As I always do, I fixed the video. I made it Wide Screen and High Definition. I fixed the Brightness, Contrast, Hue, Sharpness, Sound, etc.... The original Video also had two other Interviews after this interview so I cut those out and I cut out any commercials that there were. If you want to see the original I will post the link below😊👍
Wow! Who's here in 2022 and beyond listening to the guy at 24:55 saying that he'll wait until 2021 and they'll have to have a new generation teaching? He nailed it!
Haha that Caller was almost right on the money. They made the overlapping generation back in 2014. Cause just like he said by 2021 the 1914 was practically gone.
I was born while WW2 was still going on. I grew up in small Southern U.S. town. Church on every corner... My parents were believers but not churchgoers. I was not indoctrinatated, but it was expected that I catch Christianity like got measle, chicken pox and all the rest. But i decided I think about it and it was okay for me to doubt. I think I was about 12, when I made that decision, I ever remember thinking that I might change my mind as got older and learned more. Well I nearly 80 and I've been an atheist for nearly 70 years. Christianity isn't special, it can't survive skepticism. It's can't overcome the Freedom to Doubt. JWs are nuttier than most but all religions are the same. Otherwise competent people believe ever one of them. It's such a waste. Living things die, they don't come back, they don't live forever. That's the way the World works. I've been married to the same woman for nearly 60 years. I have had a couple of parking tickets.
Indeed. Even in this age of information they just don't know. The GB keeps a tight rein on what they are allowed to watch and hear. As you know. Same old "apostate lies " lie that is so effective. It's tough.
I left in 1979. I still believed in this nonsense until 1981. Then I had a meeting with the elders, and their behavior I could see couldn't be motivated by "love."
Excellent video! As someone who grew up in this organization this ALL checks out to the T even after 40+ years! Except for the financial piece. The organization is filthy rich now!
Watching stuff like these just helps me to see that this organization has been wrong since the beginning and kudos to these men who did not have access to what we have today to be able to see the truth. These men paved the road for us today and we gotta keep it going. 💯
Thank you for sharing this most interesting video!!!!! Watchtower took my whole life. If you have not lived in it you can not fully understand what a cult it really is.
I dont know where or how you find these videos but thankyou for sharing! I have been out of the cult for over 16 years and I thank God daily he opened my eyes to the deception and ever changing doctrine of men know as JW's. Keep up the good work and posting these video!! 🙂🤗
Wow. I have never seen this. Thank you for sharing. Seeing this former JW decades ago describe the exact feelings I have is pretty cool and somewhat comforting.
HLC-Members give medical "advice," actually dictate, without being licensed to do so. Simultaneously they threaten their members with eternal annihilation. They blackmail them into deadly decisions. TAKE LEGAL ACTION against all HLC-Members. Make them LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE/RESPONSIBLE! File a CRIMINAL CHARGE against HLC Members! Don‘t argue, do NOT „discuss“! FILE a CRIMINAL CHARGE against HLC-Member, the legally responsible of your Branch and each of the Governing Body Members.
I wished I would had found this 30 years ago. However, I am so glad that thanks to social media and channels like yours. This information it is easier to find and more accessible.
Wow what a find. Two highly respected men. Great admirer of Peter Gregerson. The way that he knew Wt teachings were wrong and quietly dissociated himself, meaning (at the time) other JWs can still talk to them and went about his life, didn’t hurt others. Then Wt realised that any who leave are a potential threat if they do any research, so changed dissociating is the same as disfellowshipping, cutting them off. Truly awful way to treat people. Great interviews!
Absolutely loving this video. A huge thank you. I have subscribed. what a gem of an interview. I have been witnessing to the JWs for 38 years. I've never heard of this interview before. Great and thorough work.
No way anybody considering joining the jw society would continue to engage with this Society if they examined this INFORMATIVE Video. This amy be the best exposure video on RUclips
KIRSTY..What A Find A Absolute Pearl...These Men Were Ahead Of There Game... You Keep Up This Resurch . GOD is Blessing you With These Bits That Expose This For What It Truly Is...GOD BLESS..
