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I look at Temur from the perspective of Izzet. Starting from Blue/Red with it's craving for a balance of logic and emotion, we see a person who wants to iterate to improve the future but wants to exist in the present. Green gives the two something to agree on. There's a saying that one covets power, two will be divided but only three can achieve true balance. Green provides Blue a connection to something beyond itself, being the natural world and other people. Something to study and learn from and use in it's iterations. And Red inherently loves Green's agreement on freedom and expression. As a trio, I see an artist, particularly an animator. A person who struggles a lot within themselves to achieve a balance, both to achieve knowledge and express freedom. This person then seeks out logical ideas from nature and peers to support the future while having people, things and places to enjoy in the present. Green gives Blue/Red the freedom to be themselves and the knowledge to know who they are.
I've often thought Temur was about total neutrality, or to the very least a lack of concern for moral judgements or metaphysical contemplation. White and black are too much concerned with concepts of good or evil. This obviously causes division in one form or another. Temur, though, is free from this type of judgmental thinking and can experience the world as it is. It sees everything as having a place in the world, both the good and the bad. It isn't afraid of conflict, nor is it against peace. All that matters is living. Temur contains Blue's curiosity and cleverness, but none of it's over thinking. It has Red's passion and self determination with room for thought and control. And it relishes in Green's instinctual behavior and harmonious way of life, but it's always comfortable with change and innovation.
Nature is a harsh judge. Creativity and innovation can help us live in line with nature. Life isn't worth living without passion. There is judgment it's just not human judgement.
Forest - pretty self explanatory. A forest is an entire ecosystem. A contained whole that works best when not tampered with. Plains - nature cultivated, civilised. The land is put to use for a greater good. Island - water doesn't seem powerful at first, but it is persistent. Given enough time it will wear down mountains. Swamp - rot is king here. Diseases are bred, and death lurks round every corner. Mountain - honestly the hardest. Volcanoes make sense, violent outbursts of energy, mirroring the passion of Red, but mountains in general? Not so sure.
@@RaunienTheFirst Plains are known for being prime land for building civilizations IRL In contrast Mountains are the worst since they isolate communities resulting in them taking more Red mindsets generally No terrain on earth is less conducive to white that can safely be inhabited than mountains
Temur in my head is a master athlete (for example a soccer player) where blue's strategy combines with green's physical atributes and red's love of playing.
Temur and Abzan have a cool parallel. Both are centered around nature and the opposites within nature. Abzan embraces life and death in nature. Temur embrace chaos and order of nature, creation and entropy.
When I think of Temur, I’m reminded of the _Monster Hunter_ franchise. In it, humans, wyvernians (Japanese elves with digitigrade feet and draconic ancestry), and felynes (talking bipedal housecats) live alongside nature and try to disturb it as little as possible, but they don’t _worship_ nature, and they have no hang-ups about scientific curiosity or technological progression, so long as it doesn’t cause any long-term problems. If they don’t change how they do something, it isn’t because ‘if Mother Nature wanted us to do this, She’d have had the trees grow leaves with written instructions on them’, it be ‘we did the math, and while that _would_ lead to certain efficiency increases, the byproducts of such procedures would be very expensive and labor intensive to deal with, plus it’d likely cause increased aggression in the local population of giant fire-breathing T-rexes, and that’s its own huge set of problems.’ Hell, the basic story of every _Monster Hunter_ game is ‘you are the new Animal Control officer assigned to this small community, protect it from wild animals the size of cars that possess elemental attacks with only a cat that speaks entirely in puns for back-up.’
I really love this description, it especially works since monster hunters and researchers don't see the monsters as evil (most of the time), they're an equal part of nature and thus worthy of equal respect. Sure sometimes that includes killing or capturing a monster, but when it does it's usually because that individual monster was a threat either to the people nearby or the local ecosystem. There's even multiple monsters in the game that are invasive and cause massive problems if left alone. Even after the hunt the monster is respected, hunters obviously use the carcass to forge weapons and armor but researchers also use monster parts for endless advancements in all fields. Monster hunter has a huge focus on ecology and nature, how people can coexist and even better both themselves and the natural world and I agree that temur's philosophy really fits
Yes! Finally Temur! I typically view Temur as a balance of the three colors, acting as Mind (Blue), Body (Green) and Spirit (Red), with the form they take being some form of Sage.
i always thought that the monk civilization should be temur detached by society good and evil and detached by thoughts of material stuf like gains and power. they train their Body and Mind to be in comune with nature and utilize root themselves in their temples get in touch with the elementals and natures secrets, even the +1/+1 mechanic their cretures get everytime a noncreature spell is casted is the mos simic/grull/izzet combination mechanic i have ever saw. Jeskai be the adventurous nomadic sages that look for artfacts and secrets of the world think of the loreholders but using their discoveries to make even more incredible and dangerous artifacts (maybe using spirits of people to make artfacts come to life) the mechanic of artifacts that can became creatures with an exiled card toughnes and power pass trough my mind.
@@thos1618 yeah but many times it is not order in the white sense of the word leaning more in the green sense of harmony and tradition, don't get me wrong it can be very white ! A monastic group is very in line with bant, but a monastic tradition that leave the harmony side and the nurture of tradition in perceive for it's porpuse outside to get adventure, releasing their purest spirits inner rage on nature vile fools? sounds a little off for a "monastic ORDER" but very in line with red blue and white. Dude literally quoted freacking bruce lee in a temur video philosophy and not a jeskai one, to summarize being one with the essence of your practice to get perfection and you still don't see a problem with caracterization of jeskai being martial monks and Temur being just like siberian Naya. Besides if your problem is with the word "ORDER of monks" any combination with color red is difficult to fit since it simbolizes the chaos, making Abhzan actually a better choice for a monastic tradition out of the 5 tarkir clans.
