Yeah, that's the point. I've been selling my first bike (Honda Steed) for a year and sold it only when dropped price to ~70% of original. And for all that time I've seen another Steed in the list - a bit older then mine and almost twice the price. Dude haven't drop a cent. I think that bike is still on the list
I see way too many newer $40k+ Harleys listed where some blue collar guy financed a bike he couldn’t afford to begin with. Then someone happens (lose job, hours reduced, has a child etc) and now they’re upside down and trying to sell a 2 year old $40k+ bike for $45k to cover their loan. Makes me sad every time. I’m a lawyer, and I know I can’t afford to finance a toy like that so I DONT FINANCE TOYS lol. I have one lightly used bike and paid cash. Hopefully this will happen less since interest rates are up, but I doubt it. They do look pretty on the showroom floor.
I don't use facebook since 2017, I quit after the election and all the rubbish. Did not miss it one bit. Set up a new account a couple years ago to use Marketplace. I have 0 friends, but I find some great deals. @@DroneStrike1776
Sportbike guys especially go for ~2007. All the big 4 were making great bikes, for example, the difference between a 2007 cbr600rr and a 2023 is electronics, paint, and price. The 06 R6 already had RBW, and the 07 gsxr600 is legendary. Cheap compared to new, but the performance is modern
do the 07 models have ABS? ABS on the frontwheel never interfered with my driving, the rearwheel lifts off before that, but i had it save my ass a few times on the rear wheel, it's a nice livesaver i wouldn't want to save a bit of money over
I have a 2007 ninja 650R and just hit 60,000 miles. Anything over 15,000 miles on a bike is considered high mileage. I would have to agree with your analysis of bikes from 2007.
Sportbike wannabe, and by wannabe I mean all were CBs. 2 x 750 (K and F), 1 x 900 (F) and 1 x CBX 125. But, also a cruiser wannabe (2 x CM 250, 1 x Rebel 250 ((ugh!), 1 x Kymco 150 ((present for FiL)), 1 x CB125 ((also for FiL)) 1x GL400 and 1x GL500 and 1 x EL250), off-road wannabe (1 x SX200, 1 x DR250, 1 x XLR 250). And the most modern was 1991. Carbs can be a hassle, but you sure learn all about your bike. And the CCB750 will do everything you want it to. Just avoid the F.
@AST4EVER in my country Suzukis are underrated asf, people wanted the newest and the latest just to feed their ego "haha mine is more expensive than yours thus it's better" it's crazy. glad that my Suzuki GSX-R150 never got updated because after all these years it's still one of the best bike ever statistically, my '17 is still strong even tho it has 80k kilometers on it.
Your quips are great. The farm equipment quip was slid in as if were an everyday statement, that’s why I never miss your videos. They’re informative, very humorous, and down right satirical without being mean. It takes talent to do all of this and not end up being hated by at least one entire segment, but you have pulled it off. Thank you for all the entertainment while educating us at the same time.
what do you mean "at least one entire segment"...there are only TWO segments...the HD World, and the motorcycle world. Those that buy their machines at a clothing boutique will never be in the motorcycle world. That is all.
@5:28 is the Harley D farm equipment quote. It's true tho....tractors often have a 40 year life and right up until the end of their life maintain a good value, though we recently almost bought an ancient one from the 1970s for a few thousand.
Listing bikes for $1 drives me insane. Im about to start applying for all of them and making them do all the paperwork only to say "actually I changed my mind"
I just click buy now and if they ask for more than $1 I splurt bs legal stuff at them till they likely stop replying. Cost me 5 minutes of my time but hopefully stops them doing it
@@dannywhite132 there's probably a guy that doesn't want to do it but some other guy makes the rules because he knows 'how to sell bikes', etc.. anyways, they insert at the end of the listing a bunch of unrelated makes and models too. annoying af, i sometimes report dealers that abuse the system like that..
The used market is insane right now. I work in sales at a motorsports dealership. I have so many customers who come in to buy new because the used-by-owner prices are so high right now that it just makes better sense to buy new.
I've bought 3 brand new bikes. At 5 years old the price is still almost the same as new. After 10 years old the price Is looking acceptable for used but now the bike is 10 years old. I would expect a 2-3 year old bike to cost what a 10 year old bike costs
It's likely that this price bubble will pop soon. It seems a lot of people bought bikes over the last three years, and are discovering that they never ride them. At some point those impulse purchases will end up on the used market in droves. I'm betting it happens in early 2024.
It's that way around me anything newer than like 10+ years old you might as well go new as the best you can hope for no matter the reading on the odometer is any where from 500-1K off the new price for a similar model.
Couldnt agree more. In europe, there are pages upon pages of current model year bikes going on sale with a couple of thousand kilometres on the odometre for about 300€ less than New. Cant wait for prices to go down a bit because this is getting outrageous.
It was stated below there are only 2 segments, I disagree. Looking at it in a biker only world, maybe there'd be something to this thought, but as I know several people that don't, and have never ridden, this opens Ryan to many more segments of people. To make so many people laugh, stay informative, educate the masses all while entertaining most of all whom watch, takes a lot of talent and a good team of people to make you look good on top of being able to express things without sounding derogatory, belittling, or downright angered. Ryan and is team have done a great job and provided something many people want/like. To Ryan, thank you for the dedication and sereness of humor that keeps us all coming back. My one and only fuss, I'd like videos more often, but I'm a bit selfish that way.
@@yosefm170 But fraught with legal peril...you can get sued by people and blocked by your ISP for web scraping if you don't use an anonymous proxy server, sadly.
@@no_nuts It likely depends on how much sweat equity and risk you can take on. A bike that doesn't start at all is a lot of both, but if you can get it running for a reasonable price, you're looking at a decent profit. Especially if the seller just wants it gone.
First bike was a 74 cb360 that started but clutch didn't engage. Fixed that with a ball bearing i had lying around(dont ask how). Bought for 400, sold for 1000
Here is the truth: It doesn't make sense to collect bikes to make a profit. The collectors market for bikes isn't there. What makes sense is to buy a used bike and to ride it as long as you can.
Yes, it only makes sense to flip bikes if you're a dealership and only for bikes that can be sold in a reasonable time frame. For the rest of us, it's nice to know about that curve, but probably not that useful unless you're already thinking about buying or selling.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Here in Austria a lot of people think that motorcycles gain some value and are collectors items. They often say "wow I made 300€ profit on that", but they forget how long they had to keep it and maintain int. A Porsche 911, Lamborghini Miura or a Koenigsegg is a collectors item that makes profit, a motorcycle will never achieve that (or just in very very very rare cases). Investing in motorcycles is nonsense :D
Choosing not to ride your motorcycle because it "hurts the resale value" is like choosing not to have sex with your wife so that she'll have lower expectations for the next guy she sleeps with.
hello, the time has come when I don't have a motorcycle and I don't even have a home now, and in a month I'm leaving for Canada from Ukraine, I hope that next season I can afford to buy a bike and travel around this huge country, who knows, maybe I'll meet you on the road! one of the best channels about motorcycles, subscribed for a very long time, thank you for your work, take care friends!
Being a big youtube content consumer i follow and watch a lot of channels ranging from tech to news to automoto to simple fun and entertainment, i really think that objectively F9 is the best . Not sure if it is my favorite ( top 5 for sure ) but the best. Amazing videography and writing , unbelievably good content meaning extremely relevant to the channels focus, educational , recreational, entertaining , fun , informative , original etc and whats even more worth applauding is that most the time the videos are all the above at once not one funny video one informative etc. I sincerely admire you guys for doing all that and enjoying it at the same time the passion is obvious in the results!!! ( or faking it but being really good at it XD )
A strange and almost unknown outlier from most of those curves here in Germany is the single cylinder Yamaha XT660Z Tenere (2008-2016). Only a few were sold, but those few still cost about 4,5k to 6k used - while they did cost 7000 new. That mimicks the HD curve. Well, farm equipment, I guess. 🙂
Hey, don't be rude! I've bought used XT660Z for 5200€ in 2017 and sold it for 4800€ in 2022 after I did 20.000km. I've lost 400€ in 5 years that's a disaster! :D But to be fair it's really good bike and worth the price. I'm sure you know youtuber Motorcycle Adventures and his 193.000km XT660Z.
