Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 vs XPLANE 12 - Airports Comparison
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I have both, I like both. One big pro of X-Plane is that the airport layout, taxiways, gates and their labels are actually correct. That is a huge benefit when you're flying VATSIM as ATC will be giving you instructions like 'Taxi and hold short runway xx via C, D, F, B2'. In MSFS you're often left wondering where those taxiways actually are.
so buy and use a far inferior sim to save on a navigraph subscription?? sounds like the logic of a fanboy!
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy "far inferior sim" hahahaha are you serious?
X-Plane focused on physics and mechanics, MSFS2020 is focused on graphics, that's what I see.
We are on 2023, not in 2020. This argument is not valid anymore
I can say that MSFS 2020 is the first game that I can confidently fly in VFR. I have flown VFR in X Plane 11 pretty well, but the level of detail that MSFS brings, is unmatched.
If the XPlane scenery keeps improving like this, the XP15 will look a lot like the current MSFS2020.
while msfs has their new version that literally can teleport you inside the sim lol
No shit, Sherlock
Sorry, but Xp12 is not worth $60, maybe $30 at most. Not enough difference over XP11 to justify the cost.
Facts 🎉
Xp12 is basically xp11.6
Not yet but it will be.
Even with Ortho at high possible res, XP11 or 12, 3D infrastructure and trees, stand out and do not blend in naturally with the ground ortho as MSFS 3D elements do. It is because the Engine of MSFS as an architecture is a newer tech... For example, the trees in MSFS, not only they render dense forests more realistically but also adapt to the color hues of the textures underneath...
There's no getting around it. Visually X-Plane is last, LAST gen. A fairer comparison would probably be with P3D/FSX, since it appears that the engine they're using can't take the next step/leap that MSFS has.
Loool xplane 12 autogen / airports are miles better than anything fsx and p3d , i was fsx user from its release 2006 to 2018, i know the sim inside and out virtually .If your saying it looks fsx your talking bollox and it is what I would expect from a fanboy.
@@DC3Refom I agree. X-Plane 12 does look much better that FSX. That's my point. It's a fairer comparison for X-Plane because it has not taken the next step in visual fidelity. Btw, being a flight simmer in my 60's I prefer the term "fan-man". :)
@@newdeal9371 i would say it is the scenery , other than xp12 is really impressive st times , especially the weather , going through clouds , storms , the airports detail wise as just as good as default mfs some better especially if pan right down to plane level
@@DC3Refom Again, I agree 100%. Up until MSFS 2020 X-Plane was my sim of choice and I will support LR to the end for their product is that good! The problem as I see it is that LR did not set expectations before releasing X-Plane 12 into early access. What Asobo has done is a game changer. And we thought that X-Plane 12 would be a response to that. Clearly it is not which is fine for X-Plane 12 is a great sim. But still it's a bit disappointing.
Why does X-Plane 12 give me FSX vibes 😂
Even Swiss001 said that
i've been using Xplane for a long time, and i really like it. But msfs is a game changer, i think Xplane 12 don't deserve this title, they could call it Xplane 11 NG...
Now this comparisation is beter then the previous one (and deserves a like)👍🏼. Thanks !
X-Plane can look good with Ortho4XP and Simheaven's Autogen, but it requires extra time, effort and A LOT of hard drive space. However, the end result is still not as good as MSFS's AI generated scenery, which is in a class of its own.
Lot of headache to install those ortophotos, no seasons change, and the sim end up looking even more like a mobile game from the 2005´s, i hate that so much
I've just posted a video using X-Plane 11 Orbx in X-Plane 12 from London City. The wet airport looks amazing as does the very overcast clouds. It flies much smoother and seems faster for the same speeds
The great thing about this video and ALL the comments is that these sims are still in direct competition and that's a good thing. I would love the visual of MSFS on Xplane12 but then there are products from companies like ORBX to cater for that (and not expensive). I am still confused about MSFS and how many scenery add-ons you would still need. Is MSFS out-of-the-box really containing fabulous ortho? I'll get one eventually - thanks - keep these videos coming 🙂
I have both, and rarely fly in MSFS as it crashes to desktop all the time, or has a problem loading scenery. There are sooooooooo many problems with that sim, that many who have bought it, don't even bother with it anymore. Their forums are littered with these people.
