video in December 2019
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Me watchjng this video in november 2020 lol
To me it looks like it has never been quite clear what the "bitness" of a CPU means. Even in the "8-bit" era it used to be that CPUs had 16-bit address buses and 8-bit data buses and 8- and 16-bit registers, and still they were called "8-bit" CPUs. In all, I would say that the bitness is kind of an "umbrella" term that generally means the more the better, but the specifics can vary between each implementation. Of course when we are talking x86 (x64) compatibles, it is pretty much set in stone what kind of bit widths the address, data and registers must be.
"Bring on the bits!!! Where's my 128-bit??" I laughed hard with this XD
so atari lied to me with the atari jaguar ????
***** best comment I've seen all day
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It had 2 16bits and 1 32bits processor in it on a 64bits memory bus. So I guess it had 64bits.. kinda .
Yes, yes they did.
I want 512bit CPUs cause I want to have more Gigabytes of Ram than atoms in the universe!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm surprised you did not mention the Y2038 problem Linus. Yes I know it's still a long way to go, but it is a very valid reason to migrate to 64 bit architecture.
I'm very late but it can be fixed by just changing the Unix time counter to use 2 32bit counters instead of one