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  • Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025

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  • @tertmemelur1880
    @tertmemelur1880 3 месяца назад +55

    "they can't take my knowledge away from me"
    *rules update*

    • @luca6819
      @luca6819 3 месяца назад +6

      Sixth Edition: "Please, allow me to introduce myself"

    • @andrewp6738
      @andrewp6738 3 месяца назад +3

      Sounds like an opportunity to gain more knowledge!

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +5

      @@tertmemelur1880 I guess I still have my ability to know where to gain more knowledge

  • @aaronnewbury6930
    @aaronnewbury6930 3 месяца назад +4

    Have been sick of hearing people complaining about the bans. Thank you for this refreshing take.

  • @malthungaming3466
    @malthungaming3466 3 месяца назад +4

    I've been playing for about 20 to 25 years, and I've always had to play Budget. It really does force you to think and get creative. So, in all honesty, the people saying that these bans makes their decks nonviable are just admitting they have never pushed themselves to think outside of "This card is super expensive, so it must be super powerful."

  • @Zip_yermouth
    @Zip_yermouth 3 месяца назад +36

    Agree! A $50 budget deck pushes you to think, consider, and work harder to plan your lines. Removing Crypt from my mono black and replacing it with another ramp makes me consider all the cards

  • @mibbzx1493
    @mibbzx1493 3 месяца назад +1

    Facts i agree. When i’ve seen ppl play those card they were intentionally trying to sabotage people just playing for fun. Theres a time and place for those type of cards and everybody doesn’t always want to see them if we’re trying to experiment with new cards/deck brews. People just need relax and dial it back and just get back to the essence of its core element which is to have a good time and fun.

  • @AidanWR
    @AidanWR 3 месяца назад +2

    I agree with having fun with decks that are low power/low budget. Those are most of my decks, as I like making decks that people haven't thought about or just follow a nice theme. That's why I have a plant tribal deck and a cycling deck with Yidaro as the commander

  • @ragewinninethousand4140
    @ragewinninethousand4140 3 месяца назад +2

    I adore you and your content.

  • @Dskinny23
    @Dskinny23 3 месяца назад +3

    Agreed, great video.
    Thanks for putting out positivity we need more right now.

  • @Snipfragueur
    @Snipfragueur 3 месяца назад +13

    Why would a casual player care ?
    You are a casual, play what you want.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +3

      True

    • @laytonjr6601
      @laytonjr6601 3 месяца назад +3

      But a casual player shouldn't play mana crypt, jewelled lotus and dockside anyway because they're too strong

    • @VvVLuffyM2
      @VvVLuffyM2 3 месяца назад +1

      @@laytonjr6601 wrong

  • @simonteesdale9752
    @simonteesdale9752 3 месяца назад +2

    I also got hit by the bans (lost dockside & crypt), and I'm honestly happy about that.
    Fewer runaway starts means more back and forth magic.

  • @roiltidor
    @roiltidor 3 месяца назад +3

    Amen 🙏🏿

  • @isocity-info
    @isocity-info 3 месяца назад +1

    The real issue is that sol ring didn't get the same banning. Crypt (+vamp tutuor, etc)and Ring as a pair made a deck more predictable and not the "random" Ring start. It is not a skill issue, when a random factor has been forced to your deck.

  • @thejuggernautofspades9453
    @thejuggernautofspades9453 3 месяца назад

    The best way to get better is praying to the RNG gods

  • @xXtheONEandONLYXx
    @xXtheONEandONLYXx 3 месяца назад +2

    Thank you for the POSITIVE, healthy suggestion! Unlike so many others recently.

  • @metalmonkee1072
    @metalmonkee1072 3 месяца назад +1

    I agree that being creative beats having powerful cards, I've only been playing for 2 years & I smoke the friends that taught me to play 😂

  • @jonathancrosby1583
    @jonathancrosby1583 3 месяца назад +1

    As a casual who doesn't have the money for the power cards(beyond draft pulls and trade chains) this is true but sometimes it's nice to walk into a modern game with a deck build up over years and just absolutely dominating

  • @Breachidon
    @Breachidon 3 месяца назад +2

    You can keep your knowledge and experience, but we lost our winged wisdom of the game. Rip bird man

  • @DrakeGrell
    @DrakeGrell 3 месяца назад +1

    Edhrec and cedh keep me involved in learning play patterns and just combos to watch for!

    • @liberty2087
      @liberty2087 3 месяца назад +1

      Are you getting your cedh lists from edhrec?

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +1

      It's probably more to keep up with what's popular in casual

    • @DrakeGrell
      @DrakeGrell 3 месяца назад

      @@keepingitcasualmtg why you delete my comment?

