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As an old fan of atla (i don't dare to call myself as a hardcore fan). I can't argue why the owl spirit was in season 1. Maybe, just maybe they was just teasing us and will show it too in season 2 because the owl was part of one of the important stories in season 2. So it's impossible to remove it from the story . So I'll save this argument and the doubt until season 2 comes out. And for now, let's just enjoy the creativity of the way they present the live action
I'm a die-hard AtLA fan. Introduced it to nephews, nieces, and friends. I think of this like a do covers of famous songs. Do you want an exact replica but with a different voice? It wouldn't sound right. It would turn me off. I prefer the cover band bring their own flair to a great classic.
Hey guys, I would LOVE to see you react to Invincible in the future after you get some of these shows finished. It’s an amazing animated series, with some slight similarities to Amazon Prime’s other series “The Boys”. Intense violence with heroes and villains, and well, something I won’t spoil. It’s pretty short, only 16 episodes once the entirety of season 2 comes out. And real stakes! They aren’t scared to kill off characters.
@@almaicardi I would want them to have the soul of the song I wouldn’t like them, taking a song about being a strong woman, and making it about being a pathetic, hang along. Which is what this live action does. The cartoon had women who were angry and mad, who broke boundaries, who stood up for themselves, who made noise in the world The live action has the girls be quiet meak shy, needing to find the voice only really speaking when it comes to helping the man’s feel better.
However, Fun Fact!! Kiawentiio (Katara) and Rainbow Dickerson (Kya, Sokka & Katara's mother) have played mother and daughter before in a great film called Beans! Joel Montgrand (Hakoda, Sokka & Katara's father) also played her dad in that movie too so it's like a whole family reunion :)
Important nuance: Mike and Bryan were the original creators, but Aaron Ehasz was the head writer for the original series. They came up with the concept, but Ehasz has been credited with a lot of the great writing choices in the animated version.
exactly! i've said this before but mike & bryan truly only just created the shell of ATLA, all the other writers and directors are what really made the show come to life. bryke only wrote 14 out of 61 episodes in ATLA.
also aaron's (then) wife elizabeth welch did some incredible writing for the show too and wrote a few very iconic episodes but they were both never asked to come back for korra :/ taken from an article: "Elizabeth Welch and Aaron Ehasz were not invited back to work on the Avatar: The Last Airbender spin-off Avatar: The Legend of Korra and their absence is palpable throughout the series. Without Team Ehasz pulling their weight, Bryke had more creative control, making their not-quite-as-satisfactory writing skills more apparent." bryke were never strong writers and people need to stop worshiping them as such
See, I love how they changed Koh's "trap" here. It made sense for his type of spirit. Instead of faces showing emotions, Koh tapped directly on the prey's actual emotions through hallucinations and painful memories. That's why he said Aang was someone who can't be affected by his trap, bec he said "it isn't real" right away (like Tris in Divergent). It's also a smart move bec it's a chance to show us viewers the pain these characters were holding in, at the same time. More like hitting two birds with one stone.
Exactly. I've seen fans complaining a lot about the lack of 'showing no emotions' part of Aang's encounter with Koh. But I like this version a lot. Koh trapping them by luring them into his lair with their painful and traumatic memories works better and makes much more sense
@@hasicazulatv2078 there is absolutely nothing new or creative about this. it was late the whole thing is Lein. They dumped it out so the people who are like you know what actually you’re openly telling the world you like things dumber. you like things that you don’t have to think about as much as a kid’s cartoon. Think that thought through adults want to think less than children
Oh man, this may be the first time that I respectfully disagree almost entirely with the post reaction discussion. It is like Gyatso said "let go of the past, or [you'll] never have a future." I think too many read just the headline about these 'creative differences' during production and the narrative for this /adaptation/ was cursed before we even got a proper trailer. We were set up to speculate and be disappointed so when the show finally came out many were almost already conditioned to pick it apart. Will the animation always be the 'best' way to consume this content? Arguably, absolutely (best being subjective of course) but does that mean that this live action /adaptation/ has to be hated because it is not a 1 for 1? Like many other comments have said, we all need to put that narrative to rest because whatever the dispute was we are all not privy to and there does not appear to be any further bad will anywhere with blog posts deleted and so on. Of course, if this version of the story (in which they are pulling from various seasons of Avatar as well as from Korra AND the additional comic book materials) is not resonating with you then that is totally understandable. I have some maaaaaaaaajor gripes with the writing of the show for Team Avatar in particular and just do not feel compelled to care about their story at all...whereas with Zuko and Iroh I feel like I am counting down the seconds and milliseconds before they come back on screen. I think what makes this difference from the One Piece adaptation is tone and I think that is where the divide among viewers is coming from. With One Piece, from my understanding, is captures the tone and mood of the anime so it is easier for the original fans to digest the changes because it still feels like One Piece. With this version, the tone is so different from its animated counterpart and that takes a lot for people to adjust to and then throw in all the other additional changes that, sincerely, do fit this new tone and perspective on the story but are big departures from the story that people grew up adoring and how that version made them feel. I will say though that episode 4 started to lose me and I found myself drifting more out of it along with Oak on my own personal journey - though not because I wished I had a 1 for 1 retelling but rather the writing for Team Avatar is just...not strong (though I did love adding in the fog and Katara and Sokka getting their backstory moments to parallel how we had Aang's in the first episode and we could somewhat see how they may trauma bond a bit). The part of the episode that actually brought me back in was when Gyatso tells Aang it wasn't his fault and offers those words of validation that he had been so desperate for - until then I was waxing and waning with interest. HOWEVER....episode 6 and through to the conclusion kept me in it and left me feeling fulfilled for the most part. But woof does the show need to trust its audience more and offer less exposition.
This is my honest raw opinion. I love the animated series but I am thankful that they didn't did the story exactly as it goes on the cartoon. I mean, the story is the same, I mean the plot, but we are experimented a different way to get to the same point. I like not knowing exactly what is going to happen next or see how the writers deal to solve the script for certain important events on the show. They did an amazing show, many things make more sense to me in the live action and I am here for the next seasons.
No offence to Oak because literally everyone mentioned this and I've said this to other people but I think we all need to give this whole "OG creators left the production" topic a rest now. Not only do the original creators (Mike and Bryan, A.K.A Bryke) have writing credits on both episode 1 AND 6, their studio Avatar Studios was the one feeding the Netflix production the newer canon info they wanted added into this show. One of them attended the premiere and enjoyed himself, taking down a blog he wrote after they left the Netflix show, which shows he no longer has any negative feelings towards this production and likes it. Showrunner Albert Kim was also working on this show from Day One and got to work closely with Bryke and has said he talked with them extensively about their vision for this live action, so if anyone deserved to run this show after they left it was 100% him. They left it in the best hands possible. Not to mention, the OG creators were involved in the awful 2010 version! Granted they said (after it came out and everyone hated it) they didn't get to do what they wanted, but they still got to make some of their own decisions on that movie. For example, one of the main things everyone hated was the ridiculous change made so that firebenders could only firebend when there was a physical fire nearby which just made 0 sense and would've ruined the whole story since all you had to do was put the fires out and the fire nation was done lol. Guess what? Bryke were the ones who wrote that change in. So how are we so sure that their version of a live action actually would've been good or better than this one? Also, the episodes they did write or co-write for this version are still being nitpicked and criticized by fans! Yes, we don't know which parts they wrote and which parts the co-writer did but even episode 6 which for the most part people have absolutely LOVED, has things in it that upset fans.
Also about the "line for line" bit, I know some people would enjoy that but for me and a lot of other people; that's just not what we wanted from this adaptation. If you just want to remake the show 1-for-1, then sorry but what's the point? If i wanted to watch the original show then i'd watch the original show. The point of an adaptation is that it recreates the show in a new light, with different info taken from other pieces of media i.e the comics, korra & the novels, and just overall retells that same story but in a new way for live action. The same way Marvel, DC and even Percy Jackson are doing it. Personally, I also see it as a little disrespectful to the original animation; almost as if you're saying "well ok i loved this cartoon, but wouldn't it just be BETTER if it was real people?" like you believe animation is inferior to live action. And i know that's the issue a lot of people had when this show was announced, they didn't think it needed to be made bc the cartoon was perfectly fine and a lot of people don't believe Everything needs a live action remake.
Thank you for the comment, that is bothering me as well. The cartoon was lightning in a bottle that can't easily be replicated, no matter if the og creators are involved or not. We can see that very clearly in the 2010 movie. I do wonder where that information about one of the og creator attending the premiere comes from though, aside from comments on YT I couldn't find any information on that...
Seriously I am so tired of people saying this. The OG creators actually wanted to make MORE changes and resolve plot lines, add stuff, etc. Netflix was actually the one who wanted to remain more faithful.
If Creators leave a project and don't announce what their idea was before the project is completed then I can't trust any comments from thoseCreators about the project upon release. It is too easy to take credit for only the good and ignore the bad you may have placed. Have we learned nothing from George Lucas. Han shot first George stop changing things.
Did you notice he didn’t actually heal the forest spirit or accomplish anything really in this episode? He got his friends lost and they got unlost, but he didn’t solve any problems
Yeah that has bugged me a bit. I think planting the acorn right at the feet of the shrine was supposed to be symbolic of maybe bringing healing or something, but I definitely would've liked to have actually seen that it did something if that was the case.
@@nathanielreik6617 no, he doesn’t heal the forest at all. That spirit just goes on being angry. There’s no interaction there planting an acorn doesn’t do it cause it’s not what happened in the cartoon either like in the cartoon, they already planted acorns they had to actually talk to the spirit and explain to him and help it heal, which apparently they are not doing in the live action. They took out all the actual great lessons like being kind nature women can be bad asses all that nice stuff and just gone now women are just made to talk to men about making them feel better and any environmental damage done is just consequences of war and doesn’t need intervention or healing.
I understand your final point, it's like people love the harry potter films, growing up as huge fan of the book, every film i was like "oh they changed so much, and didn't include x y and z, and took liberties with a b and c " It often put a damper on a lot of the films for me. Now when i see adaptation i go "don't compare it tooooooo much to the original source as it will never be exactly how it was." and that lead me now to just enjoy adaptations for what they are now.
Yeah, and then, when the last Harry Potter movie came out, they scramble to throw together a story, because so much of the stuff they had cut out was super important, which is why the last two movies are nothing at all like the books. You got a few highlights, but majority wise no not at all different meetings, different plots, everything because so much that they needed to have for that last book they had cut out in all the other movies. All the buildup was gone. This created a problem for Harry Potter as well like that’s a reason some people are actually OK with this new series coming out because one of the first things that fans mention is all the shit they wish the movie had.
@@boffgirl actually, no everybody I know who didn’t read the books was Hella confused with a lot of things going on in those last movies A lot of stuff doesn’t make sense unless you read the books Like why Harry thought a deer was his dad because he never explains the whole prongs being his dad‘s nickname and his Petronas thing, and that his dad could change into a deer. To them randomly shutting dobby into the last movies because they were supposed to have him in all of the movies but one and three but they don’t bring them in until just before they killed him off and creature he’s supposed to be Harry’s house elf we don’t really see much or know anything about how Harry really inherited the house.
Some people just can't understand how others can enjoy something they didn't enjoy themselves. And vice versa. And some just can't accept opinions other than their own. The old sayin, opinions are like ass holes...
I understand not having a 1:1 live action, and for most of the changes I do like! I only have problems when the essence of a character gets changed especially in a negative way. For example, Sokka’s dad would never ever say something so horrible about his son. He can be critical and give Sokka a more instructive lesson about how dangerous it can be, but to have no faith in Sokka is against why we love Hakota’s design in the cartoon. I get that this is supposed to give an explanation why Sokka was obsessed with leading and making the calls, but if his dad really had so little faith, he wouldn’t have left Sokka in charge and because we saw the village we know in the live action there were other males that were just as old so that means his dad assigned him specifically to be in charge thus creating an inconsistency. Again, plot changes are totally fun and creates newer experiences but changing a character’s personality (especially someone who shaped Sokka’s life and whose personality is why the two of them connect through humor and trust) should have been left alone.
Spot on. I HATE what they did to Hakoda. They wanted to give Sokka the "Daddy Issues" and totally ruined the relationship with his dad. There are certain things you are not allowed to change. Shoulda made his pain about being left behind like in the OG which was so more meaningful.
About the changes- just because we're introduced to the owl here, doesn't mean we won't also meet him later. There are some changes they made here for time but also because certain things just wouldn't translate as well to live action. Look at Boomi- they seemed to try to make him look and act like his animated version and it came across as cheesy and distracting. It's very easy to pick things apart if you're expecting the show to be 1-to-1. But as a big fan of the original, I appreciated a lot of the changes made. Different doesn't have to mean bad. Lastly-Koh is so amazing here! He was somehow creepier here than in the animated series.
