I’ve seen of this in newspaper MailOnline but as yet no indication of sort of quantity of energy they’re talking about & associated with that what kind of density. At least it gives a valid conceptual outline of the technology behind the limitless continuous energy source. Bravo to these scientists & I hope a successful product range results & then hopefully a whole new class & wide number of suppliers of energy harvesting products. The future, our futures may all be bright.
Usually you would need incomprehensible amounts...a lot of findings won't function because you have to go into the way to small or large...without that being possible.
Estimated that 1 billion Air-gens, stacked would be roughly the size of a refrigerator, and could produce a kilowatt and partly power a home in ideal conditions
@Martin W wow that’s both impressive (from a usable area POV even though that’s a fair ol’ volume) & its problematic because failing the discovery of an as-yet unknown self-assembly enabling nanotechnology, how do you amass a million layered copies of anything? In any given space no matter the absolute size once that total compound object’s beyond & above what we consider everyday macroscopic!
@@martinw245 Wow, so can you imagine the irony of how much electricity could be produced by a stack of Air-gens the size of say, the Hoover Dam? Yes, read sarcasm and irony in my reply, plus hope. Because there's no silver bullet. Still... from the research abstract: "The work opens a wide door for the broad exploration of sustainable electricity from air."
@Jan Williams Indeed, I guess there might be diminishing returns or some other variable at play that would render a Hoover Dam sized device impractical. Cost would certainly render it impractical.
Interesting. There's often issues when technologies are scaled up from the lab environment to commercial scale. But some do go on to become commercially viable, like solar. This is certainly one to watch. Thanks E.V.
It would seem that the biggest problem is going to arise in wanting to keep membranes that have micron perforations clean from contamination. Any particle would be enough to cover those perforations, and nullify the effect.
At least until the nano material gets plugged up, all the more likely if there is a charge differential (electro-static charge) present. In anycase, it isn't going to be much electricity, similar to harvesting the difference in electric potential between different heights. These devices generate power on the micro-watt scale... not enough to really be useful outside of powering an ultra-low-power sensor, and they usually can't scale. Don't hold your breath.
Agree 100%. But further...Why the f**ck does EV take the cheap and annoying route of consistently bombarding the viewer with a parade of utterly irrelevant eye candy montages? Why?! Because other sites do it too? Anyway....this latest 'breakthrough' 'infinite 'free' energy' hype is just that - hype designed to secure more gov funding.
@@KevinNolan-f5p Its a good point. Real scientific breakthroughs come a lot more slowly than RUclips dailies, and the winners tend to sneak up on people years later. This is a problem for basic research too... takes years of devotion and is just not sexy enough to take risks on. Its why the world tends to plateau and stagnate for a bit before the next big thing kicks it in the butt.
Says a unit the size of a refrigerator can produce a kw/hour. But it runs 24hrs a day. Storing that energy in a battery during low peak and over night averages enough to power a small home.
@@motoarzan791 Big game of telephone distorts reality. Nowhere in the original source material does it say that. Here is an exact quote from the original "Finally, because air humidity diffuses in three-dimensional space and the thickness of the Air-gen device is only a fraction of the width of a human hair, many thousands of them can be stacked on top of each other, efficiently scaling up the amount of energy without increasing the footprint of the device. Such an Air-gen device would be capable of delivering kilowatt-level power for general electrical utility usage." Now think about that for a moment. I see a ton of problems just reading the article. Among other things, these diffusers are nano-architected materials and while theoretically you fit a lot of the material in a small volume, the cost would likely be astronomical and just getting the airflow working in the first place would be difficult. Let alone keeping the whole thing operating smoothly and not clogging up. No actual power levels are mentioned, not even for the experiments they have already performed. Everything is left vague. What does "kilowatt-level" power mean in this context? In what volume? At what cost? How is the electricity retained? What voltages can it generate? It is left to the imagination of the media copy-and-pasting the article to fill in the blanks. Another quote: "The researchers say that the current generation of Air-gen devices are able to power small electronics, and they expect to bring the invention to commercial scale soon. Next steps they plan include developing a small Air-gen “patch” that can power electronic wearables such as health and fitness monitors and smart watches, which would eliminate the requirement for traditional batteries. They also hope to develop Air-gens to apply to cell phones to eliminate periodic charging." Health and fitness devices uses microwatts to milliwatts of power. The phone comment omits any mention of actual power levels. Now lets go even further back... back to the original article in Nature from 2020. Here is a quote from the abstract: "The devices produce a sustained voltage of around 0.5 volts across a 7-micrometre-thick film, with a current density of around 17 microamperes per square centimetre. " The only hard numbers in this entire media mess is 0.5V @ 17uA per square centimetre. 7.5uW / cm^2. That is less power than the nuclear battery fad that made the rounds last year!
@@junkerzn7312 yup, not happening soon or cheaply but it does sound pretty sweet if it scales. theoretically you could squeeze 1428 layers in a cm thickness though but i'm guessing they couldn't be stacked that tight for some reasons anyway. i'm trying to picture some kind of method for making the countless holes and i guess lasers is what seems obvious, maybe something along the lines of how computer chips are made....yeah, it'll be a while, but almost everything in R&D and manufacturing seems to be accelerating, changes are coming faster and faster edit: i'm reminded of graphene, seemed impossible to make much at first but we've figured out some ways
This really is a breakthrough, because it is a way of harvesting atmospheric energy at a more fundamental level than wind turbines. But I wouldn't be selling my shares in wind turbine or solar PV just yet because I can see 8~10 years to really commercialise this.
To imagine we humans can’t do without Air for a minute explains how powerful is Air 🔥 There’s no problem without a solution . it can only get better 🔥🔥 The future is here .. we keep dreaming for a free world for everyone ❤️ God bless you Gods of the earth 🙏🏽
I did a "ghost detector" some years ago. It is just 3 or 4 bc547 transistors making the input of the device extremly sensitive for electric charges in the air, because it is what it is detecting, and there are electric charges in the air I think all around this planet - but to harvest, moore than just for experiments - I do not know. But I imagine that we have some kind of "energy soup" all around us everyware 😎
"Free" limitless energy is a bit of an overstatement. We already have limitless solar and wind, particularly when combined with energy storage. However, none of these limitless energy sources are "free." Nanopore material will cost something to produce. The question is how much, particularly compared to solar, wind and other limitless alternatives.
