Cricbuzz LIVE panel discusses the impact of Kolpak on South Africa cricket
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Kolpak deals have effected major retirements from South African international cricket in the past few years. Our panel on #CricbuzzLIVE discusses the reason behind this exodus
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rilee rossouw, kyle abbott, duanne olivier, colin ingram, are all huge losses to south african cricket. they would've walked into this side
Liar😂 probably only Rilee and Abbot
@@Xavier-nq3oi duanne Oliver took 25 wickets in 3matches
Blame the ANC for ruining SA
@@FlyingBoer Bring people up to speed than playing the blame game.
@@abinashgogoi9575 questionable, batters would adjust to his bowling; one dimensional bowling.
Rilee Rossouw was a very talented batsmen..remember that superman six he hit in world cup 2015...apart from that he was one for the future...Kolpak destroyed his career...by now he would have been a mature senior player who have made played many match winning knocks in Middle order
Yeah remember that against WI, seems they lose the patience of waiting for their chances e to come also,
Yeah. I thought i am the only who remembers that epic shot 😄
Kolpak didn't destroy his career, in fact he made a career out of kolpak!! He made money out of kolpak and he made that choice so everything's okay don't overreact
CSA destroyed his career you fool. Atleast live up to your name.
South African quota system, the rule to play five players of colour led their players to take the Kolpak route
South African quota system, the rule to play five players of colour led their players to take the Kolpak route
6 black or coloured players quota system forces white players to opt for kolpac deal as there are very little chances for them to make it to SA team..
What is this quota system in cricket?
@@abhimanusingh66 in south Africa cricket team it is mandatory to have 5 people of black,brown skin color..
You can't have more than 6 white players in team..
Think about it also being inforced at school level, how many youngsters actually drop out or move abroad to greener pastures. My country must get over their racist policies and focus on grass root developments.
They forgot to mention Colin Ingram in the list, he too could've been a great player for South Africa. By the way, Jaques Rudolph too played county cricket as a kolpak cricketer for some years, then came back and represented South Africa lately in his career. We hope to see some of those returning back.
Kolpak deals have been possible due to EU laws. After Brexit Kolpak deals will not be possible, unless UK signs a similar agreement with South Africa. This apparent end to Kolpak deals after Brexit, may be driving some players to sign it while they have the opportunity.
And now Kyle Abbott takes 17 in a county game
That means South Africa won't be great anymore! Such a shame!
It's not a new thing
Such a genuine discussion from two players who have not played competitive sport.... The guy from Zimbabwe is telling the truth.... It's economics and not patriotism...
He forget racist politics, conveniently.
Colin Degrandhome, Neil Wagner
I don't see South Africa winning cricket world cup maybe T20 WORLD CUP but not ODI.
Dont write off so quickly
They can win ODI WC but not T20.. They suck at T20 WC
Such an honest and logical discussion - coming from the perspective of the players.
02:00 Kyle Abbott off spinner really!!!!
I was shocked
Kyle Abbot just made a new world record in bowling
@Orko Bhaduri 17 wickets in single test match in county cricket
@Orko Bhaduri due to his height and talent kyle abbott is very dangerous bowler he made many records still south africa used to drop him due to racial quota
@@mr.exterminator8335 steyn,velander, morne morkel and Rabada where was a bias there?
Kolpak and quota system topic very close to my heart..
Why?
@@sirlordhenrymortimer6620 due to love of s.a cricket
@@1000ashwanirana it is happening because if the anti-white policy of the ANC and because if Julius malema's pressure tactics to get as many blacks in every social aspects of the South African lives .
It's not just in cricket but in other sports like rugby , that's why SA rugby team is not sane as it once used to be .
SA economy is also down the sane road as Zimbabwe. Stealing lands from the whites and distributing it amongst there cronies .
@@sirlordhenrymortimer6620 like it should be yes
Blame Quota system. Just SA ANC government have destroyed cricket.
It doesn't matter, the black players that have made to SA have been awesome, rabada, philander, now ngidi, bavuma. The truth is there isnt enough money in SA local cricket and that's the main reason. Only if greedy cricket boards like BCCI, AUS, and ENG could leave some profit for other boards.
Hope cricket doesn't die in SA too.
@@the_reality_of_the_virtual3212 I'm someone that has been effected by the quota system in 2 different sports in SA. Don't you think it's strange that 90% of kolpak signers are white? There is no future for white people in SA in sports. They have families and need to provide for them. It's only logical to do this
@@the_reality_of_the_virtual3212 the quota system is even present in schools. We had a black player who didn't know shit about cricket and was terrible, but he must play or else the team was not allowed to play. The quota system is present in every sport in SA and it effects only white people. Don't be surprised if more SA players do this, because it won't stop anytime soon
@@the_reality_of_the_virtual3212 Bavuma averages 30 in test cricket.
