Unfortunately the panels are long gone. Basically any link I would put there would expire fast currently. That flex panel link is just a proven source, since a friend bought these. It's more suitable for balcony installations. You can get hard framed panels for 150€/350W atm with some waiting time. Don't feed the scalpers
Having the mains on the roof is still safer than having high voltage DC (many panels in series), which easily can start fires if not wired properly or exposed to moisture and therefore producing arcs. As long as your protective earth is working (testing the breaker) everything will be alright when a fault does occur
The single panel like shown in the beginning lasted several storms in the past 3 years without moving anywhere. Last storm was Zeynep with speeds around 150km/h. Those panels are quite heavy. The wind always comes from the front of the garage since it's the luv of the hill I'm living on. There is no gap for the air to go underneath the panel this way. I guess it doesn't cost much effort to just screw it to some slat and put some extra sand sacks to hold it better in place. I'm too lazy though 😂
Great stuff. I did something similar but you need to consider WIND. At some point you will have strong winds from the wrong direction. I used stainless steel wire to strap the panels to a fix point. Before this, wind moved all my panels but I was lucky. No damage but only due to luck.
I just finished to installed two 420 W panels on the wall of my house. I've bought all separately like you because of the high prices of kits. I had a APSystem micro inverter that seems to work only in certains security condition. For now I'm just at the step of connecting all things together and see if all is properly working! In France you have to declare to the network manager company that you are going to install a micro inverter and be able to send in the public network the excess of electricity produced and so you have to give them a proper certificate for the micro inverter. It's why I didn't bought the one you get because no certificate was available in French... they only accept them in French! So I hope this will work properly as I thought! Thanks for sharing your experience.
I put 2 250w panels on my shed roof a few years ago, and it has already made over 1.6MW of power in that time. Not bad for £100 of panels and a £70 inverter :). I brought the DC down from the roof into the shed, where it goes into a DC circuit breaker, that way I can connect whatever I want to it without climbing onto the roof which was never really designed to have people standing on it.
The cheap micro inverters often have insufficient filtering resulting in many spurious harmonics and failing to comply with EMC regulations. They are by far the most problematic consumer RF noise source now a days.
iv had one 250watt panel on my garage roof here in UK for 8years with a Replus micro inverter been great no problems, i refused a smart meter i told them the meter ant that smart as it will charge me for power, for pushing power back to them . i have also put an aluminium cross piece on penal and weighted it no storm has mover it an inch yet. as far as getting to trouble as long as you don't have an analogue meter spinning backwards then no problem ,if you are doing DIY a few panels only is the way to go ,as it grid tie say 400 or 500 watts then thats best way to go you will be using most of that output. A word on cheap Chinese invers they don't last long ,Enphase is the best you'll probably get a life time out of them, i got 6 months form cheap Chinese one , i'm on 8th year Renesola Replus micro inverter but i can't find them anymore as i have jest got another 235watt panel, Enphase are expensive ,may have to bite the bullet .
nice video, I've done the same for the last 2 years, 600 watts at 24volts and 100watts at 12volts into battery storage and then into grid tie, pay only for 1Kw or their abouts a day (40P). It's the way to go, switch my gas boiler off too so pay nothing for that either
@@leps75 if you connect grid-tie-inverter in parallel with charge-controller then the battery will not feed into the grid (method 1). Alternatively, if you connect grid-tie-inverter to the battery you can automatically connect/disconnect the grid-tie-inverter using a Relay with an on/off signal coming off from the Load terminal on the charge-controller (method 2). Alternatively, there's a larger pricier charge-controller that combine all 3 device into 1 (method 3) .
@@xponen that is true, but solar works during the day, when most people are out. It's when the sun comes down and we all get sucked into are electrical life and there is no solar... A battery allows you to shave that peak rate. * Most people are getting suckered with lfp fake battery info and high prices. So yes. They could use la for 100 times less. @bitluni to the rescue there ??
I couldn’t quite work out if you were planning to mount the unit flat under the panels and trust that the seals hold ? In the past mounting vertically and leaving a small moisture exit point at the bottom edge has worked for my outdoor projects. Sometimes a small piece of gauze helps stop bug visitors. Good luck!
Nice. We're not allowed to do it ourselves in the UK. Well I mean if you wanted to do it legally then you would need an "MCS" approved installer to do it. I have two solar arrays and I wish I had space for more, so I recently put one on my shed roof and used an MPPT charger to charge two LiFePO4 batteries and then I run everything in my shed workshop from that.
It seems like we're in a similar situation on the other side of the channel. The government provides many nice things like tax breaks on solar panels (10% instead of 20) and financial aids but of course there's a problem: the whole installation has to be done by a pro which negates all of these nice advantages.
I believe you actually can do this youself without MCS approved but your not allowed to get any FIT/SEQ (paid from the energy exported or generated). Also you are limited on what size you can connect to the grid. You do need to let your DNO know however but shouldnt be an issue for small installations that are compliant with safety standards
I've seen nothing that suggests that this is not accepted in UK. The installers with MCS approvals might want you to think otherwise, of course. But then they are limited to 5kW systems whereas those that do not feed back into the national electrical grid can be any size that suits the project.
thanx a lot for showing inverter inside quality is better i thought. Now i have a new project for summer. To be bit save for brown- or blackouts i will build up an island solution for solar disconnected from the grid.
You can build something like this, hidden, no legal (who cares), but posting it on youtube with full adress? Good way to gain interest of the network provider and other authorities. BTW: The rest of the wiring in the shed is also terrible :-) The trouble starts if somethings goes wrong, eg. a fire starts. The insurance may no pay. This is the danger of "non official" installations. 🙂
@@pepethefrog7193 I don't think I've seen an old-school meter in use for over a decade. I'm specifically referring to the Itron meters which have been in my area for close to twenty years. I'm getting my information from the technical manual for the meter as presented in its FCC filing.