They're trying to baffle people with finely polished bull scat. It will only work if the water is 100% pure and if there are no particulates in the air. Under any other conditions it will become clogged very quickly, just like any other filter. It's not a new idea; Benjamin Franklin tried to capture electricity from the air, for example. And the variations of electric charge differences at different heights have even been used as a way to stabilise model aircraft. That was being being done in the 1970's, before GPS was available. They talk about kilowatt scale generators. But that can only be realised if the 'collector' area is big enough. The amounts of electricity available per square metre is microwatts to a few milliwatts, under ideal conditions. So a useful array would be huge, even if it could be made to work reliably. The amount of man-made Radio Frequency energy in the air is on a similar scale, under average conditions. Thermal energy at night is far more abundant. And I don't buy that multi-layer story for one second. How could the moist air which has had most of the electricity it contains sucked out of it via one membrane give the same amount again at a second, closely positioned membrane? Also, can you imagine the havoc which would be caused to this type of collector by a nearby thunderstorm? A more conventional generator system, including both 'green' and fossil fuelled ones would be far more resilient. It would be far simpler and more efficient to use wind power, Solar power, water or tidal power and store the excess in batteries. Given the need for super clean conditions, and the very low yield per square metre, meaning large arrays, would mean there is no way that such a system as this could provide useful amounts of electrical energy 'for free'. I have a readily available source for a large quantity of salt here, if anyone else wants to take a pinch of it for free. But if I'm proved to be wrong about calling this a clever example of wool being used to obscure popke's vision, and it being a way to wangle taxpayer's money out of government coffers, or funds from private companies with more cashflow than sense, then please let me know, and show me a working system which gives useful amounts of electricity at low cost. I'll apologise immediately.
This published research has been retracted following agreement between the Author and Publisher citing data integrity issues. "Retraction: Colloidal Cobalt Phosphide Nanocrystals as Trifunctional Electrocatalysts for Overall Water Splitting Powered by a Zinc-Air Battery"
Precipitation static collection is a real thing. It's the same thing that generates lightning. The mechanism is triboelectric generation. Snow is an especially efficient generator because the air can be very dry. If you have a long wire radio antenna you need a DC shunt on it or you can blow up your radio. I had one that came into the lab on a coax and every few seconds in a snowstorm it would arc over to ground with at least ten thousand volts. SNAP! Once I calculated how much energy you'd get in a lightning bolt and it was about $100 worth at retail rates. To harvest it, you'd need a large tower and a huge capacitor/inverter contraption that could take the short pulse and store it. It would only work well with precipitation events, so fairly low return on investment. All the tall towers are grounded to prevent static building up on them, and divert lightning strikes.
I forsee 2 problems. 1. That the pores will become blocked with contaminants or corrosion 2. That you need large amounts of humid air, and will suffer from the parasitic energy waste of pumping in air. removing their charge will likely cause them to condense, which could be good for creating water but it will block the pores and not just drain out. Really can't see it working large scale because of that, could be another radioactive diamond battery scam.
I appreciate your comment as I always look for the cons of this type of new tech, also could you elaborote on the scam diamond battery, I heard good things about it but I had some suspicions
@@MaxMax-vf3xk Well might be unfair calling it a scam, but it was at least an overstated investment opportunity. You can turn radioactive waste into diamond batteries, so that its safe, and they last practically forever, but the problem is the tiny amount of power they produce limits their uses. As usual with these things its what they don't tell you thats important.
I just read this. Thanks for the link. 2:15. What about water? I guess this: It goes back to the mean speed of molecules - the mean speed of molecules in a liquid is much different than the mean speed of molecules in a vapor phase. None of the H2O would be hitting the material fast enough to cause a charge transfer to happen. Pros: There are plenty of zeolite compounds that have this surface detail. This is just about the scale of pitting we can get with lasers on thin films. Cons: By definition this creates a charged surface - dust particles will cling to it and eventually block the pores. 2d structures are all we can accomplish - we would need to create 3d materials for the power density to be worth considering as an option. Cool tech, tho...
Great ! An esoteric Lab experiment proves that it's possible to spend unlimited amounts of funding to harvest a miniscule energy source ! I can do the same with a lemon, a copper nail and a galvanised nail - for almost nothing ! (Maybe I should apply for a vast fund of TAXPAYERS money ?)
@@martinw245 Um. Sure. Not sure how that would solve the problem of water vapor impurities. Or am I mistaken, and water vapor is as pure as distilled water? I mean, for the pollen and other particles, a filter would probably solve that, though I don't know how that would affect water vapor transfer.
@RichardRoy2 When water vapour forms in the atmosphere, it leaves its imputires behind. So, there is no issue there. As for atmospheric dust, like pollen, I would imagine it sits on the surface, as pollen grains and dust are bigger than the nano pores. I would think that the refrigerator sized device that it said could produce 1 kilowatt would have filters that filter the air before it reaches the device.
1. The energy has to come from somewhere. Where? Lightening has winds. 2. The picture of a pawl and cogwheel is IMPOSSIBLE. It's a perpetual motion machine! Feynman discussed and explained why it would fail. Those images should NOT be included as they indicate a scam. It may well work, but I don't see how. Hmm. Is it near April 1? No, June 1 coming up. ... June fools day?
Just by using common sense I think that the air which goes through those channels has to be filtered and has to be crystal-clear otherwise it's going to clog up those channels. And what about the minerals in the water?
It sounds promising. It seems like an energy revolution is about to befall us . I would like to be around when the full effect of it comes into fruition
Personally I like your concept of utilizing water. When you mentioned water I had a storm of ideas on how to transfer electricity through the water at a nanometer spectrum size.
GREAT!! Now we can have robots and cars that breathe to get electricity. But this was 3 years ago and haven't really heard much from it in a while sooo.
Anytime you hear "free energy" you know it's at least partly BS. Free as in the 'fuel' is free like a solar cell at best, solar cells as relatively cheap as they've become are far from free and this idea, if it works, won't be free either.
@@Mrbfgray the mechanism behind it is real and works but in this case it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. It is kinda like a more efficient version of capturing energy from the voltage gradeante but only from humidity this time. Fusion is a example but it has gone somewhere but needs more development but a helium 3 and deuterium reaction will be the way to go and will be the cheapest and actually the easiest to work with and produces almost no radiation but too much money seems to have been spent in the deuterium and tritium reaction. And solar can literally be free if you want!