I'd like to know how many people in India commenting against Kolpak deal will stay in India if they get to work at onsite location in the UK or US 😃
Right bro
If I get to play for India,I would never go to UK or US,but here the situation is different,equal opportunity is not granted in SA due to quota system,so to get a better living players have to move on
@@vvs9235 I was talking about a general or IT job. In India, you will live a decent life even if you play first class cricket. It's not the case in SA.
SA players have been signing Kolpak deals only coz of d uncertainity that they wudn't be able to get into the Team due to Quota system which is not a fair comparison to having a Job at hand and deciding whether to move or not to a foreign place!!
@@fherozzz1 absolutely right
Rilee Russow, Kyle Abbott and duanne Olivier are big losses.
They the real winner and they will be part of world champion team.
We will be new superpower in cricket
Yes, Sir Henry Mortimer. Of course, yes. Didn't you say England are going to win the Ashes 4-1? I remember saying England will probably win but Australia in England is far better than England in Australia. England has 1 (only 1) good quality test standard batsman Root who has declined from almost great but not quite great level (like say Pietersen or Hayden or Sehwag or Amla) to Ian Bell level. Rest average 35 or below for a very good reason; even though Stokes and Bairstow are among the luckiest batsmen I have ever seen. Archer is a great,great addition. I rckon England will lose next Ashes in Australia as well.
@@sdroy84agt yes, I said it will be 4-1 and the reason being I thought Anderson will be fit to play and a bowling attack of Jimmy , board , archer would simply obliterate the Aussies but Jimmy was out injured and despite, this being one of our weakest sides since, the 90's and England test team being in transition marred by poor selection we managed to draw the series . We beat Aussies in Australia which had Clarke, ponting ,hussey, Bret Lee but Australia will never ever beat us in England . As for the series down under if we build strong core players and solidify our bowling unit we might win or atleast draw the test series .
Labuschegne is pretty lucky batsman too so was players like wade , head in this series so , I would like to know your parameter for judging player's luck .
Actually Labuschagne was very lucky as well. But Stokes luck is in a different stratosphere. Without Paine's sh*t captaincy Australia would have easily won the series 3-1. And English batting talent. Please don't make us laugh. Except Root & Cook not one high quality batsmen produced by England in last 25 years. Pietersen was imported from SA. England are only good for producing 30-odd averaging batsmen (only Bell, Trescothick, Vaughan are the notable exceptions and only just). Unfortunately, even Australia is going the same way nowadays. Except India and SL other teams are not producing even decent quality test batsmen nowadays (who can average 38+).
@@sdroy84agt Australia's luck allowed them to retain the ashes Jimmy was injured, poor team selection , root's poor captaincy , pain winning toss 4 times . So, in the end everything evens out .
The ashes would've been ours atleast had there been 10 more overs in that lord's test match .
Some serious thoughts from our Africano bwangwa !
Reflect you Indians Gs
The ICC tried and determinate the Kerry Packer,s dream, today it exists all over the world. How unfair the ICC organization have been over the years. Cricketers have to survive and if there is money to be made elsewhere WHY NOT.
Is south africa really becoming all black team?
@Cliffard Gerber Stop spreading your propoganda everywhere.
It's just because there is no money in SA local cricket. Plain and simple.
Arjun singh Ranbir singh it’s not propaganda..........he’s 100% correct!
@@lakechapalabaptistchurch1023 wessels left during the apartheid time and labuschagne left the country as kid and KP was a rubbish spinner before becoming a batsman in England so stop lying .Yes there may be lack of opportunities but one could also say if the quota was not there deserving black players would be overlooked.
@@the_reality_of_the_virtual3212 stop shooting down the truth, I would like you to explain the reason behind the financial issues with our domestic league?
Yes like Zimbabwe, they will fail
I think kolpak is the biggest enemy of south african cricket. Duanne olivier would have been great but he also fell prey to kolpak
Duane Oliver is a surprise for me.
I didn't knew about him.
this is a loss.
The major issue of the kolpack problem is how the South African domestic scene is suffering , most if these players would mot be protea certainties but would definitely strengthen the domestic sides making the leagues and there fore other players better but now its the equivalent of the 1st and 2nd division in the english football league ! 😥
Kolpak is the best thing happened to ECB and we need to poach more talent .
Harmar , russow will maybe great for ECB
SIR Lord Henry mortimer ECB couldn't handle the talent like KP n you are saying you will take care of other lesser mortals. World Cricket will always hate ECB for wasting talent like KP. Love u KP
@@vinayahirrao8336 no body in the world likes India apart from Indians themselves . Bcci is one of the most hated cricket boards in the world due to there monopoly over ICC
@@sirlordhenrymortimer6620
It's not our fault that other countries doesn't give enough support to their country's cricket to attract enough *investors* despite their developed country status.