Ever since I got into Magic, I have always thought of myself as a Temur, with a big focus on blue and green being underscored by red. I’m a kind and caring person, who views friends above all else, but I’m also extremely perfectionist-minded and always think of the possibilities. Down to earth and up in the clouds. Red powers all of this, because I feel the need to express these things with passion, my beliefs coming before right (white) and wrong (black). I feel it represents (in my case, at least) the differences between Nature, Nurture, and the things in between. I constantly find myself regretting my past (green), and dreading my future (blue), but I just keep my beliefs and passions close to always remind myself, it doesn’t matter if I’m perfect, or if I’m even good. What matters is that I’m me. That, to me, is what Temur means. Sorry for rambling, I just love Magic. Great video!
What i like about temur is that all its components contribute something. Green gives the materials needed, blue gives the knowledge and direction and red gives the motivation to put it all in action. Temur realizes that laws can be abused or escaped from and thus shouldnt overly rely on them but also that laws can be beneficials and thus wont completely disregard them. Temur also realizes how detrimental a selfish outlook and/or a power hungry outlook can be but understand that power is also needed to get things done and you cant save someone when you are gone yourself. It is the embodyment of balance
An aspect i would really like to see in this video would be the huge perspective temur has, green is normally connected to how things were, so in terms it's the past tense, red is connected to the present tense, the way things are and blue is connected to the future tense, the way things could be So to combine all these colors is to perceive time as a whole funnily enough in a way rgb is also the color of the leds that compose a pixel from a screen, but that would just count as trivia as it isn't very applicable to the philosophy one interpretation of temur not shown in the printed cards is the one with focus on izzet and simic together which i will kindly call innovation through evolution It's blue's desire to always improve fueled by red's passion while it builds on it's past In sultai we have the seeking of old artifacts forgotten by time, which in a way shouldn't be ignored in this wedge even if it doesn't search for power, but it could apply for the enhancement of forgotten technology in the search for evolution temur doesn't blind itself with black and white, not seeing extremes like good and evil in a way that it views the world as more complex and deep In this version of temur science isn't forgotten but instead is in harmony with nature, in a lot of ways able to include both in it's plans, making it a very mindfull and flexible ideology while retaining it's true form in a way it goes after some objectives black and white have, but in a more *natural* and indirect way, as evolution and innovation are both types of ambition which affect everyone, without the need to be exploitative or restraining //July 2022 EDIT: I Found out I actually identify as Esper lmao} //July 2022 Edit (funny month haha ^^) I like bant more!
Got this on the color quiz, and I'm really digging it so far! I think I interpret it as some sort of "be at peace with yourself + have curiosity/seek personal growth + enjoy the ride". Very good attitude for a planeswalker if you ask me!
I disagree that Temur wants us to abandon civilization. Instead, I think it wants us to study how nature works together (blue) in order to more effectively be the caretakers of this world we find ourselves on (green) by providing a constructive framework for our emotions, creativity, and desires (red) to be directed into.
@@WhatisAPaladin I wouldn’t say you are wrong it’s just this construction fits better within the modern era, we won’t let cities fall into rust but instead figure means to better curate the environment surrounding them and that takes passion, creativity, and invention.
I agree with this. It wants to tear down and reform Traditional Hierarchy in a way that very un-White. I identify with Temur, as well as concepts like Anarcho-Communism, and a Global Commons. I think Temur aims to tear down traditional White ideals of civilization in order to rebuild it as one that lives in harmony with nature and the natural order.
I think an interesting thought I’ve had, is how Red and Blue influence what Green considers destiny and purpose. It becomes more of a journey. A Temur individual may know they have a purpose in life, but it may not be clear to them. Others may tell them, but the Temur individual will chafe against expectations, finding them either unnatural or dull. It is only through exploring its passions and curiosity do they find their true calling. It’s work that not only stimulates their heart and mind, but seems natural to them.
That's actually a good theory considering Sarkhan Vol became Temur colored from being devoted to dragons, who represent freedom and independence in it's pure form (mostly Red and some Green), to traveling through time (Blue) to find himself truly free,as Ugin said: " You will always fail if you seek guidance, and not the truce".
In my own belief, i think Temur is the simple joy of creation. Red's passion and desire to create and enjoy one's creations Green's natural ties from which creation flows endlessly within jungles and the world Blue's own will to tinker to utilise that knowledge and curiosity it aligns with. Sure this idea of temur is much more izzet + green but i think it shows another side of the three colours
Oh wow, I never made that connection. Here's some other cool connections: It's also the colors of past(green), present(red), and future(blue). The colors of time itself. They are also the colors of mind(blue), body(green), and spirit(red). Other people have suggested they are the colors of the 4 elements with red being earth+fire, blue being wind+water, and green naturally embodying all elements and accepting them all. You could also argue that these colors embody Yin+Yang in general. With green naturally being Taoist and red being quite Yang, while blue is Yin.
The Alchemist is very in line with Temur philosophy. The book even talks about staring in awe at the elemental fury of fire, a vast ocean, or a desert oasis.
8:10 "The supreme good is like water, wich benefits all of creation without trying to compete with it. It gathers in lower places. Thus, it is like the Tao" - Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching, Chapter 8 Water may be soft, but it overcomes hardness, wich we can see in the erosion of rock. And water also has no purpose, no goal, no specific desire, yet it nourishes everything that it passes Temur is the color of Taoism. The philosophy that searches it's purpose, and also understands that it's purpose is never the same forever. I am personally Jeskai aligned (white, blue and red), so the Temur philosophy is very close to what i believe in, and i could coexist very well with this kind of mindsed. It's just not quite my way
I believe I am also Jeskai aligned, however I feel like Temus is almost a complete opposite. I think Jeskai values lifes of people and society as the most important thing and uses creative innovations to power it. Make progress, build best cities and machines conquering nature for the benefits of everyone.
i think blue centered temur would see the world in a logical blue way but wouldn't be a total robot about it. they would see the most logical thing to do but instead of coldly executing it, it would do that action with all of their heart
Temur is my favorite three color group. I run a Temur list every chance I get whether it’s meta or not. I am a Norse Pagan (religiously) and I feel that Temur philosophy aligns well with my faith.
