there is one moment i will always remember with old freddy because it was so sad yet so funny at the same time. i was on coldwind doing a generator when all of a sudden i started getting put to sleep. i decided to commit to the generator and hope to get a skillcheck to wake up and maybe get injured. The very second i was put into the dream world and freddy swung at me i failed a skillcheck and woke up allowing his hit to harmlessly pass through me. I couldn't stop laughing at the time but man just looking back on it thats sad.
I once went against an original Freddy who brought overcharge.. was kinda hilarious since you could just tap a gen he had damaged during a chase and you’re awake
The original idea was actually kinda cool, I just wish they did not screw it up so badly. Imagine if he had to put people to sleep, and they would be hindered and incapacitated during this time or if he had some way of making them exposed in the dreamworld, or some way to kill them much like condemned on the Onryo. Idk, the idea of them only seeing you or able to interact with you when asleep was kinda cool.
I saw a really good rework to Freddy on Reddit I don’t remember the persons name I’m just saying this isn’t my original idea Freddy now has two modes (much like old doctor) in both modes he can still M1 so don’t worry Dream Master mode: Freddy now pulls survivors into the dream world like he used to while survivors are falling asleep they suffer from the incapacitated status effect and are slowed by 15% once a survivor is asleep Freddy can attack them. survivors also suffer from the same debuffs as before (50% slower action speed) Dream warrior mode: press the secondary power button to switch to dream warrior mode where Freddy can switch between dream pallets and snares (like clowns bottles) Waking up: survivors can no longer wake up from failing a skillcheck survivors now need to go to their dream clock or allow a survivor to wake them up which takes 4 seconds and gets 4 second longer each time a survivor wakes you up
I think snares are better, but fake pallets are more fun and thematic for the character. *Survivor throws fake pallet* "Now you are the one who says 'Darn.'"
OG Freddy was really cool and how he should be. You couldn’t see him, like at all, until you were in Dream world. Best part was to watch people do loops without seeing Freddy and watching pallets breaking with no killer there.
@RooByrne They should have. Its what Freddy makes Freddy. Too many cry baby's just saying he was op. He was just another version of Wraith. He just had his own version of "Bing Bong." It is what it is now.
@RooByrne i wish they did. I hearing his foot steps and the singing was creepy enough, but the running around and watching survivors loop when you couldnt see the killer was really cool.
Its worth noting the dream transition phasing. Good players could use this to mindgame survivors at tiles landing hits and then combining that with aura reading for very effective hit and run. I do belive a whole 3 people realised this was possible which i think is a shame due to how unique it was. It was essentially a much stronger version of sadakos phasing with a full 1.7 second period of invisibility before becoming real after a short period, which became almost instant with sheep block.
Oh gee that was me haha. I loved that strategy along with monitor and abuse to reduce my radius even more and just keep putting people to sleep and it was like a constant BBQ. It still wasn’t great, but I found him genuinely fun and was pretty good. The new Freddy was/is cool. But I did miss the OG and playing that way.
I miss old freddy he was skillful but not strong and if you got old dying light off and just slugged it was so oppressive Ghostface never got to try moonlight offerings Freddy never got to try New Hemorrhage 😢
I remember doing something like this and even otz mentioned it once Actual freddy mains knew EXACTLY when he would be invisible/visible so survivors would see him going in a direction while flickering 2 times and then on the 3rd flick hes on you
Too bad only few people learned this. And i learned this from some friends tried the hit and run strat. And boom way more success. Personally i think the community is very much at fault here for being so narrowminded to not realizing freddy’s strength. If you were to ask me after i started maining hit and run freddy. I would say old freddy would be better than his current version. He could just tale the game hostage. Take away resources until survivors just died cause they couldn’t do anything. Freddy had the best stall in the game and was the one killer who didn’t need ruin if played hit and run. Also newer perks like lethal pursuer today would be fucking broken on him.
This was one of the keys to mastering old Freddy that most of the playerbase was averse to because they just want to unga bunga chase. Freddy was an actual hit-and-run killer who had tracking matched only by doctor and the best stalling in the game. I'll die on the hill that he was solid killer who's playstyle was misunderstood by the majority.
i'm so shocked you didnt talk about forever freddy, that was his redemption from being the worst killer to a killer that could drag games out for 30 mins+
I actually mained OG Freddy when he was first released and did quite well with him. Basically, his base kit was, survivors could not see you unless they were asleep. Period. If you were awake and Freddy was close, you could hear the lullaby and that was about it. It wasn't directional, so you really have very little clue where Freddy is coming from. Once asleep, (which took 7 seconds as was mentioned in the video) you can see Freddy and instead of a lullaby, you hear a Terror Radius like normal. However, Freddy's base kit Terror Radius was very small at 16 meters. And again, if you were asleep and outside Freddy's radius, he could see your aura. Not only that but Freddy had add-ons he could run that would reduce the chance of receiving skill checks considerably. We're talking like healing or doing a gen for 30-45+ seconds straight before seeing a skill check. It effectively made it so that the only 'reliable' way to wake up was from another non-sleeping survivor, effectively giving the sleeping survivor a massive and all but permanent speed reduction on healing, gen repairs etc. So, the key to playing Freddy was to simply run Monitor and Abuse. That was about it. It dropped your Terror Radius from 16m to ridiculously small 8m. You effectively had perma-wall hacks on sleeping survivors, so long as they were more than 8 meters away. It was like permanent Scratched Mirror Myers only you moved at 115 m/s and the fact that Freddy is a little dude, making him harder to spot over obstacles. I actually truly enjoyed playing Freddy when he first released because it incentivized a more 'sneak up and ambush' playstyle rather than the 'let's get in a chase and loop the killer as long as possible' playstyle we're all too familiar with. I did exceptionally well with Freddy in those first 2 weeks, even against good teams because of my approach to how I played him. I would intentionally drop chase and then come at survivors in ways they never expected because I could see them and they had no clue if you abandoned them completely (which I sometimes did) or if I was simply stalking them outside of Terror Radius range. And, by the time they heard the heartbeat, they had very little time to react to it because of how small it was and more often than not, it was too late and they'd take a hit or go down. It wasn't until after he got his nerf 2 weeks later that effectively ruined him as a killer. The biggest nerf didn't even have the most outcry, which was his nerfed Terror Radius, going from 16m to 24m. That told me that the majority of people playing Freddy were not playing him the same way I did because I knew that was the biggest nerf by far. I could no longer stalk survivors close by. I had to be over 16m out to see their auras and that assuming I was running Monitor and Abuse, making that ability worthless. And that was definitely when Freddy became undoubtedly the worst killer in the game. Up until that point though, he really wasn't that bad and I very much enjoyed playing him.
I Mained Freddy when I started as well, although I didn't start playing until November 2018 so he was already nerfed at this point. And I specifically remember being called "pay to win trash" so even after his nerfs there was outcry. Honestly was so disappointed they reworked him to the snorefest he is now. He was weak but still much more interesting than most killers even today. If they could incorporate some of his reworked abilities into the old system of pulling them into the Dreamworld I think he would be perfect. Maybe have survivors become incapacitated whilst transitioning into the dream world. Plus since not as many people run self care anymore the whole skillcheck thing wouldn't be an issue.
Also the review bombs for freddy were all from people with like 2 hours played XD. I started playing in this chapter and my first game ever was against a freddy which was really confusing, but the level of entitlement from survivors was staggering. DBD is a horror party game to play with your friends, not an Esport.
