The Polygamy Question: A Mushoku Tensei Discussion
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The French president and his wife come to my mind every time people talk about Roxy and Rudeus like this lol 😂😂
You sir, have made my day.
@@talexratcliffe glad to hear it
This is such a good video how it explains the masterclass of writing in MT is, this is literally one of the first time after watching the second season of the anime made me re-watch the first season and enjoyed myself the whole time, catching stuff that gets brought up in S2, world building and stuff.
This is literally the first show that actually made read the LN after watching S2 and watching cut content from it, that is a achievement that shows MT was struck a cord in me I didn't know i needed, S3 is gonna be so good once it comes out, i just can't wait to see what happens next i just had to read the LN.
Good video!! People just can't appreciate good writing when they see it.
I'm glad you've found a new book series to read. The light novels are good, though they do drag in some places, but overall it's a really good series.
@@talexratcliffe yeah I'm not really a person who likes reading but MT was just different and it drawn me on to the characters and story.
People just not being able to separate fiction from reality again, just another day on twitter. kinda reminds me how people will see a character that looks like a modern day culture group a little bit and assume they are the same where they have their own culture and history in a fantasy setting.
I really hate this limitation in some people. Everything is "coded" this and "dog whistle" that. Sometimes a spade is a spade, and what your reading is meant to be taken at face value. Most modern authors I've read aren't capable of the subjective things they're often accused of.
Polygamy just disgusts me and it's even worse that Rudy cheats on his wife and asks his affair partner to marry him. ALL while not ever consulting his wife.
16:24. I haven't watched the Anime to this point, but as far as the source material goes (as displayed on screen), this is a profoundly unfair coloring of Roxy's position. She doesn't "seduce" (if that's the word we're going to use for the mere passing offer) Rudeus out of her desire for him, but rather because she is lead to believe Rudeus is facing an existential crisis (which they may well lose him to, and which may also cause casualties to the rest of the group), and female companionship is pitched in front of her as a potential solution. Roxy attempted to talk Elinalise into heading Rudeus's recovery, but through Elinalise's flat refusal and conversation with the others, it is made clear to Roxy that she's the girl on deck. Sure, desire was in there, but it was not a primary motivation, as seen in her willingness to allow "the love of her life" to bed her best-friend, right under her nose no less. Her primary desire was to save Rudeus by any means necessary, as demonstrated by offering him up to the group's "expert" as her first instinct.
I actually had a part in the original recording that covered this, but when I was editing the audio I made some errors in both takes. Leaving them in made it sound like Roxy was doing something she wasn't doing.
Due to time constraints I had to cut that section out.
@@talexratcliffe I see. I just felt like defending Roxy's honor, as so many people have taken shots at it, and of all the people in Rudeus's life, Roxy has repeated demonstrated the deepest and most pure love and loyalty to Rudeus. I could easily make an hour plus video essay on that point. (I know, I still have copies of the many pages I've written on this subject.)
A lot of people actually believe the same position stated in the video, and they further progress to talking about what a scumbag she is, as she take's advantage of Rudeus in his weakness in order to satisfy herself. Of course, if one reads the texts, without bias, and understandings what Roxy is fact offering, one realizes she sacrificed herself to bring him back.
By this point she knew he was married to Elinalise's grand daughter (which is 'one' reason why Elinalisa refused to do it), so Roxy's expectation was that after this indiscretion, Sylphie would banish Roxy from Rudeus's life. She also knew pregnancy was a real possibility as well. So she was signing up for a situation where she would never again see the man she had sacrificed so much of her time, energy, wealth, and effort to aid (taught him everything she knew [despite her pride], wrote him a **BOOK**, traveled across the world twice for, risked her life repeatedly in a dungeon and nearly died rescuing his mother, not to mention the expense of all this), and as a man she may of recently discovered romantic feelings for Rudeus, but never the less had loved him from the depths of her heart from the beginning; this she expected to lose. And on top of willingly losing the most important thing in the world to her, she was taking on the possibility of placing herself in a weaken state, of being pregnant, right as she would not have a home, and she would have a child who would forever remind her of what she lost. Roxy was not so randy, nor so foolhardy, as to willing lose Rudy, just so she could get her rocks off. This was a sacrifice, not an adolescent indiscretion; Sylphie even recognized it as such, and thanked her for it.
I will never understand the obsession with "real age", as though you can cut open a mind and count the rings to put a number on it. What makes real age? Your time being conscious? Are people who sleep less older then? Is it memory? Am I only 5 because my memory is shit and I can barely remember anything?
I would think that we focus on age because it gives us a ballpark figure to estimate mental maturity, which is what really matters. But surely maturity should precede age. Rudy isn't a 30 year old man in the body of a 16 yo, he never became that 30 yo man, that's the entire point. Rudy in his old life was a 16 year old in the body of a 30 year old. His body now fits his mental age.
