Can Carbon Fiber Survive a Hydraulic Press?
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2022
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Just a heads up, Established Titles is a scam, and you might want to reconsider using them as a sponsor. There have been videos exposing it as a scam, so just be aware.
How is established titles a scam?
@@isrealjason do research
@@DK-vb3so kind of seems like a bunch of you little kids don't understand the concept of a gag gift
@@isrealjason good video detailing how they said things like "official" and "legally" when describing being a lord or lady and owning land. I agree that it's fairly obvious it's a gag gift but they have only just started making that obvious themselves. ruclips.net/video/L2mpFc9lXR0/видео.html
@@Badger2 lol, thanks for the link. Lol do these people think someone is buying this than going to Scotland and trying to pass laws or something?
I swear the internet makes people autistic
Established titles is a scam. Mr Ballen discontinued his partnership with them yesterday. Just so ya know.
He can't help but take that sweet scammer money. I don't think they care if they are.
Was just about to see if he's sponsored by them.
Anything that needs so much sponsoring is a scam
They are sponsoring a lot nowadays...
Eevblog had brief debunk video if anyone want to check out
@@Sadik15B Anything that is advertised that heavily (almost every channel pushes it), should be avoided.
Think other 💉 substances also.
Guys! Established Titles is a scam. LOVE your content!
They don't even plant a tree in your name. So you really get nothing. If it was this easy to become a Lord everyone in the UK would have done this by now.
@@josiah7913 If you sell something to someone that's just a bunch of empty lies that's not honest or a joke. That's a scam.
@@josiah7913 you can't be a registered owner of a micro plot of land, can't be a lord or lady, no evidence of how many trees they've planted, only a commitment they will do. If they were upfront with their ads I wouldn't mind but all these RUclipsrs are making out that you will actually be a lord or lady and it's nonsense
@@HydraulicPressChannel myyt kusetusta oot ...........
@@tsm688 Sponsorships like this are usually done by contract. So they're obligated to do a certain number of videos with their branding, even if they don't stand by them anymore. Not sure if that's the case here, but it's common practice. Unfortunate, but not much you can do about it.
Established titles is a huge scam. I would seriously recommend looking into them.
I recommended ignoring them. Much simpler. Lots of people have looked into them already.
I'll never give anyone shit for taking a sponsorship. RUclips is an expensive career, and you need to take what you can get. Not to mention once you sign, you can't really back out. So no shade intended...
...but if I never hear about Established Titles again, it'll be too soon.
I would agree if they said something like "although you wouldn't officially be a lord or lady, it makes an interesting gift for Xmas and they're committed to planting a tree for every purchase"
But when they're making out it's all official and that you own the land etc it's all rubbish and I believe if they're quick enough to take their money without any due diligence then how are these any better than those pushing lootboxes or sh*tcoins?
Agreed with everything here.
Same goes for the YT Premium crap that Google is trying to shove down people's throats, we all know it means nothing in the end
The strength of a composite is largely determined by the direction of the fibers as composites are not isotropic. Carbon fiber may perform poorly compared to steel and aluminum if the wrong layups are chosen for a given test.
Carbon fiber has great tensile strength but very little compression strength. Notice that CF tubes initially fractured on the top where the ram pressed it. The tube that was crushed vertically was braided sleeve. All of the force was compression and that's why it completely disintegrated.
Yep, He needs to do a torsional/ non-crushing force type of test on an axis of the carbon layup designed for such loads to have a good test.
Wood is a great example of an anisotropic material. When I built furniture for myself and a few friends I soon learned how to take advantage of that.
And there are good and poor quality composite materials. I think a piece of carbon fiber composit used in a F1 car is way higer quality.
Good quality is most of the times expensive.
@@marcelh85 I do work in a local Boeing plant occasionally. We’ve been told the cost of CF that will be ruined if we evacuate the plant by accident (fire alarm). I can’t remember the exact cost per meter, but it was kinda shocking. 🙂
Just a heads up, lots of content creators are dropping Established Titles, as it has recently come out that they are a scam.
It was always a scam, people advertising it just weren't aware I guess?
The fact they say you are buying land, but you don't actually have any ownership of it, and they re-sell that land... is extremely unethical.