But it's true that noone likes the one with power
Indian cricket crowds are more respectful now
BCCI gave Afghanistan something to take their minds off things in tense situations of the country. Give them a local Indian stadium to practice and have their matches
Lots of foreign players gets more love in India than their respective countries. Gayle ABD Smith and even Pakistan born players like Tahir
India has rare cheating scandals (including the history) while Australians are infamous for it and England upto an extent as well including a lot of their umpires
Generates 70% of all the cricket revenue
Brands and money being invested in it cause India is involved
2nd largest sport because of India
So you hate Indian cricket for the sake of hating Indians and Indian cricket which is fine. You are entitled to you opinion. If people were white on this side the you'd probably be having a different opinion(if you are a white person)
I still dont hate or dislike people like you. I get where you are coming from despite having no proper argument for your claim especially when you think of England's contribution to world cricket right now. (I'll say the English supporters are quite good when it comes to attending Women's cricket. Better than India probably so I'll give credit where its due)
If rest of the cricket world hates India beside Indians then that would still be less than 50% of the cricket watchers probably
But like I said I get it. If I was from any country. Liked a sport where everywhere I see on the internet are the people from another country(eg most comments on ashes series on youtube are also Indians). I'd probably feel unnecessary resentment as well towards that group and the country
Especially when that group have good chunk of people that are bit cheesy like Indians
@@sakshambhardwaj4528 no hates Indians per say but ever since, our WC win and since, the rest of the world lost the stick they used to beat us with there's new resentment towards English cricket which manifest in things like "oh NZ were the *real* winners", England was *lucky* , England doesn't deserved to be the champions .
I generally don't hate anyone but I just can't stand when people have this holier than thou attitude and spew gibberish which doesn't make any sense.
We are the second largest and richest cricket board in the world . We are the forefront of several changes that is taking place in the world cricket .
If you want to know what's our contribution to the world cricket .
We laid down the foundation of cricket , we created T20, we created the rules of the game , we have kept test cricket alive . We are in the forefront of popularising the sport in Europe and the rest of the world . Players from Denmark , Ireland, Scotland play in county cricket . We are also the reason why cricket will be finally at the Olympics in 2026 which will popularise the sport world wide.
So, questioning england's contribution to cricket will be similar to questioning Jupiter (god) his credentials .
Why blame England for kolpak deals when players from countries like SA want to secure there future and want best for there families . It's not our fault that the radical black government in SA want affirmative action plan for there cricket team .
For god sake don't make each and everything into race issue . Indians are not that polite gentile cricketing nations as they claim to be maybe , earlier but kohli is a whining brat , Sharma is a dickhead and most of the current Indian players are just plain arrogant , Indians sledge too and some of them are extremely boorish
India during the late 90's were involved in match fixing scandals and Sachin and dravid were once accused of ball tampering .
@@sirlordhenrymortimer6620 you just whined about kohli being a whiner. Surely, the recent whipping of english players by steve smith has dented your fake ego. My goodness, the more them english fans booed him the more he whipped them. 😂
Money and reservation system is the cause. When your own country treats you second class while another country offers more financial stability for your chosen profession, you can't blame the players. Pommie tried to play it safe here. SA Cricket does have a racist policy. When white people have to be as good as AB and Dale to get to be the main stay, while remaining are mostly mediocre, its hard.
What is Kolpak?
South Africa is one of my favourite team alongside New Zealand by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I remember South Africa cricketing powerhouse in sports ie football but mostly rugby and cricket by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I would rather go to work ie a Government job a part time college student than I play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Perhaps it has more to do with the contracts cricket South Africa dishes out to certain players.
Very soon South Africa cricket will fall and ultimately turn into Zimbabwie. The Quota System will screw South African cricket.
South Africa has talent in sports ie rugby hockey and mostly cricket by Steve Irungu Jermaine
England will be the biggest winner due to kolpack pact.
Kyle Abbott
he is not off-spinner change it
I remember South Africa cricketing powerhouse by Steve Irungu Jermaine
South Africa has sporting talent ie rugby hockey and mostly Cricket by Steve Irungu Jermaine
David wiese was a very talented all rounder. Simon Harmer and Tabraiz Shamsi could have been a great combo for South Africa.
I would rather work ie a Government job and a part time college student and lastly to play cricket as a part time career but to play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Kyle Abbott skillset OffSpinner ? @Cricbizz seriously?
Then you have not seen him bowl...where he lost place in the side due to philander...