Aktuallaly, most of this is because fuel injection started being incorporated into motorcycles around 2000, so they weren't discarded as readily as fussy carburetor bikes that most people gave up on if they stopped working or had issues. Anyone that's seen what it takes to clean and sync quad carbs knows what I'm talking about. Additionally, 2000-ish to 2008 was a wild party of free credit to anyone that asked, so tons of sport bikes were bought with minimal money down and eventually sold or foreclosed on, so there's PILES of those bikes around. Furthermore, the sheer number of 00-08 bikes suppressed future sport bike sales because why would you buy a $10k+ new bike when you could buy a low mileage used one for $5k that offers pretty much the same performance? Really, the only reason to buy a newer bike is if you really want rider modes and things like that. All in all, I don't think this data tells the whole story, and honestly bikes are so cheap just buy what you like when you know you are getting a good deal on a good bike and you probably won't lose much.
@nunyabusiness896 "fussy carburetor bikes"? I don't know which you have ridden, but carbs are a lot easier than FI to work with from the early '80's onwards. I bought a set of vac gauges in the mid 2000s to use when servicing my bikes [now only oe twin with carbs, the rest are FI] and it was a waste of money as I didn't have to adjust anything, even on medium-high {50 -100 000] mile bikes. FI is fine until one of the many sensors fails. Not very likely but it may disable your bike as the ECU can't work, the best you can hope for is a limp home mode. Then you have to hope the sensor is still available! FI throttle bodies still need balancing.
@@TheRantyRider That must be why every carbed bike for sale "needs a tune up" or doesn't run while every FI bike "runs great" despite spending half of its life doing burnouts. I was also born yesterday and haven't witnessed how shtty carbs are first hand, especially with ethanol fuel 🙄. When I had a race kart, half of everyone's day was spent unfcking the carb even with non-ethanol fuel, meanwhile I've never had to touch a FI system in my life on anything.
@@nunyabusiness896 Thanks for the reply. I imagine that race tuned kit is a bit more twitchy than road tuned, but I would have thought that my high milage carbed bikes would have shown problems if there were any. I once had the legendary 'bad fill' that caused a twin carb/twin cylinder bike a stutter when pulling out and there was a trace of water in the fuel. Were the karts two stoke or four stroke? Could it have been a case of too much oil in the pre-mix rather than fuelling? In the UK we don't see many 'needs a tune up' adverts, un-used bikes may 'benefit from light recommissioning' but that is because the battery, brakes, chain, oil, filters and bulbs need replacing. Carbs in the UK pretty much died 20 years ago which around here accounts for non-runners as well.
One of the bike price mysteries I've noticed is that of the Kawasaki Concours ZG1000 vs the Yamaha TW200. Both bikes were (and continue to be in the case of the TW200) made for decades virtually unchanged starting in the 1980s. Today, I can pick up the Concours for under two grand while the Yamaha--which is soooooo much LESS bike--continues to fetch well over $3,000, even those dating back to the 1980s. I just don't get it. I own a 2003 Concours, which I bought last year in pristine condition with 5K miles in non-running condition due to carb issues--an easy fix--which I picked up for $900 but I wouldn't mind owning a TW200 but just can't get around the price.
Bought a basically brand new tw125 a week ago for 950, we dont have the tw200 in my country. I got a really great deal though, in brand new condition they sell for 2K - 2.5K. The main difference is that the tw is a fairly special bike that most people buy because they love it. Looking at the concours it just looks like most touring bikes
Probably has a lot to do with who buys and uses those sorts of bikes, both new and used. The Concours, a sport tourer, is probably bought by a lot of middle age people and retirees, perhaps a mid-life crisis machine, or a toy they think they'll use, but in the end they don't ride it a ton, so demand falls off quickly, and they decide to sell the dusty old bike taking up space in the garage, meaning plenty on the market. As these folks have plenty of money, they aren't too concerned about getting the most money they can, just want it gone with minimal fuss. TW200s are bought by the legitimately adventurous, those who actually ride a lot, beat the hell out of them, and - as they actually use them - don't want to let them go.
Don't forget the 'fashion' element, I believe a lot of touring bike owners moved over to ADV style bikes starting around '04 onwards. My surprise was looking at the prices of used Honda Groms - good grief !
As a resident of Sask I’ll report back on how the Big beaver-Regina “loop” goes. Big muddy is also on your innuendo route as well…. Better make sure to clean up after riding hard in that particular spot.
"The Vancouver Island Tax" is an actual thing. People think all their stuff s just worth more here, and they won't budge on prices because they see everyone else asking too much for the same junk.
@@blandrooker6541 The real estate market is cause by land being used as a tax shelter. Land taxes should drop prices. But with how long the bubble has been going: some people will be underwater on their mortgages.
N-Hell on the east coast of canada is the same thing.... but the used market is getting flooded now for recreational vehicles, so the only ones selling are the sellers ready to deal. A welfare state, the cerb had majority living like kings, getting a $2000 a month check where they never ever received a check in their life. Welfare with 3 adult kids all living in government housing collecting $10,000 extra in CERB. No wonder you couldn't get a couch, game console or ATV for 3 years. Now its turning around...... except nobodies paying the CERB back.
@@dcsales2007 That is a lie: CERB was tied to employment. If you were on welfare you did not qualify for CERB. Though being part-time, and the program assuming full-time employment my monthly checks were larger than I ever got in my working life so far. Was cut off when I told Service Canada that I was not looking for full-time employment.
I only buy low mile, used motorcycles. You can save many thousands. For example, a new R1250GSA is $25k. A sub 15k mile R1200GSA can be had for $13-15k. Used bikes also often have lots of upgrades worth thousands.
This is EXACTLY the topic my friends and I were just discussing! We're hearing disturbing rumors of manufacturers dropping parts and service support for bikes that are 10+ years old. I'd REALLY like to see a video on the subject of which bikes to buy as "forever bike". Modern bikes seem especially problematic because of the digital electronics. CAN Bus may keep you from replacing that busted ignition switch with a toggle switch (yes, I had a bike like that). You can still get parts for a Harley Flathead and for a Triumph Engineering twin but what other bikes have that sort of support? Sportster? KLR 650? DR650S? TW200? XR650L? Bullet? What can I buy today (new or used) that I know I will likely be able to still be riding without any issues whatsoever 12+ years from now?
@peterholthoffman - One thing to think about is how many were sold. This can mean that there are a lot of spares in breakers that are no longer available from the manufacturers. I'm not thinking about a C90 of which Honda sold gadzillions but buying a Rune and expecting to be able to get an exhaust is like me expecting a date with Karen Gillan. Not only will more breaker spares be available for a popular bike but aftermarket companies will also have made pattern or replacment parts. As for longevity 2009/2010 seems to be the cut off year. Before that all was roses and money was spent on the quality of the bikes. After the financial crash manufacturers built to a budget and not a standard so quality hit the buffers. I have a 100 000 + mile Honda Hornet 900 from 2006 that is still on the original parts and looks good and I also put a CB500 'round the clock. Parts for the 500 are more readily available as a lot more were sold. If you can find a sub 30 000 mile Hornet 900 in original trim then that would be a good buy. A couple of grand should see you get one and in my experience high milages don't bother it.
Well for old bikes you have the second hand market. Lots of old bikes get sold in parts to keep the others alive a bit longer. So the popularity of the model is much more important then the support given to the model.
@@JTandallthosedarnplaylistsCraigslist worked about as good as FB marketplace for me. Shop for the rider, you want the guy who decided he doesn't look to ride far too late and is just looking to recoup some losses. They're out there in droves.
Always interesting and well researched insight from Ryan and the crew....this episode is no exception. That said--motorcycling (buying, selling, riding et al) does not fall into a scientific analysis for everyone. For many, it's more emotional than rational. Appreciate the charts/graphs and formulas however---in the end most of us buy and ride what we like and what makes us feel good.