@@snaek2594 it's not a nowadays thing... It's a you thing. I usually play on PS4 and a friend has a gaming PC with DbD but doesn't play, I really wanted to play Nurse and Huntress there just to get a feel of it as I play killer on controller for more than 4 years now. I'm glad to announce the new player experience looks adorable still. The crouching around, the not saving, the hiding in lockers, the ones that just watched their first noob3 video and really want to be toxic without any of the skill, self care... At 30% percent speed... Only difference would be they actually learned to prioritize gens so though I steam rolled them with experience while learning the controls, they actually did a lot of gens. I genuinely felt like it was really chill and fun, but I'm sure some of the survivors were petrified
his old power could have been really fun if they just tweaked some numbers and gave him some sort of ability while survs are asleep. rn he doesn't feel like Freddy Krueger. He's just some guy in a freddy costume that can slow you down a bit.
There were a bunch of things old Freddy had that were kinda neat. For example, awake survivors could not bodyblock you on your way to the hook because they didn't collide with you. It was also very difficult to flashlight save against Freddy while awake because you couldn't see his body. Sadako is kind of new old Freddy now, both with how some parts of her power work and how weak she is in chase.
The idea of dragging people into the dream world is so interesting! I think if surivors had to enter the dream world to help other survivors who are already there that would have been really interesting, and if the dream world were a proper threat, something really dangerous, it could have been really cool. Having to weigh whether or not to take that risk, because if you don't your teammate(s) in the dream world are screwed, but if you do enter the dream world you're giving freddy exactly what he wants. This would definitely encourage tunneling, but in an interesting way in my opinion, as it makes tunneling a consequence rather than just a choice, I think having the survivors disappear after the unhook for a bit would be interesting. And having an aura reveal mechanic would allow those survivors to run away without having a moment of respite, knowing that freddy could come for them at any time, because they're in HIS world. He can see them everywhere. I think behaviour really missed the mark with not only his OG design, but his current design as well. And I wish they had gone down a more interesting route.
I always wondered why freddy wasnt invisible for awake survivors, and wondered if they had ever tried making people only die in thier sleep, looks like they honestly tried.
I remember to this day the most infuriating match i've ever played in any PvP game. It was sharp hand joe after the reverse buffs he got. There was just nothing that i could've done to win that match, survivors could just rescue in my face, then run away and effortlessly win the match while clicking flashlights. Fun times
Survivors, thats how, its funny how freddy's nerf could be seen as the first time the survivors would inflate numbers and throw massive temper tantrums to get what they wanted, and the fact it worked for so many years is quite sad on bhvr's part
Let's be honest for a minute. He'd still be weak with his original power and add-ons in current DBD. So many other killers easily outclass his abilities
Actually the problem is them not knowing how fix a minor problem all they needed to do is fix his slow down build they didn't need to do the extra remember it was still old ruin
I really liked original Freddy, the concept of him always knowing where you were in the dream world wouldn't fit in modern dbd but it felt like a very nice playstyle.
I think Freddy needs a power that is not only true to his character but also fun and not too weak. Sadako and Pinhead are great examples for something like that imo.
The worst part of Freddy's old kit was if he brought two certain add ons to his power, skill checks where almost impossible to get or trigger. Because both add one reduced the likelihood of skill checks appearing. Being someone who played at that time. That was a really horrible build for survivors to fight against, as survivors outside of his terror radius could be chased off the moment they tried to wake up.
As someone who played a lot of both killer and survivor during that patch the biggest issue with old Freddy was if he wanted to tunnel you he’d always know where you are due to the aura or having to fail a skill check that gives your position away it wasn’t like a healthy experience. Going against billy was definitely harder but it felt better to go against then most Freddy players.
Add in that freddy had add ons that made skillchecks incredibly rare and while he was never good. He was incredibly annoying for survivors if he ran the one good build he had and a snoozefest of a killer because you just become sharp hand joe
Loving these kind of videos man. Would love to see one on Killers like Billy and Hag who were once strong killers but got left behind with the game changing and more killers being added. I remember the days were hag was seen a good amount of times but now they're a rare breed.
@@jarpyr6791 she can still be strong with the right add-ons and build but that doesn't change the fact that she was once seen a decent amount of times but now she's rare. It's been like a month or two since I've seen her.
@@enbyrogue3740 nurse on console isn’t as hard as people make her seem if I can play nurse consistently well on a standard Xbox controller then it must not be that bad
@@blightchip4236 Oh I agree, but the lack of sensitivity makes her not as friendly to learn for new players. Hag is more forgiving and is strong, so she's console Nurse
I've played DBD on and off for a few years. But very recently got more into the game. Pretty nice so far. Sometimes there are matches where everyone is in sync, even if it's solo queue. Other times, people are hiding on the other side of the map and not doing gens. Sometimes there are killers who give hatch or respect the glyphs. Other times, there are mains who tunnel out at 5 gens, camp, and hit on hook. Haven't encountered too much toxicity yet. Aside from the few meh matches. Mixed bag, but mostly positive.
I remember I got back into DbD a while after Freddy's rework. I had stopped playing on console when Freddy still couldn't attack survivors who were awake. I got the game on PC again and didn't know about Freddy's rework until my first game against him. Let's just say I learned about the rework pretty quick.
Even though he's better now, I still prefer the "feel" of his old kit. Holding M2 to put them to sleep felt so good to do. How I would have reworked Freddy/Nightmare would have been the following power: The Nightmare begins the match in the Dream World. Survivors who are not Dreaming cannot see The Nightmare or his red stain while he is in the Dream World. Survivors who are Dreaming can see The Nightmare only while he is in the Dream World. Survivors who are not Dreaming cannot see Survivors that are Dreaming while The Nightmare is in the Dream World. Survivors who are Dreaming can see other Survivors normally, even if they themselves cannot be seen. The Nightmare cannot attack Survivors that are not Dreaming while he is in the Dream World, and he cannot attack Survivors that are Dreaming while he is not inside the Dream World. When The Nightmare injures a Survivor within the Dream World, both he and the Survivor are sent back to the Real World. While a Survivor is in the Dream World, they cannot interact with Generators, Totems, Chests, or the Exit Gates. _After 20 seconds of Dreaming, unhooking another survivor, or healing another survivor by one health state, the Dreaming Survivor will awaken and return to the Real World. This timer pauses if the Dreaming Survivor is being chased by The Nightmare._ *M2 Ability:* The Nightmare lifts up his right hand and, after a short delay, causes all Survivors within 8/12/16 meters of him not currently Dreaming to begin Dreaming based on how long this ability was held. This ability has a 30 second cooldown. _While holding the ability button, The Nightmare is Hindered by 35%._ *CTRL Ability:* While against a wall or otherwise solid object, this ability can be activated. When activated, The Nightmare will walk into the terrain, shifting between the Dream World and the Real World. The transition is instantaneous, however, The Nightmare can choose to traverse freely within the terrain to connected areas before exiting using the Space Button. Additionally, The Nightmare may instead choose to attack from the terrain, exiting it in the process. _While inside of terrain, The Nightmare's aura cannot be seen._ This kit would accentuate the Dream World aspect of his theme. When he's in the Dream World, he cannot be seen by Survivors who are not Dreaming, but he also can't harm them unless he reveals himself or he brings them into the Dream World. To switch between worlds, he would have to walk into a wall and use the secondary power button (CTRL on keyboard) to walk into it, giving him the ability to freely move around in that wall or other similar object (like a tree) and even do a sneak attack from within it. It would take planning to do the sneak attack though, as the attack rules still apply and if you go into the Dream World while chasing someone in the Real World and try to attack them, it won't land; visa-versa for going from the Dream World to the Real World and trying to hit a Dreaming Survivor. It would help him segregate the Survivors from eachother for short spans of time, giving him built in slow-down, stealth, and map traversal tools.
