Hey vikchun. My guildmate mentioned you, so i came here. To be honest, it's been a long time since i stopped paying attention to what other people say about me (i still remember people calling me "powerpoint guy" or "this guy can't even talk" haha) . So, i'm happy, really happy to know that there is still someone who loves me. Your videos are also very helpful for me. I have learned quite a few good (and weird) teams from you lol. Have a good day, really appreciate your kind words
Good comments and I understand where you're coming from, but I pretty much have the opposite opinion regarding her use in gvg offense. I won't repeat what Valky said but I agree and think it's definitely part of the reason she seems to be underrated. The other part is that she brings a lot more value to the team as a whole, unlike the other units you mentioned. Those units all have self mitigation/protection. Lilias as that same or better mitigation with her passive and also heals herself on S1, but also brings team value like AOE CR push and attack buff which is sometimes really necessary. I'm going to copy part of another comment I posted to compare. Ludwig, who I use a LOT, is great against Choux and other ice units but lacks that support to other units, and can be tricky to use when there's anti crit + cleanse in the team (if you can't do his S3 while the Choux is still def broken). Straze is great against units you know can't use Snow crystal or have anti crit of any form and when you know for sure who the highest hp unit is (I think for scouting, he can be risky to use if they trap you). But his support is selfish too in that it's only the invulnerability, nothing for the team. You also certainly can't use him against Candy teams unless you bring something like Basar first (or other ignore ER strip) but you run into the risk of being countered. I also think he's harder to build at similar speed + damage as MLilias since you need crit chance as well. I think the reason MLilias feels hard to build is that she's using specialized gear you're not used to roll. But for gvg she doesn't need as much speed in most cases and even if slower she doesn't need ER.. Hwayoung I use with triple torrent with 6k attack and 4.6k hp (or a real helm and 6.5k attack when attacking higher hp units) and actually think is a really complementary unit to MLilias since she gets that CR push and attack buff from her, and can easily kill any Candy or any other unit in that team. But she also can't get speed anywhere near MLilias to do her job.. Two addtional things that MLilias has and the others don't are self attack buff before her S3 and the fact she always crits. I think she brings plenty to gvg when you need to make specific teams (which is most of the time except against known solved defs). I always tend to try to add more specialized kits to my belt for specific situations and she definitely brings a lot more than most recent units. Sorry for my own rant but I really feel like she's misunderstood.. maybe I'll end up being wrong but well :D And yes, I do agree she can't be used against everything and has her niche, but I believe that niche is rather large in the current meta.
Hey vikchun. I hope you are well. I am a guild war player too. I've learned a lot from you, but I can't apply everything because I don't have a lot of mola as a f2p. This kind of unit review really helps people like me a lot. I hope you will continue this kind of honest unit review. 💝💝
I don't understand these videos, everyone hated on Hwaold until she got nerfed, now we get balanced units and everyone thinks they should be op on every gamemode, we have over 300 units in this game, not every new unit can be an allrounder mvp. Lilias is still great in almost every match and has clear counterplay. If there's people not finding success with her then that is on them.
and this is why i said she is no different than evarlyn everyone going bat shit crazy becasue of her animation and looks but at the end of the day her s3 is basically evarlyn's s3 and where is he in the meta? nowhere.
Frankly Im glad for her current niche. Laika Straze has become a mainstay of rta and Milias slots into that role neatly and will be easily available to everyone. My biggest fear was we would have a return of the Hwa meta and Milias was going to warp everything (with buffed mlKen on the horizon). Gwar and arena are my main modes and I'm glad that I'm not being pressured to +15 and build a new must-have unit. I get why some players are upset but I also care more about the long term health of the game. The real winner as far as arena/gwar is concerned will be BBK with the new artifact. I don't hate rant videos, they can be cathartic and fun, but I hope it doesn't become too common on your channel. I think the E7 community is a bit overstocked on negativity. I like your content, it's helped me improve at the game and I look forward to your next video.
thank you for the feedback - it's definitely not my type of video usually (as you know) but I hope you understand given the points I mentioned on why it frustrated me haha (20 arena tests, having egregious gear to be relevant, not useable in GW at my level whatsoever, etc) I'll probably stay away from hard rant videos unless there is a lot of editing/memes to make it fun. We'll see!
I disagree, these vids are important because he's very knowledgeable and can provide a diff perspective. He doesn't clickbait or waste our time. Tbh I'm glad he's calling out the poor design disparity
hwayoung exists but not in a useable state :D in order for her to do what she did before you need her on 3k hp, some1 looks at her and she's dead, also after she s3s shes just a paperweight at that point, i feel like midnight lilias is 100 times better than hwayoung now. Not only midnight lilias can kill a tank, she attack buffs every1 after and cr pushes the entire team, i think she's meant to be an opener not a 220 speed hero. None of the units you listed that "do her job" can be built 280 speed and still kill tanks :D without an attack buffer Also here's a problem with straze, you have no control who he kills, its always the person with the highest max hp, what if the person you want dead first is not the person with the highest hp but still an omega tank? Like i used to use straze but then i found it to be super unreliable when you attack blind, you dont really know who has the highest hp, what if its a knight on holy sac or a knight that will get revived by destina on a follow up turn, you know what i mean?