If it's a joke, then you make it clear it is a joke. The person getting unexpectedly 'pranked' should never be the purchaser, that's just fraud.
That said, as far as ads go, HPC did a hilarious job with this one.
Anni nailed her guess on the last carbon part.
Only luck:)
Came here to say that!
She really did!
You should have a challenge where entrants make bridges, platforms, and columns to resist the forces in these tests. The performance would be judged by press force per gram of structure. Any material is allowed.
I loved the bridge series you did before. It is definitely time to do another one. Provide specifications for the test apparatus (support/pressure point dimensions and free space clearances) and have people send their entries to country/region collection points to be batch shipped to you for destruction :)
Surely some of the engineering and maker RUclipsrs would want to collaborate in the competition.
There can be the main prize and also special prizes for explosion quality and aesthetically pleasing failure.
Lauri prints the structures from files sent to him, that way it's only the design that varies!
@@OpinionFactChecker yes, but what I want to see is the kind of exploration of design, materials, and methods which goes beyond this printed, single-material limitation.
Perhaps even have a separate class for entries that post a detailed build video (or series).
The old competition made sense, and was easy to do/control, but there is much more to be explored beyond that. It will be harder to organize, more entries will be destroyed in shipping, etc. But it will be endlessly entertaining and we might learn something too :)
@@christopherbrand5360 this has potential. mark rober would be a great person to get involved since he loves building things!
@@christopherbrand5360 one of the biggest problems is that the hydraulic press puts a since point load on the structure vs many bridges and designs that have to also need balance the load over the structure. I am pretty sure if we were to just do tests against the hydraulic press, a dome or sphere would be the best design.
For context here, there is an engineering professional society called SAMPE. Their annual student competition involves building bridges from composites and loading them in 3-point bend just like the first tests in this video. The best of those bridges are I beams made from prepreg carbon fiber, weigh something below 450 grams, and routinely hold more than 4100 kilos over a 58 cm span for a mass ratio of over 9000:1. In other categories with less constrained bridge geometry the ratios can go even higher.
I research these materials for a living, so if anyone has any questions on this stuff feel free to ask.
You should look up what established titles really is. It’s a SCAM!
What makes you say that?
@@jameslever3497 You should look up what established titles really is.
@@sootikins Or you could just tell me.
Oof, such bad timing with that sponsorship.
I wonder how much money established titles gives to youtubers because it's clearly a scam and most of youtubers are sponsored.
Do you use a ventilation fan? It occurs to me that you make a lot of dust from materials people don't normally breathe the dust from; and since you're doing it regularly, a vent fan might be a good idea if you don't already have it. The reason I thought of this is because I remembered that carbon dust can't be cleared from your lungs so it stays there for life (hence black lung disease) and I'm not sure about others like very fine glass particles, for examples.
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Keep the money from Established Titles then sue them for trucking you into selling fake land titles that could harm your reputation
They'll be fine. They aren't the kind of folks who would intentionally scam you. (HPC)
They should make carbon fiber wigs. I could tell my friends “this was leftover from a space elevator!”
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I know its a joke but just remember carbon fiber is strands of really small diameter carbon. Asbestos is in the same nanometer size and the problem is that it when broken can be breathed in and causes similar affects as to asbestos. It can lodge deep inside lung tissue and harden lung tissue.
Except carbon fibre isn't nearly strong enough for space elevators. Carbon nanotubes are what you're thinking of.
@@TheHuesSciTech Isn't carbon fiber pretty close to what failed carbon nanotubes would look like? I don't mean under a microscope, just to a casual, handheld inspection.
I really like Carbon Fiber! I have a CF suture holding the middle finger extensor tendon of my left hand together! Result of a "Close Encounter of the Worst Kind" with a sharp heavy (~ 10.5 Kg) piece of steel! Got me right on top of the knuckle! 😱
Established Titles is "Questionable"! Others that promoted it have now posted warnings on their channels.
Steel stronger than flesh.
Very cool implant mister cyborg man :D
@@kapytanhook He he! You'd be surprised how many of us now are "augmented humans"! Dentures, artificial knees and hips, various heart repairs (even artificial ones)! 😁
Carbon fiber is not used as a suture material. You are mistaken. Beyond testing for fixing hernias, there is no current use of carbon fiber in medicine.
