Why are DBFZ Tournaments Being Shut Down?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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I take a quick look at who and why multiple Dragonball Fighterz tournaments are being shut down. 
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They got angry that Kazunoko beat everyone with Yamcha. HE'S BREAKING CANON AND THEY CAN'T ALLOW THEM
Lmao
Did they actually?? Are you kidding me
Yamcha is Top Tier in recent patch,..u can see him everywhere online and tourney
Heh. That's Kazunoko all right. Known for breaking things. :3
@@NeightrixPrime facts lol
Good luck selling Season 2 like this, grandpa.
MrSTVR honestly there are enough casuals to where they’d probably be able to comfortably sell the dlc and make a pretty penny of it tbh. This isn’t
SFV where they need the FGC to succeed, DB as a franchise actually has the potential to expand pass that and even if I don’t like it, they have a very high chance of continuing bullshit like this.
It still will. Cause it's Dragon Ball.
@@Awesomemt2018 Ewwww... Still need to pay money to buy season 2... I had sfv season 1 to 3 not paying any additional cent
@JamRock Bless what? It's popular. End of story.
JamRock Bless I agree, DBFZ will still sell like hot cakes. I don’t understand this mentality that if the FGC boycotts a huge fighting game with a very popular IP like Dragonball, that it’s over for the game. The FGC was and is still very irrelevant and tiny compared to the overall sales of DBFZ. The huge majority of sales are made up of casuals and that won’t change anytime soon.
Rich old people being rich old people I suspect. It's all about the money. Always is.
They didnt become rich being nice.
@@dantevic But you do get poor being greedy
@@puchimausu you do. I know some of the most greedy rich people an they have no sign of getting poor at all.
@@dantevic You don't know rich people personally lol
@@SomersBugtopia i do but there are two kinds of rich. Own your own company rich an have a great job rich
Toei needs to chill out, every company should take a cue from SEGA and just let the fans do what they want, it helps your reputation even if it ruins the reputation of the community.
Too bad Toei Animation is getting greedy at the worst possible time, especially when they geoblocked their official online store to be Japan-ONLY.
Never mind the fact the Digimon fanbase suffered thru their greed, the moment they moved the budget, writers, animators, and staff to Dragon Ball Super, yet Digimon Adventure tri. BADLY NEEDED those.
It sucks the overall Dragonball fanbase is suffering from Toei's greed for higher fees for rights and lust towards it, despite the fact Toei received the anime rights for Digimon as compensation for pre-merger Bandai, getting the exclusive toy and videogame rights for Dragonball since the 1980s.
If Toei is serious about a quick billion yen, they should sell the Digimon anime rights back to its IP owner, Bandai Namco. Pre-merger Bandai already owns Digimon since 1997.
Toei was behind for the japanese spiderman tv show
@@phantomgamer4463
Thanks for the info dump, but let's talk about the fact Toei is already at the point they are about to anger a longtime business partner in Bandai Namco.
In addition, Toei Animation also did the anime adaptation for Xenosaga, another Bandai Namco IP.
Congrats on the partnership. I subscribed to you and can't wait to see what other videos you will be making 😀👍
You are wrong, This is exactly why i´m in the channel for, gaming news with a nice point of view.
Glad that you are making money from this /o/
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@@orateusdijin6557 o_O?
@@kamatariedgar3603 I'm tryin to figure out wat u mean.
Truly the darkest timeline...
Toei is pathetic, Team Four Star helped keep DB fans still interested in the product during a time frame where no new content except for games were out... Now this. I'm not even a big fan of the game yet but I can see how petty this is
@Johnny Revenue Many old cartoons are still loved somewhat today, are you aware of the definition of nostalgia? And the fact that things like the Dragonball franchise are still reeling in new people as it is. If you are indeed trolling, then you are terrible at it.
@Johnny Revenue the official series can end but let fans keep the spirit going, toei is going against that
It's the only reason I watched nice job man
Do not compare it to melee. Back then Nintendo was strongly against tournament for their *party* game. Let alone from one they can't get money from(instead of brawl). FighterZ was designed as a Vs fighting game. Nintendo's reasoning for not allowing ssbm can not be applied to dbfz
So they don’t want their game which is based on an anime that has had multiple world martial arts tournaments in fighting game tournaments? Hmmmm
OmegaMercenary Ikr it’s dumb
Not to mention all these people coming together to celebrate their franchise and they want to essentially punish them for it.