Imo, I'd be MUCH more uncomfortable with Rudy being with a grown ass woman than him being with Sylphie.
Exactly this!
You earned a lot of respect from me for this video. I'll be watching other video's of yours too now. 👍
I'm glad. I just cover what I want to talk about.
Having read the Paul Gaiden, I can say that Paul became attracted to Zenith in the romantic sense because she reminded him of his late mother: beautiful, kind, warm, and nurturing. His mother was the only person he ever loved and felt loved by. Her death deeply affected him and served as the final fuse for the incident that saw his exit from the Notos house.
Zenith was the only member of the party he told his life's story to and she fell for him.
I didn't know there was a separate story for this. I'm kind of stuck under a tbr pile that shadows my house. I really want to check that out, but I have so much stuff on the docket and I review everything I read and I don't want my channel to become too one note. It's why I haven't made anymore shad videos.
Maybe I'll sneak in some more Mushoku Tensei stuff in my Friday videos.
Thats why i always say you must always have a healthy separation between fiction and reality cause if you dont you won't have any fun or be entertained
I would also like to point out that Mushoku tensei is for more mature audiences cause of all the controversial topics i dont recommend it to newcomers
@tensazangetsu465 it's great isn't it.
@@talexratcliffe yes I'm currently in the 22th novel rigth now its,absolutely a masterpiece
@@talexratcliffe alot of people complain about the mature content and controversial topics
Like bro if your not mature enough to watch it go watch Veggie Tales or something
Veggie tales is too spicy for twitter/X. It talks about stuff like honesty and god, and too many people aren't ready for that.
An interesting talk. Most people i find don't even give light novels a chance or the exact opposite and they are so buried in anime culture they have no standard of quality writing at all. I found myself enjoying Mushoku Tensei as well and its nice to see someone else who does. A very interesting topic as well, I think that the polygamy in Mushoku works well for the most part and its also really nice to see characters that actually have character. I think polygamy can work but its the exception not the norm. I just put in an order for your books on amazon I look forward to reading your work. :D
I don't read light novels often, but I'm also cautious about Western books.
I hope you enjoy my work and let me know what you think. I learned a lot from a live reading I sat through, and I'll be interested how that comes through.
@@talexratcliffe I feel you, its so hard to find books because it can be hard to fit a book much less a series into a busy schedule, so you have to be picky. I miss back when i was in elementary through high school. My parents were very against any form of screen entertainment so i lived at the public library and read damn near the entire fiction section. Now as an adult I've got access to screen but also work and so little time for books. :( Audible is a wonderful creation makes me actually happy to drive anywhere.
This is such a good underated video about Mushoku Tensei!!
Personally I've only ever read the manga and have started and dropped it a few times for multiple reasons like all the slice of life stuff that really drags it down for me. But nonetheless this was an interesting topic to make the subject of the video and found that perhaps I didn't give this story enough credit for it's world building. So thanks for the upload!
I'm glad you liked it. The slice of life stuff does drag at times. Especially when your in the novels and a whole book is about the supporting characters.
The Warriors of the Desert is one of my favorite chapters, because I got myself thinking in this model of society for a few days. 🙃
From the Disk to The Six-Sided World! Greetings fellow traveller
Greetings!
What greater joy than to travel far and sample all.
@@talexratcliffe No greater joy, indeed.
I look forward to diving into your backlog and greatly anticipate your future works.
My problem isn't the polygamy part personally. My mates and i were more annoyed with Sylphie's characterization, which has been a problem for quite some time, and this just emphasized it, as she's written as a doormat. Her husband promised to be faithful, and he cheated on her. Her excuse is that she expected it, and wasn't bothered too much. We found the best part was when Rudy's sister chewed him out. Personally, it would be nice if there were more consequences, but Rudy has only had a few of those. I think it would be preferred if these marriages both failed, and then he could get multiple wives down the line instead, ones that are introduced more naturally into the relationship(s)
20:39. That would make him mentally the **same** age as Roxy.
Technically yes, but that's not what it would look like to people who know them, but the six sided world doesn't seem hung up on it. It's one of those things that bumps up against our common sensibilities. It's weird but it makes the story fun to speculate about.
@@talexratcliffe I thought from the context of the video, technically was what we were talking about. As far as what it "looks like," Roxy "looks" younger that Rudy at that point. (Roxy looks 14 and Rudy is 16.) But yes, I agree, the author does a great job of creating a very dynamic and engaging world.
29:52. There is a deeper reason Rudy is just like his father, but I can't get into it, as it has to do with information not yet available in the Anime.
I feel your pain friend. I too burn to discuss the later story and can't.
