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Classical Composer Reacts to Rhayader/Rhayader Goes to Town (Camel) | The Daily Doug (Episode 205)
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2021
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In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to music by Camel for the very first time. Adi from India suggested Rhayader and Rhayader Goes to Town from their The Snow Goose Album. I enjoyed this quirky little two-song set...especially that tritone substitution!
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Doug, you need to hear the entire studio recording of Snow Goose. In one sitting, like Free Hand.
Yep, partly because there are better tracks than these two on it. The snow goose's theme is particularly gorgeous.
You're definitely right.
For sure
Soooo true! It’s M A G I C A L !!!
Definitely
Camel is such a great and underappreciated band. Thanks, Doug!
Camel is criminally underrated in the prog world and some of best prog ever made.
I think in the prog world they are very recognized and appreciated
yeah but not like kc yes and pf
@@kacperfornal5998 Camel can stand against them.
@@kacperfornal5998 crazy how you mentioned the big 4 of prog. idc genesis isn't part of big 4
What a nice surprise, I hope that you do more Camel, Lady Fantasy would be great.
Yes! Snow Goose complete (live 1978). And also ‘Nude’ (album), ‘Mirage’ and ‘Rain dances’. Lot’s of beautiful tracks on those albums.
Thanks for that, Doug! I suspect the majority of Camel fans would prefer the studio version, with all the original line-up? I never felt they were the same after Pete Bardens, in particular, left. A very large part of Camel's music was instrumental, and they lacked a strong vocalist/frontman, which may be a reason they never hit the popularity of some of their peers? Lady Fantasy or Lunar Sea, or more of Snow Goose?
The Studio version is better, in my opinion, but this is a great live version, too!
Yeah, the studio version is better
Yep, what they said. The album would be a much cleaner listen to all the musical details. Lots of interesting composition, and the album is one solid concept/song/compositional suite. You owe yourself, at least, a full, uninterrupted headphone listen...
Another note, one of their best, but sounding a bit of a departure from their usual sound. They are usually a bit more jazzy/jazz rock ish than this...
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Also concur. This is fun, but the overall feel of the piece is surprisingly different from the studio version. This is almost Wishbone Ash-y in places (whom I also love but for a different listening experience). There is a timelessness to the studio version, whereas this is solidly 70's, at least to my ears.
Now the live version of Lunar Sea is really awesome.
I would suggest next something from Moonmadness, either Lunar Sea (for instrumental) or A Song Within A Song (for vocal based). I also love the album Nude. Andrew Latimer is a highly underrated guitar player
I love Latimer!
Nude is a terribly underrated album
Camel is a highly underrated band as a whole. Latimer is a freaking genius. He uses the guitar like no one else (maybe Gilmour would be the closest one but totally different in many ways)
@@juanignacioquesada Amén, hermano.
Absolutely, Lunar Sea!
Camel is an incredible, incredible band... Whatever song you try, is just lovely.
Camel is AMAZING!!!!! Lady Fantasy, Rajaz, Harbor of Tears and so many others.
Coming of ages live
Stationary Traveller
The only way to listen to something from this album is from the beginning to the end 😊 rhayader/rhayader goes to town are more stand alone pieces while the rest goes in to each other through the entire album. It's in my opinion one of, if not the most well thought through album there is in the genre. It's an absolute masterpiece
Totally agree, this has been one of my favourite albums to listen to since the 1990s when I first discovered it. The guitarist in the band I was in was quite influenced by Latimer and he would play it in the bus on tour. I particularly love the big crescendo in "Dunkirk" with the gong at the end of it, it's so epic.
Live version is ok, but you gotta hear the studio album. The sound is much more organic in the realm of acoustic instruments and the mood comes off as much more quirky.
"Lady Fantasy" next for Camel. Roughly 13 minutes.
I second this. Lady Fantasy (the 13 minutes one, which includes 3 pieces) or Nimrodel (9 minutes, also 3 pieces). These two are Camel's classics.
Snow Goose is a brilliant instrumental album, start to finish. It moves through so many various moods, I love it!
Mirage is another great album 🤙
Doug, many other stated this already. The album must be appreciated as a whole. Listening to only these 2 pieces is like trying to appreciate a symphony with only the second movement. The entire album is lyric less. Pure marvelous instrumental piece of music. You will really like it.
That album is amazing
It should be listened as a large song rather than separated tracks
Definitely agree! In fact, I made a copy of my CD and joined all the songs together into a single track. That way it can never play other than in the right order, and I always listen to the whole piece.
