What we see here, after a long long wait, is an honest attempt by a political scholar/scientist to understand RSS AS IT IS. That is what makes Vinay Sitapati stand miles ahead of say a Pratap Bhanu Mehta and even Ramchandra Guha. Many congratulations to the author for the straight line narration -- it is like a story.
Advani was from Rich family from Karachi, he learned English before Hindi so he must be liberal and progressive but atal was from poor Brahmin family so he must be "Hindi nationalist" hardliner etc. Wow what a conclusion 👏
Just ordering Half-Lion. Always wanted to learn more about PM PV. We delhites and majority of Indians are still unware of the contributions of PM PV Rao.
There is too much politics in the media , it distorts independent assessment , everyone in media seems to be connected with this or that party, These Poor chaps have sold themselves for some money or convenience!
I haven't seen any author whose explanation on various issues in his/her book is as lucid and intellectualy stimulating as the book itself.. That includes my favorites Ram Guha, Shashi Tharoor and Tavleen Singh.. This is an innate n unique quality of Dr Sitapati clearly visible in both his books. Congratulations🎉🎊🎁 Vinay.. I urge you to write a Comprehensive Indian History post Indira Gandhi!!! Please Sir
@kafir Infidel well that's not all inclusive, include Vivek kaul, raghuram rajan, arundhuti roy, amartya sen, jagdish bhagwati in the list as well (Only in the Indian Non-fiction context. By the way, which intellectual giant do you read?? U don't even have the guts to put out ur real name!! I think ur "sorry" is misplaced
Bukha is not able to control herself from the inner hate she has for the Hindus. When Vinay was explaining the traditional hindu nationalism as a more progressive. She says is allowing him to continue and wants to jump in but Vinay was steadfast to complete his points
A fascinating subject and such an insightful interview! Sad it had to end. Looking forward to reading this wonderful book from an author who truly brings out a deeply thought out perspective, with all the strengths, tensions and paradoxes in this almost unique relationship between Adwaniji and Atalji.
@Little John Although I don't reply to silly comments but I'll make an exception this time. Calling names is for pussies. When you get all that accomplished like one of them, leave me a message and I'll congratulate you too for your good work.
Barkha, you tried to box BJP as upper caste. You fail became you live in the past. Today Hindus are United which "liberals" like you can never come to terms with.
Advani,Vajpayee too were Labelled CommunaL, HiTLER During their times by Liberandus & Media.......Today they r being Praised by the Same & Demonisation is Agnst MODi-SHaH........in Future MODi-SHah will be Praised & Demonisation will be of YOGi-Tejasvi Surya COMBO 😂😂😂
there is a reson, she now understands that the BJP and its politics is here to stay , my educated guess is next 4 general elections , BJP would by 2028 be the biggest political party in india and will have taken some south indian states as well - TN as well as andhra- teh dravidian movementhas lost its steam - she is seeing the writing on the wall
I have some reservations on the opinions of Sitapati. Opinion 1: It's a democratic conspiracy. He is factually wrong. After partition, India had he highest chance of becoming a Hindu Rashtra. The genocide in Noakhali and Punjab could have catapulted Hindu Rashtravad, but it didn't. Independence came with lot of political tiredness. Opinion 2: S P Mukherjee, Savarkar planned it. What nonsense! Bose was a part too. But idea was not to create the background. Basically RSS was, and is a social organisation. It's a later entry into power politics. Opinion 3: In 1970s he cites Assam. Assam was / is a problem with Bangladeshi immigration, changing demographics. Congress utilised them as vote banks, what we see now is a 'repercussion' to those policies. Opinon 4: RSS and all Hindu organisations like Hindu Mahasabha and VHP believe in Akhanda Bharat. They don't agree to 2 nation theory. Sitapati has given a logic that RSS came up with 2 nation theory, which in fact is factually wrong. Timeline to see the cause and effect theory: Khilafat / Caliphate Movement: 1919-1924. Savarkar letter as a response to Caliphate: 1922. Formation of RSS as a counter to Caliphate: 1925. Its clear, the seeds of 2 nation theory which resulted in creation of East and West Pakistan is sowed during the Khilafat movement which Gandhi was not eager to support it in the beginning. I repeat, RSS is a fallout of Congress's appeasement theory and looking into the future of a vote bank, probably learnt from UK's Labour Party. And Congress was formed by a British man. Sitapathi and Barkha Dutt should have taken this into consideration. Advani, Vajpayee were fighting Dynastic politics, against appeasement politics, and now we see the people of India coming to know about it. We are sure lot of fake use of social media will come to the forefront, and informed viewers will continue to do so.