Du könntest ein bisschen was gegen die HF störungen machen die die teile abgeben ... damit habe ich nämlich extreme probleme ... ein einfacher Netzfilter hat es leider nicht beseitigt, wäre bestimmt ein Video wert
Its also a good idea to get more pannel power with only a 600w inverter to be under the limit and get more during the mornig and evening. With these aliexpress inverters i also got issues with the powerline ethernet i guess they got bad emf
Something to note here is that the regulations don't apply if are completely off grid. But since the regulations are still kinda dumb the entire building is not allowed to have a grid connection. Just proper separation is not enough.
Ich habe den gleichen in der 1200W Version der bei 600W schon sehr heiß wird. Deiner wird nicht alt werden, die Kondensatoren werden zu heiß. Deshalb montiere ich die Inverter IMMER in der Garage, dort ist es kühler. Zudem ist der Wechselrichter NICHT wasserdicht, auch wenn das drauf steht, wirst schon sehen.
these things weight a ton. They only look so light because I'm so strong 😂. We have winds over 100km/h here regularly nothing happened so far. If it does someday it will be content :-D
Id wish i could only use 2 panels, 3 Computers 24x7 x750wh are the main consumers and that @ 35c luckily we have 30 panels giving 80KHW at sunny summertime days.. good for 11000 KHw per year. ROI two-three years currently
i wish the us had such allowances for adding small panels with smart inverters. saw a video in california how a homeowner had to pay 20k for a contractor to install a ghetto 3kwh system with no storage on shelby churches channel. maybe $1800 worth of solar but she had to pay 20k for licensed install and permitting. really destroys the pay back period. i recently installed 200wat of flexible panels on my ev since there is no permitting needed and EV electricity is one of the most expensive. very simple setup wired into the 12v system but still offsets the consumption of the highvoltage battery. surprised no one else has really done this oneline. 11-18mo payback period. couldnt get such returns investing
Can i plug two more inverters on diffrent phases and have 3 phase inverter? Will it work? Do i need to connect inverters togeather with data cable to have nice sine on 3 phase or not?
Im not sure what's the average temperature you have during the summer, but if it is pretty hot, you might want to add some extra gap between the panel and the roof to get a few more Watts.
I am curious if there are systems that come with an inverter each? e.g. so I could buy one or two panels + inverter and later upgrade with another 1/2 panels + inverter? I like the idea of having more modular setup's that can be improved over the years rather than paying for a large system all at once (and risking that they all fail at once if something goes wrong)
Hello mate, Excellent video!! One question, is it possible to give the direct link to the 700w microinverter that you bought in Ali, please? Because the first link that you have in the description it’s no going directly to the microinverter! Thanks
Nice little setup, don't forget to bolt the panels down somehow, or they could go flying in a storm! I've just got myself another 6 panels and all the mounting gubbins to install on my house roof... Just trying to talk my brother into assisting! BTW, I don't know about your panels, but on mine it said that they're warranty is void if they don't have at least a 10 degree slope on them (I assume for drainage). Given your location, ideally you would want more anyway.
These are illegal in Australia as by plugging them into a power point like that you are bypassing any protections you may have in your switch box... i.e. earth leakage, et cetera. Another issue is if you have someone come to work on your property and they turn off the mains thinking the power will then be off and safe, it actually won't be off because your setup is providing power that will kill some unsuspecting person.
Bit late but.This are on grid inverter.They Need to read Power coming from the house or the will not turn on.what you Say Is what happen with off grid inverter
Great demo on how to do it but how do you keep your grid tie secure? I have looked in to this plug and play, and some "experts" mentioned that this will lead to having electricity in the grid even in case of electric shock or short circuit. Is this true and is there a way to get around this?
bought one WVC600 LIFE it is connected to a 350w 60-120cell panel and the blue light keeps flashing.. I don’t know what to do. advice please. I also never connected to any internet.. is this necessary?
Hi I am living in Germany as well. may I ask if I want to have more power, can I take few sets of 800w system without any trouble? I have many wall power plug sockets in the house😂😂😂
Can't u use the a AC output of the micro inverter and connect it to a 4gang extension lead so I get AC power without conecting to the grid and batteries please let me know as I need to do testing outdoors
How would these compare to the enphase micro inverters? One single enphase micro inverter is in the same price range, however Enphase micro inverters are meant for 1 panel i think, these can handle 2 of them.
Sehr nice. Ich will mir auch 600W bis 1kW aufs Garagendach legen für eine 600Wp "Balkonkraftwerk". Ich bin auf dein Video bzgl. laden vom eAuto gespannt. Mein ICCB zieht min. 600W. Ich glaube nicht das ich das mit den Panels bzw. dem Inverter abdecken kann. Aber da es die selbe Phase ist (Garage), kann ich dadurch vielleicht im Sommer 75% durch die Panels abdecken und den rest aus dem Netz halt beziehen.
Hi! I have a question so if i plug in straight to the socket what is fused by livingroom sockets...i only will get power from inverter on that fuse circuit or the whole house ?
Does this work if you already have solar edge PV system installed (i mean the one with DC strings). I wonder if I add additonal micro inverter to my grid, can it damage my main PV when there will be surplus from micro inverter?
Is it not dangerous plugging it into a socket. Presumably that socket is one which if you plugged something in, it would power it? So you are putting power in, via something that gives power out?
I read several times that those WVC micro inverters are known for not giving the full power output, although it could be panel compatibility issues. As a continuity review: are you seeing 600w continuous output in the central hours of a sunny day? Danke
Hi, thinking ahead…… have you managed to work out how to get this micro inverter working if there is no voltage present on the main supply…… in the event of a power outage?
