"The only rally car made by bald eagles and apple pie" it was designed by a British bloke, in Britain, and made by British people, doesn't seem all that American to me
Lancia remains one of the most overlooked brands (particularly in the U.S.). The iconic company has created numerous legends, like the Stratos (Not the Dodge Stratus). I know very little about Group B rally cars.... aside from it looking so much more thrilling than America’s NASCAR races. Besides.... Rally race tracks aren’t just oversized ovals/circles. Welcome back Squidd. Thanks for the video.
Add the French twins Citroën and Peugeot because people always say that they're unreliable as f*ck and yet don't know anything about their racing pedigrees in rallying, touring and endurance
@@pointblank6 Yes, but they did not play with the big boys. (And they are still legit to drive on official FIA historic rally events). Those cars didn't play any role in the WRC and they never became banned by the FIA. Not to say that some of them wasn't meant to run in rally races but on tracks, but manufacturers would like to produce the least roadgoing homologation units and the easiest way was to build 200 units for road use within 12 months to fulfill the regulation. For example in the former East Block the Lada VFTS was the top of the rallying and in those countries many racer are still producing replicas for race purposes to participate in national championships or regional or international historic events. The homologation number of that model was the B-222.
6R4 actually stand for 6 cylinder, R for rally and 4 for four wheel drive. I had one of the originals, an MG Metro 6R4 Clubman (only putting out 250bhp and minus the mult-point injection and other trick bits of the works cars) and also worked on the initial marketing of them.
There’s a few models that rallied in Group B that were stunningly cheap as well. A few examples include the Renault 5 Turbo, the Mazda RX-7 FB and the Opel Manta. All of which can be had for well under $100,000 and in the case of the RX-7; under $10,000.
Oooh the greatest rule in all of sports the Homologation rule oooh so many great cars came form that rule from rally cars to nascar RIP Homologation you will be miss 😌
@@alexandersmith7777 man I wish the FIA took it out for environmental reason thinking manufacture wouldnt race anymore I see why but still imagine a 4wd turbo toyota yaris
Yes... After they terminated with Group B, Group A was created (which I believe it would be what we call the WRC standard these days) and Lancia launched the Delta Integrale to fit in. More safety specs and the hp would go "only" up to to 300hp instead of the 450hp of the S4.
The Peugeot is one of my fav rally cars to use in Dirt 4, incredible handling, and the exact amount of power where you want it, and the amazing thing is it looks like someone just threw a bunch of stickers on a grocery getter, I love that! lol
I’m lucky enough to be so old I saw these things in the forests around Nottingham 37 years ago at the RAC; I adore the S4 but the T16 won out by quite a margin and you could hear the bastards two miles away! Six foot tailpipe flames quite normal in those days, night stages were amazing. Look at the old footage, there’s good reason some of the drivers were puffing on fags before the off…
My favorite car is the Peugeot 205 T16, in my opinion the most beautiful hot hatch of Group B. And although not group B, I also like the Renault 5 Turbo.
As for the car. The rs200 would be the car I get. 1 I'm biased towards ford 2. A mid engine with a manual transmission is impressive engineering and 3 an inline 4 pushing 400 hp reliably.
The 037 wasn't only the last rwd champ it was the only rwd car to beat the 4x4 quatro, theres a video a Jeremy Clarckson telling the story on youtube. Definetly worth watching if you haven't seen it.
The 6R4 is my favourite Group B racer. Just look at it haha! After Group B was outlawed 6R4s were sold off in the UK to private rally and rallycross racers. The most famous user of these beasts was a rallycross champ called Will Gallop who used a TWIN TURBO 6R4 putting out 800-900bhp! It actually used a smaller capacity V6 (formerly 3.0 down to 2.3 i believe due to race regs) In fact a lot of former Group B cars were used in rallycross here in the UK in the 80s/90s (RS200s were very popular) I even remember seeing a UK famous RS200 driving on the roads in the UK fast Fords natural homeland, Essex, England (i didnt even realise at the time just what an RS200 was!) The Ford Sierra and Escort Cosworths should be on the Essex flag as they had such a strong following in my county haha!
I guess the rs200 is what became the RS turbo street car. My Dad had one of them, everyone loved them. So much so that it got stolen from a car park when he was half way across the country, the police had to run him home.
It was the 6R4 engine that went into the Jaguar XJ220 supercar with a couple of turbochargers. Because the 6R4 engine had the cubic inches it had lots of engine braking. Amazing sounding thing and much loved by many Brits.
There is a race version of the Lancia Delta S4, it's called the ECV, sounds like a device name but it exists. Remember, if Ferrari didn't made the 288 GTO then we would not have the Ferrari F40 at all.
Personally love the Italians.. The 037 is sweet just cos it's rear wheel drive.... and looks badass.. a Scorpion on steroids! Deltas, however, are my absolute favorite. They're just sexy! S4's, Integrals. Beautiful cars!
Let me get this straight. You cover a bunch of the Group B cars (including the largely forgotten Citreon) but you ignore the Renault R5 Turbo Maxi? One of the fan favorite cars of Group B gets totally ignored? I guess it's your list...
Opel Manta, Renault T5 Turbo II, and the Peugeot T18 are all badass group B cars. Even toyota was in on group B with the AW11. Ferrari was about to get another car involved being the Dino. And IIRC FIAT also had a couple cars involved. I know there was at least one foxbody but it wasn't all too grand. Group B odd ball cars are the best stuff ever.
The Neighbourhood i grew up in had this old big ass farm with stables a block away, we lived right at the border of the city, the owner of this farm had a raceteam and was a collector aswell, when the stable doors were open, we (about 12/13 yo) always peaked around the corner, the guy always told us to come in and would start telling the stories behind the cars and ofcourse we always loved going there, we even could take turns riding in some of his cars when he took them out for a spin, i've had a ride along in de delta integrale evo 2, lotus esprit s4 and ferrari 348 gtb, i guess that's the reason these cars are still along my most favorites now turning almost 40
Many decades later and long after the poster has been removed from my dorm wall in the 80's, the Ford RS200 Evo is still the car that gives me those tingles.
Most group b cars went to rally Cross were the horse power more or less doubled, the pugeout 205 t16 was a 1.8 turbo charged demon and the evo 2 version was probably the best rally car ever built in my opinion. The finn mati alamaki dominated rally cross in his 205t16 evo 2 and after he retired it was reported than his 205 was burnt to a crisp at a hill climb event in Finland, he survived uninjured. Word at that time 87/88/89 was that pugeout would only rent you a t16 evo 2 at a cost of 100,000 stg for11 rallycross rounds and it would take 100,000stg to run the car without any damage being incurred. I was at mondello Park in ireland for the European rallycross at them years and it was spectacular, and remember these cars were 99% mechanical. Looking at six to eight beasts turning into the first right hander was like a breakers yard, I even watched a quattro belonging to Tommy Krisstofferson go up on top of a metro 6r4 whilst still going up the gearbox, never seen anything like this in my life, well that's my 2 pence worth, good vid thanks, note I was writing this for the group b segment when the vid finished and went into this video
If I had to pick one, I'd pick the Citreon, purely for ability to find parts slightly easier. Though in most cases I'd just rice up a more common modern car if I wanted something with crazy aero. I drive like a grandma, and a rally car of any sort would likely be lost on me.
