“Meme Wars:” The Digital Underworld That Led to Jan. 6 and the Pelosi Attack | Amanpour and Company
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- The internet has redefined American politics in many ways. Among the most significant is the increasing use of memes by politicians and extremist groups. Once dismissed as an online joke, memes have proved to be effective tools for energizing a base -- and effective weapons in attacks on opponents. Joan Donovan and Emily Dreyfuss investigate the digital underworld in their new book "Meme Wars." They speak with Hari Sreenivasan about the power of memes.
Originally aired on November 2, 2022
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Emily Dreyfuss is understandably brilliant. Her father is actor Richard Dreyfuss, whose main focus is promoting a return to Civics classes in schools. I can only imagine the guidance Emily received from her father and mother growing up, forming her personal system of values, debating morals and ethics, etc. I would love to just listen to this woman for hours on end.
I love these long form interviews. Gracias!
Watch Democracy Now as well. They do headline news for 10-15 minutes, then long-form interviews for the rest of the hour.
@@timevaporwave Yes, been watching it for years.
THANK YOU & VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS - ESPECIALLY THIS - PARTICULAR SHOW.... Love to Christine Amanpour!
“Lead to Jan 6th” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IM DYING! This is hilarious content
Being in Canada and watching what is happening in America is so sad.
It is so hard trying to reclaim democracy using our legal system and voting when one of the parties is against that legal process.
It's sad and it will continue this way into the future until the wars started. Civil wars and world wars were while back and people don't seem to remember.
When people have too good of a life and they don't know how good it is , they become bored and start somethings new. They don't really have a clear picture of right and wrong!
@@silverforest4682 “Reclaim democracy”?? Both sides cry victim when they’re losing. After Trump was elected, all the pundits on the left cried foul abt “election integrity,” and we were subject to years of Russiagate...all accomplishing nothing but further polarizing the citizenry.
No one whines about the other billionaires who own the tech companies or media conglomerates. Only Elon is seen as a threat-why?? Bc he favors free speech? Only falsehoods require censorship of dissenting voices. I’m old enough to remember that as core to liberalism. It’s upsetting that people can be cruel online, but that’s why the mute & block features exist. *We can’t allow social media/tech companies to get in bed with the State to determine what approved narratives are allowed for public consumption* (as has been occurring, per Mark Zuckerberg): *that’s literally the bedrock of fascism.*
Until the left can admit they only mind when the shoe’s on the other foot, you’ll keep hemorrhaging voters who recognize the hypocrisy. I left the Left for that reason (all blame, zero self awareness or accountability for the very same actions); I just didn’t join Team Red, either.
We work together or we fall apart-and it seems evident a breaking point is close on the horizon. Team Blue has to get it together, and soon-bc Team Red will undoubtedly win a civil conflict if it came to that. Admitting “we got it wrong, we’re sorry” goes a lot further than most would imagine.
Recent calls for “amnesty” wrt covid mandates are being met with ridicule & scorn: there’s a lot of very hurt & resentful people aching for revenge. I’m one to push for peace & forgiveness, but I wasn’t kept from seeing loved ones or fired for refusing a (in hindsight, all but useless) vaccine. Those who refuse to make amends are in for a very rough few years ahead. Pride is a helluva drug. 😔💔
And vice versa
@@silverforest4682 Which party do you believe is against the "legal process" and undermining our Constitutional Republic? Keep in mind the similarities between January 6th and CHAZ/CHOP, and the riots of 2020/2021.
"Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire
Iraq not a threat to the US..Iraq not an imminent threat to its neighbors..Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.. Iraq had no WMD’s
The US led invasion of Iraq was declared illegal on 9/15/2004 by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.. Bush, Cheney etc, we’re tried in absentia by the International Commission of Jurists (Geneva) The invasion of Iraq was neither in self defense against armed attack, nor sanctioned by UN Security Council authorizing the use of force by member states and thus constituted the crime of war of aggression.
Like firing people who refuse covid vaccines?
Joan and Emily are so on the pulse of this it's insane. Both need to be on primetime TV, because as an American, this message needs to be conveyed to the rest of us moving forward through our toxic 21st century politics
Unbeknownst to you.. people like this ARE the meme now 😂😂😂
Truly excellent interview! Thank you.
A pure woke interview. Thank you for your service.
Thank you. So enlightening. Can’t wait to show this to my 70 something Dad who is clueless about this reality, watches Fox News all day, & thinks everything is just as it always was. It’s hard watching my own family being brainwashed.
Mine too, but I’ve been slowly exposing my Mom to facts about Trump and she is finally agreeing he is dangerous.