Author Satpathi is intelligent, and honest. He candidly appreciated Barkha's one liner about Modi's ability to transform the audience / voters. Alas Lutein crowd was equally realistic and honest. This includes Barkha and her likes who harps on 2002 till this day !
He has lot of information. But I don't believe Guruji told Vajpayee to breakup with Kaul. Did this sitapathy meet Guruji? Guruji is as modern as traditional.
Some pretty abstract stuff about Hinduism vs Hindu nationalism. 200 years back was there a religion called Hinduism. Even today is Hinduism a religion ? Does Hindu nationalism qualify it as a religion ?
Very articulate professor with very impressive CV (Harvard Law and Princeton PhD, journalist, author). The Modi-Shah Jugalbandi has ridden on 100 years of BJP/RSS disciplined struggle to win a super-majority in the parliament and create a powerful "national" political narrative. The alternative "national" narrative is the Nehruvian ideology, but unfortunately it is dead because it relies on Primogeniture and it was not able to deliver during 40+ years rule - forget about Korea or Asian Tigers, as late as 1980, China's GDP was equal to India's but per capita GDP was lower. If Modi-Shah Jugalbandi delivers in the next 5-10 years (so far it has not), we may be "at the end of history" as far as Indian politics is concerned, but if not, it'll be interesting to see what alternative "national" narrative rises! May be we'll read a different take on BJP by Prof. Sitapati in 15 years' time.
I can give an honest opinion about majority of common non minority citizen,they all know even current so called nationalistic government does not give a damn about anything else than thr political grip,only thing citizens know for sure that they will ensure that when majority gets harassed at least they will object which congress never did. But this stupid divide and rule of current establishment is hurting than benefitting ,India can only be run by uniting than dividing,we never learnt and caused 1947 and we are again on same path .
No Indian liked British rule but nobody protested till 1857, then again it took 90 yrs to get independence from them... thanks to WW2 RSS took 90 yrs to form govt, it will stay for sometime...1st protest already started but will take time to hoist Indian flag in Nagpur.
The anchor barkha dutt runs this show only to give her opinions ,just the time she remembers she is the anchor and journalist and not a historian or an expert in any matter, biased interview every time
Kudos to Barkha for an interesting conversation.But I take strong exception to your unwrranted reference to love jihad as a hype.For every person who thinks it is just a hype there is another who feels it is real.As an objective citizen I feel there is enough evidence to believe it is prevalent.Kindly do an unbiased research before you pronounce your verdict.
Observed “The Print, The wire, NDTV and MOJO tv” channels these days, there is pattern of projecting news with twisted propaganda strategy if you follow these channels for few days. But these guys wasting time and energy. Aam admi least bothered on these nonsense propaganda. Try something new, honest, common people interest and national interest.
For we Lucknowees Atalji is a great PERSON in indian Politics, I say IS because I have still to be overshadowed p ost independence, No reason to compare him with Modiji , Modi is the need of present day India to let it attain it's rightful place in the world he is a Karmyogi a true defender of Mother India
Barkha is wrong in the sense that Atalji did not have the majority like Modiji. If at Atalji’s time, BJP would have the majority, Atalji would have carried out lot more Sangh policies because he was trained by Param Pujya Guruji.
The agent of evil forces of the world Barkha Begum should have been boycotted by this naive. Whom was she backing when PVN was ill treated by his party?
Congratulations🎉🎊Barkha.. Keep up the great work.. Really good interview.. Please convey my message which is in a comment below to Dr Sitapati.. I m his "huge fan"!!
Conversation was brilliant. One question to you barkha, you do make your eyes look so blacky, though it's fully your choice, but try something else. A simple wish of your regular viewer🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
Though I hate Barkha Dutt and consider her as anti- national, I find her way of journalism in Mojo TV much more different. I find this as welcome change as quality of Topics and discussion on Mojo Tv is way better than many news channels. I may disagree, but quality of discussions is very high.
