@heavymetalmastr I cant improvise very well, neither on guitar nor with my speech, this is true. Lucky for me i dont play a style of music where im required to improvise. Whether my band sucks live or not would really depend on who you ask, but apparently Guitar World thought it would be worth having me do several lessons, so i guess they didnt totally hate us haha. In other news im sorry your life didnt work out for you, and since you are 34, you can thank the law of averages for that one.
love what misha has to say about holdsworth. everybody always focuses on the legato thing, but where allan really sets himself apart is the alien way he goes about composing. the melodies, the chord progressions, the harmonies - nobody else writes shit like that, so beautiful and strange.
Petrucci described it pretty well when he did an interview with Metal Injection a couple days ago. Most of these youths (myself included) started really picking up their playing (mostly guitarists) right around the time that stuff like RUclips and Guitar Hero gained a lot of momentum, and so there was this mentality of becoming the best and being the most technical, so we turned to progressive music, and musicianship and gear/production knowhow started becoming the new black
Honestly, at this point "djent" describes both the mid-range chug sound and either a genre or a movement. Most of these bands share similar characteristics: largely influenced by Meshuggah, but also often coming from a "core" mentality with breakdowns and screams, emphasis on groove, most start out with bedroom projects using digital amp modeling, likely to upgrade to an Axe-FX, super mid-boosted guitar tone, a "futuristic" sort of aesthetic overall in logos, art, lyrics, and sound...
When it first came into existence, death metal was just thrash metal with a different vocal range, but we still call them two different genres today as they evolved separately. The same applies here. Djent may just be prog with a different style of guitar playing (and let's admit it, the "djent" sound isn't the only iconic sound of the djent genre). But there is a definite distinction, and it will become more apparent over time, if it isn't strong enough already.
***** Why do you even see rivalty between the artists? Misha can still be influensed by all these artists. And another thing, how did this apply to the previous comment?
@Periphery I didn't notice the "like" thing at all. I actually thought you articulated your thoughts about Holdsworth and Mushuggah much better than I usually do when I'm trying to turn someone on to it. If you do read this by the way, do you ever write drums first then try to shape a colorful / melodic riff over the top of it? I find programming drums on a grid or drumming with my fingers I can get rhythm structures I never think of on guitar.
i like how he gives it up for guthrie govan, meshuggah and others. this guy has zero ego compared to alot of guitarists and songwriters. mansoor consistently states in interviews that he is not a theoretical, technical guitarist and that his recording and production techniques are self taught. he has done very well considering this and people should respect him for that alone.
saw alan holdsworth twice! my dad got me into alan holdsworth a few years ago when i was in middleschool, now i got him into metal haha he loves periphery, volumes, veil of maya, etc.
@DamageIncM You're right about tuning not matter, but with this subgenre of metal, the string gauge and tuning play heavily into the tone that is created and is the foundation of "Djent". Therefore, in this specific subgenre, tuning does matter. Also, it would be different if Kirk was attempting to play something really techincal, but it was just power chords played on the third and fifth fret. I was playing stuff like that when I was 13 effortlessly. It was dumb. Its whatever.
@mitchell797979 No, they are made to look 'worn', If you look closely you can see its just corroded sections of the pickup that looks like plastic. Check them out on they're site, they're awesome. The look really cool in my opinion
I Am Colossus by Meshuggah VS. Have a Blast by Periphery. If you can come up with even a dozen VALID similarities between the two that are not completely obvious, (such as "tone", or "low tuning" or "odd groove") I would be delighted to hear them.
@Periphery Hey man, I'd heard about your band around Facebook and hadn't bothered to check out any of your stuff but then I saw these videos and I really wanted to check your music out :D and then I was out with my friend and we went into a record store, first album we saw was yours, he was straight on it! Just thought I'd say how much I really love your music, hope to hear more soon :D cheers
To me, Djent is a genre because it's a stylistic crossover between progressive metal and metalcore, frequently based on low tunings, low 0 and 1 bends and progressive technicalities like obscure time signatures and rhythms, syncopated riffs, unorthodox scales and chords. But that's just me. Also, notice that djent is used only in a certain area of metal, where as pinch harmonics and tapping is used all over the place. Not Wah though. That's reserved for Kirk Hammett only.
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you're right, that's how the term was originally meant to be used. But since then people have been using it to describe this kind of genre. I would say at this point is certainly is a genre, like it or not
@DamageIncM James Hetfield plays in standard E. He tried making a metalcore/djent album. It was called St. Anger. So, actually he can't djent with a single string. Kirk couldn't even play one of the most basic riffs of Some Kind Of Monster and got pissed off. It's on RUclips.
Omg..."Back when Korn was coming out"?? Is that what he said?? Holy shit I'm old...if that's what he said, holy god he likes Korn, and God damn I'm old...