@@johnd9357 Well, I guess the Orthopedic Surgeon that did mine was wrong, and the packaging that stated, "Carbon Fiber Suture" (I saw it) was mislabeled? Granted this was 45 years ago. What personal or professional experience do YOU have to support that assertion? 😠
Established Titles is indeed questionable. But if you actually ask the question, they can and will provide proof that they're legitimate.
Nice stuff!
But I think the diameter of the pipes do matter. If you have 2 pipes with the same weight and length - it can be either quite narrow with thick walls or wider with thinner walls. The wider one will be stronger when a bending force like that is applied. For the plate it would be interesting to know thickness (or the weight if it has the same area as the steel plate had). But anyway - fun to watch.
Yep the shape sure affects also. It's just really hard to source everything in same diameter and thickness.
@@HydraulicPressChannel Although having everything with the same shape and thickness would give a scientific answer what you chose was more indicative of the average material the average person would use.
So, you can have everything the same and be all sciencee.
Or, you can chose items the average person would use if say, building an addition on the house. By that definition it matters less if everything is alike but more if you building materials store has only those items in stock.
Just food for thought when explaining these press tests. 😎
@@HydraulicPressChannel Just messaging here too let you know established titles is unfortunately a scam if you look it up on youtube there are several videos covering it.
The weave of the carbon fibre also needs to be taken into account, it's a little like wood, cross grain it's much weaker than along the grain. But as always this isn't about scientific results it's about entertainment which you've definitely achieved :D
Nice to see Anni is back doing videos with you.
Established Titles is a scam
Oh no! Established Titles tricked them too!
Lauri: I think this is going to be the strongest one today. 25 tonnes.
Anni: Ohhh..... 10.
Wife wins and Husband lose.
You guys haven't gotten the memo about established titles yet?
Please look more into your sponsor because there's lots of information out there that it isn't what they represent. It won't take long to find a lot of information on them, even here on YT.
I hope RUclips creators collectively boycott Established Titles. It's a scam.
As usual, good fun. Instead of judging them by their weights, you might have considered comparing their price per performance.
You do know that Established Titles is a scam, right?
I would love to see some different steel alloys now, especially something like the kind of chrome-molly steel they use in roll cages and whatnot. Another interesting thing would be different weaves of glass and carbon fiber, I think you had the wound kind but there are other forms of tubes like rolled sheets with more fibers running at specific angles to bias strength. I also think there are some much higher end types of fiber glass that are supposed to be closer to carbon fiber in strength.
Could you try using mitsubishi KyronMAX?
It's the strongest injection moldable material in the world, it's a thermoplastic with randomly distributed carbon fibers.
I will try to get some of that for test
I see some reference to thermoplastic resin but I wonder if it's actually a thermosetting resin. Either way the result would be omnidirectional strength that cannot be obtained with conventional layups. Injection molding pretty much ensures maximum bond between resin and fibers no matter how intricate the details of the finished product are.
So everyone who owns a house in Scotland is a lord?
Only if you belive a Hong Kong company
Established Titles was recently exposed as a complete and total scam.
It would be very interesting to see a stainless steel tube vs a carbon fiber tube - both with exactly the same weight - comparison. Same weight being that each tube weight is the same. Then load the press!
Also, I think you should get a FLIR system for video recording where the heat goes in different objects when you load them with such pressure!!
Beware of the sponsor in this video it's a scam
"The promised Established Titles appear to be just a ‘digital certificate’ with no real value.
First, the buyers will not legitimately own any land in Scotland. In fact, these are not even recognized by the Scottish government.
Of course, this also means that buyers will not be able to obtain the official title of ‘Lord’ or ‘Lady’ through them. In fact, doing something like this is not legally possible, since the requirements are different"
Dang, it seems like there are more established titles ads now than before the "it's a scam video" went viral. Have they increased their pay?
Apparently that Established Titles thing is a total scam.
This was a fun one! Good job guys!
So very cool to see the Carbon Fiber Pipe and Cube crush like that .👍👍
Established titles has been outed as a scam.