NotaBumblebee it’s funny cause I just recently got back into fighting games and was thinking of playing fighterZ alongside soul calibur but at this point idk if I even wanna support the game because of toei
from what I understand that has to do with lot of people playing it but it's not generating sales that they see for their game so they get mad but it's not costing them money I mean everyone that plays the game well enough to enter the tournament Odin's it or they're not going to do anything in the tournament
I was literally about to purchase the game on steam (i saw the sale) then saw this video....
Toei being Toei, as usual.
Sueshia and Namco Bandai* Toei only owns the Anime, no te videogames
Owning The IP gives you more sway than owning the game
BlitzkriegOmega Except Toei doesn't have enough power to influence the state of the game (even in their financials, they only get a smaller cut compared to Shueisha, the major rights owner, and Bandai Namco).
Toei can pull anything under the IP from tournament.
Mr Read No, Toei can not, and I just explained why. Think of it as this: Shueisha can easily strip away Toei's rights to soley animate Dragon Ball (which is all Toei has control over), or Bandai Namco's right to produce and distribute Dragon Ball video games and toys.
Shueisha owns Shonen Jump and Viz Media properties in every aspect.
Watching fighting games just makes me want to buy and play them.
Fighters are not story games they are game-play games.
That, and you could argue that streams are just free ads for the game. There are people that don't even know the game exists and people that barely heard of it. It's just a dick move by Toei.
Uh yeah I honestly bought Dragon ball fighterz for the story mode and some fun later. Love the story in it. Don't assume everyone bought the game for online play
@RaineTCG If you suck after months of playing even with guides and help from players then you're not putting in the right amount of effort.
Honestly it doesn't take long to understand fundamentals and how fighters work.
Fighting games can have good stories, though.
@@queenbeeremedy6993 But its not what most people buy them for.
These old CEOs need to be replaced with newer generation CEOs already, at least in the entertainment industry. They're so out of touch it's baffling how they can still function as the leader of a large corporation
NinjaBryden unfortunately, there is jo telling what any new CEO might do either. The main problem is that many of these companies are using tactics to just have full control of their “product”. By doing so, they will be always on top of events and such that they can profit from. Think of it like RUclips’s broken copyright system. Creators of their “product”(be it music, video, or any thpe of media) may come after your video, even if the footage of their “property” is placed for even half of a second. Why? Cuz they want to profit from it. That is my opinion at least.
@@RickRodGaming Nah it makes sense. Extremely scummy, but makes sense
NinjaBryden from a business stand point, yes. And yeah, it is scummy as hell. Unfortunately, all we can do is suck it up,m :(
NinjaBryden yea... bungie needs a word with you or EA
As long as the even older share olders are going to trust them they are not going anywhere. I mean, the dear 100 years old duke Helmut VonLickëndickën isn't going to trust those 50 something brats... they want mature people handling their investments.
Lol, typical Japanese corporate execs not understanding all this newfangled internet nonsense. Not at all surprised it was them and Nintendo.
AirLancer same, I see a trend happening here...
I mean, there's no indication that Nintendo have done anything as far as I can see. Ultimate gets played at tournaments. It's probably just too soon for it to hit the majors. Nintendo has supported Smash at tournaments for a while now.
At least Nintendo listened to fucking reason and the eventually made their own tournaments.
Nintendo is a slow, but they eventually catch up, hence why I'm not all that hard on them.
@@eddster1987 Nintendo done something before (relating to old fuck mentality). They blocked RUclips creator's from their own games and Mario stuff.
just play the better game: Shrek Super Slam
Shrek Super Slam for EVO 2019 baybee
Ah, I see Kyle Hyde is a man of culture as well. Now if only Cing still existed and we could finish the Hotel Dusk story with a third game...😥
better game: dbz budokai 3
Imagine lmao.
Dude it would be hype as fuck tho not even joking
I really though with DBFZ and Smash Ultimate the FGC could go to the next level, but now I feel the top games are being killed by the people who benefit from their success the most.
Smash ultimate will most likely still live at least I hope so
@@sharkdudeshow9920 I'm just worried because Ultimate was pulled from Evo Japan and Nintendo already has a history of this kind of shit.