I remember the sharp hand joe days of DbD. As well as how much you used to quote that joke earlier in your RUclips career. I still wish they'd make an add on that turns Freddy into old Freddy. I used to play him tons just to learn chases as I had no power other than mind games to get hits. Good fun, even if you got darned on
I remember playing OG freddy and running up to a 4 stack on a gen... they just repeatedly failed skillchecks when then went to sleep and did an entire gen in my face x,D
I really enjoyed playing Freddy when he was first released. The ability of being invisible and putting survivors to sleep was a very cool idea and was really strong against survivors grouping up
The extreme irony of “””Forever Freddy””” is the fact that his slowdown potential with those addons was basically just what we now have as default gen speeds… such a ridiculous nerf.
11:10 one thing i never understood back then was how those lower tier players would also be more likely miss skill checks here and there, but never figured it wakes them up.
When I started playing in early 2019 and I went against my first Freddy and I was playing with the really toxic and salty guy who was had been playing the game for year longer than me and he called Freddy op and messaged the killer to go off Himself he unfriended me after I explained to him that Freddy has an anti power because he can’t even damage you without giving you a head start
Ngl I really want old Freddy back. I mained him and- while he was definitely weak, he had genuine strengths that a lot of people didn't appreciate. His hit and run power was intense, and he was a king of game delay- holding long games was his thing. Maybe a mix of the new and old? Invisible at all times and have to drag survivors to sleep, but it takes 3 seconds- they are visible if outside his terror radius after 20 seconds, and he can still teleport to gens and lay traps? Makes him a bit more like the old while still being good enough?
I remember original freddy. His coolest bit was that if you're asleep, your aura is shown to him if you're not within immediate range, and you could just hold the dream beam as you go until it activates to locate a survivor. But yeah, it was quite painful. Funny thing was that I got dbd to play as freddy. I'm not competitive or anything so I still generally had a good time.
@@Keygentlemen I remember when I came back to dbd after they did the freddy changes and was so confused why I couldn't see survivors anymore or beam them into the dream world. I couldn't just hold out my dream beam until I popped someone off. It was jarring. And even if freddy was weaker, I agree, he was fun. Very immersive.
As a freddy main, that already mained freddy when he was at his sharp hand joe time. My opinion on snares or fake pallets is pretty simple. Objectively i think dream snares are more powerful than pallets. There are certain maps where you would have to break a pallet in order to set up a dream pallet. so dreampallets have the disadvantage on many maps that you need to run stuff like brutal in order to keep up with the survivors who just run from pallet to pallet and throw them down instantly with no counterplay nor anti-loop. That beeing said, i play with fake pallets. :D They are much worse than the dream snares BUT the biggest factor about the dream pallets is the wonderful moment of survivors that are injured, running to the next pallet they see, feeling so safe that you cant catch them while you know this pallet is fake. these lovely moments make me take dream pallets. Dream pallets however could have a huge impact on the game if they were slightly stronger, like removing the cap of only having 7 dream pallets. that would make the endgame stronger. but survivors will found out the counterplay to not use pallets in the endgame anymore to loop. Thats my opinion about the dream snare or fake pallets situation with freddy. edit: darn.
I prefer fake pallets because I always use enduring / spirit fury so I delete most pallets quickly and make good use of the power. Usually comes in really handy during half time to the end of the match.
I liked the original version where you had lure them to sleep to attack them, they should of kept that but given buffs etc. I hope they allow you to choose between the two versions and also release a Robert England voice with him providing dialogue.
I love the fake pallets because it messes with people after I destroy the pallet and put a new one. People instantly try to loop it again only for the realization of im lunging at their palllet camp waiting for them to drop it only to instantly break and they are downed
I specifically remember playing old freddy and a survivor complaining in my dms that he was op. It was on that day i stopped taking anything any survivors say seriously. Most of them genuinely dont understand the game even to this day
I remember back in the days when I got a full 4-man sweaty group while I was playing Freddy, they all got Petrified Oak, used to reduce the number of hooks and not the distance. I had no chance, they're was like 2-3 hooks in the entire map, they were always together so when you down one you had to immediatly sleep the others or else they would start to mend the downed survivor and it made you unable to pick it up, that was an awful problem and what really pissed me off with old Freddy, you down someone and if a survivor started helping the guy you couldnt stop him if he was not sleeping and 7 secondes was enough time to heal a downed survivor.
I feel like this missed a a chance with freddy, image if hitting putting you to sleep also messed with your ui when in dream, such as not showing the perk timers properly or displaying de buffs that aren't actually there messing with survivors and mind, making it even more important to get those clocks.
Watching Monto play OG Freddy is what brought me to DBD, he made Freddy look very strong. It just goes to show you if you learn how to play a killer correctly, it won't matter how weak they are (to an extent).
I'd love to hear your opinion on the Artist and Dredge - why are they so unpopular? They are good at chasing and map control, have amazing visual design, but hardly anyone plays them.
Artist is an interesting one, as she has everything outside of build in slowdown in her kit. Dredge, iunno, killer to me just looks like a turkey. Also made Sadako obsolete the very next chapter after she came out. As well as being probably the biggest let down anniversary chapter in recent history. Several stigmas against him, I suppose.
Artist is really difficult (at a high level), which makes a lot of killers not want to play her. Also, her power isn't as exciting as some other strong killers, so people often don't want to play her. Then again I say this as an Artist main, so there might be other reasons.
Hot take. Freddy was not as weak as people claimed he was, but thats because no one except like 7 people played him hit and run trying to keep everyone asleep at all times. I will also say if old freddy existed today he would very high up on the tierlist due to perks and how his biggest counter self care has been removed from any relevance.
I think Freddy should have the ability to use fake pallets and dream snares and every gen should spurt blood so survivors don’t know and have to gamble if he’s teleporting to thier gen
And the fact that object would just reveal Freddy's aura pretty much the entire game while you were in the dream realm, making you near uncatchable in chase.
I still remember when the trailer first dropped I was so excited and I remember playing and trying to hit people and I was like "wtf how come I can't hit them ???" only to realize the needed to be asleep
My idea would have been to increase his Base Movement Speed. Then after putting a Survivor into the dreamworld you would just use that Speed to catch Survivors. Also it would be great for Map Mobility.
Crazy power Idea: Freddy-Pallets. The texture of all undropped pallets on the map are changed to freddys skin for dreaming survivors. And they have freddy's face on it. While they are not dropped, Freddy can teleport and become a Freddy-pallet and if a survivor is nearby, he can injure them. This forces dreaming survivors to either avoid pallets or drop them early, leaving a little bit of counter play for the cost of resources.
What i believe they could have done to freddy was make him invisible, takes 5 seconds to put someone in a dream state, only make him able to do so if a player doesn’t move 15 ft from where it started in those 5 seconds (the survivor being unaware they are being put to sleep) then freddy gains a movement speed (he can only attack players in dream state although he can put multiple people in dream state) taking someone out of dream state takes 5 seconds , if everyone is in dream state it takes 10 seconds, after being downed you get out of dream state, have some passive where he gets to tier 3 after putting enough people in dream states where he unlocks teleporting to gens/ and tier 3 being everyone is now in sleep state for the rest of game
TBH i miss old freddy. I remember using class photo all the time before his rework. (Class Photo would reveal everyones aura while a survivor is falling asleep)
I can still remember the days of people bringing remember me and dyling light and just flat out using the green mori and killing your obsession right away
I Remember playing Freddy with Dying Light, Thanatophobia, and Hex Ruin survivor literally don't bother with generators at all, they just wait 3 people died and find the hatch, good times.