If she's built as an opener - she won't have enough damage but I could see a use case for that - but then why not just use ran/zio/lua/clilias cleaves instead? - they offer more utility in the draft - they can pivot into standard/high tempo not full cleave (maybe except ran) My mention of Hwayoung is strictly from a GW perspective where it's a controlled environment so I do disagree in some regard - but for RTA? Oh 100% agree, you can't use her in RTA for damn sure. I'm not arguing anything related to her release for RTA. Appreciate the feedback though xFlow :)
@vikchun at 280 speed she can still pop a 25k hp lrk :D if she can't kill 30k hp omega tank she's going to cripple it so hard it will die to any follow up
I really wanted her to be that new pre-nerf Hwayoung but I guess not, the full team attack buff and push is nice but sometimes very unreliable because some peoples characters, especially bruisers that are built below 26k. Characters such as Candy, Senya, Brieg, Dlilibet, Lermia, Alencia, and the list would probably go on for a bit. If you were to S3 into any of these characters you would be dealing NEGATIVE DAMAGE and wouldn't even get the full team attack buff and push. She really just doesn't have the damage to utilize her kit effectively. And plus we already have a character that deals with high HP units that kills consistently even through mitigation and damage share, we have Straze who can be built as an opener aswell and is far more effective at being a one shotter, not needing all those conditions that Midlias has. (Saw a comment, yes I am calling her that because she is MID.)
you really hit the nail for me with this video, She's just 2 gear intensive for nothing new or better (at least speed - torrent build, I have 0 counter gear without any defensive stats to try) she was very underwhelming for me as well, thankfully I got very lucky on her banner.
Hey vik, Good video and interesting perspective on the subject matter at hand. Was really interesting to hear how the thought process goes for GvG players and different roles like scouts and followup atks. The topic I want to start a conversation on is this misconception that in order to be a counter to a unit, one must be able to one shot said unit or it's not really a counter. I think that's the biggest damage hwa's done to the community. Now anytime a unit doesn't one shot a meta unit, they're considered not a counter. To me, I still feel like most of the time lilias will be able to one shot the tank in front of a landy and open up paths to a bunch of ST nukers (avoiding elbris as much as possible) and then able to guarantee closing out a landy in 2x S1s. So I still think she's very much a counter, just with less instant gratification. Let me know what you think. Again, great video. I learned a lot.
I 100% agree with your statement. Tbh, I already knew that based on her damage ratios (the requirements of 16k HP difference) meant ML Landy was going to survive her S3. However, your point about Hwayoung conditioning the community hit home. The timing of the hero release makes people including myself forget she's not released to kill ML Landy but to deal with the surrounding units, the LRKs, Arowells of the world. All in all, she's a solid unit who does her job REALLY WELL. Just as a scouter for Talentless, it disappoints me most that I won't be able to rely on her outside of guarantee critting units like Choux, Luna, Snow Crystal + ML Landy passives, etc. Anyways, you'll still me forcing this shit tomorrow night for content. Appreciate you coming by bro and thanks for letting me use your clips
Hmmm. I pitied her earlier on. The gear requirements dont sound fun at all lol but hey man I made this account purely to get lua from the 5* ticket(total views event), so its a futureproof thing for me. Very informative as always Vik mate
I think I was the only one who had the idea to use Glili as a bridge+nuke sort of unit lmao. So what I theorized was that you go like 270-280 speed. So same sort of speed as a closer Charles. You atk their tank. You push your entire team and glili herself gets 50% cr pushed. This way she basically functions as a closer Charles who can *almost* kill tanks. Sets up your team. And cycles back fairly quickly whilst also not being cucked by aola. This probably doesn't do anything gw wise. But I think this could be something interesting to try out in rta. At least from my perspective.
definitely try that build out - but like @LucosDiCampos mentioned, the damage from her would be quite insignificant but hey, if it works I'm open to changing my mind
I find that "Galias" could've been a better unit if her dmg wasn't so reliant on penetration, she has the equivalent dmg of a Lvl30 ungeared unit to anything that isn't high hp, but it's not like she's completely unusable either. I actually found a good use for her S1 in Arena for killing Candy, it goes with the usual Ran + Jack'O combo and then a Galias S1 to deal the dmg she should be dealing on S3, then if there's anything that she can oneshot with S3, I can use that. It's by far the only use for her that could possibly be good, specially because the gearing for this is basically just scrap gear from cleave gear. Right now I'm farming Caides to see if I can get a 3-Torrent or 2-Torrent 1-Pen in hopes that she can get a closer gap to one shot. I also never really farmed Caides so I guess it's a good time to just get Torrent gear in general
i think there is 3 things he is missing .... watcher shuri, Straze, they need setup most of the time ...can't one shot by themselves, in case with straze cant select your target. also with milias she can setup the rest of the team with s2
she does pretty well in arena based off my experiences. clilias opens, now she has atk buff and vigor to one shot or close to one shotting a tank even if it's not 16k difference. green cidd with atk and vigor buff should be able to finish off the tank. green cidd gets another turn with vigor, atk buff, and speed buff + wind rider = deletes a unit. watcher gets rid of another.
Nah the scaling ramp up is garbo, at 10k diff in hp, the pen is so negligible that you barely reach half a 18k hp Mandy dealing like 8k but then when the hp diff is about 13k then you start to ramp up high dealing about 16k on a 21k hp unit, it's wonky as hell and makes her super niche. She won't even dent most Karinas coz their hp isnt as high.
