@@kvnliang This tennis is at the 4.0 level because its all mainly balls deep down the middle, deep into the corner, And so you are not moving him very much at all and hes certainly not leaving the baseline when you only move him a few metres around the court on the baseline and so the rally keeps on going until someone makes a mistake.. You're baseline players because just about every ball you hit is always going back again up deep into the baseline. What's the issue ? Too many balls are going back again deep to the baseline.
@ For sure baseline players. In an ideal world I would want to move him side to side but very difficult to with consistency since the balls are coming in heavy lol
@@kvnliang If the balls are coming in heavy. then you change the leveraging. You have to get him off the baseline, not pin him down on the baseline. Hes too solid on the baseline. You cant hurt him that way. by just pushing him back on the baseline You hurt him by getting him off the baseline and out of the tennis court away from the baseline..
Nice match. Kevin two tips: on your serve, sometimes you toss the ball too far to the left (11:30) which robs you of some power and causes you to arch your back, which can lead to back strain long term. Second tip: take your forward back with the left hand on the throat of the racket and then put it out to your side to guide your shot through the ball, which is good for balance. All the pros do this. You also might consider making your forehand loop more compact and less high, to give you more time. In general your shots are excellent and your preparation and footwork are good. Your friend Kent is 4.5 if he fixes his overhead errors
When I saw this come up in my feed I thought the name was familiar. Then I saw a 4.0 named Kent and I remember I lost to a mf'er named Kent in the 18+ 4.0 season. Turns out it's the same Kent! ... And looked it up and saw I was on the same 4.5 rinconada team as you haha. Good hitting, editing, and commentary!
Both very solid players. He was eating you alive with the drop volley combo. You see this alot in the mens leagues, great hitters who just cannot get out enough to keep the 4.5 or 5 rating. Good to see some net rushing.
So fun to watch keep up the uploads! Couple things I noticed: 1. his forehand is quite solid and able to generate pretty good pace and direction. You're hitting a lot to his forehand, and it's not a good setup for you as you have an extreme western FH (he's hitting pretty flat and it;s hard to handle for you with that extreme grip) 2. his volley game isn't as strong as baseline 3. his backhand is pretty flat, but only occasionally hits it. Most of the time it's a sitter slice You could try to do 2-1 combo - 2 to his FH and 1 to his backhand and then come in. This will put a lot of pressure to pass. Or you could just do high topspin to his BH slice all day since since you'd likely enjoy that inside-out FH a lot :) Try to make him come to the net every now and then. You'd likely get easy points. Cheers!
Hello Kevin, Your Universal Tennis Rating is 8.39 which would place you at the higher end of the NTRP 4.5 level. Most NTRP 4.5 players are in the 7-8 range on the UTR system. The UTR system is probably more accurate because of the algorithm they use. The NTRP system unfortunately leads to a lot of sandbagging. I don’t have the full name of your opponent, however you can easily look up his UTR. Good video, keep up the good work and don’t forget to use UTR to scout your opponents.
A bulk of players who play weekly are 3.5. 4.0 players play at least a couple of times per week. To be a 4.5 player you have to consistently practice a few times per week; 5.0 almost every day; and 5.5 on up, everyday. And I'm talking about practice sessions. Playing games doesn't improve your tennis game. In fact I think that playing games hurts it. Practice improves your fundamentals and consistency, and you use it into your tournament play. Then back to practice. I used to be a 5.0 player, and probably could have been a 5.5 if I was more disciplined. But I did practice just about every day, and I had a teaching pro coach me once a week. Now I'm old, I have joint pain in my knees and finger from arthritis, and I've gained a few (many) pounds. I used to work out 5-days a week for a couple of hours a day along with practicing tennis.
Looks like Kent can be beaten with the short ball followed by the lob plan. He's missed 4 overheads in the first 7 games. It's his weakest shot not the least because of his slow footwork. Those feet made of concrete have to be exploited. Great hitting guys.
Kent's 4.5 singles, relatively strong 4.0 in doubles (and most USTA matches are doubles), although he and David had a very nice result against Rinconada A! He will be bumped next year, though.
Kevin kevin kevin, you make the same mistakes I typically do when I play my buddy. I know my friend typically has a worse back hand, you gotta hit there and pick on it! Kent's got a go for broke mentality which I dig but all good, can't wait for part duece!