I also just got one of these WVC inverters with wifi, which can be controlled with the "cloud intelligence" app. Can''t find anyone having reversed the API to integrate it with homeassistant. Do you by chance plan on writing your own firmware for the inverter? I chose this model for having the option to throttle the output, as I have it connected to a battery instead of directly to solar.
how many panels would you need to recharge an EV car forever? is it feasible? the only problem is the EV car companies can brick your car remotely at any time
Not bad. Prices have gone up for this hardware and they're problems known .. where the micro invert melts. They are at scalper prices as the 1200watt was £89. I thinks it's £289 now?? But they break fairly quickly. (There is a website by model number for the problems) These plug and play.... Ish systems I was going to do as my solar low budget. But they are too dangerous/risky. The mounting not good.. if you have mastic base.then the solid packing foam (like neoprene) and then fix it down to the joist. The law here allows on 20cm angle from a roof. Which is sad as 20 degress is the summer, but 20 off vertical in winter can make 50% difference. I guess the dictators don't want people taking or saving money. Keep the updates going. And I think 300w panels are the limit to the device some one has said.
They don't work without the 50/60Hz from the grid. There are however hybrid inverters that you put between grid and your installation that will switch automatically
Does the micro inverter feature an "NA-Schutz"? Isn't it required to have some sort of protection either by a special plug or some sort of protection mechanism?
I'm just curious, if you plug the inverter AC output into the wall circuit, would it affect the incoming AC coming from the grid? Short-circuit? Or does it somehow regulates itself?
Very interesting project. I have a question if you have the time to give me some insights. What happens (not with the smart meter but with the older mechanical one) if you completely cut the mains power and leave the PV as the sole power source ?
nothing happens. the inverter only produces power when it gets a feedback from the mains. it's a security feature and must have in Germany. otherwise you could switch the main breakers off because you want to change a light bulb. but if the inverter wouldn't care about it it would send 230v into the system and you could get electrocuted. so this is not a blackout fallback.
@@gnashermedia Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. So this is not a backup solution, only a money saving option as long as the mains grid provides electricity. I conclude that having PV as backup it requires a hybrid inverter and batteries.
@@nikolaskallianiotis8622 Happy if I can help. I'm not a PV specialist. So take my 5 cent with a grain of salt. ;). To have a backup system using PV you need a mains integrated system. There are quite a few of there. The idea is that you have solar panels that charge a battery system and also provide power trough this battery system. To be exact the panels feed an inverter. This one charges the battery and provides the mains power support. Then you need a system that checks the mains power. If power is there you charge the battery and feed the rest into your mains and everything that is not used goes into the mains network. If mains power fails, than this system that monitors the mains tells the inverter to use the solar and battery power and it also drops the connection of your house for example from the mains. At this moment you are on a so called Island mode. You are a small island with your own power as long as the battery has power or the sun shines. If the system detects that the mains power is back it switches the mains back into your house and your back to solar supported usage. There are many systems that have this integrated. You need a system that monitors everything and manages the power handling. Those mini PV systems as in this video are only a support to save money and make your own environment friendly power. With a rating of 300 to 600W your can cover most of the standby usage of your devices for example. Instead of a big system you can use a power station or UPS to secure a few devices like computer or fridge etc. against a power loss. In case of a blackout you can also build a micro island. A power station like a EcoFlow River or Delta has Mains and PV input and supports something between 1000 and 2000 Watt output. So if you have something that shall be protected you can plug it into the power station and the power station into the mains. In case of power loss the station takes over as long as the battery lasts. If the blackout takes longer you can use solar panels to recharge the station over the day. That's what I have to secure some essential and vital systems I need. The power station lasts in my case 12 to 20 hours and I have 2x 100Wp panels to charge the station.
@@gnashermedia Great info indeed!!! That's what I need in fact. A backup system for power outages. Now here in Europe and especially in my case, Greece we expect during the summer lots of power outages because for (stupid) reasons not to mention here, we have based our main power generation on Wind Turbines and secondly on PV therefore our coal/gas and hydro generation is now the minority. So my urgent need is to support critical loads with some PV/backup system which won't cost an arm and a leg. Thanks again for your help!
As always, cool useful project! Some questions arise since I considered the same model: you write in the description output can be clamped to the required 600W to meet german regulations. Would it be possible to use more panels to saturate earlier/more then? Or would that fry the inverter in peak times? Maybe use a bigger model? And regarding monitoring: is it possible to not use their cloud? Or do I need the 433MHz version for that? So far I couldn‘t find answers to that, but maybe you did?
now I got panels producing ~400W and the similar WVC600: despite free airflow, shadow and 28°C ambient it overheats at 275W output power already. Crap! What do you get out of it during full sunlight? Mine averages on just 200W!
You can sell your solar power with your own installation in Germany? Here in France you need to pay for a “professional” installation to get the right to sell your produced energy. Thanks lobbies
I think that's what he eluded to around the 600W limit and needing professional install for more. Grid tie systems in most countries require pro install too like in UK and plug-in inverters are not legal at all here / fixing a plug on the end of the wire from the inverter also not legal. Power companies will make you sign a contract if you're going to get paid for it (or net metering, whichever) and they'll want to see install certs. This was the same at my friends house in NL too.
@@nitrgnlab9400 I get paid for my generation so I had to show them proof of qualified installation and testing. Of course anyone can do what he does in the video themselves too. Someone comes to read the meter every 2 years but no inspections as such no.