My First and only New Car I ever bought, A 1979 Z--28 Camaro was $7,192.00 First new Street bike I ever bought was a 2016 Yamaha FZ-07 for $7,400.00 I still have the Camaro.. My fourth new Dirt Bike I ever bought is a 1978 Yamaha YZ-100-E Seems I paid $411.00 for it plus I traded in a 1976 Yamaha 125 MX-C with a leaking steel gas tank. Silicone glue could not fix. I have since learned how to weld and braze or use JB Weld to fix a leaking gas tank. I built an 89 Gallon Fuel tank for a Truck it has some pin hole leaks in the welds .. I sealed it with JB Weld 25 years ago .
@@trailrunnermike No I special ordered it no Radio .. No Air Conditioning .. Close Ration 4 speed. a 3 speed auto would have cost $70 more .. No T-Tops they were $650,, The cast aluminum mag wheels were $276.00 extra .. rear window defroster was like $88.00 window moldings I didn't want but ended up mounting ski racks and windsurfer racks on the molding so glad I got it .. I think Posi traction was $70 more.. Radio Suppression package was like $20.00 ectra .. 4% sales tax title registration all in the $7,192.00
I'm not surprised about WA, CO was a bit of a surprise. WA is great because you can ride through most of the year if you want to, but it's still cold enough that many don't want to, so you get to benefit from the dynamic.
Spent a few years in Seattle. You always knew the real hard-core riders when you saw them out in 45 degree drizzle. I was cold watching them and turned up the heater in my car lol.
My neighbor bought a 2007 electra glide for 10,000 two months ago because his car broke down "it's got low miles" he says. Lost a hard bag the same day. Then had to spend $700 labor for the rocker and tappet gaskets. 2 weeks later it wouldn't start. I don't understand people sometimes
It's pretty much the same trend here in Australia, but with a few outliers. Harley Davidson doesn't have as strong a market here, so you can get a 2 year old Pan America with under 10,000 km for just under 2/3 of the new price. And Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 owners tend to think that their used & questionably modified bikes are worth the same price or more as a new one.
I've bought and sold about 13 bikes. I've always had good luck buying in the winter and selling in the spring (May'ish). Buy when people are strapped for cash making those Christmas credit card bills and sell when those nice days hit and they are really to get outside. I'd buy them, put 10-20k on them, and sell for nearly the same price as I purchased without any major repairs.
My experience has always been that I get vehicles cheaper in big cities where the values are driven down by larger supply. I just recently drove from Tallahassee to Atlanta to save $1500 over a closer option.
….and RUclips promptly followed this video with a Facebook ad! 😂…. Another great video! Timely too since I’m looking for a used bike after a few years of not owning one.
@@iggynub not as lazy as the noob who walks into the clothing boutique, checks out the sub standard, shiny, 1920s tech, overpriced machines and has visions of Easy Rider in his bubble head, then puts down 5%, finances the other 95% for 7 years, rides off with his branded underwear, doo rag, helmet, gloves, jacket, pants, socks, and boots to the nearest trailer dealer. There he spends 5 ot 6K on a trailer to "ride" his new machine. 4 yrs later, and maybe 4,000 miles on the chrome turd, he decides to list it for sell at 99% of the price he signed the loan paperwork for. He ends up selling it for 30% less than listed, takes money out of his pocket to make up the difference to get the loan paid off, and calls it a day. Oh hell, I just realized, it's not lazy, its stupid. Sorry, you can disregard entire post. That is all.
I have been seeing motorcycles on Facebook marketplace dropping out very consistently by the day, some started listing at $ 12.000 , after a few weeks the same motorcycle is priced at $ 8.000. Which means, people’s are getting rid of toys and because the actual economy, there’s lower prices and more to choose but there’s practically non buyers, Yes, the same motorcycle listed at Facebook is way below the price marketed by Dealers. But for the ones that can’t afford to pay on cash and want that sweet bike, dealers are their best friends, higher price and very minimal low payments that are last long possible. This happens on 2020 when covid hit , I got my chance to get a good one in a low budget, customized and put some km on it, was thinking on put it on the market, but the current economical situation, won’t be favourable to me, since I don’t really need it to get rid off, better hold on. But there’s a lot of motorcycles on bargains, it will only depend if you have the cash and how desperate the seller is to get a good deal.
I don't know how it correlates but the rental market for real estate, the same has been happening over the last 4-6 months. I was looking at rental prices in multiple US cities as I was preparing to move my business to a more tax friendly location, and I was looking long enough to notice trends. Having access to the MLS through a realtor friend meant that I would get updates when properties had been on the market for a while, dropped off the listings, and then were re-listed usually at a lower price, or landlords had simply reduced the desired rent. The frequency of these alerts went up dramatically starting two months ago. There's definitely something going on.
@@helpfulcommenter Canada & USA economy has reached limit, with all the current BS and lending money to foreign countries are taking a big toll to peoples, seems like a every country wants to destabilize economy and bring everyone to poorer conditions, with the exception of politicians and multi million corporations, in my neighborhood, the only one buying property was developers and building contractors who built a duplex house in one land, selling this one for almost double the price, but now, seems like a the recession has taken them too, because I can see like 8 duplex properties without being sell , and others properties in the middle of construction has been stopped by their contractor because the lack of income. And with the fear monger of viruses every year only going to bring more people into debt making everyone dependable of the government and those corporate friends, just thinking about it.
@@nesbittracing1081 Before I saw the short you mentioned, I saw a notification of a "reliability" video that had been removed when I followed the link. Maybe this is how shorts are presented now and I shouldn't be surprised at endless rule changes at youtube?
@@KickKnete Before I saw the short you mentioned, I saw a notification of a "reliability" video that had been removed when I followed the link. Maybe this is how shorts are presented now and I shouldn't be surprised at endless rule changes at youtube?
In the US bike prices had been going up since 2020, but this year they seem like they are starting to come down a bit? I know the bike dealers around me had a harder time selling used bikes this year
I think a lot of people just don't have any money. For many a bike is a luxury or a fun toy. I've taken mine off the road because I can't afford it. Should be all go November hopefully.
Prices have definitely come down. But Dealers are wanting a small fortune. The LIST the Kawasaki KLX 230s for $3495, but then want $1500 in extra fees excluding title and taxes. That alone is frustrating. That will and DOES turn people to the used market. Bikes are still selling on Marketplace, but selling at a slower pace. It does not help that the filters on Marketplace have been broken since June. You can search the make, but the models are not being shown anymore, so you search for a model which is very hit and miss. I think that is causing the slowdown and people dropping prices because it is slow to sell.
That was a sniper like video, accurate, to the point, so simple one would be forgiven to not fully appropriate the work and impact. This video should have a high replay value. Outstanding.
Wasn't there an other new video out like 1-2 days ago called ''Putting a magic number on motorcycle reality" ? Is it the same as this one ? I didn't have time to watch it 😢
As a former statistician I definitely support your conclusion of what a small sample size means (as well as the vigour and passion of how you express it): 0:08
Ever since buying my first bike at 12 years old I wanted to do something like this because I KNEW there must be a point of diminishing returns! Amazing! Finally Facebook has a use!!! Best video you've ever done.
Right, I picked up a 2002 last model CB500S with only 30K km on the clock for 650 €, sat in a garage for years. Cleaned out the tank, had the carbs rebuilt, got a set of new tires, lots of elbow grease and the bike runs like a champ! Lasts forever.
Its more or less the same. HD are overpriced now and you'd be lucky to get a dyna for sub 13k, and everything else tracks. I picked up my FXDLS for 21k in 2019/2020, now they're 27k+ in the used market.
You’ve pretty well nailed it with your analysis, I mainly review used motorcycles on my channel down here in Australia and your graphs mirror the market we have. Cheers & thanks for sharing 👍
Fuck me. FortNine is the only content creator on earth where I look forward to the ads as much as the video. Genuinely useful products at a fair price. In a word with nothing but shit and scams, it's refreshing. I love my Henson Razor and I've had 3 bikes stolen in 5 years. The thing always keeping me from getting a tracker was the $50 a month subscription. You guys are the best on youtube! Never loose your integrity.
The SVs are great buys! Surprised you got them for as low as $2500 still. That being said, I got my 1k 4 or 5 years ago for that price and put almost 15k miles on it and might still be able to sell it for higher than I bought it for back then, so that's saying something!