@@zachmeloche8577 Agreed. He has a big forehand which would make you think he's a 4.5 but his backhand is far too weak to compete with a competent 4.5 player. More than half of his backhands were very short slices. I'd take advantage of every short ball by hitting an approach and attacking the net. In addition, very few rally's hit more than 3 balls.
He certainly has a powerful serve and forehand and also a pretty good net game. But, he did start making quite a few errors. If you judge him by his power, he's certainly a 4.5+, but match results are the only thing that matters to rating. So, I would have to assume he normally makes more errors than he did in your first set. He seems like he could be a streaky player. If he is on, he's a beast, but if he starts going off then he beats himself... It will be interesting to see the third set. Hope you didn't do permanent damage to your elbow!!
Didn't understand why in the 1st set you weren't going after his backhand. He looked waaaay less confident in his backhand, going for too many slices and drop shots on that side as a "way out". But yet you were going after his forehand, which is a weapon! Great playing! As far as ratings, well... You got to play in a lot of tournaments to have an acurate rating (NTRP or UTR). If he is not playing too much, or if he just got back into playing, that explains the rating.
Thanks! I think i changed my strategy in the second because I didn’t want to lose. In practice I tend to rally/hit to my opponents strengths to get more of a challenge. In a match with real stakes, I’m going to try to expose my opponents weaknesses more for sure. I’m not sure if he’s C or S rated but i’m sure he’ll get bumped soon :)
I think if you go to his backhand more often you'd win that match pretty easy. His forehand is significantly better than his backhand and it seemed like you were going to that side about 80% of time. You could also move into the net on his backhand, i don't see him having a consistent passing shot off that side. Great video !
Funny. That's called a continental grip, and IMO, it's preventing you from aptly stabilizing (opening) your FH grip for more power and a chance at inside-out angles down the line. (But in all other respects you have gr8 form.)
Kent looked pretty relaxed in the first set and Kevin did not. That switched in the 2nd set. Kevin should do more inside out forehand and hit Kent's backhand. Kevin was predictable with always going for the forehand to deuce side when there was a short ball. Kent just stayed in that corner and waited.
here is some small advice... learn how to hit a flat forehand where you actually drive through the ball. Not to replace your current forehand, but just to add some variety. Too often you would have him under pressure and then hit a loopy forehand that allowed him to recover. You were both good players, I didn't think this guy was sandbagging. He may have just been "on". Ratings seem right
You should’ve kept going for his backhand because it’s not as good as his forehand. He was slicing 97% of the time. I’m just curious if you’ve ever tried changing your forehand grip and take back. I think this is causing you to make so many unforced errors. It’s also harder to be aggressive. You had some chances but I think the extreme forehand grip & take back makes a thin contact with the ball, making your shot too loopy and lose pace (hitting the net or giving chance for opponent to attack). Other parts of your game is good. I think you have potential.
Thanks! I did think about it a bit more in the second set when I was down, but I liked playing to his forehand because it was so good. (Just for practice) And grip change has always been in the convo. But I think it works for me and I like the way it feels so I just decided to run with it for the foreseeable future. My coaches in the past were OK with it but that was a long time ago. I think I can make progress despite some limitations and I want to work on other areas of my game at the moment. I feel like that would be a very big change even if I went the route of changing my FH and there are other really big issues with my game that I want to address first. But in the future who knows? I think it would be cool to have multiple forehand grips
This one was recorded with an amazon stick with a hook attachment lol but i have a swing stick as well (i find the swing stick to be less stable sometimes) I use an IPhone15 to record it with SwingVision
@@kvnliang I've put off getting swing vision mostly because I use android and don't really like MAC books. I manually add stats to my videos, takes a decent amount of time but seeing the stats really helps you identify how you won or lose....from a statistical perspective. Good videos though....ole Kent about got ya
Feels weird to say since you're so fast, but I think your footwork could use some improvement. I saw a lot of forehands where you got there in plenty of time, but your hitting platform was off and you had to adjust during your stroke. This is especially important when playing against a big hitter like Kent; his heavy strokes will rob you of a lot of time. Great match, and I hope your elbow feels better! Oh, and tell Kent he needs to work on preparation for his overhead. He's not getting sideways, and remains way to square to the net. He needs to get sideways early and work on his feet!