You should do 2 huge neodymium magnets repelling each other and see how many lbs it takes to make them touch
Bad idea actually. You can get away with it with small neodymium magnets but Ive heard that huge ones would rather shatter than touch, and at that point the fragments either clump up or shoot out like some kind of railgun grenade
@@Gay_Priest Yeah, because this channel is afraid of things that explode 🙄
Don't listen to the other guy, it's actually a great idea.
Glad I'm not the only one curious lol
"Just because it's super satisfying" If that isn't the mission statement for this entire channel, I don't know what is 😁
The channel is awesome, the video is great, but that sponsor...
I'd rather listen to NordVPN's outlandish claims than Established Title's outright falsehoods. At least a VPN is useful for some things.
Ah cool, new video. Always nice to see new stuff. You make a litle mistake. The fiber tube in stand up condition has only 2900kg max force. The 6300kg that you said was from the fiber plate, you didn't reset.
apparently you guys didn't get the memo about Established Titles..
what if you made a tool that had a peg that that just fits inside the tube and you placed the tubes on upright on them, fill them with water, the have another tool that also fits just inside to come in from the top to see how much pressure they can hold without tearing apart.
The CF tube looked like maybe a little bit bigger diameter, which would help. The ply direction would matter a lot.
Very much so. Carbon fiber is strong based upon what it is going to be stressed at. You can buy different weaves and patterns to reduce further weight and strength on one side to made it very strong and light on a different axis.
Established Titles is a scam. We've been seeing a surge in YT ads for this recently, but it's just a big ripoff.
You should test multiple bars of the same size/shape/type of steel to see how various forms of heat treatment changes the properties of the metal.
You could make a pulley system or a ways to measure pulling forces, there i think carbon fiber would perform really well.
Nice video! Thanks!
I heard Established Titles is a scam.
Lauri, I'm disappointed you are flogging Established titles. It's a gimmick, you are better than that!
Video was likely shot and uploaded before the video exposing ET.
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We'll know if it happens again, or Lauri says as much in his comment.
Thought her name was anni
@@Badger2 Indeed the plots are too small for the land registry to deal with, they can not be sold. Also apparently the certificate is just a pdf document that you have to print and frame yourself.
@@rickrolledtruth5834 it is.
Love the channel, and out of interest of an unraveling distrust of Established Titles, I recommend you check out the most recent videos regarding them and deceptive marketing practices.
Perhaps you can also do wet carbon fiber vs dry carbon fiber to learn the difference. Thanks for the video.
That carbon fiber dust makes me nervous
Any kind of fibrous dust _should_ make you nervous. Asbestos, fiberglass, CF, Kevlar, nanotubes, they'll all get lodged in your lungs and never get out.
@@mal2ksc I've opened my attic and took a good Ole deep breath of fiberglass. Had a cough for a few weeks lol
You will want to rethink your established titles sponsorship.
I just heard yesterday that the "Established titles" is a scam.
suggestion - 2 inch pipes standing up, of all the different materials (steel, iron, copper, carbon fiber, brass, etc) -- i wonder if there are "solid" bars of carbon fiber? (like a filled tube, 100% CF?). I also wonder if it's the resin's strength you're actually testing when you smash CF in that direction. (doesn't it do the very bestl when being pulled in tension?)
Yes. Composites, especially carbon fiber, work best in tension.
In the tube bending test, the bottom side of the tube is in tension and the top side where the press piston touches is in compression. Thats why it's crumbling on top in compression and not tearing the bottom apart from tension.
For other materials that are stronger in compression than they are in tension, like concrete, it should be the other way around.
You can have a solid bar of carbon fiber, it would just matter on pressure and heat. You could heat and pressurize the carbon fiber to turn into a diamond or isometric graphite.
Anni was right at the end! 10 tons! 😁
Glad to know anni is back
Nicely done - not what I expected - but real :)
Stiff things tend to be brittle.
That's what she said!
@@OpinionFactChecker beat me too it 😂
Hey boss...yea the established titles thing. We still love you though
Anni back again - yay! Super interesting video.
When it comes to compression CF is just as strong as the resin that holds it together. To make a case for CF you need to test it for tensile strength.