Live-Action Bumi made sense tho. More realistic response from a King left to deal with war for 100 years without the Avatar, who he'd known as his friend.
then you don't understand Bumi's character. Bumi is NOT A NORMAL PERSON. He is eccentric, he's different, he sees the world differently than others. That's who Bumi is supposed to be. and people like him DO exist in real life. They clearly butchered Bumi's character and turned him into an angry old man with anger issues
your argument would be valid if Bumi is supposed to be a normal king. But he's not. He is SUPPOSED to be WEIRD. He is SUPPOSED to be a wild card. He's weird, unpredictable, and nothing can bother him because he has a different way of thinking than everybody else
@@ayafei You are reading into the text provided. Bumi in Live Action is still eccentric and up for fun. The change is he was mad his friend abandoned him. Which is a fact of the original that Aang abandoned everyone. We can blame Raava or Wan or whoever controls the Avatar State before Aang gets control in Book 3. But this thinking comes from fans building up Bumi in their heads for 10+ years.
The way i see it, it's an alternative universe. The lure still sticks to the main points, exploring different ideas from different perspectives but yet still following the main structure that holds the passion we have behind it. Regardless of the changes of the story, actors/actresses and writers, could we make the same argument when we all went in blind on One Piece Live action without knowing the backstory but exploring it in a different way
the thing I didn't like about this episode and the following was that there wasn't any closure for the spirit of the forest, the bear/big black and white creature, like there was in the animated series. It's just lost in the shuffle of episode content used to make this story arc. I liked the netflix live action but I felt they were trying to shove too many side plots into single episodes and kept losing the point of those plots in the process. Also, Sokka and Katara never were in the spirit world in the animated show. My other pet peeve is how Aang can only talk to his past lives while at their specific shrine/at their statue. That's just stupid.
I don't necessarily disagree with Oak on some of his points, but I actually don't think it's as easy as making everything shot for shot from cartoon to live action. There were extended fight scenes in the animated, which they would not have the budget for in this and some scenes that would work better in the cartoon vs real people acting them out. PLUS these actors and actresses are already being heavily compared to the animated versions and imagine if they had them say ALL of the exact lines. People are being so critical of this already that they would say things like, "Oh Aang's voice actor said that line with a little more emotion than Gordon did," or "Oh Dante Basco gave a better delivery on that exact line." The amount of comparisons would be even worse. I will agree that I felt like they threw in Wan Shi Tong (the owl) as fan service just in case they didn't get a season 2 (same with the minstrels from the last episode), but I don't mind seeing Azula or Ozai early at all. Ozai needed more depth vs being a one dimensional villian (plus watching Daniel Dae Kim slay the role is a treat), and Azula I feel as though they're setting her up to be a more tragic character. In this version, she seems to have a better relationship with her friends and I think we're going to watch her become more cold, detached, and psycho as she grows more power hungry and push them away. It will be sad when she gets betrayed by them and eventually is defeated, because we watched her slowly get swallowed by her own pride and greed with no way to save her.
English is not my native language. I also wanted to explain to them exactly like you said, but didn't succeed lol. So thank you for writing that. Can't wait for season 2!🙌
And why is it automatically that he wants it shot for shot? Did he say he was shot for shot or did he just say he wanted it to actually uphold the deeper values the cartoon did follow the nice storytelling and creativeness the cartoon head not be shoving dialogue down our throats, and changing the meaning behind everything.
@@tracim3080 he was speaking about it being that way at 34:30. He said based on the 20 episodes from S1 with a runtime of 22 minutes they could have done it shot for shot, line for line. Now I'm not saying he wants exactly that, but I was responding based on whether that was a good idea when he was questioning why they didn't do that. To me, runtime means nothing when not everything can translate perfectly with budget and two different mediums. I'm not saying this show was a masterpiece and this episode was my least favorite, but I am speaking purely on the fact that there are way too many things to consider when asking for a shot for shot. Someone made a good point in another video that live action Disney remakes have tried to do that (i.e. Lion King) and it did NOT work. The movie was boring as hell and felt like a cash grab by being lazy with absolutely nothing being original. This show can never compare to the original ATLA, since it was lightning in a bottle, but I still enjoyed it regardless.
@@bananies12 yeah, he said he wanted to have it so that it was the same story not necessarily you know frame for a frame not one for one adaptation but like you’re adapting the story keep the story.
I CANNOT wait to see azulas downfall, i love how shes written in the cartoon, and im already loving her portrayal in the live action. I really hate when people say shes fat, shes not, she just has a round face.
We did learn that Kya, Katara and Sokka’s mom, sacrificed herself to protect Katara in the original series. When Katara and Zuko seek out the Fire Nation Lt. that killed her mother in order to get revenge, they find him retired, miserable and living with his mother. They ambush him on the road back from the market, and Katara threatens to eviscerate him with weaponized raindrops. She forces him to remember her but spares his life. The sequence was intense and really cool. Sokka’s ice trials were reimagined for this series, but he gets to do them successfully with the squad when Bato is rehabilitating in the animated series.
@@enchanter1520 Exactly "I'm not taking prisoners today" Except that in the cartoon (because its a cartoon) Katara didn't see it she ran to get her dad.
i was 12 when the original aired and have been a fan ever since. i've rewatched both atla and korra countless times. and i think they made a lot of little changes that were actually quite good! but the oak is mostly right. they should've kept most of it almost exact. and i think if they wanted to change some things around to make it a bit different, they needed better writing. less exposition, less repetition, less tell, more show. there's a clunkiness to it that the original writing never had-- in fact the original had every beat timed perfectly, including humour. this needed more space for those changes to work properly-- another ep or 2 could've gone a long way with that. they changed some of the fundamental aspects of the characters and storyline and made it less impactful, and it's partly because the confines of it being a kid's cartoon and because the original is just so tight and completely perfect that it's glaringly obvious. it's nickelodeon's masterpiece for a reason. we didn't even need a live-action, but they decided to do it, and should've committed as hard as possible (especially after the mess that was the shymalan movie). and it's extra frustrating because the effects are fantastic, and they've added a lot of little things in that give it a little bonus flair. the actors also did a brilliant job, even if a couple were very strongly let down by writing and direction. if this was a netflix original it would be relatively decent, but when we're very clearly going to be holding it up to the phenomenal original, it pales in comparison because of what they decided to change and how they did it. and yeah, it seems this ep is really where they start to break off significantly, and those of us who were keeping an open mind started to lose interest. overall it's not horrible, but i really hope they make changes for seasons 2 and 3 based on the feedback of criticism fans have made
We don’t know that Wan Shi Tong won’t be back though. I don’t think they intend to skip the library stuff, they just did the intro to the character earlier in the series.
They have set it up though so they don’t have to go to the library. Admiral Zhao is supposed to learn about the ocean and moon spirits at the Great Library, but in this version he learns about them at Roku’s shrine.
@@loganleroy8622they dont go to the library because of zhao lol they go because they meet professor zei so ofc they can go back. they haven't set up anything, y'all are just making up what u want to believe
Wan Shi Tong can still be at the Library. The spirit realm even in the Animated was never temporal space meaning it takes time to walk from one place to another. Even in Korra the spirit realm can be large or small depending on the focus of that situation. The original was never clear about the rules of spirits. Korra didn't clarify anything about the spirits.
@@loganleroy8622The main thing is not the library or the owl. But when Appa was kidnapped and Toph couldn't do anything because Aang Crue's safety was also in her hands and when Sokka knew the exact time Sozin's comet would appear again. And Admiral Zhao's name can still be mentioned in season 2 or given in flashbacks like in the animation as someone who has a curiosity about the spirit world. So the possibility of a library story in the desert still exists. Let's save this argument later until season 2 comes out
@JrE-il7cfthere was no point to miss lmfao just a bunch of yap. there was absolutely nothing set up to stop them from going to the library. they don't know about the comet, they don't know about the darkest day in fire nation history, they haven't met professor zei. literally all of those things require them to go to the library. just bc we see wan shi tong beforehand in this season, doesn't mean his library is suddenly void. we don't know if zhao still went there or not bc just like the og cartoon, its smth we learn in SEASON 2
The oak is understanding the issue people are having that the morals and values the original was displaying for us to think about is gone. It’s lacking the substance that made the cartoon worth watching.
Okay, the reason that the original creators left was for many reasons. One of which was creative differences, but a bigger one is that they wanted to do other things. Creative types aren't keen to remake the things they already made, they want to make new things. Also, the kids in Jurassic park weren't sets of twins, where did you get that from?
I watched the original with my wife when it came out - we just sort of stumbled on it, I don't recall how since Nickelodeon was not something we watched. We loved it from the start. I have watched the series multiple times and I have watched quite a few reaction videos like you guys, so you get kind of a high-lights version. To me, if they had done the live action scene for scene, line for line - what would have been the point? Now I am not happy with every choice they have made, but aside of the fact that being live action makes some changes necessary - like the fact that the whole original series takes place in less than a year in world time, but when you have actors who are between 12 and 20 when they start and it will take at least 3 years and maybe more to produce it all so by the end, your 12 year old is 15 or 16... it doesn't work unless you allow the in world time to also take several years. There are other things that work in animation which don't work so well in live, unless you are having live actors playing a cartoon - which makes the whole feel more cartoon than the actual animated series did. So no matter what, if you are making the show feel "real", there needs to be some changes. But beyond that, given how amazing the animated was, if your goal is to just duplicate it then there is no real point. But if the idea is to take the original story concept and re-imagine it - that has some value. The question is, how much? I feel that for the most part they are staying close to the original while being a re-imagined version. Just as there are many versions of Robin Hood all based off of the original story - some stay fairly close, some are almost unrelated because they changed so much. In my experience, many of the ones which stay close to the original, though they are very different from each other, are in fact very good and hold true to the story concept. I feel that is what is happening here. As one of the people involved in this Netflix series said, and I have repeated various places, in musical terms, this is not the song done by a cover band, this is a new arrangement of the song being done is a different style. I don't know if you are familiar with Postmodern Jukebox, but they take modern songs and do them in older styles to create amazing renditions of how a song might have been if it was written in another time. That is, to me, what this is like. Oh, and while I was writing this, Oak said something about the original creators leaving over creative differences. I think you have misunderstood what happened, because based on what has been said about it, the original writers wanted to totally re-write the story because they have indicated that doing the same story again is boring - Netflix didn't want as much change from the original. My understanding is they wanted to take the core concept they had before they started writing and use that to start over from scratch - which would leave you with the main characters and the situation as laid out at the start and nothing else.
Oak, you can't just make the animated series one to one into live action. If they did that, the show would be awful and it would ONLY yield disappointment. The animated show will always be there, this show doesn't replace it. Try to watch the show for what it is and don't expect everything to be a one-for-one copy of the animated show. That wouldn't work. When people mention "the original creators left", that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I mean, the original creators were involved with the live action movie but that wasn't great. Also, the two original creators are animators... Being able to tell a fantastic story through animation doesn't mean you are able to tell a fantastic story in live action. A lot of (not all) the fanbase of Avatar are unfortunately EXTREMELY closed minded when it comes to something that's even slightly different.. Even The Legend of Korra for example Lastly, an Owl showing up in one place of the spirit world doesn't mean it's impossible for it to show up in another place of the spirit world...... I mean, it's the damn spirit world
I understand your point and I agree with you to some point, I liked some changes and those were smart and perfectly put into the story. Like The Answer said, they are trying to get in the most important things and they feel cohesive in the most part but as a fan, we, and the Oak has the right to his own opinion and the good thing is that he is being respectful about it. I remember watching the maze runner movie and hating it, and I repeat, HATED IT because it was different from the books BUT after rewatching it several times I realized the movies were amazing in their own way, seperated from the books. Some of this chapters are really good, like you said, as a new tv show, not everything will be the same, but again, he has the right to not agree with it if he wants.
Yet they had no issues with changes from One Peice because they never seen the original.. Oak just needs to learn how to experience things with the perspective of "what if the animation didn't exist, let me just judge this live action series as if it didn't." But no it seems impossible for Oak because does it everytime without fail on every single remake or adaptation.
@@zatzu9618 I don't think is the bad writing (though I'll have to see it again to analyze that) I think is the bad delivery of those lines in some characters, that's what bothered me the most
@@alexianigollarza3583 I would agree with that. Unfortunately young kids are often not great actors, or at least not great at delivering emotional dialogue.
12:54 There’s a theory that he wasn’t actually “watching a game of Pai Sho”.. he was actually meeting up with members of the white lotus Kinda makes sense
Hey guys! For all of you, but particularly Oak, by now you probably have finished the season, so I want to recommend a video by someone who specializes in adapting scripts from existing stories, is a major major fan of the original material and even uses it on her classes. From the things you guys were questioning I think it would be a very useful video, for this and all other adaptations you guys might see here (including rings of power!) The main video yall should watch is called "S1 Discussion | Avatar the Last Airbender Netflix" by the channel The Sword and the Pen Reflections
I understand the frustration with the changes, but wanting it to 1:1 is sad and BORINGGG. cause, if that’s what they do, if its a 1:1 adaption then it would be so fucking boring because I would rather the watch the original animation? I think they are brining some characters sooner, as introduction but still having their arcs ready for the future seasons. Owl was a spirit, understandable that he will be in the spirit world, and he would still be in the library still (I assume cause that it essential). Koh was in book 1. The original creators wanted to change some stuff, and Netflix wanted to stay on track. They also left because of nickelodeon giving them a studio. They were in the premier of this show. They also directed episode 1. Let’s not forget, the original creators are in part of that movie that we are not going to talk about. Enjoy the show for what it is, I understand the nitpicking cause I do to, but we can’t have things the way it is.