Are you an engineering drop out? Data Analysis on point , Cinematography puts big channels to shame, physics and maths skills be bussing, and on top of that a great mechanic.
There is a decent cluster analysis that can be done on motorcycles. MCs have lots of continuous variables. I remember the guy who ran the Iron Butt rally on a versus 300. Made me wonder how the Goldwing would cluster relative to the Versus and how far apart the centroid would be.
Here in Indonesia price of used motorcycle is universal because we have annual bike tax and the government approximate the tax based on used price of the motorcycle lol. Everyone know what the price of this X year old Y model motorcycle.
As a young daft Brit working in Williston ND many years ago I thought I’d take a trip over the border to Regina. I forgot about the different map scale and didn’t realize there was so little to see over such a distance. Arrived just in time for everything to close and headed back.😂
Something is only worth what someone will pay for it. Prices went way up during covid and now they sit on marketplace. I'm glad to see them going back to reality.
There is some nice $2-2500 motorcycles for sale all around me. I will never buy a new bike. I just have to ride the 4 I have now. I didn't need 2 Honda Valkyries but, at $1500 and $2500 who could resist?
3:34 Ooooh, I see 2022 KLR in the background, do we finally get a 2022 Review of the KLR? A "How has it improved with age" video or maybe a "New.. old bike?" or maybe a "It died in 2018, so that it could live in 2022" video title? Would love to see one of your cinematic videos displaying the contrasts between 80s and 2022 KLR, however small the contrast I know Detective (like from the how to buy a used bike video, or from the DOT video) Ryan can spot with a magnifying glass and help shine the light on for us. And by contrast maybe more than just oh, it has EFI now, but more like how does it FEEL modern day riding a 2022 vs. riding a Gen 1 or even Gen 2 KLR. Anyways, can't wait to see a FortNine 2022 KLR video.
The '08 GS I got last year with 25k miles is a perfect blend (for my needs/wants) of capable, reliable, inexpensive with minimal electronics (things that will eventually break), but still new enough to take a diagnostic tool to tell me when something is wrong. Let someone else take the depreciation hit and work out any bugs a model ends up having.
Around 2010 I did a scatter plot chart of Japanese 450 mX bikes (as I was in the market.) It was a manual process using CL at the time over several months. It was central CA so weather was mostly negated. At the time, $3500-$4000 was where the depreciation curve started to flatten out. It’s hard to take all these datapoints in the video and make them actionable. Better analysis would probably be more specific like 600cc Japanese sport bikes. Or 500cc-700cc dual sports. Also, external factors like housing crash in 08 might be hard to quantify as others have already stated. Still a very cool analysis.
Thanks for the SIZZAPP heads up. I've been looking for a replacement for my Garmin Spot Trace. Although I'd prefer a satellite communication like the Spot Trace, the SIZZAPP looks like a good alternative. Some areas where I vacation have poor to no cell coverage, but that's been getting better over the past five years.
2000-2008 is a solid time frame to target currently. I learned all his presented into from being a stay at home dad (during the day)with small children an obsession for craigslist and marketplace for a number of years
Funfact: in our country which majority consist of small bike (below 300cc) since the big bike considered luxury thing with their premium tax, the price start declining massive from the 5th year. And than bikes from 20 years ago start to be considered as "collector item" with their price start being stable before rising up again 5 years later. Not sure this happened in other countries in southeast Asia as well..
way back in 1990 i owned an 82 RG250WD, paid about 2200 for it from a bike shop, these days those old RG's RD/RZ, etc are fetching 8-10k in pretty ordinary but rideable condition. if you collect a few bikes because of nostalgia/sentimental value they will eventually be worth more than you paid if theyre kept in decent running order bt you wont be retiring off the resale value.
![Which Motorcycle Manufacturer is Best? [Laboratory Test]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9GAUo8eUXeU/mqdefault.jpg)
The biggest issue with this analysis is asking vs. selling price. How many Harley sellers ask a new price and settle for 2/3 asking?
Except for the odd ball most people ask too much. And thats why you should look at the flow of the graph rather than the specific price
Yeah, that's the point. I've been selling my first bike (Honda Steed) for a year and sold it only when dropped price to ~70% of original.
And for all that time I've seen another Steed in the list - a bit older then mine and almost twice the price. Dude haven't drop a cent. I think that bike is still on the list
My uncle (the only person I know that sold a Harley) sold his Roadster at that high asking price, ten years ago.
I see way too many newer $40k+ Harleys listed where some blue collar guy financed a bike he couldn’t afford to begin with. Then someone happens (lose job, hours reduced, has a child etc) and now they’re upside down and trying to sell a 2 year old $40k+ bike for $45k to cover their loan. Makes me sad every time. I’m a lawyer, and I know I can’t afford to finance a toy like that so I DONT FINANCE TOYS lol. I have one lightly used bike and paid cash. Hopefully this will happen less since interest rates are up, but I doubt it. They do look pretty on the showroom floor.
@@sielentbrat4005 "I swear honey, the bike is for sale!"
The scraping software is called Bardeen. You're welcome.
there's still good people in this world
Thanks, I was scared that no one would post the name
Not all heros wear capes
I'll not gonna add a like to this to make it 70. Thanks for this info btw.
Without marketplace Facebook would be dead to me.
It's the only reason why I would want to reactivate my FB again. I deactivated it over 3 years ago.
Just use your girlfriends
@@FilthyGoyim Never mix business with pleasure.
I don't use facebook since 2017, I quit after the election and all the rubbish. Did not miss it one bit. Set up a new account a couple years ago to use Marketplace. I have 0 friends, but I find some great deals.
@@DroneStrike1776
Yeah I was kinda surprised there wasn't any Craigslist ads included in this. Don't let it die, y'all!
Sportbike guys especially go for ~2007. All the big 4 were making great bikes, for example, the difference between a 2007 cbr600rr and a 2023 is electronics, paint, and price. The 06 R6 already had RBW, and the 07 gsxr600 is legendary. Cheap compared to new, but the performance is modern
K7 Gixxer bro.... sharp as a missile....
do the 07 models have ABS? ABS on the frontwheel never interfered with my driving, the rearwheel lifts off before that, but i had it save my ass a few times on the rear wheel, it's a nice livesaver i wouldn't want to save a bit of money over
I have a 2007 ninja 650R and just hit 60,000 miles. Anything over 15,000 miles on a bike is considered high mileage. I would have to agree with your analysis of bikes from 2007.
Sportbike wannabe, and by wannabe I mean all were CBs. 2 x 750 (K and F), 1 x 900 (F) and 1 x CBX 125. But, also a cruiser wannabe (2 x CM 250, 1 x Rebel 250 ((ugh!), 1 x Kymco 150 ((present for FiL)), 1 x CB125 ((also for FiL)) 1x GL400 and 1x GL500 and 1 x EL250), off-road wannabe (1 x SX200, 1 x DR250, 1 x XLR 250). And the most modern was 1991.
Carbs can be a hassle, but you sure learn all about your bike. And the CCB750 will do everything you want it to. Just avoid the F.
@AST4EVER in my country Suzukis are underrated asf, people wanted the newest and the latest just to feed their ego "haha mine is more expensive than yours thus it's better" it's crazy. glad that my Suzuki GSX-R150 never got updated because after all these years it's still one of the best bike ever statistically, my '17 is still strong even tho it has 80k kilometers on it.
Your quips are great. The farm equipment quip was slid in as if were an everyday statement, that’s why I never miss your videos. They’re informative, very humorous, and down right satirical without being mean. It takes talent to do all of this and not end up being hated by at least one entire segment, but you have pulled it off.
Thank you for all the entertainment while educating us at the same time.
BTW, Ryan owns, or owned, a Harley.
Calm down.
@@njpaddler Everyone has flaws.
what do you mean "at least one entire segment"...there are only TWO segments...the HD World, and the motorcycle world. Those that buy their machines at a clothing boutique will never be in the motorcycle world. That is all.
@5:28 is the Harley D farm equipment quote. It's true tho....tractors often have a 40 year life and right up until the end of their life maintain a good value, though we recently almost bought an ancient one from the 1970s for a few thousand.
