A great Sci-Fi movie that helped answer some of our questions and gives a solid ending that leaves a lot more to be explored! Thank you all for the support!
Probably one of the better sequels out there. Although definitely not superior to the first movie, it still works, and still keeps the viewer riveted with tension. I kind of wish that this series would be continued, with "Odyssey 3" and "Final Odyssey" being books in the series that were never turned into films. Definitely could be done nowadays, I just wonder if there's anybody out there who would be interested in doing it.
Sceptic, nocive friends. Answer : "well, we can Always light UP Jupiter" What ?! Noooo... ??? Yep... And suddendly, research & astrophysics is in their mindset. It's awesome. Yesss ! Lol' 20 years at it. Still grabing more. Must be doing something right. Thanks you Peter Hyams, you rock.
After rewatching these with you, I’m reminded at how refreshing it is to see a sci fi movie that is story and acting driven. No monsters, no murders, no gore, no terror. Just a good thought provoking script that inspires conversations.
Never have I seen this sequel mentioned when an article mentions "2001: A Space Odyssey" and reveres it, while this movie is a gem in itself and very true to the original. A third installment would not be wise, third book deviates too much from "reality".
Fun fact: Arthur C Clarke is the man feeding the pigeons in the scene in front of the White House Fun fact: The two men on the cover of Time Magazine is Arthur C Clarke and Stanley Kubrick
About Arthur C Clarke feeding the pigeons, I did't know that. So thanks, I will go check it out. I always knew about the magazine cover, but not that one.
Yes that was a good endorsement from Clarke. I also heard that Peter Hyams the director, contacted Kubrick to get his approval, before taking on the project.
One of the big advantages of 2010 vs 2001 is that by 1984 we actually knew what Jupiter's moons looked like. It was the discovery of Europa's ocean that inspired Clarke to write the sequel in the first place.
Peter Hyams actually went to get Kubrick's blessing before making 2010 and some advice and Kubrick said, paraphrased: "Just go do your own thing and you'll be fine." And I think it turned out well.
This is such a solid sci-fi flick and if it were a stand alone movie I think would have received a lot more fan fare, but it naturally suffered from being compared to the masterpiece that is 2001.
I saw this before I saw 2001. It happened to be on TV and my dad was cool enough to let me stay up and watch it. I can report it was great as a standalone movie. When I watched 2001 a couple of years later, I found it a bit boring. Yeah, I am the person that enjoyed 2010 more than 2001.
To be honest I think it actually makes 2001 suffer by comparison. 2001 is a great art film, a statement - but as a complete story telling experience? It's utterly and completely terrible - long spaces where nothing happens but Kubrick's patented filmic wankery. Don't get me wrong - patented filmic wankery is great for what it is in limited doses. That being said 2010 is a far better story and it still looks frickin fantastic,. The design of the Leonov (done by the great Syd Mead of TRON, Blade Runner, Aliens and several other films - RIP legend) actually inspired the crew behind Babylon 5 a decade later for the desing of the Earth Alliance Omega class destroyers with similar rotating sections.
@@ganjiblobflankis6581 You wouldn't be the only one who liked 2010 more. It's meant to be a film to enjoy just for the characters and story in my opinion, rather than all the artistic flairs of fancy in 2001. The special FX and sci fi plot of 2010 makes some great icing on the cake besides. Not to mention its cast is a lot more engaging and watchable than the somewhat cold performances of all actors in 2001, with a very recognisable list of actors from Roy Scheider, Helen Mirren and John Lithgow to name the most notable.
The monoliths accelerate evolution leading to intelligent life - so the first one we saw in 2001 triggered the transition to tool use and hunting, and the one Bowman encountered triggered his own evolution to the Star Child. Then they turned Jupiter into a star for life on Europa to have a chance to develop sentience. The warning for humans not to attempt a landing on Europa is like an externally imposed version of the Prime Directive from Star Trek
Having a small star, at Jupiter’s orbit (and orbiting the Sun), changes Mars and the outer planets (Saturn, Uranus, Neptune). Becoming a variable light/heat source (freeze/thaw/gas cycles).
The book explains that the reason for the creepy voice dilation when Dave Bowman said “it’s full is stars” is because he was traveling at 10% of the speed of his signal. The pod traveled inside the monolith at 10% of the speed of light!
This movie was made only five years after Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 performed their flybys of Jupiter and took the first high definition images of Jupiter and its major moons, including Io and Europa. The filmmakers were able to use the new information to accurately depict Io with its active sulphur volcanos, the reason for the sulphur dust covering Discovery.
Its hard to imagine a time back before we had those glorious images. Some special mention should be paid to the Pioneer probes as well. Some people think as the time between 1975 and 1981 as the dark times of NASA, but they still did some amazing stuff, even if it was all just unmanned.
Context matters when viewing this movie. In December of 1984 when it was released; The Soviets had boycotted the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles. Nuclear missile reduction talks had broken down for over a year, and the political atmosphere was hostile between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. During that Christmas season, this movie came out with a hopeful ending between the two superpowers, instead of the actual tension that existed during that phase of the Cold War. I remember the audience cheering at the end, in that theater in Torrance CA. The 1980s end of the Cold War, especially the early 80s felt like nuclear war was ultimately inevitable. That's why this movie had a positive vibe to it, the possibility of hope.
Also, the year before the Russians had shot down a Korean airliner and killed 300 people, then worked themselves up into a state of paranoia about an NATO military exercise Able Archer, and convinced themselves it was the cover for a secret NATO attack on Russia (it wasn't). And although we didn't know it at the time, during this exercise the Soviet Early Warning System suffered a glitch and issued a false alert. The officer in charge should have launched an all-out nuclear strike in response but was suspicious and investigated further, discovering the false alarm. His name was Stanislav Petrov and we are all alive today because of him.
Indeed the one aspect of the film that's pretty dated is the fact it's set in 2010 but the Cold War is still happening. But to be fair, it's hard to blame 1980s script writers for believing the Cold War would stretch into the 21st century. Few people alive at the time would have ever guessed that it would end seven years later.
This is such a solid film on its own merit. I watched this at a theatre in Hayward, CA as a young teen. The Cold War component of this film felt so real at the time.
Totally. The Cold War backdrop in the film was so very ominous, because it defined the 24-7 reality we were all living through at the time. It really sucks you into the movie.
Seeing the "Very Large Array" at the beginning of the movie made me think the next movie you should watch is "Contact" which is a similarly themed movie that has an iconic scene that was filmed at the "Very Large Array"! Contact would be the perfect movie to watch next!
AND after Contact, the movie to watch is Arrival (2016), directed by Denis Villeneuve, starring Amy Adams, Forrest Whitaker, and Jeremy Renner. Both must sees!!!
@@scottjo63 I think "Arrival" is great movie but after "Contact" I would go with "Interstellar" becuse Matthew McConaughey is in both movies & I'd follow "Interstellar" with "Gravity" and "The Martian"
I didn’t like “Contact” much but Jodie Foster is very good in it. The VLA is very much worth a visit if you’re in that part of the world, but there isn’t much else out there. You’re just driving down a state highway and all that appears in the distance. We were tempted to stick around over night and see it at sunrise but we had places to go.
It also shows the Arecibo dish, which we just lost last year due to neglect. That movie is also based on a novel by Carl Sagan, who also started the SETI project. I had read it before, and when the movie was announced I was excited to see it. The movie does the book justice and Jodie Foster was the perfect choice for Ellie Arroway.
Before the movie went into production, Peter Hyams had a long conversation with Stanley Kubrick, basically asking for his permission. He said he wouldnt have made the movie without Kubricks blessing. And Kubrick basically said: "Sure. Do it. I don't care." Another time he also said "Don't be afraid. Just make your own movie." And while he was writing the screenplay, Hyams stayed in contact with Arthur C. Clarke (who wrote the Novel)... via e-mail, which was a brand new technology at the time.
Tom Hanks wanted to do the two sequels: 2061 and 3001 (also based on the novels), including playing a familiar character in the latter film. That was 20 years ago and I don’t think they would’ve had the decent technology to make it convincing. I’m still hoping for the sequels to be made. You might love the novels too
I have read all the books, and I too would like them to make movies about 2061 and 3001. the Rama books by Arthur C Clarke would be great books to make movies about.
@@zpitzer I read them long ago. I remember the foreword of either 2061 or 3001, where Clarke apoligised for writing it, but he just had this fun idea. And in 3001 he *promised* that this was the last one. I'd really want the movie sequels, but it seems unlikely. The first two movies are so different and the second one didn't follow the novel very close. For example no Chinese ship. I guess Clarke's prediction of China as one of the leading space nations in the early 21th century wasn't plausible enough in the early 80s... Perhaps remakes from the start would be the best. But then, who dares remake a Kubrick movie? That could be career ending.
@JSB ""Art experiment in movie form" Huh? So many things wrong with that statement. For one thing film IS art..." True true, what I really mean to say was that parts of the first movie are so far beyond experience and context of ordinary human lives, indeed even special human lives, that it's meaning is not readily apparent. As opposed to regular movies that deal with experiences that are recognizable by a lot of people. A lot of people know the feeling of spilling their coffee, water, tea, whatever... Pretty much zero people (that we know off) know the feeling of becoming a digitized software entity travelling through space and time and in extra dimensions we don't normally see...
In the sequel novel 2061 we get to learn that HAL's consciousness has been transferred into the monolith with Dave's and their job is basically to observe and guide the evolution of life on Europa, so happy ending for HAL
I highly recommend reading the books in the rest of the series: 2061 and 3001. You learn more about Europa, and also find out what happens to HAL and Dave after this movie.
I agree, you definitely should read the next two books. It basically explains a lot about the monolith, creation, life, what is life and much much more.
I agree, however 3001 gets a bit.....to much into itself if you know what I mean with how things are explained etc? Not to mention the ending of the book itself, which I never really liked sadly. I mean it's actually a good ending with a good payoff but just something didn't sit right with me and I could never figure out what or why. Maybe because 3001 was basically the "Poole" book and the Halman thing threw me off a bit. (Without putting spoilers I don't wanna say anymore than those two things) I dunno. Still, all the books are great reads and I still say it's up there with Foundation etc.
In the final Rama novel, they connected the monolith to the Rama spaceships. The 'creator' sent the monoliths out to seed planets, and Rama collects specimens.
Fun fact: In the Novel for 2010, we find out that when David Bowman was comforting HAL in the final moments before Jupiter destroys The Discovery, he actually convinced the intelligences behind the Monolith to actually save HAL by making HAL something very similar to what Dave became, partly because Dave himself felt somewhat alone being what he became, and partly because he forgave HAL for everything that happened in 2001 since it wasn't entirely HAL's fault. So to make a happy ending happier, HAL gets to live on as an immortal energy computer.