In fact, I'm going to do that with my copy of Olias too.
@@polbecca and a few other Camel's albums (Dust and Dreams, Harbour of Tears to name a few)
I’ve been following Camel since the mid 70’s when I just happened to see them live. Glad you liked them of course. As a musician myself I really appreciated your chord progression analysis. It was a very interesting progression. Many many great tunes in their catalog.
Camel 🤟🏼 A Song Within A Song!
Grew up on Camel's Snow Goose (well my teens). Brilliant album in the studio, never so good live imo.
Really? I thought this live version was really cool
@@isakrahmisaevski974 Not saying this was bad, just that there were certain instruments missing.
Mirage, Snow Goose and Moonmadness are worth listening to in full.
Also, the re-recording of Snow Goose is quite good, and the best parts
of Breathless are terrific.
I saw their Pressure Points concert on tv in the 80s and I’ve loved them ever since. Nude is my favourite.
Nothing beats the original album. The whole album is a masterpiece! Rhayader Goes to Town is a Bardens\Latimer classic with one of Latimer's amazing solos that should only be played at full volume. Thanx Doug!
Love that you did these songs! Only wish you would have listened to the album version! On that note please do the entire album like you did Free Hand! I promise you won't be disappointed! Cheers Doug!
This a tune I love to play on guitar! Such a magical guitar solo!
yeah been listening to Camel for so many years, they have a lot of amazing music especially the latest works
You need to hear the studio version!
Very nice footage. A lot of Camel's music is instrumental. I particularly like their tracks "Lunar Sea" and "First Light" to name a few.
Like so many others they tried to become more 'pop' in the 1980s, which isn't their strongest phase IMO.
The Snow Goose is the crowning masterpiece of prog. Magnificently composed, brilliantly played and it interprets the story of The Snow Goose wonderfully.
But it's best listened to from start to finish because it is a cyclical piece: it starts with The Great Marsh and ends the same way, indicating that whilst characters like Rhayader, Fritha and the Snow Goose come and go, the natural world still remains.
One of my very favourite bands - I mean ever! We need more Camel!
Camel is a wonderful band, definitely one of the unsung heroes of prog rock. Suggest you check out Lady Fantasy, Lunar Sea, or Ice.
There is another, earlier version done by original line-up 1975 for BBC with a wind instrument ensemble, "Snowgoose medley".
As a self taught musician, it's fascinating to hear Doug talk of a "substitution of a chord for the chord that should be there and it's a tritone away from where it should be". It's like watching Big Bang Theory and listening to Sheldon explaining quantum mechanics. He may as well be speaking in tongues. I have no clue what he's talking about but I so wish I could do that.
One of my favorite bands from my teenage years. They were very famous in Europe and certainly famous in my home country the Netherlands.
The albums up to Stationary Traveller are Progrock which I like very much. Later albums became more jazzy and I didn’t like them that much.
‘A Live Album’ contains the whole Snowgoose album.
I advise you to hear the whole studio album; preferably in one go. So good.
Awesome vid, Doug! Glad you chose these songs over Lady Fantasy (although that song is no slouch either!). If you listen to Camel again in the near future, I would suggest Lady Fantasy or Ice. But I know you have a lot on the list! Happy to see this at least.
As many other have already commented, the album really needs to be listened to in one sitting to do it justice.
That album got me through my last year at university. I loved that live Snow Goose recording. The other songs are pretty excellent too.
I suggested you to include Camel in an episode of Daily Doug, and you did it. Thank you
Yes, listen to the entirety of The Snow Goose! Its so good!
Thank you for this, Doug! Lovely to revisit this with you here. Never heard the live version. Interesting. The studio piece is essential. But yeah. This WAS fun!!!
Doug, you can fall deep into the Camel rabbit-hole. Absolutely amazing band and just as good as any of the prog heavy hitters like Yes, King Crimson, etc...
Thanks Doug,really enjoyed this. Big Camel fan.
Thanks so much Doug. I love these guys. Am going to try playing the chords on my guitar now.
Great! Old friend had a grey red tail parrot. We used to play the record or whistle the flute theme for the beast called Koko. He did a damn good job singing it throughout the day. With the occasional shrill mishit once in a while, casting a malevolent eye on us lazy students... Fun memories...
I love that you take the time to teach us the chords.
Amazing stuff dude, glad you did this. Never thought i'd be able to see them live but luckily have done 3 times now, god bless Andy Latimer and the crew. Music that will greet you to the afterlife!