TRUMP 2024! What's hilarious is that you aren't understanding what memes are, hence why the left wing hasn't been able to counter the right wings meme game. We're the new counter culture, like it or not we're going to continue to make huge inroads with the gen Z population. They're getting tired of being forced fed left wing bullshit, and poll after poll shows this..
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I was born and raised in the United States, I raised my family, had a career and retired in the United States but for the first time in my life I'm afraid to continue to live here. I'm thinking about getting a place outside the United States for my family just in case. Not long ago I would have taken vacations outside the United States just for the fun of experiencing other cultures but I have never before felt that I might need to leave in order to keep my family safe or in order to escape fascism. I've never before felt that we might have to get out for fear of politically motivated violence I've never even suspected that many of our politicians would turn to stochastic terrorism. Unfortunately it seems to be working for them, especially with the Christina Nationalists as well as gaining much needed votes from neo-nazis and other such extremist groups. Most people have always considered me a left wing extremist but but it's extremely rare for the far left to pose a danger to others. For the most part we are unusual peaceful people.
It's a call I don't want to make, but I'm looking at options for expats. Better to plan ahead and not need the plan. I want peace, with the planet and its inhabitants, but I'll settle for the protection of human rights and a belief in science.
@@bjdefilippo447 I've also been checking out the options. Canada would be nice but they usually end up following whatever the United States does within a few years and they're already having trouble with the far right. Onterio has been taken over by a far right government in their province. I have to consider having excellent Wi-Fi because both my son and his fiance work remotely. My son needs his internet service to be extremely secure as well. It will just be the three of us and two large dogs. Mexico has some expat communities set up perfectly for remote workers and retirees and it's close to one of my son's homes which is just across the border from a few of the nicer expat communities. His fiance is a naturalized citizen who is originally from Mexico so she knows her way around and we all speak the language. I was considering someplace in Europe but they're having their own problems with the far right getting into high up political positions and several countries have succumbed to fascism.
My family have looked at southern Europe, but the climate makes it less desirable, Costa Rica, Thailand, and NZ, but Mexico has many advantages, especially if you have that familiarity already. All the best!
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@@leealexander3507 I know just how you feel, I'm a 63 year old progressive liberal man working as a nurse in the middle of a red state in the US Midwest. It feels like we have been fighting these fascists my entire life, especially since the Nixon and Reagan years. It's both maddening and exhausting so my wife and I earlier this year bought a lovely little Casita in the mountains of Costa Rica and plan to be living there full-time before the 2024 elections. It's a MUCH safer place to live with a good quality of life, Costa Rica has no standing military and instead they invest in the education and health care of their citizens. It's not perfect but definitely preferable to the US as it slides to the cliff of fascism 😥
They know how it all works for sure. Thank you for bringing them on today :D
Wow, I can empathize with Emily's husband who doesn't look at Twitter at all. I'm in the same boat, I've never looked at Twitter but that stuff finds me. In fact, I don't even carry a cell phone but I know what's trending. For me what's missing in this new mass media environment are the "editors" who used to moderate the old forums which we use to call newspapers and broadcast journalism. Actually I guess we can't even call social media - journalism. It's really just unmoderated opinion and gossip but all the users of these platforms equate it with news or verified information.
its the anonymity
One must find the best channels gor the truth. This is one of them.
She described Elon perfectly.
"Occupy Wall Street" was NOT an anarchist movement. It was a movement that confronted raging income inequality--which has only worsened in the intervening years-- and the deluge of money-- "corporations are people" and "money donated is a form of protected speech"--into American politics, another issue that has worsened considerably since the heyday of "Occupy Wall Street."
Yes. Hence Citizens United. Corporations are people too, they whine.
Don't kid yourself. I've been retired and on Medicare for 15 years and I have no trouble understanding.
I learned a lot about the history and use of memes; will be reading the book for more.
In Amanpour We Trust.
Trust in yourself, and be informed of both sides.
Thank you for sharing this important perspective.
COPE HARDER, MEME MORE! The experts are crying LMDO!!!!
Bet these experts still support the “vaccine” and mRNA is awesome! LMDO
another much needed voice to the current moment. Thank you writers and journalists! this seems ground breaking perspective 😀
Great discussion!!!
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“Technocrat” is not a technology autocrat.
It’s a person who competently does their job, like a Mario Draghi. Musk isn’t a technocrat.
Applying their technical training to solve societal problems.
Elon isn’t an engineer, either.
2 rarest things in the US. 1-
A trump republican that knows how to fact check.