@@manuam98 The idea of learning about nature and being not only knowledgeable about nature, but also passionate and emotionally invested in its well being. We believe that we are to be stewards of nature in all forms (including human nature and our behaviors) We learn from nature to be able to know what It is that we take care of and why we do it. We value freedom within a "shamanic" lifestyle. we don't believe in going against nature, but rather learning from it and growing along side it. We believe nature to be the be all end all. We would not like MTG colors such as white or black because we believe that green gives us all the community we need without taking away freedoms and black would corrupt nature, emotions, and even logic and reason. I hope this helped.
The thing I like the most about Temur is that due to their philosophy of being explorers, visionaries, and creators you can apply them to almost any class or cultural group. It leads to near endless possibilities and combinations which I think perfectly suits Temur.
Now that this series is done, may I suggest: Theorizing about three color pairs. Basically, for example. Talking about Grixis if it had a focus on blue instead of a focus on black, it radically changes stuff. Or, Strixhaven colleges
@@DiceTry Yeah, super excited for Strixhaven too, all enemy pairings is always interesting. I am particularly intrigued by Lorehold, chasing the past and knowledge of it struck me as odd for Boros. It does fit from a ''Indiana Jones jock'' standpoint, but it felt weird at first glance.
I took the color pie quiz and got Temur. It makes a lot of sense to me. To me the absence of white and black is the absence of the knowledge of life and death. This makes sense because though there is life and death in nature, nature itself never dies; it's endless recycling, a striving, not toward an impossible end such as self preservation (black) or preservation of community (white), but a striving for it's own sake, based in the vital energies inherent in the three other colors. Temur is an acknowledgment of immortality, but not an immortality of self, it's immortality through the growth and decay of our current body and the reformation of a new identity through nature after death.
Feel like Temur possesses a hidden philosophy that can be found in traditional tiny bonsai trees pruning and growth. The description of the late Noriuki Pat Marita as "Mr.Myagi" when teaching Ralph Machio's character "Daniel" about the bonsai is the best widely known example of that hidden philosophy. A combination of adjustments by instinct and foresight expressed through mother nature and a commitment to the patience mother nature on occasion demands of us.
Another great video. I thought it was really intresting how you incorporated elements of Izzet into your discussion of Temur. My take has always been that the wedges are combinations of two guilds that share one of their colors. If i remember correctly, Wizards focused on one enemy color pair and one allied color pair when designing the Khans for Khans of Tarkir. This always made a lot of sense to me as Temur, particularly in that block, seems like a midrange strategy focused on strong creatures. A mixture of Gruul and Simic, and not so much the spell slinger focused Izzet. Similarly, Mardu seems aggro focused, a combination of Boros and Rakdos, and not so much the more slow playing Orzhov. If this is the case, the wedges could potentially be maleable. So a future set could potentially contain a version of Temur that's more a combination of Simic and Izzet with less focus on Gruul. I find it really impressive that you managed to incorporate aspects of all three colors of Temur into one coherent philospohy. However, I prefer the idea of maleable wedges as this could provide intresting design space for magic going forward. Especially since everything but the four color combinations have been defined these days. I'm curious on your take. Do you see the identities of the three color combinations changing as new magic sets come out?
The way I look at it, color philosophy is sort of loose and while I brought up 3 ideals there is still other versions out there, all by leaning more or less into certain colors. I can't predict how wotc will handle shards and wedges but they usually stay within the bounds. I'm looking forward to a proper wedge or shard set though as ikora didn't really do it for me. That set more like a superficial take, mostly being physical representations of the wedges
@@DiceTry I agree, Ikoria was a bit of a disappointment. I think it has to do with the set being a bottom-up design rather than top down. I think that as a result, the set lacks flavor that specifically plays into the idea of three color combinations. I also think that letting go of the block structure (either three or two set blocks) can be somewhat detrimental to designing around color combinations. Using a block structure makes it easy to show change on a plane and it's easy to incorporate colors into this design. Examples of this are plentiful: Shadowmoor has the Lorwyn tribes shift in color, Alara block going from shards to five colored cards, and Khans block going from wedges to two-colored allied combinations. To me, there is still a lot of untapped potential in that design space. I would absolutely love to see a block that starts out focused on wedges but shifts focus to shards in its 2nd or 3rd set.
Reminder that the khans of tarkhir each had a central color (like blue for Jeskai). So its likely Jeskia, for example, was based on blue-white (azorious) and blue-red (izzet) while not so much on white-red (boros).
I think the idea that Temur wants everyone to live in huts and caves is pretty reductive. Anarcho-Communisn, Global Commons, Mutual Aid networks. That's what Temur wants. It abhors traditional hierarchies that don't serve a practical purpose. It abhors selfishness and self interest that would harm others. Gruul would tear down society and return to hunter gatherer tribes, but Blue knows the benefits of technology and comfort. Temur wants to tear down society and rebuild it a way that supports and lives in harmony with nature. A symbiotic society, like Simic wants - but with a preservation of emotion and self. Temur doesn't outright reject the comforts of society, it values technology and innovation - like Izzet, but it wants to do it in a long term sustainable way. Calling it the right hand of Nature is right, but in a different way. Temur wants to learn, improve, and usher in a better age of society. A sustainable, humanistic, society that has a place for everyone and everything.
I didn't initially agree with a quiz that referred to me as a Temur. But then I found that it aligned rather well with my primary philosophy, which is one simple statement when you boil it down. Existence in all it's facets is inherently awesome.