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад

      Did I? I don't recall doing that. If I did it was probably a mistake. Sorry about that

  • @zettovyker
    @zettovyker 3 месяца назад +18

    Knowledge is power. Money is power. Meaning Knowledge = Money and Wizards only wants one without the other 😢

  • @WorldofSoupS
    @WorldofSoupS 3 месяца назад +3

    My friend fianlly landed on his favorite cedh deck with etali but now we have to find a new one for him...

    • @embergeos
      @embergeos 3 месяца назад +1

      Etali is less explosive, but it’s still playable. It’s VERY happy that moon is playable now (even if sad about the dockside ban that allows it). There’s still some dedicated pilots retooling it for the new meta, so don’t have them quit out just yet!

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад

      Unfortunate

    • @VvVLuffyM2
      @VvVLuffyM2 3 месяца назад

      @@embergeos thats a good joke

  • @brennanruiz1803
    @brennanruiz1803 3 месяца назад +13

    Nadu absolutely should've been banned, regardless of anything else on the list.

  • @ZorroDitXav
    @ZorroDitXav 3 месяца назад +2

    I like suggesting players be like Anakin.
    Anakin had no budget.
    Anakin had junkyard parts.
    Anakin built the fastest podracer ever.
    Faster than Sebulba's.
    He also piloted it much better.
    Anakin was the superior builder and pilot.
    Winning at Magic does not require $100+ cards. It requires deckbuilding and deckpiloting skills. Those take time to acquire though, so keep on shuffling!

    • @benrutgers6329
      @benrutgers6329 3 месяца назад +1

      I sold all my cards over $5 about 2 years ago. My decks might have gotten better because I rely more on synergy now.

  • @victorholguin5768
    @victorholguin5768 3 месяца назад +1

    Agreed from a casual stance but from a competitive stance there is no replacement for those cards, the mana curve changes and so does power. Some cedh decks aren’t viable anymore cuz of 3 cards. Those cards gave life to some niche decks in the format.

  • @Wuuush
    @Wuuush 3 месяца назад +2

    The bans are warranted on every front. Makes those cards accessible to casual players and aren't hoarding cards as an "investment". Its not the majoritybof the commander communities fault you blew someones rent payment on cardboard

  • @master-zaynelotus5048
    @master-zaynelotus5048 3 месяца назад +2

    Good way to put it, as a green player not really effected. Knowledge is power indeed

  • @11epicnoob
    @11epicnoob 3 месяца назад

    My only losses was a Nadu i was never confident to build and a Dockside Extortionist which i only have a singular copy i got from the Sevinne Precon

  • @safertobeanonymous2224
    @safertobeanonymous2224 3 месяца назад +1

    It always annoys me when players forget to play lands first!!
    And legit I have forcespiked that! And I did force spike a harrow which was fun 🤣

  • @QuietEco
    @QuietEco 3 месяца назад +1

    Agreed.
    I love my Mono White Abdel deck with no rares in it.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +1

      Love when my opponents board state is worth more than my deck and I end up winning

  • @snackzilla1652
    @snackzilla1652 3 месяца назад

    Great points! No amount of power cards can overcome misplays and mental errors. Believe me, I know 😅
    You mentioned there are lots of resources for leveling up at EDH. Any particular ones that you find especially valuable? (Other than your channel, ofc)

  • @chriselliott5539
    @chriselliott5539 3 месяца назад +2

    I think the argument about making the commander obsolete/not viable is more on the cEDH side and it would constrict the cedh meta to be the same few boring decks.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +1

      I'm not sure what you mean by making commander obsolete

    • @chriselliott5539
      @chriselliott5539 3 месяца назад +2

      @@keepingitcasualmtg some commanders like Niv-mizzet in cedh can no longer compete since they could easily tutor out the lotus to get Niv out and their combo rolling. It has now become obsolete in the cedh scene since it takes too many extra resources to efficiently get him out. Below cedh everything has viability so they're never obsolete there but in the competitive scene it has killed a lot of decks; it maybe an overreaction at the moment and new fringe/meta decks will evolve but many high cmc commanders have been gutted from the cedh scene because it'll take too many extra resources now to get them rolling.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +1

      Oh I gotcha yeah I think a few casual believe they needed those cards for their higher costed commander to be viable as well

  • @ShinYaYeFoWa
    @ShinYaYeFoWa 3 месяца назад +1

    Nothing beats top decking a win

  • @gaabetzagooga5954
    @gaabetzagooga5954 3 месяца назад +1

    it definitely took the power out of a lot of cedh decks and made some unviable in the meta

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад

      cEDH is a little different of a discussion. I'm not huge on the scene but it seems like it'd be a big meta shift

  • @TheOuroborosLoop
    @TheOuroborosLoop 3 месяца назад

    The cards don't make the player good, the player knows how to handle the game.