Nach dem VDE Link von dir ist man erst mal bedient! Typisch deutsch 1000 Auflagen damit alles schön umständlich und teuer wird. Bist du Elektriker, laut dem VDE gedönns wird das verlangt. Dabei kann das doch jeder halbwegs begabte. Hast du den 2 Wege Stromzähler? Wenn ja ist der normal schon vorhanden oder hast du einen neuen benötigt? Wurde eine spezielle Steckdose zum Einspeisen verwendet, wenn ja wie hoch ist die abgesichert mit wie viel Ampere? Diese ganze Zertifikate welche laut VDE benötigt werden, haben die Teile von AliExpress doch nicht.
a stopgap solution is to prepare a spare portable-inverter, then if power is out you turn off main-switch at distribution box then connect this portable-inverter to household plug. However there's no way to tell if the grid is back up with the main-switch switched-off, so this solution is a stopgap/emergency solution and you must manually set up these stuff each time you want to use it or remove it back again to check for grid power.
Beware of solar panels at low angles. The water pools on the corners, and if some water finds its way between the the insulation layers, the PV cells corrode. Bye bye solar panel.
Yeah, lets limit the energy people can put back into the grid during an energy crisis.... thats logical.... governments need to stop trying to protect the profits of the power generation/supply companies and allow people to be more self sufficient and actually offer more efficient energy generation.
Sure, until someone has their jerry-rigged 4kW system go haywire and fry all their neighbors inverters at the same time. Having standards and regulations for the national grid is kind of important.
@@hultaelit I didn't say that there shouldn't be a standard, I said it shouldn't be limited to 600W ! other countries can export several kW to the grid if they choose.
It depends on the grid. If the grid voltage is already high then you won't be able to put any power back into the grid. It's not just about protecting profits, there's serious practical limitations too.
Those 600W things are a legal way to attach your DIY solar to the grid. Some legislations do not specify if the 600W are per phase or not. Makes 1.8kw. Inspectionless, no permits, no fees. I get paid only 8ct kwh for feeding the net, but i save 24ct kwh on my own consumption. Germans save up to 40ct/kwh. If you run an AC this is the way to go.
Those limitations won't last long as the crisis will peak next winter. However there are possibilities to limit your output to the grid to basically 0 with specific inverters. I'd like to try that once I have some spare funds
Hey! where did you get the panels from?
your link shows flexible ones from Ali but that doesn't seem to be the ones you are using
Unfortunately the panels are long gone. Basically any link I would put there would expire fast currently. That flex panel link is just a proven source, since a friend bought these. It's more suitable for balcony installations. You can get hard framed panels for 150€/350W atm with some waiting time. Don't feed the scalpers
@@bitluni The flex panel is 12V, but the microinverter says its input should be 22-60V. Would I need two panels in series to make it work?
Having the mains on the roof is still safer than having high voltage DC (many panels in series), which easily can start fires if not wired properly or exposed to moisture and therefore producing arcs. As long as your protective earth is working (testing the breaker) everything will be alright when a fault does occur
Now in NL: 3200 watt allowed on a seperate group, or wasmachine group with a" pv divider, breaker" added.
And now hope that you don't get a Beaufort 11 storm any time soon! If I would just lay them down like that on my roof, they would not last a week.
Just fix them with some garden stones as weight that's how the solar panels are normally fixed on a flat roof.
@@Tom-ku8bu or by mounting them with sedum mounts, eco friendly too
The single panel like shown in the beginning lasted several storms in the past 3 years without moving anywhere. Last storm was Zeynep with speeds around 150km/h. Those panels are quite heavy. The wind always comes from the front of the garage since it's the luv of the hill I'm living on. There is no gap for the air to go underneath the panel this way. I guess it doesn't cost much effort to just screw it to some slat and put some extra sand sacks to hold it better in place. I'm too lazy though 😂
Due to the increase in energy prices, I do not use the lighting in the toilet ... But I have to wash the floor more often ...
Great stuff. I did something similar but you need to consider WIND. At some point you will have strong winds from the wrong direction. I used stainless steel wire to strap the panels to a fix point. Before this, wind moved all my panels but I was lucky. No damage but only due to luck.
I just finished to installed two 420 W panels on the wall of my house. I've bought all separately like you because of the high prices of kits. I had a APSystem micro inverter that seems to work only in certains security condition. For now I'm just at the step of connecting all things together and see if all is properly working!
In France you have to declare to the network manager company that you are going to install a micro inverter and be able to send in the public network the excess of electricity produced and so you have to give them a proper certificate for the micro inverter. It's why I didn't bought the one you get because no certificate was available in French... they only accept them in French!
So I hope this will work properly as I thought! Thanks for sharing your experience.
I put 2 250w panels on my shed roof a few years ago, and it has already made over 1.6MW of power in that time. Not bad for £100 of panels and a £70 inverter :).
I brought the DC down from the roof into the shed, where it goes into a DC circuit breaker, that way I can connect whatever I want to it without climbing onto the roof which was never really designed to have people standing on it.
Easy install and well explained. You could increase your harvested energy if you tilt the panels a bit more. Especially in winter.
The cheap micro inverters often have insufficient filtering resulting in many spurious harmonics and failing to comply with EMC regulations. They are by far the most problematic consumer RF noise source now a days.
True. I had to switch the inverters off while testing the $16 HF SDR thing.
And are those inverters save and comply to European safety rules (like switching off during grid maintenance or high voltage)?
@@peli71 exactly!