Cmon, that guy in white is not a 4.0!!!! I e been a tennis pro/coach/USPTA Rater as well for about 30 yrs, after watching the first 4 games I would stake my career that he’s at least a 4.7 just slightly better than a 4.5!!!! 4.0’s can’t hit with that much pace and control when hitting passing shots, or can they accurately hit spots with their serves with that much pop as well. He has every shot, can play with spin, slice, can hit drop shots, is very consistent and can handle pace and use it with precision, he’s much closer to 5.0 than 4.0 that’s for sure….In New England he would be bounced from the 4.0s and be made to play in 4.5s
my boy kent started gassing out the second set, and I feel it in my heart b/c I've been out for years and is now getting back to it. It's not always obvious until you know what to look for, but you can see he started getting a little sluggish with his movement, he started winning less free point from his serve and couldn't keep his pace to dictate the rally, then it starts to get into your head. The soundtrack of my comeback so far, lol
Easier then u think. Did it myself after playing for 25 years. Sees like u have a good understanding of tennis. I bet u will play better then you are now within 3 months. Start hitting slow balls with a partner and get the feel of it.
Well done. 4.0 amd 4.5 are quite close and they do overlap. In otherwords, a 4.0 can beat a 4.5 as much as a 4.5 can beat a 4.0 in most cases. Unless you are comparing a very good 4.5 with a very weak 4.0 then the difference would be significant
@@ViaticalTree very general yes, but definitely not every time. Even top 10 pros dont beat top 50 pros all the time. There are good days and bad days for players.
With that serve and FH, Kents movement and BH better be dog poo to be considered a 4.0. Kevin on the other hand is one speedy guy. Kevin, you eventually got to his legs but I think you needed to have worked his movement harder in the first set. Sometimes I play a 50yo falling(en)4.5 lefty who goes 6ft 2.5in 230lbs all I can do is hit to the corners and make him work for every point.
@@okentan Just a friendly-ish practice match! I get better practice by going for his stronger shot. Also because I’m stubborn and I wanted to try to out hit his forehand haha
@@kvnliang dissallows you from putting your weight behind your forehand in your shots...youre forced to lean back and/or pull ur chest up early to compensate for the extreme grip, curious why youd use it considering the other parts of your game are pretty good.
nearly every single forehand you hit is off your backfoot like youre almost falling back/having your weight on your backfoot rather than being able to step into your shot, im sure u know this im jus confused why the preference.
@@staysyvl Yeah I need to work on that a bit. I think playing against a bunch of heavier hitters changed my game to be more counter punchy. I like playing people who give me pace and like redirecting shots. But I am working on stepping in more, but against Kent I didn't get many opportunities especially early on
@@kvnliang perhaps, i think its the grip alone thats preventing you from having your weight behind your shot though. Pros who play Nadal are still able to have their weight going forward vs back... i think your grip is requiring you to pull your chest up instead of keep it down, because if you kept it down its be a lot more uncomfy imo. Something u might could look into imo
Just another sand bagger. When I played 4.5 leagues there were former D1 college throwing games at the end of the season just to maintain a 4.5 rating.
You are definitely an excellent player but you are not 6 ft 4 inches tall plus and that matters for kick serves and easy service winners from tall guys aces. 4.5 usta rating requirements include excellent kick serves and if u ain't tall that hurts you for rating
If you're talking his serve motion my shoulder gets sore just watching it. Kevin I think for the long term health of your shoulder you should look at the take back motion. Spend some time throwing a football. It will help fix the take back you currently have
No net play, no variety in the play, he gets a short ball, hits it and retreats to the baseline only to start the baseline grind all over. Come on bro vary your game, even if you get passed at the net you're adding another layer to your game.
Hope you guys enjoyed this video! Part 2 up soon :)
Hopefully tomorrow
@@kvnliang This tennis is at the 4.0 level because its all mainly balls deep down the middle, deep into the corner, And so
you are not moving him very much at all and hes certainly not leaving the baseline when you only move him a few metres
around the court on the baseline and so the rally keeps on going until someone makes a mistake.. You're baseline players
because just about every ball you hit is always going back again up deep into the baseline. What's the issue ? Too many balls are going back again deep to the baseline.
@ For sure baseline players. In an ideal world I would want to move him side to side but very difficult to with consistency since the balls are coming in heavy lol
@@kvnliang If the balls are coming in heavy.
then you change the leveraging.
You have to get him off the baseline, not pin him down on the baseline. Hes too solid on the baseline.
You cant hurt him that way. by just pushing him back on the baseline You hurt him by getting him off the baseline and out of the tennis court away from the baseline..