2-A trump republican that understands the fact Q Anon started on 4 Chan, then 8 Chan and what that means.
So why don't you tell them then.
Just bought the book ❤
I am one that has zero interest in Twitter. I fully realize it's current influence, I am not attempting to dismiss it. I am however not willing to participate in what I perceive to be little more then drama queens seeking attention. There is value in community and social discourse. There is zero value in hate, racism and pure ignorance !
I'd like to see a National Month of No Social Media. Maybe if people started to actually hear themselves and what they say outloud, they would hear how abusurd and devoid of all reason they are.
If anyone prescribes evil as just the internet, isn't paying attention.
Such an interesting and intelligent conversation. Thank you.
I don't give a bloody flip about the daily exploits of Elon Musk, but this interview makes me wonder, Can't the world's richest person find a better use of his time than indulging in online trolling?
I am sorry but if you think that "ok Boomer" is aimed at "anyone over 30" I am not sure that you should be writing a book about (internet) memes.
In the minds of many under - thirties, anyone over that age is considered a boomer.
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I hope twitter goes away and the media stops amplifying it. It's like middle school behavior most of the time.
Dont billionaires own all the major media, not just Musk and Bezos?
Is Murdoch a billionaire?
Very thought provoking, memes are returning to the original meaning of ideas that infiltrate through society and change thought. Who knew that a frog drinking tea could be so powerful, but the picture is not, it's the cynical uncaring attitude that it conveys.
My all time favorite meme is a good photo of Bernie Sanders with the words "Working Class Hero". I don't like violent or divisive memes
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Too bad the internet wasn't subject to fcc rules . We have lost control. you need to take personal responsibility for what you read and pass on!
Take responsibility by using your proper or given gives more power to your statement. A point on responsibility.
Using you real name, opps.
The internet has so much potential for social good, BUT also a downside that can be very, very bad indeed. Could a change in education policy counter this downside?
No.
Yes, but until schools can teach ethics, values, morals to children not learning it at home, we are stuck with people who lie without thinking and without fear of consequences.
It's as easy as teaching critical thinking skills. You see some statement, article, stop, and think.
"Is this true, can you verify it with other sources", "Does it have logic, common sense?", "Is the opposite true, and I can verify that it is?"
Step back, look at what are possible repercussions, who's writing it, saying it, and why.
Not everything has an ugly motive or intent, but if your own mind puts up alarms, find out why.
Memes tend to inject an element of humor which is an effective tool to soften something that might otherwise be distasteful in order to make it easier to change minds or support existing beliefs. Memes tend to be shared more if there is an element of humor, even if it is vile or even dangerous to society. Humor can be used for good as well. Consider the TV show All In The Family.
Watching the NPC'S try to explain this is interesting. If they offended you it's probably because they're hitting close to home. They say the left can't meme, and you've proved it on this interview.
Techno insurgency… hits the big screen. From small time commercials to mass manipulation. A whole new type of policing, and primary education is necessary. Critical thinking takes a fundamental core objective groundwork and self initiated research know how.
Eric- YES!! Online literacy of a deep kind. Essential in maintaining learning/ growth/ individual freedom. Well said.
I am on your side (and I'm solution oriented) in this BUT please please think again! Nobel Laureate Nuclear Physicist Murray Gell-man once said 'it is very fortunate for us that particles cannot think'. Cause-and-Effect and Critical Thinking may work pretty well for inanimate objects like rocks and rockets but they work very very very poorly for Living Systems. Just look around the jury has long been in. Thinking is not about winning/losing and winners/losers, it's about designed effectiveness.
Solely depending on Critical Thinking has given us societies that routinely produce 32tons of waste for every 1ton of marketed product. That is, *_we are a net waste-producing society._* Solely depending on Critical Thinking has given us highly skewed 'disciplines' like 'economics' which can rationalise to the nth degree that wastes should be 'external' to the economy therefore ignored. Solely depending on Critical Thinking has meant people and environmental systems - our very Life-support system - suffer the health consequences of those wastes quietly generating new substances and bacteria under the energy of the sun. We are literally harvesting monumental unintended consequences all around us and 90% of us are in denial of it.
Thankfully some scientists are beginning to wake up to some of the in-group irresponsibilities that have led to this. In Nature the august science Journal they have been calling for Triangulation of results from different disciplines. That is not Critical Thinking. That is Complexity Thinking which is what we need now. Operating from within the highly insulated bubbles of subject language, specialism parameters, a lab and a computer program not to mention the academic/faculty, business and political meddling involved are _bound_ to generate skewed results. Multi-disciplinary Triangulations aim to discover where the redundancies are which can make results more reliable.