> Smash
> The FGC
Pick one.
And no, DBFZ has been losing steam ever since EVO ended and both Street Fighter V and Tekken 7 have outdone it competitively, entrants and viewer wise. The FGC won't lose anything from the death of "Marvel for Toddlers".
@@Luca-sl7tb You everything wrong with the FGC personified holy shit
@@Phoenix-pb4sm The Smash community and the FGC are two separate things, that's a plain fact.
DBFZ is also worthless trash and brought more harm than good to the scene. If it dies I'll be very happy, and that too is a fact.
Namco bandai: let's make the best fighting game ever.
Toei: Do it with Dragon ball
Arc Sys: Count me In!
Toei: Dragon ball fighterz will be the best competitive fighting game ever and everyone will want to play this!
After the game is done.
Toei: Let's Shut down any participation of OUR GAME from any tournament.....
GENIUS!!!!!
Sueshia* Toei only owns the Anime.
Don't worry, DBFZ has always been a crappy competitive game anyway. The FGC has its own superior historic franchises.
@@Luca-sl7tb Don't tell me you are talking about street fighter V because that would be the best joke ever!
Namco made 2 way better fighting games in the same year
And just after dbfz won the best fighting game of 2018 award....
On the other hand companies like SNK are supporting all the tournaments they can, even the smallest one 👍
SNK already knows how it feels to go through hard times, Toei may not and is probably just being super arrogant.
@@rugalbernstein5913 Eh, I give it a couple of months or so, and this whole dragon ball fighterz tournament thing is going to get dropped.
Lol joins RUclips partnership program.
*Toei animation has claimed this video*
Rip. But in all seriousness congrats man!
It's because they didn't have any xmen
Master Pain underrated comment right here
Just a Random Internet Dude definitely underrated
Hell yeah. I liked the gameplay better in mvci, honestly.
tenacious Dad that game didn’t have any X-men
How to kill your game...
And ur IP entirely.
As usual with many companies the higher ups have not got the fingers on the pulse and there is a real detach, the people at ground level are usually more in the know
Dam that sucks
*goes back to playing Tekken*
Ah I wish I could. Sadly 3-D games just aren 't the same since I switched to stick. Not only that but playing Tekken without being able to use Wei (the Bruce Lee/Jacky Chan cop guy) is just not the same. He's one of my favorite fighting game characters of all fighting games! Then again, so is Fei Long (sensing a pattern here) Not only that but I was playing over at a friends so I picked the Capoeira guy and was greeted by words that for me translate directly into "Hello boy. You cannot escape me, in *any* game! Bwahahhahahahhaaa!!!!" That jerk of a friend hadn't told me the Broken Demon was in the game! 0.0
@@mikejonesnoreallylei is in the game get over it
Oh *way* ahead of you on that. I'm very over Tekken. :)
@@mikejonesnoreally okay
"Fighting games die err day, b"
Is being Mahvel cursed now? First Mahvel dies on the back of Disney's assinine demands (and Capcom too let's not let them slide), now the succesfull replacement for it is on the robes and just about done because of another idiotic parent companny.
Gogito4 Capcom was really the problem not really Disney
Solid Snake It’s both companies that messed up MVCI
William Colon true but Disney didn’t really care about mvci. Capcom rushed the game so much that even with X-men the game would have been rushed
Solid Snake But even so, I bet you that Disney told Capcom to focus their Marvel cast strictly on the MCU because of the then beef they had with Fox, as to not give them any attention, which in my opinion is BS, but the damage had already been done. I would’ve preferred if they waited another decade after MVC3 to release a 4th game, probably right after the Disney-Fox merger was complete,
Even if MDisney was pushing for movie properties alone, MVCI doesn't get an excuse.
People obsess over X-men and how Disney screwed the fans, but people forget how awful and boring the capcom side was. Firebrand of all things make a return? really?
first, congrats on the partnership!
second, why even have the game made if they dont want people hosting tournaments? its a fighting game for gods sake.
alex they most likely didn't expect it to do as well as it did. It's not like the fgc pulls league numbers, so seeing it pull numbers over SF who created the fgc shocked them.
