undskyld men dette er på dansk Flot historisk gennemgang ud fra et norsk perspektiv. jeg kan som dansker så sige, at de olenborgske konger nok ikke var, anderledes overfor os danskere end nordmænd, og slesvig holstein, tyraniset var ja ens overfor alle. du beskriver i begyndelsen om et bonderoprør. i norge, jeg kan så fortælle om et ligeledes bonde oprør i nordjylland i danmark der er nærmest samtidigt, og ja med en afslutning der er afgjort lige så brutal. med henrettelsen af dens leder skipper clement, i Viborg. i 1536, af ja precist samme kong. fredrik den 2 Faktisk var det en reel borgerkrig i det nordlige danmark og det kunne være spænende om der har været korrespondance mellem de to katolske bevægelser i det sydlige Norge og nordlige danmark. skattebyrten var ens i hele helheds kongedømmet. og mens i nordmænd og selsvig holsteinerne faktisk var fri for denne tyraniske forordning, om stavsbondet som der slavebandt den almindelige danske bonde. da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stavnsb%C3%A5ndet så på mange måder var de oldenborgske konger mere nådige overfor nordmændende end ja deres egne danskere ( nu er det så forkert og sige deres egne danskere da den oldenborgske sælgt jo er fra aldenburg i Wilhelmshaven, og derfor på INGEN måde var ja dansk) . det var og blev en tysk fyrste slægt som der arvede den danske trone, ja administrations sproget i helheds riget danmark norge, var tysk mens man snakkede fransk i hoffet, Det jeg prøver og sige er at vi var som danskere lige så tyraniserede af kongehuset som resten af helheds kongedømmet var det ja på nogen måder mere, ( henviser til stavnsbondet som der var ja direkte en slave binding af det danske folk) i norske bønder var frie bønder mens. langt de fleste bønder i danmark var underlagt en lokal fyrste, der så godt nok var mest brutal på sjælland lolland falster og fyn mens det var mere lempeligt i jylland, hvor hovedparten af mit jyske hovedland jo var en ødemark med heden der bestod op til 1880 ne ( hc andersen beskriver det i sangen jylland mellem tvende have,) det faktum at jylland på mange måder var lige så ufremkommeligt i midten af jyland som norge var, med sine fjelde. gjorde vi hade et andet liv end man hade på fyn sjælland og lolland falster. helheds riget danmark norge selsvig holstein og lauenborg, var et imperium. og faktisk var og er det måske forkert og kalde kongen for en konge da han jo nærmere var kejser over dette imperium helhedriget. med meget selvstyrende fyrstedømmer i riget selv om vi hade enevællet. som der så jo faktisk bestod frem til. 1849. i danmark. Det er meget vigtigt og fastlå de danske konger var IKKE DANSKERE, og kongehuset blev først dansk med nederlaget i 1864 hvor vi taber slevsvig holstien, ja alle kongerne før dette tale dårligt nok dansk. indklusiv kong christian den 8, der var konge på det tidspunkt. ( han stammer fra slottet Glücksburg som der ligger øst for flensborg tæt ved fjensborg fjord). ja man sagte på luldvig holbergs tid ( en anden god nordmand der berigede vores fælles rige) hvor jeppe på bjerget jo i sin rettergang til dommeren siger "tal dansk din sorte hund". ja selv ikke sproget i en retsag foregik på dansk. i danmark, under diktaturet i den odenborgske tid.
takk for ditt perspektiv. det var veldig interessant å lese. mye av dette har nok med avstand som du sier - jylland lå lenger unna makten. og for Norge, (som jeg også nevner i videoen) var det en stor andel frie bønder som eide egen grunn. dette la mye av grunnlaget for den økonomisk/folketallsmessige veksten i Norge.