OG Freddy is cool wish they can work off that more cause knowing that Survivor's can't see you but hear the lullaby with Grass moving an Pallets breaking was Amazing
I hate how people forget that pre-rework freddy has also permanent wallhack on asleep survs, 50% slowdown on all actions regarding asleep survs and 6% higher regress from missed skillchecks of asleep survs
I started playing in late 2020, so after Freddy's first rework but before the second. He was pretty omnipresent in solo queue and it took me a long ass time to successfully escape from him. I have yet to see another killer get nuked so heavily in my time playing. He went from low A tier and extremely common to basically D tier with very little to recommend him. Since I still play solo queue I still breathe something of a sigh of relief thinking how he used to be ... but also I think Pinhead has basically taken his place in the past meta with his map pressure and anti loop. At least he has no equivalent to Forever Freddy.
first killer I ever bought and enjoyed grinding through mid rank. I was a slightly better than casual player but got destroyed by red rank at the time. I abandoned freddy in mid rank later on just cause survivor got so much easier I felt like every game was an uphill battle of me going 110% tryhard vs random survivors just all getting out
Old Remember Me + old Dying Light along with NOED and Bitter Murmur was nuts if you could quickly stack and mori the obsession. If the rest of the survivors are all healed + asleep and the obsession is dead during endgame there was literally nothing they could do to open those gates in time.
I've been playing DBD as a killer main for around 4 years. Recently grinded to Iridescent 1. Just discovered your channel and it is super interesting to hear some of the history of DBD. Awesome videos man.
Range add-ons were mandatory for old Freddy. Double range add-ons made his reach somewhere around 30 meters or so. Basically just scan the map putting people to sleep. Since Freddy could see survivors outside his terror radius, he could keep tabs on them while chasing another survivor. He could then put that survivor failing a skill check to sleep almost immediately.
it was other add-on were mandatory for him. He had these add-on that reduce skill-check chance by large amount. He did not need range add-on because with monitor&abuse. he had 16 meter terror radius, it worked like his lullaby. You could easily approach any survivor to put them to sleep, but with 7 second sleep timer and 3 second slowdown, you had to leave them alone. Chase another survivor put them to sleep, see the aura of survivor you previously slept who is trying wake up and now sneak up on them while reading their aura.
I was part of the killer exodus a large portion of the dbd killers got together lead by tayna and big black mori and we all review bombed it to absolute hell if my memory serves me right it was when the nerfs where announced we killer mains where fucking livid cause ready was already weak as hell and then they nerfed him only a week after his release and we knew why it was the casual players witch alot of us said in our reviews. it really hurt tbh and alot of us did drop being killer or drop the game all together. also it was made in the mass review bombing that we keep it civil and to the point and explain our greviouses.
I'm partial to fake pallets. At my skill tier, survivor's first instinct is to run to the nearest pallet. Surprise! It's fake and you just stood still for 3 seconds.
I loved and mained original freddy. He had addons which stopped people waking up from failed skill checks and made people fall asleep after 5 second too. He was cheesy but more powerful than this video suggests
I actually love the idea that Freddy can't hurt you unless you're in the dream world. Super fitting and in character. But yeah they would have to make some sort of other balance to getting survivors IN that dream world and/or preventing them from leaving it on demand.
Bhvr come out with a stat on Freddy games and it was like low rank would get killed 89% while high rank was like 15% kill rate and they came out and said he was to oppressive on lower ranks and decided to nerf him. Imo they wanted to try and keep newer players who would be more likely to not come back over regular players at the time
I really do hope that Freddy gets a rework that will make him strong again but not too strong, because if they make him too strong, we're generally repeating history where survivors are gonna complain again. However, although Freddy is weak yet he is still pretty decent at the game, ever since I started playing DBD, he was my first main to use and I still continue to use him time to time. He's not a simple a killer to use, it takes strategy to use him where to place snares to help during chase, and using your teleportation power to traverse or use it during chase if a survivor is approaching the gen to down them quickly. Even faking the teleport can sometimes work, the problem with Freddy is his addons are really weak, yet he still has decent gameplay, it just takes strategy
I remember after the rework, they nerfed him again (making that the clocks give you immunity to being dragged asleep after being hit for some time) because there were still people calling him too strong. > . > Darn..
I remember playing this version of freddy and making him my main. I have a couple games of this up on my youtube too. I just thought it was so cool how much he sorta felt like freddy.
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there is one moment i will always remember with old freddy because it was so sad yet so funny at the same time. i was on coldwind doing a generator when all of a sudden i started getting put to sleep. i decided to commit to the generator and hope to get a skillcheck to wake up and maybe get injured. The very second i was put into the dream world and freddy swung at me i failed a skillcheck and woke up allowing his hit to harmlessly pass through me. I couldn't stop laughing at the time but man just looking back on it thats sad.
despite it's horrible balance, OG freddy was certainly movie accuracte.
I once went against an original Freddy who brought overcharge.. was kinda hilarious since you could just tap a gen he had damaged during a chase and you’re awake
@@benebersole3038that’s what I was thinking lol
Well to be fair he was the best stealth killer. He was so good at being sneaky you never saw him in a lobby
Except when people found the 2 min door opening glitch were it would extend the time it took to open the gates with add-ons, being asleep etc.
Darn
I wanna like this comment but it's at 666.
You can't see killers in lobbies?
@@everythingpony he meant that nobody played him
The original idea was actually kinda cool, I just wish they did not screw it up so badly. Imagine if he had to put people to sleep, and they would be hindered and incapacitated during this time or if he had some way of making them exposed in the dreamworld, or some way to kill them much like condemned on the Onryo. Idk, the idea of them only seeing you or able to interact with you when asleep was kinda cool.
I saw a really good rework to Freddy on Reddit I don’t remember the persons name I’m just saying this isn’t my original idea
Freddy now has two modes (much like old doctor) in both modes he can still M1 so don’t worry
Dream Master mode: Freddy now pulls survivors into the dream world like he used to while survivors are falling asleep they suffer from the incapacitated status effect and are slowed by 15% once a survivor is asleep Freddy can attack them. survivors also suffer from the same debuffs as before (50% slower action speed)
Dream warrior mode: press the secondary power button to switch to dream warrior mode where Freddy can switch between dream pallets and snares (like clowns bottles)
Waking up: survivors can no longer wake up from failing a skillcheck survivors now need to go to their dream clock or allow a survivor to wake them up which takes 4 seconds and gets 4 second longer each time a survivor wakes you up
It was cool, but very shite.
a cool idea would be that if you sent them to the dream world they would be exposed or just basic attack them
They should’ve done something where you can extend your arms like in the first movie
I wish they would bring him back and rework it so it would be much stronger and match dbd now a days
“The entity said it’s my turn to get a rework” - The seven Freddy mains in the realm
I’m one of the seven Freddy mains🥲
3 of them are just afk m1 bots :(
darn
Old Freddy was the only killer I found fun. Now I live vicariously through Otz if I have a need for killer gameplay. RIP THE GOAT
@@keeganconnally4141 me too. But I enjoy playing as him.
I think snares are better, but fake pallets are more fun and thematic for the character.
*Survivor throws fake pallet*
"Now you are the one who says 'Darn.'"