It's like comparing how anal marvel became once Disney bought it and avengers made bank.
because they expect to be paid for the tournaments happening without running them or sponsoring them themselves , so they put a price on it, it's fucking dumb but it is what it is, they're trying to cash in which they have a right to do but they're going about it in the dumbest way
Nice avatar
Shit, no Smash Ultimate in EVO either?
Hopefully that changes over the course of 2019.
EVO Japan
It's probably because they want to promote their stupid japan only smash league with items and final smash meter on. They probably have all stages legal, what a joke.
Congrats on the partnership deal! Well deserved.
That’s crazy,you can’t do what you want with an item you purchased. Imagine the auto industry stopping race car tournaments because is shows cars that they made which you bought.
Do you really feel that's a fair analogy Imozart? If so, I'm going to go have my classic Edsel read me the Chronicles of Narnia after chewing it out for being a slacker.... :3
You actually aren't that far off.. many tractor companies have built software directly into their machines that stops farmers from being able to fix it themselves. A black market of jailbroken tractor software has opened up, no joke
Look up "right to repair" laws
Personally if I can't compete then I'm not going to play the game anymore and I doubt I'm alone on that, Toei are shooting themselves in the foot
They don't make see a dime from any tournaments held outside Japan. So no, they aren't shooting themselves; in fact, they are increasing their profits. If it kills the game, then they move on to something else.
NineZeroTwo
It’s still not good for their PR, which COULD affect profits.
Quickly skimming through these comments, I was worried that ARC was the ones being greedy. But nah, just Toei, makes sense
Neesh Pines Arcsys produced the game, they've already been compensated and still being compensated. They're honestly good people over there.
@@ghostfrom3s yup, good people who give you 1/3 of the roster at base and make you pay for the rest
Derick Burgos 😂😂😂😂
@@xato-1 Keep that same energy for Capcom who pulled that stunt with SFV and first tried to do that shit with Street Fighter X Tekken 6 years prior.
@@xato-1 ARC doesnt get a say in that, they just developed the game. If you want to see how arc handles DLC look at Guilty Gear. Usually two characters and they're both cheap to buy .
One of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I wish I didn't love DB so much or I'd boycott Toei for life.. Wtf is wrong with everyone these days.
Or boycott tohi for life BECAUSE you love dbz so much
@@Sirax123 I caaaaant, I do not possess the necessary willpower...
NotaBumblebee Same bro
NotaBumblebee probably could just pirate stuff if you don't want to support them.
Slammer Mchammer I already do lol
I swear copyright laws need some sort of update into the modern era. I feel like companies within reason shouldn't be allowed to effect how people enjoy their product as long as it was acquired through sanctioned means. Like purchased at a approved retailer.
i agree. i mean what could possibly happen, a massive crowd sees how awesome the game is and rushes out to buy it? or people stream gameplay on youtube/twitch and people learn that it exists? theyre seriously shooting themselves in the foot with this nonsense
Copyright laws are bullshit in general. They're designed to give distributors the power to control communication.
There's nothing wrong with playing the game and hosting tournaments; that's all completely legal. The problem arises when tournaments bring money into the equation. The issue lies not in the law; it's the community.
I made a fighting game but I don’t want anyone to play it.
let's not to buy jump force, maybe it will give impact on their decision about fighterZ
That's sure to be a part of it.
I was already not buying it. It seems like it has a trash gameplay
Gustavo Henrique its going to be similar to J All Stars and how the Naruto games play. So yeah it’s going to be shit.
Nah, ur just fucking up another games’ chances
@@frostyfrenchtoast THAT'S THE POINT!!!
Whatever keeps sonicfox from being around is good by me, thank you based toei
It is a dark time for team based fighters. Marvel was doomed from the start and now DBFZ is being marred by it's own IP holders on a community level. The worst kind of disrespect
blazblue cross tag battle!
@@AmericanNerdLife what happened to BB? last time i played was like 3 years ago the game was a blast!! i even watched to anime lol.
@@Damian_h BB's still great, tbh lol
A hardcore fighting game that cant be played at tournaments? That's how you kill a game toei. Smash could survive because its smash and even the most casual gamer on the planet can have a passing interest in it. DBF does not have that same appeal. Fighting games are meant to be played in tournaments and in competition. Without that, the game WILL die
lol, there's absolutely nothing hardcore about Autocombo FighterZ.
toei dotn won rights ot the game nacmo dos so so the for toei should not be do jack shit
@@Luca-sl7tb high level play proves that wrong. It's not all auto combos. I dont even play the game and I can appreciate it.