@ Yep, Need to vary up my game a bit
That forehand grip is one of the most extreme I’ve ever seen! Fun to watch
Thanks!
Nice match. Kevin two tips: on your serve, sometimes you toss the ball too far to the left (11:30) which robs you of some power and causes you to arch your back, which can lead to back strain long term. Second tip: take your forward back with the left hand on the throat of the racket and then put it out to your side to guide your shot through the ball, which is good for balance. All the pros do this. You also might consider making your forehand loop more compact and less high, to give you more time. In general your shots are excellent and your preparation and footwork are good. Your friend Kent is 4.5 if he fixes his overhead errors
Thanks! Definitely going to be working on that serve
When I saw this come up in my feed I thought the name was familiar. Then I saw a 4.0 named Kent and I remember I lost to a mf'er named Kent in the 18+ 4.0 season. Turns out it's the same Kent! ... And looked it up and saw I was on the same 4.5 rinconada team as you haha. Good hitting, editing, and commentary!
Both very solid players. He was eating you alive with the drop volley combo. You see this alot in the mens leagues, great hitters who just cannot get out enough to keep the 4.5 or 5 rating. Good to see some net rushing.
So fun to watch keep up the uploads!
Couple things I noticed:
1. his forehand is quite solid and able to generate pretty good pace and direction. You're hitting a lot to his forehand, and it's not a good setup for you as you have an extreme western FH (he's hitting pretty flat and it;s hard to handle for you with that extreme grip)
2. his volley game isn't as strong as baseline
3. his backhand is pretty flat, but only occasionally hits it. Most of the time it's a sitter slice
You could try to do 2-1 combo - 2 to his FH and 1 to his backhand and then come in. This will put a lot of pressure to pass. Or you could just do high topspin to his BH slice all day since since you'd likely enjoy that inside-out FH a lot :)
Try to make him come to the net every now and then. You'd likely get easy points.
Cheers!
@@codingwithzhia Thank you! Definitely great advice that I will keep in mind :)
Great hitting, guys! Inspired me to keep practicing, hope I get bumped to USTA 4.0 at the end of this month!
Appreciate it! Fingers crossed :)
Hello Kevin, Your Universal Tennis Rating is 8.39 which would place you at the higher end of the NTRP 4.5 level. Most NTRP 4.5 players are in the 7-8 range on the UTR system. The UTR system is probably more accurate because of the algorithm they use. The NTRP system unfortunately leads to a lot of sandbagging. I don’t have the full name of your opponent, however you can easily look up his UTR. Good video, keep up the good work and don’t forget to use UTR to scout your opponents.
A bulk of players who play weekly are 3.5. 4.0 players play at least a couple of times per week. To be a 4.5 player you have to consistently practice a few times per week; 5.0 almost every day; and 5.5 on up, everyday. And I'm talking about practice sessions. Playing games doesn't improve your tennis game. In fact I think that playing games hurts it. Practice improves your fundamentals and consistency, and you use it into your tournament play. Then back to practice. I used to be a 5.0 player, and probably could have been a 5.5 if I was more disciplined. But I did practice just about every day, and I had a teaching pro coach me once a week. Now I'm old, I have joint pain in my knees and finger from arthritis, and I've gained a few (many) pounds. I used to work out 5-days a week for a couple of hours a day along with practicing tennis.
Looks like Kent can be beaten with the short ball followed by the lob plan. He's missed 4 overheads in the first 7 games. It's his weakest shot not the least because of his slow footwork. Those feet made of concrete have to be exploited. Great hitting guys.
kent’s play style is cleannnn
@@sodangchrispy Fr
Cool video!
Kent's 4.5 singles, relatively strong 4.0 in doubles (and most USTA matches are doubles), although he and David had a very nice result against Rinconada A! He will be bumped next year, though.
Yeah he was on my 4.5 team and he did really well. He almost beat one of the best players in the region
Kevin kevin kevin, you make the same mistakes I typically do when I play my buddy. I know my friend typically has a worse back hand, you gotta hit there and pick on it! Kent's got a go for broke mentality which I dig but all good, can't wait for part duece!
Thanks! Yeah his forehands were really powerful. Part 2 is out!
bro, i only needed to watch 30 sec of the video. no way that guy is 4.0. not a chance.
haha that’s what i’m saying
You see his backhand? Prob not because it doesn’t exist.