My trust of products made of Chinesium doesn't extend to mains voltages!
iv had one 250watt panel on my garage roof here in UK for 8years with a Replus micro inverter been great no problems, i refused a smart meter i told them the meter ant that smart as it will charge me for power, for pushing power back to them . i have also put an aluminium cross piece on penal and weighted it no storm has mover it an inch yet. as far as getting to trouble as long as you don't have an analogue meter spinning backwards then no problem ,if you are doing DIY a few panels only is the way to go ,as it grid tie say 400 or 500 watts then thats best way to go you will be using most of that output. A word on cheap Chinese invers they don't last long ,Enphase is the best you'll probably get a life time out of them, i got 6 months form cheap Chinese one , i'm on 8th year Renesola Replus micro inverter but i can't find them anymore as i have jest got another 235watt panel, Enphase are expensive ,may have to bite the bullet .
nice video, I've done the same for the last 2 years, 600 watts at 24volts and 100watts at 12volts into battery storage and then into grid tie, pay only for 1Kw or their abouts a day (40P). It's the way to go, switch my gas boiler off too so pay nothing for that either
Very cool!
Hey, but when you use the battery, doesn't the inverter just send energy to the grid? Or is there someway to deal with that??
it's cheaper to just plug in like in the video using grid-tie micro-inverter, no need for battery or charge controller.
@@leps75 if you connect grid-tie-inverter in parallel with charge-controller then the battery will not feed into the grid (method 1). Alternatively, if you connect grid-tie-inverter to the battery you can automatically connect/disconnect the grid-tie-inverter using a Relay with an on/off signal coming off from the Load terminal on the charge-controller (method 2). Alternatively, there's a larger pricier charge-controller that combine all 3 device into 1 (method 3) .
@@xponen that is true, but solar works during the day, when most people are out. It's when the sun comes down and we all get sucked into are electrical life and there is no solar...
A battery allows you to shave that peak rate.
* Most people are getting suckered with lfp fake battery info and high prices.
So yes. They could use la for 100 times less.
@bitluni to the rescue there ??
I couldn’t quite work out if you were planning to mount the unit flat under the panels and trust that the seals hold ? In the past mounting vertically and leaving a small moisture exit point at the bottom edge has worked for my outdoor projects. Sometimes a small piece of gauze helps stop bug visitors. Good luck!
yea, every night the device will be cold and suck in outside air, after many years the accumulated condensate will have no way to get out.
Nice work Bitluni.....I wonder, aren't you worried about losing the entire solar panels etc next time a big wind storm comes through?
That will be more content. 😂
Where I live the wind would help you get them down for cleaning, usually the same day.
This is a real concern, especially since bad weather is becoming more common in germany. We had quite a few "storms" recently.
sorry to say that maybe you are from Netherlands or UK but this is nothing to worry about in most part of Germany.
Nice. We're not allowed to do it ourselves in the UK. Well I mean if you wanted to do it legally then you would need an "MCS" approved installer to do it. I have two solar arrays and I wish I had space for more, so I recently put one on my shed roof and used an MPPT charger to charge two LiFePO4 batteries and then I run everything in my shed workshop from that.
It seems like we're in a similar situation on the other side of the channel. The government provides many nice things like tax breaks on solar panels (10% instead of 20) and financial aids but of course there's a problem: the whole installation has to be done by a pro which negates all of these nice advantages.
I believe you actually can do this youself without MCS approved but your not allowed to get any FIT/SEQ (paid from the energy exported or generated). Also you are limited on what size you can connect to the grid. You do need to let your DNO know however but shouldnt be an issue for small installations that are compliant with safety standards
I've seen nothing that suggests that this is not accepted in UK. The installers with MCS approvals might want you to think otherwise, of course. But then they are limited to 5kW systems whereas those that do not feed back into the national electrical grid can be any size that suits the project.
Your workshop look like it's built as a bunker!
The one foot of poured reinforced concrete roof gave it away :)
If it only was just as waterproof .. it's dripping all the time inside... but it's a rental so I don't spend a penny on fixing that
@@bitluni Flat roof and no asphalt cover to stop the water, does that :)
thanx a lot for showing inverter inside quality is better i thought.
Now i have a new project for summer. To be bit save for brown- or blackouts i will build up an island solution for solar disconnected from the grid.
If I had more funds to my avail I would test some of the new hybrid inverters as well. Solar seems the best investment atm.
With panels just sitting on the roof I would be worried about high winds picking them up and blowing them away/breaking them.
We had really hefty storms this year already and it didn't move. I put the one the wooden blocks later. These things are heavy
widowmaker cable? presumably the inverter is grid-tied so should shutdown if unplugged, but ...
You should definitely make the panels resistant to wind / storm. If you are unlucky, on strong gust is enough to blow them away.
Unfortunately setups like that are illegal here. I can however use a transfer switch and run individual circuits off solar.
You can build something like this, hidden, no legal (who cares), but posting it on youtube with full adress? Good way to gain interest of the network provider and other authorities. BTW: The rest of the wiring in the shed is also terrible :-) The trouble starts if somethings goes wrong, eg. a fire starts. The insurance may no pay. This is the danger of "non official" installations. 🙂
@@hesspet Many of the North American meters in their default configuration will charge power exported the same as if you were drawing from the grid.
@@eDoc2020 Not true. Disinfo from the energy provider. The old style elecromechanical meters will run backwards.
@@pepethefrog7193 I don't think I've seen an old-school meter in use for over a decade. I'm specifically referring to the Itron meters which have been in my area for close to twenty years. I'm getting my information from the technical manual for the meter as presented in its FCC filing.
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Dude, you’re funny as hell! Which part of Germany are you at?
Check the heat! My 300W inverters go into thermal throttling when mounted this way.
I think everyone having solar even on rental balconies is the future. These regulations will be adjusted for sure
Hi, I have the same electric car. Waiting patiently for your solar charging video :-)
Your neighbors are waiting for the next storm, then the gods brings them free solar-panels💯
Du könntest ein bisschen was gegen die HF störungen machen die die teile abgeben ... damit habe ich nämlich extreme probleme ... ein einfacher Netzfilter hat es leider nicht beseitigt, wäre bestimmt ein Video wert
luved the video and enjoyed your sense of humor
Its also a good idea to get more pannel power with only a 600w inverter to be under the limit and get more during the mornig and evening.