It's probably difficult for younger people to understand the severity of Cold War tensions between the US and the USSR from the 1960's throughout the 1980's. The screenplay for "2010" was written in 1983, which was the most dangerous year of the Cold War since the Cuban Missile Crisis. During 1983 there was the violent repression of pro-democracy movements in Eastern Europe, the Soviet shootdown of Korean Air Lines flight 007 (which killed 269 people, including 62 Americans and a US congressman) and the Able Archer incident in Germany, which nearly triggered World War III: ruclips.net/video/dZNoISRg494/видео.html
Although the Korean Air Lines flight was a tragedy, there was little surprising about it. At the rate things were going, I could totally see the U.S shoot down a Soviet passenger flight. Thing is, the U.S was able to isolate itself from the real risks and dangers going on on the Eurasian continent, and experience the whole thing as if they were moving toy pieces on a board game, without any of the high stakes that the USSR was likely experiencing at the time. The Cuban Missile Crisis did not arise out of thin air, as well. It was a response either to the U.S. or to NATO's aggressive stance toward the USSR. To say that Western politicians never stoked the fires of provocation towards their Eastern counterparts would be naive at best. I would generally take what Hollywood has to say with a truck of salt. From Ivan Drago (probably the most un-Russian-sounding name in film history) telling Rocky that he "must break him", to one of the Russian crew on this ship sporting a hippie-Lenin beard (all cosmonauts were clean shaven, to my knowledge) and wearing what I guess is supposed to be a October Revolution-style cap - it all plays like a cartoon. Can't humanise those Ruskies, though; or acknowledge the occasional faults of U.S. foreign policy or weak diplomacy, for that matter. : )
One of the biggest differences between the book and the movie is in the book the cold war is still on they aren't on the brink of shooting at each other. In fact relations seem to be rather warm and their is no animosity between the two crews.
@@userxl41drn301 Couple small points. This film is depicted in a time period that is several decades beyond the current events transpiring around it. Is it really so surprising, therefore, that Cosmonaut standards in Russia have changed? A female Cosmonaut was in charge of the entire operation. At no point in the 1950's thru 80's would that ever have been a thing. Because there is no evidence there was even a female Cosmonaut sent into space in the first place. So, taking that into account, is it really so unbelievable that a male Cosmonaut would be permitted, in that era, to have facial hair? Perhaps the USSR just does things different in 2010, as opposed to in 1983. We're talking a 27 year difference, so a lot can happen. Regarding the Cuban Missile Crisis, the entire thing was sparked by the United States parking Nuclear Missiles in Turkey, which was a US Ally at the time. This put nukes less than 700 miles from Moscow, which Russians naturally did not like. So Cuba was decided to be "their Turkey," especially after Fidel Castro, the communist leader now in charge of Cuba, basically threw his doors open to the Soviets, to plant their bombs (because he was paranoid that the United States would invade, if he did not have nukes to scare them off with). The whole thing was basically resolved (after the famous standoff, of course) by a treaty that saw the removal of US nukes from Turkey, and a pledge by the Soviets to not try and park any more nukes in Cuba. Castro, naturally, hated this decision, but what could he do?
Well, I'm not sure we should be jailing people for not liking this film. Let's first make sure we can get Democrats in the White House permanently. Then we can work on making it a crime to undervalue 2010.
The actress that plays Bowmans widow is Mary Jo Deschanel, the mother of actresses Zoey Deschanel (Summer in 500 days of Summer) and Emily Deschanel (star of tv series Bones) Max is played by the actor who played Peter Parker's landlord in the Toby McGuire staring spiderman films
I'd never noticed how Jaws-like the humor in this film is, plus the scenes with the son being similar and in some parts Bob Balaban being the Richard Dreyfus with Scheider.
I've been checking out a lot reaction channels in the last few months. They really depend on the host(s). While I enjoyed the episodes where you hosted alone, it really took off when Samantha started co-hosting. The recaps at the end with the two of you talking are great. The chemistry and back and forth are genuinely interesting. You're a great couple.
Slamming into another planets atmosphere hard enough to slow you down but not too hard so you don't explode, or too gentle and bounce off and end up leaving the solar system is scary enough in KSP, doing it in real life must be insane
Thanks, you guys. 2010 is not as groundbreaking and revolutionary as 2001, but it is still a good and thoughtful science fiction film in its own right. :)
Firstly I think you guys are the epitome of a perfect couple. And if you're into reading, these books go into way more detail and they are so mind-blowing.
I concur. I understand why they didn’t include it in the movie but everything that happened with the Chinese ship on Europa has haunted me since I first read the book umpty-leven years ago. If I ran Hollywood I’d try to come up with a way to dramatize it.
I hadn’t watched this film for decades until earlier this year. A very solid sequel to 2001. Another film worth a watch is ‘Contact’ with Jody Foster. Not a film that people talk about much but definitely one of my favourite hardcore SF films. Oh yes and ‘Apocalypto’. In my opinion one of the best adventure movies ever!
This gem perfectly shows how art and science can make beautiful bookends for each other. So glad you two checked out this gem. I still get goosebumps by that 'full circle' ending. When this flick came out the commercials were so overplayed. In high school science labs, we had our own "pull my finger" nerd bit. Someone would say that something is happening, someone unknowingly would say "what's happening?" only for someone to reply in a garbled-husky voice "...something wonderful."
I'm watching this (for a second time) 2 years later.... and just realized something. At 20:30, it's decided that Max will take a pod towards the Monolith. The thought hit me, that in the movie Armageddon, "Max" gets blown into space while drilling on the asteroid. When you said, "Bye, Max." I heard it not only in your voice, but also Steve Buschemi's voice. "Bye, Max." I wonder if, in Armageddon, Max's character was inspired by, or a Nod to, this Max being blown into space? Stranger things have happened......
See, I told you not to be too hard on HAL. He was a good guy really. The message: 'We are only tenants of this world. We have been given a new lease, and a warning from the landlord...." resonates on so many levels given the issues in the world today. If only there was a real monolith to kick some backsides.
The line my god it’s full of stars was in the book 2001. Not in the film . But it’s one of those key lines. I loved this movie. I saw it in high school. This was during the Cold War before Gorbachev. The Soviet Union seemed like this powerful implacable foe.
And now we have China to replace the Soviets. Perhaps scientists found something on mars. I've been terrified the last few months about current events going on but maybe it's all a show for something bigger to happen. Perhaps we're on the brink of something beautiful.
I saw this in the theater...two scenes were incredible for us old-timers: when we hear H.A.L. come back: same voice actor did the role as in 1968...chills. And when Kier Dullea reprised his role.
While I do like 2001 more still, I think 2010 is an incredible movie in it's own right and personally one of my favorite movies ever. Also one of my favorite sequels ever right up there with T2 and Aliens etc. All I know is, I just love the whole last act of 2010, and when John Lithgow starts screaming "It's shrinking, it's shrinking!" I always smile for some reason lol
You make an excellent point. Kubrick's donation was something to be experienced, much like a painting or a symphonie. 2010 was more storylike in its approach.
The Monoliths didn't eat Jupiter they kept adding mass to it causing it to gain the mass it needs to be able to start is fusion reaction and become a Star.
No they basically compressed its available mass of hydrogen until it achieved ignition of a self sustaining fusion reaction. aka stellar ignition. Basically the monoliths did the equivalent of what a tokamak is supposed to, but on a far larger scale. The books after the novel for this one detail that the Jovian stars life is very short (a thousand years?), so any change in mass would have to be very minimal.
Its the goof in this story , Jupiter getting mass to ignite it self , it still would be only a brown or red dwarf and actually have no effect on climate on earth . Tiniest red dwarf star (59 000 km radius) is smaller in size than Jupiter (69 900 km radius) , but has 85 times bigger mass , brown dwarf 13 times the mass of Jupiter. As a brown dwarf , there would not even be much bigger change to see Jupiter from night sky than now :-)
Holy cow! I was gonna go to sleep. SAL 9000 is voiced by actress Candice Bergen. 21:49 - actress portraying David Bowman's wife is Mary Jo Deschanel. Mother of Zoey and Emily Deschanel. 😀
2001 and 2010 are two of my most favourite SciFi movies. The story is crazy good and lets you dream about wonders of creation. Also a nice movie I have to suggest is Sunshine (2007). regards.
@@trhansen3244 violent? A rescue mission to the sun is violent? :D Never heard of it. There maybe is a fight between crew mates punching each other thats all of its violence. Its foremost a SciFi movie to enjoy.
My one complaint about _Sunshine_ is that it presents itself as a serious science fiction story, complete with the crew joking about how maybe an alien killed the crew of the last mission when they board it.... And then it just does the monster movie plot anyways
Main difference between the production of 2001 and 2010 was that Kubrick was making the movie literally as Clarke was writing the book. But 2010 had been published for some time before they made the movie, so Hyams was able to make changes to suit production needs and run time. For example,, the whole manned Chinese landing on Europa from the book was replaced by an unmanned probe from the Leonov in the movie. In the book, it was given that the monolith was a tool used by the higher intelligence to do whatever they needed done.
I'd always felt that the Monolith needed Dave to act as a mediator between its self and the humans so it hyper evolved him into a transcendent being and that the way that Dave spoke to Hal at the end, that maybe he could help Hal transcend as well.
In the sequel novel, *_'2061: Odyssey Three',_* it's explained that _HAL_ had his version of "consciousness" sort of uploaded into the _Monoliths,_ and that he & _Dave_ now act as guides & guardians to the new lifeforms on _Europa._ I hope that helped. 🙂
I feel like this film doesn't get enough love. It has a great cast as well. Roy Scheider, Dame Helen Mirren, John Lithgow, Keir Dullea. It's such an underrated gem.
Gee guys!!! This was exciting. I suggested doing this because NO ONE ONLINE ANYWHERE HAS DONE THIS. I was sure you weren't going to bother. So I'm watching a video and you pop up in the suggested video column. I clicked off the other video and came here. So, so much fun. Great movie. So not only did I get to see a reaction to this one, but it was you two, with your great way of commenting unobtrusively, and having a nice, substantial edit with great production. Wow, that was fabulous. What a great surprise!!! Love you guys!!! :)
2010! Way to go! It’s rare to find reactors to this 2001 follow up. I remember seeing this in the theaters and I loved it. I’m surprised more people don’t know about it.
The Film was a moderate success at by the box office making $45 million dollars against a $30 million dollar budget, and it was nominated for: Best Costume Design Best Sound Best Makeup Best Art Direction Best Visual Effects.
@@weldonwin Not familiar with that series. For many books, you have to wait for technology to be good enough. Could you really have made Lord of the Rings in the 70s? What I want to see make it to the big screen now is The Dragonriders of Pern. I think we are there for that one!
@@GregInHouston2 Okay, Rendezvous With Rama, follows a crew of astronauts as they explore a giant alien starship that is passing through the solar system (The titular Rama). Its been adapted into a couple of adventure games, but a movie adaptation has been in development Hell for decades.