He hits it w one leg. 4.0 max
Exactly what I was thinking, he's a 2.5 player max.
@@zachmeloche8577 Agreed. He has a big forehand which would make you think he's a 4.5 but his backhand is far too weak to compete with a competent 4.5 player. More than half of his backhands were very short slices. I'd take advantage of every short ball by hitting an approach and attacking the net. In addition, very few rally's hit more than 3 balls.
If my first serve got returned like that I would've shed a few tears T_T
It happens! But there’s always next point:) Also my first serve was near non existent this match, mostly just second serves
You both must be Jack Sock fans with those extreme forehands lol. Very ferocious
@@HankHell41 Haha thanks! I wish my forehand was half as effective lol
Kent played way better than many other RUclips channels players pretending to be 4.5.
@@andreasmueller8353 😂
i would love to play you! loved your game style
He certainly has a powerful serve and forehand and also a pretty good net game. But, he did start making quite a few errors. If you judge him by his power, he's certainly a 4.5+, but match results are the only thing that matters to rating. So, I would have to assume he normally makes more errors than he did in your first set. He seems like he could be a streaky player. If he is on, he's a beast, but if he starts going off then he beats himself... It will be interesting to see the third set. Hope you didn't do permanent damage to your elbow!!
Didn't understand why in the 1st set you weren't going after his backhand. He looked waaaay less confident in his backhand, going for too many slices and drop shots on that side as a "way out". But yet you were going after his forehand, which is a weapon! Great playing! As far as ratings, well... You got to play in a lot of tournaments to have an acurate rating (NTRP or UTR). If he is not playing too much, or if he just got back into playing, that explains the rating.
Thanks! I think i changed my strategy in the second because I didn’t want to lose. In practice I tend to rally/hit to my opponents strengths to get more of a challenge. In a match with real stakes, I’m going to try to expose my opponents weaknesses more for sure.
I’m not sure if he’s C or S rated but i’m sure he’ll get bumped soon :)
I think if you go to his backhand more often you'd win that match pretty easy. His forehand is significantly better than his backhand and it seemed like you were going to that side about 80% of time. You could also move into the net on his backhand, i don't see him having a consistent passing shot off that side. Great video !
Thank you!
Shot depth is the key
Did he know he was going on youtube lol lot's of discussions about him
Yeah ofc, we played this match for YT lol
@kvnliang How do you add scoreboard to your video? It looks really nice!
Thanks! I created it in Canva
What’s your string and tension?
Volkl Cyclone Tour @56
The guy with 4.5 should have played more towards backhand of 4.0 guy… backhand is definitely weaker and vulnerable
6:15 you found his weakness, overheads
My weakness too 😂
What racket you use?
Head speed pro (in this video it was the legend 2023 version)
which tennis racquet do you use in my estimation it looks like gravity
im using the head speed pro (2023 legend) in this vid
It looks like he was not very comfortable with his over head today.
Maybe play some drop and lob make him run next game?
See what happens.
Your forehand technique is very unique. What type of grip do you use? Western?
Super western haha
Funny. That's called a continental grip, and IMO, it's preventing you from aptly stabilizing (opening) your FH grip for more power and a chance at inside-out angles down the line. (But in all other respects you have gr8 form.)
This guy should start 4.5 ..for a decade I played . 4.0.. i have some experience.
Kent looked pretty relaxed in the first set and Kevin did not. That switched in the 2nd set. Kevin should do more inside out forehand and hit Kent's backhand. Kevin was predictable with always going for the forehand to deuce side when there was a short ball. Kent just stayed in that corner and waited.
here is some small advice... learn how to hit a flat forehand where you actually drive through the ball. Not to replace your current forehand, but just to add some variety. Too often you would have him under pressure and then hit a loopy forehand that allowed him to recover. You were both good players, I didn't think this guy was sandbagging. He may have just been "on". Ratings seem right
i agree im always waiting for that flat forehand to finish but its mostly topspin😅 but still doing really well!
You should’ve kept going for his backhand because it’s not as good as his forehand. He was slicing 97% of the time.
I’m just curious if you’ve ever tried changing your forehand grip and take back. I think this is causing you to make so many unforced errors. It’s also harder to be aggressive.
You had some chances but I think the extreme forehand grip & take back makes a thin contact with the ball, making your shot too loopy and lose pace (hitting the net or giving chance for opponent to attack). Other parts of your game is good. I think you have potential.