I give this adaption a 9/10. It's incredible. The bending is incredible, the characters are incredible especially Iroh and Zuko. The arcs are blended together that would make sense. Episode 5-8 are incredible action, feels, story. Cinematic masterpieces 🤌🏽🔥
Personally, I'd have loved it if they mostly told the stories between the ones we saw - so you skip over an episode in the original and show instead what happened between that and the next episode. So for example, do an episode of what happened between the end of Jet and the beginning of The Great Divide, and have that instead of The Great Divide. So basically, figure out what parts are vital to the story and include those but fill in the rest with stuff that logically might have happened in between.
@@cjbossin97 that's too high for me LOL but i enjoyed it cause of it still has the spirit of the animation in it. i would give this adaption a solid 6.5. everything else i agree on, but the choreo for the fight scenes felt really short for me, and i wish for it to somehow be longer w great choreography as well. episode 6 is my fave!
@@TheFireMonkey ME TOO! i somehow like the additions in this adaptation, rather than the changes. i think book 2 is much more linear in its episodes which i think is much easier to adapt, when in comparison to book 1 where it feels cartoony that it goes everywhere. so i'm kinda confident they can really adapt book 2 better than this one.
I liked this episode more after watching the next one since it doesn’t have a clean ending and I couldn’t figure out how many episodes they were mixing. I really enjoy this adaptation. I’m not sure if you guys have seen Ever After with Drew Barrymore, but when I watch it I feel like “this is what really happened, and the cartoon is a cute version for kids” in a similar way I feel like this live action and the original cartoon are two separate tellings of the same story and maybe the cartoon is the “real” one but the LA is telling the same story with understandable misinformation because storytelling by word of mouth is unreliable (which is why the play at the end of the original was so hilariously correct and wrong simultaneously).
This is the episode I kind of took a break after, but I did thoroughly enjoy the rest plus a full rewatch. Fully agree about everything you guys said in the wrap up though
34:48 they could, but what would the point of that product be? for people like me who have watched the series and read the comics time and time again, all of this serves as additional content for me, and I would not have enjoyed the series half as much if it was just the same show except in real life
I was thinking the same thing. Why even bother making a live action? Personally I like that they have taken stuff from later episodes and put it in the first season.
OG A:TLA fan here... i used to sleep with it on continuous play.... it was SO WELL DONE, there was no way a live action could take it 1:1 bc there is so much freedom with animation that just isn't possible with live action... but i say BRAVO bc to someone watching this w/out the cartoon in their head, this is really good work... i was disappointed in Bumi, but that's bc the cartoon Bumi has my heart and a human actor can't do what the cartoon did... if i didn't already have Bumi in my mind, i don't know how i would have reacted to this one... overall, i am satisfied, glad they did it, glad it was greenlit for seasons 2 and 3 .... flameo, hotmen!
About the changes - I do agree with the Oak somewhat. On one hand, I don’t need a line for line shot for shot remake, because then the 20 episodes of content would feel really choppy squished into the 8 episodes. BUT I wish the adaptation was more faithful, at least in terms of just keeping it restricted to things that occurred in season 1 of the cartoon, not pulling so much from season 2/3 and the comics and Korra. I don’t need Wan Shi Tong (the owl) introduced here. And I didn’t need Katara and Sokka to be in the fog of lost souls (from Korra!) which seemed to also pull from the Foggy Swamp episode of season 2. There are more things that got changed in the finale that I didn’t like either but I don’t go into here because of spoilers. I hope when they do the adaptation for season 2, it is MUCH more faithful to the cartoon. I think it is the easiest season to adapt as a linear adventure.
while i dont mind they changing up the order of events or revealing characters earlier i personally don't like most of the character portrayals and they often write themselves into a corner with unnecessary changes and then come up with a very cheesy unrealistic resolution which are vastly inferior to the original (Bumi episode and these spirit world episodes as examples)
I think something has to be said for the fact that not until recently they were not cleared for more then 1 season. It was expected they would get more then 1 season sure, but it wasn't confirmed till recently when they did the announcement that a season 2 and season 3 has been green lit. Looking at it this way, I can see how maybe moving stuff around to get the big cameos and such in was a decision made with the knowledge they may not be able to do them in another season. I wont lie at the start I hoped for it to be closer to the OG series. But apart from Bumi I can see why they changed and combined stuff. For the Owl, like Azula I just hope they are introducing the characters early, but we shall see more of them next season. So hopefully we do actually go to the Library and meet back up with the owl. Also the original creator who wrote he was out for creative difference change his stance one the show was out and rescinded what he said.
I'm sorry, but if this was a 1:1 remake of the Live action, I wouldn't even want to watch. Who in the heck wants to watch the same thing again... just in live action form? I would rather watch the animated cartoon again, if anything. Also, do you know how many set pieces and locations they would have to craft and create to be able to repeat an animated show?? That would not be feasible, possible, or even doable with the budget they had. That's why Omashu became the setting for 3-4 other stories because it was a big set piece, and they couldn't justify crafting that just for 30 minutes of a 45 minute episode. You're asking for too much and not taking anything into real consideration.
Yeah exactly like the just watch the original the whole point of live actions are to have the essence of the story but having a whole different plot which makes the viewer interested in more like I honestly like this version but the original is the best and shouldn’t be copied just with real people but yeah there both great in their own way
I think the reason Netflix can't show live action line by line exactly like in animation is because of cost. This is a classic excuse but that's the reality. You might notice that each episode the CGI starts to get better, as they want to spent a lot of money on the final battle. Common knowledge in Netflix projects, they put funding limits on each project. So, the director, writer and production team tried with their creativity, with limited funds to still bring every important plot in the animation into the live action. So that's why in previous episodes, including this episode, the style of their shooting is like killing two birds with one stone. So for the best. I can compromise on that.
I don't realize how this common sense statement wouldn't even occur to Oak as a possibility, I'm sitting there like, "So you think Netflix has that kind of money to do a shot for shot? Keep dreaming".
Oak rings of power don’t have the rights to all of Tolkiens materials so they can’t do everything, Mason Quinn they did condense the lord of the rings movies to and it is very different to the books so
I was surprised by Wan Shi Tong too, but if you remember in the cartoon, they often see visions of things to come in the series when in the spirit world. So, same deal here. The live action being a shot by shot remake of the cartoon would be terrible. There are things that work in cartoons that don't work in the live action. And guess what? The cartoon is still there. This show doesn't take away from it or make it disappear. Just watch the show for what it is.
Having seen the OG show just once, it far from a bad thing, It keeps the mind more open to this adaptation of the show. I have seen to many people that are so die hard for the OG show, they want this to be a play by play of that. And bash every detail that is not exactly done the way it was in the animated series. I remember the animated series very well, and also know that in this adaptation they mix up a few things. Or pur some things together from different times in the animated series. But what people seem to forget, this was to be one season at first, so they were not sure they had enough time to go into detail. I also see it in a way that they had to make this show also for people that never saw the animated series at all. Keeping it open enough that those people will understand the story and what is going on. Besides that they do hit certain points, plotlines and little nodds to the animated series which fans will get. Trying to please those fans while not making it difficult to understand for people that not know the details. Gives also a plus that for newer people watching this, it might lead more people to ATLA and Koraa, making more fans of the universe. i will agree this is not completely perfect but still no where near as bad as some people make it out to be.
I usually appreciate Oak's insight in a lot of media but this one I have to disagree. There's no point in doing a shot for shot live-action of the cartoon. First, there are things that don't translate well into live-action. Second, it's a comple waste of money (20 episodes means different settings almost every episode = expensive as hell). And third, it's way more interesting to see a retelling of the cartoon. Seeing the Agni Kai between Zuko and Ozai, the Air nomad genocide, Iroh and Ozai speaking to each other, etc... This show has problems, which I personally think can and would probably be fixed for season 2 and 3 if the writers listen to the feedback. But bashings things because they're not exactly like the original cartoon is such a wrong way to look at this media. Imagine Aang in the live-action searching for frogs to cure Katara and Sokka. Trapping Katara and Sokka in the spirit world makes more sense in a live-action. Even if the retelling of the story is bad and they butcher things which I don't think they did (missed a point on a lot of stuff though), the original is still here to be appreciated by all of us.
There’s also a difference I believe in leaving things out and compressing it than switching the order of situations with no real reasoning. Because we talk about the side quests as being nothing but sometimes they do learn valuable information and certain things are catalysts for other so you’ve taken away that flow of the plot.
I am a hard-core animated series fan and I found the live action series...fine. I was a little disturbed by some of the changes, fascinated by others and actually really loved a few. My feelings would be a lot less conflicted if I'd never seen the animated series...it would just be a really good show, full stop.
The thing I’ve noticed with this first season is it feels like they are leading to a bigger picture that we prob won’t see till season 2 or 3. You also have to remember; og avatar cartoon set the bar so high, it probably will never be touched. Main thing: they did super way better than the other live action we shall not name.
I personally wouldn’t mind if this series is as thought of as an introduction, and set-up for the world of Avatar. So in the overall season 1 story arc, I feel as if the characters “evolved” to ones that were, in a way, “closer” to the animated series in at the end. I’m looking forward to season 2 and 3. 😍
There are 2 ways this could go, they show the owl to reaffirm we will be getting the library, or the worst option, they showed it now because we won't be getting that arch.
I actually like the change of Sokka and Katara being trapped in Spirit World and that's why Aang has to save them,not cause they're sick.Meeting Spirit of Knowledge now was interesting,I hope we see him again in second season in the Library.Koh was really creppy :O
As to just making a one to one remake: EP 1: Sokka bonks Aang with the butt of the spear. That would look ridiculous and slap stick Three Stooges in live action. Secret tunnels: Little baby face Gordon kissing Kiawentiio would be... Yikes. Bumi being bitter makes sense after a hundred years at war, rather than "Messing with people is fun" as his reasoning for the tests. I could go on.
YALLL I DONT AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS TO THE SHOW! As a big fan of the show, I LOVE THE CHANGES! If the did the live action word per word, scene by scene, then why do I still have to watch it. I would’ve been booooooooringgggg if they just purely copy the animated series. I think the changes that they made make sense.
I agree that scene for scene is unrealistic, but some changes didnt make sense. Such as the lack of humor for feels. Like 60% about the feelings, 30% about action and the other 10% some weak comedy.
Bad writing and bad decision making. There is a difference between Mom and pop pizza vs digiorno. Everybody loves pizza but ppl with actual taste buds know difference. Ppl that understand the quality story telling in the original should have an issue with the obvious textbook mistakes in the live adaption. In the same way m night last air bender was objectively bad not just cuz it was not accurate to source material but bc it had bad writing, casting , acting bad decisions were made. This live action has bad writing, bad dialogue, bad decision making, bad casting ie katara, Azula and all female characters minus Suki.
For Azula and Ozai, if you look at it in the show, they don't actually have much screen time at all. I think having snippets of them this early is just to tease us for more screen time in the later seasons. Is it necessary to see them so soon? No. But it isn't such a bad thing to have a little introduction of them before we see them in full swing next season. My guess with not being able to follow the cartoon episode by episode, is that if you look through the episodes of the cartoon (especially later in the season) each 'side quest' / episode doesn't happen one after the other. There may be a period of time/days between them where they're just travelling (eg. one episode they're in a water ship, the next at a fire nation festival then at the northern air temple). All the side quests work in the cartoon because they're episodic--and have time for filler scenes/episodes. Combining the episodes from the cartoon together line by line to make a longer episode for the live action wont really work because then it'll feel disjointed and rushed (and would be expensive). Unfortunately 8 episodes also doesn't give us the luxury of all those little moments from the cartoon that helps us learn more about their characters, so the showrunners really had to pick and choose which moments/events to keep--and probably why they decided to bring in people/characters earlier (ie. Jet and the freedom fighters). I don't agree with the some of the choices in the live action, but I do understand them and appreciate some of them. I would have preferred that they kept as close to the original sequence of events as possible and I'm not completely sold on some of their creative liberties, but I'm trying to enjoy the show for what it is-- an adaptation not a remake. The LOTR and HP movies took creative liberties from their source material as well. The key to enjoying any adaptation is to watch it without too much of a scrutinising eye and enjoy it as its own thing, because it'll never be a perfect copy of the original source. As long as the characters are relatively like their original (still waiting for a bit more fierceness from Katara, and Azula more manipulative and confident--which will probably happen in the later seasons) and the story is on track, then I can still enjoy it. In saying that, I'm hoping the showrunners hear the opinions of this season, make good choices in what they choose to adapt later on and make sure that season 2 and 3 not stray too far from familiar cartoon everyone knows. At the moment though, this live action is still fun to watch.
I can't give a real answer until I see the entire series or, at least, a lot more episodes, but I am currently okay with characters being introduced early because I don't think that means that those future plot points won't happen in later episodes.
Yes Guys lol The library is in season two and was super powerful .. however the owl is the spirt of knowledge and can exist in the real world and the spirt world..so he’s still in the library waiting for season two 😂
Just realized…might be wrong…but we do see both azula and her dad in season 1 when uncle Iroh is retelling how Zuko got his scar. Now, you don’t see Ozai’s face, but you hear him talk and you do see azula smiling at Zuko’s pain.