stavnsbondet kommer med enevællet i 1660 hvor herremanden fik hals og hovedret over sine, undersåtter som en kompensation, for og bliver ophævet i 1788, dog var hedebønderne og mange bønder i det jyske mindre bundet af stavsbondet man skal huske at jylland før 1860 erne var hovedsageligt en kæmpe ødemark med heden der gik fra ned i hertugdømmerne, slesvig holstein, fra vest mod jyske højderyg, og i højgrad op til limfjorden, med store områder nord for fjorden hvor der også var hede områder, det var faktisk kun de østjyske områder der i nogen grad hade stavsbondet og som filmen Bastarden med mads Mikkelsen fortæller og forfatterskabet af steen seeensen blicher som der er fra næsten samme område, omkring Viborg som der på mange måder var vestgrænsen for civilisationen i jylland. det er nemt og se fortiden i vores perpektiv igennem vores øjene, fra idag, men realiteten er at der næppe var den store forskel om man var norsk undersåt undersåt i hertugdømmerne på de danske øer, eller undersåt i jylland norge hade lidt de samme forhold som vi hade det i den vestlige del af jylland, naturen er på hver sin måde lige barsk men forskelig. hvor det jo er fjelde i norge er det heden og vestkysten i danmark som i så også har i norge. der er faktisk lige så stor forskel på jysk mentalitet til den mentatalitet der er omkring københavn til mentaliteten i har i norge, det eneste jeg deler med mine landsmænd på øerne er sproget. som der er blevet homogeniseret dansk, (som faglært mejerist kan jeg så fint forklare hvordan en homogenisator fungere man tvinger et emne med forskellig molykyle størelse ind i en forsnævring ( den danske fortælling) og opløser den til ens artede molykyler i størrelse), Tyraniet fra købennhavn er ganske så stort i dag som det var dengang og jeg ser som jyde intet fælleskab med denne by, heden bliver først dyrket efter vi mister hertugdømmerne, efter man nu opdager at danmark ikke længere er et imperium, før dette var der IKKE en dansk bevisthed, en jysk bonde fra vestylland kunne ikke tale med en bonde fra lolland, og forstå hinanden så store var de sproglige forskelle i danmark, jysk er et HELT andet sprog end dansk. som der er blevet homogeniseret dansk, mens sproget var så forskellligt at det ikke kan fortælles at det er en dialekt, men må betegles som et selvstendigt sprog som norsk er et selvsændigt sprog. jeg har som du kan forstå en meget kold kærlighed til, københavn.
I believe it was more give and take than what most think, actually. Sure, the Danish king got access to a lot of resources, manpower and cheap labor, but Norway also got exposed to a lot of foreign expertise, trade and colonies through the danish network. I don't think Norway would have been that much better off on its own in the centuries after the Black Death.
Nice work. If central and Southern Europe keep moving right and the Nordic countries stay Centrist/Left-Centrist - who knows - there might still come a time for the mothballed Nordic Union.
I quite explicitly state on the video (and on this channel in general) that Nordic history is told from a Norwegian point of view. Nationalism is unavoidable because you somehow have to capture the mood in how modern Norway was born out of the union of the two kingdoms.
Hmm. Danes today tend to say to Norwegians: "You belonged to us!". It is of course historically incorrect, ignorant, stupid and offensive towards Norwegians. The double monarchy of Denmark/Norway was instigated by the marriage between Queen Margrethe of Denmark the first, and king Haakon the sixth of Norway and Sweden. And they remained in unity when Sweden droppede out of the Kalmar union. The king of Denmark, Frederick the VI sacrificed Norway to Sweden as a mean to get peace for Denmark at the end of the Napoleonic wars. Norway then made it's own constitution, fought a war with Sweden without any help from Denmark, and even elected a Danish royal to become the king of Norway. But in vain. A term for peace with the Swedes was that Norway would accept a Swedish king. Denmark betrayed Norway in those years. It was a shame. And Denmark betrayed Norway again in 1940 letting Nazi Germany using a willing danish country as a platform to atack and occupie Norway. But you know what? Norwegians are forgiving and still love Danes and Denmark. 👍 It"s probably for the cheap alcohol.😅
My ancestors were hired by the king and moved from the Netherlands (Gelderland) to Copenhagen along with 3 other families of builders to help defend the Danish against the Swedish kingdom. They specialised in building star fortresses and after finishing the older part of the first permanent ramparts/citadel (Kastellet) gained nobility and knighthood and were awarded a lectureship award in complicated architecture at the King's University. We are still in Denmark, around 600 members of the former Wan der Borchs and the Bartholin branch of the family's.