@Swaraj BJP has 37.4% only. If u need in detail click www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/elections/lok-sabha-2019/analysis-highest-ever-national-vote-share-for-the-bjp/article27218550.ece/amp/
One day.... Indian would realize that cause of partition lies in the roots of Hindutva Project from 1920s and the criminal silence of Congress on these majority politics appeasement
M family suffered partition too. But this is the whole point. Look at history over ages. Those who are hating are destroyed; those who forget and live in harmony progress. Hate is not going to educate anyone or make economy grow. Life is not zero sum. Better you BJP people learn it.
Study Bangladesh liberation war,mohpilla massacre, aurangabad riots,marad Massacre, genocides of kashmiri pandits then indians one days will realise cause of partition from before and after independence was due to minority politics led and silence of majority people who are facing the brutality.....
@Swaraj bro main thing is that our own people abuse and betrayed our people that's the reason why majority people is suffering and this led to dominance of minority politics.....and our history praises akbar,Tipu, nizams ,razkars and so called left librandus..
@@rahulpurushothaman7353 you can prove me wrong if you show me the single proven evidence of genocides of kashmiri pandits....You are filled with the propaganda of RSS...... nothing more
It is foolishness to buy the argument that there was appeasement of Muslim community by previous regimes. On the contrary the economic conditions of the Muslims has deteriorated during the past many years. We should admit that we discriminate against Muslims in all walks of life. Actually there should be reservations for Muslims in civil services, judiciary, police etc to the extent of 30 to 40 percent for fair play or a level playing field for them
What we see here, after a long long wait, is an honest attempt by a political scholar/scientist to understand RSS AS IT IS. That is what makes Vinay Sitapati stand miles ahead of say a Pratap Bhanu Mehta and even Ramchandra Guha. Many congratulations to the author for the straight line narration -- it is like a story.
“ I am not a journalist like you... I need facts that are certain.” 🤣🤣🤣
The most civilised obamaesque manner to insult Barkha and her ilk
Yes.touche.translated he says : I can't tell white lies and get away like you
Timing please.
In the future expect something like "BJP before Yogi Adityanand" 🤣🤣🤣
Who is adityanand?
Advani was from Rich family from Karachi, he learned English before Hindi so he must be liberal and progressive but atal was from poor Brahmin family so he must be "Hindi nationalist" hardliner etc.
Wow what a conclusion 👏
A worthy follow up to Dr Sitapati's "Half Lion" which is a superb biography of Prime Minister PV Narasimha Rao.
Just ordering Half-Lion. Always wanted to learn more about PM PV. We delhites and majority of Indians are still unware of the contributions of PM PV Rao.
I just came here to see who is the top consumer of Burnol in India from2014 and Barka never fails
Wait for Yogi to become pm modi will look like a moderate 😂😂😂😂
Not only moderate but like peaceful guy
@@venkat6155 true
There is too much politics in the media , it distorts independent assessment , everyone in media seems to be connected with this or that party, These Poor chaps have sold themselves for some money or convenience!
I haven't seen any author whose explanation on various issues in his/her book is as lucid and intellectualy stimulating as the book itself.. That includes my favorites Ram Guha, Shashi Tharoor and Tavleen Singh.. This is an innate n unique quality of Dr Sitapati clearly visible in both his books. Congratulations🎉🎊🎁 Vinay.. I urge you to write a Comprehensive Indian History post Indira Gandhi!!! Please Sir
@kafir Infidel well that's not all inclusive, include Vivek kaul, raghuram rajan, arundhuti roy, amartya sen, jagdish bhagwati in the list as well (Only in the Indian Non-fiction context. By the way, which intellectual giant do you read?? U don't even have the guts to put out ur real name!! I think ur "sorry" is misplaced
@kafir Infidel ur name is a joke on ur character
@kafir Infidel well there is nothing to tell you.. I have my real name n dp whereas u r hiding behind ur fake name
@Shivendra Shukla Baal gya.. Is me mera koi kasoor nhi.. Jeff Bezos, Satya Nadela, Robin Sharma se jaakar yehi puchna beta!!
@Shivendra Shukla Got the message.. Thank you
I’m only here to watch Vinay!!