Simply put solely depending on Critical Thinking has wrought upon us a binary either/or system of agree/disagree which has given us horrible political, economic and scientific denialism. The world and our lives are massively complex, nuanced and largely operate between shifting maxima and minima. Our bodies alone have a trillion bio-chemical reactions per second going on. Some of the quantities involved are in parts per billion and subject to malfunction if not kept in range. *How will we keep them in range - for optimum brain-body function - if our agricultural systems are producing food **_40% less in nutritional content_** because of increasing atmospheric CO2?*
Whilst there have been a number of people since the 1940's inventing Cybernetics and Systems Thinking to cope with such complexities there's been only one person in the modern era who devoted his entire Life to researching Cognitive Thinking and _producing Tools for its direct enhancement._ This guy, Edward De Bono, had studied medicine and researched the communication systems operating in the brain-body system. If you really want what you say you want then you have to give up the monolithical and monomaniacal idea of 'critical thinking' as the only form of thinking of any value.
Remember the idea of this kind of *Aristotlian **_either/or_** (excluded middle) thinking* was _formalised not by science but by the early Roman Catholic church_ to defeat the Heretics (heretic = "independent thinker"). *Isn't independent thinking the precursor to free speech?* (That's a rhetorical question). _What passes for 'free speech' today contains hugely amplified group-think_ rather than independent thinkers. During the Cuban Missile Crisis JFK kicked out all the over-simplifying yes-men and struggled instead with herding the cats of diverse thinkers to help him solve the problem without global calamity.
Critical/criticism (from Gk. kritikos) means *to judge.* If you judge too early, before the _full range of thinking types_ are accumulated and melded, then we get the dangerous numb-skullery of multiple existential crises that we are currently facing. The unintended consequences of all our self-acclaiming "success" comes from the unintended consequences of poor thinking. Far too many people engage in this kind of reactive (I know better than you) thinking, particularly the class of 'experts' academics, business people, politicians (the talking professions) and yes scientists and mathematicians. Critical thinking is only one of many forms of thinking. We need the _full range of them._
As a professional Facilitator of 30yrs I can recommend Edward De Bono's *_invaluable,_* very simple, very effective and time-saving Cognitive Thinking Tools and processes:
*Thinking Lessons: Points of View - Teacher's Guide* [ tinyurl.com/26w8w94m ]
*Six Thinking Hats* [ tinyurl.com/mrm9ypwz ]
*De Bono's Thinking Course: Powerful Tools to Transform Your Thinking* [ tinyurl.com/ycksn64n ]
*Parallel Thinking* [ tinyurl.com/ye5hy9yv ] (Think 'parallel processing' in the brain)
In his many very readable books he makes abundantly clear that raw (largely unconscious) intelligence isn't very useful on its own (because it relies on faulty memory and data that comes in sporadically) but requires deliberate and conscious use of Thinking Tools to guide our perceptions and cognitions to liberate and make best use of our 4bn year old intelligence. Now tell me, how many idiot PhDs have you met? (Don't get me started). De Bono is talking about cognitive *Design Thinking* using diverse inputs as the complexity ground and the Tools to generate and make sense of alternative versions of ideas which may be generated from that data.
De Bono charged businesses a f-ing fortune to learn these very simple tools. Businesses like these tools because they save 90% of wasted time in adversarial meetings (mainly sparring, waffle, ad hominems, politicking, ingratiating with the boss etc) which is a huge saving in associated wage costs. Nobel Prize winners use them and so do schools.
I've used them to aid highly diverse community groups to communicate with each other about local crime and much else _without a cross word._ Without all that cognition-skewing adrenalin narrowing people's perceptions the ideas come thick and fast. And yes, of course, ideas are criticised (Black Hat) and honed and tuned (Green Hat) but only after the data/info (White Hat) on which their foundations will rest is first gathered. Industries in Japan - the third largest economy in the world - regularly use Six Hats. They are known to spend weeks just on gathering White Hat info/data before they embark on the thinking itself.
Having pertinent thinking capabilities in our crises-ridden age is vital because *virtually every single human being on the planet* - _independent of age, gender, race, IQ, class, status, professional field_ etc - *suffers **_inherently_** from a **_range of general Cognitive and Perceptual Deficiencies:_*
(1) Humans are *barely 1-2% conscious,* we run largely automatically and unconsciously (98-99%)
(2) Our *sensory systems **_are severely stunted,_* filtering out all but 1 part in 10m bits/sec of incoming information into consciousness
(3) Free-riding over the top of those deficiencies are over *200 Cognitive Biases* (e.g. Conformation Bias, Dunning-Kruger) and a trove of unconscious, but also _manipulatively used_ *Logical Fallacies* (e.g. Appeal To Authority, Ad Hominem).