@@trhansen3244 Also, the book does give over a rather considerable amount of page space to the sexual mores of late 22nd century man and the ship's doctor is, I kid you not, introduced through the Captain's musings on his personal theory that at least one space disaster was the result of the flight crew being distracted by the way a woman's breasts bounce in Zero-G
John Lithgow has played his fair share evil, psychotic characters during his career. In 2010, he plays a fairly normal and likeable guy. But It's this fucking role that gave me nightmares! His terror during the spacewalk really disturbed me as a child. This is a great sequel and great movie in it's own right.
Each time the monolith appeared there was an evolutionary leap forward. And I believe *HAL* was the last leap. However you wish to frame it - either as an entity in and of itself, or for mankind. Then of course there's what happened to *Dave.* But given he's an individual, I don't know I would count that.
You asked whether Earth would have nights once Jupiter became a star. The answer is yes, but the night cycle would become complicated (a lot fewer full nights, a lot more dim nights) depending on where Jupiter/Lucifer is in the sky. The novel of "2010" covers this in some limited detail.
Jupiter would be a brown dwarf , even for that it would need to have at least 13 times more mass and it would not have hydrogen fusion , it would be burning deuterium . It would not be much different on night sky than Jupiter is right now . Smallest red dwarf has 85 times the mass of Jupiter , even if its only the size of Saturn , that like the smallest proper star that has a hydrogen fusion going on . Jupiter is 2,5 times the mass of all other planets orbiting sun and its still only 0,001% of the mass of the sun . to give some scale .
@@pete_lind My recollection is that the monoliths are absorbing Jupiter's atmosphere and compressing it much more than gravity would, so the density in the core will be much higher than for a natural object of that mass -- enough to allow hydrogen fusion.
The interesting thing is what this would to to barren desert regions like the Sahara and Gobi. Seeing as they're generally freezing cold at night, that chill would ease up and allow for animal life there to expend less energy keeping warm, which gives them more energy in the day to move around...it's a whole amazing chain reaction.
@@snorpenbass4196 Doubtful. Jupiter/Lucifer is MUCH further from Earth than Sol, the heat output of a much smaller star would be a lot lower, and energy received drops as the SQUARE of the distance between the two objects. You'd get no heat and not much light from Jupiter/Lucifer -- but it would be enough light to prevent a lot of normally totally-dark nights from happening, which would interfere with the mating cycles of some animals (like sea turtles). Think of the new star as a street light in the sky.
20:29 In _Around the World in Eighty Days_ , there is a scene where a passenger train has to cross a wooden trestle bridge over a ravine (these were built as cheaply as possible to wring as much profit as possible out of the government subsidy; the ones built by the Great Northern Railroad were far more sturdy, being built of stone arches, because it was private money and they had to build for the long term, and so didn’t want to waste their capital). The train crew are reluctant to hazard a train full of passengers on the rickety bridge. Jules Verne takes time out of the narrative to remind the audience that if an _American_ thinks a plan is risky, you can bet that a normal person wouldn’t even consider it.
The Schmitts' are night owls! :D Also, I agree that 2010 has the traditional narrative structure, which I enjoyed more. It also makes everything from the first movie clear... like, whoever made Life on Earth, is doing it again. Not that game’s over for humans, but don’t mess with the new “tenants”. And the “something wonderful” lives up to the promise... a new Sun was an amazing surprise... PLUS Europa is being setup as the next Earth 👍🏽
There are two sequels to the story as novels, but they have never been filmed...'2061: Odyssey Three' and '3001: The Final Odyssey'. 2061...Deals with Heywood Floyd (now 103 years old), his estranged grandson named Christopher, and the return of Halley's Comet as it courses through what was once Jupiter's (now called Lucifer) moons. Europa is cloud cast and unreadable, but humanity has begun to colonize Ganymede. Yeah...the star created from Jupiter's explosion is named Lucifer. 3001...The body of Frank Poole is discovered basically frozen and he is revived to see where the world and humanity have gone...but the monoliths return, and it might mean an end fro humanity. The little boy playing Heywood Floyd's son, Christopher is Taliesin Jaffe, who is still an actor mainly doing cartoons and video games, but is also a bit of a star for his part as a cast member of 'Critical Role' the streaming Dungeons and Dragons show on Twitch and RUclips.
In the further follow up books, HAL is in the same place with Dave now. HAL was exploring the details of the monolith. He was exploring the recorded history and found that the creators of the monolith came to Earth in a generational ship and stayed for over a 100 years studying life on Earth. What happened in 2010 comes back to haunt them in 3001, it becomes a race against the clock.
Oh man, this is one of the most underrated sci-fi sequels EVER! Still get chills when HAL tells Dr. Floyd to "Look behind you." during that now-classic scene with the cosmic-level being that used to be former astronaut Dave Bowman (O_O). Glad you two finally made time to do this reaction, only pray the last two novels in the 2001 saga ('2061: Odyssey Three' and '3001: The Final Odyssey') end up being put on the big screen as well. If you thought the first two were something else, hold on to your seat belts for those final two installments:::wink:::wink::: >;-D
By the way, Arthur C. Clark wrote the third book in series - "3001 Space Odyssey," which described what has happened to Frank Poole - the guy who was cast in space in the first movie. Unfortunately, it was never filmed.
Hey TBR. It's amazing you two even did this movie. I watch a lot of movie reactors and for those who've watched 2001, I always recommend this sequel. But none have so far. You guys are the only ones who've done 2010 that I know of. @ 23:45 At this scene, there is something that occurs cut out of your video that I know you saw. Right after the hair brushing scene, it switches to the nurse at the control station reading that magazine. She drops it on the table when the alarm goes off. The two men on that magazine cover are Arthur C. Clarke again, and Stanley Kubrick both doing a very special kind of cameos there, being portrayed as the American and Soviet leader respectively. That makes 2 cameos for Clarke and one for Kubrick! @ 35:40 Interesting how you two thought the Dr. Chandra was a bad guy but turned out he was a good one. Same with us watching the first time! I think he considered these artificially intelligent (AI) computers, SAL and HAL, his children. See, even back in the 60s we knew it would be possible to make artificially intelligent computers someday soon, and that concept, and its ramifications are part of what is explored in both 2001 and 2010. Thought you would enjoy this movie. One day watch 2001 and 2010 again back to back so you can catch all the lines and nuance you may have missed. There's an older sci-fi you should consider called "Silent Running" (1972) one very reflective of the times and it's concerns when it was made. Don't want to tell you anything that would spoil it so don't research it, but it was made just 4 years after "2001" and took advantage of the progressing special effects inspired by it. I'm sure you will enjoy it based on how you liked both 2001 & 2010. I noticed you do not have "Interstellar" on your video page so if either of you haven't seen it you MUST definitely do that one too! ✌️😎
Director Peter Hyams was initially recluctant to do a sequel. But after he talked to Stanley Kubrick who gave him his blessing, Peter went ahead with the project. Arthur C Clarke and Peter collaborated on the story over the span of a year using the new technology of email.
I saw this in 70mm, loved it. Roy Scheider was the coolest! I always thought Peter Hyams was a very underrated Director. He has made some of my favorite films. "Capricorn One"(1978) a great edge of your seat conspiracy thriller about a faked mission to Mars. "Running Scared"(1986) My favorite buddy-cop movie Starring Billy Crystal and the late great Gregory Hines. "Hanover Street"(1979) A WWII action-romance story Starring Harrison Ford and Christopher Plummer.
Fun facts from the film's Wikipedia page: Arthur C. Clarke, author of the novels for 2001 and 2010, appears as a man on a park bench outside the White House (visible in the letterboxed and widescreen versions). In addition, a Time magazine cover about the American-Soviet tension is briefly shown, in which the President of the United States is portrayed by Clarke and the Soviet Premier by the 2001 film's writer, producer and director, Stanley Kubrick.
For me, it’s one of the best movies in the world. It is also difficult to understand such a serious deep subject. This film is exactly about putting aside our opposites, putting together our people. Let’s create a happier world because we are smaller than a speck of dust in the universe. Every time I saw it, I always cried sobbing there was such pressure on my soul. More people should be familiar with this masterpiece.
Love this movie. My dad took me to see it way back when it came out in theaters. I also love the director, Peter Hyams, and recommend Running Scared, a fun buddy cop movie with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines. Also Outland, which feels like an Alien film with the sets and designs, but it's actually a western set in space with Sean Connery.
@@leslauner5062 Definitely overlooked when it comes to remakes done right. I remember as a kid thinking it was a sequel to Alien because everything looked and felt so similar.
If you rewatch the scene in front of the White House there's an older gentleman sitting on the far left end of the park bench feeding the pidgeons. That OG is none other than the author - Arthur C Clark
fantastic sequel...when everything comes clear about HAL'S reasons and why he acted like he did in 2001 i genuinely felt sorry for him..it wasn't his fault at all.
When I first really took notice and learned the name of Helen Mirren, it was in the British crime drama miniseries Prime Suspect, which had several sequels. Years later, I realized I had already seen her in this, Excalibur (in which she played Morgan le Fay, King Arthur's sister, called Morgana in that movie), and White Nights, in which she played a ballet teacher and former prima ballerina at the Bolshoy and ex-girlfriend of Mikhail Baryshnikov. I told my mother she had played Russians in what I thought were two movies in a row, and my mom said, "She is Russian." For those who don't know, her grandfather was a Russian aristocrat, whose family name was Mirrenov, was stationed in Britain when the Russian Empire was overthrown.
I love this movie! I saw it back in '84 in the theaters, and I have it on DVD! Different from 2001: ASO, but also just as enjoyable a movie! I'm a HUGE John Lithgow fan from this era of movies, and his performance was fantastic! A terrific sequel to an impossible second film to be made. Yet they managed to pull off a great sequel. Awesome!
2010 and Psycho 2 are the two most underrated sequels ever made because they both respect the original films and most people assume they're just cash grabs. Even Quentin Tarantino said he prefers Psycho 2 to the original. 2010 is an awesome sequel.
Another great reaction. Some random thoughts: It can't really be compared to '2001', which is a total immersive experience and requires you to make your own conclusions (as many of Kubrick's films did). The explanation of the orders to lie causing HAL to freak out kind of dulls his menacing qualities from '2001', which is a bit of a shame. After the end of the Cold War, '2010' felt pretty dated with the US v. USSR subplot. Now, unfortunately it doesn't seem as out of touch with current events. As a space-obsessed child of the 80's, this was on regular VHS rotation. It's a great sci-fi thriller with an excellent cast, script, and effects. Roy Scheider is always good, I can't think of one of his roles I've seen I didn't like. Floyd in the first movie is portrayed simply as a bureaucrat, while Scheider makes him a much more human character. Bob Balaban became a big part of Christopher Guests' regular ensembles in movies such as 'Waiting For Guffman' and 'A Mighty Wind', both of which you should check out after watching 'This is Spinal Tap'. Wow, these really are random thoughts LOL. Fun fact: the 'Time' magazine cover uses illustrations of Arthur C. Clarke as the US President and Stanley Kubrick as the Soviet Premier.