Thanks Senator, very cool.
Thanks, Senator Steven Armstrong! Funny meme.
Bravo, Vince!
OG Freddy was really cool and how he should be. You couldn’t see him, like at all, until you were in Dream world. Best part was to watch people do loops without seeing Freddy and watching pallets breaking with no killer there.
@RooByrne They should have. Its what Freddy makes Freddy. Too many cry baby's just saying he was op. He was just another version of Wraith. He just had his own version of "Bing Bong." It is what it is now.
@@YourBoyWang uh nobody said he was op. He was legit one of the worst killers in the game lol.
@@snawbird3587 unless they're noobs during his release. This video already said about it lol
@RooByrne i wish they did. I hearing his foot steps and the singing was creepy enough, but the running around and watching survivors loop when you couldnt see the killer was really cool.
@@YourBoyWang NO ONE said Freddy was op. He was sooo bad they had to rework him. You don't know what you're talking about
Its worth noting the dream transition phasing. Good players could use this to mindgame survivors at tiles landing hits and then combining that with aura reading for very effective hit and run. I do belive a whole 3 people realised this was possible which i think is a shame due to how unique it was. It was essentially a much stronger version of sadakos phasing with a full 1.7 second period of invisibility before becoming real after a short period, which became almost instant with sheep block.
Oh gee that was me haha. I loved that strategy along with monitor and abuse to reduce my radius even more and just keep putting people to sleep and it was like a constant BBQ. It still wasn’t great, but I found him genuinely fun and was pretty good.
The new Freddy was/is cool. But I did miss the OG and playing that way.
I miss old freddy he was skillful but not strong and if you got old dying light off and just slugged it was so oppressive
Ghostface never got to try moonlight offerings
Freddy never got to try New Hemorrhage 😢
I remember doing something like this and even otz mentioned it once
Actual freddy mains knew EXACTLY when he would be invisible/visible so survivors would see him going in a direction while flickering 2 times and then on the 3rd flick hes on you
Too bad only few people learned this. And i learned this from some friends tried the hit and run strat. And boom way more success. Personally i think the community is very much at fault here for being so narrowminded to not realizing freddy’s strength. If you were to ask me after i started maining hit and run freddy. I would say old freddy would be better than his current version. He could just tale the game hostage. Take away resources until survivors just died cause they couldn’t do anything. Freddy had the best stall in the game and was the one killer who didn’t need ruin if played hit and run. Also newer perks like lethal pursuer today would be fucking broken on him.
This was one of the keys to mastering old Freddy that most of the playerbase was averse to because they just want to unga bunga chase.
Freddy was an actual hit-and-run killer who had tracking matched only by doctor and the best stalling in the game. I'll die on the hill that he was solid killer who's playstyle was misunderstood by the majority.
i'm so shocked you didnt talk about forever freddy, that was his redemption from being the worst killer to a killer that could drag games out for 30 mins+
damn you had 30 min matches before😂
Now every killer can be their forever version with eruption overcharge COB
Rip eruption lol
@@tomatoes100 at the end of the day its the only way to counter the new gen rush method, other perks against good survs are generally useless
Darn
darn
I actually mained OG Freddy when he was first released and did quite well with him.
Basically, his base kit was, survivors could not see you unless they were asleep. Period. If you were awake and Freddy was close, you could hear the lullaby and that was about it. It wasn't directional, so you really have very little clue where Freddy is coming from. Once asleep, (which took 7 seconds as was mentioned in the video) you can see Freddy and instead of a lullaby, you hear a Terror Radius like normal. However, Freddy's base kit Terror Radius was very small at 16 meters. And again, if you were asleep and outside Freddy's radius, he could see your aura. Not only that but Freddy had add-ons he could run that would reduce the chance of receiving skill checks considerably. We're talking like healing or doing a gen for 30-45+ seconds straight before seeing a skill check. It effectively made it so that the only 'reliable' way to wake up was from another non-sleeping survivor, effectively giving the sleeping survivor a massive and all but permanent speed reduction on healing, gen repairs etc.
So, the key to playing Freddy was to simply run Monitor and Abuse. That was about it. It dropped your Terror Radius from 16m to ridiculously small 8m. You effectively had perma-wall hacks on sleeping survivors, so long as they were more than 8 meters away. It was like permanent Scratched Mirror Myers only you moved at 115 m/s and the fact that Freddy is a little dude, making him harder to spot over obstacles. I actually truly enjoyed playing Freddy when he first released because it incentivized a more 'sneak up and ambush' playstyle rather than the 'let's get in a chase and loop the killer as long as possible' playstyle we're all too familiar with.
I did exceptionally well with Freddy in those first 2 weeks, even against good teams because of my approach to how I played him. I would intentionally drop chase and then come at survivors in ways they never expected because I could see them and they had no clue if you abandoned them completely (which I sometimes did) or if I was simply stalking them outside of Terror Radius range. And, by the time they heard the heartbeat, they had very little time to react to it because of how small it was and more often than not, it was too late and they'd take a hit or go down. It wasn't until after he got his nerf 2 weeks later that effectively ruined him as a killer. The biggest nerf didn't even have the most outcry, which was his nerfed Terror Radius, going from 16m to 24m. That told me that the majority of people playing Freddy were not playing him the same way I did because I knew that was the biggest nerf by far. I could no longer stalk survivors close by. I had to be over 16m out to see their auras and that assuming I was running Monitor and Abuse, making that ability worthless. And that was definitely when Freddy became undoubtedly the worst killer in the game. Up until that point though, he really wasn't that bad and I very much enjoyed playing him.
Woah buddy slow down
@@DrNani About what?
I Mained Freddy when I started as well, although I didn't start playing until November 2018 so he was already nerfed at this point. And I specifically remember being called "pay to win trash" so even after his nerfs there was outcry.
Honestly was so disappointed they reworked him to the snorefest he is now. He was weak but still much more interesting than most killers even today. If they could incorporate some of his reworked abilities into the old system of pulling them into the Dreamworld I think he would be perfect. Maybe have survivors become incapacitated whilst transitioning into the dream world. Plus since not as many people run self care anymore the whole skillcheck thing wouldn't be an issue.
If they combined Freddy’s old power into his current one I think he be a really interesting killer
You can do well with any killer. Doesn't change the fact that he was poorly designed.
Also the review bombs for freddy were all from people with like 2 hours played XD. I started playing in this chapter and my first game ever was against a freddy which was really confusing, but the level of entitlement from survivors was staggering.
DBD is a horror party game to play with your friends, not an Esport.
Yeah it's more esport than horror nowadays. I used to be proper scared when I played DBD.
@@snaek2594 it's not a nowadays thing... It's a you thing. I usually play on PS4 and a friend has a gaming PC with DbD but doesn't play, I really wanted to play Nurse and Huntress there just to get a feel of it as I play killer on controller for more than 4 years now.
I'm glad to announce the new player experience looks adorable still. The crouching around, the not saving, the hiding in lockers, the ones that just watched their first noob3 video and really want to be toxic without any of the skill, self care... At 30% percent speed... Only difference would be they actually learned to prioritize gens so though I steam rolled them with experience while learning the controls, they actually did a lot of gens. I genuinely felt like it was really chill and fun, but I'm sure some of the survivors were petrified
yeah they were from people who were bad at the game. OG Freddy was really good at destroying bad players
Yeah, DBD is just supposed to be a scary party game. Then aspie nerds ruined it by making it League or Overwatch
@@staticcharm3808 don't diss aspies we don't claim them
his old power could have been really fun if they just tweaked some numbers and gave him some sort of ability while survs are asleep. rn he doesn't feel like Freddy Krueger. He's just some guy in a freddy costume that can slow you down a bit.