I know someone who trashtalk Mushoku tensei for it's polygamy but idolize western film where the girls have multiple body counts lol
The polygamy did catch me off guard. One of the things I read for is to be surprised.
That said, permiscuos women are so common in modern fiction that it's almost the norm.
Thank God for that rich cryptobro who loved the webnovel so much he's single-handedly funding the production of the show.
Is that really what happened?
@@talexratcliffe Yeah one of the guys who was in early on BitCoin when it was still worthless was working at some fast food place and the webnovels basically where his favourite story and when he got rich he made a deal to fun its production, which is why the adaptation doesn't hold back.
Wtf I gotta know more what do I need to search?
@@fuhkyu8146 Honestly the guy's extremely reclusive and we only even know he did it because he revealed this on 4chan by posting redacted documents proving he has the money and paid several million to the companies involved in the production, he's secretive which makes sense but also wanted those in the community to know why this adaptation was happening to assure people it'll adapt the whole series and keep going all out on being faithful.
20:00 Does "death" not mean anything or something? The man died in the Japanese world and was reborn into a brand new world. Even if he has his past life memories he's still 16. I've came across this argument several times now and it baffles me.
As for Roxy, idk... i see it something like Aragon and Arwen. Aragon's 80 but Arwen is over 2000 years old. Both look late 20s early 30s.
These are the questions that make this difficult. A lot of it is based on our cultural and legal norms.
Honestly, Rudy and Roxy are probably the one relationship most people shouldn't have a problem with. Even if they're kinda weird.
I don't mind polygamy as long as they don't pretend the women like it: In harems the women hate each others guts and have complex heirarchies to show whose children inherit. Murder of competing women and children is normal, especially if they threaten your own child's future success. Any polygamous scenario where they women are all equal and love each other insead of first wife, 2nd wife, 3rd wife( who may as well be a prostitute) is very unrealistic. In harems the women are enemies who live together.
Roxy also ages slowly. I would say she is closer to her 20s. Also he is definitely not overpowered just gifted cause of his head start, his lack of experience gets him in trouble alot more than any mary sue I've seen
He's only got a touch of the Mary Sue, and he is overpowered. Not a story breaking amount, but his chantless casting and ability to multi-cast makes him stupid strong. These aren't unheard of, but extremely rare.
He's not so over powered that no one can beat him, but compared to other people his age or even ten to twenty years his senior (physically) he's way stronger than the world's convention dictates.
@@talexratcliffe nah in the asura kingdom he gets his ass handed to him by sword emperor and sword god and they aint even in the top 10 list of characters
A very good point, but sadly I'm still not entirely convinced.
As weak of an argument as it is, it's more of a feeling and presentation that I'm getting. I do like that Rudy is kept in check, and I understand he's in that special group of rare people in this world who are a bit too powerful to feel natural. I still get a bit of a Mary Sue impression.
It could be because he's surrounded by people considerably more mundane than himself.
@talexratcliffe I'm just getting into the series after putting it off, but doesn’t it show Rudy learning to do the things he does? He's probably got other things that make him marry-sue ish but being overpowered isn't enough to be a mary sue imo. As long as he isn't breaking the established rules of the universe without consequences or explanation or the universe is bending itself to make him succeed regardless of logic.
Interesting take on how Mushoku Tensei approaches the subject and how well it integrates it into its worldbuilding and story.
it's not the polygamy that's bad, it's the fact he cheated on his wife and got another wife despite promising her that he would be faithful, if he went into his first marriage, declaring his polygamous intentions from the start without forcing sylphy into it, he wouldn't really be criticized
I can agree to that. It would have been a much different video on the subject if he had. I do like how it was used to establish how much like his father he was, and how sometimes you just fail at what you try to do.
But also yeah, I really wasn't happy about him cheating on Slyphie. She's my favorite.
SOME anger from her would have been better. welcome Roxy and be ok... turn and slap him for breaking his promise "you deserved that" "yup totally deserved that"
It should be noted that Sylphie already knew this would happen, and was just surprised it happened on that trip
It's a personal failing of Rudy to live up to his own self-imposed standards that he feels bad about, not something with massive consequences the story is simply overlooking to excuse a harem. Even having Norn be so against it is a pretty big concession to allow for it to be criticized, considering the hypocrisy of that
His wives do form an unofficial pact that when he leaves one goes with him, just in case.
Grayrat blood and all.
@@Lazypackmule she, already knowing this would happen doesn't excuse it, he gave a promise and didn't fulfill it and had the gall to ask for roxy to be his second wife before even asking forgiveness from his wife, the author is just inserting his harem fantasy at this point and disregarding any realistic reaction that could arise from rudy's actions, Norn was right in being angry at rudy, in fact, she getting shut down with the "well paul had two wives too" was absurdly stupid and don't forget rudy might've the body of a 16 yo buy he is still 50.