It's an unpopular opinion, I know, but I feel like Kubrik had an element of emperor in new clothes about him, whereby his genius was inflated by the effects of his films' intentional inaccessibility, especially with The Shining.
@@cleekmaker00 I'm not saying it was a bad explanation in '2010', it makes sense to explain why a 'perfect' computer would do that. But just as people sometimes go insane and we never find out the reason, the idea that a machine could be so advanced to the point where it could also go insane was kind of terrifying.
Some details from the novel was omitted. Most notably, a Chinese spaceship also went. They landed on Europa, when some big creature crawled out of the ocean towards the spaceship, toppling it and killing most inside. One survived long enough to transmit a message to the Leonov and telling what had happened. The creature was clearly not malevolent, but was only attracted by the light. But that was how we were introduced to life on Europa. Neither Chandra nor Floyd were experienced astronauts, so it made sense that the first trip to Discovery was done by those who were. Max getting killed was not in the book. The initial exploration of the Monolith was done by an unmanned probe. The intelligence behind the Monolith clearly doesn't *create* life, but it encourages intelligence where it sees potential for it to evolve. The creatures on Europa had potential, but were trapped with no room to evolve further unless Jupiter was turned into a sun. Added to the movie was the Cold War plot. Of course, being made in the early 80s with Reagan's talk of the "evil empire" and Brezhnev still being premier of the Soviet Union, it was on everybody's minds. No one then would expect the collapse of the Soviet Union less than a decade later. It was interesting to see you being upset about the reports of war breaking out. I could never let it affect me because I knew that it was irrelevant to the plot. However, the final conversation between Chandra and HAL where Chandra confesses that it is likely that Discovery and HAL will be destroyed, was a good addition by director Peter Hyams. A point was lost (my, I'm sounding like Dr. Strangelove) because of the change in actors and because the original movie had changed the name but this sequel had not. The Russian, Moisevich, in the beginning of the movie, was the same guy that Floyd talked to in the space station in 2001. In the conversation outside the White House, that's writer Arthur C Clarke on the bench to the left in the picture.
Another movie with Roy Scheider is Blue Thunder about a veteran helicopter pilot picked to try out a armed police helicopter but finds out the true purpose of the helicopter, also stars Malcom McDowell and a young Daniel Stern in one of his first roles.
Thank you for reacting to this. This is a great movie in its own right indeed. Aerobraking and its counterpart the slingshot manoeuvre are used in space flight all the time, except that it's so far only been done with unmanned craft thus far afaik, so I understand their nervousness. What I as a language enthusiast found fascinating about this movie is that all the Russian crew members are portrayed by actual Russian actors. And yes, this includes Helen Mirren née Mironoff who had a Russian father. Elya Baskin (Max, Curnow's friend) also has roles in a lot of American movies. Again, thanks for the reaction, this was great. Keep up the good work. :) Btw., for more movies by Peter Hyams, I would recommend Capricorn One and in particular, Outland.
To answer a question near the end: as the new sun (called Lucifer in the book) still orbits our sun (Sol), there will be night on Earth whenever Lucifer is on the other side of the sun from Earth (it's called opposition in astronomical circles). But only for a few months at most. Most of the year, Lucifer would be brighter than a full moon, creating something like an overcast day. Big savings on electrical power, if nothing else.
So glad you guys watched this and liked it! It's just a really good movie and really good story! I also recommend the book 2061: Odyssey Three to see what happens next. It's another very good follow up. The last book 3001 is pretty bad though, I couldn't even finish it. Best Regards!
When Floyd and Curnow are discussing the "kill switch" for HAL, there's this long shot of them, vignetted against the darkness of the living quarters, that's very reminiscent of the "lip reading" shot in 2001. I like to think that Chandra is watching them, just like HAL in the original.
According to the novels, the directive of the Monoliths is to roam the galaxy, find species which might one day evolve to intelligence, and nudge them along. Of all the species which inhabited the atmosphere of Jupiter, the Monolith found none that hadn’t plateaued. On Europa there were species with a fighting chance, so Jupiter was ignited to begin the warming of Europa. Since the other moons harbored no native life, the Dave Bowman entity was comfortable offering them to the humans for settlement.
@@henrytjernlund probably one of the reasons it didn't so good at the box office. Following on from The Exorcist calling your next film Sorcerer was a bad move. Should have called it the same as the book and 1953 original film version The Wages of Fear. Mind you, releasing it at around the same time as a certain popular sci-fi movie didn't help either!
Sorcerer is one of my favorite films of all time. Incredible film. The Wages of Fear is also fantastic, and it has some sequences that are even more harrowing than Sorcerer; but it is hampered (IMHO) by an overly long set-up, some weird (in a bad way) characters, and a very French ending. lol Hell, I even like Vertical Limit, the last remake of The Wages of Fear. Most people seem to hate it, but apart from the poorly-executed opening scene, I thought it was an outstanding popcorn flick.
@@Johnny_Socko IMO, Sorcerer ranks high among the best films of the '70s. Friedkin taps into a wavelength of existential despair that Clouzot couldn't reach (and I admire The Wages of Fear a great deal). The Exorcist may be Friedkin's dance with the devil, but Sorcerer is his portrait of hell.
One sad note. When Chandra was about to shut Sal-9000 down she asked if she would dream. He responded, "of course". Later when Hal asks the same question, he says 'I don't know'. That tells me that he was not able to successfully reactivate SAL. For some reason the shut down permanently damaged her. He learned what went wrong and altered his start up procedures to avoid the damage so he was able to successfully reactivate HAL later, but that explains his honest answer of 'I don't know'.
I watched the movie in theaters with my family when I was 9 years old and the ending "escape from Jupiter" sequence was awesome. Scary but also super impressive, very realistic, cool and memorable.... the sound effects were terrifying, in a good way.
Thanks for doing this movie, one of my favourite movies full stop. I also like HAL's redemption when it's discovered he was in conflict with programming and orders. You guys really got this movies message and meaning too.
FYI: the woman doing the voice of the SAL computer is credited as "Olga Mallsnerd". This is a fake name. The voice is actually done by well known Candice Bergen.
A great Sci-Fi movie that helped answer some of our questions and gives a solid ending that leaves a lot more to be explored!
Thank you all for the support!
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Probably one of the better sequels out there. Although definitely not superior to the first movie, it still works, and still keeps the viewer riveted with tension.
I kind of wish that this series would be continued, with "Odyssey 3" and "Final Odyssey" being books in the series that were never turned into films. Definitely could be done nowadays, I just wonder if there's anybody out there who would be interested in doing it.
@@daveofyorkshire301 Better yet: "Earth Girls Are Easy" Jeff Goldblum, Damon Wayans, Jim Carrey and Geena Davis
Sceptic, nocive friends. Answer : "well, we can Always light UP Jupiter"
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Yep... And suddendly, research & astrophysics is in their mindset.
It's awesome.
Yesss ! Lol'
20 years at it. Still grabing more. Must be doing something right.
Thanks you Peter Hyams, you rock.
I love SAL. 🥺❤️
After rewatching these with you, I’m reminded at how refreshing it is to see a sci fi movie that is story and acting driven. No monsters, no murders, no gore, no terror. Just a good thought provoking script that inspires conversations.
Indeed, that's why I can't wait to watch "Rendezvous with Rama" especially since it's directed by Denis Villeneuve.
Absolutely well-said.
Oh, there's terror.
"...Look behind you."
What a nice change of pace.
Never have I seen this sequel mentioned when an article mentions "2001: A Space Odyssey" and reveres it, while this movie is a gem in itself and very true to the original. A third installment would not be wise, third book deviates too much from "reality".
Roy Scheider is such a underrated actor, anything he's in is either really good or great!
Blue Thunder, Seaquest DSV
@@Kimvanloocke yes kim , or the fremh cennection with gene hackman.
The 7 ups is good too. I've never seen a bad roy scheider film.
@@shanenolan8252 The Seven-Ups(1973)
@@promnightdumpsterbaby9553 indeed
Fun fact: Arthur C Clarke is the man feeding the pigeons in the scene in front of the White House
Fun fact: The two men on the cover of Time Magazine is Arthur C Clarke and Stanley Kubrick
About Arthur C Clarke feeding the pigeons, I did't know that. So thanks, I will go check it out. I always knew about the magazine cover, but not that one.
And Candice Bergen voiced SAL-9000 :)
Yes that was a good endorsement from Clarke. I also heard that Peter Hyams the director, contacted Kubrick to get his approval, before taking on the project.
@@exile220ify SAL was such a great part!
One of the big advantages of 2010 vs 2001 is that by 1984 we actually knew what Jupiter's moons looked like. It was the discovery of Europa's ocean that inspired Clarke to write the sequel in the first place.
And the music of Vangelis & Jean Michel Jarre!! Clarke wrote that in the prologue i think
i particularly love the bit where floyd slowly turns around and sees dave. that "look behind you" is one of the biggest nope moments in cinema :D
Even though seen I've this film many times, that scene always makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.
An effective scene. I wish I could edit this movie myself and produce a blu ray version. It would be better than this.
I love the expression Roy Scheider does when Dave Bowman turns into his Star Child form. =)
@@Xoferif Like he's thinking, "what happened to you? What are you now?"
Peter Hyams actually went to get Kubrick's blessing before making 2010 and some advice and Kubrick said, paraphrased: "Just go do your own thing and you'll be fine."
And I think it turned out well.
This is such a solid sci-fi flick and if it were a stand alone movie I think would have received a lot more fan fare, but it naturally suffered from being compared to the masterpiece that is 2001.
I saw this before I saw 2001. It happened to be on TV and my dad was cool enough to let me stay up and watch it. I can report it was great as a standalone movie. When I watched 2001 a couple of years later, I found it a bit boring. Yeah, I am the person that enjoyed 2010 more than 2001.
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Agreed 100%.
To be honest I think it actually makes 2001 suffer by comparison.
2001 is a great art film, a statement - but as a complete story telling experience?
It's utterly and completely terrible - long spaces where nothing happens but Kubrick's patented filmic wankery.
Don't get me wrong - patented filmic wankery is great for what it is in limited doses.
That being said 2010 is a far better story and it still looks frickin fantastic,.
The design of the Leonov (done by the great Syd Mead of TRON, Blade Runner, Aliens and several other films - RIP legend) actually inspired the crew behind Babylon 5 a decade later for the desing of the Earth Alliance Omega class destroyers with similar rotating sections.
@@ganjiblobflankis6581 You wouldn't be the only one who liked 2010 more.
It's meant to be a film to enjoy just for the characters and story in my opinion, rather than all the artistic flairs of fancy in 2001.
The special FX and sci fi plot of 2010 makes some great icing on the cake besides.
Not to mention its cast is a lot more engaging and watchable than the somewhat cold performances of all actors in 2001, with a very recognisable list of actors from Roy Scheider, Helen Mirren and John Lithgow to name the most notable.