The Porsche 959 was also homologated as Group B car. But my favourite among the mentioned cars is the GTO, as it is beautiful. On the other hand, the Delta S4 looks more aggressive, fitting well to such a beast.
Great video, really enjoyed it, but your research could actually be a little bit better...you left out the best part? You did not mention Martin Skanche, "mr. Rallycross", who was a wizard at building/tuning engines and gearboxes. His tuned rally B cars were really something else. His Ford RS200 could be adjusted to over 800 HP, but he normally used only 650-750HP during races. His RS200 did 0-100kmt in under 2 sec at best, but normally adjusted to just over 2 sec! His car was faster than a formula 1 car, it had better accleration! (No joke) If you want to see the very best cars - check out Martin Skanche. (what he did back then, is banned and not allowed today)
I’m about to sell my CL600 project car to buy a Lancia in Italy for about 4-6000€ and make a replica of the Integrale HF EVO model. Although the S4 road model is pretty nice imo HF integrale and 037 road models are the most beautiful Lancia’s ever built.
I'd love to take a renault r5, a maxi turbo bodykit and a k24 or similar. It would be a nice project car with a rear engine (capable of big numbers) and an 80's style.
A great selection of cars you show here! I have some comments that may be interesting - and yes, I am a huge fan: Ford RS200: “worst power to weight ratio”, “not competitive” In contrary I think the RS200 was very competitive. And we only saw the beginning. The RS200 had a double lead in the Acropolis Rally 86 before retirements. It won the championships of GB, Belgium and Holland. And all that despite you are actually spot on with the bad power to weight ratio…. This may sound complicated, but was a very interesting formula: In WRC we had a minimum weight rule. The larger the engine, the higher the minimum weight to some kind of levelling the competition. Wheel sizes were limited too. This is why the Metro 6R4 had a 3000cc atmospheric engine, it originally had a 2500cc but was too nervous with the small wheels. Turbo chargers were recognised with a x1.4 mulitplier. This is why most groupB cars had an 1800cc engine, plus turbo factor that is the up to 2500cc class. The Ford RS200 inherited the engine of the stillborn 1982 RWD Mk3 Escort RS1700T, which was 1780cc. And just to mention, the Audi Quattro came too early. The 1981 World Champ Talbot was playing with a mid-engined Horizon (Dodge Omni) with RWD and a Lotus Turbo engine. Imagine RWD Escort Mk3 Turbo, Horizon Lotus and Lancia 037 battling it out. The Lancia still won against the Quattro in 1983, but that was the end of the road for 2WD in rallying! The Escort project was cancelled so late that Ford had 200 of these 1780cc Turbo engines lying around since 3 years. For the RS200 these engines were mildly bored up because they were lying around so long that they showed flash rust, resulting in 1803cc. However the RS200 had a complicated 4WD system with double propshaft etc. (Brilliant for weight distribution, but does anyone know another car with 2 propshafts?) Where everybody else tried to lower weight, Ford saw that they could never reach the minimum weight of the 2500cc class. This is why they went the opposite way working on an Evo version with a 2090cc engine for the 3000cc class. The minimum weight for that class was some 100kg higher, but even that was difficult to reach for the RS200. It made perfect sense to use the exisiting engine of the Escort RS1700T for development, but you can see why it had the worst power to weight ratio. The 2.1 Evo version was to debut in the 1987 season, but by that time groupB was banned. I would say the turbo lag applied to all groupB (except supercharged Lancias) and even many groupA cars for they had very big turbos for more top end power. And thank you for not blaming the RS200 for the downfall of groupB. Yes, there was this Portugal crash. But the (heavy) RS200 was quite a robust and save car, the main downfall of groupB really was the Corsica crash with the flimsy Lancia. MG Metro 6R4: 6R4 actually stands for 6-cyl, RALLY, 4WD. The engine was mid mounted, not rear. And it did finish events thereafter, it won a couple of rallies in the British and Europen championships and in the WRC 86 it came 7th in Finland and 6th in GB. But indeed there were many retirements and the car was not as competitive as hoped. The 6R4 has one merit today though, its downfall becoming its asset: When the groupB was banned, groupB without turbo was still allowed in some national rallies. And with the 6R4 being the only 4WD groupB car without turbo, it became a very cherished rally car in years to come. I would say nearly all 200 Metro 6R4 built were converted to rally cars and could still be found today. Peugeot 205 T16: All good and interesting what you say. Only the claim it is the most underrated and least talked about groupB car can only apply to USA, where Peugeot is not well known? Here in Europe I would even say the 205 T16 is the most talked about and most typical groupB car. Besides Peugeot had many other very successful rally projects, i.e. many African successes with the 504, claiming more World Titles with the 206 WRC, dominating the F2 class with the 306 Maxi, etc. Porsche 911 SC RS: “competed in 13 groupB rallies and took 1st in 5 of them.” Sorry, but which rallies would that be? It came in 1984 with only RWD and the Prodrive team entering them mainly started on asphalt Europen championship events. Here it had some success, though still not enough to win titles. In the main category, the WRC, the best result of the Porsche was 3rd in Corsica 1985. Ferrari GTO: This car perfectly shows how famous the groupB was. Ferrari never rallied the GTO, never rallied at all as a works team, never intended to. But there were two tuners that entered Ferraris in WRC rallies, Michelotto and Pozzo. But these were the 308 GTB, still rallied in group4. These cars were even quite good on asphalt, Andruet drove one to 2nd overall on the WRC Tour de Corse 1982. I also remember a funny story how loved the Ferrari was. Charles Pozzo called 1979 World Champ Björn Waldegard if he wanted to drive his car in San Remo 83. The discussion went like that: Waldegard: “Whatever you offer, my answer is No!” - Pozzo: “The car is a Ferrari.” - Waldegard: “Oh, where can I sign?” But why did Ferrari the groupB car then? It was based on the 308 GTB and GTO stands for “GT Omologato”, clear hint to groupB homologation. I think they homologated it too. But it all was because of the fame of groupB, for Ferrari it was a trick to launch a limited production number edition they could sell for a very high price tag.