@@JNoel-zx8xb its not her job to kill landys and karinas my guy. she one shots arowells and other tanks while cr pushing + atk buff your 2 other dps units to deal with candy + karina.
Even worse, Schuri have skill null after S3, Straze have Invul all together, Ludwig too while she has a damage reduction that definitely is good but surviving 3 hits is good and all but ML Landy will hit two of those 3 without even having her turn if she counters.
I'm not sure what you mean. You don't mention that those units (while great and I use them a lot) all have "selfish" additional effects to their S3, all 3 are just giving themselves self mitigation. If we only talk about self mitigation, MLilias actually has better mitigation than Watcher (she actually needs at least 3 hits to die if there is no damage sharing / ice crystal procs), and she can self heal a lot on S1, which makes her very resilient. But the good thing is unlike these other units you mentioned (and again, I use Ludwig almost every gvg, the others a bit less but I do), she also pushes your whole team and gives them attack buff. And there's that small detail that she also can't fail to crit, so Candy's allies aren't protected, snow crystal doesn't matter, Senya and Candy easily die to follow up S1,... Also, imho, she needs specialized gear that you're not used to roll, but she's not that hard to build, especially for gvg where she doesn't need as much speed usually.
Rimuru counters her so hard its embarassing, too many meta units do in fact even in RTA she cant do much against karina, senya, ml land, peira, ran, clilias, zio, aol and so many more Her s2 being not being unremovable is a huge weakness, all these openers just say no to her and good lucking outspeeding them and having enough dmg to kill tanks
I’m just happy for her artifact. I’ve been building BBK but having a hard time keeping her damage up while having enough ER, hopefully this new artifact will solve my problems :) (I know she’s not super relevant either, I just like her)
I can definitely see your frustration but I guess the main thing to take from it is that it's kind of not fair to compare her to ML units as they are more of a Pay to Pull tier while Lilias is a free to pull if you build your resources and can just pity if needed. Especially when it comes to units like Straze. Yes, Hawyoung exists, but I feel they build slightly different and have different element. So, for people who don't have a Tank Killer for units like A.Ravi, i think this is a good pick up.
My guildies comes up with Speed+Pen set to make her damage more consistent while still hitting 8.5k hp with 3.6k atk and around 300% CD. That way she can still deal with enemy around 20k threshold. Its not the highest damage you'll see but it can be an alternative build. Or just do the counter set+ eff res set + evasion artifact build one to frustrate people xDD
Your video is nice as always but im more interested in the painting behind your back. Is it made from nacre (mother of pearl)? IIRC your painting is made with a traditional Vietnamese method named "Khảm xà cừ", which usually utilizes nacre. I really like those kind of painting lol
Her design and legs is enough to satisfy me even if her gear is not my thing, i never hard farm torrent so far and till now i only have 1 20+ gear, and its destruct set lol, it seem she's just gonna become my poster girl in lobby for a very long time for now 😢
I was brainstorming what set I want for her since her preview I can't seem to decide which set I want. She has a damage limit buff so I want her fast because based on my experience using units like Seline, if you're slow, your damage limit runs out fast. And her damage limit is a buff so she needs some ER if she want some staying power in RTA because things like Lulucar with no effectiveness whatsoever can potentially strip her. She's probably the hardest unit to build taking the crown from Aria.
Honestly, i build mine and i thought she had decent stats (about 3700 ATK, 310 or something CDMG, 235 speed, with her own arti instead of wind rider, sure, nothing to write home about, but its decent for my usual gear) Come in, hit a 24k HP Aravi, dealt like 9k dmg, it crushed my heart harder than it hit that Aravi then i try to look around and see that people even need to put a low level helmet on her, and honestly that's gotta be the most counterintuitive shit in any progression game
Even Arunka with 6.4k ark can do the job pretty well. Ofc they need to have a barrier, but barriers all over the place atm... she may have to be on Benimarus or have an ark buffer as well. but she’s still easier to build than Lilias. Also, Arunka can just go down the line killing each member of the enemy team with S3 reset. I know the one argument has been “Well Green Lilias gives her team tons of utility.” Which, I guess is helpful, but at the same time it pulls her two directions. I feel like she’s okay atm, she’s on the balanced side of things for sure. I really don’t know how SG could buff her without overturning her and making her the new Hwa. Which is why these tank killer units crack me up, SG wants a counter to bruiser meta so bad, but are deathly afraid of making a new Hwa. So in turn we get shit like this, a unit who is really niche and is outclasses by characters we already have.
I figured she wouldn't exactly be a tank killer which is why I went with a counter and resist set I cant exactly say how effective it is mainly because I dont have her yet but I think s1 just does more damage than her s3 and I'm just purely using her cause I dont have ml bellona and I cant really use ml Khawzu because everyone is just running a LRK, Arowell, OB lulu, Ml landy team so its hard to get a game with him I've tried hasol but the damage the team brings out is to much and even though Midnight Gala isnt that effective but I still wanna crit against anti-crit because we need more units who have "the sucessful hit will always result in a critical hit" I dont have ml ken either none of the decent counters to her at least
That build is untapped potential. I really wonder if the banshee gamers of the world can make that work. I'm shouting out BansheeOP from Europe to prove me right.