@@mrnobody.4069 Solar can be free on the margin, it'll never be free, but eventually very cheap. It will always cost something significant to mfg, install, maintain and replace. I welcome fusion tech for eventual space travel utility say, but that's likely a century away. Also for the science and tech advancements in general. Seriously doubt it will ever compete with 'indirect fusion', aka., solar on Earth, simply due to capital cost. Unless one of the alternative long shot attempts succeeds, these tokomaks seem inherently extremely expensive.
@@Mrbfgray indeed. I'd say about 20 years away fusion is and that's mostly speculations on Helions reactor because it's the most simple and the most scalable design and it's the most efficient gathering the most energy out of its reactions and I got more prototypes coming! There was something called inertial confinement fusion which later had a beyond net energy gain but there are problems and that is that this reactor uses tritium unlike hellions helium 3 and it destroyed its own fusion fuel container which means it cannot be ran continuously at least not right now but they're still hope especially for that form of fusion especially since that reactor was built using technology from the 1980s and early 2000s!
Deliberately ionizing the air with microwaves and radio waves will free electrons, and the free electrons will collect onto a conductor due to the behavior of atoms in conductive material: metalic bonding. I love science 😊
ASX listed company Strategic Elements have had a working, printable, self-charging battery for more than a year now. It also harvests electrical energy from humidity.
What we need to know is the level of current one square millimeter of the material can generate. because an amp is a huge amount of electrons moving from a higher voltage to a lower voltage. The real power of a generator in watt comes from the multiplication of the voltage with the amperage. High volage of water vapor in the clouds results in a much lower voltage near the ground and the high power of an electric lightning comes from the high voltage multiplied by a relatively low current. I don't expect powerfull generator with that kind of device with the low voltage of the electrons in the water vapor near the ground.
NASA - Sea Level: "Achieving an accuracy of 10 percent of the sea height would mean that for a sea height of 1 meter (3.28 feet), the accuracy would be within 10 centimeters (3.9 inches). Such accuracy was likely challenging to achieve with the tide gauges used 50 years ago. It's important to note that advancements in technology and improved measurement techniques have led to more accurate and precise sea level measurements in recent years, combining tide gauge data with satellite altimetry and other methods. These advancements have provided a better understanding of global and regional sea level changes with higher accuracy." Sea Level is measured by tide height. The Earth and Moon and Sun do not rotate consistently. There is wobble between these bodies that cause different tide heights in 'cycles'. The margin of error of this measurement is greater than the 'rise' we have seen in the past 50 years.
Every difference in the universe holds a potential - which can be converted to an electric current...which is working towards neutralizing the difference...but some differences are so vast we humans will never deplete them.
There’s no doubt that the average global sea level has been increasing ever since the world started to warm after the Little Ice Age ended around 1850. But there’s no reliable scientific evidence that the rate of rise is accelerating, or that the rise is associated with any human contribution to global warming. A comprehensive 2018 report on sea level and climate change by Judith Curry, a respected climate scientist and global warming skeptic, emphasizes the complexity of both measuring and trying to understand recent sea level rise. Because of the switch in 1993 from tide gauges to satellite altimetry as the principal method of measurement, the precise magnitude of sea level rise as well as projections for the future are uncertain. According to both Curry and the UN’s IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), the average global rate of sea level rise from 1901 to 2010 was 1.7 mm (about 1/16th of an inch) per year. In the latter part of that period from 1993 onward, the rate of rise was 3.2 mm per year, almost double the average rate - though this estimate is considered too high by some experts. But, while the sudden jump may seem surprising and indicative of acceleration, the fact is that the globally averaged sea level fluctuates considerably over time.
This may sound a bit like Maxwell's Demon, but not really. The energy being harvested comes from the Sun, which both causes the humidity in the air and gives it motion (by warming it). This research is published in a highly respected peer-reviewed journal and is not the result of magical thinking. One half volt, even if only at microamp currents, is enough for many applications (e.g., tiny distributed sensors in fields and forests or perhaps smart bandaids, etc.). The "exciting" thing about so much new R&D is what it might look like 5 or 10 years from now.
I know if I get excited and do some research, I'm going to find that you need a mass the size of the moon to run a toaster or something, so I'm just going to move on.
This reminds me of Nikola Tesla, he mentioned something like this...hopefully it’s one of his theories being realised, now that the technology is becoming available 😲
yep... changes everything, and nothing, all at the same time, most likely. - You will be a slave for ever - own nothing, pay for ever... Klaus applauds your bravery... lol... Every time energy from fresh air has appeared (or its historical analogue), the active ingredients suddenly become extremely expensive... hmm, specialised protein.. hmmmmmmmm. for ever, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm gtfo.. dude... ha ha ha ha... smoke some more weed/
Not as sexy as a Tokamak, but amazingly simple! Where does the charge come from though? a cloud's particles are constantly jostling about in the sky getting heated by the sun, allowing the charge/imbalance to build up as 'free' energy. How is that bit replicated? Do they use a motor/pump to pass the water through a 'seive'. if so, is the energy expenditure the same as the output?
The ionic charge in water is constantly being generated by molecules colliding and UV exposure. A glass of water has these charged particles, as does the water in your body - it's everywhere. The trick is to separate the positive from the negative to obtain voltage.
We are living in interesting times. So many different approaches being developed. Eventually we will get fusion up and running, and I think that will be the real deal. Some companies are claiming some energy production from fusion in the 2030's. Stay tuned!
Starting your video title with a double clear lie in the 3 first words "Free limitless energy" make you sound like people you do NOT want to be associated with of strongly negative or at best near zero value. CHANGE IT!!! ...if you do not want to come off as extremely un-serious or worse at first glance... Energy is never limitless since you can only extract and convert some of the energy that is already there and this conversion is never free since the extraction equipment has a cost to be made and maintained/renewed and usually there is running costs, capital costs, etc as well...
Interesting article. I wonder how large they will need to scale this to produce a useful amount of energy. And consequently, at that scale, will they be able to control it.