  • @hanskindberg7964
    @hanskindberg7964 3 месяца назад +1

    Took out Craterhoof from 2 og my green decks for the same reason. It just didnt feel good to win with it anymore

  • @embergeos
    @embergeos 3 месяца назад +1

    I understand why you say that you aren’t advocating for those bans, but I personally absolutely support them. I truly have yet to see an argument for keeping crypt and lotus in the format that doesn’t boil down to “I am angry that I lost money”, and honestly I just don’t buy the idea that monetary value should come into play at all when considering bans for the health of the format. I think that the RC made the right decision and the finance freaks ruined the community-led nature of the format because of it.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад

      I'm okay with whether they were still legal or whether they're banned cause it doesn't really change how I approach the game. I just don't think I'm in a position to state whether it was the right or wrong thing. In my opinion I think it's good, but it's also not my area of expertise

  • @liberty2087
    @liberty2087 3 месяца назад +2

    To be fair, expensive cards are expensive because their power is typically game-winning. The difference between a deck with Rhystic Study, Demonic Tutor, and an infinite combo versus one without is huge. However, commander is never supposed to be that deep unless it’s CEDH, so you will feel much better about your decks when you play without trying to win using those cards.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад

      They for sure help and increase win percentage, but if a person is trying to maximize win percentage in a casual game then why not play cEDH? Nothing wrong with that

  • @zacharycruz1511
    @zacharycruz1511 3 месяца назад +1

    Cool congrats thats great for you. Unfortunately the powerful cards that were hit lowered the learning curve for a lot of players and made it easier to understand the benefits and downsides. I could run sol talisman instead of mana crypt and say "wElL mY eXpErIeNcE," but not everyone wants to. Some people like playing big powerful cards, and some people like playing sub optimal.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +2

      I never said it's wrong to play powerful cards, but a lot of folks like to use it as a crutch. This is just a different perspective if folks want to take that approach or not

    • @daltronius
      @daltronius 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@keepingitcasualmtgi cant tell you how many times i made a fun deck with weird choices only for that guy to go "i dont see a mana crypt, so your deck sucks" people treated crypt like it was the only card able to be played in alot of circles.

  • @rons.6429
    @rons.6429 3 месяца назад +1

    Jokes on everyone else. I'm a filthy casual who has no value in my EDH decks. So I'm unaffected by the Bans.

  • @ELFudgeOreos
    @ELFudgeOreos 3 месяца назад +1

    If you have the time to devote to being good with cheap cards, cool. If you have the money to play powerful cards, cool. I just like playing the game.

  • @theblaqknight
    @theblaqknight 3 месяца назад +3

    That's part of the exact reason I am frustrated with the Crypt ban. I like to be creative and cards like Crypt allow me to bring five color planeswalkers to a cEDH table and win.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +1

      @@theblaqknight to me creativity is working with what’s available to you and piecing things together to make it work. If one card enabled something to work it didn’t really involve creativity it just enabled a strategy. Which there’s nothing wrong with that, but I do think there’s a difference there. Creativity could enable viability, but viability doesn’t always mean creativity.
      Also wanna say taking away the viability is understandably frustrating

  • @tegel619
    @tegel619 3 месяца назад +2

    I'm upset for completely different reasons. Reasons that you didn't state.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад

      There are many reasons to be upset and I'm not one to tell people that they shouldn't be

    • @tegel619
      @tegel619 3 месяца назад

      I am a limited player. And I'm upset because they're still play boosters instead of draft boosters 😢.

  • @WashedOutBanshee69
    @WashedOutBanshee69 3 месяца назад +1

    My personal opinion on big financially expensive staples like the cards that got banned is this: why would I spend $180 on a single copy of Mana Crypt when I could build two whole decks that play just fine power level wise for the same price. It's like thinking more expensive cleats make the football player.

  • @OdinMagnus
    @OdinMagnus 3 месяца назад +1

    I don't play with high power decks because I want to enjoy the game instead of playing a Shuffle simulator to see who wins on turn 1.
    I never bothered trying to get either of those mana rocks. Nadu, I think I pulled abs pull it in my bulk pile.
    Mike Tyson can destroy kindergarten children, even 5 v 1 lol, but what's the fun in that?
    At my LGS they had a rule, if you join a cEDH pod without a cEDH deck you get to start with Command Tower and Sol Ring. But even then it's not even close.

