Hi Greg, Bruce is just demonstrating how to light the torch. In all of the many different configurations we carry the torch you will need some type of regulator and in cases where you will be using larger non-disposable tanks, we recommend using flashback arrestors. I hope this is of some help. Mark N Tech
Just received my new little torch..after using the older one for 10 yrs…tried all day to get going on it, but as soon as I add the oxy, it puts the flame out..maybe starting with the small gas flame is the change I need ..will try tomorrow..thank you for the help
Hello, we wanted to follow up here just in case you needed the assistance. We spoke with our Tech Team and they said to make sure to use the correct PSI for the oxygen and fuel that is provided in the owners manual. Also new valves are much touchier than older valves, so you will need to be very careful and slowly open the oxygen valve to introduce oxygen into the flame. We hope this infromation is helpufl and feel free to reach out if you have any other questions.
@@RioGrande1944 all is well…problem was 3 defective oxy tanks from same store…bought another from different store ..same brand of tank..NOW MY NEW TORCH WORKS PERFECTLY ON THE FIRST TRY…..DONT KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO WITHOUT MY SMITH LITTLE TORCH..THANK YOU AGAIN!!!
@@jennifers6435 hey Jennifer S- was it the "Bernzomatic" brand red 1.4 ounce oxygen cylinder that was giving you trouble? Did it simply blow the flame off contact with the tip, and/ or just blow the gas flame out as you were easing into the oxygen? I have a couple of the Bernzomatic/ Worthington oxygen that I bought that I believe are full of something other than pure oxygen, because it blows the flame out no matter what I do, and different disposable oxygen cylinders that I have work just fine. I don't know how I could find out what exactly is in the bad ones without purchasing a super expensive gas analyzer, so I could return them to Lowes and get my 24$ back! The only identification numbers I can find are stamped into the bottom of the tank and are:"W8X01". Whatever that means. If you happen to see this and reply, thank you, and take care!
Mark- I have never heard about the corresponding numbers before! I've been using a little torch for years but keep hearing differing suggestions. Thanks for the info! I have another question unrelated to this topic- is there somewhere you can be reached on the web?
Question about the flames you are showing...I thought we were supposed to have a little tip of yellow at the end of the blue flame. My brother always tells me there has to be a little tip (point) of yellow at the very end of the flame, and that is where the flame is the hottest and that is the part that is supposed to touch the pieces you are trying to solder. That is how I've been doing it, but is that the wrong way? Please tell me when you get a chance. I really feel like I'm doing so many things wrong when I watch these videos.
Hi there, I just purchased my smith little torch with oxygen/propane disposable tanks (For now), and when I'm trying to light it, it is producing a big flame that almost seems to spit back at me. I'm using a tip 4, and I tried lighting using an open flame on candle as well as a strike ignitor and it did the same thing for both. I tried tightening the tip with a wrench, checked for leaks elsewhere and I don't understand why I can't get it to light. I followed all of your instructions. Do you know whats going on?
i have the same set-up, i use the #4 tip also. I turn on the gas + air very low to start and adjust from there,when i first got the torch i had problems also, just try different things until u find the right combo.
Hi Kristober, I’m not sure what a hho generator is, but we use the little torch with our oxygen generator all the time. We even sell the two together. I hope this helps. Mark N Tech
"HHO" is a crackpot term for oxyhydrogen. It's used by people who think they can use water to power cars or to increase fuel efficiency by dumping oxyhydrogen into the engine chamber, and they make it by wasting alternator's electricity on electrolysis onboard. It's a pseudoscientific and hilarious endeavour that spawned many scammers selling this to uneducated and gullible people.
I have a warehouse that needs to solder brass fittings together that works off of 2psi natural gas pressure will your product have a large enough tip to solder efficiently under that low pressure? the manual states that i can only use a #2 tip with that pressure but the #2 tip is not rated for city natural gas. any recommendations?
I have a disposal cylinders and preset regulators. Every time it is blowing the flame out from the candle. I only open it 1/4 (fuel) after I bleed the lines b4 anything. I even got a new torch and regulator because I thought something was wrong but it's doing the same thing. I cannot seem to figure out why its not lighting. I've used a candle and stricker and in the stricker the flame comes and goes out but tip still not lit. Please any suggestions. Regulators are open all the way because I do have preset regs as stated .
Hi Debra, Thanks for watching. Sounds like there could be several things happening here. Our Jewelry Tech Team would be happy to help troubleshoot with you in person. They can be reached at 800-545-6566 ( just as for the Jewelry Tech Team) or our Live Chat feature at www.riogrande.com, both available 7am-6pm MST M-F. Hope this helps!
Hey Rio, I've often heard you should light the propane fuel when you are bleeding the tank, rather than letting the propane bleed into the air. Do you have a thought either way on this? Thanks!
Hi, +Tricia! Thanks for reaching out :) We consulted our Jewelry Tech Team and there's no need to light the fuel in order to bleed the lines. The Little Torch has 2 lines, 1 gas and 1 oxygen, so you'll need to bleed each line separately, but you can't have it lit and bleed each line. Does that make sense? Let us know if you have any more questions!