Listing bikes for $1 drives me insane. Im about to start applying for all of them and making them do all the paperwork only to say "actually I changed my mind"
I have to filter out everything on craigslist ~
I just click buy now and if they ask for more than $1 I splurt bs legal stuff at them till they likely stop replying. Cost me 5 minutes of my time but hopefully stops them doing it
@@dannywhite132 there's probably a guy that doesn't want to do it but some other guy makes the rules because he knows 'how to sell bikes', etc..
anyways, they insert at the end of the listing a bunch of unrelated makes and models too. annoying af, i sometimes report dealers that abuse the system like that..
don't forget $1234. Every search engine should have a button to eliminate anything priced that way.
or when they list the monthly payment as msrp. Like a new ford explorer for $400. @@SkunkRiverCycles
The used market is insane right now. I work in sales at a motorsports dealership. I have so many customers who come in to buy new because the used-by-owner prices are so high right now that it just makes better sense to buy new.
I've bought 3 brand new bikes. At 5 years old the price is still almost the same as new. After 10 years old the price Is looking acceptable for used but now the bike is 10 years old. I would expect a 2-3 year old bike to cost what a 10 year old bike costs
It's likely that this price bubble will pop soon. It seems a lot of people bought bikes over the last three years, and are discovering that they never ride them. At some point those impulse purchases will end up on the used market in droves. I'm betting it happens in early 2024.
I think we're mid-decline in Vancouver! Lots of solid bikes have been sitting and dropping in price for the last few months. ~RF9
It's that way around me anything newer than like 10+ years old you might as well go new as the best you can hope for no matter the reading on the odometer is any where from 500-1K off the new price for a similar model.
Couldnt agree more. In europe, there are pages upon pages of current model year bikes going on sale with a couple of thousand kilometres on the odometre for about 300€ less than New. Cant wait for prices to go down a bit because this is getting outrageous.
"Why pay a premium for Regina when you can be in Big Beaver in an hour?" We see what you did there, and it's why we love you Ryan. :)
"Thanks - I just had it stuffed"
Never change Ryan, you’re a treasure
Explain please
@@shashankks6708 maybe somebody should draw you a picture
@@shashankks6708I'm guessing it's a sexual innuendo that only a north American would get because I'm stumped from the land down under
Man you guys are slapping out some amazing content.
so are my cheeks
Perfectly timed video, as winter is coming. I'll def be looking to get myself a nice A2 this winter.
Are you near Frankfurt looking for a mint cb500f?
I had to freeze the video at 4:47 to read the graph. Priceless! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was stated below there are only 2 segments, I disagree. Looking at it in a biker only world, maybe there'd be something to this thought, but as I know several people that don't, and have never ridden, this opens Ryan to many more segments of people. To make so many people laugh, stay informative, educate the masses all while entertaining most of all whom watch, takes a lot of talent and a good team of people to make you look good on top of being able to express things without sounding derogatory, belittling, or downright angered. Ryan and is team have done a great job and provided something many people want/like.
To Ryan, thank you for the dedication and sereness of humor that keeps us all coming back. My one and only fuss, I'd like videos more often, but I'm a bit selfish that way.
I wish these guys had a blog post on how they did the statistics analysis to follow along with. Looks like a nice skill to learn.
The method is called Web scraping, if you know basic coding, it's pretty straightforward.
101 class in school.
Anyone know the name of the tool Ryan used?
especially for scrapping
@@yosefm170 But fraught with legal peril...you can get sued by people and blocked by your ISP for web scraping if you don't use an anonymous proxy server, sadly.
Fun fact, I bought my 80s bike for 500 bucks, spent a year and another 500 fixing it. It was a pretty alright experience
I bought my first street bike for $50 -- rode it a few years and sold it for $850. I have no other examples like that.
@@no_nuts It likely depends on how much sweat equity and risk you can take on. A bike that doesn't start at all is a lot of both, but if you can get it running for a reasonable price, you're looking at a decent profit. Especially if the seller just wants it gone.
Same but mine was a 79, 4 months and ~1k fixing
First bike was a 74 cb360 that started but clutch didn't engage. Fixed that with a ball bearing i had lying around(dont ask how). Bought for 400, sold for 1000
I tend to buy bikes for $2000, put about $1500 into them and sell the. For $2000.
Here is the truth: It doesn't make sense to collect bikes to make a profit. The collectors market for bikes isn't there. What makes sense is to buy a used bike and to ride it as long as you can.
Yes, it only makes sense to flip bikes if you're a dealership and only for bikes that can be sold in a reasonable time frame. For the rest of us, it's nice to know about that curve, but probably not that useful unless you're already thinking about buying or selling.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Here in Austria a lot of people think that motorcycles gain some value and are collectors items. They often say "wow I made 300€ profit on that", but they forget how long they had to keep it and maintain int. A Porsche 911, Lamborghini Miura or a Koenigsegg is a collectors item that makes profit, a motorcycle will never achieve that (or just in very very very rare cases). Investing in motorcycles is nonsense :D
Choosing not to ride your motorcycle because it "hurts the resale value" is like choosing not to have sex with your wife so that she'll have lower expectations for the next guy she sleeps with.
@@UndeadPorcupineIn your analogy, does the wife divorce the husband before she sleeps with the next guy?
@@kariokenYep, it's better to invest in Lego.
hello, the time has come when I don't have a motorcycle and I don't even have a home now, and in a month I'm leaving for Canada from Ukraine, I hope that next season I can afford to buy a bike and travel around this huge country, who knows, maybe I'll meet you on the road! one of the best channels about motorcycles, subscribed for a very long time, thank you for your work, take care friends!
Being a big youtube content consumer i follow and watch a lot of channels ranging from tech to news to automoto to simple fun and entertainment, i really think that objectively F9 is the best .
Not sure if it is my favorite ( top 5 for sure ) but the best. Amazing videography and writing , unbelievably good content meaning extremely relevant to the channels focus, educational , recreational, entertaining , fun , informative , original etc and whats even more worth applauding is that most the time the videos are all the above at once not one funny video one informative etc.
I sincerely admire you guys for doing all that and enjoying it at the same time the passion is obvious in the results!!! ( or faking it but being really good at it XD )
Based on your taste I feel like you have good merit. I’m curious what’s your top 5 RUclipsrs?
A strange and almost unknown outlier from most of those curves here in Germany is the single cylinder Yamaha XT660Z Tenere (2008-2016). Only a few were sold, but those few still cost about 4,5k to 6k used - while they did cost 7000 new. That mimicks the HD curve. Well, farm equipment, I guess. 🙂
We get that with the Honda GB500 and the Yamaha SRX660. Unloved when sold, cult status now.
Hey, don't be rude! I've bought used XT660Z for 5200€ in 2017 and sold it for 4800€ in 2022 after I did 20.000km. I've lost 400€ in 5 years that's a disaster! :D But to be fair it's really good bike and worth the price. I'm sure you know youtuber Motorcycle Adventures and his 193.000km XT660Z.
HD basically IS farm equipment, so this checks out...
just so everyone knows a "lifelong subscription" to a server service last about 3 years
Aktuallaly, most of this is because fuel injection started being incorporated into motorcycles around 2000, so they weren't discarded as readily as fussy carburetor bikes that most people gave up on if they stopped working or had issues. Anyone that's seen what it takes to clean and sync quad carbs knows what I'm talking about.
Additionally, 2000-ish to 2008 was a wild party of free credit to anyone that asked, so tons of sport bikes were bought with minimal money down and eventually sold or foreclosed on, so there's PILES of those bikes around. Furthermore, the sheer number of 00-08 bikes suppressed future sport bike sales because why would you buy a $10k+ new bike when you could buy a low mileage used one for $5k that offers pretty much the same performance? Really, the only reason to buy a newer bike is if you really want rider modes and things like that.
All in all, I don't think this data tells the whole story, and honestly bikes are so cheap just buy what you like when you know you are getting a good deal on a good bike and you probably won't lose much.
@nunyabusiness896 "fussy carburetor bikes"? I don't know which you have ridden, but carbs are a lot easier than FI to work with from the early '80's onwards. I bought a set of vac gauges in the mid 2000s to use when servicing my bikes [now only oe twin with carbs, the rest are FI] and it was a waste of money as I didn't have to adjust anything, even on medium-high {50 -100 000] mile bikes.