He's Sharp Hand Joe
@@zboy1152 well said
There were a bunch of things old Freddy had that were kinda neat. For example, awake survivors could not bodyblock you on your way to the hook because they didn't collide with you. It was also very difficult to flashlight save against Freddy while awake because you couldn't see his body. Sadako is kind of new old Freddy now, both with how some parts of her power work and how weak she is in chase.
The idea of dragging people into the dream world is so interesting! I think if surivors had to enter the dream world to help other survivors who are already there that would have been really interesting, and if the dream world were a proper threat, something really dangerous, it could have been really cool. Having to weigh whether or not to take that risk, because if you don't your teammate(s) in the dream world are screwed, but if you do enter the dream world you're giving freddy exactly what he wants.
This would definitely encourage tunneling, but in an interesting way in my opinion, as it makes tunneling a consequence rather than just a choice, I think having the survivors disappear after the unhook for a bit would be interesting. And having an aura reveal mechanic would allow those survivors to run away without having a moment of respite, knowing that freddy could come for them at any time, because they're in HIS world. He can see them everywhere.
I think behaviour really missed the mark with not only his OG design, but his current design as well. And I wish they had gone down a more interesting route.
I always wondered why freddy wasnt invisible for awake survivors, and wondered if they had ever tried making people only die in thier sleep, looks like they honestly tried.
I remember to this day the most infuriating match i've ever played in any PvP game. It was sharp hand joe after the reverse buffs he got.
There was just nothing that i could've done to win that match, survivors could just rescue in my face, then run away and effortlessly win the match while clicking flashlights.
Fun times
It was soooooo fun seeing survivors run out the gates and still being unhittable
darn
years ago, i died to an old freddy, and here i thought getting downed by a sniper huntress was humiliating
Survivors, thats how, its funny how freddy's nerf could be seen as the first time the survivors would inflate numbers and throw massive temper tantrums to get what they wanted, and the fact it worked for so many years is quite sad on bhvr's part
Good!!! Freddy was irky
Let's be honest for a minute. He'd still be weak with his original power and add-ons in current DBD. So many other killers easily outclass his abilities
Actually the problem is them not knowing how fix a minor problem all they needed to do is fix his slow down build they didn't need to do the extra remember it was still old ruin
Why u gotta say it like it was all of us i was sad at the rework to his power 😢
Fr fr survivors held BHVR on a leash
These videos are super cool. A lot of the games history gets forgotten in context and looking back like this makes it feel so much more interesting.
I’m in tears about him being called “Sharp Hand Joe” that’s the funniest shit I’ve ever heard
I really liked original Freddy, the concept of him always knowing where you were in the dream world wouldn't fit in modern dbd but it felt like a very nice playstyle.
I think Freddy needs a power that is not only true to his character but also fun and not too weak. Sadako and Pinhead are great examples for something like that imo.
Ghostie also has a power true to his charactet
I mean I guess it's cool they brought back the ability to put survivors to sleep with the addition of Skull Merchant
the second I saw the "Sharp Hand Joe" image I broke into straight up joker laughter
The worst part of Freddy's old kit was if he brought two certain add ons to his power, skill checks where almost impossible to get or trigger. Because both add one reduced the likelihood of skill checks appearing. Being someone who played at that time. That was a really horrible build for survivors to fight against, as survivors outside of his terror radius could be chased off the moment they tried to wake up.
As someone who played a lot of both killer and survivor during that patch the biggest issue with old Freddy was if he wanted to tunnel you he’d always know where you are due to the aura or having to fail a skill check that gives your position away it wasn’t like a healthy experience. Going against billy was definitely harder but it felt better to go against then most Freddy players.
Add in that freddy had add ons that made skillchecks incredibly rare and while he was never good. He was incredibly annoying for survivors if he ran the one good build he had and a snoozefest of a killer because you just become sharp hand joe
Loving these kind of videos man. Would love to see one on Killers like Billy and Hag who were once strong killers but got left behind with the game changing and more killers being added. I remember the days were hag was seen a good amount of times but now they're a rare breed.
Hag is still very strong
@@jarpyr6791 she can still be strong with the right add-ons and build but that doesn't change the fact that she was once seen a decent amount of times but now she's rare. It's been like a month or two since I've seen her.
@@jarpyr6791 She retains her reputation as console Nurse for me. She's strong, but if you're playing PC just play Nurse
@@enbyrogue3740 nurse on console isn’t as hard as people make her seem if I can play nurse consistently well on a standard Xbox controller then it must not be that bad
@@blightchip4236 Oh I agree, but the lack of sensitivity makes her not as friendly to learn for new players. Hag is more forgiving and is strong, so she's console Nurse
I've played DBD on and off for a few years. But very recently got more into the game. Pretty nice so far. Sometimes there are matches where everyone is in sync, even if it's solo queue. Other times, people are hiding on the other side of the map and not doing gens. Sometimes there are killers who give hatch or respect the glyphs. Other times, there are mains who tunnel out at 5 gens, camp, and hit on hook. Haven't encountered too much toxicity yet. Aside from the few meh matches. Mixed bag, but mostly positive.
I remember I got back into DbD a while after Freddy's rework. I had stopped playing on console when Freddy still couldn't attack survivors who were awake. I got the game on PC again and didn't know about Freddy's rework until my first game against him. Let's just say I learned about the rework pretty quick.
Even though he's better now, I still prefer the "feel" of his old kit. Holding M2 to put them to sleep felt so good to do.
How I would have reworked Freddy/Nightmare would have been the following power:
The Nightmare begins the match in the Dream World.
Survivors who are not Dreaming cannot see The Nightmare or his red stain while he is in the Dream World.
Survivors who are Dreaming can see The Nightmare only while he is in the Dream World.
Survivors who are not Dreaming cannot see Survivors that are Dreaming while The Nightmare is in the Dream World.
Survivors who are Dreaming can see other Survivors normally, even if they themselves cannot be seen.
The Nightmare cannot attack Survivors that are not Dreaming while he is in the Dream World, and he cannot attack Survivors that are Dreaming while he is not inside the Dream World.
When The Nightmare injures a Survivor within the Dream World, both he and the Survivor are sent back to the Real World.
While a Survivor is in the Dream World, they cannot interact with Generators, Totems, Chests, or the Exit Gates.
_After 20 seconds of Dreaming, unhooking another survivor, or healing another survivor by one health state, the Dreaming Survivor will awaken and return to the Real World. This timer pauses if the Dreaming Survivor is being chased by The Nightmare._
*M2 Ability:* The Nightmare lifts up his right hand and, after a short delay, causes all Survivors within 8/12/16 meters of him not currently Dreaming to begin Dreaming based on how long this ability was held. This ability has a 30 second cooldown. _While holding the ability button, The Nightmare is Hindered by 35%._
*CTRL Ability:* While against a wall or otherwise solid object, this ability can be activated. When activated, The Nightmare will walk into the terrain, shifting between the Dream World and the Real World. The transition is instantaneous, however, The Nightmare can choose to traverse freely within the terrain to connected areas before exiting using the Space Button. Additionally, The Nightmare may instead choose to attack from the terrain, exiting it in the process. _While inside of terrain, The Nightmare's aura cannot be seen._
This kit would accentuate the Dream World aspect of his theme. When he's in the Dream World, he cannot be seen by Survivors who are not Dreaming, but he also can't harm them unless he reveals himself or he brings them into the Dream World. To switch between worlds, he would have to walk into a wall and use the secondary power button (CTRL on keyboard) to walk into it, giving him the ability to freely move around in that wall or other similar object (like a tree) and even do a sneak attack from within it. It would take planning to do the sneak attack though, as the attack rules still apply and if you go into the Dream World while chasing someone in the Real World and try to attack them, it won't land; visa-versa for going from the Dream World to the Real World and trying to hit a Dreaming Survivor.