@@rickjohnson5752 we first see Azula during the flashback to the Agni Kai during "The Storm" but we first learn that Zuko has a sister when he mentions it during "The Siege of the North" while Aang is in the Spirit World. Then the last shot of the season is Ozai telling Azula to capture Zuko.
Normally I believe you guys have really good takes and that's why I love watching your reactions, but Oak, you couldn't be more off in what you think you want from this show. Why would you want just a complete remake of the cartoon, when that already exists and is amazing? This needs to be viewed as something that enhances the original work, not to try and be a replacement. It almost feels like an insult to the original work to redo everything one by one. If House of the Dragon was 100% exactly straight from the books, the show would have ended in the first 20 minutes. Just wait until next episode, I think you will start to appreciate the things this show is adding after seeing that. To me, I can reason that the owl still IS at the library, in person, but he's just able to come see Aang in the spirit world, just how Aang is able to move around there even though his body is off meditating still. Yes, it would be nice if this detail was thought about and a line like "Now I must leave to protect my library back in the real world, Aang." to explain 'oh ya, he IS at the library, he's just currently entering the spirit world from there to talk to us here'. And it would have been cool if that's when he could have explained how Aang needs to not change his face when facing Koh. But whatever, again, the cartoon IS still there if I wanna enjoy the exact storylines I like. I think they are still doing a good enough job with this show that I can enjoy it, and it sucks to see you allow it to be ruined by you, and now for The Answer too, because you put up mental blocks about what you want this show to be. Try to appreciate it for what it is. There are flaws, yes, but it still was very enjoyable for me and did add some amazing additions to some characters that enhance the entire IP for me. Just give it a chance and stop being so in your head lol.
I will never understand why people want or expect exact copies, 1 for 1. That's stupid you have the original for that if that is what you want go back and watch the OG. l expect an adaption to tell the story in a different way. Live action I expect to be darker and more serious and in that case it can't be 1 to 1 because how do you show the genocide of the air nomads and Aang being a goof ball and penguin surfing in the same episode. The only thing I feel this show forgets is that Aang and friends are still kids so they need to be able to fold in some fun. But it would be out of place to have the pure level of obnoxious silly we get from a Y7 cartoon in a older audiences darker live action. So they over compensated a bit so Aang seems a little flat but over all good adaptation and I would have been disappointed with a copy. I hate remakes that try to be a copy it lacks creativity.
Episode 6 redeems the series, in my opinion. Be patient. I do think that cutting down the season to 8 episodes did hurt some of the depth, but I think most of the changes made sense given what they needed to do within the time constraints. However, it’s still important for you guys to be honest with your reactions, so thank you for being candid. Hopefully the writers will include changes for the next season based off of the critiques.
This is where I officially called it quits. He didn’t even heal the freaking Forest. All of the original meaning from the episode is gone they threw in all this random crap that’s just gimmicky. Like you don’t need to mix, winter solstice, the swamp and blue spirit episodes altogether They have no business mixing in season two content when they can’t even get through the season one because it’s not being introduced in the way that actually makes sense that actually goes with what those things were originally symbols of storytelling wise.
Tbh I haven’t minded most changes. Like, seeing Wan Shi Tong, a spirit, in the spirit world makes sense to me, and he could still return for season 2. A cartoon version & a live action version are such similar forms of media that if both versions were identical, it seems pointless to have both. And yes, then many people say they should have left it alone, but we’re here now & I personally like how they’ve changed it up. It’s not a copy, it’s an adaptation. The cartoon had the time and ability to make it larger than life in every way. The live action version is more realistic in terms of letting us feel how much a 100 year long war affects everyone - Katara basically having ptsd affecting her bending, Bumi becoming very jaded, seeing Ozai manipulate his children, etc.
I just wanted to point out that aside from limited budget, time constraints, especially, regarding the child actors were a major factor why they couldn't make this into a full 20 episodes book season. Unlike LOTR trilogy, you can cover a lot more because the actors are adults and not going to look that much different in couple of years but that is not the same case with the child actors. You can't compare it with Harry Potter either because both the book and movie characters grew older together, whereas, in ATLA, Aang is 12 going on 13 throughout the whole series. The child actors can only work certain amount of hours unlike adults and at the same time, they grow up drastically during their teenage years, as you've also witnessed with HP series. Unless you can freeze the child actor, like Aang was or find another doppelganger, I think what you're asking is not realistic. Overall, I do understand that your want comes from your love of the OG ATLA and I do enjoy your reactions.
I kinda understood why they tried putting some characters into the first season, when Netflix released a video on Seasons 2 and 3 being announced just recently. This is kinda like what happened with Korra, the creators didn't know for sure if the show will continue or not.
@@Dryltd And they STILL DO! even knowing all the reasoning behind it all. People have been so kind to the LA and I respect that, but it just seems like people are lowering standards just to not be mean
@@jduchiha4656 No. Avatar fans are elevating standards to ridiculous unreasonable levels. I have heard contradictory complaints about all types of things in the show. To the point that I hesitate to mention legitimate critiques because they will continue to fuel their head cannon about the show. I was on the disapproval side of the Korra Fandom. So I have seen the gymnastics. The problem is Korra is a sequel this is just another telling of the same story. Animation is the superior medium for fantastical stories. Once people decide to make a LA it will never be the same nor should it be. Even the Ember Island players didn't tell the story the same.
They did Soka really dirty in this episode. In the original, he had never been ice dodging until the episode where they met Bato. In this version, they said Bato had to jump in to save him, and he only passed he only passed due to nepotism. The other warriors in his village mock him, and even his dad says that some people shouldn't be entrusted with the lives of others. This really makes the story much weaker because it doesn't make sense that Soka's dad and the other warriors would leave to fight the Fire Nation and leave Soka in charge after this.
I think you're gonna enjoy the next episode 😊 But yeah, as you mentioned, I did not enjoy the Harry Potter movies at all bc they changed SO MUCH and left so much stuff out or gave it to other characters. But you guys loved them I hope you can look past the differences and let them not ruin this experience for you. Look at the positives: The CGI, the incredible fight scenes and set designs. Hang in there, guys!
Sorry, but the idea of a 1:1 transition just doesn't make sense. Why would any storyteller try to copy a story 1:1 if nothing is changed? Anyone who wants to watch the original story can watch the original story. What's the point of making the adaptation in the first place? It's also pointless to compare the runtime of live action series with that of a cartoon. Cartoon allows for a much faster storytelling that would never work out the same way in live action. Real humans don't move that fast nor do they talk as fast unless you want them to look absolutely ridiculous. And keep in mind, that the original creators were also executive producers on that terrible movie. Not everything they touch turns to gold. Rumour has it that they wanted to change even more, and that Netflix wanted to keep it close to the original. Them leaving doesn't mean the project itself turned out worse for it.
Exactly. If this show was a one to one recreation then there wouldn't be any real draw to watch it other than that it's live action and not animated. And when you just take everything one to one then there's little room for your own artistic skills. If you aren't the original creators then a one to one recreation is basically plagiarism and takes much less skill from a writing standpoint where as this does allow writers to use their own creativity.
Either do the same thing or make it better. The writing, dialogue and changes are terrible. The hard part should’ve been the effects not the storytelling. I’d love to see a 1:1 in a different visual medium. It would be cool to see. Bad decision after bad decision.
It's always a mixed bag with adaptations. I remember going through questions about changes when watching LOTR. Slowly, some of the changes started to grow on me. Some.
34:28 That is something I also wonder, with a lot of adaptions of other media. Why not get a 1:1 adaption even once? People will say, that "there is no point in watching the live action if it's identical", but apparently that's what a lot of people want who have a problem with the live action. So why not try that once? It would be really interesting to see the critics of something like that.
The problem of doing a one to one episode is that the first season structure makes it impracticable. A bigger episode is still one episode, they can't simply condense multiple places and completely different plots into one episode, cause the pace would feel weard. The last two seasons have much more continued storylines, but season one of the cartoon has this "enemy of the week " vibe. That being said, I understand not doing a one to one adaptation, but some changes do feel unnecessary.
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Personally, i dont see the point of doing a shot for shot remake. I feel like it would make people even more nit-picky; just the nature of a live action. I think people would rather just watch the original if it was a shot for shot remake... That being said, they definitely had enough time to fit more content in
People also like to bring up the fact that the creators left the project. Coolio hated and was offended by Amish Paradise. Doesn't mean Weird Al didn't create something enjoyable.
I’m with Oak. Episode 4 & 5 were the worst of the bunch IMO. A lot of the changes that they made in this series didn’t really seem to have a point. Some of my favorite parts of this series were scenes that were not in the original cartoon, but the mixing of storylines, timelines and characters to the extent that they did just made it super unenjoyable for me.
Whether taking the liberties they did is good or not for the adaptation, what I will say is that copying the first season line for line never would have worked. They're taking 20 episodes and putting them into 8 longer ones. You can't 1-for-1 that without having some extremely weird cuts between where the original episodes ended and began and having themes for each episode be all over the place. The adaptation could've been closer to the source material, but it would've been abysmal if they tried to rehash the story line for line, scene for scene.
I wonder what actually happened on why the creators left. They said its because of creative differences but if you look at whats going on with avatar studios they are constantly canceling things, moving things around and delaying things so its like what actually happened
Love the reactions, and I appreciate the honesty. At the same time I'm afraid I just don't agree with Oak's perspective here (for once). In my opinion the hardest part of these adaptations is that the entire fanbase is so completely split on what they actually want, which means there will likely never be a way to please a majority of the fans. There will always be people that take offense to any additional content created, simply because they glorify the original so much. There are people that wanted a 1 to 1 exact translation, which imo would have been pointless. We've seen how those tend to be received by fans, which is badly (ex: The Lion King). If you want to watch the original, just watch the original. When people are so hostile toward current attempts to make new content, which was made to give fans *more* of a beloved universe, it ends up shooting down future attempts and creative opportunities. Then when people whine about 'I wish we had more time in this world' it rings hollow, because nothing new will ever be good enough for them anyway. This was clearly created by people doing their best to respect what came before. There are improvements that can be made, because this adaptation obviously wasn't perfect. At the same time, let's not pretend season one of the original didn't have its own flaws. I look forward to see what upcoming seasons bring to the table, and hopefully they can shore up at least some of the weaknesses of the live action. 💙
I'm a huge Avatar fan since my childhood. My take on this season was that I enjoyed the stuff they added but didn't like them blatantly changing stuff. Showing stuff that was only referenced in the original was great but some of the things they changed borderline ruined the show for me. Feel like most of the fans feel this way so hopefully they learn from this in the next 2 seasons
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Very interesting episode here. What was your reaction? What did we miss?
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As an old fan of atla (i don't dare to call myself as a hardcore fan). I can't argue why the owl spirit was in season 1. Maybe, just maybe they was just teasing us and will show it too in season 2 because the owl was part of one of the important stories in season 2. So it's impossible to remove it from the story . So I'll save this argument and the doubt until season 2 comes out.
And for now, let's just enjoy the creativity of the way they present the live action
Did you catch this was The swamp episode mixed with all the sprite world episodes?
I'm a die-hard AtLA fan. Introduced it to nephews, nieces, and friends. I think of this like a do covers of famous songs. Do you want an exact replica but with a different voice? It wouldn't sound right. It would turn me off. I prefer the cover band bring their own flair to a great classic.
Hey guys, I would LOVE to see you react to Invincible in the future after you get some of these shows finished. It’s an amazing animated series, with some slight similarities to Amazon Prime’s other series “The Boys”. Intense violence with heroes and villains, and well, something I won’t spoil. It’s pretty short, only 16 episodes once the entirety of season 2 comes out. And real stakes! They aren’t scared to kill off characters.
@@almaicardi I would want them to have the soul of the song I wouldn’t like them, taking a song about being a strong woman, and making it about being a pathetic, hang along.
Which is what this live action does.
The cartoon had women who were angry and mad, who broke boundaries, who stood up for themselves, who made noise in the world
The live action has the girls be quiet meak shy, needing to find the voice only really speaking when it comes to helping the man’s feel better.
However, Fun Fact!! Kiawentiio (Katara) and Rainbow Dickerson (Kya, Sokka & Katara's mother) have played mother and daughter before in a great film called Beans! Joel Montgrand (Hakoda, Sokka & Katara's father) also played her dad in that movie too so it's like a whole family reunion :)
That is a great fun fact!
Important nuance: Mike and Bryan were the original creators, but Aaron Ehasz was the head writer for the original series. They came up with the concept, but Ehasz has been credited with a lot of the great writing choices in the animated version.
So true. Exhibit A: Toph. We only have her thanks to Aaron Ehasz.
exactly! i've said this before but mike & bryan truly only just created the shell of ATLA, all the other writers and directors are what really made the show come to life. bryke only wrote 14 out of 61 episodes in ATLA.
also aaron's (then) wife elizabeth welch did some incredible writing for the show too and wrote a few very iconic episodes but they were both never asked to come back for korra :/
taken from an article: "Elizabeth Welch and Aaron Ehasz were not invited back to work on the Avatar: The Last Airbender spin-off Avatar: The Legend of Korra and their absence is palpable throughout the series. Without Team Ehasz pulling their weight, Bryke had more creative control, making their not-quite-as-satisfactory writing skills more apparent."
bryke were never strong writers and people need to stop worshiping them as such
@@silverxbanshee this is so overlooked it's insane
@@silverxbansheeThank you!