You may have noticed, but metal doesn't do "bucket" genres like most music. When we say something is death metal nowdays, it's like saying death is the most prominent feature. Metal genres act more like "tags" now, which I'm perfectly okay with. When we argue for "djent" as a genre, it's like arguing for "djent" as a set of prioritized characteristics. The genres almost act like latin or greek roots (see "blackened nintendo-deathdoomcore.")
I'm pretty sure djent is a genre. Saying it isn't is like saying that slang isn't words. Just because a word isn't in a dictionary doesn't mean it isn't a word, and the same applies to genres. As soon as people begin to use a word to describe a style of music, you have a new genre. I understand that it began as an onomatopoeia, but regardless it has become a genre. I can listen to a song and immediately tell you if it is djent or not. That is the definition of a genre.
No, djent is just the name now. Bands we refer to as "djent" have common characteristics (tone, rhythmic structure, vocal ranges, etc.) making it a genre. Just because the name originates from onomatopoeia doesn't make it any less valid.
@fraterlucifer888 he does play 7 strings, half of their stuff is 6, and the other half is 7, hes just nervous as balls, he is quite possibly one of the most creative guitarists/musicians out there right now... don't talk shit about him if you don't know his work.
@ironmaidenowns Definitely not what he means. I think it's more in the context of hitting the right note for the right moment to create the perfect feeling you want for your music.
djent is an onomatopoeic word for a heavily palm muted double octave chord so no its not a genre, frederick thorendal from meshuggah also coined that term with that actual definition not to make a genre. doing that would be like saying "hey guys i just made a new genre... its called palm mute"
As the matter of fact, Djent is already a genre - you can't call Tesseract a Math Metal band (there's less metal in their music album after album). It's way easier to call all this music "Djent" then to try to remember that Meshuggah plays Groove/Math metal and some other guys play some-other-progressive-or-math-metal-sub-genre :)
Djent is a Genre ^^ All those people saying "umm, uuh, well MISHA said Djent isnt a genre" kinda become annoying... Its a genre because people use the word Djent to describe a specific kind of music, which is what you use a genre for...
@heavymetalmastr I cant improvise very well, neither on guitar nor with my speech, this is true. Lucky for me i dont play a style of music where im required to improvise. Whether my band sucks live or not would really depend on who you ask, but apparently Guitar World thought it would be worth having me do several lessons, so i guess they didnt totally hate us haha. In other news im sorry your life didnt work out for you, and since you are 34, you can thank the law of averages for that one.
"That's what djent is btw, DJENT DJENT DJENT DJENT"
love what misha has to say about holdsworth. everybody always focuses on the legato thing, but where allan really sets himself apart is the alien way he goes about composing. the melodies, the chord progressions, the harmonies - nobody else writes shit like that, so beautiful and strange.
Kyle S. Late reply but Holdsworth is such an underrated composer. He's niche but that doesn't make him bad.
Petrucci described it pretty well when he did an interview with Metal Injection a couple days ago. Most of these youths (myself included) started really picking up their playing (mostly guitarists) right around the time that stuff like RUclips and Guitar Hero gained a lot of momentum, and so there was this mentality of becoming the best and being the most technical, so we turned to progressive music, and musicianship and gear/production knowhow started becoming the new black
Petrucci and Govan...this guy gets it!
Pier-Luc Tardif and Alan Holdsworth. Those three are the essence of guitar music!
I'd love to hear all of "jetpacks was yes" taught. I love that song
Honestly, at this point "djent" describes both the mid-range chug sound and either a genre or a movement. Most of these bands share similar characteristics: largely influenced by Meshuggah, but also often coming from a "core" mentality with breakdowns and screams, emphasis on groove, most start out with bedroom projects using digital amp modeling, likely to upgrade to an Axe-FX, super mid-boosted guitar tone, a "futuristic" sort of aesthetic overall in logos, art, lyrics, and sound...
it looks like this "like" thing is getting me some extra press and comments! Thanks guys, as much as it is unexpected it is much appreciated!
@xlambxofxruinx no prob dude!! love keepin in touch with yall!
When it first came into existence, death metal was just thrash metal with a different vocal range, but we still call them two different genres today as they evolved separately. The same applies here. Djent may just be prog with a different style of guitar playing (and let's admit it, the "djent" sound isn't the only iconic sound of the djent genre). But there is a definite distinction, and it will become more apparent over time, if it isn't strong enough already.
@Yorcen It's actually a Bernie Rico guitar
Is it me or are those pickups really close together?
***** Why do you even see rivalty between the artists? Misha can still be influensed by all these artists. And another thing, how did this apply to the previous comment?
They're close together because it's a 27 fret guitar
Completely missed that, thank you
*****
No problem, it's kinda hard to tell without fretboard inlays!