@@Luca-sl7tb If you're stilly playing with autocombos, then you're just bad at the game.
@@Luca-sl7tb There's more to the game than just pressing square all the time. You should try it.
Why is there no fucking backlash from the community!? I don't want to sound aggresive, but dammit. Look at Melee, they gave 0 fucks about what Nintendo told them and now look where they at now! They made an esport from the ground by themselves.
And people think Goku has a chance to get into Smash? ROFL
Disliked because it has nothing to do with Toei Animation. It's Bandai Namco/Shueisha stopping the game from being in tournaments. Toei has nothing to do with the games.
You look like the guy from smosh games!
loved the vid btw
i remember along the same lines, the several flat Omega stages in Smash 4 wii u were not even considered for being allowed at Evo because apparently ....of the music that COULD play in them.
Woh, woh, what's this about?
Something about licensing and the complexity of playing music from multiple composers/franchises/companies was probably too much to deal with sorting out, so Evo disallowed most stages. Ironically, Smash4 was the 1st smash where every stage could be altered into a flat "omega" version specifically so competitive folk could duel while still seeing/hearing visuals & music from multiple franchises. Furthermore, I never really saw these "omega" stages being used in tournaments outside Evo either, but it was likely because of variations in the walls/ledges/dimensions that overcomplicated things for the community anyway.
How are you going to make a competitive fighting game and not want it played in tournaments? Makes no sense.
I understand why they don't like Four Star. Because Four Star may be damaging the look of dbz and they are uploading footage without Toei's permission.
But I don't get why they don't want a competitive fighting game of their own not in tournaments.
Yes, I don't think the comparison with FourStar is fair. It's much worse! They're shooting themselves in the foot.
@@ActionGamerAaron
I don't understand what you mean by comparison.
You think Toei shouldn't had gone after FourStar? They should.
They don't like either because they are not making money off of them. You have to think of it in the way that dbza and tourneys are using their products to make money. I think toei believes that they should be getting a piece of the profits( I kind of agree and kind of don't)
@@remileclerc9627
That is possible.
I think they don't like how their anime is being uploaded and used without their permission. I wouldn't like that If someone did that to my anime.
Well, Four Star creates parodies...which by law, they do not need the permission of the original owner to create & post.
That is fair use.
i bet they are gonna try to run it all in house. they want all the profits from the interest, which THEY already got in sales, but they don't like watching other companies make decisions around their game.
This just makes me remember how a lot of people used to talk how dbfz killed mvci. Now dbfz is killing itself...
They are attacking TFS, but what about MastarMedia whose been plagiarizing Dragonball content/animation for years even now on RUclips?🤔
I think the best thing to do imo is to make small, short and easy to make videos regular and more often while keeping a gap for the big projects to be done well (as always) with no more than 2 weeks of working
I know it's hard but i think this is the best way to become big as fast as possible without lossing quality in the process especially after you have entered the youtube project
Wish you the best of luck👍
" why toei want to stop one of the most succesful video games that a dragon ball franchise has ever seen ? "
" Because of money "
End of the story
Toei literally doesn't want Goku to participate in tournaments, wtf?!
It's things like this that make me believe that franchises like Dragon Ball and Super Smash Bros. need rival franchises that appeal to similar crowds, so that their parent companies are motivated to get their acts together when they start losing revenue to competitors.
Im fine with ArcSys partnering up with new IP owners to make a completely new FGs every year. Most FG fans dont compete for long, and Goku sadly doesnt need the fgc. We needed him to boost the genre past niche status.
In the long run this can actually hurt them.
Wouldn’t this be because of Sueshia or Bandai Namco not Toei *Animation* you know since Sueshia holds the actual IP to the franchise.
Kind of ridiculous you couldn’t even get those simple facts straight first.
Congrats in the partmership.
Also, sad for Dragonball Figtherz, it's cool to see those tournaments, hope Toei see the problems and allows the tournaments.
Sueshia* Toei only owns the Anime, not this game.
@@senseeilikoso821 They still own the DBZ IP. They have a lot of power
NinjaBryden Toei doesn't have as much power compared to Shueisha or even Bandai Namco when it comes to "video games". Blame Shueisha for being stubborn.