It was only after my wake up that I started to notice critical thinking people were warning about cults! I thank all these true infos, but it’s sad that even though people have been warning, cults do continue and still exists, the sad and disappointing fact of life!
Outstanding interview! Mr Jack Webster was a long-respected broadcaster in Vancouver, BC. Just imagine the pain and suffering this Cult has imposed and continues to this day.
Kristy Ann, first of all, so much grateful for all of your efforts to increase a quality of this video. And what is most embracing IMO, this particular interview was recording in early 80's., and I was born in 1983, therefore (a tiny spoiler alert) almost a vast majority of my life had to be devoted to an organisation leading by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Now so on, with hindsight I can not tell that I completely voluntarily walked into it. And It really hurts, because If I had then the same opportunity and knowledge towards a certain issues regarding a JW dogma, as I have these days, probably I could maintain any kind of relations with my parents (which are still Jehovah's Witnesses). Unfortunately, under coercion, I agreed to be a baptised, and due to that, I'am shunned by my family now days, regardless of any circumstances. Even if I feel guilty to a certain things that had took place, I'm unable to share my thoughts with them and get to the conclusion and peace with each other. That is so painful.
Thank you for yr efforts in presenting this presentation! O, how pertinent/currently (after 45+ yrs?) pertinent! The truth about the truth! as opposed to the ever evolving (guessing!?) dogma of the (b)org. The moderator is a... "Pistol!" Brusque, no fluff/nonsense! Pimo in MD.
Wow...no wonder the org didn't/doesn't want any of it's members to talk to people who've left! These guys are 'on point'! My parents were ramrodded into baptism in 1974 with fear tactics over 1975 being the end. I can remember being told to tell my little friend [I was 10 yrs. old] that she was going to be destroyed while the elder who studied with my dad stood their and nodded his approval. My little friend ran home crying and told her parents [who would chat with a different elder when he came to their door], and they gave the next JW who came to the door the short end of the turkey. Rather than just these points being the 'standard' disagreements, the liturgy of offenses just keeps growing and growing.
What an important & enlightened discussion! Thank you so much for finding this and making it available. I am so happy these men found Christ. So many who do wake up end up so disillusioned and become agnostic/atheist - throwing out the baby with the bathwater as it were. It's so important to preserve these discussions. They continue to speak powerfully and provide a valuable perspective to support those investigating the doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Wow, this was interesting. Thank you for all the work you did to upload this from a 1980s show. I bet these two chaps were so happy to have put this crazy religion behind them. Because of their indoctrination, both still believed in God. I wonder if they ever grew out of that idea as well ?
Great Interview at the time I was surrounded by the JW. Luckly as I studied the Bible scholarly, in University. I realized how stupid their interpretation so unscholarly, this guys are the true example of people being true to the Word of God and themselves.
Thank you for sharing this interview! I had never seen this one. Everything both of these two men told is the truth. The guy interviewing them was a little rough on callers though. Especially when he cut one off by just saying, " OK BYE." Click. Even though it was harsh, I found it made me laugh. Go figure!
Well so far you are the only one who has seen this 445 have watched this so far so that is A LOT!!! I knew some of you had to have seen it because it was on Television back in the day and these two Men are extremely well known amongst Ex JW Apostates. I just thought it was cool because I have seen all the old interviews (well I THOUGHT I had seen them all) but I had never seen this so I just wanted to share it with you all😊👍
Raymond Franz wrote several excellent books about the society. He is was also a member of the GB for nine years. This was not mentioned. In Crisis of Conscience he describes his relationship with Mr Gregerson and when he was disfellowshipped after they shared a meal. It's a must read for anyone interested in insights about the organization. The caller that accused these men of judging has no clue as to what this discussion is about. It is not that simple at all.