I have both xp11 xp12 fs2020. I playing fs 2020 for enjoying scenery, n better feeling simulation i often play xplane.
yeah....driving the Zibo 737 or Toliss 321 feels so much better than Fenix/PMDG
@@maltimoto yeah man xplane better on that :D
Depends what aircraft you use. XP11 for helicopters, MSFS for GA VFR and DCS for military. I can't say anythink about airliners.
DCS Huey is one of the best helicopters.
@@pkorhon x-plane also for older aircraft like the 747-200 and a300. Also FF 767 and 757 are miles better than whatever captain sim barfed out. So even if the 757 and 767 make it to msfs via captain sim though we don’t know that, we all know which is the better choice.
Can’t wait for the other pmdg products for msfs. Seems like it’s going to be another good decade for flight simming
@@maltimoto Zibo better than PMDG? jajajaja..... Toliss better than Feniz jajajajajajajajajaa.... Dont make me laughung 🤣🤣
Xplane 12 looks like FSX and in some instances looks like fs2004. . ..
Visual is my thing so for me I can't go past MSFS,but you have to give credit to XP.MSFS has a world team backed by Microsoft to work on this.XP is basically a small company trying to compete.I'm sure if XP had MSFS's resources it would be very close to rivalling MSFS.
MS should just buy Laminar and combine both games. MS FS-XP :D
XP12 looks like what would be P3D v5.4... Compared to MSFS it seems like a step back. Every time I see a video of it I just feel like I'm back in 2017. MSFS has raised the visual/scenery bar and everyone else is going to have to try and beat that.
But microsoft has satellite scenery and laminar research don’t have resources for that so of course msfs looks more detailed than xp12
@@rasmuskarusalmi3886 Agree, but their use of Blackshark AI gives more accuracy and more variety to all the generated buildings as opposed to the boring land class used by Laminar. If something exists at a location in real life, it exists in MSFS. Might not be photo correct, but it is there.
@@grantr5417 Hey. Try out X-World from SimHeaven. I think it should be part of X-Plane 12 to begin with.
I have both sims, and XP12 looks ten times better than this idiots example. He has turned the settings all the way down on XP12, that is why the AA is going crazy. Go watch Q8pilot's vids, and you will see XP12 looks ten times better than what this idiot is showing here.
Compare Xplane and Msfs at the same age. Msfs has been updated in over 2 years now, try compare it when msfs was 2 weeks old.
Hmm. Started MSFS the hour it was released in Kiribati. Even then it visually outclassed anything currently on the market, including this xp11 upgrade.
and when msfs came out everybody said xp 11 is better because it was released earlier and had full support
now when msfs grew and had so many updates and features, you say xp12 is new and had to be developed to be compared with msfs
It would be nice if in the future one joins the other. In my opinion, one completes the other. When I want to do a VFR flight I use FS and when I want to do an IFR flight I use xplane.
Why? Fenix is a better bus than anything in XP. PMDG is a better Boeing.
@@johnmaguire2185 Yes I agree. what I say is to unite the physics of the xplane with the graphics of the FS.
@@itamarmoura4080 the maths (physics) in XP is 150 years old. No way I want that instead of the CFD available to MSFS that maths wasn’t even possible to compute until the PC era really got started.
Guys, both camps have to take a chill pill with the “physics” argument. There’s no such thing as a realistic flight physics simulator. If Level D FAA certified FSS cannot achieve it what makes you think you will achieve on a home desktop computer. Sims are used for procedural and system knowledge training. As long as the aircraft you fly is represented, system-wise 100% and cockpit layout is dead on all you need is a basic flight model (usually good look up tables is what Boeing and Airbus are using in their sims and if that works for them, it works for me). With all those 3 elements on board you’ve got all you need to use the software as a training and flight/aircraft familiarisation device. XP and MSFS’s flight model La have reached a quite competent level to assure a more then accurate flight sim experience. The rest is just there to generate barber shop type arguments on forums.