@@transformersrocks123 They still own the Dragonball IP tho. Bandai just has publishing rights to it. Toei still has more power overall. Bandai owns the game, but Toei owns the name the game is under, which reigns supreme in the end.
NinjaBryden Close, but it's actually Shueisha that owns the Dragon Ball IP with Bird Studios (Toriyama's company). Shueisha gives the licenses to Toei and Bandai Namco the right to make animated content and video games respectively; it's not the other way around.
I've never seen any of your videos but I appreciate your right to the point informative style of video, showcasing relevant sources, speaking clearly and confidently.
Good video buddy, hope your partnering works out for you !
I love you videos
remember that time when goku was dying from an illness and trunks time travel to provide the medicine that exist from the future...
yeah... i guess no one is safe from corona. Not even a Super Saiyan can survive the power level of a single strand of DNA
Well this game is doomed.
Looks like it ain't toei but fucking shueisha that is doing this. Wow. Evo and other tournaments give free advertising and without the good players behind the game, the game wouldnt look as appealing.
Shueisha owns IP, not Toei. Rhymestyle clarified this.
Yup, many people making that mistake when it's Shueisha that owns that entirely of the Dragon Ball IP across all mediums and them licensing out the animation rights to Toei is basically the only reason Toei is allowed to handle it. So yea, Shueisha are the true owners/overlords of everything Dragon Ball.
@@DeathBringer769 I know this fact won't change a lot of people's minds on the situation, and it shouldnt, but at least they should think about it civilly than getting ready to bash one company.
I don't understand why there's no clarification
Toei does not own Dragonball they have a license from Shueisha to make the anime Shueisha owns Dragonball they are the ones who stopped the tournaments.
That's stupid because the tournament s could have increased Dragonball s popularity.
Yes they do they own all rights to it if shueisha was to leave one day Toei would keep dragonball
L N Toei owns the rights to the anime, not the entire franchise itself. Do your research.
@@solastice445 It's Shueisha that owns that entirely of the Dragon Ball IP across all mediums, and them *licensing out the animation rights to Toei* is basically the only reason Toei is allowed to handle it, a deal which could theoretically be retracted in the future if Shueisha chose to. So yea, Shueisha are the true owners/overlords of everything Dragon Ball.
So the problem lies in streaming? I imagine a company outside of your country can't stop people from getting together to play a game which is what tourneys boil down to
Idk what's with some these Japanese game publishers (or publishers involved with it) want to stop people from having fun with their games. Makes no sense to me....
Thank you sonicfox very cool!
Rise up gamers, capitalism is killing our hobby
Joe Di Sunno Careful. Capitalism isn't perfect. But it's way better than communism. This whole drama is taking place because a bunch of old coperate guys don't understand the internet or the current generation of consumers. They will either see the light when we all start to Boycott Toei or they will be replaced by people who get us.
Afrika Smith that’s where you’re wrong buck-o
Joe Di Sunno Am I wrong about Capitalism or Toei?
Afrika Smith the very fact that you see them as separate issues is wrong. What do you think a corporation is exactly? And why are the most powerful people out of touch? Because it’s the most effective leadership for asserting their dominance on the IP and making more money than all other rights holders. Corporations are always out of touch, you think you can fix that without radically changing capitalism? Ha okay
Joe Di Sunno I wasn't seperating Capitalism and Toei. I just simply stated a fact and added my opinion on Toei. Some people and companies can change if they listen to their critics if they become aware that they are losing their consumers. Their are rich douchebags that do things rash, but they don't always stay in power.
Its probably a matter of interest. The best reason i can come up with is them not wanting anyone else to make money out of their property. So they shut down anything related to their products that wasnt their idea.
DBFZ didn't just die, it was murdered
Thanks for explaining this! I was a bit curious about the details, and you made this really easy to understand.
What the heck Toei, you keep screwing with TFS and now FighterZ?
What do you think bout the rumor mvsci may be relaunch with the name of marvel vs capcom infinite 4?
If it's true, I would be jumping around in my room of excitement.
@@kingdomhearts31000 that makes two of us
Toei entertainment hates gay furries. Plain and simple. They sent a personal FU to Sonic fox
Wut
Uh ok.