Bukha is not able to control herself from the inner hate she has for the Hindus. When Vinay was explaining the traditional hindu nationalism as a more progressive. She says is allowing him to continue and wants to jump in but Vinay was steadfast to complete his points
The guy keeps mispronouncing HeDaGewar as HeGaDewar and claims to be expert on the RSS 😂😂😂
A fascinating subject and such an insightful interview! Sad it had to end. Looking forward to reading this wonderful book from an author who truly brings out a deeply thought out perspective, with all the strengths, tensions and paradoxes in this almost unique relationship between Adwaniji and Atalji.
"Never go against the family."
hector salamanca
Thanks Barkha. It was really an interesting session. Loved it. Ye dil maange more.
👍
@Little John Although I don't reply to silly comments but I'll make an exception this time. Calling names is for pussies. When you get all that accomplished like one of them, leave me a message and I'll congratulate you too for your good work.
Barkha, you tried to box BJP as upper caste. You fail became you live in the past. Today Hindus are United which "liberals" like you can never come to terms with.
Without. Atalji. And. L. K. Advani. And. RSS. Their. Is. No. Modi. Both. Atalji. And. Advani. Are. The. Pillars. Ofbjp
BARKHA NEEDS TO LOOK AFTER HER HEALTH, HARD TO RECOGNIZE HER
Advani,Vajpayee too were Labelled CommunaL, HiTLER During their times by Liberandus & Media.......Today they r being Praised by the Same & Demonisation is Agnst MODi-SHaH........in Future MODi-SHah will be Praised & Demonisation will be of YOGi-Tejasvi Surya COMBO 😂😂😂
This is the concept Nation first of BJP and RSS.
Barkha seems totally distracted
there is a reson, she now understands that the BJP and its politics is here to stay , my educated guess is next 4 general elections , BJP would by 2028 be the biggest political party in india and will have taken some south indian states as well - TN as well as andhra- teh dravidian movementhas lost its steam - she is seeing the writing on the wall
Must be difficult to swallow for her .shows a mirror.her self created lululand bubble is shown as unreal
There is difference between BJP and Congress. For BJP, ideology and nationalism comes first, politics second. For Congress politics comes first.
I have some reservations on the opinions of Sitapati.
Opinion 1: It's a democratic conspiracy. He is factually wrong. After partition, India had he highest chance of becoming a Hindu Rashtra. The genocide in Noakhali and Punjab could have catapulted Hindu Rashtravad, but it didn't. Independence came with lot of political tiredness.
Opinion 2: S P Mukherjee, Savarkar planned it. What nonsense! Bose was a part too. But idea was not to create the background. Basically RSS was, and is a social organisation. It's a later entry into power politics.
Opinion 3: In 1970s he cites Assam. Assam was / is a problem with Bangladeshi immigration, changing demographics. Congress utilised them as vote banks, what we see now is a 'repercussion' to those policies.
Opinon 4: RSS and all Hindu organisations like Hindu Mahasabha and VHP believe in Akhanda Bharat. They don't agree to 2 nation theory. Sitapati has given a logic that RSS came up with 2 nation theory, which in fact is factually wrong.
Timeline to see the cause and effect theory:
Khilafat / Caliphate Movement: 1919-1924.
Savarkar letter as a response to Caliphate: 1922.
Formation of RSS as a counter to Caliphate: 1925.
Its clear, the seeds of 2 nation theory which resulted in creation of East and West Pakistan is sowed during the Khilafat movement which Gandhi was not eager to support it in the beginning. I repeat, RSS is a fallout of Congress's appeasement theory and looking into the future of a vote bank, probably learnt from UK's Labour Party. And Congress was formed by a British man.
Sitapathi and Barkha Dutt should have taken this into consideration.
Advani, Vajpayee were fighting Dynastic politics, against appeasement politics, and now we see the people of India coming to know about it. We are sure lot of fake use of social media will come to the forefront, and informed viewers will continue to do so.
He doesn't say rss came up 2 Nation theory.
Vajypee was an asol...
Author Satpathi is intelligent, and honest. He candidly appreciated Barkha's one liner about Modi's ability to transform the audience / voters. Alas Lutein crowd was equally realistic and honest. This includes Barkha and her likes who harps on 2002 till this day !
Happy to go guy 👍
How refreshing discussion away from propaganda and 'Nation doesn't wants to know'
He has lot of information. But I don't believe Guruji told Vajpayee to breakup with Kaul. Did this sitapathy meet Guruji? Guruji is as modern as traditional.