Estimated that 1 billion Air-gens, stacked would be roughly the size of a refrigerator and could produce a kilowatt and partly power a home in ideal conditions
I do not think water will work because they will be no airgen effect because there is no gap large enough or wide enough for the potential to breach for the electrical energy
One question How much have water levels risen ? Much less than previously predicted but of course i hope this technology is massively successful 👍 Any updates on the Nanoppre convertors?
blogs.egu.eu/divisions/gd/files/2017/09/figure3.jpg One of the first predictions on 1990. As you can see the actual satellite data shows that the actual trend is just below the best fit model. We have better models now, but those predictions are amazing despite the lack of satellite information.
If such a technology were to prove viable, I would foresee 2 big things happening: The first would be a seismic change to society, the second would be many existing industries collapsing, triggering financial upheavals much worse than those of the 2010 banking failures, and covid/Russian invasion combined! Watch for the energy giants buying up any patents and companies they can, then BURYING THEM in the deepest hole they can dig.
More likely, they will never get appreciable amounts of energy from it, because there isn't that much to get. It will quietly die, and conspiracy theorists will conclude that THE OIL COMPANIES squelched it.
My first thought is why is this going to be the one? But I have heard something about it before. If this thing only works in a gaseous environment. It seems to me you could simulate humidity by dipping the device in water, periodically But I come back to, why this method now?
Its not crazy Its not ridiculous Its nature. Our planet is a giant generator. We judt havent tapped into it. Tesla knew this many know this.... but we need the technology and golbal peace to achive greatness as a civilization
Notice the gear they are wearing in probably highly clean environment. I think it would certainly be a challenge to keep such a device from clogging up from particulates in the air. And if you filtered the air your are likley removing moisture and using energy to do it that youll probably never get back. Nice lab experiment though.
*Nikola Tesla* was doing this 100 years ago and it was alluded to by *Ayn Rand* in her 1950s novel, *"Atlas Shrugged".* It is also called: *"Antiquitech"* and is the primary reason for the CROSS shape ( sorry christians ) which is why tall churches and cathedrals ( _CATH_ ? ) put crosses high up in the air. If Elon wanted to do something extraordinary for the "humanity" he claims to love so much, he'd stop behaving like a _21st century robber baron_ and produce products that harvest their own free energy. But he won't. First and foremost, he is a *robber baron* ( right out of the Rockefeller handbook ) and, he'd be dead before the first products came off the assembly line.
Sounds good, but the voltage difference are so small as to be uneconomical . "Water" is not understood. There is a whole field of science explaining the structure between the accepted phase of liquid & solid.
@@TonyGrant. From AI: A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work infinitely without an external energy source[1]. It is a machine that moves perpetually and never stops This is a perpetual motion machine - it has no external energy source and it never stops. Granted, it does not move but it produces energy forever from nothing. It's a fraud...
Ocean levels have been hundreds of feel lower and Higher and plant life and life in general and it's worked out right? I agree we should make efforts to go green with our energy and we are and it's happening with or without Government involvement. It's inevitable now that the ball is rolling thanks to Elon Musk. We will have to invest in tech that can make the planet colder and warmer. The climate changes and has changed hotter and colder without our input while we have been in existence. We will be able to get through it much better now as long as it's not driven by massive asteroid, or comet strikes or other natural massive extinction level catastrophe like a super volcano or nuclear war. Tesla, SpaceX, Neurolink and Boring Company will get us there.
Except the oceans are not rising by any consequential amount. They have been rising for millennia, very slowly, and are still rising at the same very slow rate. So slow that Barack Obama didn't blink when he bought a mansion on the beach of the Atlantic Ocean.
After processing what state is the air in? Like is this just converting latent thermal energy into electricity? If so, at scale is it just cooling or drying atmosphere? I guess that’s ok until it’s not. Great vid thanks
sounds like it works just like how lightning forms in a cloud, basically just collecting static charge out of the air. i don't think that would make it hotter or colder or anything but don't quote me on that, or any of this, heh
Imagine what they could harvest out of fat air
I know right!!
Chicharrones?
Fat is where it’s at
free hamburgers
Hahaha nice
I’ve seen of this in newspaper MailOnline but as yet no indication of sort of quantity of energy they’re talking about & associated with that what kind of density. At least it gives a valid conceptual outline of the technology behind the limitless continuous energy source. Bravo to these scientists & I hope a successful product range results & then hopefully a whole new class & wide number of suppliers of energy harvesting products. The future, our futures may all be bright.
Usually you would need incomprehensible amounts...a lot of findings won't function because you have to go into the way to small or large...without that being possible.
Estimated that 1 billion Air-gens, stacked would be roughly the size of a refrigerator, and could produce a kilowatt and partly power a home in ideal conditions
@Martin W wow that’s both impressive (from a usable area POV even though that’s a fair ol’ volume) & its problematic because failing the discovery of an as-yet unknown self-assembly enabling nanotechnology, how do you amass a million layered copies of anything? In any given space no matter the absolute size once that total compound object’s beyond & above what we consider everyday macroscopic!
@@martinw245 Wow, so can you imagine the irony of how much electricity could be produced by a stack of Air-gens the size of say, the Hoover Dam? Yes, read sarcasm and irony in my reply, plus hope. Because there's no silver bullet. Still...
from the research abstract: "The work opens a wide door for the broad exploration of sustainable electricity from air."
@Jan Williams
Indeed, I guess there might be diminishing returns or some other variable at play that would render a Hoover Dam sized device impractical. Cost would certainly render it impractical.
make a couple of micro watts for a tennis court size array
Interesting. There's often issues when technologies are scaled up from the lab environment to commercial scale. But some do go on to become commercially viable, like solar. This is certainly one to watch. Thanks E.V.
I can't resist... until there's a product this is literally, vaporware. Luvya Viking & family
It would seem that the biggest problem is going to arise in wanting to keep membranes that have micron perforations clean from contamination. Any particle would be enough to cover those perforations, and nullify the effect.
At least until the nano material gets plugged up, all the more likely if there is a charge differential (electro-static charge) present. In anycase, it isn't going to be much electricity, similar to harvesting the difference in electric potential between different heights. These devices generate power on the micro-watt scale... not enough to really be useful outside of powering an ultra-low-power sensor, and they usually can't scale. Don't hold your breath.
Agree 100%. But further...Why the f**ck does EV take the cheap and annoying route of consistently bombarding the viewer with a parade of utterly irrelevant eye candy montages? Why?!