I figured they were going to do their own tournament and organize it so they can monetize it
I know this might sound stupid, but you think it has to do with the new dbs movie coming out? Maybe they want people to pay attention to the movie so they can get direct profit than from the video streaming and rights? I dunno just throwing a guess
Miguel Montoya Nah man, it ain’t the movie. That has nothing to do with this.
Not stupid, but only a part of a much divided whole. This is all credit, honor, and as always, color. Green to be precise. :3
It would have the opposite effect. Now people are pissed and not go to the movies and support the movie. Pirating time you know it already.
Pirates are going to pirate anyway, and non-pirates won't. Again, the difference is Honor and Morality. As for DBZF fans, well it makes you wonder why they care so much about a story based on Heroes, really. 0.o
It's possible, but not to imply it's smart.
UPDATE: twitter.com/ToeiAnimation/status/1078009065232449537
Looks like it very well could be Shueisha.
While I'm not going to say Toei wasn't part of it, let's not forget that this game has a monumental dropoff around the same time MVCI was officially declared dead. In fact, its playerbase has been in decline and in general has not been eliciting much hype for awhile. Toei may be blocking them out of tournaments, but that didn't negate the fact that the, BY DESIGN, was meant to be simple and easy to pick up and by result didn't have an incredible amount of depth behind it. After awhile, you're mostly doing the same shit over and over and over again and all the flashiness wears off as its lack of mechanical complexity reared its ugly head.
I'm not shitting on the game for it, but these are naturally the type of fighters that fall off quickly, not just because people get bored of playing it, but it gets boring to watch too.
Toei has its share of the blame, but we can't pretend that this game wasn't already in the process of dying to begin with.
Everyone laughed about it killing Marvel, forgot about it for a little while, dropped the game, and then started asking "Where did the playerbase go?" as if they, too, hadn't left it for dead. Then everyone started mourning the Marvel franchise as if months before they hadn't been parading its corpse in the streets like an achievement.
I’d beg to differ because lythero’s lobby shenanigans in mvc3 has him doing the same thing every single match. And there are a lot more tools to his disposal
As if no fighting game has a drop in player base months after its release lol. MK player base goes through this, Injustass, Street Fighter (yes even during SF4 days, Marvel, Skullgirls (OMEGALUL), and even Guilty Gear/Blazblue. There is no game exempt from that reality. Here we are 4 months after it beat SFV in attendance where the game is going to die not because of the community, but by the dumb corporates. So yeah you’re totally wrong.
Crucillus Thorn yea you definitely pulled this out to ass🤨🤨🤨
Nailed it, mainstream game for mainstream crowds, it's dull, simple and the flashiness can't carry all that dead weight, just too shallow to survive the passing of time, had it's run tho, I'll never forget getting shoved that shitty game into any media I was watching for a good week, of course anyone with a tiny bit of foresight knew it was dead from the start, just grab all the money and get out, it's targeted at people who like db you know? You can't get easier money from dumber people
This is pretty on point for the most part.
Nice click bait, next rename it speculation because there wasn't any proof of your claim
Meh game was only popular for ip anyway.
Pete HrapStick
Nah
@@alfa01spotivo yes cause arcsys spreading them selves way too thin only a matter of time til it breaks like tell tale games
what does ip means
@@jeweerly2319 intellectual property.
@@alfa01spotivo well not like people we're killing to play such games like bbxtb, p4 ultimax ultra suplex hold, unist, or gg rev2.
Maybe mr wiz needs to sneak toei some of his legendary butthash and it'll be good. But for real this is some bs. Pull the collective sticks out of ur butts and let them have a tournament. It's your property and you can do whatever you want with it, but this move is just going to hurt business. People are going to stop buying/using your product and then you file for bankruptcy a few years down the line.
Well it's TOEI, they're likely to be around another 20 years even with bad decisions the whole way there.
Not sure if all the truths are out yet but I'm OK with it not being streamed/played at non official events, etc. if that's will (and right) of the owners of this huge franchise.
The game is what's important to me but it does suck for the pros who's already invested a lot.