Citroen BX 4TC: I keep that for last. Maybe that was the most underrated groupB car? OK, many retirements. But 6th in Sweden for an absolute asphalt specialist as a driver (again Andruet) wasn’t that bad. In Acropolis again asphalt specialist Andruet was only 5sec off the pace on one stage and beat later winner Kankkunen on both stages - before Andruet crashed it in stage 3. I must admit though, the layout was a weird one. It had a 2.1L front engine, a layout that Audi already had 5 years earlier. It only would have taken Citroen a look at their company sister Peugeot to see this layout is outdated. That should have been easy to do since Citroen even used a Peugeot engine for their groupB car, it came straight out of a Peugeot 505 Turbo that I think even in USA is known! There are two common misbelieves. A) No, Citroen did not buy the sold cars back again in embarrassment. It simply is not true. So they can still be found. If someone is interested, I even know a place where collectors discuss and market them. B) No, the groupB project was not scrapped because it was bad, but because groupB was cancelled. The early retirements in the Acropolis Rally were a massive disappointment, yes, but this was in fact not the end, Citroen entered two BX 4TC in a French rally only one week before the FIA decision to ban groupB came. So they rallied them beyond Acropolis and until the moment the ban was confirmed. But Citroen has another case why I kept them for last. The BX 4TC was not Citroen’s first groupB car. That was the Citroen Visa 1000 Pistes. I see you try to cover the the top monster groupB supercars with 4x4 here. But the subject also seems to be: “Who wants to buy one”. So maybe it would be an idea to do a part two with “not so top monster” groupB cars? For sure the FIA never invented groupB as group Budget. But to everyone’s surprise at the time Citroen did just that, use groupB for Budget, for allowing amateurs to have a capable car. Citroen used groupB to strip the Visa of everything, replace body panels for plastic and composites, even glass was replaced by plastic, add a very simple 4x4 system. It also had a cheap engine with 1360cc atmospheric and 145HP. Thing is, despite 4WD the car only weighted 850kg and such had a power to weight ratio close to later groupN cars as Mitsubishi Lancer Evo or Subaru Impreza WRX, and the groupB Citroen Visa was still cheaper than these near standard groupN cars! It wouldn’t have been overall winning material against the groupB supercars, but it came 7th o/a in Monte Carlo 1984, Mark Lovell came 12th o/a in the WRC Rally GB 1984 and that was Lovell’s career best result despite turning a works driver in Nissan 240RS, Ford RS200, Ford Sierra Cosworth and Subaru Impreza WRC! And once groupB (with Turbo) was banned, the Visa 1000 Pistes suddenly was good enough for overall victories on national level. And plenty of them have been built. Other groupB cars that were maybe not supercars, but could be interesting for fans of groupB was a selection of RWD cars. If you wish to make a part2…. Mazda Savanna RX7: Someone already mentioned that. Very, very interesting car with its endless revving rotary Wankel engine. But the works team only made 7 of them. A few more may be found an national level and I think Rod Millen entered his national New Zealand example even in the US at times. Opel Manta 400: Very famous actually, worked well in Germany, France and UK as an asphalt car, but nearly won the Safari Rally too. 43 works cars existed and more were built privately, but for all its fame still not cheap to find one. A lot has to do with fame and success. Toyota Celica TC Turbo (TA64): I love square cars, so I love this. Only RWD and heavy, hence they decided for a 2090cc Turbo engine for groupB. Despite RWD the car turned unbeatable on African WRC events as the Safari in Kenya and Bandama in Ivory Coast. And that makes it an expensive collectors item. I know of cases where no costs were saved for just restauring them. Nissan Silvia 240RS: Maybe that is the best buyers recommendation I can give. It also is “only but fun” RWD, it has a relatively easy to maintain 2.4L atmo engine with 275HP, making it the most powerful RWD groupB car except the Toyota. It had even similar performance to the Toyota, it only was less lucky with results. And 200 cars have been built, but in contrast to most other groupB cars these 200 homologation special road cars were easy to be converted to full groupB rally cars. In fact even the works cars were converted from these 200 road cars. Yes, long post, but I hope it was an enjoyable, informative add on to your great video!
The world champion in those years (85 and 86) was the Peugeot 205 Turbo 16, and as you say, it was or is clearly underrated. Being at that time a total success in terms of marketing operation of the French brand to sell its street models. The Audi is always regarded as an example from Gr. B, but it was conceptually a Gr. A vehicle (some should first read the Gr. B regulations), practically a vehicle based on street vehicles, which was already structurally a serious handicap. The engine position (too far forward) was very detrimental to the distribution of weights, what made the car too understeer and not very agile in slow corners, and yes, it was the most powerful (while the others mounted 1.8-liter engines, the Audi was going to 2.2 l., although with a higher minimum weight for this reason, according to the regulations ), but also much less agile as I said before. The Lancia and Ford had a great design, but they came too late, and then the ban on this type of vehicle would come. All these cars reached powers greater than 500 CV in 1986.
Some privateers used the 308 gtb in group 4 rallying and later in group b, but was not meant for it. The Blue one on the picture is actually one of those and not a 288 GTO. The 288 GTO was meant for group b cirquit racing in the form of the 288 GTO evoluzione but it never happened. Also there was a purposebuilt group b rally Ferrari that was never Introduced named 308 GT/M.
While your video is entertaining, there is one mistake and few things forgotten. The 288 gto never raced, it was the 308 gtb which debuted in gr.4 then gr.B with minor additions. Also, if you want more attainable gr.B road cars, have a look at the Citroën Visa 1000 Pistes, the Opel Ascona and Manta 400, or the Daihatsu Charade 926 turbo (which should have become a 926R) and some more.
...and... Though it would likely only be the 4th or 5th choice I'd make of those on this list... IMO, those GTO's are DEFINITELY amongst the most beautiful & meanest looking cars Ferrari ever made!
I came across a Delta parked on the side of the road at a coffee shop in a posh town, surrounded by road cones so everyone knew to keep their distance.
A couple of the RS 200 at the begining were also replica's. The first RS 200 had a Cosworth 1.8 BDT, they then had the BDT in 2.1 built by Brian Hart that put out over 600 bhp.
Hey mister commentator, a comment: - 1983: You said that the Lancia 037 became World Champion. BULL SHIT. That year the Audi Ur Quattro, driver Hannu Mikkola, became World Champion. So, the LAST rear wheel drive car that became World Champion = OPEL ASCONA 400!!! Driver: Walter Röhrl, the BEST driver ever existed on this planet!!!
I've been a subscriber to this channel for over a year now. So seeing this video would've happened anyway. And I get notifications for all the videos you guys post. I just thought the coincidence was weird.
The Citroen BX 4TC is extremely rare, the reason is that Citroen never made the full 200 homologation cars and then were so ashamed of its terrible performance that they bought as many of the Road cars as they could back from the original owners and destroyed them. They did the same with the 20 or so Evolution rally cars and only for an enthusiast within the factory secretly hiding a couple that would later turn up in a lock-up in Paris, there would be none left. I love the story of this car and it’s possibly my favourite GROUP B car despite its terrible track record.
You missed the Renault and Opel. And even though you did show the 1700t it has generated alot of interest over the years as less than 17 are said to be made.