We proud of RSS BJP🚩🇮🇳
Another curiously interesting excerpts of a book by dr. Sethupathi
Some pretty abstract stuff about Hinduism vs Hindu nationalism. 200 years back was there a religion called Hinduism. Even today is Hinduism a religion ? Does Hindu nationalism qualify it as a religion ?
It's more cultural
Very articulate professor with very impressive CV (Harvard Law and Princeton PhD, journalist, author). The Modi-Shah Jugalbandi has ridden on 100 years of BJP/RSS disciplined struggle to win a super-majority in the parliament and create a powerful "national" political narrative. The alternative "national" narrative is the Nehruvian ideology, but unfortunately it is dead because it relies on Primogeniture and it was not able to deliver during 40+ years rule - forget about Korea or Asian Tigers, as late as 1980, China's GDP was equal to India's but per capita GDP was lower. If Modi-Shah Jugalbandi delivers in the next 5-10 years (so far it has not), we may be "at the end of history" as far as Indian politics is concerned, but if not, it'll be interesting to see what alternative "national" narrative rises! May be we'll read a different take on BJP by Prof. Sitapati in 15 years' time.
The sickularists does not talk about very progressive thoughts of Veer Savarkar as he was an agnostic and he wanted to work for a united Hindu society
It seems congis trying to bring counter narrative for mr Nehru/Mrs Mountbatten with Vajpai/Rajkumari 😄. What a idea sir ji
Interesting book and great discussion. Will certainly chevk it out. Can u possibly invite Sandeep Bamzai and his recent book Princestan.
Nice to hear Barkha again
Vinay Sitapati said that they lived 40 year of relationship and most of couple are not able to do it today. Barkha like are you taunting me?
Elections were started in India by the French in 1880. British Indian elections started in 1920.
I can give an honest opinion about majority of common non minority citizen,they all know even current so called nationalistic government does not give a damn about anything else than thr political grip,only thing citizens know for sure that they will ensure that when majority gets harassed at least they will object which congress never did.
But this stupid divide and rule of current establishment is hurting than benefitting ,India can only be run by uniting than dividing,we never learnt and caused 1947 and we are again on same path .
And this country will be run by Constitution/Courts of India and not by order/ideology of either a Maulana or RSS Leader.
A dislike for only and only barkha
Barkha
Bark....ahaa
No Indian liked British rule but nobody protested till 1857, then again it took 90 yrs to get independence from them... thanks to WW2
RSS took 90 yrs to form govt, it will stay for sometime...1st protest already started but will take time to hoist Indian flag in Nagpur.
The anchor barkha dutt runs this show only to give her opinions ,just the time she remembers she is the anchor and journalist and not a historian or an expert in any matter, biased interview every time
Bharka don't have a credibility of a true journalist.
true
Kudos to Barkha for an interesting conversation.But I take strong exception to your unwrranted reference to love jihad as a hype.For every person who thinks it is just a hype there is another who feels it is real.As an objective citizen I feel there is enough evidence to believe it is prevalent.Kindly do an unbiased research before you pronounce your verdict.
I loved the way you have articulated this sensitive issue in a non-confrontational manner. Good one.
@@chandrasekhar-B Thank you Sir.
Fabulous interview! Really enjoyed the conversation 👍
What happened to your eyes.....
Superb analysis and interview 👍
Brilliant one Barkhaji....enjoyed it .....
Observed “The Print, The wire, NDTV and MOJO tv” channels these days, there is pattern of projecting news with twisted propaganda strategy if you follow these channels for few days. But these guys wasting time and energy. Aam admi least bothered on these nonsense propaganda. Try something new, honest, common people interest and national interest.
For we Lucknowees Atalji is a great PERSON in indian Politics, I say IS because I have still to be overshadowed p ost independence, No reason to compare him with Modiji , Modi is the need of present day India to let it attain it's rightful place in the world he is a Karmyogi a true defender of Mother India
what ignorance
Good one barkha..It's nice session..N u also looks great
You have no issues only BJP. Tell something about yourself before what you are.
Barkha is wrong in the sense that Atalji did not have the majority like Modiji. If at Atalji’s time, BJP would have the majority, Atalji would have carried out lot more Sangh policies because he was trained by Param Pujya Guruji.