Each of these our meagre capacities also vary greatly with age, peer environment, situational environment and mood (joy, fear, anger, surprise, disgust etc).
The self-imprisoning filter-bubbles which make up our ‘identities’ had the solidity of their foundations laid very early on by our parents and their _parenting style and those inputs they chose to give us, and those they chose to leave out._ One way or another, a range of complementary, and also different, styles and input choices were offered, or impressed upon us in successive layers:
- by our sibling relationships and rivalries
- by peer support groups and peer pressures
- by years of teachers, their teaching styles and how they treated us
- by subject matter which is problematically shy of the whole available story (at ALL educational levels)
This means - in terms of 'reality' - our individual perceptions have become filtered, skewed and/or corrupted by other members our own already sub-par species and we could do nothing about the inherent power relations behind those situations. Add to this *being isolated from a direct variety of experiences of our Life-support environments because most of us we live in cities we are getting _none of the necessary Feedback Signals_ to guide, or nudge, us in Life-centric directions and away from our, now default, Patho-centric directions and behaviours.
Please experiment with these Cognitive Thinking Tools, the books now cost mere pennies on Amazon. Start with the PMI Tool on topics of interest to yourself (like where to go on holiday, how to spend your precious dosh), then invite family and friends, and finally work colleagues to try them.
My first response was before reading everything you wrote. I like ‘complexity thinking’ conceptualization. It wasn’t until I got involved in the Hawaii Sovereignty movement (I was among the front runners of my generation) of which was created Kupuna (elders)councils, Ohana (family) councils, within Ahupua’a (districts) because each district is unique in its ecology, even as to migration of fish as they grow, and the ocean currents that shift with the seasons) so as each district had a responsibility to other districts that were linked in this fashion) aka that’s when I really started learning, from our cultural survivors. 95% of Hawaiians died from colonial ethnocide and genocide tactics which were common place as the colonial perfected complexity thinking 🤔😆 or insane critical thinking! Then I got heavily connected to various Native American elders and cultural wisdom keepers as well. The Sovereignty group I was/am involved with flew many over to the islands so we could all share and learn from each other, especially in successes and failures, different modalities and experiences with surviving and dealing with state and federal governments. I will continue 😆 to read what you wrote and check out a few new things you brought to my awareness. 🌴😎🌈🫶🏾
@@lobopix_ I can’t thank you enough for your reply. ❤️
@@erickane7093 You seem to be a thoughtful activist (it seems we may be on parallel paths?). I applaud you for your work, and also for responding to my post pretty much in kind - which is so freaking rare here on YT. Too often the first response begins off-topic and then remains on an entirely fact-free, and emotional ‘point scoring’ level from which the rant explodes. _Zero info-sharing._ Far far far too many people have been dismissed so out of hand during their lives (neglect, bullying, abuse etc) both at home, in school and in the workplace they end up screaming out their pain all over YT ’comments’ sections.
Most people think this is a political issue. Not so methinks, it’s much more of a Systems Anthropology _and_ Systems Cognitive issue (plus local food, health, and community support logistics). And maybe because they _feel_ they’re getting more of the same when the smarter(?) YT commenters either factually correct them (which is not what they are after) and/or make snide jokes at their expense they violently well-up and trash the Capitol. I humbly admit, faced with the most incorrigible trolls, I have been known to make cutting/joking remarks myself. Mostly I try to offer thought-FULL comments and often enough give a *list of annotated references* so that others can check out my points for themselves and _draw their own conclusions._
I respect where you’re coming from but I have to point out that as a devotee of Critical Thinking you seem to have forgotten to use it here: *“I like ‘complexity thinking’ conceptualization.”*
You’ve cast this as an emotional preference (‘like’). My life-long approach has been *“does this or that Tool, this or that Model **_work”_* for its intended purpose or not. What are its weaknesses and what else can we use to cover for those if the Tool/Model is deficient in something important we need to grapple with? And let’s remember that in mega-societies which, like ours, tend toward extreme specialisations and therefore _de-complexification_ *all human inventions* - mechanical, scientific, computational, organisational cognitive etc - are highly suspect. These people demand Critical Thinking _for everyone else_ but have you noticed that they never use it on themselves, or the things that they favour but are whip-smart in using it on others - often patronisingly so?