I'm pretty sure Ferrari never had a Group B rally car, actually, you very rarely saw any Ferrari's being rallied! Also, a Group B rally car you've missed out - the Renault 5 MAXI Turbo, and they were Rear Wheel Drive!!
The Ferrari 308 was rallied extensively on tarmac under Group 4 regulations. Group B didn't just apply to rallying. - The Ferrari 288 GTO was built to Group B regulations.
Ford RS200 was designed in and built in England, the chief design team consisted Tony Southgate of F1 design school and Ford UK motorsport legend John Wheeler, even the godlike Gordon Murray was asked to come onboard but was too busy in F1, but he did lay down a design with chalk on the floor in a brief meeting with the UK Ford boys.The car was built offsite by another famous car company called Reliant who built three wheelers. The car was never competitive in Group B due to its late arrival, but went on in other motorsports events where it did quite well, along with the Metro 6R4 that were turbo charged by privateers in rally cross events. Like all Fords in motorsport in Europe they were never nothing to do with the parent company Ford USA, this also includes the legendary Ford GT40 of the 1960's, Escort RS1600/RS2000/Cosworth variants.
The cheapest of them all is Audi Quattro. You looked the price of the short wheelbase model that is crazy expensive, but the first Quattro was based on regular long wheelbase coupe body. Ur-Quattro how it is called in Germany
The picture of crashed Citroen , i think it's about the accident of great driver Ari Vatanen in Peugeot 205, rally Argentina 1985👀 And those who was killed on Lancia S4, great driver Henri "Henkka" Toivonen and co-driver Sergio Cresto🏁 So not just a random guys👍
Fun Fact : In first year of Audi Quattro in WRC ( 1981 ), Audi won only rally Sweden, Sanremo and Lombard RAC Rally. Season was completly dominated by Ferrari of WRC - Ford. ( except strategies ) To be exact : Ari Vatanen was driving in private rally team, Rothmans Rally Team where Ari Vatanen was driving Ford RS1800. This small cute boi looking completly not dangerous. Audi had a lot's of reliability issues ( because it's German engineering, jeez they didn't learn anything from WW2 ) which puttet Audi only on fifth place.
Hey the info is cool but the facts a little skewed. The sport Quattro was a shorted wheelbase and up h/p from the A2. The car shown in this vid is the sport S1which came after the sport. This fire belching mister had excess of 500 bhp on tap and water cooled brakes.
Appreciate the info! We try our best to get it right but we are also just a couple of guys and we gotta make a lot of videos, so sorry about mixing it up!
Mazda Rx7 MK1 Savanna go for ridiculously low around here. First gen rx7 has been homologated for Group B (B-255). It even scored a 3rd place in Rally Acropolis 1985!!
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"The only rally car made by bald eagles and apple pie" it was designed by a British bloke, in Britain, and made by British people, doesn't seem all that American to me
That's what I thought. Even though Ford is American, most of the most famous cars are Ford Europe and Ford Britain.
nice to see the yanks taking credit for the things the brits do again
@@andrewburgen1 Check season 1979 :) And 1981 Driver Championship :D
@@miguelfreitas1991 Didn't they win the battle of Britain? 😉😂
Bald eagle and RHD cars go hand in hand
imagine the faces of your neighbours when you come back home with a flame spitting rally car
My neighbors are all over 70 I may cause a heart attack.
The street car isn't a rally car and probably won't spit flames. You can get performance street cars to spit flames.
My neighbors would be like what did you get this time
Who cares what a neighbour thinks? Posers....
They'd correctly think "money pit".
Lancia remains one of the most overlooked brands (particularly in the U.S.). The iconic company has created numerous legends, like the Stratos (Not the Dodge Stratus). I know very little about Group B rally cars.... aside from it looking so much more thrilling than America’s NASCAR races. Besides.... Rally race tracks aren’t just oversized ovals/circles. Welcome back Squidd. Thanks for the video.
I want a Stratos so bad! Even the LB Specialist STR replica. Much cheaper. Thanks Kellington!
You gotta love the insane looks of the the Stratos ... even as a “Hot Wheels” (is it plural?).
@@IdealMediaChannel only correct answer is I wAnt the Delta S4... Jk. Love the stratos too
Add the French twins Citroën and Peugeot because people always say that they're unreliable as f*ck and yet don't know anything about their racing pedigrees in rallying, touring and endurance
Lets not forget the absolute shit the produced the past 30 years. Surprised they didn't go bankrupt like 20years ago
I didn't saw the Renault 5 Turbo (Maxi) . 😢
Legendary.
Also bmw m1
quite a few were missed. Opel Manta, Toyota Celica, nissan silvia, mazda rx7, mitsubishi starion and more.
@@pointblank6 Yes, but they did not play with the big boys. (And they are still legit to drive on official FIA historic rally events). Those cars didn't play any role in the WRC and they never became banned by the FIA. Not to say that some of them wasn't meant to run in rally races but on tracks, but manufacturers would like to produce the least roadgoing homologation units and the easiest way was to build 200 units for road use within 12 months to fulfill the regulation.
For example in the former East Block the Lada VFTS was the top of the rallying and in those countries many racer are still producing replicas for race purposes to participate in national championships or regional or international historic events. The homologation number of that model was the B-222.
Mi16?
@@CherylCold not Mi16, T16. It was mentioned. 👍
When you bought a Group B racing car, two things I need to point out:
1. Mantainance
2. Your wallet
If you could understand that, you're good.
6R4 actually stand for 6 cylinder, R for rally and 4 for four wheel drive. I had one of the originals, an MG Metro 6R4 Clubman (only putting out 250bhp and minus the mult-point injection and other trick bits of the works cars) and also worked on the initial marketing of them.
That's awesome Peter!
There’s a few models that rallied in Group B that were stunningly cheap as well.
A few examples include the Renault 5 Turbo, the Mazda RX-7 FB and the Opel Manta. All of which can be had for well under $100,000 and in the case of the RX-7; under $10,000.
Can you imagine pulling up with an Opel Manta with the HEAT FOR HIRE livery? :D
@@nightowlrally bruhhhhhhhhh SICK
I had a Chevette HSR but wanted a Manta 400. Alas beyond my bank balance.
Audi and Lancia: Fight for the championship
Peugeot: Bonjour
Me: *Sees title* Yayyy😏
Me after the first car: *I don’t think you know my budget very well*
Much love, your friends at Rev Media!!
We're saying you CAN buy them, not that you CAN afford them haha.
Ideal Media 😭😂
@@revmedia8108 jesus, I remember your channel, you had like 16 videos when I came across it in a comments section, wow, congo on the growth
It sucks how group b doesn't exist today
But we have to be thankful that it even existed at all
Ayy squidy I missed you 😂
Oooh the greatest rule in all of sports the Homologation rule oooh so many great cars came form that rule from rally cars to nascar RIP Homologation you will be miss 😌
They need to bring that rule back ot would so cool
@@alexandersmith7777 man I wish the FIA took it out for environmental reason thinking manufacture wouldnt race anymore I see why but still imagine a 4wd turbo toyota yaris
@@Flysky34 You mean the Toyota Yaris GR?