When it comes to wedges and shards, I like to look at it from a bottom up construction. First seeing what each color has at its core, then what each produces in pairs to finally coalesce in the triad. Green is all about Harmony through Acceptance. Blue is about Perfection through Knowledge. Red is about Freedom through Action. When Green and Blue come together, if Green dominates then they become passive observers, historians concerned with nullifying their intervention for the sake of precise knowledge, that is their vision of perfection in harmony. If Blue dominates they become agents of natural change and evolution, observing first and deploying improvements later to make the ecosystem more robust, they have accepted their role as drivers of change as natural to themselves, as the task they were given. In balance, Green-Blue iterates between passive observation and documentation, and active evolution initiatives, always inspired by nature. This doesn't means they're against technology, far from it, Green-Blue embraces technology as part of their nature, they don't alienate themselves since they acknowledge they are part of nature, and nature gifted 'em with technology, placing them as apex and wardens. Red and Green coming together are about needs, when Green dominates, it's all about reaching Harmony through action, about partaking in the natural cycles, living. It's not animalistic, rather, it likes the simple pleasures of life and doesn't needs more than its bare necessities fulfilled to feel good. When Red dominates, it becomes all about being able to do as it wants, fulfilling its whims, this one parts from nature and seeks ways to fulfill those higher whims. When in balance, Green-Red just wants to be itself, have its bare necessities satisfied and enjoy experiences, it has a cynical tendency. Finally, Red and Blue coming together are about thought to action, when Blue dominates it's cautious, planned actions driven towards a perfect, concrete goal that has caught their passions. It wants to know and will do what it needs to do to know more, to perfect that knowledge. When Red dominates, it's knowledge is put to the test to find ways around limitations, it seeks to stretch what's possible to be done to achieve freedom, fulfill and express its passions. When in balance, Blue-Red are creative, transformative forces, they seek to make way for a "better" place, where "better" is defined by what drives their passions and challenges their capabilities. Taking out White and Black takes out Peace and Power as goals. Indeed the triad may achieve both, but they're mere side dishes to the true goals sought. Order and Ruthlessness are byproducts likewise, they just happen when Blue and Green seek to observe passively, and when Blue and Red wants to achieve a goal. So what Temur ends up being? An agent of evolution. A more green Temur isn't here to be a passive observer but an active participant of evolution, they are in this for the long game, to adapt, endure and prevail while others fail, to learn from those failures and improve. In a more blue Temur, they engineer themselves and the ecosystems around not because nature isn't doing it well enough, but because that's their role in nature as sentient beings with tools and creativity capable of such engineering. A more red Temur becomes an apex predator quickly and seeks to keep that position through both its physical prowess and technological advantage, since that position maximizes its freedom of action, however is well aware that some restraint is needed and manages its resources to not deplete them. A balanced Temur seeks to be the best version of itself and to extend this philosophy to its environment and society, it spends time introspecting as often as observing nature, it identifies challenges and pours its creativity and knowledge to overcome those challenges and in that it finds purpose and satisfaction.
I just flund your channel 2 days ago and I've listenned to all our color philosophy videos on my way to and from work. I love the work youve done a lot and I'm so glad to have found your channel
Temur reminds me a bit of the period of festivals before this period. So temur is not White black. The conflict between those colors is all and one. Temur does not care about humans much in that structural Sense. I also like how you used ravnican lands for temur. Very fitting.
Definitely relating to the purposeful curiosity segment. I'm blue dominant Temur and it has always felt to me like blue is the knowledge and forward-thinking color that enables the more chaotic and instinct driven Red & Green to thrive
I view colors as the elements they invoke. White is light, green is plant, red is fire/ earth, blue is water, ice and sky, black is darkness/ entropy. Temur is my favorite color combination, with the full aspect of nature, from the seas and skies to the earth and the verdant life that grows there. This also ties into the elemental creatures like kalamax and maelstrom wanderer and how they bring change
I found your channel with the video of using Magic's Color Pie instead of Alignment Chart and since then I watched all your Color Pie explanation videos. Really enjoyed them and I'm using it to create a character by first defining which colors represent him more. I appreciate all your videos on the subject and I'm excited to see other videos of your as well.
Just got around to finishing the video, and I wish I could like it twice! Very nice job describing Temur, seems like a pretty good philosophy to have, especially when trying to overcome challenges!
One thing about Temur is out of all the shards, it probably is the one that focuses least on control and removal. White and black both constantly try to remove the opponent’s stuff sometimes even at the cost of its own, and while blue has counter spells, red has burn, and green has fighting and artifact destruction, it is overall a color primarily focusing on self growth while letting others grow as well.
I like this assessment. Typically, the blue in Temur is used to stop someone else trying to remove your stuff or control you, which definitely fits in with temur's philosophy
I quite like temur as it’s probably the shard/wedge I have the most cards in. I got Illuna, Apex of Wishes in a booster and Arcane maelstrom, the Kalamax commander deck was the first one I ever had and bought
Here from the MTG Color Quiz, and as a U 25%, G 22%, R 21%, this resonated unusually strongly with me. Thank you for all the effort you've put into these videos!!