*The problem is that such **_wilful ignorance is the fertile field where hidden complexities and unintended consequences g.r.o.w……._* Hence the existential mega-problems we face today.
Professionally I’ve spent a lifetime trying to assist communities in their group self-management issues and local sustainability issues. I studied Systems Tools and Models which were designed to mop up (absorb) raw complexity of whatever kind was plaguing them and find the redundancies in people’s diverse contributions so that they could create a meta-map of where they wanted to go.
The beauty of such meta-thinking Tools/Models is that you can let anyone say the craziest sh*t if they insist but such inputs (’noise’) gain very little redundancy. Most people in such groups do want to solve problems and the inputs which aim at those quickly gather redundancies (’signal’). And because no-one gets to shut anyone else up - because we are using *_Parallel_** Thinking* not Adversarial (or Critical) Thinking - they just have to observe, like everyone else, in which direction(s) their collective meta-informational redundancies are accruing and melding and taking them. No-one ever really knows in advance what the outcomes are going to be but groups always surprise themselves! And because even the nay-sayers do want solutions they go with it.
It’s very beautiful to watch if you can stand back - with absolutely minimal interference - and let the process flower. For trust in that process you have to trust the Tools/Models you’re using. I have spent decades _destructive testing_ where the weaknesses are in various Tools/Models and finding other Tools/Models to shore them up if necessary. This means I often use a _suite of them,_ as a process. Often - depending on circumstances - I get the groups I’m facilitating to build the Tools/Models themselves so they can have inherent trust in them and their usage.
For today’s parlous circumstances we need to work with Meta-thinking, inter-disciplinary Triangulations and a triplet of ‘grounded (and grounding) ecologies’, that is, Living Systems Thinking.
(1) Our own bodies are _physiological_ ecologies (internal Life-support system)
(2) Our societies are _anthropological_ ecologies (social Life-support system)
(3) Our neighborhoods are _environmental_ ecologies (environmental Life-support system)
The 7 recursions of Living Systems Thinking (James G. Miller) cover much of this ground. And if used _with great care_ so too the Viable Systems Model (Stafford Beer).
But all this complexity absorbing stuff only works well, in the long term, if your group can _first_ operate non-adversarially. That is, absorb its own unnecessary generation of unwieldy complexities. The Parallel Thinking and high signal/noise ratio of using Cognitive Thinking Tools/Processes has to be in place first. Critical Thinking (Black Hat, Minus Points) is self-evidently an important part of this process but it is not the only part. It has its place in issuing notice of problems and idea weaknesses as well as warnings about safety issues etc. Then the group uses the Green Hat Thinking (creativity) to _generate solutions to those problems and warnings._*
Far too often so-called Critical Thinking just instantly shuts everything down! What annoys me - as a problem-solver - is that such a person gets to score a point, bring everything to a screeching halt, and is then f*ing _smug_ about it. Yes, *Critical Thinking is often used as a **_pure power play._* The point is to *face the issue raised and forge ahead to **_dissolve_** it.*
I wish you the best in your work helping others in their requirements. :o)
Liberals: We mustn't say stupid people are stupid, it offends people who say people are too easily offended.
What could possibly be negative about having a terribly powerful man who is a raging narcissist, flagrant bully and a fanboy for authoritarians as the owner of the what is arguably one of the most influential sites in the world?
“Gr00mer” isn’t an anti trans slur, nor an anti lgbt slur. It’s about addressing *ideological grooming,* same as what happens to draw people into cults. I’m unsure if these people are disingenuous or really that obtuse.
A snarl phrase used by right wing conspiracy mongers to attempt to paint anyone in favor of children's education including anything related to the LGBTQIA community as being pedophiles.
@@aiai-j7i That was a whole lotta media-driven buzzwords! But congrats, you have successfully internalized the _divide et impera_ propaganda!!
Left wing conspiracy mongers push their own brand of fear and attempts at controlling others. “The right wingers are coming to kill all the trans people!!1!” “The people who don’t wear the (proven to be utterly useless) masks want you dead!!”
*_Grown adults obsessed with discussing sex & sexuality_* (of ANY variety) *_with children are the very worst kind of people;_* woe to those who can’t recognize that very simple truth. But those who encourage children to take harmful puberty blockers, HRT or to surgically mutilate their growing bodies will get exactly what they deserve.