2024 and they continue to put fear on members. I applaud these men for coming out they are helping many 🙏 Thank you for sharing and your dedication as well wonderful video ❤
As I always do, I fixed the video. I made it Wide Screen and High Definition. I fixed the Brightness, Contrast, Hue, Sharpness, Sound, etc.... The original Video also had two other Interviews after this interview so I cut those out and I cut out any commercials that there were. If you want to see the original I will post the link below😊👍
Here is the link to the original:
ruclips.net/video/NVzX03BhUAY/видео.html
Nice job on this.
Thank you for doing this!
Superb vintage viewing indeed!
Great find again Kristy. Great effort, and very much appreciated by us 💞
PS: 29:39 That’s an excellent quick summation. It is an “arrogant religion”.
Wow! Who's here in 2022 and beyond listening to the guy at 24:55 saying that he'll wait until 2021 and they'll have to have a new generation teaching? He nailed it!
Haha that Caller was almost right on the money. They made the overlapping generation back in 2014. Cause just like he said by 2021 the 1914 was practically gone.
I admire those who left before the internet was available, very courageous 💯
They were very caragaus
Thank you, that was me in the 80's.
Some things just don’t make sense so you have to separate yourself.
I was born while WW2 was still going on. I grew up in small Southern U.S. town. Church on every corner... My parents were believers but not churchgoers. I was not indoctrinatated, but it was expected that I catch Christianity like got measle, chicken pox and all the rest. But i decided I think about it and it was okay for me to doubt. I think I was about 12, when I made that decision, I ever remember thinking that I might change my mind as got older and learned more. Well I nearly 80 and I've been an atheist for nearly 70 years. Christianity isn't special, it can't survive skepticism. It's can't overcome the Freedom to Doubt. JWs are nuttier than most but all religions are the same. Otherwise competent people believe ever one of them. It's such a waste. Living things die, they don't come back, they don't live forever. That's the way the World works. I've been married to the same woman for nearly 60 years. I have had a couple of parking tickets.
Much love and respect! Wish I saw this video years ago. My pop woke up in the 90's and left with a middle finger to the society and the elders. A+++
Hats off to those JWs who quit in the 70s with no internet … they lost everything … Hero’s
Indeed. Even in this age of information they just don't know. The GB keeps a tight rein on what they are allowed to watch and hear. As you know. Same old "apostate lies " lie that is so effective. It's tough.
This cult steals families estates.
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I left in 1979. I still believed in this nonsense until 1981. Then I had a meeting with the elders, and their behavior I could see couldn't be motivated by "love."
@@sandraclark2235 Thanks again ruclips.net/video/jdlczbO5Csc/видео.html
Excellent video! As someone who grew up in this organization this ALL checks out to the T even after 40+ years! Except for the financial piece. The organization is filthy rich now!
Watching stuff like these just helps me to see that this organization has been wrong since the beginning and kudos to these men who did not have access to what we have today to be able to see the truth. These men paved the road for us today and we gotta keep it going. 💯
Thank you for resurrecting these historical spiritual gems.
WOW, what an eye opening video!
This needs to go VIRAL!!
Thanks for sharing! 🌻
Thank you for sharing this most interesting video!!!!! Watchtower took my whole life. If you have not lived in it you can not fully understand what a cult it really is.
Thank you. Was LDS but thankfully raised Baptist. Some of these dogmas don't make ape sense...you have got to think for yourself
That moderator is sooo hilarious. But this a very insightful video.
I know he is kind of mean to the callers but I think that was his thing he was known for on this show😁
Gles-geh alcoholic, or is he from Newfoundland, or something?
Omg he's so Scottish! I love it!
Wow…at 23:25 he calls the shot on the “overlapping generation” teaching.
I dont know where or how you find these videos but thankyou for sharing! I have been out of the cult for over 16 years and I thank God daily he opened my eyes to the deception and ever changing doctrine of men know as JW's. Keep up the good work and posting these video!! 🙂🤗
the most down to earth discussion about the JW'S
Thanks ruclips.net/video/gxhpJVpYoTg/видео.html
You are doing a wonderfull work for those who are trapped in the cult cercle and witnesses in general and humanity in large...