The monoliths accelerate evolution leading to intelligent life - so the first one we saw in 2001 triggered the transition to tool use and hunting, and the one Bowman encountered triggered his own evolution to the Star Child. Then they turned Jupiter into a star for life on Europa to have a chance to develop sentience. The warning for humans not to attempt a landing on Europa is like an externally imposed version of the Prime Directive from Star Trek
And, unlike the Federation, the monoliths quite clearly have both the ability and the will to enforce their directive.
while humanity was told to stay away from europa , they were given all the other moons !
Having a small star, at Jupiter’s orbit (and orbiting the Sun),
changes Mars and the outer planets (Saturn, Uranus, Neptune).
Becoming a variable light/heat source (freeze/thaw/gas cycles).
@@joemummerth8340 Yet in the next 2 books by Clarke humanity messes that up.
@@AI_Image_Master I read 2001 in Junior High School, and 2010 sometime after. Nearly 40 years later, I just read 2061 and 3001 earlier this year.
The book explains that the reason for the creepy voice dilation when Dave Bowman said “it’s full is stars” is because he was traveling at 10% of the speed of his signal. The pod traveled inside the monolith at 10% of the speed of light!
A much better movie than it gets credit for.
This movie was made only five years after Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 performed their flybys of Jupiter and took the first high definition images of Jupiter and its major moons, including Io and Europa. The filmmakers were able to use the new information to accurately depict Io with its active sulphur volcanos, the reason for the sulphur dust covering Discovery.
Its hard to imagine a time back before we had those glorious images. Some special mention should be paid to the Pioneer probes as well. Some people think as the time between 1975 and 1981 as the dark times of NASA, but they still did some amazing stuff, even if it was all just unmanned.
Carl Sagan would be proud.
2001 is a great film. 2010 is a great movie. I love them both, for different reasons. Thanks for doing this! Most people ignore the sequel.
Same here. Love both movies for different reasons.
Context matters when viewing this movie.
In December of 1984 when it was released;
The Soviets had boycotted the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles.
Nuclear missile reduction talks had broken down for over a year, and the political atmosphere was hostile between the U.S. and U.S.S.R.
During that Christmas season, this movie came out with a hopeful ending between the two superpowers, instead of the actual tension that existed during that phase of the Cold War.
I remember the audience cheering at the end, in that theater in Torrance CA.
The 1980s end of the Cold War, especially the early 80s felt like nuclear war was ultimately inevitable.
That's why this movie had a positive vibe to it, the possibility of hope.
Also Pan-Am existed. :)
Of course Pan-Am existed 2010 because it still exists 2019 and 2049 along with Atari.
Also, the year before the Russians had shot down a Korean airliner and killed 300 people, then worked themselves up into a state of paranoia about an NATO military exercise Able Archer, and convinced themselves it was the cover for a secret NATO attack on Russia (it wasn't). And although we didn't know it at the time, during this exercise the Soviet Early Warning System suffered a glitch and issued a false alert.
The officer in charge should have launched an all-out nuclear strike in response but was suspicious and investigated further, discovering the false alarm. His name was Stanislav Petrov and we are all alive today because of him.
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Yep. 1983 was probably closer to nuclear war than the Cuban Missile Crisis was.
Indeed the one aspect of the film that's pretty dated is the fact it's set in 2010 but the Cold War is still happening.
But to be fair, it's hard to blame 1980s script writers for believing the Cold War would stretch into the 21st century. Few people alive at the time would have ever guessed that it would end seven years later.
Fun fact: Helen Mirren (real last name is Mironoff) didn't have to put on a fake accent - she's actually half Russian.
"..off" is the German pronunciation. Her grandfather's last name was Mironov.
@@zvimur Being Helen, her name would be Mironova
@@andrewcharles459 should be, but many non Slavic countries (like Britain) don't automatically add gender based suffixes to last names.
She was smokin' hot in her early career.
She was so hot as Tanya Kirbuk. That accent gets me every time: "You haf been drinking yer vhiskey from Kentuckye!"
This is such a solid film on its own merit. I watched this at a theatre in Hayward, CA as a young teen. The Cold War component of this film felt so real at the time.
I saw this in 70mm when it came out, it looked fantastic on the big screen.
Totally. The Cold War backdrop in the film was so very ominous, because it defined the 24-7 reality we were all living through at the time. It really sucks you into the movie.
Sadly, it still is real for now. Those nukes are still live.
@@SterileNeutrino Getting realer in 2023.
Seeing the "Very Large Array" at the beginning of the movie made me think the next movie you should watch is "Contact" which is a similarly themed movie that has an iconic scene that was filmed at the "Very Large Array"! Contact would be the perfect movie to watch next!
I concur. Let's do all the dishes!
AND after Contact, the movie to watch is Arrival (2016), directed by Denis Villeneuve, starring Amy Adams, Forrest Whitaker, and Jeremy Renner. Both must sees!!!
@@scottjo63 I think "Arrival" is great movie but after "Contact" I would go with "Interstellar" becuse Matthew McConaughey is in both movies & I'd follow "Interstellar" with "Gravity" and "The Martian"
I didn’t like “Contact” much but Jodie Foster is very good in it. The VLA is very much worth a visit if you’re in that part of the world, but there isn’t much else out there. You’re just driving down a state highway and all that appears in the distance. We were tempted to stick around over night and see it at sunrise but we had places to go.
It also shows the Arecibo dish, which we just lost last year due to neglect. That movie is also based on a novel by Carl Sagan, who also started the SETI project.
I had read it before, and when the movie was announced I was excited to see it. The movie does the book justice and Jodie Foster was the perfect choice for Ellie Arroway.
I can't believe how well the special effects held up.
Models are better than CGI from 80s - 2000s. Just look how well Star Trek The Next Generation holds up Vs something like Babylon 5.
They were influenced by the stunning pictures from the Voyager flybys, which were brand new at the time of filming.
@@jamesharper3933 Except for the in-Universe graphical displays, which look inferior to the hand-animated flat screen displays in the first movie!
@@AthanImmortal 2 be fair to B5 they had like 1/4 the budget of STNG so CG was pretty much their only option.
@@jamesharper3933 Star Wars Ep 4 had CGI. ;)
Before the movie went into production, Peter Hyams had a long conversation with Stanley Kubrick, basically asking for his permission. He said he wouldnt have made the movie without Kubricks blessing. And Kubrick basically said: "Sure. Do it. I don't care." Another time he also said "Don't be afraid. Just make your own movie."
And while he was writing the screenplay, Hyams stayed in contact with Arthur C. Clarke (who wrote the Novel)... via e-mail, which was a brand new technology at the time.
Tom Hanks wanted to do the two sequels: 2061 and 3001 (also based on the novels), including playing a familiar character in the latter film. That was 20 years ago and I don’t think they would’ve had the decent technology to make it convincing. I’m still hoping for the sequels to be made.
You might love the novels too
Was he going to play Frank Poole?
I have read all the books, and I too would like them to make movies about 2061 and 3001. the Rama books by Arthur C Clarke would be great books to make movies about.
@@zpitzer Rama, done by someone that can show nearly impossible scale and scope, would be astounding on an IMAX screen.
@@zpitzer I read them long ago. I remember the foreword of either 2061 or 3001, where Clarke apoligised for writing it, but he just had this fun idea. And in 3001 he *promised* that this was the last one.
I'd really want the movie sequels, but it seems unlikely. The first two movies are so different and the second one didn't follow the novel very close. For example no Chinese ship. I guess Clarke's prediction of China as one of the leading space nations in the early 21th century wasn't plausible enough in the early 80s...
Perhaps remakes from the start would be the best. But then, who dares remake a Kubrick movie? That could be career ending.
@@Panzer_the_Merganser I can only see Denis Villeneuve doing the Rama series.
Underrated sequel for the sci-fi opera classic masterpice.
True... A decent movie, whereas I'd call the first one more of an art experiment in movie form.
@JSB ""Art experiment in movie form" Huh? So many things wrong with that statement. For one thing film IS art..."
True true, what I really mean to say was that parts of the first movie are so far beyond experience and context of ordinary human lives, indeed even special human lives, that it's meaning is not readily apparent.
As opposed to regular movies that deal with experiences that are recognizable by a lot of people.
A lot of people know the feeling of spilling their coffee, water, tea, whatever...
Pretty much zero people (that we know off) know the feeling of becoming a digitized software entity travelling through space and time and in extra dimensions we don't normally see...
In the sequel novel 2061 we get to learn that HAL's consciousness has been transferred into the monolith with Dave's and their job is basically to observe and guide the evolution of life on Europa, so happy ending for HAL
I highly recommend reading the books in the rest of the series: 2061 and 3001. You learn more about Europa, and also find out what happens to HAL and Dave after this movie.
I agree, you definitely should read the next two books. It basically explains a lot about the monolith, creation, life, what is life and much much more.
I agree, however 3001 gets a bit.....to much into itself if you know what I mean with how things are explained etc? Not to mention the ending of the book itself, which I never really liked sadly. I mean it's actually a good ending with a good payoff but just something didn't sit right with me and I could never figure out what or why. Maybe because 3001 was basically the "Poole" book and the Halman thing threw me off a bit. (Without putting spoilers I don't wanna say anymore than those two things) I dunno. Still, all the books are great reads and I still say it's up there with Foundation etc.
I haven't read 3001 but Clarke was so clearly phoning it in by the time he wrote 2061. I have read about 20 of his books and that was the worst.
@@trhansen3244 I do agree that 2061 is no cherry but I did enjoy 3001. Note, it’s been like 20 years since I read The Final Odyssey.
In the final Rama novel, they connected the monolith to the Rama spaceships. The 'creator' sent the monoliths out to seed planets, and Rama collects specimens.
Fun fact: In the Novel for 2010, we find out that when David Bowman was comforting HAL in the final moments before Jupiter destroys The Discovery, he actually convinced the intelligences behind the Monolith to actually save HAL by making HAL something very similar to what Dave became, partly because Dave himself felt somewhat alone being what he became, and partly because he forgave HAL for everything that happened in 2001 since it wasn't entirely HAL's fault. So to make a happy ending happier, HAL gets to live on as an immortal energy computer.
HAL has a much weirder destiny in the following books.
You two have the absolute best wrap-up discussions out of any reaction channel. Phenomenal job.
That's why I love these guys
Shame that they didn't keep filming the whole saga, there are four books in total, part 3 is 2061 and four is 3001, both parts are amazingly bonkers.
read 2061 and 3001 still have 3001 book im the same wish they would do sequels completing the story
It's probably difficult for younger people to understand the severity of Cold War tensions between the US and the USSR from the 1960's throughout the 1980's. The screenplay for "2010" was written in 1983, which was the most dangerous year of the Cold War since the Cuban Missile Crisis. During 1983 there was the violent repression of pro-democracy movements in Eastern Europe, the Soviet shootdown of Korean Air Lines flight 007 (which killed 269 people, including 62 Americans and a US congressman) and the Able Archer incident in Germany, which nearly triggered World War III:
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It's starting up again.