@@caythorgrimson ja jeg har så også fået et par flere navne på frakken end bare det fra Holland. Blev sgu nødt til at skære i det for at få plads til en simpel underskrift. Men det er lovligt at bruge patrinomer igen, så man kan tage faderen eller moderens fornavn til efternavn med henholdsvis søn og datter som slutled.
Fascinating topic, and equally fascinating and captivating channel. Your exhaustive research on Norwegian history is evident, and I look forward to much more on your channel. Thank you.
Mankind always has and always will want to dominate and kill. Spill blood in the name of my short existence for my viewpoint . Unfortunately it is imbedded in our DNA.
The uploader of this video hides a bleaker side. Such as the nieghgerdly color of his skin and his rapist psycheist discrimination with which he aims to create a propaganda of hatred against people who were born with a psychological disability. People like him are the kind who is responsible for the normalcy in Ukraine and other crimes of the disgusting nieghger normaltrash.
Thank you for an insightful video about my neighboring countries. It is interesting to see both combined together. I come from Bohuslän and our local dialect contains many Norwegian words but has specific Danish pronunciation patterns thus gata in Swedish becomes gada en Bohuslänish. If you know any more insightful videos about Norway, please tell me. Takk!
A small mistake, the 1814 treaty of Kiel, ceding Norway to Sweden was absolutely not signed voluntarily, it was an absolute demand from the victors of the napoleonic wars. They ha promised Sweden they could get Norway if the Swedes would join them, so that's who you need to blame for it.
Yeah, the Danish king did everything he could to get out of it, including sending his own son to Norway to set the Swedish takeover up for failure and provide a way for Norway to return to the Danish royal line via succession.
I recently looked into the period of the union between Denmark-Norway, and I find a few of the statements you make to be wrong, or misleading, as well as leaning into a particular view of the time period that lacks a lot of nuance. The biggest one was about Denmark ceding Norway over as property, which is not true. Denmark was on the losing side of a war, where they fought on bitterly to keep Norway, because Sweden had joined the opposite side under they condition they would gain Norway when they won. And the only reason they'd join Napoleon was because the British attacked Copenhagen in an unprovoked attack. Denmark desired to be neutral and didn't want to take part in the war, but was forced into it. They'd also have switched sides a lot earlier if that didn't mean having to cede Norway, which as I mentioned was why they fought on so bitterly. Further you heavily lean into the romantic national ideas about the union, like the quotes you reference, referring to either a "long night", or a "false period" without putting them into context, or mentioned where those ideas originated from and comparing them to more modern, nuanced ideas about the time.
Hi Jens. You are of course entitled to your opinion. I merely state my views in this video, and there are hundreds of ways to interpret and analyse these 400 years of history. Norway as 'property' is of course polemic, as Norway was traditionally thought of as its own crown and territory - but no Norwegians were consulted on the matter. I mentioned the "false period" because that was a quote what came to taint the romantic view of the period and I tried to nuance that view. I don't try in this video try to dig too deeply in how to judge such a long period of time that is now so steeped in myth and nation-building, but tried to give a brief glimpse of what some thinkers thought of it in its aftermath. Thanks for watching!
@@NorthernHistory Is it worth pointing out that no Norwegians were consulted, when the Danes involved didn't have a choice? In either fighting in the war, or having to give up Norway after they lost?
@@Jo-Heike I felt it was worth pointing this out to a modern viewer, yes - in the context of seeing Denmark-Norway from a Norwegian point of view. Most people don't really know what an absolute monarchy was like or operated like in that day and age.