    • @daltronius
      @daltronius 3 месяца назад +1

      This is why i left ygo, the game devolved into "who wins t1, i wanna play as little game as possible"

  • @sonnymoreno5083
    @sonnymoreno5083 3 месяца назад

    Well fudging said

  • @davidalex565
    @davidalex565 3 месяца назад +1

    When I play edh, I'm not playing to win. I am playing to hang out with friends and have some fun games. I end up mostly playing precons and trying to use my 20 years of experience to try to make fun and interesting decisions in my games. Power doesn't add anything in my opinion.

  • @hitmonkey2984
    @hitmonkey2984 3 месяца назад

    I disagree with the Lotus ban
    Its now literally a piece of trash that's unusable for anything

  • @Badmanpuntbaxter
    @Badmanpuntbaxter 3 месяца назад +1

    Bans are rarely bad for a game's health. Especially in a game that has over 20,000 options. If your usage of a deck hinged on literally 1-2 cards, you never liked the deck, imo. I'll play my goofy ass commanders till I die, speed be damned

  • @noxvenari5002
    @noxvenari5002 3 месяца назад +1

    Man, I can't put it any better.
    A
    Have always been a homebrew.guy. I have taken inspiration, but 💯 for homegrown and creative!

  • @jaredstearman3625
    @jaredstearman3625 3 месяца назад +1

    I had a buddy who built a $1000 deck never won a game cause his game knowledge sucked

  • @ronin5802
    @ronin5802 3 месяца назад +3

    I get this point. Though a large portion actually complaining about the power level of their decks are the cEDH players. I speak from experience, 50+ decks just do not exist anymore. Not to say that they were all that good, but many fringe decks relied on Jeweled Lotus and Dockside to get their commander out and loop. It’s difficult to fault people for complaining abt their deck being less powerful when the environment they play it in is the ceiling of the format, where you need to play these cards to compete.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +1

      Oh I know full well of cEDH decks not being viable, both my cEDH decks got hit with this ban. The cards I'm holding were all from my cEDH decks! I'm not an avid cEDH player, but I would think that if you're playing cEDH you're trying to build the best deck with what is available to the format. Sure it made a lot of decks not viable anymore, but wouldn't that excite a cEDH player to adapt to a new meta?

    • @bohab787
      @bohab787 3 месяца назад

      Sad k'rrik noises

  • @angryhobbitt
    @angryhobbitt 3 месяца назад +5

    no dude bans were completely justified

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +2

      Not in the way it was handled

    • @angryhobbitt
      @angryhobbitt 3 месяца назад

      I agree after the reprints and years of silence it could have been handled differently for sure

    • @hitmonkey2984
      @hitmonkey2984 3 месяца назад

      Half the banlist is trash. #justiceforrofellos

    • @Sweetluckk
      @Sweetluckk 3 месяца назад

      Not only do I think the bans were justified for the betterment of the format but I feel MORE should have been banned . Nevertheless losing the RC for commander was detrimental for the success of the format . Get ready for wotc to milk commander hard , it’s their most popular format now after all

  • @jimesmerritinez7254
    @jimesmerritinez7254 3 месяца назад

    Banning good cards doesn’t make bad players better..

  • @xavimontero2615
    @xavimontero2615 3 месяца назад +1

    How did we ever play edh before dockside and jeweled? Mana Crypt wasn’t that good anyways. Cant tell you how many people I played that lost to that 3 life clause. I sold those the moment I got them from a pack. That way, I could buy more packs.

    • @daltronius
      @daltronius 3 месяца назад +1

      That potential loss of life is "balanced" by being able to drop a rhystic study turn 1. Not that life loss means much unless your opponents playing aggro.

    • @xavimontero2615
      @xavimontero2615 3 месяца назад +1

      @@daltronius yeah. But not everyone plays blue. Lol

    • @daltronius
      @daltronius 3 месяца назад

      @@xavimontero2615 yea so replace rhystic with any colored 3 drop, or even 4 if u get slightly luckier

  • @halvsketchy9293
    @halvsketchy9293 3 месяца назад +1

    Im mostly sad that jeweled lotus got banned. I play a high cmc commander in a mono blue deck and removing both crypt and lotus makes it significantly harder to cast. The jeweled lotus ban was so unneccesary too. You can omly cast your commander with it and if you get it out too early it will be removed right away 90% of the time

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад

      I do think adapting is one of the funner aspect of the game, being able to pull off something in a creative manner is more reward in my opinon, but it does suck putting in all that work and feeling like it got stripped away and sometimes it's just not viable too