To me, Temur is similar to Gruul in that it cares massively about following it's instincts and impulses, and being true to itself and what it wants to be, but the blue in Temur seeks to experiment with and find out what that is, who it truly is, over the course of it's life Temur is transgender
Wow. Temur is amazing. I have really been looking forward to this video. I did realize something. the set of three colors that fit my personality the best is Jeskai. Temur is a close second. The shard I most relate to is Bant. That would be the third. It is nice that Temur is well rounded and into nature. I find it to be a very colorful wedge, and one that is fun to play with. I have blue as a basis. Blue is the color of knowege and study. From there green is added to form Simic. There is still a lot of study. It just gains a focus in biology. This is an enemy pair. Green is tradition, while blue is innovation. However both can work together to help one grow. The nature of green mixes with the nurture of blue. So Simic can make whole new evolved creatures. From there Temur adds red to the mix. There is learning about biology and nature. Then there is a spark of freedom and action into the mix. Blue is a major enemy pair with red. They are very different. Blue is about intellect and knowledge. Red is about emotions and passions. Both go together in Izzet. Together Izzet becomes creativity. It learns with a an excitement and passion. This can lead to Temur being curious with nature, and doing a lot to learn about it. Temur is the closest thing to scientists that the kans of Tarkir have. Alternativly it can be like Gruul but with more wisdom. Gruul is a mix of green and red. It has a primal and impulsive nature. Temur takes that primal person and add some wisdom. There is a purpose in caring for the Earth. This video did give a good way to connect the three colors together. They are mainly like the elements. I find that they also fit the layers of the brain. These layers are named acording to animal groups. This shouws how the human brain evolved over time. First green has the earth element. That is into nature and the material. This is like the lizard brain. Second red has the fire element. That is into emotions and passions. This is like mammal brain. Third blue has the water and air elements. That is into deep thoughts and abstractions. This is like primate brain. These are the three colors where elemental creatures are common. Elemental can appear in white nd black, but it isn't very oftain. Temur reminds me of the Triforce in Legend of Zelda. Now I realize that not only the colors fit but the value fits too. Green is like courage. Red is like power. Blue is like wisdom. Mother nature's right hand is most like Simic. Simic does a lot to understand nature. It works witch biology and studies it. There is added red. This gives flexibility to allow nature to do its own thing. It is different fron Simic, who tried to control it. I like the Bruce Lee quote. That is so cool. It is very reminisent in Taoism. Taoism is cool too. Lao Tsu is even one of my favorite philosophers. The purpose of curiosity is most like Izzet. Izzit i very curious. It tries to learn and experiment. It is frantic about it caring more for the process than result. Green offers a wider perspective. One learns thier place in nature. So thier expermentation has a purpose. Freedom in experience is most like Gruul. Gruul perfectly with the hunter in the wilderness. That is what people were life in olden days. Blue adds in wisdom. They are not just some primal barbarians. They can learn about nature. Then they make the best of thier environment.
Temur has always eluded me but your explanation, as usual, has made it much more clear. There's definitely some things to learn from here, as there are with all the colors and combinations. Watching the final video in the series is bittersweet, but I'm looking forward to your future content!
I think 2-colour guilds represent a sense of personal ethos pretty well, seeing as we can all see ourselves trying to get a particular job or be enrolled to a specific college course that's in line with our identity. Whereas 3-colour combinations can delve deeper into real-world philosophies such as political ideologies like democracy or capitalism. But anything more than three colours is really hard to discuss, because I think you would honestly have to be a philosophy major to keep consistently coming up with original ideas for that 4-colour combination. Things get way too abstract at that point and I would love for people to design their own unique set of 5 colours different from the original one's we are used to.
I'm firmly rooted in Gruul philosophy, but I think Temur is probably my ideal 3 color pair, at least in terms of my idealized personality. I want to be as free and authentic to myself as possible, and I enjoy the free-flowing and flexible nature that Temur embodies. I have a very laid back, "Live and let live" attitude, and I think Temur fits that mold quite nicely.
I think it'd be very difficult, but interesting, to see philosophy videos done over the 4-color combos and 5-color/prismatic/rainbow. The 4-color would probably be very much shaped by the color missing and the 5-color might be more of a unification or "pantheistic" way of seeing things. It'd be very hard to do the 4-color given that we don't have many cards with those identities coupled with the multiple different combinations within. 5-color would probably be on roughly the same difficulty given the amount of very powerful cards within that color identity and the varied presentations.
That is cool that you got aa Patreon. I have seen it. Good job. I am glad the Temur video is finally complete. It is the wedge video I have been looking forward to the most.
Another meaning can draw from the savage brutality of Gruul and the organic iteration of Simic. An endless consumption that seeks only to serve itself. Swamp philosophy without the associated mana. This is the Temur of the Tyranids.
Blue from my perspective has never been green's enemy, it from nature that we human get the materials needed to bring our idea, ideals and innovations into being! Is just that blue at it's most extreme can overstep itself and abuse the relationship that it has with green which ends up being harmful in itself!
In gameplay and deckbuilding, it seems the Temur wedge takes the crazy experimentation of Izzet and adds Green's resources to crank it up to 11. Just throw gas on the fire.
I feel like Riku kind of throws all of that out the window. That commander (which is also my 2nd favorite commander) basically says "Let's paint with the wide side of the brush today and see what happens" lol
So what about the five four-way groupings? I guess those would be best framed by what they *aren't* seeing as how they are only missing one of the colors. But presumably the four shards and wedges that don't contain that one color should have some common ground that might help. These four-way groupings will always contain one strong pair (like a wedge) opposite the excluded color and two bridges (like shards). Or viewed differently, it's one extra powerful bridge that's also a dominant pair. Like, say, non-white would have a dominant red-black pair which acts as a bridge between green and blue. It'd in effect be a sort of reflection of Bant where green and blue can equally be bridged, but instead of the bridge being rooted in community and devotion, it is one of desire and individual expression.
I'm actually New to MTG and just got here cuz of the Personality Test, and I definitely align myself to this Philosophy. I wonder What Shard/s and Wedge/s am I compatible with.
Temur's last one sounds great in Fatasy. But in reality nature is absolutely ruthless with a harmony mandated by death that begets life. Abandoning our cities would lead a lot of humans to die and maybe even end our species and also given that creating civilisation has become our nature, we might paradoxically contradict Green this way.
“we might paradoxically contradict Green this way.” It sounds like you just solved your own concern ;) There are Green ways to reject civilization and non-Green ways to build it, but there are also Green ways to build it better than we could without Green :)
I see Temur as more of indiscriminately moving toward the “nature” order of things. Temur doesn’t have white so it isn’t caught up with building for society. And it doesn’t have black so it isn’t caught up with acting only for itself. Temur has blue so we know they is going to continue making progress toward a goal. We know that it is also green so that goal will be predetermined, dated, or natural. It also has red so we know it pursues progress toward a natural state of what it views as harmony in a passionate even explosive way. I think of Temur as a volcano burning down a forest to allow a new forest to grow. A tsunami washing away a coastal civilization without regard for lives lost.