It would help him segregate the Survivors from eachother for short spans of time, giving him built in slow-down, stealth, and map traversal tools.
As someone new to the game I've been looking for an explanation for Freddy's entire downfall . Thanks!
I remember the sharp hand joe days of DbD.
As well as how much you used to quote that joke earlier in your RUclips career.
I still wish they'd make an add on that turns Freddy into old Freddy.
I used to play him tons just to learn chases as I had no power other than mind games to get hits.
Good fun, even if you got darned on
Freddy always being completely invisible when not sleeping seems like a cool ability he should have though.
I remember playing OG freddy and running up to a 4 stack on a gen... they just repeatedly failed skillchecks when then went to sleep and did an entire gen in my face x,D
I really enjoyed playing Freddy when he was first released. The ability of being invisible and putting survivors to sleep was a very cool idea and was really strong against survivors grouping up
It seems Freddy was so OP that Survivors literally swimming in the air to avoid him
The extreme irony of “””Forever Freddy””” is the fact that his slowdown potential with those addons was basically just what we now have as default gen speeds… such a ridiculous nerf.
11:10 one thing i never understood back then was how those lower tier players would also be more likely miss skill checks here and there, but never figured it wakes them up.
“There were only 3 places on the entire map that I could place the fake pallets”
*Darn*
When I started playing in early 2019 and I went against my first Freddy and I was playing with the really toxic and salty guy who was had been playing the game for year longer than me and he called Freddy op and messaged the killer to go off Himself he unfriended me after I explained to him that Freddy has an anti power because he can’t even damage you without giving you a head start
"BHVR is known for having a horrendous balance team" - 0:57 - FACT!
I loved playing old Freddy even though he was weak. It was a lot of fun using him
Ngl I really want old Freddy back. I mained him and- while he was definitely weak, he had genuine strengths that a lot of people didn't appreciate.
His hit and run power was intense, and he was a king of game delay- holding long games was his thing.
Maybe a mix of the new and old?
Invisible at all times and have to drag survivors to sleep, but it takes 3 seconds- they are visible if outside his terror radius after 20 seconds, and he can still teleport to gens and lay traps? Makes him a bit more like the old while still being good enough?
I remember original freddy. His coolest bit was that if you're asleep, your aura is shown to him if you're not within immediate range, and you could just hold the dream beam as you go until it activates to locate a survivor. But yeah, it was quite painful.
Funny thing was that I got dbd to play as freddy. I'm not competitive or anything so I still generally had a good time.
old freddy was unironically the most fun I've had playing dbd
@@Keygentlemen I remember when I came back to dbd after they did the freddy changes and was so confused why I couldn't see survivors anymore or beam them into the dream world. I couldn't just hold out my dream beam until I popped someone off. It was jarring.
And even if freddy was weaker, I agree, he was fun. Very immersive.
As a freddy main, that already mained freddy when he was at his sharp hand joe time. My opinion on snares or fake pallets is pretty simple.
Objectively i think dream snares are more powerful than pallets. There are certain maps where you would have to break a pallet in order to set up a dream pallet. so dreampallets have the disadvantage on many maps that you need to run stuff like brutal in order to keep up with the survivors who just run from pallet to pallet and throw them down instantly with no counterplay nor anti-loop.
That beeing said, i play with fake pallets. :D
They are much worse than the dream snares BUT the biggest factor about the dream pallets is the wonderful moment of survivors that are injured, running to the next pallet they see, feeling so safe that you cant catch them while you know this pallet is fake. these lovely moments make me take dream pallets.
Dream pallets however could have a huge impact on the game if they were slightly stronger, like removing the cap of only having 7 dream pallets. that would make the endgame stronger. but survivors will found out the counterplay to not use pallets in the endgame anymore to loop.
Thats my opinion about the dream snare or fake pallets situation with freddy.
edit: darn.
Can’t wait for ‘History of Zimbabwe Bubba’.
I prefer fake pallets because I always use enduring / spirit fury so I delete most pallets quickly and make good use of the power. Usually comes in really handy during half time to the end of the match.
I liked the original version where you had lure them to sleep to attack them, they should of kept that but given buffs etc. I hope they allow you to choose between the two versions and also release a Robert England voice with him providing dialogue.
I love the fake pallets because it messes with people after I destroy the pallet and put a new one. People instantly try to loop it again only for the realization of im lunging at their palllet camp waiting for them to drop it only to instantly break and they are downed
I specifically remember playing old freddy and a survivor complaining in my dms that he was op. It was on that day i stopped taking anything any survivors say seriously. Most of them genuinely dont understand the game even to this day
I remember back in the days when I got a full 4-man sweaty group while I was playing Freddy, they all got Petrified Oak, used to reduce the number of hooks and not the distance. I had no chance, they're was like 2-3 hooks in the entire map, they were always together so when you down one you had to immediatly sleep the others or else they would start to mend the downed survivor and it made you unable to pick it up, that was an awful problem and what really pissed me off with old Freddy, you down someone and if a survivor started helping the guy you couldnt stop him if he was not sleeping and 7 secondes was enough time to heal a downed survivor.
I feel like this missed a a chance with freddy, image if hitting putting you to sleep also messed with your ui when in dream, such as not showing the perk timers properly or displaying de buffs that aren't actually there messing with survivors and mind, making it even more important to get those clocks.
Watching Monto play OG Freddy is what brought me to DBD, he made Freddy look very strong. It just goes to show you if you learn how to play a killer correctly, it won't matter how weak they are (to an extent).
Much like Sonic in Smash Bros, Freddy Kreuger in DBD is a well representation of his franchise:
*A missed opportunity*
I'd love to hear your opinion on the Artist and Dredge - why are they so unpopular? They are good at chasing and map control, have amazing visual design, but hardly anyone plays them.
Artist is an interesting one, as she has everything outside of build in slowdown in her kit. Dredge, iunno, killer to me just looks like a turkey. Also made Sadako obsolete the very next chapter after she came out. As well as being probably the biggest let down anniversary chapter in recent history. Several stigmas against him, I suppose.
Artist is really difficult (at a high level), which makes a lot of killers not want to play her. Also, her power isn't as exciting as some other strong killers, so people often don't want to play her. Then again I say this as an Artist main, so there might be other reasons.
@@HaileyTheThird i not play her very often only because her sound design is very annoying, but in terms of gameplay she feels really good.
running enduring / brutal strength / spirit fury and fake pallets is alot of fun lol
Hot take. Freddy was not as weak as people claimed he was, but thats because no one except like 7 people played him hit and run trying to keep everyone asleep at all times.
I will also say if old freddy existed today he would very high up on the tierlist due to perks and how his biggest counter self care has been removed from any relevance.
I think Freddy should have the ability to use fake pallets and dream snares and every gen should spurt blood so survivors don’t know and have to gamble if he’s teleporting to thier gen
And the fact that object would just reveal Freddy's aura pretty much the entire game while you were in the dream realm, making you near uncatchable in chase.
I remember it was with pre-reworked Freddy that got me to Rank 1 for the first time as Killer. He was my favourite.