I was waiting for Lancia Delta Integrale but I got Rick rolled
Yep I think Avia is correct.
@@IdealMediaChannel lol noice
It was a group A modified version of the group B car i think
Yes... After they terminated with Group B, Group A was created (which I believe it would be what we call the WRC standard these days) and Lancia launched the Delta Integrale to fit in. More safety specs and the hp would go "only" up to to 300hp instead of the 450hp of the S4.
@@Leppymusic Group A was around in the group b era, but they replaced them as the top class in rally in 1987.
The RS200 replica shown at 1:50 now resides in my garage here in Canada :)
Good for you! ;)
What's under the hood, if I may ask?
@@fastcargtv6 it has a 200 block Cosworth motor pushing a modest 275HP, if you want to see more of it go to my Instagram account @westsidewnaker
Im pretty sure the S4 was the most powerful rally car, Markku Alén said that it had like +600hp!
The 205 turbo and the 037 are my favourites❤️I think they are the best looking of them all
The Peugeot is one of my fav rally cars to use in Dirt 4, incredible handling, and the exact amount of power where you want it, and the amazing thing is it looks like someone just threw a bunch of stickers on a grocery getter, I love that! lol
I’m lucky enough to be so old I saw these things in the forests around Nottingham 37 years ago at the RAC; I adore the S4 but the T16 won out by quite a margin and you could hear the bastards two miles away!
Six foot tailpipe flames quite normal in those days, night stages were amazing.
Look at the old footage, there’s good reason some of the drivers were puffing on fags before the off…
My favorite car is the Peugeot 205 T16, in my opinion the most beautiful hot hatch of Group B. And although not group B, I also like the Renault 5 Turbo.
Love the forgotten R5 Turbos. The top variants are bad ass!!!!
Renault 5 Turbo is also a Group B car.
The Renault 5 MAXI Turbo WAS Group B, and it WAS Rear Wheel Drive!!
As for the car. The rs200 would be the car I get. 1 I'm biased towards ford 2. A mid engine with a manual transmission is impressive engineering and 3 an inline 4 pushing 400 hp reliably.
Back during my college years, there was a guy driving a brown Renault 5 Turbo 2 with a California plate "GROUP B" up in the Berkeley hills.
The 288 GTO was one of three posters in my bedroom wall in the 80s. Along with the Lamborghini Countach and a Slantnose Porsche 930.
Definitely the Sport Quattro if I could maybe like a barn find
probably wont happen
You can still find base model Quatros but dont expect turbo ones
I would pick the audi quatrro
You can find the long wheel base one with 20V for 90k
Too bad the sport quattro is half a million pounds these days
The 037 wasn't only the last rwd champ it was the only rwd car to beat the 4x4 quatro, theres a video a Jeremy Clarckson telling the story on youtube. Definetly worth watching if you haven't seen it.
The 037 and Walter Rohl are legendary 🙌
The 6R4 is my favourite Group B racer. Just look at it haha! After Group B was outlawed 6R4s were sold off in the UK to private rally and rallycross racers. The most famous user of these beasts was a rallycross champ called Will Gallop who used a TWIN TURBO 6R4 putting out 800-900bhp! It actually used a smaller capacity V6 (formerly 3.0 down to 2.3 i believe due to race regs) In fact a lot of former Group B cars were used in rallycross here in the UK in the 80s/90s (RS200s were very popular) I even remember seeing a UK famous RS200 driving on the roads in the UK fast Fords natural homeland, Essex, England (i didnt even realise at the time just what an RS200 was!) The Ford Sierra and Escort Cosworths should be on the Essex flag as they had such a strong following in my county haha!
Love it, old cars from my youth. The 205 1.9 GTI was a great road car.
Them ford rs200s are not American
that's whati thought too, aren't they brittish?
i dont wanna be that guy whos toxic, but it winds me up when americans take credit for british made fords like the focus and escort
I guess the rs200 is what became the RS turbo street car. My Dad had one of them, everyone loved them. So much so that it got stolen from a car park when he was half way across the country, the police had to run him home.
@@kirby1225 correct , they were made by ford europe , for example the aussie ford falcon is not a american even tho its still a ford
@@chrissmith2034 ummmm ford is American?
It was the 6R4 engine that went into the Jaguar XJ220 supercar with a couple of turbochargers. Because the 6R4 engine had the cubic inches it had lots of engine braking. Amazing sounding thing and much loved by many Brits.
Martin Schanke did pretty well with the Ford RS200, unbeatable after some engine tuning, more like 800-1000 hp.
Aye, I'm pretty sure those were the bhp numbers before the 2.2-3 bar of boost pressure
Anything with Quatro is bad ass🔥🔥🔥
Especially quattro formaggi
There is a race version of the Lancia Delta S4, it's called the ECV, sounds like a device name but it exists. Remember, if Ferrari didn't made the 288 GTO then we would not have the Ferrari F40 at all.
037 for the win. Just perfection
Personally love the Italians.. The 037 is sweet just cos it's rear wheel drive.... and looks badass.. a Scorpion on steroids! Deltas, however, are my absolute favorite. They're just sexy! S4's, Integrals. Beautiful cars!
Let me get this straight. You cover a bunch of the Group B cars (including the largely forgotten Citreon) but you ignore the Renault R5 Turbo Maxi? One of the fan favorite cars of Group B gets totally ignored? I guess it's your list...
European rally fan here...all great Group B cars however...the Audi Quattro was a game changer, put simply it was untouchable in the 80s.
rs200 evo 2 was quite a bit faster than this one. maybe too fast because they crashed alot
Heavy and hard to steer.
I must not love Group B as much as I thought cuz I've never heard of the Citroen BX 4TC.
Also because you didn’t know that Mazda raced as well with a RX7 rotary
Citreon BX was already a bad car to start with and the RX7 is way too slow to compete
Me either
because they never did anything to be spoken about lol
group B ralley : **exists**
lancia stratos : *Allow me to introduce my self*
Lol the Stratos was already a dead fish
@@hybridShinx exactly
Lancia Stratos never been homologated for Group B (see my comment above)
Opel Manta, Renault T5 Turbo II, and the Peugeot T18 are all badass group B cars. Even toyota was in on group B with the AW11. Ferrari was about to get another car involved being the Dino. And IIRC FIAT also had a couple cars involved. I know there was at least one foxbody but it wasn't all too grand. Group B odd ball cars are the best stuff ever.
my favorite is the 037
Just to let you know that Ferrari were in group B with the « 308 » not the 288GTO. !
I'm a Lancia fanboy so I'd go Delta S4 all the way.