It is said that frederik 3 would rather give up skåne in 1658 to sweden, than norwegian land? Norway was not handed over so easy as it is told in the video in 1814. Norway was not a colony, but always regarded as a independant people. The norweigian sailors and soldiers where highly valued in the navy and in the army. Copenhagen was full of norweigian students and sailors and also many Germans. If denmark had contiued the fight for Norway, denmark would probably had been split up to the swedes and Britania. This idea did the swedish King (who was now a french former officer) propose to the britts. Denmark was even offered the most of the northen German baltic sea borders ,by the russians, if they gave norway to schweden and then joined up against napoleon. This was rejected period by the danish King.. so the King did everything he could to keep his beloved norway under the crown. It is important to be objektiv and not colored by nationalism when the history is told. Nationalism did not exist as we know it today. Norwegian policy was danish policy and vice versa at the time. Like it it not. That said, norway would had become indepent over time, because of the rise of nationalism. Which also happend in Holsten and schleswig. Denmark always mentioned norway as an independant People under the crown. Denmark was in danish history described as denmark-norway. Unlike scania, Halland , Blekinge, bonus len which where delibertly forced in to the swedish state to wash away there danisch ,and for bonus len, norwegian history, language and mentality The pursuit to kill norwegian tradition and habbits was never a political goal. However the writing was danish, which of course had a big impackt and did actually wipe out the original norwegian language. But the norwegian was still regarded as norwegians by the danes and the King, danish writting or not. That is the big difference.
Danes and Norwegians are brothers and there is a lot of love between the 2 countries now… now the Swedes.. that’s a whole other story… haha. In all seriousness Scandinavian like to razz each other but we do love each other. 🇩🇰🇳🇴🇩🇰🇳🇴
Fantastic video! Being a dane it´s great to hear and see the history from a norwegian point of view. Tordenskiold is pretty much celebrated as a danish hero even though we know he´s norwegian.
Tordenskiold was and is still held up as a patriotic figure in Norway. To many, he's the only iconic figure of the 18th century. Every country views historical persons differently, through their own lens!
I'm not gonna take a political stance on this, but Sweden's immigration policies differs extremely from Denmark, it's basically night and day. Look it up.
Awesome work. Feels a bit like an extended trailer for a 10 episode series though! Would have loved more detail but can see how that would be a bit much. 😊
A film, half a pandemic year in the making, finally done! Phew!
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wow congrats. I wish you had been in the chat though
@@micahistory RL intervened. Next time!
@@NorthernHistory ok would you like to be friends?
undskyld men dette er på dansk
Flot historisk gennemgang ud fra et norsk perspektiv. jeg kan som dansker så sige, at de olenborgske konger nok ikke var, anderledes overfor os danskere end nordmænd, og slesvig holstein, tyraniset var ja ens overfor alle.
du beskriver i begyndelsen om et bonderoprør. i norge, jeg kan så fortælle om et ligeledes bonde oprør i nordjylland i danmark der er nærmest samtidigt, og ja med en afslutning der er afgjort lige så brutal. med henrettelsen af dens leder skipper clement, i Viborg. i 1536, af ja precist samme kong. fredrik den 2 Faktisk var det en reel borgerkrig i det nordlige danmark og det kunne være spænende om der har været korrespondance mellem de to katolske bevægelser i det sydlige Norge og nordlige danmark.
skattebyrten var ens i hele helheds kongedømmet. og mens i nordmænd og selsvig holsteinerne faktisk var fri for denne tyraniske forordning, om stavsbondet som der slavebandt den almindelige danske bonde.