With these aliexpress inverters i also got issues with the powerline ethernet i guess they got bad emf
wusste garnicht das du aus der gegend von darmstadt kommst :-D
Something to note here is that the regulations don't apply if are completely off grid. But since the regulations are still kinda dumb the entire building is not allowed to have a grid connection. Just proper separation is not enough.
Ich habe den gleichen in der 1200W Version der bei 600W schon sehr heiß wird. Deiner wird nicht alt werden, die Kondensatoren werden zu heiß.
Deshalb montiere ich die Inverter IMMER in der Garage, dort ist es kühler. Zudem ist der Wechselrichter NICHT wasserdicht, auch wenn das drauf steht, wirst schon sehen.
Du kannst übrigens mehr Module anschließen, solange der Wechselrichter nicht mehr als 600W durchlässt.
Use a battery to store excess energy. I saw 2x600w plug and play Panels for just €300,- 2day 🤑
From the video and the description it looks like you know the difference between kW and kWh well. Please keep it right in the title as well.
Crazy that the solar panels are just sitting on the roof. I guess you don’t worry about strong winds from hurricanes where you live.
these things weight a ton. They only look so light because I'm so strong 😂. We have winds over 100km/h here regularly nothing happened so far. If it does someday it will be content :-D
Well crafted mounting bracket! 🤣🤣🤣 Nice Video!
Id wish i could only use 2 panels, 3 Computers 24x7 x750wh are the main consumers and that @ 35c
luckily we have 30 panels giving 80KHW at sunny summertime days.. good for 11000 KHw per year. ROI two-three years currently
awesome. My ROI estimate seems to be plausible then :-)
i wish the us had such allowances for adding small panels with smart inverters. saw a video in california how a homeowner had to pay 20k for a contractor to install a ghetto 3kwh system with no storage on shelby churches channel. maybe $1800 worth of solar but she had to pay 20k for licensed install and permitting. really destroys the pay back period. i recently installed 200wat of flexible panels on my ev since there is no permitting needed and EV electricity is one of the most expensive. very simple setup wired into the 12v system but still offsets the consumption of the highvoltage battery. surprised no one else has really done this oneline. 11-18mo payback period. couldnt get such returns investing
Can i plug two more inverters on diffrent phases and have 3 phase inverter? Will it work? Do i need to connect inverters togeather with data cable to have nice sine on 3 phase or not?
you guys are using our KAIDENG brand inverters👍👍👍
Im not sure what's the average temperature you have during the summer, but if it is pretty hot, you might want to add some extra gap between the panel and the roof to get a few more Watts.
I am curious if there are systems that come with an inverter each? e.g. so I could buy one or two panels + inverter and later upgrade with another 1/2 panels + inverter? I like the idea of having more modular setup's that can be improved over the years rather than paying for a large system all at once (and risking that they all fail at once if something goes wrong)
I understand you -> 2:06
Can you please add a command to clean display in your esp32 VGA out library. As it will be very useful for displaying moving data on screen.
Hello mate,
Excellent video!!
One question, is it possible to give the direct link to the 700w microinverter that you bought in Ali, please? Because the first link that you have in the description it’s no going directly to the microinverter!
Thanks
I appreciate your safety footwear... 😏
honestly ac wiring in water is safer than high amperage dc. also heat is the biggest factor in compromising working lifetime. keep it cool.
when you plug the 220v wall outlet, is mandatory to connect LL and NN ?
Get a small hybrid inverter from China, May be later you can add small battery bank. There are some models which has an export limit function
Nice little setup, don't forget to bolt the panels down somehow, or they could go flying in a storm!
I've just got myself another 6 panels and all the mounting gubbins to install on my house roof... Just trying to talk my brother into assisting!
BTW, I don't know about your panels, but on mine it said that they're warranty is void if they don't have at least a 10 degree slope on them (I assume for drainage).
Given your location, ideally you would want more anyway.
Hi. I live in Germany. What steps did you took to become a smart meter and what was the cost? I'm thinking to do the same... Thanks
Collect as much as possible energy (resources) yourself instead of being dependent to become a smart meter in Germany.
These are illegal in Australia as by plugging them into a power point like that you are bypassing any protections you may have in your switch box... i.e. earth leakage, et cetera. Another issue is if you have someone come to work on your property and they turn off the mains thinking the power will then be off and safe, it actually won't be off because your setup is providing power that will kill some unsuspecting person.
Bit late but.This are on grid inverter.They Need to read Power coming from the house or the will not turn on.what you Say Is what happen with off grid inverter
Hi, are the inverters still working? I'm reading/hearing /seeing very mixed experiences with these invereters.
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Great demo on how to do it but how do you keep your grid tie secure? I have looked in to this plug and play, and some "experts" mentioned that this will lead to having electricity in the grid even in case of electric shock or short circuit. Is this true and is there a way to get around this?
Don't use silicon in conjunction with rubber seals...
Neutral silicone should be fine, sanitary silicone is no no, it will make the rubber brittle.
bought one WVC600 LIFE it is connected to a 350w 60-120cell panel and the blue light keeps flashing.. I don’t know what to do. advice please.
I also never connected to any internet.. is this necessary?
Cant u just ise the AC output from the inverter and connect it to a power strip and use the ac power without using batteries or conecting to the grid?
Hi I am living in Germany as well.
may I ask if I want to have more power, can I take few sets of 800w system without any trouble?
I have many wall power plug sockets in the house😂😂😂
Can't u use the a
AC output of the micro inverter and connect it to a 4gang extension lead so I get AC power without conecting to the grid and batteries please let me know as I need to do testing outdoors
How would these compare to the enphase micro inverters? One single enphase micro inverter is in the same price range, however Enphase micro inverters are meant for 1 panel i think, these can handle 2 of them.