See, I love how they changed Koh's "trap" here. It made sense for his type of spirit. Instead of faces showing emotions, Koh tapped directly on the prey's actual emotions through hallucinations and painful memories.
That's why he said Aang was someone who can't be affected by his trap, bec he said "it isn't real" right away (like Tris in Divergent).
It's also a smart move bec it's a chance to show us viewers the pain these characters were holding in, at the same time. More like hitting two birds with one stone.
Exactly. I've seen fans complaining a lot about the lack of 'showing no emotions' part of Aang's encounter with Koh. But I like this version a lot. Koh trapping them by luring them into his lair with their painful and traumatic memories works better and makes much more sense
That is incredibly lame
Stealing faces that show emotions was a lot creepier than that shit this is such a basic concept.
I do love a lot of the changes, they make more sense.
@tracim3080 well good thing that its their opinion and not yours. Move along.
@@hasicazulatv2078 there is absolutely nothing new or creative about this.
it was late the whole thing is Lein. They dumped it out so the people who are like you know what actually you’re openly telling the world you like things dumber. you like things that you don’t have to think about as much as a kid’s cartoon.
Think that thought through adults want to think less than children
Oh man, this may be the first time that I respectfully disagree almost entirely with the post reaction discussion. It is like Gyatso said "let go of the past, or [you'll] never have a future."
I think too many read just the headline about these 'creative differences' during production and the narrative for this /adaptation/ was cursed before we even got a proper trailer. We were set up to speculate and be disappointed so when the show finally came out many were almost already conditioned to pick it apart. Will the animation always be the 'best' way to consume this content? Arguably, absolutely (best being subjective of course) but does that mean that this live action /adaptation/ has to be hated because it is not a 1 for 1? Like many other comments have said, we all need to put that narrative to rest because whatever the dispute was we are all not privy to and there does not appear to be any further bad will anywhere with blog posts deleted and so on.
Of course, if this version of the story (in which they are pulling from various seasons of Avatar as well as from Korra AND the additional comic book materials) is not resonating with you then that is totally understandable. I have some maaaaaaaaajor gripes with the writing of the show for Team Avatar in particular and just do not feel compelled to care about their story at all...whereas with Zuko and Iroh I feel like I am counting down the seconds and milliseconds before they come back on screen. I think what makes this difference from the One Piece adaptation is tone and I think that is where the divide among viewers is coming from. With One Piece, from my understanding, is captures the tone and mood of the anime so it is easier for the original fans to digest the changes because it still feels like One Piece. With this version, the tone is so different from its animated counterpart and that takes a lot for people to adjust to and then throw in all the other additional changes that, sincerely, do fit this new tone and perspective on the story but are big departures from the story that people grew up adoring and how that version made them feel.
I will say though that episode 4 started to lose me and I found myself drifting more out of it along with Oak on my own personal journey - though not because I wished I had a 1 for 1 retelling but rather the writing for Team Avatar is just...not strong (though I did love adding in the fog and Katara and Sokka getting their backstory moments to parallel how we had Aang's in the first episode and we could somewhat see how they may trauma bond a bit). The part of the episode that actually brought me back in was when Gyatso tells Aang it wasn't his fault and offers those words of validation that he had been so desperate for - until then I was waxing and waning with interest.
HOWEVER....episode 6 and through to the conclusion kept me in it and left me feeling fulfilled for the most part.
But woof does the show need to trust its audience more and offer less exposition.
This is my honest raw opinion. I love the animated series but I am thankful that they didn't did the story exactly as it goes on the cartoon. I mean, the story is the same, I mean the plot, but we are experimented a different way to get to the same point. I like not knowing exactly what is going to happen next or see how the writers deal to solve the script for certain important events on the show. They did an amazing show, many things make more sense to me in the live action and I am here for the next seasons.
No offence to Oak because literally everyone mentioned this and I've said this to other people but I think we all need to give this whole "OG creators left the production" topic a rest now. Not only do the original creators (Mike and Bryan, A.K.A Bryke) have writing credits on both episode 1 AND 6, their studio Avatar Studios was the one feeding the Netflix production the newer canon info they wanted added into this show. One of them attended the premiere and enjoyed himself, taking down a blog he wrote after they left the Netflix show, which shows he no longer has any negative feelings towards this production and likes it. Showrunner Albert Kim was also working on this show from Day One and got to work closely with Bryke and has said he talked with them extensively about their vision for this live action, so if anyone deserved to run this show after they left it was 100% him. They left it in the best hands possible.
Not to mention, the OG creators were involved in the awful 2010 version! Granted they said (after it came out and everyone hated it) they didn't get to do what they wanted, but they still got to make some of their own decisions on that movie. For example, one of the main things everyone hated was the ridiculous change made so that firebenders could only firebend when there was a physical fire nearby which just made 0 sense and would've ruined the whole story since all you had to do was put the fires out and the fire nation was done lol. Guess what? Bryke were the ones who wrote that change in. So how are we so sure that their version of a live action actually would've been good or better than this one?
Also, the episodes they did write or co-write for this version are still being nitpicked and criticized by fans! Yes, we don't know which parts they wrote and which parts the co-writer did but even episode 6 which for the most part people have absolutely LOVED, has things in it that upset fans.
Also about the "line for line" bit, I know some people would enjoy that but for me and a lot of other people; that's just not what we wanted from this adaptation. If you just want to remake the show 1-for-1, then sorry but what's the point? If i wanted to watch the original show then i'd watch the original show. The point of an adaptation is that it recreates the show in a new light, with different info taken from other pieces of media i.e the comics, korra & the novels, and just overall retells that same story but in a new way for live action. The same way Marvel, DC and even Percy Jackson are doing it. Personally, I also see it as a little disrespectful to the original animation; almost as if you're saying "well ok i loved this cartoon, but wouldn't it just be BETTER if it was real people?" like you believe animation is inferior to live action. And i know that's the issue a lot of people had when this show was announced, they didn't think it needed to be made bc the cartoon was perfectly fine and a lot of people don't believe Everything needs a live action remake.
Thank you for the comment, that is bothering me as well. The cartoon was lightning in a bottle that can't easily be replicated, no matter if the og creators are involved or not. We can see that very clearly in the 2010 movie.
I do wonder where that information about one of the og creator attending the premiere comes from though, aside from comments on YT I couldn't find any information on that...
@@Lothiril There’s a photo of Mike with Albert at the premiere! There’s also a few videos of him at the premiere on Reddit :)
Seriously I am so tired of people saying this. The OG creators actually wanted to make MORE changes and resolve plot lines, add stuff, etc. Netflix was actually the one who wanted to remain more faithful.
If Creators leave a project and don't announce what their idea was before the project is completed then I can't trust any comments from thoseCreators about the project upon release. It is too easy to take credit for only the good and ignore the bad you may have placed. Have we learned nothing from George Lucas. Han shot first George stop changing things.
To Oak, doing the exact same thing in "live action" becomes another Lion King disaster. I sure don't want that.
Did you notice he didn’t actually heal the forest spirit or accomplish anything really in this episode?
He got his friends lost and they got unlost, but he didn’t solve any problems
Yeah that has bugged me a bit. I think planting the acorn right at the feet of the shrine was supposed to be symbolic of maybe bringing healing or something, but I definitely would've liked to have actually seen that it did something if that was the case.
@@nathanielreik6617 no, he doesn’t heal the forest at all. That spirit just goes on being angry. There’s no interaction there planting an acorn doesn’t do it cause it’s not what happened in the cartoon either like in the cartoon, they already planted acorns they had to actually talk to the spirit and explain to him and help it heal, which apparently they are not doing in the live action. They took out all the actual great lessons like being kind nature women can be bad asses all that nice stuff and just gone now women are just made to talk to men about making them feel better and any environmental damage done is just consequences of war and doesn’t need intervention or healing.
I understand your final point, it's like people love the harry potter films, growing up as huge fan of the book, every film i was like "oh they changed so much, and didn't include x y and z, and took liberties with a b and c " It often put a damper on a lot of the films for me. Now when i see adaptation i go "don't compare it tooooooo much to the original source as it will never be exactly how it was." and that lead me now to just enjoy adaptations for what they are now.
Yeah, and then, when the last Harry Potter movie came out, they scramble to throw together a story, because so much of the stuff they had cut out was super important, which is why the last two movies are nothing at all like the books. You got a few highlights, but majority wise no not at all different meetings, different plots, everything because so much that they needed to have for that last book they had cut out in all the other movies. All the buildup was gone.
This created a problem for Harry Potter as well like that’s a reason some people are actually OK with this new series coming out because one of the first things that fans mention is all the shit they wish the movie had.
@@tracim3080 but. If you never knew the books or source material and saw it as its own thing. They're good films. Same woth thos avatar
@@boffgirl actually, no everybody I know who didn’t read the books was Hella confused with a lot of things going on in those last movies
A lot of stuff doesn’t make sense unless you read the books
Like why Harry thought a deer was his dad because he never explains the whole prongs being his dad‘s nickname and his Petronas thing, and that his dad could change into a deer.
To them randomly shutting dobby into the last movies because they were supposed to have him in all of the movies but one and three but they don’t bring them in until just before they killed him off and creature he’s supposed to be Harry’s house elf we don’t really see much or know anything about how Harry really inherited the house.
Some people just can't understand how others can enjoy something they didn't enjoy themselves. And vice versa. And some just can't accept opinions other than their own. The old sayin, opinions are like ass holes...
@@tracim3080 I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but everyone you know doesn't even come close to representing the world's population.
I understand not having a 1:1 live action, and for most of the changes I do like! I only have problems when the essence of a character gets changed especially in a negative way. For example, Sokka’s dad would never ever say something so horrible about his son. He can be critical and give Sokka a more instructive lesson about how dangerous it can be, but to have no faith in Sokka is against why we love Hakota’s design in the cartoon.
I get that this is supposed to give an explanation why Sokka was obsessed with leading and making the calls, but if his dad really had so little faith, he wouldn’t have left Sokka in charge and because we saw the village we know in the live action there were other males that were just as old so that means his dad assigned him specifically to be in charge thus creating an inconsistency.
Again, plot changes are totally fun and creates newer experiences but changing a character’s personality (especially someone who shaped Sokka’s life and whose personality is why the two of them connect through humor and trust) should have been left alone.
Spot on. I HATE what they did to Hakoda. They wanted to give Sokka the "Daddy Issues" and totally ruined the relationship with his dad.
There are certain things you are not allowed to change.
Shoulda made his pain about being left behind like in the OG which was so more meaningful.
About the changes- just because we're introduced to the owl here, doesn't mean we won't also meet him later. There are some changes they made here for time but also because certain things just wouldn't translate as well to live action. Look at Boomi- they seemed to try to make him look and act like his animated version and it came across as cheesy and distracting. It's very easy to pick things apart if you're expecting the show to be 1-to-1. But as a big fan of the original, I appreciated a lot of the changes made. Different doesn't have to mean bad.
Lastly-Koh is so amazing here! He was somehow creepier here than in the animated series.
Live-Action Bumi made sense tho. More realistic response from a King left to deal with war for 100 years without the Avatar, who he'd known as his friend.
Yea. I thought bumi and uncle iroh are the only ones that made sense. Tho kudos to zuko guy doing all those stunts.
No it wasn’t. Trauma also helps people grow. That’s the original point of Bumi.
This bumi isn’t white lotus material.
then you don't understand Bumi's character. Bumi is NOT A NORMAL PERSON. He is eccentric, he's different, he sees the world differently than others. That's who Bumi is supposed to be. and people like him DO exist in real life. They clearly butchered Bumi's character and turned him into an angry old man with anger issues
your argument would be valid if Bumi is supposed to be a normal king. But he's not. He is SUPPOSED to be WEIRD. He is SUPPOSED to be a wild card. He's weird, unpredictable, and nothing can bother him because he has a different way of thinking than everybody else
@@ayafei You are reading into the text provided. Bumi in Live Action is still eccentric and up for fun. The change is he was mad his friend abandoned him. Which is a fact of the original that Aang abandoned everyone. We can blame Raava or Wan or whoever controls the Avatar State before Aang gets control in Book 3. But this thinking comes from fans building up Bumi in their heads for 10+ years.
Been waiting for this for so long… my fav episode
This is good but episode 6 is even better in my opinion, love the Zuko backstory.
this was my least favorite episode
The way i see it, it's an alternative universe. The lure still sticks to the main points, exploring different ideas from different perspectives but yet still following the main structure that holds the passion we have behind it. Regardless of the changes of the story, actors/actresses and writers, could we make the same argument when we all went in blind on One Piece Live action without knowing the backstory but exploring it in a different way
Speaking of Spirited Away, when will guys react to "Spirited Away" the movie. Its probably the best anime movie ever made.
Or other Ghibli movies. I was very impressed and touched by "The Boy and the Heron".