I got the Chinese version... I'm trying to weld bandsaw blades together and even the smallest standard tip is too large. I definitely get a lot better control and it's a lot cheaper than those Cobra torches.
Hi, I am seeking clarification as to just where MAPP gas fits into the range of gasses available in particular if it can be used with the rosebud tip or not. Thanks.
Hey, +labrat7357! Thanks for watching! MAPP gas burns much hotter than propane when used with oxygen, however it is much more expensive and difficult to come by. It’s handy when you need really high heat. It can be used with a rosebud tip. Let us know if that helps!
You're not saying how you sett up your torch. I'm far from being a pro but I believe that information is needed to answer the question. I use the smith little torch with disposable propane and oxygen tanks. They are at most 16 oz so these are small tanks. I asked rio tech team about using flashback arrestors with this set up. I was told that because the tank is small, there isn't enough pressure in the tank to sustain and performance would be affected if using a FB arrestor. There is a check valve in the (small) tank I'm told. Not the same as a flash back arrestor though.
Shouldn't you be turning off the fuel first, then the Oxygen? I know for lrger torches you are supposed to shut the fuel off 1st so that you reduce the chances of having soot go into your tip
@@RioTechs A safety aspect that I don’t think was mentioned in the vid, is that shutting off the oxygen first, then the fuel gas, is that it tests the fuel valve each time you shut it down. If the valve is bad, the flame won’t fully go out, but if the fuel gas is turned off first, the oxygen will snuff out the flame even if the valve is leaking! Even on a torch this small, a leak can cause big boom! Propane for example is heavier than air, and a leak will cause the gas to pocket at the lowest point in the area.
This is the informative video on the little torch that I have been searching for. Thank you.
Hi Greg, Bruce is just demonstrating how to light the torch. In all of the many different configurations we carry the torch you will need some type of regulator and in cases where you will be using larger non-disposable tanks, we recommend using flashback arrestors.
I hope this is of some help.
Mark N Tech
Thanks for all the how to use tips & instructions, it was more pleasant listening to you rather than trying to make way with the instruction booklet
Just received my new little torch..after using the older one for 10 yrs…tried all day to get going on it, but as soon as I add the oxy, it puts the flame out..maybe starting with the small gas flame is the change I need ..will try tomorrow..thank you for the help
Hello, feel free to reach out if you need assistance we are always happy to help! 😊
Hello, we wanted to follow up here just in case you needed the assistance. We spoke with our Tech Team and they said to make sure to use the correct PSI for the oxygen and fuel that is provided in the owners manual. Also new valves are much touchier than older valves, so you will need to be very careful and slowly open the oxygen valve to introduce oxygen into the flame. We hope this infromation is helpufl and feel free to reach out if you have any other questions.
@@RioGrande1944 all is well…problem was 3 defective oxy tanks from same store…bought another from different store ..same brand of tank..NOW MY NEW TORCH WORKS PERFECTLY ON THE FIRST TRY…..DONT KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO WITHOUT MY SMITH LITTLE TORCH..THANK YOU AGAIN!!!
@@jennifers6435 Thank you! We appreciate your support!
@@jennifers6435 hey Jennifer S- was it the "Bernzomatic" brand red 1.4 ounce oxygen cylinder that was giving you trouble? Did it simply blow the flame off contact with the tip, and/ or just blow the gas flame out as you were easing into the oxygen? I have a couple of the Bernzomatic/ Worthington oxygen that I bought that I believe are full of something other than pure oxygen, because it blows the flame out no matter what I do, and different disposable oxygen cylinders that I have work just fine. I don't know how I could find out what exactly is in the bad ones without purchasing a super expensive gas analyzer, so I could return them to Lowes and get my 24$ back! The only identification numbers I can find are stamped into the bottom of the tank and are:"W8X01". Whatever that means. If you happen to see this and reply, thank you, and take care!
Can you use these effectively with just propane? Is there a nozzle that has a Venturi effect that pulls in air?
Mark- I have never heard about the corresponding numbers before! I've been using a little torch for years but keep hearing differing suggestions. Thanks for the info! I have another question unrelated to this topic- is there somewhere you can be reached on the web?
I don't know what you mean by "work the flame," and it sounds pretty important.
Also, FLASH BACK! = BAD! Safety precautions available cheap and easy, should be addressed in a video like this, it takes a second to mention
Hello. Can I use this American system with disposable oxy/fuel cylinders bought in Spain ? Do I need a special adaptor?
Question about the flames you are showing...I thought we were supposed to have a little tip of yellow at the end of the blue flame. My brother always tells me there has to be a little tip (point) of yellow at the very end of the flame, and that is where the flame is the hottest and that is the part that is supposed to touch the pieces you are trying to solder. That is how I've been doing it, but is that the wrong way? Please tell me when you get a chance. I really feel like I'm doing so many things wrong when I watch these videos.