The Neighbourhood i grew up in had this old big ass farm with stables a block away, we lived right at the border of the city, the owner of this farm had a raceteam and was a collector aswell, when the stable doors were open, we (about 12/13 yo) always peaked around the corner, the guy always told us to come in and would start telling the stories behind the cars and ofcourse we always loved going there, we even could take turns riding in some of his cars when he took them out for a spin, i've had a ride along in de delta integrale evo 2, lotus esprit s4 and ferrari 348 gtb, i guess that's the reason these cars are still along my most favorites now turning almost 40
Many decades later and long after the poster has been removed from my dorm wall in the 80's, the Ford RS200 Evo is still the car that gives me those tingles.
Most group b cars went to rally Cross were the horse power more or less doubled, the pugeout 205 t16 was a 1.8 turbo charged demon and the evo 2 version was probably the best rally car ever built in my opinion. The finn mati alamaki dominated rally cross in his 205t16 evo 2 and after he retired it was reported than his 205 was burnt to a crisp at a hill climb event in Finland, he survived uninjured. Word at that time 87/88/89 was that pugeout would only rent you a t16 evo 2 at a cost of 100,000 stg for11 rallycross rounds and it would take 100,000stg to run the car without any damage being incurred. I was at mondello Park in ireland for the European rallycross at them years and it was spectacular, and remember these cars were 99% mechanical. Looking at six to eight beasts turning into the first right hander was like a breakers yard, I even watched a quattro belonging to Tommy Krisstofferson go up on top of a metro 6r4 whilst still going up the gearbox, never seen anything like this in my life, well that's my 2 pence worth, good vid thanks, note I was writing this for the group b segment when the vid finished and went into this video
I like the MG Metro 6R4, sounds so cool.
If I had to pick one, I'd pick the Citreon, purely for ability to find parts slightly easier.
Though in most cases I'd just rice up a more common modern car if I wanted something with crazy aero. I drive like a grandma, and a rally car of any sort would likely be lost on me.
I own a Lancia 037 replica and it’s a beast
to me the craziest thing about group b was that more people didn't die in the crowd
The Porsche 959 was also homologated as Group B car. But my favourite among the mentioned cars is the GTO, as it is beautiful. On the other hand, the Delta S4 looks more aggressive, fitting well to such a beast.
The Porsche 959 never got to group B sadly, but won Dakar.
@@frawzch.048 wow, didn't know it won dakar
Great video, really enjoyed it, but your research could actually be a little bit better...you left out the best part?
You did not mention Martin Skanche, "mr. Rallycross", who was a wizard at building/tuning engines and gearboxes.
His tuned rally B cars were really something else. His Ford RS200 could be adjusted to over 800 HP, but he normally used only 650-750HP during races. His RS200 did 0-100kmt in under 2 sec at best, but normally adjusted to just over 2 sec! His car was faster than a formula 1 car, it had better accleration! (No joke)
If you want to see the very best cars - check out Martin Skanche. (what he did back then, is banned and not allowed today)
I’m about to sell my CL600 project car to buy a Lancia in Italy for about 4-6000€ and make a replica of the Integrale HF EVO model. Although the S4 road model is pretty nice imo HF integrale and 037 road models are the most beautiful Lancia’s ever built.
Metro 6R4, RS200 replica, and possibly a Renault Maxi Turbo. Saw a footage of it on Corsica and I was hooked.
"group B cars you can buy"
all group B cars you can buy. if you can't then its not a rally car
I'd love to take a renault r5, a maxi turbo bodykit and a k24 or similar. It would be a nice project car with a rear engine (capable of big numbers) and an 80's style.
A great selection of cars you show here!
I have some comments that may be interesting - and yes, I am a huge fan:
Ford RS200: “worst power to weight ratio”, “not competitive”
In contrary I think the RS200 was very competitive. And we only saw the beginning. The RS200 had a double lead in the Acropolis Rally 86 before retirements. It won the championships of GB, Belgium and Holland. And all that despite you are actually spot on with the bad power to weight ratio….
This may sound complicated, but was a very interesting formula: In WRC we had a minimum weight rule. The larger the engine, the higher the minimum weight to some kind of levelling the competition. Wheel sizes were limited too. This is why the Metro 6R4 had a 3000cc atmospheric engine, it originally had a 2500cc but was too nervous with the small wheels. Turbo chargers were recognised with a x1.4 mulitplier. This is why most groupB cars had an 1800cc engine, plus turbo factor that is the up to 2500cc class.
The Ford RS200 inherited the engine of the stillborn 1982 RWD Mk3 Escort RS1700T, which was 1780cc. And just to mention, the Audi Quattro came too early. The 1981 World Champ Talbot was playing with a mid-engined Horizon (Dodge Omni) with RWD and a Lotus Turbo engine. Imagine RWD Escort Mk3 Turbo, Horizon Lotus and Lancia 037 battling it out. The Lancia still won against the Quattro in 1983, but that was the end of the road for 2WD in rallying!
The Escort project was cancelled so late that Ford had 200 of these 1780cc Turbo engines lying around since 3 years. For the RS200 these engines were mildly bored up because they were lying around so long that they showed flash rust, resulting in 1803cc. However the RS200 had a complicated 4WD system with double propshaft etc. (Brilliant for weight distribution, but does anyone know another car with 2 propshafts?) Where everybody else tried to lower weight, Ford saw that they could never reach the minimum weight of the 2500cc class. This is why they went the opposite way working on an Evo version with a 2090cc engine for the 3000cc class. The minimum weight for that class was some 100kg higher, but even that was difficult to reach for the RS200. It made perfect sense to use the exisiting engine of the Escort RS1700T for development, but you can see why it had the worst power to weight ratio. The 2.1 Evo version was to debut in the 1987 season, but by that time groupB was banned.
I would say the turbo lag applied to all groupB (except supercharged Lancias) and even many groupA cars for they had very big turbos for more top end power.
And thank you for not blaming the RS200 for the downfall of groupB. Yes, there was this Portugal crash. But the (heavy) RS200 was quite a robust and save car, the main downfall of groupB really was the Corsica crash with the flimsy Lancia.
MG Metro 6R4:
6R4 actually stands for 6-cyl, RALLY, 4WD. The engine was mid mounted, not rear. And it did finish events thereafter, it won a couple of rallies in the British and Europen championships and in the WRC 86 it came 7th in Finland and 6th in GB. But indeed there were many retirements and the car was not as competitive as hoped.
The 6R4 has one merit today though, its downfall becoming its asset: When the groupB was banned, groupB without turbo was still allowed in some national rallies. And with the 6R4 being the only 4WD groupB car without turbo, it became a very cherished rally car in years to come. I would say nearly all 200 Metro 6R4 built were converted to rally cars and could still be found today.
Peugeot 205 T16:
All good and interesting what you say. Only the claim it is the most underrated and least talked about groupB car can only apply to USA, where Peugeot is not well known? Here in Europe I would even say the 205 T16 is the most talked about and most typical groupB car. Besides Peugeot had many other very successful rally projects, i.e. many African successes with the 504, claiming more World Titles with the 206 WRC, dominating the F2 class with the 306 Maxi, etc.