da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stavnsb%C3%A5ndet
så på mange måder var de oldenborgske konger mere nådige overfor nordmændende end ja deres egne danskere ( nu er det så forkert og sige deres egne danskere da den oldenborgske sælgt jo er fra aldenburg i Wilhelmshaven, og derfor på INGEN måde var ja dansk) . det var og blev en tysk fyrste slægt som der arvede den danske trone, ja administrations sproget i helheds riget danmark norge, var tysk mens man snakkede fransk i hoffet,
Det jeg prøver og sige er at vi var som danskere lige så tyraniserede af kongehuset som resten af helheds kongedømmet var det ja på nogen måder mere, ( henviser til stavnsbondet som der var ja direkte en slave binding af det danske folk) i norske bønder var frie bønder mens. langt de fleste bønder i danmark var underlagt en lokal fyrste, der så godt nok var mest brutal på sjælland lolland falster og fyn mens det var mere lempeligt i jylland, hvor hovedparten af mit jyske hovedland jo var en ødemark med heden der bestod op til 1880 ne ( hc andersen beskriver det i sangen jylland mellem tvende have,) det faktum at jylland på mange måder var lige så ufremkommeligt i midten af jyland som norge var, med sine fjelde. gjorde vi hade et andet liv end man hade på fyn sjælland og lolland falster.
helheds riget danmark norge selsvig holstein og lauenborg, var et imperium. og faktisk var og er det måske forkert og kalde kongen for en konge da han jo nærmere var kejser over dette imperium helhedriget. med meget selvstyrende fyrstedømmer i riget selv om vi hade enevællet. som der så jo faktisk bestod frem til. 1849. i danmark.
Det er meget vigtigt og fastlå de danske konger var IKKE DANSKERE, og kongehuset blev først dansk med nederlaget i 1864 hvor vi taber slevsvig holstien, ja alle kongerne før dette tale dårligt nok dansk. indklusiv kong christian den 8, der var konge på det tidspunkt. ( han stammer fra slottet Glücksburg som der ligger øst for flensborg tæt ved fjensborg fjord).
ja man sagte på luldvig holbergs tid ( en anden god nordmand der berigede vores fælles rige) hvor jeppe på bjerget jo i sin rettergang til dommeren siger "tal dansk din sorte hund". ja selv ikke sproget i en retsag foregik på dansk. i danmark, under diktaturet i den odenborgske tid.
takk for ditt perspektiv. det var veldig interessant å lese. mye av dette har nok med avstand som du sier - jylland lå lenger unna makten. og for Norge, (som jeg også nevner i videoen) var det en stor andel frie bønder som eide egen grunn. dette la mye av grunnlaget for den økonomisk/folketallsmessige veksten i Norge.
stavnsbondet kommer med enevællet i 1660 hvor herremanden fik hals og hovedret over sine, undersåtter som en kompensation, for og bliver ophævet i 1788, dog var hedebønderne og mange bønder i det jyske mindre bundet af stavsbondet man skal huske at jylland før 1860 erne var hovedsageligt en kæmpe ødemark med heden der gik fra ned i hertugdømmerne, slesvig holstein, fra vest mod jyske højderyg, og i højgrad op til limfjorden, med store områder nord for fjorden hvor der også var hede områder, det var faktisk kun de østjyske områder der i nogen grad hade stavsbondet og som filmen Bastarden med mads Mikkelsen fortæller og forfatterskabet af steen seeensen blicher som der er fra næsten samme område, omkring Viborg som der på mange måder var vestgrænsen for civilisationen i jylland. det er nemt og se fortiden i vores perpektiv igennem vores øjene, fra idag, men realiteten er at der næppe var den store forskel om man var norsk undersåt undersåt i hertugdømmerne på de danske øer, eller undersåt i jylland norge hade lidt de samme forhold som vi hade det i den vestlige del af jylland, naturen er på hver sin måde lige barsk men forskelig. hvor det jo er fjelde i norge er det heden og vestkysten i danmark som i så også har i norge.