Lucky for you they did react to it! ...Unfortunately they didn't enjoy it 😅
@@samanthahumphreys9783 XD brother you went and found this comment just to say that XD
the thing I didn't like about this episode and the following was that there wasn't any closure for the spirit of the forest, the bear/big black and white creature, like there was in the animated series. It's just lost in the shuffle of episode content used to make this story arc. I liked the netflix live action but I felt they were trying to shove too many side plots into single episodes and kept losing the point of those plots in the process. Also, Sokka and Katara never were in the spirit world in the animated show. My other pet peeve is how Aang can only talk to his past lives while at their specific shrine/at their statue. That's just stupid.
I don't necessarily disagree with Oak on some of his points, but I actually don't think it's as easy as making everything shot for shot from cartoon to live action. There were extended fight scenes in the animated, which they would not have the budget for in this and some scenes that would work better in the cartoon vs real people acting them out. PLUS these actors and actresses are already being heavily compared to the animated versions and imagine if they had them say ALL of the exact lines. People are being so critical of this already that they would say things like, "Oh Aang's voice actor said that line with a little more emotion than Gordon did," or "Oh Dante Basco gave a better delivery on that exact line." The amount of comparisons would be even worse.
I will agree that I felt like they threw in Wan Shi Tong (the owl) as fan service just in case they didn't get a season 2 (same with the minstrels from the last episode), but I don't mind seeing Azula or Ozai early at all. Ozai needed more depth vs being a one dimensional villian (plus watching Daniel Dae Kim slay the role is a treat), and Azula I feel as though they're setting her up to be a more tragic character. In this version, she seems to have a better relationship with her friends and I think we're going to watch her become more cold, detached, and psycho as she grows more power hungry and push them away. It will be sad when she gets betrayed by them and eventually is defeated, because we watched her slowly get swallowed by her own pride and greed with no way to save her.
English is not my native language. I also wanted to explain to them exactly like you said, but didn't succeed lol. So thank you for writing that.
Can't wait for season 2!🙌
And why is it automatically that he wants it shot for shot? Did he say he was shot for shot or did he just say he wanted it to actually uphold the deeper values the cartoon did follow the nice storytelling and creativeness the cartoon head not be shoving dialogue down our throats, and changing the meaning behind everything.
@@tracim3080 he was speaking about it being that way at 34:30. He said based on the 20 episodes from S1 with a runtime of 22 minutes they could have done it shot for shot, line for line. Now I'm not saying he wants exactly that, but I was responding based on whether that was a good idea when he was questioning why they didn't do that. To me, runtime means nothing when not everything can translate perfectly with budget and two different mediums. I'm not saying this show was a masterpiece and this episode was my least favorite, but I am speaking purely on the fact that there are way too many things to consider when asking for a shot for shot. Someone made a good point in another video that live action Disney remakes have tried to do that (i.e. Lion King) and it did NOT work. The movie was boring as hell and felt like a cash grab by being lazy with absolutely nothing being original. This show can never compare to the original ATLA, since it was lightning in a bottle, but I still enjoyed it regardless.
@@bananies12 yeah, he said he wanted to have it so that it was the same story not necessarily you know frame for a frame not one for one adaptation but like you’re adapting the story keep the story.
I CANNOT wait to see azulas downfall, i love how shes written in the cartoon, and im already loving her portrayal in the live action. I really hate when people say shes fat, shes not, she just has a round face.
We did learn that Kya, Katara and Sokka’s mom, sacrificed herself to protect Katara in the original series. When Katara and Zuko seek out the Fire Nation Lt. that killed her mother in order to get revenge, they find him retired, miserable and living with his mother. They ambush him on the road back from the market, and Katara threatens to eviscerate him with weaponized raindrops. She forces him to remember her but spares his life. The sequence was intense and really cool.
Sokka’s ice trials were reimagined for this series, but he gets to do them successfully with the squad when Bato is rehabilitating in the animated series.
They addressed that. It’s the fact that’s a season 3 story and they used it in episode 5 of season 1.
@@Pyrowith2os The Episode Bato of the Watertribe was in Season 1 of the OG-Show, which Season 3 Ep are you talking about?
@@John_Raiyder S3EP16 Southern Raiders. It's where we learn about what happened to Katara's mom exactly.
@@enchanter1520 Oh sorry I thought you meant that Part about Bato and Sokkas Ice-dodging trials
@@enchanter1520 Exactly "I'm not taking prisoners today" Except that in the cartoon (because its a cartoon) Katara didn't see it she ran to get her dad.
i was 12 when the original aired and have been a fan ever since. i've rewatched both atla and korra countless times. and i think they made a lot of little changes that were actually quite good! but the oak is mostly right. they should've kept most of it almost exact. and i think if they wanted to change some things around to make it a bit different, they needed better writing. less exposition, less repetition, less tell, more show. there's a clunkiness to it that the original writing never had-- in fact the original had every beat timed perfectly, including humour. this needed more space for those changes to work properly-- another ep or 2 could've gone a long way with that. they changed some of the fundamental aspects of the characters and storyline and made it less impactful, and it's partly because the confines of it being a kid's cartoon and because the original is just so tight and completely perfect that it's glaringly obvious. it's nickelodeon's masterpiece for a reason. we didn't even need a live-action, but they decided to do it, and should've committed as hard as possible (especially after the mess that was the shymalan movie). and it's extra frustrating because the effects are fantastic, and they've added a lot of little things in that give it a little bonus flair. the actors also did a brilliant job, even if a couple were very strongly let down by writing and direction. if this was a netflix original it would be relatively decent, but when we're very clearly going to be holding it up to the phenomenal original, it pales in comparison because of what they decided to change and how they did it. and yeah, it seems this ep is really where they start to break off significantly, and those of us who were keeping an open mind started to lose interest. overall it's not horrible, but i really hope they make changes for seasons 2 and 3 based on the feedback of criticism fans have made
We don’t know that Wan Shi Tong won’t be back though. I don’t think they intend to skip the library stuff, they just did the intro to the character earlier in the series.
They have set it up though so they don’t have to go to the library. Admiral Zhao is supposed to learn about the ocean and moon spirits at the Great Library, but in this version he learns about them at Roku’s shrine.
@@loganleroy8622they dont go to the library because of zhao lol they go because they meet professor zei so ofc they can go back. they haven't set up anything, y'all are just making up what u want to believe
Wan Shi Tong can still be at the Library. The spirit realm even in the Animated was never temporal space meaning it takes time to walk from one place to another. Even in Korra the spirit realm can be large or small depending on the focus of that situation. The original was never clear about the rules of spirits. Korra didn't clarify anything about the spirits.
@@loganleroy8622The main thing is not the library or the owl. But when Appa was kidnapped and Toph couldn't do anything because Aang Crue's safety was also in her hands and when Sokka knew the exact time Sozin's comet would appear again. And Admiral Zhao's name can still be mentioned in season 2 or given in flashbacks like in the animation as someone who has a curiosity about the spirit world.
So the possibility of a library story in the desert still exists.
Let's save this argument later until season 2 comes out
@JrE-il7cfthere was no point to miss lmfao just a bunch of yap. there was absolutely nothing set up to stop them from going to the library. they don't know about the comet, they don't know about the darkest day in fire nation history, they haven't met professor zei. literally all of those things require them to go to the library. just bc we see wan shi tong beforehand in this season, doesn't mean his library is suddenly void. we don't know if zhao still went there or not bc just like the og cartoon, its smth we learn in SEASON 2
The oak is understanding the issue people are having that the morals and values the original was displaying for us to think about is gone.
It’s lacking the substance that made the cartoon worth watching.
Okay, the reason that the original creators left was for many reasons. One of which was creative differences, but a bigger one is that they wanted to do other things. Creative types aren't keen to remake the things they already made, they want to make new things.
Also, the kids in Jurassic park weren't sets of twins, where did you get that from?
I watched the original with my wife when it came out - we just sort of stumbled on it, I don't recall how since Nickelodeon was not something we watched. We loved it from the start. I have watched the series multiple times and I have watched quite a few reaction videos like you guys, so you get kind of a high-lights version. To me, if they had done the live action scene for scene, line for line - what would have been the point? Now I am not happy with every choice they have made, but aside of the fact that being live action makes some changes necessary - like the fact that the whole original series takes place in less than a year in world time, but when you have actors who are between 12 and 20 when they start and it will take at least 3 years and maybe more to produce it all so by the end, your 12 year old is 15 or 16... it doesn't work unless you allow the in world time to also take several years. There are other things that work in animation which don't work so well in live, unless you are having live actors playing a cartoon - which makes the whole feel more cartoon than the actual animated series did. So no matter what, if you are making the show feel "real", there needs to be some changes.
But beyond that, given how amazing the animated was, if your goal is to just duplicate it then there is no real point. But if the idea is to take the original story concept and re-imagine it - that has some value. The question is, how much? I feel that for the most part they are staying close to the original while being a re-imagined version. Just as there are many versions of Robin Hood all based off of the original story - some stay fairly close, some are almost unrelated because they changed so much. In my experience, many of the ones which stay close to the original, though they are very different from each other, are in fact very good and hold true to the story concept. I feel that is what is happening here. As one of the people involved in this Netflix series said, and I have repeated various places, in musical terms, this is not the song done by a cover band, this is a new arrangement of the song being done is a different style. I don't know if you are familiar with Postmodern Jukebox, but they take modern songs and do them in older styles to create amazing renditions of how a song might have been if it was written in another time. That is, to me, what this is like.
Oh, and while I was writing this, Oak said something about the original creators leaving over creative differences. I think you have misunderstood what happened, because based on what has been said about it, the original writers wanted to totally re-write the story because they have indicated that doing the same story again is boring - Netflix didn't want as much change from the original. My understanding is they wanted to take the core concept they had before they started writing and use that to start over from scratch - which would leave you with the main characters and the situation as laid out at the start and nothing else.
They did sooooo good with Koh😭 probably my favorite episode ❤ love y’all’s reactions 🎉
Oak, you can't just make the animated series one to one into live action. If they did that, the show would be awful and it would ONLY yield disappointment. The animated show will always be there, this show doesn't replace it. Try to watch the show for what it is and don't expect everything to be a one-for-one copy of the animated show. That wouldn't work.
When people mention "the original creators left", that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I mean, the original creators were involved with the live action movie but that wasn't great. Also, the two original creators are animators... Being able to tell a fantastic story through animation doesn't mean you are able to tell a fantastic story in live action.
A lot of (not all) the fanbase of Avatar are unfortunately EXTREMELY closed minded when it comes to something that's even slightly different.. Even The Legend of Korra for example
Lastly, an Owl showing up in one place of the spirit world doesn't mean it's impossible for it to show up in another place of the spirit world...... I mean, it's the damn spirit world
I understand your point and I agree with you to some point, I liked some changes and those were smart and perfectly put into the story. Like The Answer said, they are trying to get in the most important things and they feel cohesive in the most part but as a fan, we, and the Oak has the right to his own opinion and the good thing is that he is being respectful about it. I remember watching the maze runner movie and hating it, and I repeat, HATED IT because it was different from the books BUT after rewatching it several times I realized the movies were amazing in their own way, seperated from the books. Some of this chapters are really good, like you said, as a new tv show, not everything will be the same, but again, he has the right to not agree with it if he wants.
Yet they had no issues with changes from One Peice because they never seen the original.. Oak just needs to learn how to experience things with the perspective of "what if the animation didn't exist, let me just judge this live action series as if it didn't." But no it seems impossible for Oak because does it everytime without fail on every single remake or adaptation.
The show is already awful with the bad writing and stuff.
@@zatzu9618 I don't think is the bad writing (though I'll have to see it again to analyze that) I think is the bad delivery of those lines in some characters, that's what bothered me the most
@@alexianigollarza3583 I would agree with that. Unfortunately young kids are often not great actors, or at least not great at delivering emotional dialogue.
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There’s a theory that he wasn’t actually “watching a game of Pai Sho”.. he was actually meeting up with members of the white lotus
Kinda makes sense
Hey guys! For all of you, but particularly Oak, by now you probably have finished the season, so I want to recommend a video by someone who specializes in adapting scripts from existing stories, is a major major fan of the original material and even uses it on her classes.
From the things you guys were questioning I think it would be a very useful video, for this and all other adaptations you guys might see here (including rings of power!)
The main video yall should watch is called "S1 Discussion | Avatar the Last Airbender Netflix" by the channel The Sword and the Pen Reflections
Disney does line-for-line live actions of classic cartoons…
Are they good?
Touch'e
I understand the frustration with the changes, but wanting it to 1:1 is sad and BORINGGG. cause, if that’s what they do, if its a 1:1 adaption then it would be so fucking boring because I would rather the watch the original animation? I think they are brining some characters sooner, as introduction but still having their arcs ready for the future seasons. Owl was a spirit, understandable that he will be in the spirit world, and he would still be in the library still (I assume cause that it essential). Koh was in book 1. The original creators wanted to change some stuff, and Netflix wanted to stay on track. They also left because of nickelodeon giving them a studio. They were in the premier of this show. They also directed episode 1. Let’s not forget, the original creators are in part of that movie that we are not going to talk about. Enjoy the show for what it is, I understand the nitpicking cause I do to, but we can’t have things the way it is.