I'm curious, is she supposed have more hp or less hp? Is she hwayoung? Can't you use torrent or the 27 piece to gimmick? I don't understand how the ratio works.
less hp - she needs to have 16K HP difference to have 100% penetration against the unit so running a lower level helmet like lvl 27 with 4% atk - makes it easier to hit that 16K HP difference - similar to Hwayoung
I think people focus too much on her trying to one shot Landy, it was all to obvious when the multiplier and conditions got released. She is more than just her s3, her s1 is hitting incredibly high dmg with guaranteed crit and ls and she can't be one shot. Surely someone can be made out of this for gw offense.
Should build her with a level 27 helmet instead. Let’s you hit the 16k difference easier. I’ve found her useful in all pvp content outside arena defense. GW isn’t that hard to use her honestly. Trust me go with level 27 helmet
I think just running 20 arenas and basing it off that isnt enough to conlcude everything. Too bad she doesnt fit your needs but time will tell if she fits in anywhere. The design is top top tier so thats already a big reaspn to pull 😂
In before that guy with the level 50 triple torrent set level 27 blue helmet Hwayoung makes a MG Lilias that can one-shot anything over 15k hp for the memes lmao
She is a way late game unit. Do not build if u dont have her gear and she is harder to build than a good Aria or Belian. If people do build her dont invest in mola if u dont have the perfect stats. Otherwise invest in the ss meta units instead. Not new player or even champion level friendly imo.
I think you completely forgot about the fact that she is basically an opener + atk buff / team push with the ADDITION to potentially one shot tanks. I think you focus waaay to much on the latter. But other than that you make a objectively perfect point. Basically its an addition to the opener line up.. like If you dont want strip + atk buff (peira) you go 1 shot and push / atk buff. Now what one's account needs / wants is subjective.
No the problem is her pen ramp up, units with like 10k hp diff doesn't even get low enough that it would proc her bridging. I didn't want her to simply one shot Mandy's but I expected her to get majority of them low enough to proc it. This just makes her super niche especially in this aggro meta where majority of the units are in mid range hp, not to mention her base spd isn't exactly opener contester.
you do not even talk about rimuru. just him make him extremely hard to pull and like you said 4-5th pick. also the monk teased already for next week lol
I'm kinda glad she doesn't directly counter Candy since we have the MLK buffs coming. I think she's actually more a solution to an early LRK pick since she doesn't require him to be the highest HP like Straze would, and doesn't require the target like ALaika would.
What's dumb coz in lower ranks she hot garbage ppl woth trash builds on tank like 20 arowel will not die so to make her work you need her to be well built and also your opponent needs to be at a sec number of hp and for players without turrent or wild rider has no chance This is really sad coz I saved 600bm for her and got 2 arti and copies of her and she dose nothing for me also she has so much counters almost all the top units counter her it's so sad Tldr shes a whale/high rank unit who needs high investment also gets countered by alot of units
no worries sora, you're eventually going to get better gear + she's still reliable to one-shot tanks if you have her on like attack/destruction set - not to mention, her artifact is really good for ER BBK and other weird builds. don't be discouraged because she still has potential just untapped on your account for now :D
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Hey vikchun. My guildmate mentioned you, so i came here. To be honest, it's been a long time since i stopped paying attention to what other people say about me (i still remember people calling me "powerpoint guy" or "this guy can't even talk" haha) . So, i'm happy, really happy to know that there is still someone who loves me. Your videos are also very helpful for me. I have learned quite a few good (and weird) teams from you lol. Have a good day, really appreciate your kind words
We vietnamese always love you dude, dw about haters
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I also enjoy always watching your vids! Keep it up :) Its cool seeing two of the people I love to watch admire each other!
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Her name fits for us to just call her Midlias with how Mid she is, absolutely in love with how she looks and I think her artifact is pretty decent too
LMAO MIDLIAS
I like this style of video from you. Keep them coming! 10/10 presentation.
thanks gateway!
Good comments and I understand where you're coming from, but I pretty much have the opposite opinion regarding her use in gvg offense.
I won't repeat what Valky said but I agree and think it's definitely part of the reason she seems to be underrated.
The other part is that she brings a lot more value to the team as a whole, unlike the other units you mentioned.
Those units all have self mitigation/protection. Lilias as that same or better mitigation with her passive and also heals herself on S1, but also brings team value like AOE CR push and attack buff which is sometimes really necessary.
I'm going to copy part of another comment I posted to compare.
Ludwig, who I use a LOT, is great against Choux and other ice units but lacks that support to other units, and can be tricky to use when there's anti crit + cleanse in the team (if you can't do his S3 while the Choux is still def broken).
Straze is great against units you know can't use Snow crystal or have anti crit of any form and when you know for sure who the highest hp unit is (I think for scouting, he can be risky to use if they trap you). But his support is selfish too in that it's only the invulnerability, nothing for the team.
You also certainly can't use him against Candy teams unless you bring something like Basar first (or other ignore ER strip) but you run into the risk of being countered.
I also think he's harder to build at similar speed + damage as MLilias since you need crit chance as well.
I think the reason MLilias feels hard to build is that she's using specialized gear you're not used to roll.
But for gvg she doesn't need as much speed in most cases and even if slower she doesn't need ER..
Hwayoung I use with triple torrent with 6k attack and 4.6k hp (or a real helm and 6.5k attack when attacking higher hp units) and actually think is a really complementary unit to MLilias since she gets that CR push and attack buff from her, and can easily kill any Candy or any other unit in that team. But she also can't get speed anywhere near MLilias to do her job..