I also like to try to view the colors individually in their combinations. So with temur it would be izzit the simic and gruul. A color added to the others. Creativity and growth focused on purpose and nature. Evolution with focus on aggression, passion, or emotional side. Gruul with some thought. The ability to think ahead to get a path for greatest self
Something I find interesting about green is it is represented by forests (trees) but trees would have been the last of the 5 representative land types to form, so on a geological scale green is the newbie.
Green look for wisdom in the past Red live in the moment Blue look to the future Green's flawer is stubborn and non change Red's flawer is it don't stop up and think before it act (like how if someone red cares about who is in danger red wouldn't find the best solution, but the fastes and maybe most dangerous Blue overthink and can get stock in their own mind and lose touch with reality together they look for wisdom in the past, move quickly without fear and tries to better their future self. They are willing to change, gets the bigger picture and think just enogh to get through
Can we get some color videos regarding each 3 color and 2 color based on a competitive philosophy within the game itself. Like for example what makes temur a great 3 color deck to actually play over choosing esper or sultai for example. Well so and so temur has has these perks within the game.
I think Mewtwo from Pokémon, as presented in the anime and movies as well as taking the Pokédex into consideration, would fit nicely into Timur; Mewtwo is a telepathic who is naturally curious (blue) and wants to know who he is and what his purpose is (green), but his emotions can get the better of him when someone attempts to use or control him, sending him into a fury with the desire for freedom (red).
2 questions that kind of share a prompt: What philosophies would emerge from shards with enemy pairs being dominant? What philosophies would emerge from wedges with the sole enemy color being dominant? Also something I feel isn't talked about enough is how even in the tarkir wedges, one color in the ally pairing is usually more pronounced than the other (the color clockwise to its ally on the wheel). Imagine the difference between Temur without blue vs Temur without red. Alternatively, imagine if Temur was more red leaning. I feel like there's still a lot of untapped potential in tri-color philosophies even after the conclusion of this series. The combination of simic and izzet isn't the same as the combination of simic and gruul (the latter is more closely related to Temur).
temur becomes a theoretical physicist, seeking deeper understanding of the fundamental forces of the universe, just to satisfy their own curiosity, with little use for that knowledge, temur wants to know the limits, not how to pass them, perhaps not even how to reach them.
Temur: so long as you don't touch my trees and get in my way you'll be fine.... Esper: I am going to need you to surrender those trees for my perfect society and I'm going to need to kill every predatory animal for- And that was how the very long war was started.
With the new MTG X Warhammer 40k decks announced, I wanted to see how Temur color philosophy might line up with the Tyranid hive mind. Anyone well versed in both communities that can share their thoughts on how an all consuming Hive Mind fits in?
I've always been Temur myself (well, ok, most things put me as Izzet, but green is a close third position and I find I'm closer to Temur than Izzet). I am personally base blue. My personal philosophy in life is "Authenticity through Discovery," it's about exploring the wonders and horrors of the world, learning the laws that govern it as best you can, of asking why some things occur and others don't. It is the idea that the more you learn about the world, the more you can learn about yourself. And with that, given time and access to that exploration, everyone can discover who they are, who they truly are. I also tend to fall on... as odd as it may sound, agree with Diogenes? The greek philosopher who was just done with everyone's bs and wanted people to stop being fake? Not to the level of spitting on a man or peeing in the middle of the street, mind you; just that idea of stopping pretending to be eloquent and like everyone has to be prim and proper all the time. I think we can all learn and coexist a lot better if we're authentic. And knowledge will come in a ton of forms if we're all allowed to follow our interests and forge our own ideas and viewpoints that can be compared and proven/disproven/discussed.
I think a Red-leaning Temur would have less of that problem than a Green-leaning or a Blue-leaning Temur would :) ... says a Blue-leaning Temur who has exactly that problem :(
@@DiceTry yea i really liked the color philosophy vids and wonder if your gonna try four colors or leave them alone due to them being pretty far reaching
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I look at Temur from the perspective of Izzet. Starting from Blue/Red with it's craving for a balance of logic and emotion, we see a person who wants to iterate to improve the future but wants to exist in the present. Green gives the two something to agree on. There's a saying that one covets power, two will be divided but only three can achieve true balance. Green provides Blue a connection to something beyond itself, being the natural world and other people. Something to study and learn from and use in it's iterations. And Red inherently loves Green's agreement on freedom and expression. As a trio, I see an artist, particularly an animator. A person who struggles a lot within themselves to achieve a balance, both to achieve knowledge and express freedom. This person then seeks out logical ideas from nature and peers to support the future while having people, things and places to enjoy in the present. Green gives Blue/Red the freedom to be themselves and the knowledge to know who they are.
Why did this make me tear up? Maybe because those words are me and that’s how I see Temur as well. Very accurate.
@@PsyclonicSailor Thanks... I don't remember what sort of headspace I was in when I wrote this, but I'm glad my point managed to get across
@@henlohenlo689 That sounds like fun, how does it play?
As someone who flip-flops between "Izzet with Green" and "Izzet with Black", I enjoy your take on this color combo
YES! I vibe with this description
I've often thought Temur was about total neutrality, or to the very least a lack of concern for moral judgements or metaphysical contemplation. White and black are too much concerned with concepts of good or evil. This obviously causes division in one form or another. Temur, though, is free from this type of judgmental thinking and can experience the world as it is. It sees everything as having a place in the world, both the good and the bad. It isn't afraid of conflict, nor is it against peace. All that matters is living.
Temur contains Blue's curiosity and cleverness, but none of it's over thinking. It has Red's passion and self determination with room for thought and control. And it relishes in Green's instinctual behavior and harmonious way of life, but it's always comfortable with change and innovation.