Although the Korean Air Lines flight was a tragedy, there was little surprising about it. At the rate things were going, I could totally see the U.S shoot down a Soviet passenger flight. Thing is, the U.S was able to isolate itself from the real risks and dangers going on on the Eurasian continent, and experience the whole thing as if they were moving toy pieces on a board game, without any of the high stakes that the USSR was likely experiencing at the time.
The Cuban Missile Crisis did not arise out of thin air, as well. It was a response either to the U.S. or to NATO's aggressive stance toward the USSR. To say that Western politicians never stoked the fires of provocation towards their Eastern counterparts would be naive at best.
I would generally take what Hollywood has to say with a truck of salt. From Ivan Drago (probably the most un-Russian-sounding name in film history) telling Rocky that he "must break him", to one of the Russian crew on this ship sporting a hippie-Lenin beard (all cosmonauts were clean shaven, to my knowledge) and wearing what I guess is supposed to be a October Revolution-style cap - it all plays like a cartoon. Can't humanise those Ruskies, though; or acknowledge the occasional faults of U.S. foreign policy or weak diplomacy, for that matter. : )
Having said that, this sequel does break the mold quite nicely and gives a fresher view point, particularly in the second and third acts. 'Sall good.
One of the biggest differences between the book and the movie is in the book the cold war is still on they aren't on the brink of shooting at each other. In fact relations seem to be rather warm and their is no animosity between the two crews.
@@userxl41drn301 Couple small points. This film is depicted in a time period that is several decades beyond the current events transpiring around it. Is it really so surprising, therefore, that Cosmonaut standards in Russia have changed? A female Cosmonaut was in charge of the entire operation. At no point in the 1950's thru 80's would that ever have been a thing. Because there is no evidence there was even a female Cosmonaut sent into space in the first place. So, taking that into account, is it really so unbelievable that a male Cosmonaut would be permitted, in that era, to have facial hair? Perhaps the USSR just does things different in 2010, as opposed to in 1983. We're talking a 27 year difference, so a lot can happen.
Regarding the Cuban Missile Crisis, the entire thing was sparked by the United States parking Nuclear Missiles in Turkey, which was a US Ally at the time. This put nukes less than 700 miles from Moscow, which Russians naturally did not like. So Cuba was decided to be "their Turkey," especially after Fidel Castro, the communist leader now in charge of Cuba, basically threw his doors open to the Soviets, to plant their bombs (because he was paranoid that the United States would invade, if he did not have nukes to scare them off with). The whole thing was basically resolved (after the famous standoff, of course) by a treaty that saw the removal of US nukes from Turkey, and a pledge by the Soviets to not try and park any more nukes in Cuba. Castro, naturally, hated this decision, but what could he do?
Glad you two reviewed this. Criminally underrated.
Well, I'm not sure we should be jailing people for not liking this film. Let's first make sure we can get Democrats in the White House permanently. Then we can work on making it a crime to undervalue 2010.
@@trhansen3244 That's true. Dems will criminalize amything.
@@trhansen3244 We should definitely be jailing people for not liking it.
One of my favorite movies...
You each need a shirt. TBR's reads: "Jump Scare" and Samantha's reads: "WHY?!"
The actress that plays Bowmans widow is Mary Jo Deschanel, the mother of actresses Zoey Deschanel (Summer in 500 days of Summer) and Emily Deschanel (star of tv series Bones)
Max is played by the actor who played Peter Parker's landlord in the Toby McGuire staring spiderman films
"RENT!"
He's also the kindly machinist/coal miner in October Sky. Love that actor (Elya Baskin).
Loved him in Moscow on the Hudson.
Wife of cinematographer Caleb.
@@tawnieriekena7 And plays Mrs. Hayward on Twin Peaks!
This movie is criminally underrated.
Outland would be a cool space flick for you guys. Or another sci-fi classic Westworld
I agree completely. Outland is a fantastic film. Part of the Alien, Blade Runner, Outland trifecta!
@@allannewell2089 just missing Soldier in that... But I guess it wouldn't be a trifecta then🤣
Based on the 1952 western High Noon.
“You’re gonna need a bigger spaceship.”
I'd never noticed how Jaws-like the humor in this film is, plus the scenes with the son being similar and in some parts Bob Balaban being the Richard Dreyfus with Scheider.
I've been checking out a lot reaction channels in the last few months. They really depend on the host(s). While I enjoyed the episodes where you hosted alone, it really took off when Samantha started co-hosting. The recaps at the end with the two of you talking are great. The chemistry and back and forth are genuinely interesting. You're a great couple.
Slamming into another planets atmosphere hard enough to slow you down but not too hard so you don't explode, or too gentle and bounce off and end up leaving the solar system is scary enough in KSP, doing it in real life must be insane
Valentina is too badass to feel fear, though
I really want to cry when HAL says goodbye to Dr Chandra. He's only a kid, really.
Thanks, you guys. 2010 is not as groundbreaking and revolutionary as 2001, but it is still a good and thoughtful science fiction film in its own right. :)
True but by the 1980s, most of the SF films were pedestrian. Not all. But most. There were some fine works but not many would be groundbreaking.
Firstly I think you guys are the epitome of a perfect couple. And if you're into reading, these books go into way more detail and they are so mind-blowing.
I concur. I understand why they didn’t include it in the movie but everything that happened with the Chinese ship on Europa has haunted me since I first read the book umpty-leven years ago. If I ran Hollywood I’d try to come up with a way to dramatize it.
I hadn’t watched this film for decades until earlier this year. A very solid sequel to 2001. Another film worth a watch is ‘Contact’ with Jody Foster. Not a film that people talk about much but definitely one of my favourite hardcore SF films. Oh yes and ‘Apocalypto’. In my opinion one of the best adventure movies ever!
Yes you r correct Apocalyto is the Drogbas Ballax.
@@MoggieLou Apocalypto wether it's historically correct or not we don't know 100%,but it is a work of full on genius.
An underrated sequel. The books go into more detail and take the story forward. Arthur C Clarke actually appears in the film.
I wish someone would adapt Childhood's End to a proper big theatrical film. Not the nonsense on tv. It's a very short novel.
This gem perfectly shows how art and science can make beautiful bookends for each other. So glad you two checked out this gem. I still get goosebumps by that 'full circle' ending.
When this flick came out the commercials were so overplayed. In high school science labs, we had our own "pull my finger" nerd bit. Someone would say that something is happening, someone unknowingly would say "what's happening?" only for someone to reply in a garbled-husky voice "...something wonderful."
I'm watching this (for a second time) 2 years later.... and just realized something. At 20:30, it's decided that Max will take a pod towards the Monolith. The thought hit me, that in the movie Armageddon, "Max" gets blown into space while drilling on the asteroid. When you said, "Bye, Max." I heard it not only in your voice, but also Steve Buschemi's voice. "Bye, Max."
I wonder if, in Armageddon, Max's character was inspired by, or a Nod to, this Max being blown into space?
Stranger things have happened......
See, I told you not to be too hard on HAL. He was a good guy really. The message: 'We are only tenants of this world. We have been given a new lease, and a warning from the landlord...." resonates on so many levels given the issues in the world today. If only there was a real monolith to kick some backsides.
The line my god it’s full of stars was in the book 2001. Not in the film . But it’s one of those key lines.
I loved this movie. I saw it in high school. This was during the Cold War before Gorbachev. The Soviet Union seemed like this powerful implacable foe.
The Russians are back at it, this time with an ally that really can challenge America. China.
And now we have China to replace the Soviets. Perhaps scientists found something on mars. I've been terrified the last few months about current events going on but maybe it's all a show for something bigger to happen. Perhaps we're on the brink of something beautiful.
I saw this in the theater...two scenes were incredible for us old-timers: when we hear H.A.L. come back: same voice actor did the role as in 1968...chills. And when Kier Dullea reprised his role.
...looking exactly the same.
I honestly like this movie better than Kubrick's original, because it is more straight forward with its story, while still having tons of suspense.
While I do like 2001 more still, I think 2010 is an incredible movie in it's own right and personally one of my favorite movies ever. Also one of my favorite sequels ever right up there with T2 and Aliens etc. All I know is, I just love the whole last act of 2010, and when John Lithgow starts screaming "It's shrinking, it's shrinking!" I always smile for some reason lol
I do like 2010 a lot. I have some issues with it. But 2001 might very well be the best SF film ever made.
@@LordLOC Yes, that last act is incredible. Also dave's creepy message to earth always gives me the shivers.
You make an excellent point. Kubrick's donation was something to be experienced, much like a painting or a symphonie. 2010 was more storylike in its approach.
2010 is prose.
2001 is poetry.
The Monoliths didn't eat Jupiter they kept adding mass to it causing it to gain the mass it needs to be able to start is fusion reaction and become a Star.
No they basically compressed its available mass of hydrogen until it achieved ignition of a self sustaining fusion reaction.
aka stellar ignition.
Basically the monoliths did the equivalent of what a tokamak is supposed to, but on a far larger scale.
The books after the novel for this one detail that the Jovian stars life is very short (a thousand years?), so any change in mass would have to be very minimal.
Its the goof in this story , Jupiter getting mass to ignite it self , it still would be only a brown or red dwarf and actually have no effect on climate on earth .
Tiniest red dwarf star (59 000 km radius) is smaller in size than Jupiter (69 900 km radius) , but has 85 times bigger mass , brown dwarf 13 times the mass of Jupiter.
As a brown dwarf , there would not even be much bigger change to see Jupiter from night sky than now :-)
Holy cow! I was gonna go to sleep. SAL 9000 is voiced by actress Candice Bergen. 21:49 - actress portraying David Bowman's wife is Mary Jo Deschanel. Mother of Zoey and Emily Deschanel. 😀
Mary Jo Deschanel also played John Glenn’s wife in “The Right Stuff.”
2001 and 2010 are two of my most favourite SciFi movies. The story is crazy good and lets you dream about wonders of creation. Also a nice movie I have to suggest is Sunshine (2007). regards.
I haven't seen Sunshine but I hear it's too violent.
@@trhansen3244 violent? A rescue mission to the sun is violent? :D Never heard of it. There maybe is a fight between crew mates punching each other thats all of its violence. Its foremost a SciFi movie to enjoy.
@@MKev_Gaming Infighting? That's not for me. I prefer a non-violent SF film.
My one complaint about _Sunshine_ is that it presents itself as a serious science fiction story, complete with the crew joking about how maybe an alien killed the crew of the last mission when they board it....
And then it just does the monster movie plot anyways
Main difference between the production of 2001 and 2010 was that Kubrick was making the movie literally as Clarke was writing the book. But 2010 had been published for some time before they made the movie, so Hyams was able to make changes to suit production needs and run time. For example,, the whole manned Chinese landing on Europa from the book was replaced by an unmanned probe from the Leonov in the movie. In the book, it was given that the monolith was a tool used by the higher intelligence to do whatever they needed done.
I'd always felt that the Monolith needed Dave to act as a mediator between its self and the humans so it hyper evolved him into a transcendent being and that the way that Dave spoke to Hal at the end, that maybe he could help Hal transcend as well.