Hey Doug glad you're doing Camel, they are an amazing and underrated band! What I would propose is to always listen to the studio version of a song for the first time, since live performances are not meant to be perfectly executed. It can take away many of the nuances you find in a controlled environment.
Please please do the full album! An all time favorite of mine
I second those requests for something from Moonmadness - Studio version of Song within a Song or Lunar Sea as others have mentioned. Meanwhile, I'm off to Rhayader in the morning for work...
I grew up listening to the snow goose. such a great album
Camel is an incredible band, these two songs only scratch the surface. They are responsible for some of the most beautiful music from their era. You also need to delve into the catalog of Nektar.
Please Please React to Lunar Sea by Camel!
Couldn't be more thankful that you're reacting to Camel finally!!!
Oh my God, Doug! That's one of my favorites songs ever! Thank you!
Another great one! Camel are so underated.
This is a concept album (studio) and it's best to listen to it from beginning to end
Moonmadness is excellent as well. Enjoy Camel. I put them on as background music when I'm busy around the house. Great music 🎶
Oh Camel - the band that has stayed with me through all the people I've been in life. Like everyone says, this performance is a bit of a departure from the original, but the concert you've picked is special because Andy thought this might be the band's swan song, and Pete Bardens came back to play keys on the show. The band has a rich catalog, and more connections than Kevin Bacon. There is a wealth of intricate prog-tastic material I think you'd enjoy sinking your teeth into.
Doug dipped his toe into Camel. Wonder if he'll be going to Camel-ot. lol.
Toe into Camel. Camel toe. I get it.
I always toe the line as far as camel is concerned.
Camel fan since circa 1984. Don't listen to them much nowadays, but when I do, always enjoy it immensely
Doug, !!!! Thanks for your comments about my two favourit bands: Camel and Dream Theater !!!!
I highly recommend Chord Change off of Moon Madness. Give a listen to Snow Goose on Camel A Live Record. The second side is Snow Goose Live with an orchestra. The mix is amazing, esp with headphones!
The bar was so high in the 70’s a and Camel easily measured up. Thanks Doug.
I was unfamiliar with this band, but I'm glad I've heard them now. I'll DEFINITELY check out some more CAMEL.
You"ll definetely enjoy it if you like prog rock.
Camel is a truly underrated gem. Their musicianship is outstanding in any way. You may not hear any "virtuoso" playing in it (like Petrucci for instance) but the way they pick the notes, timing AND silences is just beautiful. You will certainly enjoy it and since you already learned about Rhayader start take a listen to Never Let Go album which is a live performance that happens to include the entire Snow Goose album in it
Finally Camel! especially "The snow goose" you need to listen to the whole album, not just parts as individual songs
Hey Doug, thank you for keeping up with good reviews. The middle, slightly softer part in Rhayader goes to town's chord progression is Cm-(Bb)-Ab-D-Db, which on the last cycle modulates to C-Ab-Bb =)
Rhayader is near where I live - bought the vinyl when it was first released - 'Live at the Target' by Twelfth Night could be worth persuing if you like Camel.
Thank you for That!! It's nice to see Camel getting some love and maybe some new listeners.
Its great to see you utilize the keyboard to analyze chord structures and progressions.
Thanks again!
Song recommendation : Nuclear Apathy by Crack The Sky
Even though Camel has had myriad personnel changes over the years, their output is remarkably consistent, quality-wise, even as they moved into shorter songs with vocals (Andy Latimer being the constant). At one point, they were jokingly referred to as Caramel due to half the band being former members of Caravan.
I saw this tour, just a few nights before they filmed this. Barden was a special guest for this gig only, having left the band a few years earlier. Latimer is still an incredible player and Camel are still going today.
Ah, great! Brings back memories to seeing and hearing Camel live in Rotterdam, I think it was not too long after the album was released.
Those early Camel albums are so dang good. Love 'em. Thanks, Doug!
The Snow Goose is one of my favourite albums.
My mom was born in Rhayader. I have never had a chance to go there. would love to someday....
Now you are getting somewhere with these videos!
Somehow Gryphon's Red Queen to Gryphon Three came to mind. A concept album revolving around a game of chess. Might be worth checking out guys.
Played the hell out of Snow Goose back in my youth.
Thank you Doug, you´ve done almost all my favourites: Queen, Dream Theater, Rammstein, Camel, Nightwish, Rainbow, Metallica...but not Muse...yet.