Tribalistic Left/Right politics: sports, for people who like to tell you they read. 🤡
“The gang and the government- no different- it makes me 1%… “ - Janes Addiction
Great interview-going to purchase the book. Btw, Joan, I love your big silver hoops and your pendant-it’s like Drew Barrymore’s in The Wedding Singer!!! 💒 🎤 👧
I’m here in charlottesville Virginia and this behavior has definitely streamed to one of the local high schools. This schools football team has decided to sit this year out due to player’s participation in the sodomization of a gay student. It absolutely sickens you to think right wing propaganda has created this hatred
....BAHahahahahahaaaa.
"Right Wing Propaganda".
BAHahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa.
Another aspect that has bothered me is how simple and without real context it is. "If it feels good to be justified,go ahead!" No implications, consequences are that you magically get what you wish for. Horror show.
Loving Dreyfuss' colorful space!
This video segment itself is the opposite of a meme.
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@@RickMartinRUclips *2012
That's when the iPhone hit critical mass of popular adoption. That's also when Tinder came out, to say nothing of the quickening of Bitcoin or the end of the Mayan calendar...
Sometimes you get the face you deserve, really proven true in this video. Lmdo
Musk may be the west coast version of Trump. Much bluster! Thank you.
If glaringly obvious lies resonate with you, then you would be well advised to steer well clear of the internet.
9:52 "OK groomer," Is not a trans slur. It applies to any cis, hetero, trans, etc, men or women who are actively grooming children in a sexualizing manner that puts them at risk for pedophilia.
Grooming kids for pedophilia is not a hallmark of the trans community. Almost none of the groomer pedophile, predators on, "To catch a predator," were trans men.
Today we learned that the Trump campaign was workshopping “Stop The Steal” six MONTHS before the November 2020 presidential election.
We need more positive memes. I'm very tired of negative memes. While it's true that there's a lot wrong like legalized political bribery but there are good things as well.
Excellent
We need to send a clear message racism and racist language is not allowed in our society. GOP leadership needs to be shown the door and be repudiated for allowing the horrible discourse.
Vote blue midterms 🇺🇸 💙 2022 for civility and decency.
The Joker laughs as Gotham burns.
Like "I am the storm" which I thought was just a cartoon thing, but it was adopted by the extreme right. So, even a cartoon....
Elon Musk purchase of Twitter sounds to me like a movie script where a mad evil genius, who aspires to rule the world, now has acquired a device that will allow him to control the minds of others. 😰
I will never allow Elon Musk to control my mind. Elon Musk is a rich businessman...nothing more... nothing less. I am not intimidated by his wealth.
I've never heard of a meme that says: "It's OK to be white" I just looked it up. That is all it says. It IS thought provoking. It's not a vulgar sentence. How could that be a controversial saying? .....The reaction, I suppose, is part of the content...... Very thought provoking.
It's because it got tied to nazis and white supremists. On the surface, it seems innocent, as you say.
It says a LOT about the people decrying it. It’s okay to be who you were born as, imagine that. Very very few people who support “al lives matter” or this are anti-people of color. We just don’t want to be divided across racial lines. It can’t be acceptable to make hateful statements about people simply for being white (& it has been).
*Many* black & brown people realized in the past two years that BLM was a cash grab & a political tool, and we the pawns. Divide et impera: same gameplan for centuries, and it’s tragic humanity en masse hasn’t figured it out.
....Too Bad PBS is COMPROMISED.
Joan is the BIGGEST MISINFORMATION PROPAGANDIST EVER lol
Meme affect the weak minded much like the a Jedi can.
Agreed % 100.
The problems here predates the technology that highlights them. Insecurity, stupidity and fear are not new concepts. Is it the fault of the predator that prey emerges or the fault of the prey in presenting vulnerability? It is not the fault of the tools that the craftsman is inept.
No, social media has created something completely new in history. Throughout human history up until 1995-2000 only a tiny elite group of people - authors, analysts, academics, reporters - were allowed to publish: disseminate their ideas to the public. This is because traditional media was a capital-intensive industry. A newspaper or TV station had a financial incentive not to be partisan, slander people, or publish blatant lies.
Memes and “going viral” wasn’t a thing before 2005. Gatekeepers called “editors” prevented the uncontrolled spread of lies.
That is over now. Another name for an unmoderated peer-to-peer network is a rumor mill. The American people replaced reliable news media with something that has never existed on earth before: lightning fast continent-wide rumor mills/lynch mobs. It is destroying our democracy.
Lol people are offended by memes now 🤷🏼♂️ , I think I played WOW with these two 10 years ago .
Omg Emily!!!❤
wow you got a context message for having J6 in your headline.
Virtual reality doesn't have a sense of proportion because it has no concrete presence. Ideas of its relative proportion are meaningless. Asking if memeA is more or less important than memeB is nonsensical. If you get trapped in a meme-go-round, concrete reality can be overwhelmed. When there is no sense of relative proportion, the reality of online gossip can seem more consequential than bludgeoning an old man with a hammer.