  • @seifeldeensameh6661
    @seifeldeensameh6661 3 месяца назад +2

    True , Players make cards good not the other way around

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +1

      Powerful cards can help, but a players skill can take one farther

    • @seifeldeensameh6661
      @seifeldeensameh6661 3 месяца назад

      @@keepingitcasualmtg with all do respect I tend to disagree because you can the strongest cards in the game to a braindead person only to lose in 60 seconds or less while you can give a bile of bulk to another player only to be unstoppable force I will only tell you to look at how Brian kibler turned monster from the worst card type to the most used one

  • @DamnCowboys-to2it
    @DamnCowboys-to2it 3 месяца назад +1

    I didnt even own those cards lol

  • @lordpepper6932
    @lordpepper6932 3 месяца назад +1

    I only see rage over peoples cards losing value i dont get that, there have gotta be better things to collect to make money than Magic cards, cause lord knowsythey dont actually play with the cards they just keep em in a special box to stare at

  • @GabrielTrinka
    @GabrielTrinka 3 месяца назад +1

    So money doesn't matter? 😂

  • @jarredjenkins8054
    @jarredjenkins8054 3 месяца назад +1

    I just find that if EDH has Rule zero (assuming it works) then their is no need to ban cards, the only thing that happened was CEDH got staples removed lol

    • @ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle
      @ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle 3 месяца назад +2

      The bans are targeting "that guy" who doesn't play with rule zero and just pubstomps at their LGS

  • @vidgapbaker7588
    @vidgapbaker7588 3 месяца назад +1

    Rule 0

  • @ricardomora4531
    @ricardomora4531 3 месяца назад +1

    Totally agree, improve in deck building skills instead of crying for the bans.

  • @kyleashby882
    @kyleashby882 3 месяца назад +1

    Dude they just want to encourage janky combos that's it or that's just my opinion

  • @PressXtoDoubt
    @PressXtoDoubt 3 месяца назад +1

    Mana Crypt is an objectively horrible card in terms of Game Design and it (along with all mana positive mana rocks) are toxic for the format as it removes slots from your deck to just be generic auto includes good stuff and does not make you a good player.
    Change my mind.

  • @shidiwen1407
    @shidiwen1407 3 месяца назад

    TLDR stop crying over cardboard.

  • @ragewinninethousand4140
    @ragewinninethousand4140 3 месяца назад +1

    UNBAN GOLOS

  • @franciscote6631
    @franciscote6631 3 месяца назад +1

    Good points.
    However, next time you buy something for 300 bucks and then it becomes worthless, take your own advice.
    Poor fans bought boxes of ixalan to get cards they love and cherish, now can’t be used.
    Whether it’s about the financial loss or being sold a lemon you can’t use is bs.
    Period .

  • @Exile559
    @Exile559 3 месяца назад +2

    Watching people cry because they lost their mana crutch is hilarious.

  • @SpitefulAZ
    @SpitefulAZ 3 месяца назад +1

    he was bribed by wizards to make this video.

  • @GabrielTrinka
    @GabrielTrinka 3 месяца назад +1

    Wish you tubers would stop playing both sides. 😂😂😂

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад +2

      I appreciate you seeing me as some figure on the internet and maybe I've built up some following, but end of the day when I go to a card shop I'm just a regular dude who has his opinion on this game. I understand it sucks that people got their value ripped away from them and maybe certain decks left unviable, but this is the perspective I take with the game and it's helped me feel better about playing it

    • @GabrielTrinka
      @GabrielTrinka 3 месяца назад +1

      @keepingitcasualmtg Not hampering on you dude, it just feels like no youtube is being honest right now and i dont feel like you are either. These recent events were so unnecessary and the excuses given were weak and pointless. Cards should be banned based on how destructive they are not because of the acceleration they bring. It's almost like the rc doesn't know what removal, counterspells and player removal is and now we have the whole transfer of power to woc. I know my voice doesn't mean sht but people need to start seeing with the eyes they were given.

    • @keepingitcasualmtg
      @keepingitcasualmtg  3 месяца назад

      @@GabrielTrinka I think just because our opinions differ along with other people doesn’t mean that we aren’t being real. For me I don’t care either way with the cards being banned or legal it doesn’t change how I approach the game. As far as me deciding whether it was good or bad I think it’s good for leveling out overall games in the long term. But i recognize it’s not really my place to decide whether something is worthy of being banned or unbanned that’s not my exact area of expertise.

    • @GabrielTrinka
      @GabrielTrinka 3 месяца назад

      @keepingitcasualmtg compared to alot of the things being printed i don't see any sort of leveling out.