Because other sites do it too? Anyway....this latest 'breakthrough' 'infinite 'free' energy' hype is just that - hype designed to secure more gov funding.
@@KevinNolan-f5p Its a good point. Real scientific breakthroughs come a lot more slowly than RUclips dailies, and the winners tend to sneak up on people years later. This is a problem for basic research too... takes years of devotion and is just not sexy enough to take risks on.
Its why the world tends to plateau and stagnate for a bit before the next big thing kicks it in the butt.
Says a unit the size of a refrigerator can produce a kw/hour. But it runs 24hrs a day. Storing that energy in a battery during low peak and over night averages enough to power a small home.
@@motoarzan791 Big game of telephone distorts reality. Nowhere in the original source material does it say that. Here is an exact quote from the original
"Finally, because air humidity diffuses in three-dimensional space and the thickness of the Air-gen device is only a fraction of the width of a human hair, many thousands of them can be stacked on top of each other, efficiently scaling up the amount of energy without increasing the footprint of the device. Such an Air-gen device would be capable of delivering kilowatt-level power for general electrical utility usage."
Now think about that for a moment. I see a ton of problems just reading the article. Among other things, these diffusers are nano-architected materials and while theoretically you fit a lot of the material in a small volume, the cost would likely be astronomical and just getting the airflow working in the first place would be difficult. Let alone keeping the whole thing operating smoothly and not clogging up.
No actual power levels are mentioned, not even for the experiments they have already performed. Everything is left vague. What does "kilowatt-level" power mean in this context? In what volume? At what cost? How is the electricity retained? What voltages can it generate? It is left to the imagination of the media copy-and-pasting the article to fill in the blanks.
Another quote:
"The researchers say that the current generation of Air-gen devices are able to power small electronics, and they expect to bring the invention to commercial scale soon. Next steps they plan include developing a small Air-gen “patch” that can power electronic wearables such as health and fitness monitors and smart watches, which would eliminate the requirement for traditional batteries. They also hope to develop Air-gens to apply to cell phones to eliminate periodic charging."
Health and fitness devices uses microwatts to milliwatts of power. The phone comment omits any mention of actual power levels.
Now lets go even further back... back to the original article in Nature from 2020. Here is a quote from the abstract:
"The devices produce a sustained voltage of around 0.5 volts across a 7-micrometre-thick film, with a current density of around 17 microamperes per square centimetre. "
The only hard numbers in this entire media mess is 0.5V @ 17uA per square centimetre. 7.5uW / cm^2. That is less power than the nuclear battery fad that made the rounds last year!
@@junkerzn7312 yup, not happening soon or cheaply but it does sound pretty sweet if it scales. theoretically you could squeeze 1428 layers in a cm thickness though but i'm guessing they couldn't be stacked that tight for some reasons anyway. i'm trying to picture some kind of method for making the countless holes and i guess lasers is what seems obvious, maybe something along the lines of how computer chips are made....yeah, it'll be a while, but almost everything in R&D and manufacturing seems to be accelerating, changes are coming faster and faster
edit: i'm reminded of graphene, seemed impossible to make much at first but we've figured out some ways
Ionized water appears an ideal medium for generating electricity. As well as ionized air laden with moisture.
Makes sense, they're most likely just shedding excess electromagnetic energy during this process.
Nano structures are likely to produce nano amounts of electricity
This really is a breakthrough, because it is a way of harvesting atmospheric energy at a more fundamental level than wind turbines.
But I wouldn't be selling my shares in wind turbine or solar PV just yet because I can see 8~10 years to really commercialise this.
To imagine we humans can’t do without Air for a minute explains how powerful is Air 🔥
There’s no problem without a solution . it can only get better 🔥🔥
The future is here .. we keep dreaming for a free world for everyone ❤️
God bless you Gods of the earth 🙏🏽
I did a "ghost detector" some years ago. It is just 3 or 4 bc547 transistors making the input of the device extremly sensitive for electric charges in the air, because it is what it is detecting, and there are electric charges in the air I think all around this planet - but to harvest, moore than just for experiments - I do not know. But I imagine that we have some kind of "energy soup" all around us everyware 😎
Yes, but it's a pretty thin soup.
"Free" limitless energy is a bit of an overstatement. We already have limitless solar and wind, particularly when combined with energy storage. However, none of these limitless energy sources are "free." Nanopore material will cost something to produce. The question is how much, particularly compared to solar, wind and other limitless alternatives.
These should be implemented into hvac units.
They're trying to baffle people with finely polished bull scat.
It will only work if the water is 100% pure and if there are no particulates in the air. Under any other conditions it will become clogged very quickly, just like any other filter. It's not a new idea; Benjamin Franklin tried to capture electricity from the air, for example. And the variations of electric charge differences at different heights have even been used as a way to stabilise model aircraft. That was being being done in the 1970's, before GPS was available.
They talk about kilowatt scale generators. But that can only be realised if the 'collector' area is big enough. The amounts of electricity available per square metre is microwatts to a few milliwatts, under ideal conditions. So a useful array would be huge, even if it could be made to work reliably. The amount of man-made Radio Frequency energy in the air is on a similar scale, under average conditions. Thermal energy at night is far more abundant.
And I don't buy that multi-layer story for one second. How could the moist air which has had most of the electricity it contains sucked out of it via one membrane give the same amount again at a second, closely positioned membrane?
Also, can you imagine the havoc which would be caused to this type of collector by a nearby thunderstorm? A more conventional generator system, including both 'green' and fossil fuelled ones would be far more resilient.
It would be far simpler and more efficient to use wind power, Solar power, water or tidal power and store the excess in batteries.
Given the need for super clean conditions, and the very low yield per square metre, meaning large arrays, would mean there is no way that such a system as this could provide useful amounts of electrical energy 'for free'.
I have a readily available source for a large quantity of salt here, if anyone else wants to take a pinch of it for free.
But if I'm proved to be wrong about calling this a clever example of wool being used to obscure popke's vision, and it being a way to wangle taxpayer's money out of government coffers, or funds from private companies with more cashflow than sense, then please let me know, and show me a working system which gives useful amounts of electricity at low cost. I'll apologise immediately.