@@gpapa31 They will never understand that this whole sim market is just passtime, hobbie. And yes, flight schools doesnt care at all about the phisics or the graphics of these
I'm happy to fly both. X-Plane still has lots more great airliners to choose from. If and when MSFS has all those I might fully switch.
Hmmm...not sure. I really like XP11 right now. Never tried MSFS. I'll watch again.
Look at the 4:47 mark with the very ugly and blurry ground textures, and the pop-in of trees. Even PS2 has better graphics than XP 12. SMH.
Very simple, short and clear: MSFS is better than anyone else for body length. Of course, we are talking about graphics!
For me, XP12👎, MSFS👍...😉
XPLANE 12 is in early access still. Add ons will improve it a lot after as well. Also you can fly Xplane 12 offline.
Too early to give a thumbs down my guy. When msfs came out it was total dogshit with 10 fps.
It will never be as good as msfs, but it will become great anyways
@@Andysus123 no but nice to have another option and not be restricted to only one platform. Most will play both anyway so the better they get the better for us.
For me MSFS as well! Still can‘t get enough from MSFS Graphics! 😍
I cannot get past the fact that the flight dynamics in 2020 are garbage, you can land a a320 is courchevelle no problem. The planes feel so much more immersive in Xplane 11 and 12 and have a lot more substance to them. Xplane 12 graphics are pretty good for me, and the sound engine is excellent.
How is it that Microsoft is WAYWAY better and x plane was released just a month ago
A multibillion dollar company with decades of experience funding a whole gigantic team and having the latest tech and in game engine creating scenery unlike any other sim developer can match, let alone a laminar which don’t nearly have the resources.
Gee I wonder why.
I’m not throwing shade at laminar. I’m just saying that microsoft developed flight sims when you were undergoing spermatogenisis in your dad’s bullocks. Why bother asking such a question?
Looks like updated p3d but it's still early access will see when it get updated
EASA MEIR CPL/ATPL Frozen here.
The GA Aircraft in MSFS are superb in terms of handling and characteristics and are more than sufficient for what you are aiming to achieve.
Highly recommend MSFS if you are looking to get familiarity with the G1000.
And meanwhile MSFS became superb in terms of systems. (FENIX, PMDG). and scenery wise... i mean... yeah...watch the video.
I’d say the G1000 is very poor and basic in MSFS. The X1000 (G1000 in Xplane) is a much more in depth and accurate model of the G1000…
@@GreenJetsam no, SU10's g1000 is way better than xplane's
@@GreenJetsam you are off your rocker. Nothing is better than MSFS's G1000 NXi
@@GreenJetsam You are probably talking about the default G1000 that launched with the sim. As Dave mentioned it is being replaced with the new G1000 nxi built by working title in SIM update 10. See the video here ruclips.net/video/jpBFYbECzGQ/видео.html. I think it is better than the xplane version.
@@brgimscht i didn’t realise it’s been updated apologises I was basing it off the original one!
If we could mesh both would be perfectly. XP flight models and interface into MSFS sceneries and performance.
MSFS is beautiful yet XP12 is uniquely attractive.
XP12 looks like a hot mess
@@tubeloobs Give X-plane 12 a chance, its still in testing phase and isnt complete yet. and yes there are a lot of bugs etc. I remember when msfs first came out it was a buggy mess too. I loaded up my orbx scenery and airports in xp12 and it looks absolutely stunning, I actually prefer XP12 to msfs and I know XP12 will continue to improve with future updates.
In my opinion, with Ortho and simheaven, Xplane 12 looks visually better than msfs.
@@gridhellsing you need to get your eyes checked
@@tubeloobs don't cry.
You‘re comparing autogen with handcrafted scenery here, very unfair.
ok we have understand it fs2020 has better graphic scenery, sky, and x plane has the better fly physic and runway look
Waiting for cockpit detail compare
Omg, so emberrassing for x-plane. They are a decade behind. They need to turn to cloud technology eventually. Better start making a deal with google for example.
its strange, i have MSFS, got 100s of hours in it, but recently got XP11 in the steam sale, and i much prefer XP11 for the way the aircraft feels while flying. If MSFS could sort that out, there would be no comparison.. i cant run XP12 without purple artifacts and low frames, its a nightmare on AMD
It is interesting how this is a huge topic. When I'm in X-Plane, i don't think I wish I was in MSFS. I get the immersion from the planes. There are quite some things to get frustrated with both of them
XP12.. Ouch! Lol
I like both
I have xplane11 with orbx ultra weather and add on trees..Dont think I will up grade..