Well said. I think your right about that neutrality in Temur at least in the way that humans dictate morality and law.
this sums up my thoughts just abit better put
Temur is the combination of the Tao
Hmm .. sounds like a daoist
Nature is a harsh judge.
Creativity and innovation can help us live in line with nature.
Life isn't worth living without passion.
There is judgment it's just not human judgement.
Something else that you could do is explain how each type of land reflects the philosophy of the five colors and their combinations.
Forest - pretty self explanatory. A forest is an entire ecosystem. A contained whole that works best when not tampered with.
Plains - nature cultivated, civilised. The land is put to use for a greater good.
Island - water doesn't seem powerful at first, but it is persistent. Given enough time it will wear down mountains.
Swamp - rot is king here. Diseases are bred, and death lurks round every corner.
Mountain - honestly the hardest. Volcanoes make sense, violent outbursts of energy, mirroring the passion of Red, but mountains in general? Not so sure.
I would watch that
@@RaunienTheFirst Plains are known for being prime land for building civilizations IRL
In contrast Mountains are the worst since they isolate communities resulting in them taking more Red mindsets generally
No terrain on earth is less conducive to white that can safely be inhabited than mountains
Guesss whaaaat
@@RaunienTheFirst think about daredevils who rock climb mountains or people who climb Everest.
Temur in my head is a master athlete (for example a soccer player) where blue's strategy combines with green's physical atributes and red's love of playing.
That's a cool perspective
Temur and Abzan have a cool parallel. Both are centered around nature and the opposites within nature. Abzan embraces life and death in nature. Temur embrace chaos and order of nature, creation and entropy.
When I think of Temur, I’m reminded of the _Monster Hunter_ franchise.
In it, humans, wyvernians (Japanese elves with digitigrade feet and draconic ancestry), and felynes (talking bipedal housecats) live alongside nature and try to disturb it as little as possible, but they don’t _worship_ nature, and they have no hang-ups about scientific curiosity or technological progression, so long as it doesn’t cause any long-term problems. If they don’t change how they do something, it isn’t because ‘if Mother Nature wanted us to do this, She’d have had the trees grow leaves with written instructions on them’, it be ‘we did the math, and while that _would_ lead to certain efficiency increases, the byproducts of such procedures would be very expensive and labor intensive to deal with, plus it’d likely cause increased aggression in the local population of giant fire-breathing T-rexes, and that’s its own huge set of problems.’
Hell, the basic story of every _Monster Hunter_ game is ‘you are the new Animal Control officer assigned to this small community, protect it from wild animals the size of cars that possess elemental attacks with only a cat that speaks entirely in puns for back-up.’
People need to reply to this, but I don’t know enough about monster hunter to engage in that conversation. monster hunter fans assemble!
@@davidperez3645person who has only kind of played monster hunter world here. This pretty much sums it up lol
I really love this description, it especially works since monster hunters and researchers don't see the monsters as evil (most of the time), they're an equal part of nature and thus worthy of equal respect. Sure sometimes that includes killing or capturing a monster, but when it does it's usually because that individual monster was a threat either to the people nearby or the local ecosystem. There's even multiple monsters in the game that are invasive and cause massive problems if left alone. Even after the hunt the monster is respected, hunters obviously use the carcass to forge weapons and armor but researchers also use monster parts for endless advancements in all fields. Monster hunter has a huge focus on ecology and nature, how people can coexist and even better both themselves and the natural world and I agree that temur's philosophy really fits
Yes! Finally Temur! I typically view Temur as a balance of the three colors, acting as Mind (Blue), Body (Green) and Spirit (Red), with the form they take being some form of Sage.
This guy gets it.
i always thought that the monk civilization should be temur detached by society good and evil and detached by thoughts of material stuf like gains and power. they train their Body and Mind to be in comune with nature and utilize root themselves in their temples get in touch with the elementals and natures secrets, even the +1/+1 mechanic their cretures get everytime a noncreature spell is casted is the mos simic/grull/izzet combination mechanic i have ever saw. Jeskai be the adventurous nomadic sages that look for artfacts and secrets of the world think of the loreholders but using their discoveries to make even more incredible and dangerous artifacts (maybe using spirits of people to make artfacts come to life) the mechanic of artifacts that can became creatures with an exiled card toughnes and power pass trough my mind.
@@adonisjunior3197 They're called Monastic ORDERS for a reason. Monks are White, usually with a tinge of Green.
@@thos1618 yeah but many times it is not order in the white sense of the word leaning more in the green sense of harmony and tradition, don't get me wrong it can be very white ! A monastic group is very in line with bant, but a monastic tradition that leave the harmony side and the nurture of tradition in perceive for it's porpuse outside to get adventure, releasing their purest spirits inner rage on nature vile fools? sounds a little off for a "monastic ORDER" but very in line with red blue and white. Dude literally quoted freacking bruce lee in a temur video philosophy and not a jeskai one, to summarize being one with the essence of your practice to get perfection and you still don't see a problem with caracterization of jeskai being martial monks and Temur being just like siberian Naya. Besides if your problem is with the word "ORDER of monks" any combination with color red is difficult to fit since it simbolizes the chaos, making Abhzan actually a better choice for a monastic tradition out of the 5 tarkir clans.
Its also past, present and future
Ever since I got into Magic, I have always thought of myself as a Temur, with a big focus on blue and green being underscored by red. I’m a kind and caring person, who views friends above all else, but I’m also extremely perfectionist-minded and always think of the possibilities. Down to earth and up in the clouds. Red powers all of this, because I feel the need to express these things with passion, my beliefs coming before right (white) and wrong (black). I feel it represents (in my case, at least) the differences between Nature, Nurture, and the things in between. I constantly find myself regretting my past (green), and dreading my future (blue), but I just keep my beliefs and passions close to always remind myself, it doesn’t matter if I’m perfect, or if I’m even good. What matters is that I’m me. That, to me, is what Temur means.
Sorry for rambling, I just love Magic. Great video!