FI is fine until one of the many sensors fails. Not very likely but it may disable your bike as the ECU can't work, the best you can hope for is a limp home mode. Then you have to hope the sensor is still available! FI throttle bodies still need balancing.
@@TheRantyRider That must be why every carbed bike for sale "needs a tune up" or doesn't run while every FI bike "runs great" despite spending half of its life doing burnouts. I was also born yesterday and haven't witnessed how shtty carbs are first hand, especially with ethanol fuel 🙄. When I had a race kart, half of everyone's day was spent unfcking the carb even with non-ethanol fuel, meanwhile I've never had to touch a FI system in my life on anything.
@@nunyabusiness896 Thanks for the reply. I imagine that race tuned kit is a bit more twitchy than road tuned, but I would have thought that my high milage carbed bikes would have shown problems if there were any. I once had the legendary 'bad fill' that caused a twin carb/twin cylinder bike a stutter when pulling out and there was a trace of water in the fuel. Were the karts two stoke or four stroke? Could it have been a case of too much oil in the pre-mix rather than fuelling?
In the UK we don't see many 'needs a tune up' adverts, un-used bikes may 'benefit from light recommissioning' but that is because the battery, brakes, chain, oil, filters and bulbs need replacing. Carbs in the UK pretty much died 20 years ago which around here accounts for non-runners as well.
One of the bike price mysteries I've noticed is that of the Kawasaki Concours ZG1000 vs the Yamaha TW200. Both bikes were (and continue to be in the case of the TW200) made for decades virtually unchanged starting in the 1980s. Today, I can pick up the Concours for under two grand while the Yamaha--which is soooooo much LESS bike--continues to fetch well over $3,000, even those dating back to the 1980s. I just don't get it. I own a 2003 Concours, which I bought last year in pristine condition with 5K miles in non-running condition due to carb issues--an easy fix--which I picked up for $900 but I wouldn't mind owning a TW200 but just can't get around the price.
The TW was consistently $1100 until the pandemic. Same with the SR400.
Because the tw200 and the xt250 that Yamaha make are so damn reliable. I own a 2007 xt and the thing has simply never failed.
Bought a basically brand new tw125 a week ago for 950, we dont have the tw200 in my country. I got a really great deal though, in brand new condition they sell for 2K - 2.5K. The main difference is that the tw is a fairly special bike that most people buy because they love it. Looking at the concours it just looks like most touring bikes
Probably has a lot to do with who buys and uses those sorts of bikes, both new and used. The Concours, a sport tourer, is probably bought by a lot of middle age people and retirees, perhaps a mid-life crisis machine, or a toy they think they'll use, but in the end they don't ride it a ton, so demand falls off quickly, and they decide to sell the dusty old bike taking up space in the garage, meaning plenty on the market. As these folks have plenty of money, they aren't too concerned about getting the most money they can, just want it gone with minimal fuss. TW200s are bought by the legitimately adventurous, those who actually ride a lot, beat the hell out of them, and - as they actually use them - don't want to let them go.
Don't forget the 'fashion' element, I believe a lot of touring bike owners moved over to ADV style bikes starting around '04 onwards. My surprise was looking at the prices of used Honda Groms - good grief !
Never clicked so fast
A lot of good advice here - especially at the, ahem...end.
As a resident of Sask I’ll report back on how the Big beaver-Regina “loop” goes.
Big muddy is also on your innuendo route as well…. Better make sure to clean up after riding hard in that particular spot.
"The Vancouver Island Tax" is an actual thing. People think all their stuff s just worth more here, and they won't budge on prices because they see everyone else asking too much for the same junk.
You just described the real estate market. 😜
@@blandrooker6541 The real estate market is cause by land being used as a tax shelter. Land taxes should drop prices. But with how long the bubble has been going: some people will be underwater on their mortgages.
tell me about that dodge neon i bought in Ucluelet in 2005 (living in Tofino). I still feel betrayed :D
N-Hell on the east coast of canada is the same thing.... but the used market is getting flooded now for recreational vehicles, so the only ones selling are the sellers ready to deal. A welfare state, the cerb had majority living like kings, getting a $2000 a month check where they never ever received a check in their life. Welfare with 3 adult kids all living in government housing collecting $10,000 extra in CERB. No wonder you couldn't get a couch, game console or ATV for 3 years. Now its turning around...... except nobodies paying the CERB back.
@@dcsales2007 That is a lie: CERB was tied to employment. If you were on welfare you did not qualify for CERB.
Though being part-time, and the program assuming full-time employment my monthly checks were larger than I ever got in my working life so far. Was cut off when I told Service Canada that I was not looking for full-time employment.
I only buy low mile, used motorcycles. You can save many thousands. For example, a new R1250GSA is $25k. A sub 15k mile R1200GSA can be had for $13-15k. Used bikes also often have lots of upgrades worth thousands.
This is EXACTLY the topic my friends and I were just discussing! We're hearing disturbing rumors of manufacturers dropping parts and service support for bikes that are 10+ years old. I'd REALLY like to see a video on the subject of which bikes to buy as "forever bike".
Modern bikes seem especially problematic because of the digital electronics. CAN Bus may keep you from replacing that busted ignition switch with a toggle switch (yes, I had a bike like that).
You can still get parts for a Harley Flathead and for a Triumph Engineering twin but what other bikes have that sort of support? Sportster? KLR 650? DR650S? TW200? XR650L? Bullet?
What can I buy today (new or used) that I know I will likely be able to still be riding without any issues whatsoever 12+ years from now?
@peterholthoffman - One thing to think about is how many were sold. This can mean that there are a lot of spares in breakers that are no longer available from the manufacturers. I'm not thinking about a C90 of which Honda sold gadzillions but buying a Rune and expecting to be able to get an exhaust is like me expecting a date with Karen Gillan. Not only will more breaker spares be available for a popular bike but aftermarket companies will also have made pattern or replacment parts.
As for longevity 2009/2010 seems to be the cut off year. Before that all was roses and money was spent on the quality of the bikes. After the financial crash manufacturers built to a budget and not a standard so quality hit the buffers. I have a 100 000 + mile Honda Hornet 900 from 2006 that is still on the original parts and looks good and I also put a CB500 'round the clock. Parts for the 500 are more readily available as a lot more were sold.
If you can find a sub 30 000 mile Hornet 900 in original trim then that would be a good buy. A couple of grand should see you get one and in my experience high milages don't bother it.
A BMW R or XR or GS
Well for old bikes you have the second hand market. Lots of old bikes get sold in parts to keep the others alive a bit longer. So the popularity of the model is much more important then the support given to the model.
Don't pick at my KLR for being reparablity
F9 made a video about BMW K. You might want to watch it.
I Don't Always Understand Everything You Say But I Enjoy Watching You Say It. Thank You.
Had to watch it quick before it got deleted 👍😊
was it different to this video? I got the notify but it was already gone
@@lakeland6798 I think it was a different vid, I didn't get there fast enough to watch it. 🙁
Colorado here, can confirm! About to go shopping in a couple weeks as the fair weather riders divest
Is there anywhere in particular you look for bikes? Or is fb marketplace just the move?
@@JTandallthosedarnplaylistsCraigslist worked about as good as FB marketplace for me. Shop for the rider, you want the guy who decided he doesn't look to ride far too late and is just looking to recoup some losses. They're out there in droves.
Always interesting and well researched insight from Ryan and the crew....this episode is no exception. That said--motorcycling (buying, selling, riding et al) does not fall into a scientific analysis for everyone. For many, it's more emotional than rational. Appreciate the charts/graphs and formulas however---in the end most of us buy and ride what we like and what makes us feel good.
Dudes & his team got best analytical brains, technical explaination of any auto journalist I've seen on YT.
Reminder that it's a 2 person team. Him and his filmer/editor
My First and only New Car I ever bought, A 1979 Z--28 Camaro was $7,192.00 First new Street bike I ever bought was a 2016 Yamaha FZ-07 for $7,400.00 I still have the Camaro..