Lmao dude, Anni @8:49. Is this what Lauri hears behind closed doors? 😂
So glad hearing Annie's voice again
8:53 carbon fiber tube to Katt Williams!
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Damn! bad timing for that sponsor. There's a big controversy about it atm.
Very interesting video BRO thank you:)
No dude. Don't get involved in that tiny king making ego trip.
If you take a piece of the flat plate (or even better stack several) from 7:35 and try to crush it like you often do with paper it might make a nice bang.
Thumbnail is literally a reference to the Heavy Sixer Atari.
now thats a lot of damage
ah the good old Scottish custom Established Titles refers to, doesn't apply as you actually don't own any land when you buy through them...
Bending: This is not fair comparison. The fibre direction is crucial.
Compression: These materials is used in structures with tension and not compression. If you need structure for compression just use a simple block of reinforced concrete 👍
Why not build a cradle so u get tension, that will challenge your hydraulic press.
A 100x100x5 RHS in carbon fibre can take 7 000 000 N = 700 000 kg in TENSION 🤌
Different wall thickness makes a huge difference
Try to press two magnets togheter if you wanna try strenght of the press and the materials combined
It'd be cool if you could do a torsion test with carbon fiber too, it's should rank high in a twist test.
hey you guys.... i think theres something going on with established titles being a scam.... might want to look into that
You should get a trophy for the most ads on a video
I have to say... "I love this sheet".
Annie got the square carbon fiber right. I am pretty surprise. A nice surprise.
Established Titles has been determined to be a scam company. It is at best a gag gift, but it does not make you a "Lord" or "Lady" by owning 1 foot of land, which you don't really own. As far as "preserving trees" they MAY donate to an organization that does so, which you could also do. SO BASICALLY, IF YOU WANT TO DO ESTABLISHED TITLES JUST PRINT YOUR OWN CERTIFICATE IT'S JUST AS VALID AS ANY BS THEY ARE SELLING YOU.
CF is generally strong in one direction and weak in another, the layout of the fiber is determined by how the piece will receive stress.
Video idea: Which country has the strongest rocks? Perhaps fist-sized samples can be sent and tested. Reasonable weight and dimension constraints would apply, of course. We've seen minerals years ago, but knowing which country really does have the strongest stones is important for society.
... You make the best commercials, by the way.
Established titles is controversial! Some RUclipsrs have pulled out of their sponsorship the last few days; proceed with caution and take a look into the controversy.
It's good to have Anni back more regularly. Somehow, the videos in the recent months without Anni were just lacking a little the usual funny energy.
I know that sound. It's same sound your tendons make when detaching under load. Not a sound you often hear, but a sound you will feel.
Do you know what angle the fibers are oriented at?
If you are getting super scientific, you should get a linear position for the ram. Then you can record load vs position and make stress vs strain graphs. You would get to see exactly where it yeilds.
8:48 That is so cool!
Wait a second longer and listen to Anni 😂
@@RangeRov49 lol!
Looks like much of what y'all tested was pultruded carbon fiber. It does have amazing strength for its mass but when it fails it turns into fluff like in the your vertical tests. Stuff that is made of woven cloth that laid in appropriate directions for the given task is much stronger, and usually an order of magnitude more costly.
Well stuff like Carbon Fiber always wants to be under tensile pressure! there it shines
Kool 2 vids today
I think the strength of the carbon fiber tube is in a twisting situation. Like in a drive shaft or prop shaft
Cool video :) on the other topic :) you could do a series "Cooking with pressure" :) and do some cool stuff that could actually be eaten :)
Ah, Established Titles, you’re going to find many takers I don’t think 😆
Now im curious about 30x30x3mm Square tube and then frame constructions with this
Anni's guess of 10 tons was soooo close on that last one!
I miss the extremely dangerous Extra Content at the end of every video and how you routinely had to "deal with it!" Please bring back Today's Extra Content!
Those had too bad viewer retention and they were hurting the performance of the videos in general
@@HydraulicPressChannelthat’s unfortunate! They were very entertaining. Keep it up btw! 😁
FYI, it's = "it is"
The word you're looking for is 'its'.
Love the channel! Just FYI google established titles "Scam" it seems the certificate means nothing. Gag gift that doesn't bestow upon the purchaser a title.