Wow. I have never seen this. Thank you for sharing. Seeing this former JW decades ago describe the exact feelings I have is pretty cool and somewhat comforting.
Brilliant find! Thank you Kristy Ann,well done,God bless,peace and love.👍❤️
what an incredible video . nothings changed
Except that we have trebles in size
HLC-Members give medical "advice," actually dictate, without being licensed to do so. Simultaneously they threaten their members with eternal annihilation. They blackmail them into deadly decisions.
TAKE LEGAL ACTION against all HLC-Members. Make them LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE/RESPONSIBLE! File a CRIMINAL CHARGE against HLC Members!
Don‘t argue, do NOT „discuss“!
FILE a CRIMINAL CHARGE against HLC-Member, the legally responsible of your Branch and each of the Governing Body Members.
I had never seen this interview before it was very informative thank you again kristy for another enlightening video 👍🙏💙
THIS INTERVIEW WAS LIKE A DELICIOUS DESSERT. THANKS KRISTY!!!
I wished I would had found this 30 years ago. However, I am so glad that thanks to social media and channels like yours. This information it is easier to find and more accessible.
And I wish the Jehovah's Witnesses will send back to Auschwitz and get gassed!
Better late than never ruclips.net/video/kGYBZnbR4Nw/видео.html
Kristy you are the best. God bless you abundantly dear. 👍🏾🙏🏾
Wow what a find. Two highly respected men. Great admirer of Peter Gregerson. The way that he knew Wt teachings were wrong and quietly dissociated himself, meaning (at the time) other JWs can still talk to them and went about his life, didn’t hurt others. Then Wt realised that any who leave are a potential threat if they do any research, so changed dissociating is the same as disfellowshipping, cutting them off. Truly awful way to treat people. Great interviews!
what an amazing video to share. Thank you!
Hello Lee-Ann
Absolutely loving this video. A huge thank you. I have subscribed. what a gem of an interview. I have been witnessing to the JWs for 38 years. I've never heard of this interview before. Great and thorough work.
Thank You Very Much! I work really hard on my videos I am hoping to one day see the Tower fall!!!
Read my comments, please,
@@chrisdurant7351 there are no comments to read unless they are like JWs version of Christ's return. Invisible (only joking)
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I love it - 2021 came and went and voila, a new belief emerges! Like magic :)
No way anybody considering joining the jw society would continue to engage with this Society if they examined this INFORMATIVE Video. This amy be the best exposure video on RUclips
KIRSTY..What A Find A Absolute Pearl...These Men Were Ahead Of There Game... You Keep Up This Resurch . GOD is Blessing you With These Bits That Expose This For What It Truly Is...GOD BLESS..
I am very glad you liked it👍😁
GOD bless both of these Brothers!
Excellent video! I love what you are doing, Kristy Ann 🙏
Marvellous video, here we are in 2022 some 40 years later, and same as it ever was, Same as it ever was. The big question is WILL THE WT. EVER END.??
Wow!!!! Love You For This Kristy Ann
It was only after my wake up that I started to notice critical thinking people were warning about cults! I thank all these true infos, but it’s sad that even though people have been warning, cults do continue and still exists, the sad and disappointing fact of life!
Great video interview, thank you.
THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING THIS!!!!!
Outstanding interview! Mr Jack Webster was a long-respected broadcaster in Vancouver, BC. Just imagine the pain and suffering this Cult has imposed and continues to this day.
Fascinating! Thank you so much! Shared. ❤
Hello Cindy!
@@georgemarcello5153 Hey there George!
@@cindylynn667 Hi 👋 how are you doing?
@@georgemarcello5153 Doing fine, thanks. Hope you are as well. 👋
Brilliant thank you so much.