Mbangwa speaks really well
I would rather work ie a Government job and a part time college student but to play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
NewZealand is one of my favourite team alongside South Africa by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I would rather work ie a Government job and a part time college student but to play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket to me it's a hell NO I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I have tromendous respect for you Kyle Abbot by Steve Irungu Jermaine
SouthAfrica is talented in sports ie rugby hockey and mostly Cricket by Steve Irungu Jermaine
South Africa is one of the best teams in world Cricket by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I thank God for the gift of salvation and lastly a job ie Government job and a part time college student as a part time student but to play cricket as a free agent but to play cricket for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket to me it's a hell NO I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I would rather go to work ie a Government job and a part time college student than I play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I have decided to quit playing for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I shut the door on playing for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu
I have shut the door on playing for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I closed the door for playing for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I would rather go to work ie a Government job and a part time college student but to play cricket as a part time career but to play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket to me it's a hell NO by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I shut down the door for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
It's not about the issue of patriosm it's about personal choice by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I shut the door on playing for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
South Africa was once cricketing nation by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Well.... They didn't discuss the main reason for it which is Racial quota that exists in South African cricket. Most white players are the sufferers of it and hence they are leaving
I will never play for my country ie Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
South Africa was one of the best teams in world cricket by Steve Irungu Jermaine
South Africa has talent ie hockey and mostly cricket by Steve Irungu Jermaine
It's a personal choice by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I want to be a kolpak player by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I would rather work ie a Government job and a college student but to play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket to me it's a hell NO by Steve Irungu Jermaine
I will never play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket period I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
South Africa was once a top cricketing nation by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Where is Harsha????
Reservation system is the main culprit.
Also Colin Ingram
I shut the door on playing my country of birth Kenya ie cricket I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
The issue is not about money its about quota system
People are seriously overreacting there's been a handle-full of players thats have left and even less that would have actually regularly played for SA.
It's a personal choice period than I play for my country of birth Kenya ie cricket and being a fustrated person I'm extremely sorry 😐😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 😔😔 that's the bitter truth by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Dont blame only qwouta system also rsa cricket association whatever it is in india bcci is very good in that
Gaurav's tone for the topic is off.
Kyle abott is not a off-spinner
*harmar is off spinner
Kyle abbot is fast bowler lol
Hashim Aamala Could be a legends if tried Young
What a joke. This is almost entirely about race.
Riley russow and Abbot are real letdowns considering the resources CSA had invested in both of them. ATM rabada is looking flat and ngidi hasn't raised any eyebrows since his debut. This tour will be the ultimate test of all SA fast bowlers. Can anyone of them do what Dale Steyn has done in India, Pak and Sri Lanka? The subcontinent is a fast bowlers graveyard, it seperates the ATG's from the ok/good bowlers.
Please don't spoil southafrica cricket team I am pleading to CSA please change the reservation policy encourage the talent black or white safe south Africa cricket.
Kolpak Destroyed SouthAfrican Cricket.
Quota System has destroyed SA cricket. Certain amount of coloured cricketers must play in the final eleven.
South African team is Best Before Reservation
Missing Hashim😓
The top order is possibly the weakest SA have had in twenty years. Elgar and Faf are out of form. Bavuma is questionable at 3 or 4. Markram and De Kok will have too much to do. The scariest thing is the lack of talent to back up the current top six. Bavuma has a test average of 30 odd and I believe it's far lower when he is higher up the order. At six Bavuma was an excellent option but at 3 or 4, I have my doubts. Theunis de Bruyn has a test average of 20 odd and he will have to deliver far beyond this but he seems to be prone to get out cheaply. Top six for India - Markram, Elgar, Bavuma, Du Plessis, de Bruyn, De Kok. Do we add in Hamza and bat De Kok at 7? I predict many low scores by South Africa unless somehow this top six defies statistics and delivers beyond expectation.
Also talk about the quota system
Guys you do know SA implemented the same thing for the rugby team - oh they won the last World Cup....it’s not equality it is equity but it’s worked...calm the fuck down
None of the players who signed kolpak deal made it big in the england... I don't see anyone getting selected for England team
It’s because they’re not eligible. They have to serve a 3 year residency before they’re eligible.
@@lakechapalabaptistchurch1023 SA's loss. Anglo-Celtic countries gain.
I played football I played basketball 🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀 but I choose cricket so help me God in Jesus name Amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Parnell also return to south africa
Quota system ka farq para aur paisa lalsi hain woh log
Where is Ajay???😉
Olivier returns south africa
Colin ingram and Rile rossow are huge loss to the unprecedented seeming south african team
The death of cricket in South Africa
Brexit Will Help SA Cricket Finally
Gaurav is back
I would rather work ie a Government Job and a part time college student but to play Cricket as a part time carrer period so help me God in Jesus name Amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 by Steve Irungu Jermaine
Let's imagine if a quota is made in Indian Team for foreign players then all our fast bowlers would be all foreigners.
Except bhumra
Kyle Abbott skillset : off spinner 😄🤔🤔