Sehr nice. Ich will mir auch 600W bis 1kW aufs Garagendach legen für eine 600Wp "Balkonkraftwerk". Ich bin auf dein Video bzgl. laden vom eAuto gespannt. Mein ICCB zieht min. 600W. Ich glaube nicht das ich das mit den Panels bzw. dem Inverter abdecken kann. Aber da es die selbe Phase ist (Garage), kann ich dadurch vielleicht im Sommer 75% durch die Panels abdecken und den rest aus dem Netz halt beziehen.
Hi!
I have a question so if i plug in straight to the socket what is fused by livingroom sockets...i only will get power from inverter on that fuse circuit or the whole house ?
Does this work if you already have solar edge PV system installed (i mean the one with DC strings). I wonder if I add additonal micro inverter to my grid, can it damage my main PV when there will be surplus from micro inverter?
Great video... makes me hungry again ;-)
Is it not dangerous plugging it into a socket. Presumably that socket is one which if you plugged something in, it would power it? So you are putting power in, via something that gives power out?
I read several times that those WVC micro inverters are known for not giving the full power output, although it could be panel compatibility issues.
As a continuity review: are you seeing 600w continuous output in the central hours of a sunny day? Danke
Hi, thinking ahead…… have you managed to work out how to get this micro inverter working if there is no voltage present on the main supply…… in the event of a power outage?
I also just got one of these WVC inverters with wifi, which can be controlled with the "cloud intelligence" app. Can''t find anyone having reversed the API to integrate it with homeassistant. Do you by chance plan on writing your own firmware for the inverter? I chose this model for having the option to throttle the output, as I have it connected to a battery instead of directly to solar.
how many panels would you need to recharge an EV car forever? is it feasible?
the only problem is the EV car companies can brick your car remotely at any time
a youtuber in Australia,Sydney said he need 8kw solar panel.
Is the AliExpress Solar Panel a panel that is not a waste of money?
Are you not afraid one hard wind blow makes these panels go up flying?
Not bad. Prices have gone up for this hardware and they're problems known .. where the micro invert melts.
They are at scalper prices as the 1200watt was £89. I thinks it's £289 now??
But they break fairly quickly.
(There is a website by model number for the problems)
These plug and play.... Ish systems I was going to do as my solar low budget. But they are too dangerous/risky.
The mounting not good.. if you have mastic base.then the solid packing foam (like neoprene) and then fix it down to the joist.
The law here allows on 20cm angle from a roof. Which is sad as 20 degress is the summer, but 20 off vertical in winter can make 50% difference. I guess the dictators don't want people taking or saving money.
Keep the updates going.
And I think 300w panels are the limit to the device some one has said.
what happens if the power from the network goes out? dont you need some kind of isolation switch?
Most of the microinverters need the grid power to generate, in the moment the grid get disconected they stop generating.
They don't work without the 50/60Hz from the grid. There are however hybrid inverters that you put between grid and your installation that will switch automatically
Hi. Main power meter no on off?
Great video, we need this 600W rule as well here in Bulgaria. Are You not worried of strong winds blowing your panels and possibly hurting someone?
I love it, nice work. You’re making it simple for the average person. Condolences for the ping pong ball wall 😢but at those prices it’s understandable
RIP ping pong wall.
400 euros? Wow! .. I thought I was paying too much for electricity in my country.. Last month I paid the equivalent of 50 euros for 350kwh
Panels are in parallel or series? 12 or 24 volts? Thanks
Does the micro inverter feature an "NA-Schutz"? Isn't it required to have some sort of protection either by a special plug or some sort of protection mechanism?
Diese Wechselrichter werden verdammt warm, bei mir hab ich die rausgeschmissen. wie sind die Module gegen Wind gesichert? Schöner Beitrag, danke
hi, what is the app you are using? the app i have with my inverter is rubbish ! want to see if you app will work with my unit
How can you tell how much of the 3kW a day your producing is getting consumed by you or getting sent back to the grid?
I bougth the same model, but the 3-pol AC connector only offers soldering the cable to it. Did you get the connector separately or do you have link?
Coole Sicherheitsflipflops! 🤣👋
how is the microinverter? still running? thanks
Please fix the wrong unit in the title (kW/day) ☹️
I'm just curious, if you plug the inverter AC output into the wall circuit, would it affect the incoming AC coming from the grid? Short-circuit? Or does it somehow regulates itself?
Not scared that the wind takes your panels?
Screws will bring water to the housing.
yes but an open hole will let it breathe
Very interesting project. I have a question if you have the time to give me some insights. What happens (not with the smart meter but with the older mechanical one) if you completely cut the mains power and leave the PV as the sole power source ?
nothing happens. the inverter only produces power when it gets a feedback from the mains. it's a security feature and must have in Germany. otherwise you could switch the main breakers off because you want to change a light bulb. but if the inverter wouldn't care about it it would send 230v into the system and you could get electrocuted. so this is not a blackout fallback.
@@gnashermedia Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. So this is not a backup solution, only a money saving option as long as the mains grid provides electricity. I conclude that having PV as backup it requires a hybrid inverter and batteries.
@@nikolaskallianiotis8622 Happy if I can help. I'm not a PV specialist. So take my 5 cent with a grain of salt. ;). To have a backup system using PV you need a mains integrated system. There are quite a few of there. The idea is that you have solar panels that charge a battery system and also provide power trough this battery system. To be exact the panels feed an inverter. This one charges the battery and provides the mains power support. Then you need a system that checks the mains power. If power is there you charge the battery and feed the rest into your mains and everything that is not used goes into the mains network. If mains power fails, than this system that monitors the mains tells the inverter to use the solar and battery power and it also drops the connection of your house for example from the mains. At this moment you are on a so called Island mode. You are a small island with your own power as long as the battery has power or the sun shines. If the system detects that the mains power is back it switches the mains back into your house and your back to solar supported usage. There are many systems that have this integrated. You need a system that monitors everything and manages the power handling. Those mini PV systems as in this video are only a support to save money and make your own environment friendly power. With a rating of 300 to 600W your can cover most of the standby usage of your devices for example.