Two addtional things that MLilias has and the others don't are self attack buff before her S3 and the fact she always crits.
I think she brings plenty to gvg when you need to make specific teams (which is most of the time except against known solved defs).
I always tend to try to add more specialized kits to my belt for specific situations and she definitely brings a lot more than most recent units.
Sorry for my own rant but I really feel like she's misunderstood.. maybe I'll end up being wrong but well :D
And yes, I do agree she can't be used against everything and has her niche, but I believe that niche is rather large in the current meta.
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Hey vikchun. I hope you are well. I am a guild war player too. I've learned a lot from you, but I can't apply everything because I don't have a lot of mola as a f2p. This kind of unit review really helps people like me a lot. I hope you will continue this kind of honest unit review. 💝💝
appreciate the feedback pain!
I don't understand these videos, everyone hated on Hwaold until she got nerfed, now we get balanced units and everyone thinks they should be op on every gamemode, we have over 300 units in this game, not every new unit can be an allrounder mvp. Lilias is still great in almost every match and has clear counterplay. If there's people not finding success with her then that is on them.
and this is why i said she is no different than evarlyn everyone going bat shit crazy becasue of her animation and looks but at the end of the day her s3 is basically evarlyn's s3 and where is he in the meta? nowhere.
agreed LOL
Frankly Im glad for her current niche. Laika Straze has become a mainstay of rta and Milias slots into that role neatly and will be easily available to everyone. My biggest fear was we would have a return of the Hwa meta and Milias was going to warp everything (with buffed mlKen on the horizon). Gwar and arena are my main modes and I'm glad that I'm not being pressured to +15 and build a new must-have unit. I get why some players are upset but I also care more about the long term health of the game.
The real winner as far as arena/gwar is concerned will be BBK with the new artifact.
I don't hate rant videos, they can be cathartic and fun, but I hope it doesn't become too common on your channel. I think the E7 community is a bit overstocked on negativity. I like your content, it's helped me improve at the game and I look forward to your next video.
thank you for the feedback - it's definitely not my type of video usually (as you know) but I hope you understand given the points I mentioned on why it frustrated me haha (20 arena tests, having egregious gear to be relevant, not useable in GW at my level whatsoever, etc)
I'll probably stay away from hard rant videos unless there is a lot of editing/memes to make it fun. We'll see!
I disagree, these vids are important because he's very knowledgeable and can provide a diff perspective. He doesn't clickbait or waste our time. Tbh I'm glad he's calling out the poor design disparity
hwayoung exists but not in a useable state :D in order for her to do what she did before you need her on 3k hp, some1 looks at her and she's dead, also after she s3s shes just a paperweight at that point, i feel like midnight lilias is 100 times better than hwayoung now. Not only midnight lilias can kill a tank, she attack buffs every1 after and cr pushes the entire team, i think she's meant to be an opener not a 220 speed hero. None of the units you listed that "do her job" can be built 280 speed and still kill tanks :D without an attack buffer
Also here's a problem with straze, you have no control who he kills, its always the person with the highest max hp, what if the person you want dead first is not the person with the highest hp but still an omega tank? Like i used to use straze but then i found it to be super unreliable when you attack blind, you dont really know who has the highest hp, what if its a knight on holy sac or a knight that will get revived by destina on a follow up turn, you know what i mean?
I build her as a 260 speed opener. She bring krau/belian/arowell to below 50% and cr push + attack buff my team.
If she's built as an opener - she won't have enough damage but I could see a use case for that - but then why not just use ran/zio/lua/clilias cleaves instead?
- they offer more utility in the draft
- they can pivot into standard/high tempo not full cleave (maybe except ran)
My mention of Hwayoung is strictly from a GW perspective where it's a controlled environment so I do disagree in some regard - but for RTA? Oh 100% agree, you can't use her in RTA for damn sure.
I'm not arguing anything related to her release for RTA.
Appreciate the feedback though xFlow :)
@vikchun at 280 speed she can still pop a 25k hp lrk :D if she can't kill 30k hp omega tank she's going to cripple it so hard it will die to any follow up
I really wanted her to be that new pre-nerf Hwayoung but I guess not, the full team attack buff and push is nice but sometimes very unreliable because some peoples characters, especially bruisers that are built below 26k. Characters such as Candy, Senya, Brieg, Dlilibet, Lermia, Alencia, and the list would probably go on for a bit. If you were to S3 into any of these characters you would be dealing NEGATIVE DAMAGE and wouldn't even get the full team attack buff and push. She really just doesn't have the damage to utilize her kit effectively. And plus we already have a character that deals with high HP units that kills consistently even through mitigation and damage share, we have Straze who can be built as an opener aswell and is far more effective at being a one shotter, not needing all those conditions that Midlias has.
(Saw a comment, yes I am calling her that because she is MID.)
you really hit the nail for me with this video, She's just 2 gear intensive for nothing new or better (at least speed - torrent build, I have 0 counter gear without any defensive stats to try) she was very underwhelming for me as well, thankfully I got very lucky on her banner.
Hey vik,
Good video and interesting perspective on the subject matter at hand.
Was really interesting to hear how the thought process goes for GvG players and different roles like scouts and followup atks.