Hi there,
I just purchased my smith little torch with oxygen/propane disposable tanks (For now), and when I'm trying to light it, it is producing a big flame that almost seems to spit back at me. I'm using a tip 4, and I tried lighting using an open flame on candle as well as a strike ignitor and it did the same thing for both. I tried tightening the tip with a wrench, checked for leaks elsewhere and I don't understand why I can't get it to light. I followed all of your instructions. Do you know whats going on?
Michelle, did you ever find a solution to this issue?
i have the same set-up, i use the #4 tip also. I turn on the gas + air very low to start and adjust from there,when i first got the torch i had problems also, just try different things until u find the right combo.
Good explanation!
We are so glad you enjoyed the video ☺
Hi Kristober, I’m not sure what a hho generator is, but we use the little torch with our oxygen generator all the time. We even sell the two together.
I hope this helps.
Mark N Tech
"HHO" is a crackpot term for oxyhydrogen. It's used by people who think they can use water to power cars or to increase fuel efficiency by dumping oxyhydrogen into the engine chamber, and they make it by wasting alternator's electricity on electrolysis onboard.
It's a pseudoscientific and hilarious endeavour that spawned many scammers selling this to uneducated and gullible people.
What is City Gas?
I have a warehouse that needs to solder brass fittings together that works off of 2psi natural gas pressure will your product have a large enough tip to solder efficiently under that low pressure? the manual states that i can only use a #2 tip with that pressure but the #2 tip is not rated for city natural gas. any recommendations?
Great!
I have a disposal cylinders and preset regulators. Every time it is blowing the flame out from the candle. I only open it 1/4 (fuel) after I bleed the lines b4 anything. I even got a new torch and regulator because I thought something was wrong but it's doing the same thing. I cannot seem to figure out why its not lighting. I've used a candle and stricker and in the stricker the flame comes and goes out but tip still not lit. Please any suggestions. Regulators are open all the way because I do have preset regs as stated
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Hi Debra, Thanks for watching. Sounds like there could be several things happening here. Our Jewelry Tech Team would be happy to help troubleshoot with you in person. They can be reached at 800-545-6566 ( just as for the Jewelry Tech Team) or our Live Chat feature at www.riogrande.com, both available 7am-6pm MST M-F. Hope this helps!
Hey Rio, I've often heard you should light the propane fuel when you are bleeding the tank, rather than letting the propane bleed into the air. Do you have a thought either way on this? Thanks!
Hi, +Tricia! Thanks for reaching out :) We consulted our Jewelry Tech Team and there's no need to light the fuel in order to bleed the lines. The Little Torch has 2 lines, 1 gas and 1 oxygen, so you'll need to bleed each line separately, but you can't have it lit and bleed each line. Does that make sense? Let us know if you have any more questions!
do you have instructions on how to replace the hoses?
I got the Chinese version... I'm trying to weld bandsaw blades together and even the smallest standard tip is too large. I definitely get a lot better control and it's a lot cheaper than those Cobra torches.
great video..
Hi, I am seeking clarification as to just where MAPP gas fits into the range of gasses available in particular if it can be used with the rosebud tip or not. Thanks.
Hey, +labrat7357! Thanks for watching! MAPP gas burns much hotter than propane when used with oxygen, however it is much more expensive and difficult to come by. It’s handy when you need really high heat. It can be used with a rosebud tip. Let us know if that helps!
That was a great help. It makes things clear for me now.Thanks.
what pressure do you need for natural gas?
Are flashback arrestors required with this torch?
Yes, and acetylene flash back arrestors will work with propane.
You're not saying how you sett up your torch. I'm far from being a pro but I believe that information is needed to answer the question. I use the smith little torch with disposable propane and oxygen tanks. They are at most 16 oz so these are small tanks. I asked rio tech team about using flashback arrestors with this set up. I was told that because the tank is small, there isn't enough pressure in the tank to sustain and performance would be affected if using a FB arrestor. There is a check valve in the (small) tank I'm told. Not the same as a flash back arrestor though.
Oh oh..I have been using a #2 tip for 10 years
were can i get this at
Thx.
I wonder if it works with hho generator
I can't get mine to hiss like that??
I would like for you to be more precise and define "high pressure" on the gauges.
Yeah I did not understand that either. I've just been using it as is and have no idea about this pressure thing.
@@deplorabledixie2834 -i think they talking about the knobs on the torch green is oxygen and red is gas,adjust them.
Shouldn't you be turning off the fuel first, then the Oxygen?
I know for lrger torches you are supposed to shut the fuel off 1st so that you reduce the chances of having soot go into your tip
+Wallace Olmstead With the little torch you can do either. With propane you don't get the soot. Thanks for watching.Mark N Tech
@@RioTechs A safety aspect that I don’t think was mentioned in the vid, is that shutting off the oxygen first, then the fuel gas, is that it tests the fuel valve each time you shut it down. If the valve is bad, the flame won’t fully go out, but if the fuel gas is turned off first, the oxygen will snuff out the flame even if the valve is leaking! Even on a torch this small, a leak can cause big boom! Propane for example is heavier than air, and a leak will cause the gas to pocket at the lowest point in the area.
What about a good old Bic lighter to light the torch? Works for me. Poof!
What do you do about regulators and flashback arrestors? are the necessary for such a small torch?