This published research has been retracted following agreement between the Author and Publisher citing data integrity issues. "Retraction: Colloidal Cobalt Phosphide Nanocrystals as Trifunctional Electrocatalysts for Overall Water Splitting Powered by a Zinc-Air Battery"
Precipitation static collection is a real thing. It's the same thing that generates lightning. The mechanism is triboelectric generation. Snow is an especially efficient generator because the air can be very dry. If you have a long wire radio antenna you need a DC shunt on it or you can blow up your radio. I had one that came into the lab on a coax and every few seconds in a snowstorm it would arc over to ground with at least ten thousand volts. SNAP!
Once I calculated how much energy you'd get in a lightning bolt and it was about $100 worth at retail rates. To harvest it, you'd need a large tower and a huge capacitor/inverter contraption that could take the short pulse and store it. It would only work well with precipitation events, so fairly low return on investment. All the tall towers are grounded to prevent static building up on them, and divert lightning strikes.
I forsee 2 problems.
1. That the pores will become blocked with contaminants or corrosion
2. That you need large amounts of humid air, and will suffer from the parasitic energy waste of pumping in air. removing their charge will likely cause them to condense, which could be good for creating water but it will block the pores and not just drain out.
Really can't see it working large scale because of that, could be another radioactive diamond battery scam.
I appreciate your comment as I always look for the cons of this type of new tech, also could you elaborote on the scam diamond battery, I heard good things about it but I had some suspicions
@@MaxMax-vf3xk Well might be unfair calling it a scam, but it was at least an overstated investment opportunity. You can turn radioactive waste into diamond batteries, so that its safe, and they last practically forever, but the problem is the tiny amount of power they produce limits their uses. As usual with these things its what they don't tell you thats important.
I just read this. Thanks for the link.
2:15. What about water?
I guess this:
It goes back to the mean speed of molecules - the mean speed of molecules in a liquid is much different than the mean speed of molecules in a vapor phase.
None of the H2O would be hitting the material fast enough to cause a charge transfer to happen.
Pros:
There are plenty of zeolite compounds that have this surface detail.
This is just about the scale of pitting we can get with lasers on thin films.
Cons:
By definition this creates a charged surface - dust particles will cling to it and eventually block the pores.
2d structures are all we can accomplish - we would need to create 3d materials for the power density to be worth considering as an option.
Cool tech, tho...
Great ! An esoteric Lab experiment proves that it's possible to spend unlimited amounts of funding to harvest a miniscule energy source ! I can do the same with a lemon, a copper nail and a galvanised nail - for almost nothing ! (Maybe I should apply for a vast fund of TAXPAYERS money ?)
I can almost hear Thunderfoot typing !
Interesting concept. One problem I can foresee is the clogging of the pours via impurities in the water. It could turn out to be its death.
Sounds like they are trying to harvest static electricity ....
My thoughts are that it's springtime in the northeast USA and the pollen is brutal, which would undoubtedly affect this "air battery."
@jim bayerle I think pollen grains are far bigger than the nano pores. So no clogging.
@@martinw245 Um. Sure. Not sure how that would solve the problem of water vapor impurities. Or am I mistaken, and water vapor is as pure as distilled water? I mean, for the pollen and other particles, a filter would probably solve that, though I don't know how that would affect water vapor transfer.
@RichardRoy2
When water vapour forms in the atmosphere, it leaves its imputires behind. So, there is no issue there.
As for atmospheric dust, like pollen, I would imagine it sits on the surface, as pollen grains and dust are bigger than the nano pores.
I would think that the refrigerator sized device that it said could produce 1 kilowatt would have filters that filter the air before it reaches the device.
1. The energy has to come from somewhere. Where? Lightening has winds. 2. The picture of a pawl and cogwheel is IMPOSSIBLE. It's a perpetual motion machine! Feynman discussed and explained why it would fail. Those images should NOT be included as they indicate a scam. It may well work, but I don't see how. Hmm. Is it near April 1? No, June 1 coming up. ... June fools day?
Just by using common sense I think that the air which goes through those channels has to be filtered and has to be crystal-clear otherwise it's going to clog up those channels. And what about the minerals in the water?
Bruh you need to stop falling for these. I respect you a lot
It sounds promising. It seems like an energy revolution is about to befall us . I would like to be around when the full effect of it comes into fruition
The energy revolution is solar wind and battery. Its already started.
Personally I like your concept of utilizing water. When you mentioned water I had a storm of ideas on how to transfer electricity through the water at a nanometer spectrum size.
Amazing.
@0:40 Sam actually said, "...researchers at the University of Mass-a-chew shits!"
GREAT!! Now we can have robots and cars that breathe to get electricity.
But this was 3 years ago and haven't really heard much from it in a while sooo.
Anytime you hear "free energy" you know it's at least partly BS. Free as in the 'fuel' is free like a solar cell at best, solar cells as relatively cheap as they've become are far from free and this idea, if it works, won't be free either.
@@Mrbfgray And it won't generate much electricity.
@@Mrbfgray the mechanism behind it is real and works but in this case it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. It is kinda like a more efficient version of capturing energy from the voltage gradeante but only from humidity this time.
Fusion is a example but it has gone somewhere but needs more development but a helium 3 and deuterium reaction will be the way to go and will be the cheapest and actually the easiest to work with and produces almost no radiation but too much money seems to have been spent in the deuterium and tritium reaction. And solar can literally be free if you want!
@@mrnobody.4069 Solar can be free on the margin, it'll never be free, but eventually very cheap. It will always cost something significant to mfg, install, maintain and replace.
I welcome fusion tech for eventual space travel utility say, but that's likely a century away. Also for the science and tech advancements in general.
Seriously doubt it will ever compete with 'indirect fusion', aka., solar on Earth, simply due to capital cost. Unless one of the alternative long shot attempts succeeds, these tokomaks seem inherently extremely expensive.
@@Mrbfgray indeed. I'd say about 20 years away fusion is and that's mostly speculations on Helions reactor because it's the most simple and the most scalable design and it's the most efficient gathering the most energy out of its reactions and I got more prototypes coming! There was something called inertial confinement fusion which later had a beyond net energy gain but there are problems and that is that this reactor uses tritium unlike hellions helium 3 and it destroyed its own fusion fuel container which means it cannot be ran continuously at least not right now but they're still hope especially for that form of fusion especially since that reactor was built using technology from the 1980s and early 2000s!