The topic I want to start a conversation on is this misconception that in order to be a counter to a unit, one must be able to one shot said unit or it's not really a counter. I think that's the biggest damage hwa's done to the community. Now anytime a unit doesn't one shot a meta unit, they're considered not a counter. To me, I still feel like most of the time lilias will be able to one shot the tank in front of a landy and open up paths to a bunch of ST nukers (avoiding elbris as much as possible) and then able to guarantee closing out a landy in 2x S1s. So I still think she's very much a counter, just with less instant gratification. Let me know what you think.
Again, great video. I learned a lot.
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I 100% agree with your statement.
Tbh, I already knew that based on her damage ratios (the requirements of 16k HP difference) meant ML Landy was going to survive her S3.
However, your point about Hwayoung conditioning the community hit home. The timing of the hero release makes people including myself forget she's not released to kill ML Landy but to deal with the surrounding units, the LRKs, Arowells of the world.
All in all, she's a solid unit who does her job REALLY WELL. Just as a scouter for Talentless, it disappoints me most that I won't be able to rely on her outside of guarantee critting units like Choux, Luna, Snow Crystal + ML Landy passives, etc.
Anyways, you'll still me forcing this shit tomorrow night for content. Appreciate you coming by bro and thanks for letting me use your clips
Maybe her utility can pull through
She's very fast for a team CR pusher + atk buffer and off-anchor, kinda like a faster closer/tomoca
I like these rant videos. I think we need more open discussion about this game and not just talk about waifu/husbando angles.
LOL good to know, appreciate the feedback Giga!
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Hmmm. I pitied her earlier on. The gear requirements dont sound fun at all lol but hey man I made this account purely to get lua from the 5* ticket(total views event), so its a futureproof thing for me. Very informative as always Vik mate
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Yeah my expectations were also too high.
I think I was the only one who had the idea to use Glili as a bridge+nuke sort of unit lmao.
So what I theorized was that you go like 270-280 speed. So same sort of speed as a closer Charles. You atk their tank. You push your entire team and glili herself gets 50% cr pushed. This way she basically functions as a closer Charles who can *almost* kill tanks. Sets up your team. And cycles back fairly quickly whilst also not being cucked by aola.
This probably doesn't do anything gw wise. But I think this could be something interesting to try out in rta. At least from my perspective.
I had her at that speed and she becomes very underwhelming damage-wise from her s3
definitely try that build out - but like @LucosDiCampos mentioned, the damage from her would be quite insignificant but hey, if it works I'm open to changing my mind
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I find that "Galias" could've been a better unit if her dmg wasn't so reliant on penetration, she has the equivalent dmg of a Lvl30 ungeared unit to anything that isn't high hp, but it's not like she's completely unusable either.
I actually found a good use for her S1 in Arena for killing Candy, it goes with the usual Ran + Jack'O combo and then a Galias S1 to deal the dmg she should be dealing on S3, then if there's anything that she can oneshot with S3, I can use that.
It's by far the only use for her that could possibly be good, specially because the gearing for this is basically just scrap gear from cleave gear.
Right now I'm farming Caides to see if I can get a 3-Torrent or 2-Torrent 1-Pen in hopes that she can get a closer gap to one shot.
I also never really farmed Caides so I guess it's a good time to just get Torrent gear in general
I'm not ready to talk about Midnight Lilias... It's too soon... The pain is too real...
hahahaha, there are good and bad...
i think there is 3 things he is missing .... watcher shuri, Straze, they need setup most of the time ...can't one shot by themselves, in case with straze cant select your target. also with milias she can setup the rest of the team with s2
she does pretty well in arena based off my experiences. clilias opens, now she has atk buff and vigor to one shot or close to one shotting a tank even if it's not 16k difference. green cidd with atk and vigor buff should be able to finish off the tank. green cidd gets another turn with vigor, atk buff, and speed buff + wind rider = deletes a unit. watcher gets rid of another.
Nah the scaling ramp up is garbo, at 10k diff in hp, the pen is so negligible that you barely reach half a 18k hp Mandy dealing like 8k but then when the hp diff is about 13k then you start to ramp up high dealing about 16k on a 21k hp unit, it's wonky as hell and makes her super niche. She won't even dent most Karinas coz their hp isnt as high.
@@JNoel-zx8xb its not her job to kill landys and karinas my guy. she one shots arowells and other tanks while cr pushing + atk buff your 2 other dps units to deal with candy + karina.
Even worse, Schuri have skill null after S3, Straze have Invul all together, Ludwig too while she has a damage reduction that definitely is good but surviving 3 hits is good and all but ML Landy will hit two of those 3 without even having her turn if she counters.
I'm not sure what you mean. You don't mention that those units (while great and I use them a lot) all have "selfish" additional effects to their S3, all 3 are just giving themselves self mitigation.
If we only talk about self mitigation, MLilias actually has better mitigation than Watcher (she actually needs at least 3 hits to die if there is no damage sharing / ice crystal procs), and she can self heal a lot on S1, which makes her very resilient.
But the good thing is unlike these other units you mentioned (and again, I use Ludwig almost every gvg, the others a bit less but I do), she also pushes your whole team and gives them attack buff.
And there's that small detail that she also can't fail to crit, so Candy's allies aren't protected, snow crystal doesn't matter, Senya and Candy easily die to follow up S1,...