der er faktisk lige så stor forskel på jysk mentalitet til den mentatalitet der er omkring københavn til mentaliteten i har i norge, det eneste jeg deler med mine landsmænd på øerne er sproget. som der er blevet homogeniseret dansk, (som faglært mejerist kan jeg så fint forklare hvordan en homogenisator fungere man tvinger et emne med forskellig molykyle størelse ind i en forsnævring ( den danske fortælling) og opløser den til ens artede molykyler i størrelse),
Tyraniet fra købennhavn er ganske så stort i dag som det var dengang og jeg ser som jyde intet fælleskab med denne by,
heden bliver først dyrket efter vi mister hertugdømmerne, efter man nu opdager at danmark ikke længere er et imperium, før dette var der IKKE en dansk bevisthed, en jysk bonde fra vestylland kunne ikke tale med en bonde fra lolland, og forstå hinanden så store var de sproglige forskelle i danmark, jysk er et HELT andet sprog end dansk. som der er blevet homogeniseret dansk, mens sproget var så forskellligt at det ikke kan fortælles at det er en dialekt, men må betegles som et selvstendigt sprog som norsk er et selvsændigt sprog. jeg har som du kan forstå en meget kold kærlighed til, københavn.
Episk!
Thank you so much!
Finally, it's here! 🙌
It was a sad time for norway and the wrost union for norway. Norway was the big loser of that union.
I believe it was more give and take than what most think, actually. Sure, the Danish king got access to a lot of resources, manpower and cheap labor, but Norway also got exposed to a lot of foreign expertise, trade and colonies through the danish network. I don't think Norway would have been that much better off on its own in the centuries after the Black Death.
Norwegians think of the Danish rule as the 400 year night....
So well done as always. The colonial era of Scandinavia is something I'd love to see more media explore.
Let's reunite Norway and Denmark. The Swedes can stay outside.
You get the oil, we get the drinking culture. Lets go.
- Are you going to watch the handball match on tv tonight?
-I don’t know who’s playing?
-Denmark Norway.
-Who are they playing against?
the dream team ;)
Nice work. If central and Southern Europe keep moving right and the Nordic countries stay Centrist/Left-Centrist - who knows - there might still come a time for the mothballed Nordic Union.
Quite a few omissions and misrepresentations in this rather “norwegian nationalistic” angle on history.
I quite explicitly state on the video (and on this channel in general) that Nordic history is told from a Norwegian point of view. Nationalism is unavoidable because you somehow have to capture the mood in how modern Norway was born out of the union of the two kingdoms.
Hmm. Danes today tend to say to Norwegians: "You belonged to us!". It is of course historically incorrect, ignorant, stupid and offensive towards Norwegians. The double monarchy of Denmark/Norway was instigated by the marriage between Queen Margrethe of Denmark the first, and king Haakon the sixth of Norway and Sweden. And they remained in unity when Sweden droppede out of the Kalmar union. The king of Denmark, Frederick the VI sacrificed Norway to Sweden as a mean to get peace for Denmark at the end of the Napoleonic wars. Norway then made it's own constitution, fought a war with Sweden without any help from Denmark, and even elected a Danish royal to become the king of Norway. But in vain. A term for peace with the Swedes was that Norway would accept a Swedish king. Denmark betrayed Norway in those years. It was a shame. And Denmark betrayed Norway again in 1940 letting Nazi Germany using a willing danish country as a platform to atack and occupie Norway. But you know what? Norwegians are forgiving and still love Danes and Denmark. 👍 It"s probably for the cheap alcohol.😅
Tell the real truth of how Norway was on b the losing end of a 500 union with Denmark and Sweden.
Are you danish, by any chance?
Bravo! Very informative and informative. Thank from an old Dane and I apologize for ruling your country for so many years.
Should rather appologize for taking all of our colonies away from us in 1814
My ancestors were hired by the king and moved from the Netherlands (Gelderland) to Copenhagen along with 3 other families of builders to help defend the Danish against the Swedish kingdom.