I give this adaption a 9/10. It's incredible. The bending is incredible, the characters are incredible especially Iroh and Zuko. The arcs are blended together that would make sense. Episode 5-8 are incredible action, feels, story. Cinematic masterpieces 🤌🏽🔥
Personally, I'd have loved it if they mostly told the stories between the ones we saw - so you skip over an episode in the original and show instead what happened between that and the next episode. So for example, do an episode of what happened between the end of Jet and the beginning of The Great Divide, and have that instead of The Great Divide. So basically, figure out what parts are vital to the story and include those but fill in the rest with stuff that logically might have happened in between.
@@cjbossin97 that's too high for me LOL but i enjoyed it cause of it still has the spirit of the animation in it. i would give this adaption a solid 6.5. everything else i agree on, but the choreo for the fight scenes felt really short for me, and i wish for it to somehow be longer w great choreography as well. episode 6 is my fave!
@@TheFireMonkey ME TOO! i somehow like the additions in this adaptation, rather than the changes. i think book 2 is much more linear in its episodes which i think is much easier to adapt, when in comparison to book 1 where it feels cartoony that it goes everywhere. so i'm kinda confident they can really adapt book 2 better than this one.
@@neilgcu The fact that they have confirmed not only book 2, but book 3 as well, I think gives them a much better chance to do way better.
I liked this episode more after watching the next one since it doesn’t have a clean ending and I couldn’t figure out how many episodes they were mixing. I really enjoy this adaptation.
I’m not sure if you guys have seen Ever After with Drew Barrymore, but when I watch it I feel like “this is what really happened, and the cartoon is a cute version for kids” in a similar way I feel like this live action and the original cartoon are two separate tellings of the same story and maybe the cartoon is the “real” one but the LA is telling the same story with understandable misinformation because storytelling by word of mouth is unreliable (which is why the play at the end of the original was so hilariously correct and wrong simultaneously).
Arden Cho did an incredible job playing June!
This is the episode I kind of took a break after, but I did thoroughly enjoy the rest plus a full rewatch. Fully agree about everything you guys said in the wrap up though
34:48 they could, but what would the point of that product be? for people like me who have watched the series and read the comics time and time again, all of this serves as additional content for me, and I would not have enjoyed the series half as much if it was just the same show except in real life
I was thinking the same thing. Why even bother making a live action? Personally I like that they have taken stuff from later episodes and put it in the first season.
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OG A:TLA fan here... i used to sleep with it on continuous play.... it was SO WELL DONE, there was no way a live action could take it 1:1 bc there is so much freedom with animation that just isn't possible with live action... but i say BRAVO bc to someone watching this w/out the cartoon in their head, this is really good work... i was disappointed in Bumi, but that's bc the cartoon Bumi has my heart and a human actor can't do what the cartoon did... if i didn't already have Bumi in my mind, i don't know how i would have reacted to this one... overall, i am satisfied, glad they did it, glad it was greenlit for seasons 2 and 3 .... flameo, hotmen!
About the changes - I do agree with the Oak somewhat. On one hand, I don’t need a line for line shot for shot remake, because then the 20 episodes of content would feel really choppy squished into the 8 episodes. BUT I wish the adaptation was more faithful, at least in terms of just keeping it restricted to things that occurred in season 1 of the cartoon, not pulling so much from season 2/3 and the comics and Korra. I don’t need Wan Shi Tong (the owl) introduced here. And I didn’t need Katara and Sokka to be in the fog of lost souls (from Korra!) which seemed to also pull from the Foggy Swamp episode of season 2. There are more things that got changed in the finale that I didn’t like either but I don’t go into here because of spoilers. I hope when they do the adaptation for season 2, it is MUCH more faithful to the cartoon. I think it is the easiest season to adapt as a linear adventure.
while i dont mind they changing up the order of events or revealing characters earlier i personally don't like most of the character portrayals and they often write themselves into a corner with unnecessary changes and then come up with a very cheesy unrealistic resolution which are vastly inferior to the original (Bumi episode and these spirit world episodes as examples)
yeah i really hate watching people trying to justify what at the end of the day is just bad writing
I think something has to be said for the fact that not until recently they were not cleared for more then 1 season. It was expected they would get more then 1 season sure, but it wasn't confirmed till recently when they did the announcement that a season 2 and season 3 has been green lit. Looking at it this way, I can see how maybe moving stuff around to get the big cameos and such in was a decision made with the knowledge they may not be able to do them in another season. I wont lie at the start I hoped for it to be closer to the OG series. But apart from Bumi I can see why they changed and combined stuff. For the Owl, like Azula I just hope they are introducing the characters early, but we shall see more of them next season. So hopefully we do actually go to the Library and meet back up with the owl. Also the original creator who wrote he was out for creative difference change his stance one the show was out and rescinded what he said.
You are going to love the next episode
I'm sorry, but if this was a 1:1 remake of the Live action, I wouldn't even want to watch. Who in the heck wants to watch the same thing again... just in live action form? I would rather watch the animated cartoon again, if anything.
Also, do you know how many set pieces and locations they would have to craft and create to be able to repeat an animated show?? That would not be feasible, possible, or even doable with the budget they had. That's why Omashu became the setting for 3-4 other stories because it was a big set piece, and they couldn't justify crafting that just for 30 minutes of a 45 minute episode.
You're asking for too much and not taking anything into real consideration.
Yeah exactly like the just watch the original the whole point of live actions are to have the essence of the story but having a whole different plot which makes the viewer interested in more like I honestly like this version but the original is the best and shouldn’t be copied just with real people but yeah there both great in their own way
I think the reason Netflix can't show live action line by line exactly like in animation is because of cost. This is a classic excuse but that's the reality. You might notice that each episode the CGI starts to get better, as they want to spent a lot of money on the final battle.
Common knowledge in Netflix projects, they put funding limits on each project.
So, the director, writer and production team tried with their creativity, with limited funds to still bring every important plot in the animation into the live action.
So that's why in previous episodes, including this episode, the style of their shooting is like killing two birds with one stone.
So for the best. I can compromise on that.
I don't realize how this common sense statement wouldn't even occur to Oak as a possibility, I'm sitting there like, "So you think Netflix has that kind of money to do a shot for shot? Keep dreaming".
Oak rings of power don’t have the rights to all of Tolkiens materials so they can’t do everything, Mason Quinn they did condense the lord of the rings movies to and it is very different to the books so
Definitely the quickest I've seen an upload. Stoked for another ATLA vid! Love the content!
I was surprised by Wan Shi Tong too, but if you remember in the cartoon, they often see visions of things to come in the series when in the spirit world. So, same deal here.
The live action being a shot by shot remake of the cartoon would be terrible. There are things that work in cartoons that don't work in the live action. And guess what? The cartoon is still there. This show doesn't take away from it or make it disappear. Just watch the show for what it is.
Having seen the OG show just once, it far from a bad thing, It keeps the mind more open to this adaptation of the show.
I have seen to many people that are so die hard for the OG show, they want this to be a play by play of that. And bash every detail that is not exactly done the way it was in the animated series.
I remember the animated series very well, and also know that in this adaptation they mix up a few things. Or pur some things together from different times in the animated series.
But what people seem to forget, this was to be one season at first, so they were not sure they had enough time to go into detail.
I also see it in a way that they had to make this show also for people that never saw the animated series at all. Keeping it open enough that those people will understand the story and what is going on.
Besides that they do hit certain points, plotlines and little nodds to the animated series which fans will get. Trying to please those fans while not making it difficult to understand for people that not know the details.
Gives also a plus that for newer people watching this, it might lead more people to ATLA and Koraa, making more fans of the universe.
i will agree this is not completely perfect but still no where near as bad as some people make it out to be.
I usually appreciate Oak's insight in a lot of media but this one I have to disagree. There's no point in doing a shot for shot live-action of the cartoon. First, there are things that don't translate well into live-action. Second, it's a comple waste of money (20 episodes means different settings almost every episode = expensive as hell). And third, it's way more interesting to see a retelling of the cartoon. Seeing the Agni Kai between Zuko and Ozai, the Air nomad genocide, Iroh and Ozai speaking to each other, etc... This show has problems, which I personally think can and would probably be fixed for season 2 and 3 if the writers listen to the feedback. But bashings things because they're not exactly like the original cartoon is such a wrong way to look at this media. Imagine Aang in the live-action searching for frogs to cure Katara and Sokka. Trapping Katara and Sokka in the spirit world makes more sense in a live-action. Even if the retelling of the story is bad and they butcher things which I don't think they did (missed a point on a lot of stuff though), the original is still here to be appreciated by all of us.
There’s also a difference I believe in leaving things out and compressing it than switching the order of situations with no real reasoning. Because we talk about the side quests as being nothing but sometimes they do learn valuable information and certain things are catalysts for other so you’ve taken away that flow of the plot.
I am a hard-core animated series fan and I found the live action series...fine. I was a little disturbed by some of the changes, fascinated by others and actually really loved a few. My feelings would be a lot less conflicted if I'd never seen the animated series...it would just be a really good show, full stop.
God i love dallas as zuko. Hes so damn good. Him and Iroh are just doing so amazing.
And azulas portrayal is definitely memorable already. Watching the cartoon again i can see both versions of azula and i love it.
The thing I’ve noticed with this first season is it feels like they are leading to a bigger picture that we prob won’t see till season 2 or 3.
You also have to remember; og avatar cartoon set the bar so high, it probably will never be touched.
Main thing: they did super way better than the other live action we shall not name.
I personally wouldn’t mind if this series is as thought of as an introduction, and set-up for the world of Avatar. So in the overall season 1 story arc, I feel as if the characters “evolved” to ones that were, in a way, “closer” to the animated series in at the end. I’m looking forward to season 2 and 3. 😍
There are 2 ways this could go, they show the owl to reaffirm we will be getting the library, or the worst option, they showed it now because we won't be getting that arch.
I am glad it’s wasn’t word for word. It’s would have been boring
I actually like the change of Sokka and Katara being trapped in Spirit World and that's why Aang has to save them,not cause they're sick.Meeting Spirit of Knowledge now was interesting,I hope we see him again in second season in the Library.Koh was really creppy :O
As to just making a one to one remake: EP 1: Sokka bonks Aang with the butt of the spear. That would look ridiculous and slap stick Three Stooges in live action. Secret tunnels: Little baby face Gordon kissing Kiawentiio would be... Yikes. Bumi being bitter makes sense after a hundred years at war, rather than "Messing with people is fun" as his reasoning for the tests. I could go on.
YALLL I DONT AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS TO THE SHOW! As a big fan of the show, I LOVE THE CHANGES! If the did the live action word per word, scene by scene, then why do I still have to watch it. I would’ve been booooooooringgggg if they just purely copy the animated series. I think the changes that they made make sense.
They never could separate adaptions from their original work
I agree that scene for scene is unrealistic, but some changes didnt make sense. Such as the lack of humor for feels. Like 60% about the feelings, 30% about action and the other 10% some weak comedy.
maybe even more about the feelings and less about the comedy and joy of the story.
some changes were bad tho like changing entire chracters, I am okay with some of the plot changes but its the character changes which took me out
Bad writing and bad decision making. There is a difference between Mom and pop pizza vs digiorno. Everybody loves pizza but ppl with actual taste buds know difference. Ppl that understand the quality story telling in the original should have an issue with the obvious textbook mistakes in the live adaption. In the same way m night last air bender was objectively bad not just cuz it was not accurate to source material but bc it had bad writing, casting , acting bad decisions were made. This live action has bad writing, bad dialogue, bad decision making, bad casting ie katara, Azula and all female characters minus Suki.
I agree with oak.
For Azula and Ozai, if you look at it in the show, they don't actually have much screen time at all. I think having snippets of them this early is just to tease us for more screen time in the later seasons. Is it necessary to see them so soon? No. But it isn't such a bad thing to have a little introduction of them before we see them in full swing next season.
My guess with not being able to follow the cartoon episode by episode, is that if you look through the episodes of the cartoon (especially later in the season) each 'side quest' / episode doesn't happen one after the other. There may be a period of time/days between them where they're just travelling (eg. one episode they're in a water ship, the next at a fire nation festival then at the northern air temple). All the side quests work in the cartoon because they're episodic--and have time for filler scenes/episodes. Combining the episodes from the cartoon together line by line to make a longer episode for the live action wont really work because then it'll feel disjointed and rushed (and would be expensive). Unfortunately 8 episodes also doesn't give us the luxury of all those little moments from the cartoon that helps us learn more about their characters, so the showrunners really had to pick and choose which moments/events to keep--and probably why they decided to bring in people/characters earlier (ie. Jet and the freedom fighters).
I don't agree with the some of the choices in the live action, but I do understand them and appreciate some of them. I would have preferred that they kept as close to the original sequence of events as possible and I'm not completely sold on some of their creative liberties, but I'm trying to enjoy the show for what it is-- an adaptation not a remake. The LOTR and HP movies took creative liberties from their source material as well. The key to enjoying any adaptation is to watch it without too much of a scrutinising eye and enjoy it as its own thing, because it'll never be a perfect copy of the original source. As long as the characters are relatively like their original (still waiting for a bit more fierceness from Katara, and Azula more manipulative and confident--which will probably happen in the later seasons) and the story is on track, then I can still enjoy it. In saying that, I'm hoping the showrunners hear the opinions of this season, make good choices in what they choose to adapt later on and make sure that season 2 and 3 not stray too far from familiar cartoon everyone knows. At the moment though, this live action is still fun to watch.