It's so weird. In some cases, there are a lot of just flat ortho areas in MSFS. In those cases, you can get XP12 to look just as good if you know how to make ortho scenery for Xplane. If you put a little more effort in and create overlays and make sure houses and stuff are populated... you could make it look better.
At the same time... it's a lot of effort to make XP12 look it's very best and it match MSFS at it's worst. I mean MSFS does look a little cartoony at time, but that can be sorted with a reshade or somehow turning down the saturation. Xplane is very well know for it's superior flight model physics though... and so I really can't blame those who like to tinker and customize there sim for going the XP12 route this time round. The tech for MSFS is quite amazing, but only really in the areas that WOW you... and the flight model isn't quite there compared to XP12 for a lot of people.
It's almost as if these two projects were made for different types of people and not for those who aren't interested, isn't it? Who knew? /s
Almost makes all the dick measuring contests between the XP and MSFS community kinda redundant, doesn't it?
I think we can agree on one thing though, regardless. If there was a flight sim that looked as good as MSFS, but flew as deeply and accurately as XP12... we'd all buy it day 1. We should be advocating for that, rather than against the "best" sim... because we all know it doesn't actually exist yet.
Peace.
It is not even close. X-Plane 12 looks like FSX. Just give up.
This Comparison shows nothing about the ever lasting poorness of LR`s environment ... so sad ... but MSFS2020 is the better Sim !!!
Crazy how its not even close
How could you do Xplane so wrong, shame no man, there is no comparison lol PS3 Graphics
here you go xplane kiddies lol have fun!
Says the one flying ryanair A320 in msfs 😂
🤣😁
Your comment makes me think the MSFS community is full of toxic little kids writing dumb comments like that.
I am X-Plane adult and having fun
What a funny comment coming from an XBox-arcade-gamer 🤣🤣🤣
Cool
X-Plane 11.1 :))
Microsoft is better tbh.
Hello, if I download the demo, it is possible to try it in VR or you have to purchase the full version ?
You can but you dont have all airports
It looks like x plane has better airport and ms2020 has better city scenery I rather have the airport look good than the city
Sometimes, X-plane12 look like real life
Color are more natural, MSFS looks like Disneyland Simulator
@@maltimoto yeah
@@maltimoto I like it like that though. It makes you want to live in the MSFS world and not the regular real boring world
@@maltimoto you can easily download a reshade preset for mfs...
@@maltimoto prepare to get downvoted by the Xbox kids now. I do agree with you though
Comparing fully finished sim to a Beta - very clever. Why didn't I think of that ?
FWIW I have MSFS with about $2,000 of extras, and it is very nice. Fantastic sandbox environment that I love playing in.
Having now tried the Beta XP12 with (already owned but atm unoptimised for XP12) Orbx TrueEarth, my true winner for appearance is XP12.
Using my RealSimGear GNS430 and 530 is a kludge in MSFS, but simple in XP.
MSFS has a stupid 'toy' perspective that wide-angle distorts the views of many aircraft so they just do not look like the represented aircraft if you are looking at one in real life (AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT).
Why, oh WHY Assobo can I not pan around my plane with the Hat Switch.
- Oh you can use the Drone, but then can't control you plane...
The default airport buildings in MSFS are very bland. Much better detailed default in XP12. I looked at several default airports in both sims.
Replay is kludgy in MSFS. Class leading replay in XP12. Clear, simple, flexible, and it just works. No need to wait a few years for it.
When I first got MSFS, I lived in an area with ADSL (no broadband) and the unstreamed scenery is still sh1t, but my True Earth, once installed, no longer needed any internet for full resolution. My current broadband, now I have moved, is flakey, so the photogrammetry is not always there in MSFS.
To my eye, XP12 with Orbx TrueEarth looks better and crisper than MSFS, and is now my favoured sim, that as it improves through Beta on to Release will only get better. My Simultator of choice.