They specialised in building star fortresses and after finishing the older part of the first permanent ramparts/citadel (Kastellet) gained nobility and knighthood and were awarded a lectureship award in complicated architecture at the King's University. We are still in Denmark, around 600 members of the former Wan der Borchs and the Bartholin branch of the family's.
my name is cay jens joost thorgrimson
what history is in the name of warrior sons
im dane
@@caythorgrimson ja jeg har så også fået et par flere navne på frakken end bare det fra Holland. Blev sgu nødt til at skære i det for at få plads til en simpel underskrift. Men det er lovligt at bruge patrinomer igen, så man kan tage faderen eller moderens fornavn til efternavn med henholdsvis søn og datter som slutled.
@@citizenVader lol bro a true ilu
@@citizenVader din måde ay sige du er f dane
@@citizenVader lad mig gæt amar??
Very good video. Dont know why i havent seen this before today.
What a fantastic video- thank you! I am interested in Scandinavian history and visit Scandinavia often. Warm regards from Australia, Andy
Fascinating topic, and equally fascinating and captivating channel. Your exhaustive research on Norwegian history is evident, and I look forward to much more on your channel. Thank you.
My dog is Danish and he is much loved!
Mankind always has and always will want to dominate and kill. Spill blood in the name of my short existence for my viewpoint . Unfortunately it is imbedded in our DNA.
Nice video! Thanks!
My dad looks just like king Christian II it’s actually weird
Skoll og takk. The global controllers will not succeed indefinitely. Cruelty is not sustainable. 🇲🇽👍
The uploader of this video hides a bleaker side. Such as the nieghgerdly color of his skin and his rapist psycheist discrimination with which he aims to create a propaganda of hatred against people who were born with a psychological disability.
People like him are the kind who is responsible for the normalcy in Ukraine and other crimes of the disgusting nieghger normaltrash.
Thank you for an insightful video about my neighboring countries. It is interesting to see both combined together. I come from Bohuslän and our local dialect contains many Norwegian words but has specific Danish pronunciation patterns thus gata in Swedish becomes gada en Bohuslänish. If you know any more insightful videos about Norway, please tell me. Takk!
A small mistake, the 1814 treaty of Kiel, ceding Norway to Sweden was absolutely not signed voluntarily, it was an absolute demand from the victors of the napoleonic wars. They ha promised Sweden they could get Norway if the Swedes would join them, so that's who you need to blame for it.
Yeah, the Danish king did everything he could to get out of it, including sending his own son to Norway to set the Swedish takeover up for failure and provide a way for Norway to return to the Danish royal line via succession.
Norway was ceded to Bernadotte, the king of Sweden, not Sweden. Thus the united kingdoms, not kingdom.
@@NATIK001the Danish king was Frederik VI and he had no sons. Christian VIII was his cousin and heir.
I recently looked into the period of the union between Denmark-Norway, and I find a few of the statements you make to be wrong, or misleading, as well as leaning into a particular view of the time period that lacks a lot of nuance.
The biggest one was about Denmark ceding Norway over as property, which is not true. Denmark was on the losing side of a war, where they fought on bitterly to keep Norway, because Sweden had joined the opposite side under they condition they would gain Norway when they won. And the only reason they'd join Napoleon was because the British attacked Copenhagen in an unprovoked attack. Denmark desired to be neutral and didn't want to take part in the war, but was forced into it. They'd also have switched sides a lot earlier if that didn't mean having to cede Norway, which as I mentioned was why they fought on so bitterly.
Further you heavily lean into the romantic national ideas about the union, like the quotes you reference, referring to either a "long night", or a "false period" without putting them into context, or mentioned where those ideas originated from and comparing them to more modern, nuanced ideas about the time.
Hi Jens. You are of course entitled to your opinion. I merely state my views in this video, and there are hundreds of ways to interpret and analyse these 400 years of history. Norway as 'property' is of course polemic, as Norway was traditionally thought of as its own crown and territory - but no Norwegians were consulted on the matter. I mentioned the "false period" because that was a quote what came to taint the romantic view of the period and I tried to nuance that view.
I don't try in this video try to dig too deeply in how to judge such a long period of time that is now so steeped in myth and nation-building, but tried to give a brief glimpse of what some thinkers thought of it in its aftermath. Thanks for watching!