It's an extremely scummy thing to do when a lot of people make careers off organizing competitive scenes for these games which only do good, so it makes 0 sense to do something like this
*Wise* words and something aspiring pros (and companies) should consider. Aspiring Pros: Study the history and recent actions of the company who's game you are investing your energy and your life into and most importantly be aware that *most* of them plan very short ("2 years" if you're lucky, DBZ wasn't.) life cycles for them to capitalize on the rising popularity of fighting games and sell their next one. Companies: Be *public* about your commitment to your game. Sure, have life cycles but be aware that you can make just as much money (and attract the top talent) by making your game a *platform.* Please don't *start* with an IP you don't control. Build a great game and *make* those characters an IP. In other words do this Toei/Sushihaha thing in complete *reverse.* If what you are doing is *publicly and obviously* going to support the pros and people we all love watching, then the FCG will support *you.* :)
Is casual friendly should not be in a tournament it isnt tournament material
you sound incredibly professional. like if i just heard this without knowing it was from youtube, i would've thought dbfz was on the news lol
Welp time to go full into Smash ultimate or Street Fighter I guess.
Toei doesn’t have that much power. They only have the rights for DB animation. Bandai has the rights for merch and games, and Shueshia has the rights to the IP itself. So it’s either Bandai or Shueshia that are causing this shitstorm.
Shueisha are the true IP/rights holder for the entire franchise across all entertainment mediums, so it's likely them getting in the way again. I think the Team4Star problems was them as well putting pressure on Toei and making them handle it as well.
Hey DBFZ and SFV players, come to Tekken or Soul Calibur lolz.
2:20 Can’t Toei just ask for some of the profit from tournaments then?
Damn. This is some really grim news. It really makes me rethink the positive good of license based fighting games.
Fuck these abysmal copyrights
Toei is the worst. A while back, when my channel was monetized before the adpocalypse, I did a 40 minutes video which contained a couple of minutes of the Fist of the North Star anime; I immediately received a copyright claim by Toei, saying the video couldn't be monetized, despite half of said fragment being without sound and despite me citing the anime (which is basically publicity for Fist of the North Star). Greedy Toei is greedy, they have been the only ones that I've had such a lame experience with.
I heard such good things about this game then read recently fans were disappointed. Do they know that tournaments sells games? Everyone there bought a copy, tons of watchers who haven't played-potential customers, it sells season passes if a tournament is active.
That's just bad business.
But is it really illegal to run a tournament? You got people sitting down playing legally purchased copies of the game
It seems simple to me. TOEI owns the IP. They see other companies making money from their IP. They don't get a cut they can't use it.
These tournaments make money. Not only for the people holding them, but for twitch and other streaming sites. TOEI has every right to demand a cut. I'm sure these people don't agree, so TOEI pulls threats of a lawsuit.
Let's not all go villainizing TOEI when everyone is after the same thing. MONEY.
Truth
It's not Toei it's Shueisha, Toei just owns the rights to the anime
Its not going to succeed, the FGC will throw a shit fit and fight back like it always does.
Obviously keep up the aggression though, or else they might actually succeed. Im just telling you whats expected to happen.
The game SUCKS IT WAS A STEP BACK. I don't want a fucking 2D game I want Tenkaichi 4 with 500 characters!!!!
Toei is just an animation house, maybe the one we should be looking at is Shueisha (Shonen Jump) as they are the ones who OWN ALL the rights of Dragon Ball as a franchise
1:04 Shueisha* is the actual copyright/IP holder that gets unnecessarily idiotic and is interfering with tournaments here, not Toei which just handles the animation/movie side. People keep conflating the two or flat-out mistakenly stating that Toei owns the full IP when it doesn't. Shueisha is the actual IP owner of the entirety of Dragon Ball. Toei is just licensed (long time licensing partners, but still technically just licensed) by Shueisha to them to handle the animation/movie side. Shueisha has a history of this stuff too. The Team4Star stuff was likely pressure from their Shueisha overlords as well. And I won't deny that big Japanese companies in general these days are often out of touch with their Internet policies, like Nintendo (otherwise unrelated to this) has shown as well. They have a lot of backwards/overly-controlling practices out there in terms of the modern Internet ecosystem.
Tournements.... Literally are free advertisement and promotion for the anime. It cements new and old fans more into your series. And im not going to buy fighterz now that I know toei is doing this.
Toei: now Smash ultimate will be banned from tournaments too!
Nintendo & Sakurai: nah they will keep going Toei
Toei: oh....
Now that everyone can use bukujutsu, it was quickly becoming Z
Such a shame,
I guess dragonball will be an online only game now