Deliberately ionizing the air with microwaves and radio waves will free electrons, and the free electrons will collect onto a conductor due to the behavior of atoms in conductive material: metalic bonding. I love science 😊
Awesome! Impressive!
Thank you! Cheers!
The most interesting use for this is as onboard generators for microscopic robots.
ASX listed company Strategic Elements have had a working, printable, self-charging battery for more than a year now. It also harvests electrical energy from humidity.
Went all out on the graphics on this one :)
Thank you for sharing this wonderful news. I hope everyone is having a great day. Sheila Mink in New Mexico
You are so welcome
I run a wire from my jumper & a wire from a balloon to my TV and rub them together. Watching TV us a great workout👍
what will keep the nanopores from becoming clogged?
Cool update thank you so much
Thanks Mate!
Tesla did it in his 1897 electric car - run more than 90 mph of free ether electricity from NY to Buffalo, almost 400 miles.
What we need to know is the level of current one square millimeter of the material can generate. because an amp is a huge amount of electrons moving from a higher voltage to a lower voltage. The real power of a generator in watt comes from the multiplication of the voltage with the amperage. High volage of water vapor in the clouds results in a much lower voltage near the ground and the high power of an electric lightning comes from the high voltage multiplied by a relatively low current. I don't expect powerfull generator with that kind of device with the low voltage of the electrons in the water vapor near the ground.
There's got to be an air pump somewhere to maintain the adjacency of the two concentrations of humidity.
What powers the air pump?
Sounds like something Tesla was working on. He put thin wire in trees and a wire in the ground
Love this channel
Thanks Mate!
Very cool 😎
I wonder how effective a large scale adaptation in water baths with the dry side open to the atmosphere for evaporation
NASA - Sea Level: "Achieving an accuracy of 10 percent of the sea height would mean that for a sea height of 1 meter (3.28 feet), the accuracy would be within 10 centimeters (3.9 inches). Such accuracy was likely challenging to achieve with the tide gauges used 50 years ago. It's important to note that advancements in technology and improved measurement techniques have led to more accurate and precise sea level measurements in recent years, combining tide gauge data with satellite altimetry and other methods. These advancements have provided a better understanding of global and regional sea level changes with higher accuracy."
Sea Level is measured by tide height. The Earth and Moon and Sun do not rotate consistently. There is wobble between these bodies that cause different tide heights in 'cycles'. The margin of error of this measurement is greater than the 'rise' we have seen in the past 50 years.
Every difference in the universe holds a potential - which can be converted to an electric current...which is working towards neutralizing the difference...but some differences are so vast we humans will never deplete them.
Why not replace a turbine in a nuclear fission power plant with this it would have a higher efficiency
The main issue is scalability and cost. It may be hugely expensive to scale this to usable power densities.
There’s no doubt that the average global sea level has been increasing ever since the world started to warm after the Little Ice Age ended around 1850. But there’s no reliable scientific evidence that the rate of rise is accelerating, or that the rise is associated with any human contribution to global warming.
A comprehensive 2018 report on sea level and climate change by Judith Curry, a respected climate scientist and global warming skeptic, emphasizes the complexity of both measuring and trying to understand recent sea level rise. Because of the switch in 1993 from tide gauges to satellite altimetry as the principal method of measurement, the precise magnitude of sea level rise as well as projections for the future are uncertain.
According to both Curry and the UN’s IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), the average global rate of sea level rise from 1901 to 2010 was 1.7 mm (about 1/16th of an inch) per year. In the latter part of that period from 1993 onward, the rate of rise was 3.2 mm per year, almost double the average rate - though this estimate is considered too high by some experts. But, while the sudden jump may seem surprising and indicative of acceleration, the fact is that the globally averaged sea level fluctuates considerably over time.
It's wonderful to hear the advances in science, but not necessary to promote an agenda. The share price doesn't need it.
This may sound a bit like Maxwell's Demon, but not really. The energy being harvested comes from the Sun, which both causes the humidity in the air and gives it motion (by warming it). This research is published in a highly respected peer-reviewed journal and is not the result of magical thinking. One half volt, even if only at microamp currents, is enough for many applications (e.g., tiny distributed sensors in fields and forests or perhaps smart bandaids, etc.). The "exciting" thing about so much new R&D is what it might look like 5 or 10 years from now.
Interesting. Maybe very susceptible to dust/mold/debris clogging the system up, but I guess baby steps.
Good video
There’s no evidence of the oceans rising .
Awesome!
I know if I get excited and do some research, I'm going to find that you need a mass the size of the moon to run a toaster or something, so I'm just going to move on.
😂,,, lucky me... I live in Weston Florida... lot's of humidity here
This is huge!
This reminds me of Nikola Tesla, he mentioned something like this...hopefully it’s one of his theories being realised, now that the technology is becoming available 😲
Argh, it's something we should all keep an ion.
This charges everything!
yep... changes everything, and nothing, all at the same time, most likely. - You will be a slave for ever - own nothing, pay for ever... Klaus applauds your bravery... lol...
Every time energy from fresh air has appeared (or its historical analogue), the active ingredients suddenly become extremely expensive... hmm, specialised protein.. hmmmmmmmm. for ever, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
gtfo.. dude... ha ha ha ha... smoke some more weed/
Salt in seawater would be an issue??
The “Viking” insists that affordable flying cars will be available next month. 😳🤪🤣
Now we just have to wait a hundred years for the cost and effeciency of this to come down to where solar panals are today
Not as sexy as a Tokamak, but amazingly simple! Where does the charge come from though? a cloud's particles are constantly jostling about in the sky getting heated by the sun, allowing the charge/imbalance to build up as 'free' energy. How is that bit replicated? Do they use a motor/pump to pass the water through a 'seive'. if so, is the energy expenditure the same as the output?
The ionic charge in water is constantly being generated by molecules colliding and UV exposure. A glass of water has these charged particles, as does the water in your body - it's everywhere. The trick is to separate the positive from the negative to obtain voltage.
I'm not buying it until they explain where the energy comes from (momentum, phase change, temperature change...), otherwise it's like cold fusion.
We are living in interesting times. So many different approaches being developed. Eventually we will get fusion up and running, and I think that will be the real deal. Some companies are claiming some energy production from fusion in the 2030's. Stay tuned!