@@NorthernHistory Is it worth pointing out that no Norwegians were consulted, when the Danes involved didn't have a choice? In either fighting in the war, or having to give up Norway after they lost?
@@Jo-Heike I felt it was worth pointing this out to a modern viewer, yes - in the context of seeing Denmark-Norway from a Norwegian point of view. Most people don't really know what an absolute monarchy was like or operated like in that day and age.
@@NorthernHistory Eneveldet.
It is said that frederik 3 would rather give up skåne in 1658 to sweden, than norwegian land? Norway was not handed over so easy as it is told in the video in 1814. Norway was not a colony, but always regarded as a independant people. The norweigian sailors and soldiers where highly valued in the navy and in the army. Copenhagen was full of norweigian students and sailors and also many Germans. If denmark had contiued the fight for Norway, denmark would probably had been split up to the swedes and Britania. This idea did the swedish King (who was now a french former officer) propose to the britts. Denmark was even offered the most of the northen German baltic sea borders ,by the russians, if they gave norway to schweden and then joined up against napoleon. This was rejected period by the danish King.. so the King did everything he could to keep his beloved norway under the crown. It is important to be objektiv and not colored by nationalism when the history is told. Nationalism did not exist as we know it today. Norwegian policy was danish policy and vice versa at the time. Like it it not. That said, norway would had become indepent over time, because of the rise of nationalism. Which also happend in Holsten and schleswig. Denmark always mentioned norway as an independant People under the crown. Denmark was in danish history described as denmark-norway. Unlike scania, Halland , Blekinge, bonus len which where delibertly forced in to the swedish state to wash away there danisch ,and for bonus len, norwegian history, language and mentality
The pursuit to kill norwegian tradition and habbits was never a political goal. However the writing was danish, which of course had a big impackt and did actually wipe out the original norwegian language. But the norwegian was still regarded as norwegians by the danes and the King, danish writting or not. That is the big difference.
400 years of darkness. With best regards. Jan
Danes and Norwegians are brothers and there is a lot of love between the 2 countries now… now the Swedes.. that’s a whole other story… haha. In all seriousness Scandinavian like to razz each other but we do love each other. 🇩🇰🇳🇴🇩🇰🇳🇴
@@kknudsen4907 Vi er Vikinger!!!!! Jan
Undskyld.
Fantastic video! Being a dane it´s great to hear and see the history from a norwegian point of view. Tordenskiold is pretty much celebrated as a danish hero even though we know he´s norwegian.
Tordenskiold was and is still held up as a patriotic figure in Norway. To many, he's the only iconic figure of the 18th century. Every country views historical persons differently, through their own lens!
You're also welcome for Holberg ;D
@@GangeHrolfr Thanks ☺and we´ve practically stolen Henrik Ibsen too.
@@landersen8173 So has the rest of the world, it's all good my friend :D
@@GangeHrolfrYeah. And Krøjer, and Haakon the VI.
You need more subscribers and deserve them too .
Hi, I'm a teacher. May I use parts of this video for upper secondary history education (VG2)?
Hi, of course.
This provided stepping stones through several centuries and filled in several blank decades! A serious reflection on our shared values, well done.
Nice video!
Sykt bra film, ekstremt spennende saker.
So sad that Scandinavians are committing suicide through immigration.
So sad that you are beset with delusions.
lmao
I'm not gonna take a political stance on this, but Sweden's immigration policies differs extremely from Denmark, it's basically night and day. Look it up.
Letting you into Scandinavia would also be suicide.
@@gingerconnoisseur7395 - A few sexual assaults and grenade attacks are a small price to pay for the joys of vibrant diversity, eh?
Awesome work. Feels a bit like an extended trailer for a 10 episode series though! Would have loved more detail but can see how that would be a bit much. 😊
I will definetly make a more in-depth film on an interesting subject related to Denmark-Norway in the future.
Search and ye shall find oh ye of little faith.