Thanks! I did think about it a bit more in the second set when I was down, but I liked playing to his forehand because it was so good. (Just for practice)
And grip change has always been in the convo. But I think it works for me and I like the way it feels so I just decided to run with it for the foreseeable future. My coaches in the past were OK with it but that was a long time ago.
I think I can make progress despite some limitations and I want to work on other areas of my game at the moment. I feel like that would be a very big change even if I went the route of changing my FH and there are other really big issues with my game that I want to address first. But in the future who knows? I think it would be cool to have multiple forehand grips
@ That’s awesome! What ever works for you in the moment.
(Sub) What camera set up are you using?
This one was recorded with an amazon stick with a hook attachment lol but i have a swing stick as well (i find the swing stick to be less stable sometimes)
I use an IPhone15 to record it with SwingVision
@@kvnliang I've put off getting swing vision mostly because I use android and don't really like MAC books. I manually add stats to my videos, takes a decent amount of time but seeing the stats really helps you identify how you won or lose....from a statistical perspective. Good videos though....ole Kent about got ya
Feels weird to say since you're so fast, but I think your footwork could use some improvement. I saw a lot of forehands where you got there in plenty of time, but your hitting platform was off and you had to adjust during your stroke. This is especially important when playing against a big hitter like Kent; his heavy strokes will rob you of a lot of time.
Great match, and I hope your elbow feels better!
Oh, and tell Kent he needs to work on preparation for his overhead. He's not getting sideways, and remains way to square to the net. He needs to get sideways early and work on his feet!
Thanks! And yeah great point, i feel like I’m often out of position on my shots a lot of time. Definitely need to work on my footwork
Cmon, that guy in white is not a 4.0!!!! I e been a tennis pro/coach/USPTA Rater as well for about 30 yrs, after watching the first 4 games I would stake my career that he’s at least a 4.7 just slightly better than a 4.5!!!! 4.0’s can’t hit with that much pace and control when hitting passing shots, or can they accurately hit spots with their serves with that much pop as well. He has every shot, can play with spin, slice, can hit drop shots, is very consistent and can handle pace and use it with precision, he’s much closer to 5.0 than 4.0 that’s for sure….In New England he would be bounced from the 4.0s and be made to play in 4.5s
Kent is definitely > than 4.0
my boy kent started gassing out the second set, and I feel it in my heart b/c I've been out for years and is now getting back to it. It's not always obvious until you know what to look for, but you can see he started getting a little sluggish with his movement, he started winning less free point from his serve and couldn't keep his pace to dictate the rally, then it starts to get into your head. The soundtrack of my comeback so far, lol
he played an entire match before this lol
Great vid! I would rly do something about your grip. You get very restricted by it.
Thanks! Hard to change it at this point haha
Easier then u think. Did it myself after playing for 25 years. Sees like u have a good understanding of tennis. I bet u will play better then you are now within 3 months. Start hitting slow balls with a partner and get the feel of it.
What grip is that?
super western
I got confused in the end who's Kent who's Kevin 😂😂
😂 I’m the short one without the hat
@ I know 🤣 but you’ve put the serving name wrong in the end haha.
Joke aside, your FH is interesting and your BH looks amazing too! Keep it up 🫡
bruh what grip u use lol you created whole another level or grip
@@tshd4B2ZNWS lol people call it hawaiian but its just slightly more extreme western
Good game
That forehand looks ugly but works for you.
Is this cuesta park?? Lol I go to the highschool there
Haha yea it’s at cuesta
Well done. 4.0 amd 4.5 are quite close and they do overlap. In otherwords, a 4.0 can beat a 4.5 as much as a 4.5 can beat a 4.0 in most cases. Unless you are comparing a very good 4.5 with a very weak 4.0 then the difference would be significant
Well said!
Nah…an average 4.5 should beat an average 4.0 every time.
@@ViaticalTree very general yes, but definitely not every time. Even top 10 pros dont beat top 50 pros all the time. There are good days and bad days for players.
@@DonYang73 The margins are a lot narrower at the top of the game so they don’t compare that way at all.
@@ViaticalTree agree to disagree
With that serve and FH, Kents movement and BH better be dog poo to be considered a 4.0. Kevin on the other hand is one speedy guy.
Kevin, you eventually got to his legs but I think you needed to have worked his movement harder in the first set. Sometimes I play a 50yo falling(en)4.5 lefty who goes 6ft 2.5in 230lbs all I can do is hit to the corners and make him work for every point.