My fourth new Dirt Bike I ever bought is a 1978 Yamaha YZ-100-E Seems I paid $411.00 for it plus I traded in a 1976 Yamaha 125 MX-C with a leaking steel gas tank. Silicone glue could not fix. I have since learned how to weld and braze or use JB Weld to fix a leaking gas tank. I built an 89 Gallon Fuel tank for a Truck it has some pin hole leaks in the welds .. I sealed it with JB Weld 25 years ago .
If you paid $7,192 for a new Z28 in or about 1979 you got a car with most every option box checked.
@@trailrunnermike No I special ordered it no Radio .. No Air Conditioning .. Close Ration 4 speed. a 3 speed auto would have cost $70 more .. No T-Tops they were $650,, The cast aluminum mag wheels were $276.00 extra .. rear window defroster was like $88.00 window moldings I didn't want but ended up mounting ski racks and windsurfer racks on the molding so glad I got it .. I think Posi traction was $70 more.. Radio Suppression package was like $20.00 ectra .. 4% sales tax title registration all in the $7,192.00
This entire channel is pure gold
I'm not surprised about WA, CO was a bit of a surprise. WA is great because you can ride through most of the year if you want to, but it's still cold enough that many don't want to, so you get to benefit from the dynamic.
Spent a few years in Seattle. You always knew the real hard-core riders when you saw them out in 45 degree drizzle. I was cold watching them and turned up the heater in my car lol.
My neighbor bought a 2007 electra glide for 10,000 two months ago because his car broke down "it's got low miles" he says. Lost a hard bag the same day. Then had to spend $700 labor for the rocker and tappet gaskets. 2 weeks later it wouldn't start. I don't understand people sometimes
It's pretty much the same trend here in Australia, but with a few outliers. Harley Davidson doesn't have as strong a market here, so you can get a 2 year old Pan America with under 10,000 km for just under 2/3 of the new price. And Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 owners tend to think that their used & questionably modified bikes are worth the same price or more as a new one.
Where would we be without these videos? I shudder to think about it.
that lets try it in a small town joke is hilarious lol. actually the whole doritos loving data cruncher character has to be my favorite
I like the graph of the Herpes situation at F9 headquarters.
I've bought and sold about 13 bikes. I've always had good luck buying in the winter and selling in the spring (May'ish). Buy when people are strapped for cash making those Christmas credit card bills and sell when those nice days hit and they are really to get outside. I'd buy them, put 10-20k on them, and sell for nearly the same price as I purchased without any major repairs.
My experience has always been that I get vehicles cheaper in big cities where the values are driven down by larger supply. I just recently drove from Tallahassee to Atlanta to save $1500 over a closer option.
….and RUclips promptly followed this video with a Facebook ad! 😂…. Another great video! Timely too since I’m looking for a used bike after a few years of not owning one.
The joke about farm equipment is just brilliant. *standing ovations*
It's the most common, thoughtless quip. It was lazy.
@@iggynub not as lazy as the noob who walks into the clothing boutique, checks out the sub standard, shiny, 1920s tech, overpriced machines and has visions of Easy Rider in his bubble head, then puts down 5%, finances the other 95% for 7 years, rides off with his branded underwear, doo rag, helmet, gloves, jacket, pants, socks, and boots to the nearest trailer dealer. There he spends 5 ot 6K on a trailer to "ride" his new machine. 4 yrs later, and maybe 4,000 miles on the chrome turd, he decides to list it for sell at 99% of the price he signed the loan paperwork for. He ends up selling it for 30% less than listed, takes money out of his pocket to make up the difference to get the loan paid off, and calls it a day. Oh hell, I just realized, it's not lazy, its stupid. Sorry, you can disregard entire post. That is all.
Woah, never have i been able to watch a f9 video so immediately 3 mins
I have been seeing motorcycles on Facebook marketplace dropping out very consistently by the day, some started listing at $ 12.000 , after a few weeks the same motorcycle is priced at $ 8.000.
Which means, people’s are getting rid of toys and because the actual economy, there’s lower prices and more to choose but there’s practically non buyers, Yes, the same motorcycle listed at Facebook is way below the price marketed by Dealers. But for the ones that can’t afford to pay on cash and want that sweet bike, dealers are their best friends, higher price and very minimal low payments that are last long possible. This happens on 2020 when covid hit , I got my chance to get a good one in a low budget, customized and put some km on it, was thinking on put it on the market, but the current economical situation, won’t be favourable to me, since I don’t really need it to get rid off, better hold on. But there’s a lot of motorcycles on bargains, it will only depend if you have the cash and how desperate the seller is to get a good deal.
I don't know how it correlates but the rental market for real estate, the same has been happening over the last 4-6 months. I was looking at rental prices in multiple US cities as I was preparing to move my business to a more tax friendly location, and I was looking long enough to notice trends. Having access to the MLS through a realtor friend meant that I would get updates when properties had been on the market for a while, dropped off the listings, and then were re-listed usually at a lower price, or landlords had simply reduced the desired rent. The frequency of these alerts went up dramatically starting two months ago.
There's definitely something going on.
@@helpfulcommenter Canada & USA economy has reached limit, with all the current BS and lending money to foreign countries are taking a big toll to peoples, seems like a every country wants to destabilize economy and bring everyone to poorer conditions, with the exception of politicians and multi million corporations, in my neighborhood, the only one buying property was developers and building contractors who built a duplex house in one land, selling this one for almost double the price, but now, seems like a the recession has taken them too, because I can see like 8 duplex properties without being sell , and others properties in the middle of construction has been stopped by their contractor because the lack of income. And with the fear monger of viruses every year only going to bring more people into debt making everyone dependable of the government and those corporate friends, just thinking about it.
Ryan's videos are so calming no matter the content. Love it.
So, the reliability video was scraped? Or did it morph into this? Either way, this video was very enjoyable and educational!
I think that short they did was it
No, it's a different video, it's a short.
@@nesbittracing1081 Before I saw the short you mentioned, I saw a notification of a "reliability" video that had been removed when I followed the link. Maybe this is how shorts are presented now and I shouldn't be surprised at endless rule changes at youtube?
@@KickKnete Before I saw the short you mentioned, I saw a notification of a "reliability" video that had been removed when I followed the link. Maybe this is how shorts are presented now and I shouldn't be surprised at endless rule changes at youtube?
There's a link I'm the description of the reliability short video that takes you to their website of the graph so you can click around.
While your content is always useful, it's your narrative that keeps me coming back!
In the US bike prices had been going up since 2020, but this year they seem like they are starting to come down a bit? I know the bike dealers around me had a harder time selling used bikes this year
I think a lot of people just don't have any money. For many a bike is a luxury or a fun toy. I've taken mine off the road because I can't afford it. Should be all go November hopefully.
Prices have definitely come down. But Dealers are wanting a small fortune. The LIST the Kawasaki KLX 230s for $3495, but then want $1500 in extra fees excluding title and taxes. That alone is frustrating. That will and DOES turn people to the used market. Bikes are still selling on Marketplace, but selling at a slower pace. It does not help that the filters on Marketplace have been broken since June. You can search the make, but the models are not being shown anymore, so you search for a model which is very hit and miss. I think that is causing the slowdown and people dropping prices because it is slow to sell.
Just wish to say that I looove this channel. Keep on keeping on!
2010 also saw the rise of fuel injection and ABS. A post 2010 bike is potentially a huge jump in tech from a few years before
Your channel is easily one of the most earned subscriptions I’ve subscribed to. Thank you sir.
As someone who has seen Big Beaver, I'm glad I stayed in Regina.
Gobbler's Knob is just down the road from me. I prefer Molly's Nipple, but Fanny's Hole is a nice place to ride (in Idaho).
That was a sniper like video, accurate, to the point, so simple one would be forgiven to not fully appropriate the work and impact. This video should have a high replay value. Outstanding.
Wasn't there an other new video out like 1-2 days ago called ''Putting a magic number on motorcycle reality" ? Is it the same as this one ? I didn't have time to watch it 😢
It’s “Putting a magic number on motorcycle reliability” and it’s a RUclips short
There was a video, I didn't get to watch it either
@@astronautindisguise auto-correct mistake
As a former statistician I definitely support your conclusion of what a small sample size means (as well as the vigour and passion of how you express it): 0:08
Woah! So many F9 videos! Is this real life?