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I love Camel! Mirage is my favorite album...
Saw the original line up at the Stadium in Liverpool when they were touring Snow Goose on release mid 70s. They had a back projection video running - I assume of the film of the book by Paul Gallic - and it stopped running about 5-10 mins into the performance. After some head-scratching and chat they just restarted the film and the performance from the beginning. Snow Goose was massive for progrockers in its day. A beautiful album.
I saw Camel in the 1980s at the Hammersmith Odeon on 'The Single Factor' tour, when Kit Watkins was playing keyboards. I still have the programme! When the band played 'The Snow Goose' at the Royal Albert Hall circa 1975, my mum wouldn't let me go to London to see them, as she said I was too young!!
That pressure points álbum Is a great camel production. A great live álbum. Im a camel mexican fan. Cheers Dough!
When I first heard of Camel around late '74 [there was Frampton's Camel that caused some mix-ups at the time], I though they were ok. Later, I listened a lot to their stuff and realised they were a stupendously great band.
I still love listening to them. Their output is just so listenable.
I saw Camel perform the whole album in London in 1975. It's a very powerful piece, describing the military evacuation of Dunkirk in 1940. You really need to listen to the album in one go. Great reaction., Doug.
RAYHADER è sicuramente un brano con chiare strutture classicheggianti barocche e quindi al maestro di musica classica è piaciuto sicuramente!!!!!! Molto vicino il sound anche ai FOCUS!!!!!!!
Camel!❤️ Just as was about to suggest it 😊
Absolutely delighted that you chose to do some camel so will not harp on about needing to listen to snow goose in one hit. Camel did generally extract those two movements to play live but they are as everyone has said part of a larger piece. Hopefully you will find space for some more of their work in your rotation. I for one will be there like a shot if you do.
Am already hyped for friday. I assume and hope that you will use the fan made (but band approved) video.
That video Collin Bass (joined in 1978) is playing bass
My eldest sister (always a musical influence on me) introduced me to this in 1976. I have listened to this so many many times. Some tracks on "Rain Dances", the album "Moonmadness" and their fantastic album (again a whole album and whole story) "Nude" have got to be my favourites.
i'd love to see you react to this whole album (The Snow Goose)
Yeeessss, Camel are one of my 70s faves, their first four albums are amazing!! It's time to let Lady Fantasy in your life....she'll visit you and you'll never let her walk away again. :)
Camel is just brilliant, for me after Rush they are the greatest band of the 70s.
Glad you're finally doing some Camel! Mirage is great.
Thank you!
Camel is such a great band. Great reaction Doug.
That was amazing, would definitely love to see you react to the Lady Fantasy medley sometime in the future
Camel are a fantastic band. The Snow Goose is one of my favourite albums.
Such a great band!
I saw them at The Edge back in the day.
Thanks.Camel is fantastic.
Lady Fantasy is one of my favorite songs of all time. I hope you get a chance to check it out soon!
This one was a good analysis. Thanks for pointing out the tritone substitution and the positions rather than pure chords. Chord progression is an interresting thing in music but you should also react to the quality of the melodies. Chords are the base, melody makes the feeling.
I think the lineup of this performance is:
Andrew Latimer - guitar, flute, keyboards, vocals
Richard Sinclair - bass, vocals
Jan Schelhaas - keyboards, synthesisers
Dave Sinclair - keyboards, synthesisers
Andy Ward - drums, percussion
Mel Collins - saxophones, flute, clarinet
Wrong. 1984 tour is:
Andrew Latimer - lead guitar, flutes, vocals, tambourine
Ton Scherpenzeel - keyboards
Chris Rainbow - vocals, keyboards
Richie Close - keyboards
Colin Bass - bass, vocals
Paul Burgess - drums, percussion
Guest appearance
Pete Bardens - organ
Mel Collins - saxophone
Sort of. Colin Bass on... bass. Richie Close was the "rhythm keyboardist," while Schelhaas took most of the lead lines. Chris Rainbow was also in the lineup on vocals and backing keys. That's Paul Burgess on drums. Andy Ward had been ousted by this point (and had already served a short stint with Marillion!) That's Peter Bardens himself guesting on Hammond. I think he and Mel Collins only appeared as guests for this part of the show. By the way, this is all taken from the "Pressure Points" live video.
Def not Richard Sinclair on Bass.
He was practically bald by then and usually wore a hat and plays Fretless.
This is the line up from the Pressure Points live album.