He shows respect to he's master that's cool :)
@ironmaidenowns No. Often playing the most powerful notes means borrowing from other keys. Like adding diminished arpeggios to a minor tonic
@Periphery I didn't notice the "like" thing at all. I actually thought you articulated your thoughts about Holdsworth and Mushuggah much better than I usually do when I'm trying to turn someone on to it.
If you do read this by the way, do you ever write drums first then try to shape a colorful / melodic riff over the top of it? I find programming drums on a grid or drumming with my fingers I can get rhythm structures I never think of on guitar.
i like how he gives it up for guthrie govan, meshuggah and others. this guy has zero ego compared to alot of guitarists and songwriters. mansoor consistently states in interviews that he is not a theoretical, technical guitarist and that his recording and production techniques are self taught. he has done very well considering this and people should respect him for that alone.
@mitchell797979
No, that's the style of the pickup. It's doesn't have plastic on it. They're bareknuckles. It's a bernie rico jr guitar too
Is the twist in his guitar strap irritating anyone else? >.>
no man I'm here to see him talk I don't care about the strap, whats wrong with you
well now that you mentioned it...haha didn't even notice. Love the way this guy writes riffs
"Twist" by Korn just ran through my brain
now that you fucking pointed it out xD
It's driving me nuts
saw alan holdsworth twice! my dad got me into alan holdsworth a few years ago when i was in middleschool, now i got him into metal haha he loves periphery, volumes, veil of maya, etc.
Constantly focusing if the guitar strap will sit on it's place or not at his shoulder :D
@DamageIncM You're right about tuning not matter, but with this subgenre of metal, the string gauge and tuning play heavily into the tone that is created and is the foundation of "Djent". Therefore, in this specific subgenre, tuning does matter. Also, it would be different if Kirk was attempting to play something really techincal, but it was just power chords played on the third and fifth fret. I was playing stuff like that when I was 13 effortlessly. It was dumb. Its whatever.
@uofm97 yeah they're pretty awesome, I'm planning on putting some im my guitar
lol i love how he mentions guthrie. Guthrie's amazing at guitar!!
I was about to say Sikth. You can completely hear the influence in Misha's writing. Genius band.
@mitchell797979 No, they are made to look 'worn', If you look closely you can see its just corroded sections of the pickup that looks like plastic. Check them out on they're site, they're awesome. The look really cool in my opinion
Very very interesting stuff! Checkin out your band and ideas man! Found you through Keith Merrow.
I Am Colossus by Meshuggah VS. Have a Blast by Periphery. If you can come up with even a dozen VALID similarities between the two that are not completely obvious, (such as "tone", or "low tuning" or "odd groove") I would be delighted to hear them.
how can you get that effect?
isnt the name of the song "buttersnips"?????????
@Periphery Wait who controls this acount all of u guys or just mostly Misha
@Periphery Hey man, I'd heard about your band around Facebook and hadn't bothered to check out any of your stuff but then I saw these videos and I really wanted to check your music out :D and then I was out with my friend and we went into a record store, first album we saw was yours, he was straight on it! Just thought I'd say how much I really love your music, hope to hear more soon :D cheers
whats the bristish band that he calls, broken up six? sick? cant find it
Sikth
Sikth
THEY BROKE UP? SIKTH? OH DEAR LORD.
Lucas Jenkins
They actually reunited in 2014
I noticed! Euroblast and Techfest had them on tour.
@225tommo so that style of pickup has plastic on it?
SIKTH!!! YESSSS thank u so much for mentioning one of the best bands of all time
what tuning is this six string in? is it tuned down to sounds like a 7 or just regular tuned as a six?
Dropped C, but with djenty tone
Drop djent
what was the band he mentioned at 2：46？
SikTh, they're touring this year
@TiffuZeless bernie rico, it was custom made
That guitar is a weapon!!!
3:48 what's the fourth note?
thank you!
@HurricaneTBag i don't know, can you count?
what band did he say from the UK?
To me, Djent is a genre because it's a stylistic crossover between progressive metal and metalcore, frequently based on low tunings, low 0 and 1 bends and progressive technicalities like obscure time signatures and rhythms, syncopated riffs, unorthodox scales and chords.
But that's just me. Also, notice that djent is used only in a certain area of metal, where as pinch harmonics and tapping is used all over the place.
Not Wah though. That's reserved for Kirk Hammett only.
you're right, that's how the term was originally meant to be used. But since then people have been using it to describe this kind of genre. I would say at this point is certainly is a genre, like it or not
this man. i agree with everything he says. ESPECIALLY about dream theater aha. he is a wizard
Also Tosin says it's a genre, so there's that.
@mitchell797979 nah, its the camo covers from BKP
@mitchell797979 those are distressed pickups.
What is the brand of that guitar?