Ever since buying my first bike at 12 years old I wanted to do something like this because I KNEW there must be a point of diminishing returns! Amazing! Finally Facebook has a use!!! Best video you've ever done.
What can I say, I am cheap! I buy under 1000, fix it up, maintain it the best I can and ride it until there is nothing left.
Right, I picked up a 2002 last model CB500S with only 30K km on the clock for 650 €, sat in a garage for years. Cleaned out the tank, had the carbs rebuilt, got a set of new tires, lots of elbow grease and the bike runs like a champ! Lasts forever.
Thanks for making more frequent videos. You get to the point with love it sarcastic humor.
he should do the same video but on the australian used bikes market, pretty insane over here
Bardeen is the scraping tool - good hunting! ~RF9
@@FortNinedoes work with things that have more than 2 wheels?
Yeah but Australia has Ducati Monster 400's. Problem is I'd have to buy 2. One as a parts bike and one as the riding bike.
Its more or less the same. HD are overpriced now and you'd be lucky to get a dyna for sub 13k, and everything else tracks. I picked up my FXDLS for 21k in 2019/2020, now they're 27k+ in the used market.
You’ve pretty well nailed it with your analysis, I mainly review used motorcycles on my channel down here in Australia and your graphs mirror the market we have. Cheers & thanks for sharing 👍
Fuck me. FortNine is the only content creator on earth where I look forward to the ads as much as the video. Genuinely useful products at a fair price. In a word with nothing but shit and scams, it's refreshing. I love my Henson Razor and I've had 3 bikes stolen in 5 years. The thing always keeping me from getting a tracker was the $50 a month subscription. You guys are the best on youtube! Never loose your integrity.
Loving the red tab opened in your browser... I always check for those in every video showing a browser :)
The farm equipment comment had me dying!
Haven’t tried it yet but if it works as adverted…. Probably the best advertisement section I’ve seen. Definitely getting one.
I purchased 3 bikes this year, each for $2500. A 91 Electra glide, and an sv650 and sv1000 both 2003. His analysis holds up.
The SVs are great buys! Surprised you got them for as low as $2500 still. That being said, I got my 1k 4 or 5 years ago for that price and put almost 15k miles on it and might still be able to sell it for higher than I bought it for back then, so that's saying something!
Got my clapped 2002 sv650s for $2000 kid fucked me over pretty good haven’t been able to get her running so many issues countless coils/plugs etc
@@Micahslooseearlobe sorry to hear that! Hopefully parts are available cheap to you!
Thank you Ryan for so succinctly informing me I bought my used bike at the exact wrong age.
Are you an engineering drop out? Data Analysis on point , Cinematography puts big channels to shame, physics and maths skills be bussing, and on top of that a great mechanic.
Hes got a Physics Degree
Beautiful writing as ever with innuendo gems sprinkle mist the turgid data analysis. Respect ✊
What is this tool thats he is using for scraping data called?
Bardeen. ~RF9
Oh and also, if you use it, just assume President Xi is stealing all your data too. ~RF9
@@FortNineReally? Isn’t Bardeen ai a US company?
Top quality analysis delivered with laughs, I loved F9
There is a decent cluster analysis that can be done on motorcycles. MCs have lots of continuous variables. I remember the guy who ran the Iron Butt rally on a versus 300. Made me wonder how the Goldwing would cluster relative to the Versus and how far apart the centroid would be.
"like most farm equipment" cracked me right up - nice one Ryan
Here in Indonesia price of used motorcycle is universal because we have annual bike tax and the government approximate the tax based on used price of the motorcycle lol. Everyone know what the price of this X year old Y model motorcycle.
As a young daft Brit working in Williston ND many years ago I thought I’d take a trip over the border to Regina. I forgot about the different map scale and didn’t realize there was so little to see over such a distance. Arrived just in time for everything to close and headed back.😂
Something is only worth what someone will pay for it. Prices went way up during covid and now they sit on marketplace. I'm glad to see them going back to reality.
exactly right. Micro economics at play.
Kind of crazy how good these videos are
Thank you for clearing showing why Harley’s are NOT overpriced. The resale value is significantly higher and that’s the other half of the equation.
Ah yes, my favorite stats channel comes out with a motorcycle video!!!
Fantastic.
I miss seeing these kind of videos.
I'm such a geek, I love it when you give me stats and diagrams.
Ooooooh you dirty boy 🤣
This is brilliant as always, Thank you FortNine!!
There is some nice $2-2500 motorcycles for sale all around me. I will never buy a new bike. I just have to ride the 4 I have now. I didn't need 2 Honda Valkyries but, at $1500 and $2500 who could resist?
Fascinating. Please do more analyses like this!
the most well educated, strong opniond, yet very funny jokes are always by ryan! you're the goat
3:34 Ooooh, I see 2022 KLR in the background, do we finally get a 2022 Review of the KLR? A "How has it improved with age" video or maybe a "New.. old bike?" or maybe a "It died in 2018, so that it could live in 2022" video title?
Would love to see one of your cinematic videos displaying the contrasts between 80s and 2022 KLR, however small the contrast I know Detective (like from the how to buy a used bike video, or from the DOT video) Ryan can spot with a magnifying glass and help shine the light on for us.
And by contrast maybe more than just oh, it has EFI now, but more like how does it FEEL modern day riding a 2022 vs. riding a Gen 1 or even Gen 2 KLR.
Anyways, can't wait to see a FortNine 2022 KLR video.
Fort Nine was where i first heard about klr going efi - so i think theres a video like you ask somewhere
The '08 GS I got last year with 25k miles is a perfect blend (for my needs/wants) of capable, reliable, inexpensive with minimal electronics (things that will eventually break), but still new enough to take a diagnostic tool to tell me when something is wrong. Let someone else take the depreciation hit and work out any bugs a model ends up having.
Came for the motorcycle content, laughed my arse off at the social (media) commentary. Great stuff.
Almost spit my drink with the Farm Equipment statement...😂🤣😂🤣
Around 2010 I did a scatter plot chart of Japanese 450 mX bikes (as I was in the market.) It was a manual process using CL at the time over several months. It was central CA so weather was mostly negated. At the time, $3500-$4000 was where the depreciation curve started to flatten out. It’s hard to take all these datapoints in the video and make them actionable. Better analysis would probably be more specific like 600cc Japanese sport bikes. Or 500cc-700cc dual sports. Also, external factors like housing crash in 08 might be hard to quantify as others have already stated. Still a very cool analysis.
Thanks for the SIZZAPP heads up.
I've been looking for a replacement for my Garmin Spot Trace. Although I'd prefer a satellite communication like the Spot Trace, the SIZZAPP looks like a good alternative. Some areas where I vacation have poor to no cell coverage, but that's been getting better over the past five years.
Why do you want to replace your spot trace? Anything wrong with it?
2000-2008 is a solid time frame to target currently. I learned all his presented into from being a stay at home dad (during the day)with small children an obsession for craigslist and marketplace for a number of years
I'd really like to get your take on the difference between inverted forks and right side up forks and how that difference is made
Funfact: in our country which majority consist of small bike (below 300cc) since the big bike considered luxury thing with their premium tax, the price start declining massive from the 5th year. And than bikes from 20 years ago start to be considered as "collector item" with their price start being stable before rising up again 5 years later. Not sure this happened in other countries in southeast Asia as well..
Since I no longer ride, maybe I will get that tracker for my car instead. The one time pay makes it appealing compared to the monthly subscription BS
That opening brings hope to my heart.
way back in 1990 i owned an 82 RG250WD, paid about 2200 for it from a bike shop, these days those old RG's RD/RZ, etc are fetching 8-10k in pretty ordinary but rideable condition.
if you collect a few bikes because of nostalgia/sentimental value they will eventually be worth more than you paid if theyre kept in decent running order bt you wont be retiring off the resale value.
Like a fine bottle of wine , you just get better and better . Thanks for putting a smile on my face !
I'd like to see what Time of Year is best to buy / sell. GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS RYAN!
I’m from Seattle WA, this video is pretty much how I make my side hustle buying in fall and selling in the spring :)
The seasonality here is pretty wild but very few people enjoy riding in the rain