Porsche 911 SC RS: “competed in 13 groupB rallies and took 1st in 5 of them.”
Sorry, but which rallies would that be? It came in 1984 with only RWD and the Prodrive team entering them mainly started on asphalt Europen championship events. Here it had some success, though still not enough to win titles. In the main category, the WRC, the best result of the Porsche was 3rd in Corsica 1985.
Ferrari GTO:
This car perfectly shows how famous the groupB was. Ferrari never rallied the GTO, never rallied at all as a works team, never intended to. But there were two tuners that entered Ferraris in WRC rallies, Michelotto and Pozzo. But these were the 308 GTB, still rallied in group4. These cars were even quite good on asphalt, Andruet drove one to 2nd overall on the WRC Tour de Corse 1982. I also remember a funny story how loved the Ferrari was. Charles Pozzo called 1979 World Champ Björn Waldegard if he wanted to drive his car in San Remo 83. The discussion went like that: Waldegard: “Whatever you offer, my answer is No!” - Pozzo: “The car is a Ferrari.” - Waldegard: “Oh, where can I sign?”
But why did Ferrari the groupB car then? It was based on the 308 GTB and GTO stands for “GT Omologato”, clear hint to groupB homologation. I think they homologated it too. But it all was because of the fame of groupB, for Ferrari it was a trick to launch a limited production number edition they could sell for a very high price tag.
Citroen BX 4TC:
I keep that for last. Maybe that was the most underrated groupB car? OK, many retirements. But 6th in Sweden for an absolute asphalt specialist as a driver (again Andruet) wasn’t that bad. In Acropolis again asphalt specialist Andruet was only 5sec off the pace on one stage and beat later winner Kankkunen on both stages - before Andruet crashed it in stage 3.
I must admit though, the layout was a weird one. It had a 2.1L front engine, a layout that Audi already had 5 years earlier. It only would have taken Citroen a look at their company sister Peugeot to see this layout is outdated. That should have been easy to do since Citroen even used a Peugeot engine for their groupB car, it came straight out of a Peugeot 505 Turbo that I think even in USA is known!
There are two common misbelieves. A) No, Citroen did not buy the sold cars back again in embarrassment. It simply is not true. So they can still be found. If someone is interested, I even know a place where collectors discuss and market them. B) No, the groupB project was not scrapped because it was bad, but because groupB was cancelled. The early retirements in the Acropolis Rally were a massive disappointment, yes, but this was in fact not the end, Citroen entered two BX 4TC in a French rally only one week before the FIA decision to ban groupB came. So they rallied them beyond Acropolis and until the moment the ban was confirmed.
But Citroen has another case why I kept them for last. The BX 4TC was not Citroen’s first groupB car. That was the Citroen Visa 1000 Pistes.
I see you try to cover the the top monster groupB supercars with 4x4 here.
But the subject also seems to be: “Who wants to buy one”. So maybe it would be an idea to do a part two with “not so top monster” groupB cars?
For sure the FIA never invented groupB as group Budget. But to everyone’s surprise at the time Citroen did just that, use groupB for Budget, for allowing amateurs to have a capable car.
Citroen used groupB to strip the Visa of everything, replace body panels for plastic and composites, even glass was replaced by plastic, add a very simple 4x4 system. It also had a cheap engine with 1360cc atmospheric and 145HP. Thing is, despite 4WD the car only weighted 850kg and such had a power to weight ratio close to later groupN cars as Mitsubishi Lancer Evo or Subaru Impreza WRX, and the groupB Citroen Visa was still cheaper than these near standard groupN cars! It wouldn’t have been overall winning material against the groupB supercars, but it came 7th o/a in Monte Carlo 1984, Mark Lovell came 12th o/a in the WRC Rally GB 1984 and that was Lovell’s career best result despite turning a works driver in Nissan 240RS, Ford RS200, Ford Sierra Cosworth and Subaru Impreza WRC! And once groupB (with Turbo) was banned, the Visa 1000 Pistes suddenly was good enough for overall victories on national level. And plenty of them have been built.
Other groupB cars that were maybe not supercars, but could be interesting for fans of groupB was a selection of RWD cars. If you wish to make a part2….
Mazda Savanna RX7:
Someone already mentioned that. Very, very interesting car with its endless revving rotary Wankel engine. But the works team only made 7 of them. A few more may be found an national level and I think Rod Millen entered his national New Zealand example even in the US at times.
Opel Manta 400:
Very famous actually, worked well in Germany, France and UK as an asphalt car, but nearly won the Safari Rally too. 43 works cars existed and more were built privately, but for all its fame still not cheap to find one.
A lot has to do with fame and success.
Toyota Celica TC Turbo (TA64):
I love square cars, so I love this. Only RWD and heavy, hence they decided for a 2090cc Turbo engine for groupB. Despite RWD the car turned unbeatable on African WRC events as the Safari in Kenya and Bandama in Ivory Coast. And that makes it an expensive collectors item. I know of cases where no costs were saved for just restauring them.
Nissan Silvia 240RS:
Maybe that is the best buyers recommendation I can give. It also is “only but fun” RWD, it has a relatively easy to maintain 2.4L atmo engine with 275HP, making it the most powerful RWD groupB car except the Toyota. It had even similar performance to the Toyota, it only was less lucky with results. And 200 cars have been built, but in contrast to most other groupB cars these 200 homologation special road cars were easy to be converted to full groupB rally cars. In fact even the works cars were converted from these 200 road cars.
Yes, long post, but I hope it was an enjoyable, informative add on to your great video!
The world champion in those years (85 and 86) was the Peugeot 205 Turbo 16, and as you say, it was or is clearly underrated. Being at that time a total success in terms of marketing operation of the French brand to sell its street models.
The Audi is always regarded as an example from Gr. B, but it was conceptually a Gr. A vehicle (some should first read the Gr. B regulations), practically a vehicle based on street vehicles, which was already structurally a serious handicap. The engine position (too far forward) was very detrimental to the distribution of weights, what made the car too understeer and not very agile in slow corners, and yes, it was the most powerful (while the others mounted 1.8-liter engines, the Audi was going to 2.2 l., although with a higher minimum weight for this reason, according to the regulations ), but also much less agile as I said before.
The Lancia and Ford had a great design, but they came too late, and then the ban on this type of vehicle would come.
All these cars reached powers greater than 500 CV in 1986.
The 205 rally car was never underrated ever.
Some cars. Never knew Ferrari did a rally car.
They did but total disaster
Some privateers used the 308 gtb in group 4 rallying and later in group b, but was not meant for it. The Blue one on the picture is actually one of those and not a 288 GTO. The 288 GTO was meant for group b cirquit racing in the form of the 288 GTO evoluzione but it never happened. Also there was a purposebuilt group b rally Ferrari that was never Introduced named 308 GT/M.