@Periphery lol I didnt even notice it until now. Keep rockin Misha \m/
@uofm97 bareknuckle pickups come in housings like that
@Yameki Like...um, thanks!
i...enjoyed this video. LIKE!
@DamageIncM James Hetfield plays in standard E. He tried making a metalcore/djent album. It was called St. Anger. So, actually he can't djent with a single string. Kirk couldn't even play one of the most basic riffs of Some Kind Of Monster and got pissed off. It's on RUclips.
@ChucklesMginty well said!
Doesn't the master Tosin Abasi use it as one?
What is that guitar?! :0 Its beautiful >
Omg..."Back when Korn was coming out"?? Is that what he said?? Holy shit I'm old...if that's what he said, holy god he likes Korn, and God damn I'm old...
i was born 4 years after the first Korn album came out, and I'm about to turn 18. FEEL OOOOOOOLD
korn was thebshit back in the 90s, the first 2 albums were awesome.
Mishas amazing!
You may have noticed, but metal doesn't do "bucket" genres like most music. When we say something is death metal nowdays, it's like saying death is the most prominent feature. Metal genres act more like "tags" now, which I'm perfectly okay with. When we argue for "djent" as a genre, it's like arguing for "djent" as a set of prioritized characteristics. The genres almost act like latin or greek roots (see "blackened nintendo-deathdoomcore.")
what tuning is he in?
This IS inspiring.
guitar?
I'm pretty sure djent is a genre. Saying it isn't is like saying that slang isn't words. Just because a word isn't in a dictionary doesn't mean it isn't a word, and the same applies to genres. As soon as people begin to use a word to describe a style of music, you have a new genre. I understand that it began as an onomatopoeia, but regardless it has become a genre. I can listen to a song and immediately tell you if it is djent or not. That is the definition of a genre.
what amp are you using in this video?
No, djent is just the name now. Bands we refer to as "djent" have common characteristics (tone, rhythmic structure, vocal ranges, etc.) making it a genre. Just because the name originates from onomatopoeia doesn't make it any less valid.
@fraterlucifer888 he does play 7 strings, half of their stuff is 6, and the other half is 7, hes just nervous as balls, he is quite possibly one of the most creative guitarists/musicians out there right now... don't talk shit about him if you don't know his work.
Watching that whole video with him not touching that guitar was so beyond painful
2 :30 ish - he mentioned MESHUGGAH are years ahead of their time ~ thumbs up if you agree !
Nice
@FearlessSpinner djentleman. nice.
@thejoker1393 Meshuggah is like whiskey, it's acquired taste, i totally understand if you don't like it.
@ironmaidenowns Definitely not what he means. I think it's more in the context of hitting the right note for the right moment to create the perfect feeling you want for your music.
Yea that made sense
Is that even a seven string? And how many frets are on that guitar?
what guitar is that??
@bechboy94 It's a Jekyll.
the second part of your comment contradicts the first
I'm so glad he thanked my boys Sikth. Nice one Misha
he's strap is twist in this video aswell
@GuitardedMark And that might be...?
Love for SikTh! Yes!
This whole time when he was talking about Govan and Holdsworth I was just hoping he would mention Shawn Lane.
Like Uh Noise-gate Mic etc
nvm 3:42
I could've sworn I heard a wrong note when he was playing the 4-note power chord.
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10/10
Completely valid argument, good facts, perfect syntax.
@Periphery Fuck em, thank you very much for the lesson Misha. Much appreciated.
@wolfman109h It's not. I just happened to be on here.
Also that being said, if you check all six of chris broderick's chaos theory videos he totals only 58 dislike.
djent is an onomatopoeic word for a heavily palm muted double octave chord so no its not a genre, frederick thorendal from meshuggah also coined that term with that actual definition not to make a genre. doing that would be like saying "hey guys i just made a new genre... its called palm mute"
As the matter of fact, Djent is already a genre - you can't call Tesseract a Math Metal band (there's less metal in their music album after album). It's way easier to call all this music "Djent" then to try to remember that Meshuggah plays Groove/Math metal and some other guys play some-other-progressive-or-math-metal-sub-genre :)
@druggedontemptation He talks about Meshuggah for ~40-50 seconds before that. People should know if they watch the video..
@Periphery -- Like... Fucking kickass!!!! Thanks for be wicked meng!!!
Djent is a Genre ^^
All those people saying "umm, uuh, well MISHA said Djent isnt a genre" kinda become annoying... Its a genre because people use the word Djent to describe a specific kind of music, which is what you use a genre for...
@QuantizeMusic LISTEN TO THIS GUY!
Agree. At most djent is a style, but it's basically just progressive metal.
@hoang1428 hmm.. thx.
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"Oh, you...."
@Patinator37 IF I SAY LIKE JUST ONE MORE TIME THAT'S 48 LIKE'S IN THIS FUCKIN' RHYME!