Kristy Ann, first of all, so much grateful for all of your efforts to increase a quality of this video. And what is most embracing IMO, this particular interview was recording in early 80's., and I was born in 1983, therefore (a tiny spoiler alert) almost a vast majority of my life had to be devoted to an organisation leading by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Now so on, with hindsight I can not tell that I completely voluntarily walked into it. And It really hurts, because If I had then the same opportunity and knowledge towards a certain issues regarding a JW dogma, as I have these days, probably I could maintain any kind of relations with my parents (which are still Jehovah's Witnesses). Unfortunately, under coercion, I agreed to be a baptised, and due to that, I'am shunned by my family now days, regardless of any circumstances. Even if I feel guilty to a certain things that had took place, I'm unable to share my thoughts with them and get to the conclusion and peace with each other. That is so painful.
That was brilliant ! thankyou :)
Since that time we are now in 2022 and still here 👍
Thank you for yr efforts in presenting this presentation! O, how pertinent/currently (after 45+ yrs?) pertinent! The truth about the truth! as opposed to the ever evolving (guessing!?) dogma of the (b)org. The moderator is a... "Pistol!" Brusque, no fluff/nonsense!
Pimo in MD.
Great intro and interview with the two of the greatest exjws. And loved the stache Penton was sporting!
Hello Jene
These men are outstanding! Great interview. Way to stand for the truth of Jesus Christ and sharing the falsehoods of the Jehovah Witness Organization.
Good piece. Sounds like it was from today. Same tricks 40 years later
Fascinating 🤨 thanks Kristy
Well, thanks for another video. I hope you are doing well.
Wow...no wonder the org didn't/doesn't want any of it's members to talk to people who've left! These guys are 'on point'! My parents were ramrodded into baptism in 1974 with fear tactics over 1975 being the end. I can remember being told to tell my little friend [I was 10 yrs. old] that she was going to be destroyed while the elder who studied with my dad stood their and nodded his approval. My little friend ran home crying and told her parents [who would chat with a different elder when he came to their door], and they gave the next JW who came to the door the short end of the turkey. Rather than just these points being the 'standard' disagreements, the liturgy of offenses just keeps growing and growing.
Excellent, very informative!
Thank you for uploading this. Very informative.
What an important & enlightened discussion! Thank you so much for finding this and making it available. I am so happy these men found Christ. So many who do wake up end up so disillusioned and become agnostic/atheist - throwing out the baby with the bathwater as it were. It's so important to preserve these discussions. They continue to speak powerfully and provide a valuable perspective to support those investigating the doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Thank you, Kristy. Apparently, this is a foreign TV show, so we Americans didn't get to see it originally. 🌎
Yes I believe it is from Canada 😁👍
Excellent...I'm saving this one. Thank you for making this available to us!
"Little rats become big rats."
Damn. It's a cold world
And what did Christ say about children...He did not call them little rats that's for sure.
Enjoyed thank you for your sharing
These finds from the 80s are great no matter the subject
Thank you for the replay of this interview.
Very interesting. And not a false word spoken by either of these 'evil apostates'. I wish I'd seen this interview, before I joined the cult.
Thank you so much for posting this.....subbed great information .....
You are very welcome!! Thank You for Subscribing👍😁
@@KristyAnn welcome your channel is so good !!! It will help many to find the way out of there.......
I love this old show 🇨🇦. Thanks for posting it again so people can find it
I grew up listening to Jack Webster on the radio. He remsins one of the most respected journalists in Canadian history.
Thanks for your continued hard work Kristy
that was excelent. Thankyou
You are very welcome😁👍
As a exjw and the new latest apostate to yhe religion. I found this video to be quite fascinating and helpful. Thank you for posting.
Thank you Kristy for posting this interview. Saved for future use…
Amen, so glad to hear that you both are followers of Jesus Christ and are experiencing the true FREEDOM in that.❤️🎉
The devil comes as a angel of light! 😢 I wish I would have seen this in the 80s!