"You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price" (Chuck Schumer)
It's impossible to know what you meant to say by posting this quote without any adumbration or commentary but, since right wingers love to cite this comment as if it were some sort of vile threat and therefore proof "Dems" engage in the same kind of vile threats and uncivilized claptrap they do, I want to remind anyone reading this, how incorrect that is.
The phrase about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind, comes from the bible and isn't that different from another biblical warning about reaping what one sows, except it's more pointed. The "whirlwind" refers to the self-destructive nature of ill-considered, arrogant or rash actions ("the wind") and the likelihood they'll result in possibly even greater negative consequences for the person who takes them. It is an admonition to those so puffed up with hubris they are indifferent to the harm they cause and don't imagine their actions could ever come back to bite them in the ass. What goes around comes around ...
Chuck Schumer, when he directed his comment to the Supreme Court, was just calling attention to all that. He was admonishing them that, in their egotistical zeal to bludgeon the law into conforming to their idea of what is right (even if it meant sacrificing their honor just to get in position to do so) they should expect those they hurt to respond in such a way as to not only reverse their destructive ruling but to make certain such repulsive disrespect for good American jurisprudence could not easily be repeated and their ilk never trusted again.
@@nessunodorme3888 The Biblical Comment corresponds so perfectly to Nancy Pelosi's hybris, that what happened to her husband really looks like some kind of celestial consequence of her choices.
@@juliusvonmorgen9281 Just as I suspected. You were just regurgitating a right wing "zinger" without knowing what it even means.
@@nessunodorme3888 As said in the Bible, men of great knowledge may be the last ones to enter Heaven. Have a nice day anyway.
@@juliusvonmorgen9281 If you're so concerned about getting into heaven, maybe keep your "God was so mad at Nancy Pelosi he had a thug attack her husband" nonsense to yourself!
Silicon Valley Time Lords! Put some respect on it when you say it.
Dystopian Future?
Weird you didn’t have complaints until Elon bought Twitter 🥴🥴🥴
I'm tired of memes. There are a lot of 'me's in memes. Fuck memes.
The first amendment is out of control. Meant for reasonable people with morals and values and ethics which many people no longer have any common sense or filters
Really? The first amendment is a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT! It doesn’t matter if you have a filter or not, you “control” free speech, it’s oppressing the first amendment REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE!
@@theoriginalkrabbypatty not when it's inciting violence
An algorithm owned by a huge corporation harvesting data on us, and then pumping our feeds and search results full of conspiracy theories designed to turn us into extremists so they can get more page hits, is NOT freedom of speech. It’s behavior mod.
if you want to understand why Republicans are probably going to win next week read this excellent book by Adam Gopnik: "A Thousand Small Sanities: The Moral Adventure of Liberalism"
Well Marianne, eat your words.
any weak mind can be controlled. in most cases its low i q . in others its low morals a choice to pick evil over non evil. its wrong to blame the net.
It's the instrument that makes idiots
Fantastic interview
Yeah memes are scary, it’s scary that such an innocuous little thing can expose leftism stupidity so easily. I’d be scared too! LMDO
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Praise kek trump 2024
How do we stop memes? How can we support the government to make lies in political ads illegal with severe consequences? Freedom of speech must have limitations when the words threaten democracy, when the words are lies, when the words foster violence. Social media needs regulation as well. Now.
The problems are not the memes themselves , it's all the cynical politicians and right wing media who don't condemn and call out the lies for what they are.
Words threaten democracy? You're a good little knot see Linda.
Moonman said it best control the memes control the planet
C.I.A….Criminals In Action
Oh! Is that what a "meme" is? Pretending it was that way all along??
Yeah well memes are a political art 🖼 form you can never stop 🛑 the truth shall not be silenced no matter how hard you try to conceal it
Who is silencing what? What truth?
Your Looney alternative world lacks on thing= material, testable EVIDENCE. You claiming someone is "concealing" something isn't enough for a human with an actual brain...
Yeah well a lot of those memes are made up by guys sitting in their underwear in their bedrooms and seething with resentment against the entire world. For no good reason, I might add. Not a good place for the truth to see the light of day. I’ll take the New York Times and Washington Post instead, thank you.
Who said it had to do with truth?
Be sure you know the real truth.
IMPRISON THE TRUMP INSURGENCY NOW. LOCK THEM UP for LIFE!
War criminals Bush, Cheney, etc walk freely.