In the sequel novel, *_'2061: Odyssey Three',_* it's explained that _HAL_ had his version of "consciousness" sort of uploaded into the _Monoliths,_ and that he & _Dave_ now act as guides & guardians to the new lifeforms on _Europa._
I hope that helped. 🙂
I feel like this film doesn't get enough love. It has a great cast as well. Roy Scheider, Dame Helen Mirren, John Lithgow, Keir Dullea. It's such an underrated gem.
The old man feeding the pigeons on the bench outside the Whitehouse is Arthur C Clarke
Gee guys!!! This was exciting. I suggested doing this because NO ONE ONLINE ANYWHERE HAS DONE THIS. I was sure you weren't going to bother. So I'm watching a video and you pop up in the suggested video column. I clicked off the other video and came here. So, so much fun. Great movie. So not only did I get to see a reaction to this one, but it was you two, with your great way of commenting unobtrusively, and having a nice, substantial edit with great production. Wow, that was fabulous. What a great surprise!!! Love you guys!!! :)
2010! Way to go! It’s rare to find reactors to this 2001 follow up. I remember seeing this in the theaters and I loved it. I’m surprised more people don’t know about it.
The Film was a moderate success at by the box office making $45 million dollars against a $30 million dollar budget, and it was nominated for:
Best Costume Design
Best Sound
Best Makeup
Best Art Direction
Best Visual Effects.
I wish they had made a movie of 2061: Odyssey 3 or 3001: Final Odyssey.
Or Rendezvous With Rama, Arthur C Clarke's other series, which has been in development hell for decades
@@weldonwin Not familiar with that series. For many books, you have to wait for technology to be good enough. Could you really have made Lord of the Rings in the 70s? What I want to see make it to the big screen now is The Dragonriders of Pern. I think we are there for that one!
@@GregInHouston2 Okay, Rendezvous With Rama, follows a crew of astronauts as they explore a giant alien starship that is passing through the solar system (The titular Rama). Its been adapted into a couple of adventure games, but a movie adaptation has been in development Hell for decades.
@@weldonwin You would think Rama would be a no-brainer but with the PC Hollywood we have today, they are more concerned with skin color than story.
@@trhansen3244 Also, the book does give over a rather considerable amount of page space to the sexual mores of late 22nd century man and the ship's doctor is, I kid you not, introduced through the Captain's musings on his personal theory that at least one space disaster was the result of the flight crew being distracted by the way a woman's breasts bounce in Zero-G
John Lithgow has played his fair share evil, psychotic characters during his career. In 2010, he plays a fairly normal and likeable guy.
But It's this fucking role that gave me nightmares! His terror during the spacewalk really disturbed me as a child.
This is a great sequel and great movie in it's own right.
Each time the monolith appeared there was an evolutionary leap forward. And I believe *HAL* was the last leap. However you wish to frame it - either as an entity in and of itself, or for mankind.
Then of course there's what happened to *Dave.* But given he's an individual, I don't know I would count that.
You asked whether Earth would have nights once Jupiter became a star. The answer is yes, but the night cycle would become complicated (a lot fewer full nights, a lot more dim nights) depending on where Jupiter/Lucifer is in the sky. The novel of "2010" covers this in some limited detail.
Jupiter would be a brown dwarf , even for that it would need to have at least 13 times more mass and it would not have hydrogen fusion , it would be burning deuterium . It would not be much different on night sky than Jupiter is right now .
Smallest red dwarf has 85 times the mass of Jupiter , even if its only the size of Saturn , that like the smallest proper star that has a hydrogen fusion going on .
Jupiter is 2,5 times the mass of all other planets orbiting sun and its still only 0,001% of the mass of the sun . to give some scale .
@@pete_lind My recollection is that the monoliths are absorbing Jupiter's atmosphere and compressing it much more than gravity would, so the density in the core will be much higher than for a natural object of that mass -- enough to allow hydrogen fusion.
The interesting thing is what this would to to barren desert regions like the Sahara and Gobi. Seeing as they're generally freezing cold at night, that chill would ease up and allow for animal life there to expend less energy keeping warm, which gives them more energy in the day to move around...it's a whole amazing chain reaction.
@@snorpenbass4196 Doubtful. Jupiter/Lucifer is MUCH further from Earth than Sol, the heat output of a much smaller star would be a lot lower, and energy received drops as the SQUARE of the distance between the two objects. You'd get no heat and not much light from Jupiter/Lucifer -- but it would be enough light to prevent a lot of normally totally-dark nights from happening, which would interfere with the mating cycles of some animals (like sea turtles). Think of the new star as a street light in the sky.
I like this movie so much! Especially as a follow-up to the masterpiece original. It's a terrific sequel. One among very few.
20:29 In _Around the World in Eighty Days_ , there is a scene where a passenger train has to cross a wooden trestle bridge over a ravine (these were built as cheaply as possible to wring as much profit as possible out of the government subsidy; the ones built by the Great Northern Railroad were far more sturdy, being built of stone arches, because it was private money and they had to build for the long term, and so didn’t want to waste their capital). The train crew are reluctant to hazard a train full of passengers on the rickety bridge. Jules Verne takes time out of the narrative to remind the audience that if an _American_ thinks a plan is risky, you can bet that a normal person wouldn’t even consider it.
They get across the bridge the same way as the bus in _Speed_ , but they back up a solid mile first to get a running start.
The Schmitts' are night owls! :D
Also, I agree that 2010 has the traditional narrative structure, which I enjoyed more. It also makes everything from the first movie clear... like, whoever made Life on Earth, is doing it again. Not that game’s over for humans, but don’t mess with the new “tenants”. And the “something wonderful” lives up to the promise... a new Sun was an amazing surprise... PLUS Europa is being setup as the next Earth 👍🏽
The actress who played Bowman's widow is Mary Jo Deschanel the mother of Emily and Zooey Deschanel
There are two sequels to the story as novels, but they have never been filmed...'2061: Odyssey Three' and '3001: The Final Odyssey'.
2061...Deals with Heywood Floyd (now 103 years old), his estranged grandson named Christopher, and the return of Halley's Comet as it courses through what was once Jupiter's (now called Lucifer) moons. Europa is cloud cast and unreadable, but humanity has begun to colonize Ganymede. Yeah...the star created from Jupiter's explosion is named Lucifer.
3001...The body of Frank Poole is discovered basically frozen and he is revived to see where the world and humanity have gone...but the monoliths return, and it might mean an end fro humanity.
The little boy playing Heywood Floyd's son, Christopher is Taliesin Jaffe, who is still an actor mainly doing cartoons and video games, but is also a bit of a star for his part as a cast member of 'Critical Role' the streaming Dungeons and Dragons show on Twitch and RUclips.
In the further follow up books, HAL is in the same place with Dave now. HAL was exploring the details of the monolith. He was exploring the recorded history and found that the creators of the monolith came to Earth in a generational ship and stayed for over a 100 years studying life on Earth. What happened in 2010 comes back to haunt them in 3001, it becomes a race against the clock.
Oh man, this is one of the most underrated sci-fi sequels EVER! Still get chills when HAL tells Dr. Floyd to "Look behind you." during that now-classic scene with the cosmic-level being that used to be former astronaut Dave Bowman (O_O). Glad you two finally made time to do this reaction, only pray the last two novels in the 2001 saga ('2061: Odyssey Three' and '3001: The Final Odyssey') end up being put on the big screen as well. If you thought the first two were something else, hold on to your seat belts for those final two installments:::wink:::wink:::
>;-D
By the way, Arthur C. Clark wrote the third book in series - "3001 Space Odyssey," which described what has happened to Frank Poole - the guy who was cast in space in the first movie. Unfortunately, it was never filmed.
They should make it after the Dune remake if that's a success.
That is he fourth book. The third is 2061. About the Earthers stupidly going to the planet they were told to avoid. 3001 is great too!
@@moonbrooke27 You are absolutely right!!! The reason I said 3001 was because I own it. Thanks for the reminder!!!
Hey TBR. It's amazing you two even did this movie. I watch a lot of movie reactors and for those who've watched 2001, I always recommend this sequel. But none have so far. You guys are the only ones who've done 2010 that I know of. @ 23:45 At this scene, there is something that occurs cut out of your video that I know you saw. Right after the hair brushing scene, it switches to the nurse at the control station reading that magazine. She drops it on the table when the alarm goes off. The two men on that magazine cover are Arthur C. Clarke again, and Stanley Kubrick both doing a very special kind of cameos there, being portrayed as the American and Soviet leader respectively. That makes 2 cameos for Clarke and one for Kubrick! @ 35:40 Interesting how you two thought the Dr. Chandra was a bad guy but turned out he was a good one. Same with us watching the first time! I think he considered these artificially intelligent (AI) computers, SAL and HAL, his children. See, even back in the 60s we knew it would be possible to make artificially intelligent computers someday soon, and that concept, and its ramifications are part of what is explored in both 2001 and 2010. Thought you would enjoy this movie. One day watch 2001 and 2010 again back to back so you can catch all the lines and nuance you may have missed. There's an older sci-fi you should consider called "Silent Running" (1972) one very reflective of the times and it's concerns when it was made. Don't want to tell you anything that would spoil it so don't research it, but it was made just 4 years after "2001" and took advantage of the progressing special effects inspired by it. I'm sure you will enjoy it based on how you liked both 2001 & 2010. I noticed you do not have "Interstellar" on your video page so if either of you haven't seen it you MUST definitely do that one too! ✌️😎
Director Peter Hyams was initially recluctant to do a sequel. But after he talked to Stanley Kubrick who gave him his blessing, Peter went ahead with the project.
Arthur C Clarke and Peter collaborated on the story over the span of a year using the new technology of email.
I saw this in 70mm, loved it. Roy Scheider was the coolest! I always thought Peter Hyams was a very underrated Director. He has made some of my favorite films. "Capricorn One"(1978) a great edge of your seat conspiracy thriller about a faked mission to Mars. "Running Scared"(1986) My favorite buddy-cop movie Starring Billy Crystal and the late great Gregory Hines. "Hanover Street"(1979) A WWII action-romance story Starring Harrison Ford and Christopher Plummer.
Helen Mirren and Gregory Hines also starred together in a wonderful movie called "White Nights", with Mikhail Baryshnikov.
@@seannovack3834 Great movie!
Fun facts from the film's Wikipedia page:
Arthur C. Clarke, author of the novels for 2001 and 2010, appears as a man on a park bench outside the White House (visible in the letterboxed and widescreen versions). In addition, a Time magazine cover about the American-Soviet tension is briefly shown, in which the President of the United States is portrayed by Clarke and the Soviet Premier by the 2001 film's writer, producer and director, Stanley Kubrick.
For me, it’s one of the best movies in the world. It is also difficult to understand such a serious deep subject. This film is exactly about putting aside our opposites, putting together our people. Let’s create a happier world because we are smaller than a speck of dust in the universe. Every time I saw it, I always cried sobbing there was such pressure on my soul. More people should be familiar with this masterpiece.