Wrong.
Surely.... he would have not compromised with BJP manifesto promises if he had majority
One of the best interviews.
The agent of evil forces of the world Barkha Begum should have been boycotted by this naive. Whom was she backing when PVN was ill treated by his party?
Congratulations🎉🎊Barkha.. Keep up the great work.. Really good interview.. Please convey my message which is in a comment below to Dr Sitapati.. I m his "huge fan"!!
@Little John supporter of good content.. Rather than "Mujhe drugs do"
@@siddharthsharma5030 so right...
Modi is destroying NDA and BJP.
I didn't know that Nusli Wadia was a grandson of Jinnah !
It's there on Wikipedia. I also discovered it by chance while reading about Nusli Wadia and his mother Dina Wadia's house.
Wadia is a Parsi. He hated congress.
Loved the conversation
Conversation was brilliant.
One question to you barkha, you do make your eyes look so blacky, though it's fully your choice, but try something else. A simple wish of your regular viewer🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
हा हा हा
Dream of Sardar Patel was to make #SanghMuktBharat ..... Only that will bring #PurnaSwaraj in India
Sadarpatel said rss as rashtra bhakths after unbanning the organization
Now we are required modi
AMith షా
Loved it. Very perspective.
Excellent
Please don't use word liberal to Congress
You are perhaps dharma sister of SARDESAI.
Jai,modi
Though I hate Barkha Dutt and consider her as anti- national, I find her way of journalism in Mojo TV much more different. I find this as welcome change as quality of Topics and discussion on Mojo Tv is way better than many news channels. I may disagree, but quality of discussions is very high.
22:00 which speech they are referring?
Another comedy show by most powerful Islamo-left-liberal of 21st century 😆
Read the book
Excellent 👍👍
Go straight to the point.
Too much blablabla blablabla.
I need swallow a couple of aspirin to stop the headaches.
LK Advani a great crook who is responsible for ascendance fake fakir.
😀 Swami Narendra Dev Maharaj
Journalism ka naam ma ya kya bakchodi ho rahi ha idhar .
Govinda
Full of black paint I see :)😁
Its not election, its pay crores and buy the MLAs
It’s politics.sham/dham/dand/bhed
You are electing sellable persons as your representives.
@Swaraj BJP has 37.4% only. If u need in detail click www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/elections/lok-sabha-2019/analysis-highest-ever-national-vote-share-for-the-bjp/article27218550.ece/amp/
@Swaraj Its good that you changed ur statement from BJP to NDA.
@Swaraj yes right. Now the farmers are protesting on same face for selling their farms to corporates through farm law
Randi No 1
Buurkha Dutt...not worth it...😁
😂😂 Fake Bharkha
plz join NDTV again
One day.... Indian would realize that cause of partition lies in the roots of Hindutva Project from 1920s and the criminal silence of Congress on these majority politics appeasement
M family suffered partition too. But this is the whole point. Look at history over ages. Those who are hating are destroyed; those who forget and live in harmony progress. Hate is not going to educate anyone or make economy grow. Life is not zero sum. Better you BJP people learn it.
Study Bangladesh liberation war,mohpilla massacre, aurangabad riots,marad Massacre, genocides of kashmiri pandits then indians one days will realise cause of partition from before and after independence was due to minority politics led and silence of majority people who are facing the brutality.....
@Swaraj thank you for the info bro..
@Swaraj bro main thing is that our own people abuse and betrayed our people that's the reason why majority people is suffering and this led to dominance of minority politics.....and our history praises akbar,Tipu, nizams ,razkars and so called left librandus..
@@rahulpurushothaman7353 you can prove me wrong if you show me the single proven evidence of genocides of kashmiri pandits....You are filled with the propaganda of RSS...... nothing more
Meaningless talk: bajpai is educated and genius and modi is illiterate and street goonda who does not know what he is talking and a fluke leader
We need super goonda to deal with so called minorities & corrupt system
It is foolishness to buy the argument that there was appeasement of Muslim community by previous regimes.
On the contrary the economic conditions of the Muslims has deteriorated during the past many years.
We should admit that we discriminate against Muslims in all walks of life.
Actually there should be reservations for Muslims in civil services, judiciary, police etc to the extent of 30 to 40 percent for fair play or a level playing field for them
You're foolish