Also, imho, she needs specialized gear that you're not used to roll, but she's not that hard to build, especially for gvg where she doesn't need as much speed usually.
Rimuru counters her so hard its embarassing, too many meta units do in fact even in RTA she cant do much against
karina, senya, ml land, peira, ran, clilias, zio, aol and so many more
Her s2 being not being unremovable is a huge weakness, all these openers just say no to her and good lucking outspeeding them and having enough dmg to kill tanks
that's a really good point! I never even considered Rimuru but maybe cause it was getting past my bedtime haha
I’m just happy for her artifact. I’ve been building BBK but having a hard time keeping her damage up while having enough ER, hopefully this new artifact will solve my problems :) (I know she’s not super relevant either, I just like her)
ER BBK is such a fun project - I spent like a good ~80k mats on her but I wouldn't change a thing - I love her build
I can definitely see your frustration but I guess the main thing to take from it is that it's kind of not fair to compare her to ML units as they are more of a Pay to Pull tier while Lilias is a free to pull if you build your resources and can just pity if needed. Especially when it comes to units like Straze. Yes, Hawyoung exists, but I feel they build slightly different and have different element. So, for people who don't have a Tank Killer for units like A.Ravi, i think this is a good pick up.
My guildies comes up with Speed+Pen set to make her damage more consistent while still hitting 8.5k hp with 3.6k atk and around 300% CD. That way she can still deal with enemy around 20k threshold. Its not the highest damage you'll see but it can be an alternative build.
Or just do the counter set+ eff res set + evasion artifact build one to frustrate people xDD
I think she has a lot of different builds paths for RTA - we'll have to wait and see how things turn out
The unit should not have a special buff that can be dispelled.
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@@vikchun yeah i paused your video weirdly and suddenly see it lmao
Great analysis very helpful thank you. So is her Arti just a buff for Kayron then?
ER Kayron or ER BBK yeah
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Her design and legs is enough to satisfy me even if her gear is not my thing, i never hard farm torrent so far and till now i only have 1 20+ gear, and its destruct set lol, it seem she's just gonna become my poster girl in lobby for a very long time for now 😢
My rolls failed, but i just need like 40 more to pity. Kinda sad to hear shes wonky but i hope to use her as a tank buster in my casual gw adventures.
within due time, you'll get her!
I was brainstorming what set I want for her since her preview I can't seem to decide which set I want. She has a damage limit buff so I want her fast because based on my experience using units like Seline, if you're slow, your damage limit runs out fast. And her damage limit is a buff so she needs some ER if she want some staying power in RTA because things like Lulucar with no effectiveness whatsoever can potentially strip her. She's probably the hardest unit to build taking the crown from Aria.
Never has smilegate said that Lilias was a counter to Candy tho. People just assumed.
Honestly, i build mine and i thought she had decent stats (about 3700 ATK, 310 or something CDMG, 235 speed, with her own arti instead of wind rider, sure, nothing to write home about, but its decent for my usual gear)
Come in, hit a 24k HP Aravi, dealt like 9k dmg, it crushed my heart harder than it hit that Aravi
then i try to look around and see that people even need to put a low level helmet on her, and honestly that's gotta be the most counterintuitive shit in any progression game
I've noticed I don't quite have the gear, always missing 20 speed or having way too much crit
it's a start! something to improve on over time for sure
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Don't worry we will get 2 more units to deal with Candy....
Even Arunka with 6.4k ark can do the job pretty well. Ofc they need to have a barrier, but barriers all over the place atm... she may have to be on Benimarus or have an ark buffer as well. but she’s still easier to build than Lilias. Also, Arunka can just go down the line killing each member of the enemy team with S3 reset. I know the one argument has been “Well Green Lilias gives her team tons of utility.” Which, I guess is helpful, but at the same time it pulls her two directions. I feel like she’s okay atm, she’s on the balanced side of things for sure. I really don’t know how SG could buff her without overturning her and making her the new Hwa. Which is why these tank killer units crack me up, SG wants a counter to bruiser meta so bad, but are deathly afraid of making a new Hwa. So in turn we get shit like this, a unit who is really niche and is outclasses by characters we already have.
I figured she wouldn't exactly be a tank killer which is why I went with a counter and resist set I cant exactly say how effective it is mainly because I dont have her yet but I think s1 just does more damage than her s3 and I'm just purely using her cause I dont have ml bellona and I cant really use ml Khawzu because everyone is just running a LRK, Arowell, OB lulu, Ml landy team so its hard to get a game with him I've tried hasol but the damage the team brings out is to much and even though Midnight Gala isnt that effective but I still wanna crit against anti-crit because we need more units who have "the sucessful hit will always result in a critical hit" I dont have ml ken either none of the decent counters to her at least
That build is untapped potential. I really wonder if the banshee gamers of the world can make that work.
I'm shouting out BansheeOP from Europe to prove me right.
I'm curious, is she supposed have more hp or less hp? Is she hwayoung? Can't you use torrent or the 27 piece to gimmick?
I don't understand how the ratio works.
less hp - she needs to have 16K HP difference to have 100% penetration against the unit
so running a lower level helmet like lvl 27 with 4% atk - makes it easier to hit that 16K HP difference - similar to Hwayoung
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It always sucks when a unit you've been waiting for doesn't suit your needs :(
Hopefully I can get to use her, her gear reqs are hard
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Is Slilk a good replacement for Cerise in light lv3 ?