MSFS is my favourite toy, with its lovely eye-candy (but which can be matched in XP12).
YMMV
You are blind as a bat
barely can be matched after spending unbearable amounts of money and storage for ground textures in small regions, and after Beta XP12 won't change much, all the stuff announced already made it into the sim, and the only thing that it's still in the works is better autogen and ground textures, which will still not be on par but at least better than it's current state, out of the box msfs beats xp12 by a landslide, even more so if you do the same thing of spending loads of money on it to improve it.
@@ishiddddd4783 Drive space is sooo cheap these days.
Anyway, my MSFS folder is 2x the size of my XP folder even with TrueEarth.
What's your point ?
FWIW, I don't know anybody who uses a vanilla OOB MSFS. Have you bought extras for your MSFS ?
Makes your argument rather moot.
@@wetland3010 not really, especially when out of the box msfs barely needs tweaking besides airports, at which point both simulators do, without the gigantic intake on storage of better ground textures/autogen, etc. the amount of money you can spend just to get hard drive storage extra can be spend in other stuff like addons or planes without worrying about the excesive amount of addons just so XP barely matches msfs.
The argument isn't moot since you still need a lot of storage and money just to make XP no longer have ps2 ground textures
@@wetland3010 if your point is add ons are required. Then MSFS will win the add on market as well. Not only on the widest choice that will be available, but also the higher quality.
😬 Some of these were no contest.
Could you make it with rain?
With Orthos, my XP looks way better than Vanilla. For me it is the perfect combination because Toliss/FF with BSS soundsets and XP physics are so much better than Fenix/PMDG. I happily accept the worse graphics.
Why spend so much more for less. There are less good things in XP and too make them better you have to pay for many many Adonis, hundreds of dollars, when you get all of them for only 60$ in MSFS by default
I agree. With Ortho and simheaven, Xplane 12 shits on msfs. These Xbox kids love the over vibrant arcadish look of msfs
@@gridhellsing uhm, yes that’s fine that people like the vibrant look of MSFS. That’s the whole reason people like it, because it makes you wanna live in the sim world, full of color, not the real dull world? And who said MSFS players were Xbox kids?
@@flyin_with_ryan the people who say that can’t believe XP physics don’t get applauded anymore. So try to downplay the quality of graphics in MSFS.
We are on 2023, not in 2020. This argument is not valid anymore@@gridhellsing
p3d is the best
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.............. no
Very fair comparison 🤪
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@@FULTONOFFICIALKFV bruh
How would it not be? It’s comparing mod free MSFS to mod free XP, and just shows that MSFS is so much better
When I want to play a game because of the visuals I play MSFS, but when I want to fly a simulator because of the real flight dynamics I go to to X Plane. Besides that. I own the copy on my PC or laptop without MS or Xbox telling me I can't install certain add-ons. All depends on our own tastings.
@@cessnapilot5905 yet msfs uses modern technology with physics thats better than xp
After last update Microsoft flt sim 2020 is Back full of bugs and copilot is back to crashing into mountains once again. Microsoft has always been mediocre when it comes to gaming software. the devs they hire with very little experience in developing gaming software can really screw things up. Microsoft should have cancelled this flight simulator like they cancelled there train sim and save us all a big headache. I am switching back to x plane a superior flt sim. By the way in flying mode I have noticed big patches of ground completely blurred out.
Can you do a comparison to true MSFS and XP12. In MSFS turn off photogrammetry and bing maps. The reason why I say that. Is xp 12 you can put satellite data in the sim as well. And in your videos you have none.
Next tune :)
Why turn off features that come right out of the box? That's like saying go to Xplane and lower all the sliders to the lowest graphical setting.
Yeah but the x plane satellite scenery doesn’t actually make the buildings look like real life it just places them in their real life places and downloading satellite scenery for explains takes up way too much space
@@up_syndrome3541 Way too much space and time as well.
@@activex7327 Exactly and while he's at it, turn off the default planes and the sounds too!