Such an amazing episode
I can't give a real answer until I see the entire series or, at least, a lot more episodes, but I am currently okay with characters being introduced early because I don't think that means that those future plot points won't happen in later episodes.
I understand being disappointed by Bumi - he was a consequence of the change of tone for the series toward a more 'horrors of war' tone.
Yes Guys lol The library is in season two and was super powerful .. however the owl is the spirt of knowledge and can exist in the real world and the spirt world..so he’s still in the library waiting for season two 😂
Just realized…might be wrong…but we do see both azula and her dad in season 1 when uncle Iroh is retelling how Zuko got his scar. Now, you don’t see Ozai’s face, but you hear him talk and you do see azula smiling at Zuko’s pain.
Yes. You are correct. Those things did happen in Book 1.
@@Dryltd thank you.
cant remember but did we know it was azula at the time? Or did we even know he had a sister?
@@rickjohnson5752 last scene verifies earier flashback.
@@rickjohnson5752 we first see Azula during the flashback to the Agni Kai during "The Storm" but we first learn that Zuko has a sister when he mentions it during "The Siege of the North" while Aang is in the Spirit World. Then the last shot of the season is Ozai telling Azula to capture Zuko.
fun fact it was actually filmed in Canada BC
Im happy to be on this journey with yall! Idk why youtube wasnt showing me your reacts to this so far so ill have to go back and watch them ❤
Next ep is the best !!
Normally I believe you guys have really good takes and that's why I love watching your reactions, but Oak, you couldn't be more off in what you think you want from this show. Why would you want just a complete remake of the cartoon, when that already exists and is amazing? This needs to be viewed as something that enhances the original work, not to try and be a replacement. It almost feels like an insult to the original work to redo everything one by one. If House of the Dragon was 100% exactly straight from the books, the show would have ended in the first 20 minutes. Just wait until next episode, I think you will start to appreciate the things this show is adding after seeing that. To me, I can reason that the owl still IS at the library, in person, but he's just able to come see Aang in the spirit world, just how Aang is able to move around there even though his body is off meditating still. Yes, it would be nice if this detail was thought about and a line like "Now I must leave to protect my library back in the real world, Aang." to explain 'oh ya, he IS at the library, he's just currently entering the spirit world from there to talk to us here'. And it would have been cool if that's when he could have explained how Aang needs to not change his face when facing Koh. But whatever, again, the cartoon IS still there if I wanna enjoy the exact storylines I like. I think they are still doing a good enough job with this show that I can enjoy it, and it sucks to see you allow it to be ruined by you, and now for The Answer too, because you put up mental blocks about what you want this show to be. Try to appreciate it for what it is. There are flaws, yes, but it still was very enjoyable for me and did add some amazing additions to some characters that enhance the entire IP for me. Just give it a chance and stop being so in your head lol.
I will never understand why people want or expect exact copies, 1 for 1. That's stupid you have the original for that if that is what you want go back and watch the OG. l expect an adaption to tell the story in a different way. Live action I expect to be darker and more serious and in that case it can't be 1 to 1 because how do you show the genocide of the air nomads and Aang being a goof ball and penguin surfing in the same episode. The only thing I feel this show forgets is that Aang and friends are still kids so they need to be able to fold in some fun. But it would be out of place to have the pure level of obnoxious silly we get from a Y7 cartoon in a older audiences darker live action. So they over compensated a bit so Aang seems a little flat but over all good adaptation and I would have been disappointed with a copy. I hate remakes that try to be a copy it lacks creativity.
Episode 6 redeems the series, in my opinion. Be patient. I do think that cutting down the season to 8 episodes did hurt some of the depth, but I think most of the changes made sense given what they needed to do within the time constraints. However, it’s still important for you guys to be honest with your reactions, so thank you for being candid. Hopefully the writers will include changes for the next season based off of the critiques.
This is where I officially called it quits.
He didn’t even heal the freaking Forest.
All of the original meaning from the episode is gone they threw in all this random crap that’s just gimmicky.
Like you don’t need to mix, winter solstice, the swamp and blue spirit episodes altogether
They have no business mixing in season two content when they can’t even get through the season one because it’s not being introduced in the way that actually makes sense that actually goes with what those things were originally symbols of storytelling wise.
I feel the same as the oak
the owl's voice is Master oogway from Kung Fu Panda
Tbh I haven’t minded most changes. Like, seeing Wan Shi Tong, a spirit, in the spirit world makes sense to me, and he could still return for season 2.
A cartoon version & a live action version are such similar forms of media that if both versions were identical, it seems pointless to have both. And yes, then many people say they should have left it alone, but we’re here now & I personally like how they’ve changed it up. It’s not a copy, it’s an adaptation.
The cartoon had the time and ability to make it larger than life in every way. The live action version is more realistic in terms of letting us feel how much a 100 year long war affects everyone - Katara basically having ptsd affecting her bending, Bumi becoming very jaded, seeing Ozai manipulate his children, etc.
“Is that a frog, or a froggie thing?!?” Is one of my favorite lines ever, and his delivery was so spot on.
If we don’t get Ian on cactus juice we riot.
I just wanted to point out that aside from limited budget, time constraints, especially, regarding the child actors were a major factor why they couldn't make this into a full 20 episodes book season. Unlike LOTR trilogy, you can cover a lot more because the actors are adults and not going to look that much different in couple of years but that is not the same case with the child actors. You can't compare it with Harry Potter either because both the book and movie characters grew older together, whereas, in ATLA, Aang is 12 going on 13 throughout the whole series. The child actors can only work certain amount of hours unlike adults and at the same time, they grow up drastically during their teenage years, as you've also witnessed with HP series. Unless you can freeze the child actor, like Aang was or find another doppelganger, I think what you're asking is not realistic. Overall, I do understand that your want comes from your love of the OG ATLA and I do enjoy your reactions.
I dont need the same story, it would be boring
thats what an adaptation is supposed to do , if they want to make their own storny then do it from the scratch
I totally agree oak. If they just copied it line for line it’d be so much better😂😂
I kinda understood why they tried putting some characters into the first season, when Netflix released a video on Seasons 2 and 3 being announced just recently.
This is kinda like what happened with Korra, the creators didn't know for sure if the show will continue or not.
You remember how the fans were ripping Korra because of that. It was and still is brutal.
@@Dryltd And they STILL DO! even knowing all the reasoning behind it all. People have been so kind to the LA and I respect that, but it just seems like people are lowering standards just to not be mean
@@jduchiha4656 No. Avatar fans are elevating standards to ridiculous unreasonable levels. I have heard contradictory complaints about all types of things in the show. To the point that I hesitate to mention legitimate critiques because they will continue to fuel their head cannon about the show. I was on the disapproval side of the Korra Fandom. So I have seen the gymnastics. The problem is Korra is a sequel this is just another telling of the same story. Animation is the superior medium for fantastical stories. Once people decide to make a LA it will never be the same nor should it be. Even the Ember Island players didn't tell the story the same.
They did Soka really dirty in this episode. In the original, he had never been ice dodging until the episode where they met Bato. In this version, they said Bato had to jump in to save him, and he only passed he only passed due to nepotism. The other warriors in his village mock him, and even his dad says that some people shouldn't be entrusted with the lives of others. This really makes the story much weaker because it doesn't make sense that Soka's dad and the other warriors would leave to fight the Fire Nation and leave Soka in charge after this.
I think you're gonna enjoy the next episode 😊 But yeah, as you mentioned, I did not enjoy the Harry Potter movies at all bc they changed SO MUCH and left so much stuff out or gave it to other characters. But you guys loved them I hope you can look past the differences and let them not ruin this experience for you. Look at the positives: The CGI, the incredible fight scenes and set designs. Hang in there, guys!
Sorry, but the idea of a 1:1 transition just doesn't make sense. Why would any storyteller try to copy a story 1:1 if nothing is changed? Anyone who wants to watch the original story can watch the original story. What's the point of making the adaptation in the first place?
It's also pointless to compare the runtime of live action series with that of a cartoon. Cartoon allows for a much faster storytelling that would never work out the same way in live action. Real humans don't move that fast nor do they talk as fast unless you want them to look absolutely ridiculous.
And keep in mind, that the original creators were also executive producers on that terrible movie. Not everything they touch turns to gold. Rumour has it that they wanted to change even more, and that Netflix wanted to keep it close to the original. Them leaving doesn't mean the project itself turned out worse for it.
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I agree. Some things I think they can sharpen for S2 and 3 and it will be an even better experience. I was satisfied by what was done overall.
Exactly. If this show was a one to one recreation then there wouldn't be any real draw to watch it other than that it's live action and not animated. And when you just take everything one to one then there's little room for your own artistic skills. If you aren't the original creators then a one to one recreation is basically plagiarism and takes much less skill from a writing standpoint where as this does allow writers to use their own creativity.
Either do the same thing or make it better. The writing, dialogue and changes are terrible. The hard part should’ve been the effects not the storytelling. I’d love to see a 1:1 in a different visual medium. It would be cool to see. Bad decision after bad decision.
It's always a mixed bag with adaptations. I remember going through questions about changes when watching LOTR. Slowly, some of the changes started to grow on me. Some.
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That is something I also wonder, with a lot of adaptions of other media.
Why not get a 1:1 adaption even once?
People will say, that "there is no point in watching the live action if it's identical", but apparently that's what a lot of people want who have a problem with the live action.
So why not try that once?
It would be really interesting to see the critics of something like that.
The problem of doing a one to one episode is that the first season structure makes it impracticable. A bigger episode is still one episode, they can't simply condense multiple places and completely different plots into one episode, cause the pace would feel weard. The last two seasons have much more continued storylines, but season one of the cartoon has this "enemy of the week " vibe. That being said, I understand not doing a one to one adaptation, but some changes do feel unnecessary.
THANK YOU - jeeze I was really concerned that the BADD crew weren't going to see why so many of us were getting upset.
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My favorite episode is up next 6
Thank god for Oak...
Personally, i dont see the point of doing a shot for shot remake. I feel like it would make people even more nit-picky; just the nature of a live action. I think people would rather just watch the original if it was a shot for shot remake... That being said, they definitely had enough time to fit more content in
People also like to bring up the fact that the creators left the project. Coolio hated and was offended by Amish Paradise. Doesn't mean Weird Al didn't create something enjoyable.
I’m with Oak. Episode 4 & 5 were the worst of the bunch IMO. A lot of the changes that they made in this series didn’t really seem to have a point. Some of my favorite parts of this series were scenes that were not in the original cartoon, but the mixing of storylines, timelines and characters to the extent that they did just made it super unenjoyable for me.
Whether taking the liberties they did is good or not for the adaptation, what I will say is that copying the first season line for line never would have worked. They're taking 20 episodes and putting them into 8 longer ones. You can't 1-for-1 that without having some extremely weird cuts between where the original episodes ended and began and having themes for each episode be all over the place.
The adaptation could've been closer to the source material, but it would've been abysmal if they tried to rehash the story line for line, scene for scene.
So glad you’re getting there… more faster, please!! Lol
Next episode imo is the best episode of the live action version
The face stealer gave me the vibes off of THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER the clown! I just don't like clown's 😂❤
I wonder what actually happened on why the creators left. They said its because of creative differences but if you look at whats going on with avatar studios they are constantly canceling things, moving things around and delaying things so its like what actually happened
Love the reactions, and I appreciate the honesty. At the same time I'm afraid I just don't agree with Oak's perspective here (for once). In my opinion the hardest part of these adaptations is that the entire fanbase is so completely split on what they actually want, which means there will likely never be a way to please a majority of the fans. There will always be people that take offense to any additional content created, simply because they glorify the original so much. There are people that wanted a 1 to 1 exact translation, which imo would have been pointless. We've seen how those tend to be received by fans, which is badly (ex: The Lion King). If you want to watch the original, just watch the original.
When people are so hostile toward current attempts to make new content, which was made to give fans *more* of a beloved universe, it ends up shooting down future attempts and creative opportunities. Then when people whine about 'I wish we had more time in this world' it rings hollow, because nothing new will ever be good enough for them anyway. This was clearly created by people doing their best to respect what came before. There are improvements that can be made, because this adaptation obviously wasn't perfect. At the same time, let's not pretend season one of the original didn't have its own flaws. I look forward to see what upcoming seasons bring to the table, and hopefully they can shore up at least some of the weaknesses of the live action. 💙
I'm a huge Avatar fan since my childhood. My take on this season was that I enjoyed the stuff they added but didn't like them blatantly changing stuff. Showing stuff that was only referenced in the original was great but some of the things they changed borderline ruined the show for me. Feel like most of the fans feel this way so hopefully they learn from this in the next 2 seasons
They introduce them earlier because they're kid actors and it takes awhile to film and they age...
Crazy yall post the same time as Blind Wave the reaction channel! lol
Watch Eega movie...like RRR and Bahubali it will never disappoint you
BLUE FLAME!!!