If I have seen it too I !
wow, what a video........been out 20yrs and still working it out....thanks
Thank you Kristy Ann ❤️
You are very welcome😁👍
EXCELLENT!! 👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Thank you for this video never saw this before yes all said is spot on!
Very interesting and enlightening, thanks for sharing.👍🏾
Great find, never seen it before. Keep up the good work 👏
This is amazing !
Wow, this was interesting. Thank you for all the work you did to upload this from a 1980s show. I bet these two chaps were so happy to have put this crazy religion behind them. Because of their indoctrination, both still believed in God. I wonder if they ever grew out of that idea as well ?
I've never even heard of these interviews.Greta work and thanks.
Great Interview at the time I was surrounded by the JW. Luckly as I studied the Bible scholarly, in University. I realized how stupid their interpretation so unscholarly, this guys are the true example of people being true to the Word of God and themselves.
I always wondered about the Governing Body if their members went a heology school. or is this a guessing game
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Great find.
Some REAL pioneers… 🎯 we needed this thank you
Thanks for bringing out this gem to us. Your contents are spot on, and I'm glad to have listened to this old interview.
Wow good stuff thanks for posting
Thank you for sharing this interview! I had never seen this one. Everything both of these two men told is the truth. The guy interviewing them was a little rough on callers though. Especially when he cut one off by just saying, " OK BYE." Click. Even though it was harsh, I found it made me laugh. Go figure!
A no-nonsense Glaswegian if ever there was one!
Great Job 👍
Hi Kristy Ann, this is Alex flores , it was nice hearing from you, thanks for the good information.
Thank you Kristy Ann you are truly doing the lords work.
All what was said is Still relevant and applicable today in the WTS
I was a circuit overseer in México and I'd like to watch this vídeo in 1987.
Contrary to your description, many have seen this, I saw this about 3 years ago, on the the back of Witnesses of Jehovah documentary. Its a good one.
Kudos
Well so far you are the only one who has seen this 445 have watched this so far so that is A LOT!!!
I knew some of you had to have seen it because it was on Television back in the day and these two Men are extremely well known amongst Ex JW Apostates. I just thought it was cool because I have seen all the old interviews (well I THOUGHT I had seen them all) but I had never seen this so I just wanted to share it with you all😊👍
I came across it during my research on Penton.
There is also another TV interview featuring some sisters from around the same time.
I’ve been an exjw for over 5 years and it’s the first I’m seeing it. Thanks for sharing Kirsty.
This is the truth about the “the truth”.
Raymond Franz wrote several excellent books about the society. He is was also a member of the GB for nine years. This was not mentioned. In Crisis of Conscience he describes his relationship with Mr Gregerson and when he was disfellowshipped after they shared a meal. It's a must read for anyone interested in insights about the organization. The caller that accused these men of judging has no clue as to what this discussion is about. It is not that simple at all.
This was a great find thanks for your research and editing!
Very surprised very good to find that on video thanks a lot
2024 and they continue to put fear on members. I applaud these men for coming out they are helping many 🙏 Thank you for sharing and your dedication as well wonderful video ❤
this is gold…
fantastic 😊
This should be on jw broadcasting
Yes, so should the Australian royal commission and Tony Morris buying alcohol on Sunday morning.
That would be a hot day in heaven! Someone would have to hack it in and they would scramble to stop it. Then say it was an attack by apostates.
Prayers for your health.
Hello Kristina! How are you?
@@georgemarcello5153 Having after effects from having had Covid Ba2 in March.
@@KristinaUSA-x5n Oh I’m incredibly sorry 😢 Are you fully vaccinated?
@@georgemarcello5153 Yes. I am, but apparently you can still get Covid and then it reactivated dormant viruses and inflammatory effects.
@@KristinaUSA-x5n Oh i see, Speedy recovery! How often do you see Dr?
Very good video. I pray that my sister and her family will watch.
Great video