Nice
How many Watts pr M2?
I am glad you are exploring new renewable energy concepts. Many may not be feasible, but it is good to investigate.
A good filter
Starting your video title with a double clear lie in the 3 first words "Free limitless energy" make you sound like people you do NOT want to be associated with of strongly negative or at best near zero value. CHANGE IT!!! ...if you do not want to come off as extremely un-serious or worse at first glance...
Energy is never limitless since you can only extract and convert some of the energy that is already there and this conversion is never free since the extraction equipment has a cost to be made and maintained/renewed and usually there is running costs, capital costs, etc as well...
hi tech perpetual energy darlinks
Out of the lab and outdoors - would this membrane get clogged up with airbourne particles?
Interesting article. I wonder how large they will need to scale this to produce a useful amount of energy. And consequently, at that scale, will they be able to control it.
Estimated that 1 billion Air-gens, stacked would be roughly the size of a refrigerator and could produce a kilowatt and partly power a home in ideal conditions
Well my bs meter just went through the roof. This feels like nuclear batteries.
I do not think water will work because they will be no airgen effect because there is no gap large enough or wide enough for the potential to breach for the electrical energy
So a material tech that converts humidity from the air to water plus energy.
Input: humid air
Output: water plus electric power
One question
How much have water levels risen ?
Much less than previously predicted but of course i hope this technology is massively successful 👍
Any updates on the Nanoppre convertors?
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One of the first predictions on 1990. As you can see the actual satellite data shows that the actual trend is just below the best fit model. We have better models now, but those predictions are amazing despite the lack of satellite information.
It sounds like there'd be a potential to combine this nanotech with zero-energy desalination ...
Tesla-tech (frequency dependant)
If such a technology were to prove viable, I would foresee 2 big things happening: The first would be a seismic change to society, the second would be many existing industries collapsing, triggering financial upheavals much worse than those of the 2010 banking failures, and covid/Russian invasion combined!
Watch for the energy giants buying up any patents and companies they can, then BURYING THEM in the deepest hole they can dig.
More likely, they will never get appreciable amounts of energy from it, because there isn't that much to get. It will quietly die, and conspiracy theorists will conclude that THE OIL COMPANIES squelched it.
Been thinking of this for many years after being shocked repeatedly from big rolls of bubble wrap.
My first thought is why is this going to be the one? But I have heard something about it before.
If this thing only works in a gaseous environment. It seems to me you could simulate humidity by dipping the device in water, periodically
But I come back to, why this method now?
Is it micro watts per cubic meter?
I would expect so. It seems to me that it's using water ions - H3O+ & OH- to generate a static charge -similar to Kelvin's Thunderstorm.
Its not crazy
Its not ridiculous
Its nature.
Our planet is a giant generator.
We judt havent tapped into it. Tesla knew this many know this.... but we need the technology and golbal peace to achive greatness as a civilization
A fictional book named saucer mentioned a flying saucer partially powered by water to generate energy to fly. Someone may figure it out.
Notice the gear they are wearing in probably highly clean environment. I think it would certainly be a challenge to keep such a device from clogging up from particulates in the air. And if you filtered the air your are likley removing moisture and using energy to do it that youll probably never get back. Nice lab experiment though.
Remember that 90% of the visuals on EVs channel are unrelated to the actual thing being discussed.
YES
This is a next global power ...Treasure come in like the oil
*Nikola Tesla* was doing this 100 years ago and it was alluded to by *Ayn Rand* in her 1950s novel, *"Atlas Shrugged".* It is also called: *"Antiquitech"* and is the primary reason for the CROSS shape ( sorry christians ) which is why tall churches and cathedrals ( _CATH_ ? ) put crosses high up in the air. If Elon wanted to do something extraordinary for the "humanity" he claims to love so much, he'd stop behaving like a _21st century robber baron_ and produce products that harvest their own free energy. But he won't. First and foremost, he is a *robber baron* ( right out of the Rockefeller handbook ) and, he'd be dead before the first products came off the assembly line.
Go take your meds.
Sounds good, but the voltage difference are so small as to be uneconomical . "Water" is not understood. There is a whole field of science explaining the structure between the accepted phase of liquid & solid.
Will these filters be any good at keeping my daughters hair from blocking the shower waste?
there using snow in japan to make electricity
Hmm, given the resolution of today's 3d printers, this concept will likely have me experimenting with some things
This sounds just like a perpetual motion machine
Perpetual motion machines, theoretically, have no energy input. This requires the input of charged water molecules. So it's not perpetual energy.
@@TonyGrant. From AI:
A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work infinitely without an external energy source[1]. It is a machine that moves perpetually and never stops
This is a perpetual motion machine - it has no external energy source and it never stops.
Granted, it does not move but it produces energy forever from nothing.
It's a fraud...
@@noleftturns And this machine is not one. It requires input.
It seems to violate the second law of thermodynamics.
@@pjkkerr Yep
Of course it's real we have an example called lightning.
Don't forget sky static electricity.
Imagine the hats we could make
Ocean levels have been hundreds of feel lower and Higher and plant life and life in general and it's worked out right? I agree we should make efforts to go green with our energy and we are and it's happening with or without Government involvement. It's inevitable now that the ball is rolling thanks to Elon Musk. We will have to invest in tech that can make the planet colder and warmer. The climate changes and has changed hotter and colder without our input while we have been in existence. We will be able to get through it much better now as long as it's not driven by massive asteroid, or comet strikes or other natural massive extinction level catastrophe like a super volcano or nuclear war.
Tesla, SpaceX, Neurolink and Boring Company will get us there.
Except the oceans are not rising by any consequential amount. They have been rising for millennia, very slowly, and are still rising at the same very slow rate. So slow that Barack Obama didn't blink when he bought a mansion on the beach of the Atlantic Ocean.
Tell that to the people of Tuvalu
@@eeclarkutube Tuvalu is sinking. Not from the ocean rising... Check your satellite data..
After processing what state is the air in? Like is this just converting latent thermal energy into electricity? If so, at scale is it just cooling or drying atmosphere? I guess that’s ok until it’s not. Great vid thanks
sounds like it works just like how lightning forms in a cloud, basically just collecting static charge out of the air. i don't think that would make it hotter or colder or anything but don't quote me on that, or any of this, heh