Some fact checking is in order for the Ferrari piece.
While your video is entertaining, there is one mistake and few things forgotten.
The 288 gto never raced, it was the 308 gtb which debuted in gr.4 then gr.B with minor additions.
Also, if you want more attainable gr.B road cars, have a look at the Citroën Visa 1000 Pistes, the Opel Ascona and Manta 400, or the Daihatsu Charade 926 turbo (which should have become a 926R) and some more.
The Ford rs200 has been my dream car for awhile
...and...
Though it would likely only be the 4th or 5th choice I'd make of those on this list... IMO, those GTO's are DEFINITELY amongst the most beautiful & meanest looking cars Ferrari ever made!
I came across a Delta parked on the side of the road at a coffee shop in a posh town, surrounded by road cones so everyone knew to keep their distance.
The Group B I want is the Renault 5 Maxi Turbo.
A couple of the RS 200 at the begining were also replica's. The first RS 200 had a Cosworth 1.8 BDT, they then had the BDT in 2.1 built by Brian Hart that put out over 600 bhp.
Hey mister commentator, a comment:
- 1983:
You said that the Lancia 037 became World Champion.
BULL SHIT.
That year the Audi Ur Quattro, driver Hannu Mikkola, became World Champion.
So, the LAST rear wheel drive car that became World Champion = OPEL ASCONA 400!!!
Driver: Walter Röhrl, the BEST driver ever existed on this planet!!!
Literally I was looking at Group b because of the ford rs200 yesterday. And today this video is uploaded...are you guys working with the nsa? Jk
It's funny we get a lot of comments like this, so RUclips KNOWS you were looking at Group B, so it recommend us to you. It's weird how that works.
I've been a subscriber to this channel for over a year now. So seeing this video would've happened anyway. And I get notifications for all the videos you guys post. I just thought the coincidence was weird.
The Citroen BX 4TC is extremely rare, the reason is that Citroen never made the full 200 homologation cars and then were so ashamed of its terrible performance that they bought as many of the Road cars as they could back from the original owners and destroyed them. They did the same with the 20 or so Evolution rally cars and only for an enthusiast within the factory secretly hiding a couple that would later turn up in a lock-up in Paris, there would be none left. I love the story of this car and it’s possibly my favourite GROUP B car despite its terrible track record.
You missed the Renault and Opel.
And even though you did show the 1700t it has generated alot of interest over the years as less than 17 are said to be made.
Back in 2000 there was an RS200 for sale in Portland Oregon for $92k.
Worked on a genuine RS200 back in the 90s
Lancia is the manufacturer with the most wins in the WRC: 11 world Championship for Manufacturers, with 6 consecutives.
should look at UK 80's rallycross. that MK3 escort ended up with permanent 4wd and between 450-700 wheel hp depending on track and wether.
I honestly would love to have a group b car
Well, you could by an Opel Acona 400, the car that beat the Ur-Quattro in 1982.
288 GTO was a precursor to the F40, which can clearly be seen in the interim Evoluzione model.
nice video
Lancia....... Stratos....... All I would ever need in a race car.😁
Meeee toooooo. Just to find a nice bank to rob🙃🙃🙃
nice vid bro
Bring back Group B, Bring back the good old days. Great video 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Henry Toivonen RIP
Delta s4 special place in my heart
6r4 is 1 of my fav group b cars
I'm surprised to not see the opel manta 400 man. Beautiful car
288 gto is my dream car 😍
I'm pretty sure Ferrari never had a Group B rally car, actually, you very rarely saw any Ferrari's being rallied! Also, a Group B rally car you've missed out - the Renault 5 MAXI Turbo, and they were Rear Wheel Drive!!
The Ferrari 308 was rallied extensively on tarmac under Group 4 regulations.
Group B didn't just apply to rallying. - The Ferrari 288 GTO was built to Group B regulations.
Ford RS200 was designed in and built in England, the chief design team consisted Tony Southgate of F1 design school and Ford UK motorsport legend John Wheeler, even the godlike Gordon Murray was asked to come onboard but was too busy in F1, but he did lay down a design with chalk on the floor in a brief meeting with the UK Ford boys.The car was built offsite by another famous car company called Reliant who built three wheelers. The car was never competitive in Group B due to its late arrival, but went on in other motorsports events where it did quite well, along with the Metro 6R4 that were turbo charged by privateers in rally cross events. Like all Fords in motorsport in Europe they were never nothing to do with the parent company Ford USA, this also includes the legendary Ford GT40 of the 1960's, Escort RS1600/RS2000/Cosworth variants.
The cheapest of them all is Audi Quattro. You looked the price of the short wheelbase model that is crazy expensive, but the first Quattro was based on regular long wheelbase coupe body. Ur-Quattro how it is called in Germany
The RS200 had a 600hp road version tho but its a pain in the ass to work on it
The picture of crashed Citroen , i think it's about the accident of great driver Ari Vatanen in Peugeot 205, rally Argentina 1985👀 And those who was killed on Lancia S4, great driver Henri "Henkka" Toivonen and co-driver Sergio Cresto🏁 So not just a random guys👍
Fiat 131 Abarth is probably my favorite rally car
The terrible accident of the Lancia Delta S4 happened at the Monte-Carlo rally (Corse tour 1986), and the pilot was Henri Toivonen
U forgot about the R5 it is probably one of the most cheapest ones beside the delta evo 2 both can be picked up for around 100000$ still expensive tho
Fun Fact : In first year of Audi Quattro in WRC ( 1981 ), Audi won only rally Sweden, Sanremo and Lombard RAC Rally.
Season was completly dominated by Ferrari of WRC - Ford. ( except strategies )
To be exact : Ari Vatanen was driving in private rally team, Rothmans Rally Team where Ari Vatanen was driving Ford RS1800.
This small cute boi looking completly not dangerous.
Audi had a lot's of reliability issues ( because it's German engineering, jeez they didn't learn anything from WW2 ) which puttet Audi only on fifth place.
Hey the info is cool but the facts a little skewed. The sport Quattro was a shorted wheelbase and up h/p from the A2. The car shown in this vid is the sport S1which came after the sport. This fire belching mister had excess of 500 bhp on tap and water cooled brakes.
Appreciate the info! We try our best to get it right but we are also just a couple of guys and we gotta make a lot of videos, so sorry about mixing it up!
4:48, me getting the quattro for free in GTA V... 😁
I’d definitely pick the lancia 037. Just love them they were absolute beasts on the gravel (just couldn’t quite keep up with the all wheel drives!)
An S1 E2 Audi Quattro that was raced in a WRC race is going for $3M at Sothebys nowadays
Buddy, the MG Metro 6R4 is the fight club of Group B, don’t spoil the fun for us. If you know, you know
Mazda Rx7 MK1 Savanna go for ridiculously low around here.
First gen rx7 has been homologated for Group B (B-255). It even scored a 3rd place in Rally Acropolis 1985!!