"Is he walking on the ceiling...or the wall?" There are no ceiling, walls, up, down, fast, slow in space. It is all relative my friends!
Love this movie. My dad took me to see it way back when it came out in theaters. I also love the director, Peter Hyams, and recommend Running Scared, a fun buddy cop movie with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines. Also Outland, which feels like an Alien film with the sets and designs, but it's actually a western set in space with Sean Connery.
Wow, same! Re: dads. And same feeling for Runnng Scared.
"Outland" is actually a pretty good remake of "High Noon."
@@leslauner5062 Definitely overlooked when it comes to remakes done right. I remember as a kid thinking it was a sequel to Alien because everything looked and felt so similar.
Peter Hyams & John Badham are two of the 80’s most underrated directors. Every movie they made was great and wildly entertaining.
@@THXbox Add Nick Park to that list. "The Boy who could Fly," and "The Last Starfighters" were both criminally underrated gems.
If you rewatch the scene in front of the White House there's an older gentleman sitting on the far left end of the park bench feeding the pidgeons. That OG is none other than the author - Arthur C Clark
fantastic sequel...when everything comes clear about HAL'S reasons and why he acted like he did in 2001 i genuinely felt sorry for him..it wasn't his fault at all.
When I first really took notice and learned the name of Helen Mirren, it was in the British crime drama miniseries Prime Suspect, which had several sequels. Years later, I realized I had already seen her in this, Excalibur (in which she played Morgan le Fay, King Arthur's sister, called Morgana in that movie), and White Nights, in which she played a ballet teacher and former prima ballerina at the Bolshoy and ex-girlfriend of Mikhail Baryshnikov. I told my mother she had played Russians in what I thought were two movies in a row, and my mom said, "She is Russian." For those who don't know, her grandfather was a Russian aristocrat, whose family name was Mirrenov, was stationed in Britain when the Russian Empire was overthrown.
I love this movie! I saw it back in '84 in the theaters, and I have it on DVD! Different from 2001: ASO, but also just as enjoyable a movie! I'm a HUGE John Lithgow fan from this era of movies, and his performance was fantastic! A terrific sequel to an impossible second film to be made. Yet they managed to pull off a great sequel. Awesome!
2010 and Psycho 2 are the two most underrated sequels ever made because they both respect the original films and most people assume they're just cash grabs. Even Quentin Tarantino said he prefers Psycho 2 to the original. 2010 is an awesome sequel.
Another great reaction. Some random thoughts: It can't really be compared to '2001', which is a total immersive experience and requires you to make your own conclusions (as many of Kubrick's films did). The explanation of the orders to lie causing HAL to freak out kind of dulls his menacing qualities from '2001', which is a bit of a shame. After the end of the Cold War, '2010' felt pretty dated with the US v. USSR subplot. Now, unfortunately it doesn't seem as out of touch with current events. As a space-obsessed child of the 80's, this was on regular VHS rotation. It's a great sci-fi thriller with an excellent cast, script, and effects. Roy Scheider is always good, I can't think of one of his roles I've seen I didn't like. Floyd in the first movie is portrayed simply as a bureaucrat, while Scheider makes him a much more human character. Bob Balaban became a big part of Christopher Guests' regular ensembles in movies such as 'Waiting For Guffman' and 'A Mighty Wind', both of which you should check out after watching 'This is Spinal Tap'. Wow, these really are random thoughts LOL.
Fun fact: the 'Time' magazine cover uses illustrations of Arthur C. Clarke as the US President and Stanley Kubrick as the Soviet Premier.
It's an unpopular opinion, I know, but I feel like Kubrik had an element of emperor in new clothes about him, whereby his genius was inflated by the effects of his films' intentional inaccessibility, especially with The Shining.
As a teenager in the 80s, this film was always on my vcr, playing in the background (or Animal House, Amadeus or Stripes).
What does a computer do when it's told to lie, but knows that deception is wrong? What was HAL supposed to do?
@@cleekmaker00 I'm not saying it was a bad explanation in '2010', it makes sense to explain why a 'perfect' computer would do that. But just as people sometimes go insane and we never find out the reason, the idea that a machine could be so advanced to the point where it could also go insane was kind of terrifying.
@@robhorsey9906Horsey I totally agree. The contradictions must have been enormous to contemplate.
Some details from the novel was omitted. Most notably, a Chinese spaceship also went. They landed on Europa, when some big creature crawled out of the ocean towards the spaceship, toppling it and killing most inside. One survived long enough to transmit a message to the Leonov and telling what had happened. The creature was clearly not malevolent, but was only attracted by the light. But that was how we were introduced to life on Europa.
Neither Chandra nor Floyd were experienced astronauts, so it made sense that the first trip to Discovery was done by those who were. Max getting killed was not in the book. The initial exploration of the Monolith was done by an unmanned probe.
The intelligence behind the Monolith clearly doesn't *create* life, but it encourages intelligence where it sees potential for it to evolve. The creatures on Europa had potential, but were trapped with no room to evolve further unless Jupiter was turned into a sun.
Added to the movie was the Cold War plot. Of course, being made in the early 80s with Reagan's talk of the "evil empire" and Brezhnev still being premier of the Soviet Union, it was on everybody's minds. No one then would expect the collapse of the Soviet Union less than a decade later. It was interesting to see you being upset about the reports of war breaking out. I could never let it affect me because I knew that it was irrelevant to the plot. However, the final conversation between Chandra and HAL where Chandra confesses that it is likely that Discovery and HAL will be destroyed, was a good addition by director Peter Hyams.
A point was lost (my, I'm sounding like Dr. Strangelove) because of the change in actors and because the original movie had changed the name but this sequel had not. The Russian, Moisevich, in the beginning of the movie, was the same guy that Floyd talked to in the space station in 2001.
In the conversation outside the White House, that's writer Arthur C Clarke on the bench to the left in the picture.
My dad took me to see this when it came out, i was 6, and it TOTALLY blew me away. Wish you guy's could have seen it on a big screen!
Another movie with Roy Scheider is Blue Thunder about a veteran helicopter pilot picked to try out a armed police helicopter but finds out the true purpose of the helicopter, also stars Malcom McDowell and a young Daniel Stern in one of his first roles.
Thank you for reacting to this. This is a great movie in its own right indeed. Aerobraking and its counterpart the slingshot manoeuvre are used in space flight all the time, except that it's so far only been done with unmanned craft thus far afaik, so I understand their nervousness. What I as a language enthusiast found fascinating about this movie is that all the Russian crew members are portrayed by actual Russian actors. And yes, this includes Helen Mirren née Mironoff who had a Russian father. Elya Baskin (Max, Curnow's friend) also has roles in a lot of American movies. Again, thanks for the reaction, this was great. Keep up the good work. :)
Btw., for more movies by Peter Hyams, I would recommend Capricorn One and in particular, Outland.
To answer a question near the end: as the new sun (called Lucifer in the book) still orbits our sun (Sol), there will be night on Earth whenever Lucifer is on the other side of the sun from Earth (it's called opposition in astronomical circles). But only for a few months at most. Most of the year, Lucifer would be brighter than a full moon, creating something like an overcast day. Big savings on electrical power, if nothing else.
So glad you guys watched this and liked it! It's just a really good movie and really good story!
I also recommend the book 2061: Odyssey Three to see what happens next. It's another very good follow up.
The last book 3001 is pretty bad though, I couldn't even finish it.
Best Regards!
Fun Trivia Fact: The voice of the SAL 9000 computer was Candice Bergen (under the pseudonym Olga Mallsnerd).
When Floyd and Curnow are discussing the "kill switch" for HAL, there's this long shot of them, vignetted against the darkness of the living quarters, that's very reminiscent of the "lip reading" shot in 2001. I like to think that Chandra is watching them, just like HAL in the original.
According to the novels, the directive of the Monoliths is to roam the galaxy, find species which might one day evolve to intelligence, and nudge them along. Of all the species which inhabited the atmosphere of Jupiter, the Monolith found none that hadn’t plateaued. On Europa there were species with a fighting chance, so Jupiter was ignited to begin the warming of Europa. Since the other moons harbored no native life, the Dave Bowman entity was comfortable offering them to the humans for settlement.
If you want to see more films with Roy Scheider in them then I highly recommend the French Connection, Sorcerer and Marathon Man.
Every time I watch sorcerer I am on the edge of my chair from beginning to end.
And the Seven-Ups.
@@TotlKaos Sorcerer is a great ride.
Jaws, All That Jazz, The French Connection, Blue Thunder...
Now that you’ve just watched Jaws and 2010, it’s time to watch Sorcerer. It is Scheider’s most underrated film. A masterpiece.
Sorcerer is tremendous.
Sorcerer is one of those movies with a misleading title. Was very disappointed by it.
@@henrytjernlund probably one of the reasons it didn't so good at the box office. Following on from The Exorcist calling your next film Sorcerer was a bad move. Should have called it the same as the book and 1953 original film version The Wages of Fear. Mind you, releasing it at around the same time as a certain popular sci-fi movie didn't help either!
Sorcerer is one of my favorite films of all time. Incredible film. The Wages of Fear is also fantastic, and it has some sequences that are even more harrowing than Sorcerer; but it is hampered (IMHO) by an overly long set-up, some weird (in a bad way) characters, and a very French ending. lol
Hell, I even like Vertical Limit, the last remake of The Wages of Fear. Most people seem to hate it, but apart from the poorly-executed opening scene, I thought it was an outstanding popcorn flick.
@@Johnny_Socko IMO, Sorcerer ranks high among the best films of the '70s. Friedkin taps into a wavelength of existential despair that Clouzot couldn't reach (and I admire The Wages of Fear a great deal). The Exorcist may be Friedkin's dance with the devil, but Sorcerer is his portrait of hell.
"We need a bigger satellite dish." - _Roy Scheider_ (probably)
The Critical Drinker does a nice critique of this film.
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One sad note. When Chandra was about to shut Sal-9000 down she asked if she would dream. He responded, "of course". Later when Hal asks the same question, he says 'I don't know'. That tells me that he was not able to successfully reactivate SAL. For some reason the shut down permanently damaged her. He learned what went wrong and altered his start up procedures to avoid the damage so he was able to successfully reactivate HAL later, but that explains his honest answer of 'I don't know'.
Peter Hyams is a very underrated film director. He's done some great stuff!
This movie is supposed to be really great for bass sounds, wish there was a 4k version.
I watched the movie in theaters with my family when I was 9 years old and the ending "escape from Jupiter" sequence was awesome. Scary but also super impressive, very realistic, cool and memorable.... the sound effects were terrifying, in a good way.
Thanks for doing this movie, one of my favourite movies full stop. I also like HAL's redemption when it's discovered he was in conflict with programming and orders.
You guys really got this movies message and meaning too.
FYI: the woman doing the voice of the SAL computer is credited as "Olga Mallsnerd". This is a fake name. The voice is actually done by well known Candice Bergen.