I still remember when the trailer first dropped I was so excited and I remember playing and trying to hit people and I was like "wtf how come I can't hit them ???" only to realize the needed to be asleep
My idea would have been to increase his Base Movement Speed. Then after putting a Survivor into the dreamworld you would just use that Speed to catch Survivors. Also it would be great for Map Mobility.
"survivors tend to just leave when the gates are open" Mate, what game have you been playing?
i used to play old freddy so much that i grew to actually like him. But with new freddy pallets for most maps. It's fun catching people off guard
Crazy power Idea: Freddy-Pallets.
The texture of all undropped pallets on the map are changed to freddys skin for dreaming survivors. And they have freddy's face on it.
While they are not dropped, Freddy can teleport and become a Freddy-pallet and if a survivor is nearby, he can injure them.
This forces dreaming survivors to either avoid pallets or drop them early, leaving a little bit of counter play for the cost of resources.
What i believe they could have done to freddy was make him invisible, takes 5 seconds to put someone in a dream state, only make him able to do so if a player doesn’t move 15 ft from where it started in those 5 seconds (the survivor being unaware they are being put to sleep) then freddy gains a movement speed (he can only attack players in dream state although he can put multiple people in dream state) taking someone out of dream state takes 5 seconds , if everyone is in dream state it takes 10 seconds, after being downed you get out of dream state, have some passive where he gets to tier 3 after putting enough people in dream states where he unlocks teleporting to gens/ and tier 3 being everyone is now in sleep state for the rest of game
TBH i miss old freddy. I remember using class photo all the time before his rework. (Class Photo would reveal everyones aura while a survivor is falling asleep)
Title should be “How Freddy Was The Weakest Killer in Dead By Daylight.”
...can we just talk about the poltergeist that's happening during 11:47 ??? Seriously WTF :'D
I can still remember the days of people bringing remember me and dyling light and just flat out using the green mori and killing your obsession right away
Tbh I think if they made so Freddy culd switch between snairs and palets mid march it would be a lot more fun
I Remember playing Freddy with Dying Light, Thanatophobia, and Hex Ruin survivor literally don't bother with generators at all, they just wait 3 people died and find the hatch, good times.
OG Freddy is cool wish they can work off that more cause knowing that Survivor's can't see you but hear the lullaby with Grass moving an Pallets breaking was Amazing
I hate how people forget that pre-rework freddy has also permanent wallhack on asleep survs, 50% slowdown on all actions regarding asleep survs and 6% higher regress from missed skillchecks of asleep survs
"The Freddy you're all familiar with today" - I've been playing DBD very frequently for the past 3 / 4 months, not once had a Freddy...
I started playing in late 2020, so after Freddy's first rework but before the second. He was pretty omnipresent in solo queue and it took me a long ass time to successfully escape from him.
I have yet to see another killer get nuked so heavily in my time playing. He went from low A tier and extremely common to basically D tier with very little to recommend him. Since I still play solo queue I still breathe something of a sigh of relief thinking how he used to be ... but also I think Pinhead has basically taken his place in the past meta with his map pressure and anti loop. At least he has no equivalent to Forever Freddy.
first killer I ever bought and enjoyed grinding through mid rank. I was a slightly better than casual player but got destroyed by red rank at the time. I abandoned freddy in mid rank later on just cause survivor got so much easier I felt like every game was an uphill battle of me going 110% tryhard vs random survivors just all getting out
Old Remember Me + old Dying Light along with NOED and Bitter Murmur was nuts if you could quickly stack and mori the obsession. If the rest of the survivors are all healed + asleep and the obsession is dead during endgame there was literally nothing they could do to open those gates in time.
Him talking about how freddy is boring
Meanwhile everyone starts flying in the background footage.
You could fill an entire hour about Hillbilly
Ever since Vecna released, I'm gonna be honest: I totally see Freddy's dream abilities with that same mechanic.
I mean, it’s pretty accurate to the movies. I’d constantly be trying to wake myself up
I've been playing DBD as a killer main for around 4 years. Recently grinded to Iridescent 1. Just discovered your channel and it is super interesting to hear some of the history of DBD. Awesome videos man.
Range add-ons were mandatory for old Freddy. Double range add-ons made his reach somewhere around 30 meters or so. Basically just scan the map putting people to sleep. Since Freddy could see survivors outside his terror radius, he could keep tabs on them while chasing another survivor. He could then put that survivor failing a skill check to sleep almost immediately.
it was other add-on were mandatory for him. He had these add-on that reduce skill-check chance by large amount. He did not need range add-on because with monitor&abuse. he had 16 meter terror radius, it worked like his lullaby. You could easily approach any survivor to put them to sleep, but with 7 second sleep timer and 3 second slowdown, you had to leave them alone. Chase another survivor put them to sleep, see the aura of survivor you previously slept who is trying wake up and now sneak up on them while reading their aura.
I was part of the killer exodus a large portion of the dbd killers got together lead by tayna and big black mori and we all review bombed it to absolute hell if my memory serves me right it was when the nerfs where announced we killer mains where fucking livid cause ready was already weak as hell and then they nerfed him only a week after his release and we knew why it was the casual players witch alot of us said in our reviews. it really hurt tbh and alot of us did drop being killer or drop the game all together.
also it was made in the mass review bombing that we keep it civil and to the point and explain our greviouses.
9:22 is really funny. Rebecca just running straight towards you is just really hilarious to me.
I'm partial to fake pallets. At my skill tier, survivor's first instinct is to run to the nearest pallet. Surprise! It's fake and you just stood still for 3 seconds.
I loved and mained original freddy. He had addons which stopped people waking up from failed skill checks and made people fall asleep after 5 second too. He was cheesy but more powerful than this video suggests
I actually love the idea that Freddy can't hurt you unless you're in the dream world. Super fitting and in character.
But yeah they would have to make some sort of other balance to getting survivors IN that dream world and/or preventing them from leaving it on demand.
Bhvr come out with a stat on Freddy games and it was like low rank would get killed 89% while high rank was like 15% kill rate and they came out and said he was to oppressive on lower ranks and decided to nerf him. Imo they wanted to try and keep newer players who would be more likely to not come back over regular players at the time
I'm loving these videos lately, they're filling the void TydeTyme left with his TydeTalks.
Keep it up man, really enjoying it.
I really do hope that Freddy gets a rework that will make him strong again but not too strong, because if they make him too strong, we're generally repeating history where survivors are gonna complain again. However, although Freddy is weak yet he is still pretty decent at the game, ever since I started playing DBD, he was my first main to use and I still continue to use him time to time. He's not a simple a killer to use, it takes strategy to use him where to place snares to help during chase, and using your teleportation power to traverse or use it during chase if a survivor is approaching the gen to down them quickly. Even faking the teleport can sometimes work, the problem with Freddy is his addons are really weak, yet he still has decent gameplay, it just takes strategy
I remember after the rework, they nerfed him again (making that the clocks give you immunity to being dragged asleep after being hit for some time) because there were still people calling him too strong.
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Darn..
The nightmare was a living nightmare back then
I remember playing this version of freddy and making him my main. I have a couple games of this up on my youtube too. I just thought it was so cool how much he sorta felt like freddy.
12:20 this b-roll is crazy
“…since the survivors usually leave when the exit gates are opened”
*cries in baby Trapper*
That basic attack cool down is so satisfying and cool
His laggy reach around corners now makes up for it
i like to think freddy on release was the entity intentionally messing with him for acting so big outside of its realm