Maybe? Not having dual attack seems kinda rough though - you could try Kitty Clarissa?
@vikchun OK, thanks
dam, i woke up and I thought she was the ml landy killer 🤣
sadly not
I think people focus too much on her trying to one shot Landy, it was all to obvious when the multiplier and conditions got released. She is more than just her s3, her s1 is hitting incredibly high dmg with guaranteed crit and ls and she can't be one shot. Surely someone can be made out of this for gw offense.
you know, I trashed on her being bad in GW but you know friday I'm gonna run it HAHAHA
So did I kinda wasted my 600 bookmarks
not wasted! her design is so nice
@@vikchun I mean even if she is meh she's waifu. I honestly really like her(as a queen Lilias simp)
But on a meta scale where will she be put on?
Maybe because milias supposed to be an opener ?
Okay, I hear you... but consider the thighs.
Should build her with a level 27 helmet instead. Let’s you hit the 16k difference easier. I’ve found her useful in all pvp content outside arena defense. GW isn’t that hard to use her honestly. Trust me go with level 27 helmet
I think just running 20 arenas and basing it off that isnt enough to conlcude everything. Too bad she doesnt fit your needs but time will tell if she fits in anywhere. The design is top top tier so thats already a big reaspn to pull 😂
Even if she is not THAT great for some stuff I'd still recommend to try and get her, since she is limited and can be buffed in the future...
1:44 i think you put the wrong sign for the hp
In before that guy with the level 50 triple torrent set level 27 blue helmet Hwayoung makes a MG Lilias that can one-shot anything over 15k hp for the memes lmao
that would be a very unique build indeed
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She is a way late game unit. Do not build if u dont have her gear and she is harder to build than a good Aria or Belian. If people do build her dont invest in mola if u dont have the perfect stats. Otherwise invest in the ss meta units instead. Not new player or even champion level friendly imo.
agreed
Wait.. Can't she shot ML Landy?
She can twice over. Absolutely busted lol.
no she cant, ml landy doesnt have enough hp normally to grant her full pen and u wont even get close through mitigation
She can't because she doesn't have high enough HP to achieve full penetration vs ML Landy
I want to see some gameplay against ML Landy. Can she one-shot ML Landy?
she barely can, usualy let her at 1-3k hps
the candy are rarely above 20h hps so you dont have a bit enough hp diff to one shot her
Thanks. This is very helpful.@@ValentinD-nt3id
I think you completely forgot about the fact that she is basically an opener + atk buff / team push with the ADDITION to potentially one shot tanks. I think you focus waaay to much on the latter. But other than that you make a objectively perfect point.
Basically its an addition to the opener line up.. like If you dont want strip + atk buff (peira) you go 1 shot and push / atk buff. Now what one's account needs / wants is subjective.
No the problem is her pen ramp up, units with like 10k hp diff doesn't even get low enough that it would proc her bridging. I didn't want her to simply one shot Mandy's but I expected her to get majority of them low enough to proc it. This just makes her super niche especially in this aggro meta where majority of the units are in mid range hp, not to mention her base spd isn't exactly opener contester.
Calling her an opener is weirdchamp, good luck making opener speed gala lilias who can do enough dmg to proc her thing. At best she can be a bridge.
you do not even talk about rimuru. just him make him extremely hard to pull and like you said 4-5th pick. also the monk teased already for next week lol
I'm really sorry but she' helps my account since my gear is just not good😔
Well i ignored advice and pulled her lol😂
shes limited so its a good idea to pull!
Real dumb question what torrent helm? Lol
Torrent comes from Caides
I'm kinda glad she doesn't directly counter Candy since we have the MLK buffs coming. I think she's actually more a solution to an early LRK pick since she doesn't require him to be the highest HP like Straze would, and doesn't require the target like ALaika would.
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sounds good!
Well my favorite units are usually slap-on-any-gear-and-voila-they-work kinda units so I already know she’s not for me haha
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bring back the old hwayoung
ok hell no weCANT
I am so sad I have no bookmarks or skystones to pull for her right now. Pray for me vik damn
Love the valid rant though, and it makes sense. I guess I’ll likely still just get her since she’s limited. Thanks for the tips vik!
Thanks panda! Defs pull for her - I edited the "skip" part to clarify lol
the point is that she always crits. try all your mentioned heroes vs anti crit buff like wschuri or straze
thanks general!
Not my problem, if she deals with Candi its all good, i will pick her 1º pick anyway.
She can't one shot her and she is weak to counters if candi salvo
Do you think She would get a buff ,as she is a limited unit?
highly unlikely
What's dumb coz in lower ranks she hot garbage ppl woth trash builds on tank like 20 arowel will not die so to make her work you need her to be well built and also your opponent needs to be at a sec number of hp and for players without turrent or wild rider has no chance
This is really sad coz I saved 600bm for her and got 2 arti and copies of her and she dose nothing for me also she has so much counters almost all the top units counter her it's so sad
Tldr shes a whale/high rank unit who needs high investment also gets countered by alot of units
no worries sora, you're eventually going to get better gear + she's still reliable to one-shot tanks if you have her on like attack/destruction set - not to mention, her artifact is really good for ER BBK and other weird builds.
don't be discouraged because she still has potential just untapped on your account for now :D
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She's very good