Yea for sure! I was giving him too many balls down the middle in the beginning
Maaan. I thought i was 4.0 but i dont think i belong on the court with either of these players
haha i think Kent should be 4.5. he’s a very very strong 4.0
Why you keep hitting to his forehand?
@@okentan Just a friendly-ish practice match! I get better practice by going for his stronger shot. Also because I’m stubborn and I wanted to try to out hit his forehand haha
Red shorts guy foot fault on the serve
i recommend doing a 3.0 pickleball singles tournament. as a tennis player you have a good chance of winning a medal.
this may be a fun video idea :)
Why is the guy in the blue standing all the way in mars
to return the serve lol
why were you attacking his forehand so much?
i’m stubborn
Am i seeing hawiian grip here?
yep! or super extreme western
@@kvnliang dissallows you from putting your weight behind your forehand in your shots...youre forced to lean back and/or pull ur chest up early to compensate for the extreme grip, curious why youd use it considering the other parts of your game are pretty good.
nearly every single forehand you hit is off your backfoot like youre almost falling back/having your weight on your backfoot rather than being able to step into your shot, im sure u know this im jus confused why the preference.
@@staysyvl Yeah I need to work on that a bit. I think playing against a bunch of heavier hitters changed my game to be more counter punchy. I like playing people who give me pace and like redirecting shots.
But I am working on stepping in more, but against Kent I didn't get many opportunities especially early on
@@kvnliang perhaps, i think its the grip alone thats preventing you from having your weight behind your shot though. Pros who play Nadal are still able to have their weight going forward vs back... i think your grip is requiring you to pull your chest up instead of keep it down, because if you kept it down its be a lot more uncomfy imo. Something u might could look into imo
Kent's serve is too good to be a 4.0 player, most 4.0 players don't have such a powerful serve+fh.
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Just another sand bagger. When I played 4.5 leagues there were former D1 college throwing games at the end of the season just to maintain a 4.5 rating.
I don’t think it’s intentional, he’s C rated iirc so probably just goofy USTA rating system. But yes i’ve seen people in 4.5 who are utr 11+ 😅
@@kvnliang what’s Kent’s UTR, btw?
@@TennisBaller88 he’s 7.xx i believe not sure what the last 2 digits are
@@kvnliang wow, he plays like UTR 8.xx. Maybe his UTR is 7.99 lol
4.52- my God, what an awful smash, he missed an easy sitter, heck, even I could have made that shot, maybe he should work on his smash more.
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Don't wanna sound like a jerk or that I'm trolling and I don't know where this was but if this was in southern Cali then yea they're both 4.0
@@vonanthonydellaban dang that’s crazy socal tennis must be pretty good then. What’s the avg utr for a 4.5 in socal?
You are definitely an excellent player but you are not 6 ft 4 inches tall plus and that matters for kick serves and easy service winners from tall guys aces. 4.5 usta rating requirements include excellent kick serves and if u ain't tall that hurts you for rating
You know, taking your racquet that far back doesn't do give you anymore power
Yeah if ur referring to ground strokes i do it more so because im used to it and it helps me get into a rhythm
If you're talking his serve motion my shoulder gets sore just watching it. Kevin I think for the long term health of your shoulder you should look at the take back motion. Spend some time throwing a football. It will help fix the take back you currently have
@ Yeah i’ve been told to keep it more compact. I’ve had shoulder issues in HS that led to my form changing a lot over time. Working on fixing it tho!
Bro is smurfing, report him to the devs
Haha best comment
My mate in Tasmania hits flat out winners off those medium pace balls to the centre you're hitting. So what level does that make him?
that's a 4.5... a sandbagger.. LOL
Because he’s not a 4.0
Is that too simple of an answer?
Yeah. Looks more like 4.5.
I agree
No net play, no variety in the play, he gets a short ball, hits it and retreats to the baseline only to start the baseline grind all over. Come on bro vary your game, even if you get passed at the net you're adding another layer to your game.
Working on it bro, thanks :)
He's a 4.0 because he doesn't have a backhand.
Maybe you are not 4.5? 😬
Sorry, just a thought.
Ouch lol
@kvnliang 😳
@@anthonyzak to be fair i had pretty good success in 4.5 last season, only lost one match in sectionals :D
Then my question is how am I a 2 ??? I am a minimum 5 to 6 player