For sure, the MSFS sceneries/airports are much more detailed and have satelite ground textures, but they appear too synthetic and fancy. That does not make the airports of XP any better - no way, but the advantage isn´t too big in comparison to XP. Generally, it is comparing apples and pears; The focus in X-Plane is set to flight dynamics and physics. That makes that XP is definetely my choice of sim. And wait til XP gets new textures and an overall workaround of the scenery. The ground then will look different to each season of the year, and that will be the big advantage of textures vs. streamed satelite images. And don´t forget: XP is still beta, an early access.
Msfs20 es mejor con diferencia la demo de xplane 12 no me deja ni instalarlo en mi pc de todos modos no lo comprare para nada
X-Pane u cane use offline! And the Pro-Version is designed for official real aircraft training!
And if you do overseas flights we don’t care that much about scenery as most MS Gamers.
You are comparing David vs Goliath. And regarding flight physics and standard aircrafts X-Plane is way better.
Getting tiered of people making X-Plane bad just because it’s not using satellite pictures.
You should learn something about Laminar Research company. They don’t have much more than 10 people employed…
They should add more people to there team then maybe because there sim looks like trash. You and everyone same excuse is flight physics meanwhile MSFS Flight physics Dominate xplane 11 and 12. You need to do your research before you knock msfs buddy. On top of that, the payware cost a way to much considering there just porting over from XP11.
oh and also Mr. Know it all, you can use MSFS Offiline aswell and it still looks better than XP12.
im happy with msfs but think both do a good job
@@YerRBZ as Long the final version of xp12 is not available, any comparison is not fair!
AND for OFFLINE long distance flight MSFS needs to be online to be able to get the satellite pics.
But anyhow, finished!
@@StephanKempchen The final version of MSFS isn't available as well, its still being updated. I think your original post was childish. Some of you act like you are still in grade school.
if you want to stutter across the globe, get 2020. if you want a great flight model and a
super non stuttery flight experience and thousands of free addon scenery get xplane 12. the sim thats not an arcade game for play time pilots
Always the same speech of the XP fanboys, it's laughable and boring ^^
@@garilforgecoeur5644 no more than i would expect from an arcade pilot playing at flying big big planes cos mommy is fed up with clearing up your toys.
@@bryboyuk I don't think i'm a pilot, just a guy just a guy entertaining himself in front of a screen. A little humility is always helpful. I am 52 years old, my mother 89, my toys have been stored for a long time. You like XP's flight model more, but it's not "better" according to the pros.
@@garilforgecoeur5644 i,m 63 and lost my mother in 2006 i think we can both agree you never stop missing them. lets call a truce and agree to disagree. Bryan
msfs better
Yeah, fS kissA$$ I know of airports in FS 2020 that look like shoe boxes at night with lights in them LaGuardia is one of many and CODY Yellowstone airport in FS 2020 is not even close to the real airport. Many airports look great in X Plane and don't cost you $20 each.
Ez msfs
Xplane is a lot sharper, and the lighting is more realistic. MSFS is too blurry.
what 💀
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I hope you mean the XP is blurry and MSFS is sharp, maybe you should see an eye doctor
@@flyin_with_ryan It's true. Msfs has a blurry look to it at farther distances (especially the trees) the trees are also kinda opaque and solid looking, and while the photogrammetry is definitely superior, it does look less crisp than autogen.
In my opinion msfs has far better scenery and clouds, but xplane has more realistic lighting (though less cinematic) that deals with haze quite well. Msfs textures also often have a sick green tint often which is meh
You can not compare real life (msfs 2020) with minecradt (xplane12).... Is unfair 🤣
Fs2020 for graphic, xplane for real simulation, msfs lika a kids toy, plane control very easy, not cool.
And yet REAL pilots have been praising MSFS for it flight realism.
@@powerswitch135 true
There was a video I watch were a Cessna 172 compared things like stalls, sharp turns, and climbs and said that MSFS was a bit more accurate. I think people just got used to XP physics being the best and most realistic for it’s time, and therefore made it a baseline for sim physics
@HomeSchool Dre good, not all person same opinion, the same thing is a game to enjoy, i enjoyed play both sim , its very cool.
@HomeSchool Dre whatever its yours. its game , its the person who played enjoy it.