Instead of a big system you can use a power station or UPS to secure a few devices like computer or fridge etc. against a power loss. In case of a blackout you can also build a micro island. A power station like a EcoFlow River or Delta has Mains and PV input and supports something between 1000 and 2000 Watt output. So if you have something that shall be protected you can plug it into the power station and the power station into the mains. In case of power loss the station takes over as long as the battery lasts. If the blackout takes longer you can use solar panels to recharge the station over the day. That's what I have to secure some essential and vital systems I need. The power station lasts in my case 12 to 20 hours and I have 2x 100Wp panels to charge the station.
@@gnashermedia Great info indeed!!! That's what I need in fact. A backup system for power outages. Now here in Europe and especially in my case, Greece we expect during the summer lots of power outages because for (stupid) reasons not to mention here, we have based our main power generation on Wind Turbines and secondly on PV therefore our coal/gas and hydro generation is now the minority. So my urgent need is to support critical loads with some PV/backup system which won't cost an arm and a leg. Thanks again for your help!
As always, cool useful project!
Some questions arise since I considered the same model: you write in the description output can be clamped to the required 600W to meet german regulations. Would it be possible to use more panels to saturate earlier/more then? Or would that fry the inverter in peak times? Maybe use a bigger model?
And regarding monitoring: is it possible to not use their cloud? Or do I need the 433MHz version for that?
So far I couldn‘t find answers to that, but maybe you did?
now I got panels producing ~400W and the similar WVC600: despite free airflow, shadow and 28°C ambient it overheats at 275W output power already. Crap! What do you get out of it during full sunlight? Mine averages on just 200W!
Bro energy costs are so high where you live....here in Florida its about 14 cents per kWh
Hi sir euro1 a day , that means your ROI
Is approximately 1 year
Is that true sir
That's amazing if true
Please clarify,
Thanks
You can sell your solar power with your own installation in Germany? Here in France you need to pay for a “professional” installation to get the right to sell your produced energy. Thanks lobbies
I think that's what he eluded to around the 600W limit and needing professional install for more. Grid tie systems in most countries require pro install too like in UK and plug-in inverters are not legal at all here / fixing a plug on the end of the wire from the inverter also not legal. Power companies will make you sign a contract if you're going to get paid for it (or net metering, whichever) and they'll want to see install certs. This was the same at my friends house in NL too.
@@silverismoneyIt's ridiculous. Just install whatever You want, who the fock cares? Do You have inspections or what?
@@nitrgnlab9400 I get paid for my generation so I had to show them proof of qualified installation and testing. Of course anyone can do what he does in the video themselves too. Someone comes to read the meter every 2 years but no inspections as such no.
It is possible to sell the power, but not worth. The
In France there are commercial systems to do this. They market on the basis of being plug and play, no installation required.
Dank concrete roof
Nach dem VDE Link von dir ist man erst mal bedient! Typisch deutsch 1000 Auflagen damit alles schön umständlich und teuer wird. Bist du Elektriker, laut dem VDE gedönns wird das verlangt. Dabei kann das doch jeder halbwegs begabte. Hast du den 2 Wege Stromzähler? Wenn ja ist der normal schon vorhanden oder hast du einen neuen benötigt? Wurde eine spezielle Steckdose zum Einspeisen verwendet, wenn ja wie hoch ist die abgesichert mit wie viel Ampere? Diese ganze Zertifikate welche laut VDE benötigt werden, haben die Teile von AliExpress doch nicht.
The problem with this is that when the grid goes down even though you are making power thru the solar panels you will not have power in your home
a stopgap solution is to prepare a spare portable-inverter, then if power is out you turn off main-switch at distribution box then connect this portable-inverter to household plug. However there's no way to tell if the grid is back up with the main-switch switched-off, so this solution is a stopgap/emergency solution and you must manually set up these stuff each time you want to use it or remove it back again to check for grid power.
Beware of solar panels at low angles. The water pools on the corners, and if some water finds its way between the the insulation layers, the PV cells corrode. Bye bye solar panel.
Yeah, lets limit the energy people can put back into the grid during an energy crisis.... thats logical.... governments need to stop trying to protect the profits of the power generation/supply companies and allow people to be more self sufficient and actually offer more efficient energy generation.
Sure, until someone has their jerry-rigged 4kW system go haywire and fry all their neighbors inverters at the same time.
Having standards and regulations for the national grid is kind of important.
@@hultaelit I didn't say that there shouldn't be a standard, I said it shouldn't be limited to 600W ! other countries can export several kW to the grid if they choose.
It depends on the grid. If the grid voltage is already high then you won't be able to put any power back into the grid. It's not just about protecting profits, there's serious practical limitations too.
Those 600W things are a legal way to attach your DIY solar to the grid. Some legislations do not specify if the 600W are per phase or not. Makes 1.8kw. Inspectionless, no permits, no fees. I get paid only 8ct kwh for feeding the net, but i save 24ct kwh on my own consumption. Germans save up to 40ct/kwh. If you run an AC this is the way to go.
Those limitations won't last long as the crisis will peak next winter. However there are possibilities to limit your output to the grid to basically 0 with specific inverters. I'd like to try that once I have some spare funds
Please correct de title and use the appropriate units :D
Cheap grid tie solar setup (600W 3kWh/day)