What i like about temur is that all its components contribute something. Green gives the materials needed, blue gives the knowledge and direction and red gives the motivation to put it all in action. Temur realizes that laws can be abused or escaped from and thus shouldnt overly rely on them but also that laws can be beneficials and thus wont completely disregard them. Temur also realizes how detrimental a selfish outlook and/or a power hungry outlook can be but understand that power is also needed to get things done and you cant save someone when you are gone yourself. It is the embodyment of balance
An aspect i would really like to see in this video would be the huge perspective temur has, green is normally connected to how things were, so in terms it's the past tense,
red is connected to the present tense, the way things are
and blue is connected to the future tense, the way things could be
So to combine all these colors is to perceive time as a whole
funnily enough in a way rgb is also the color of the leds that compose a pixel from a screen, but that would just count as trivia as it isn't very applicable to the philosophy
one interpretation of temur not shown in the printed cards is the one with focus on izzet and simic together which i will kindly call innovation through evolution
It's blue's desire to always improve fueled by red's passion while it builds on it's past
In sultai we have the seeking of old artifacts forgotten by time, which in a way shouldn't be ignored in this wedge even if it doesn't search for power, but it could apply for the enhancement of forgotten technology in the search for evolution
temur doesn't blind itself with black and white, not seeing extremes like good and evil in a way that it views the world as more complex and deep
In this version of temur science isn't forgotten but instead is in harmony with nature, in a lot of ways able to include both in it's plans, making it a very mindfull and flexible ideology while retaining it's true form
in a way it goes after some objectives black and white have, but in a more *natural* and indirect way, as evolution and innovation are both types of ambition which affect everyone, without the need to be exploitative or restraining
//July 2022 EDIT: I Found out I actually identify as Esper lmao}
//July 2022 Edit (funny month haha ^^) I like bant more!
Well said.
@@DiceTry Just a new quick observation ;P
Got this on the color quiz, and I'm really digging it so far! I think I interpret it as some sort of "be at peace with yourself + have curiosity/seek personal growth + enjoy the ride". Very good attitude for a planeswalker if you ask me!
I disagree that Temur wants us to abandon civilization. Instead, I think it wants us to study how nature works together (blue) in order to more effectively be the caretakers of this world we find ourselves on (green) by providing a constructive framework for our emotions, creativity, and desires (red) to be directed into.
Nah
@@WhatisAPaladin I wouldn’t say you are wrong it’s just this construction fits better within the modern era, we won’t let cities fall into rust but instead figure means to better curate the environment surrounding them and that takes passion, creativity, and invention.
I’d say Naya does this better but maybe that’s just a simplistic need for white (an obvious statement of organization)
@@BruceWaynesaysLandBack bump, replace study with "work together" and thats basically naya. temur is definitely just a chilled out gruul lol
I agree with this. It wants to tear down and reform Traditional Hierarchy in a way that very un-White.
I identify with Temur, as well as concepts like Anarcho-Communism, and a Global Commons.
I think Temur aims to tear down traditional White ideals of civilization in order to rebuild it as one that lives in harmony with nature and the natural order.
I almost cried watching this. Great work! Thanks and regards for my fellow Temur Souls
I think an interesting thought I’ve had, is how Red and Blue influence what Green considers destiny and purpose.
It becomes more of a journey. A Temur individual may know they have a purpose in life, but it may not be clear to them. Others may tell them, but the Temur individual will chafe against expectations, finding them either unnatural or dull. It is only through exploring its passions and curiosity do they find their true calling. It’s work that not only stimulates their heart and mind, but seems natural to them.
That's actually a good theory considering Sarkhan Vol became Temur colored from being devoted to dragons, who represent freedom and independence in it's pure form (mostly Red and some Green), to traveling through time (Blue) to find himself truly free,as Ugin said: " You will always fail if you seek guidance, and not the truce".
I gasped in excitement! It’s my second favorite wedge behind Abzan, Temur!
I honestly ended up really liking Temur and making this video was a ton of fun to write
In my own belief, i think Temur is the simple joy of creation.
Red's passion and desire to create and enjoy one's creations
Green's natural ties from which creation flows endlessly within jungles and the world
Blue's own will to tinker to utilise that knowledge and curiosity it aligns with.
Sure this idea of temur is much more izzet + green but i think it shows another side of the three colours
Oh wow, I never made that connection. Here's some other cool connections:
It's also the colors of past(green), present(red), and future(blue). The colors of time itself. They are also the colors of mind(blue), body(green), and spirit(red). Other people have suggested they are the colors of the 4 elements with red being earth+fire, blue being wind+water, and green naturally embodying all elements and accepting them all. You could also argue that these colors embody Yin+Yang in general. With green naturally being Taoist and red being quite Yang, while blue is Yin.
Well, that was quick! At any rate, we are the in the final stretch; here we go! The wedge of the elements and the elementals!
The Alchemist is very in line with Temur philosophy. The book even talks about staring in awe at the elemental fury of fire, a vast ocean, or a desert oasis.
Temur reminds me of the Bendu in Star Wars: Rebels. It isn't selfish or selfless, it just goes with the flow and keeps to itself.
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"The supreme good is like water, wich benefits all of creation without trying to compete with it. It gathers in lower places. Thus, it is like the Tao"
- Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching, Chapter 8
Water may be soft, but it overcomes hardness, wich we can see in the erosion of rock. And water also has no purpose, no goal, no specific desire, yet it nourishes everything that it passes
Temur is the color of Taoism. The philosophy that searches it's purpose, and also understands that it's purpose is never the same forever.
I am personally Jeskai aligned (white, blue and red), so the Temur philosophy is very close to what i believe in, and i could coexist very well with this kind of mindsed. It's just not quite my way
Wow this was a great read thanks.
@@DiceTry Any day bro! You are awesome
I believe I am also Jeskai aligned, however I feel like Temus is almost a complete opposite. I think Jeskai values lifes of people and society as the most important thing and uses creative innovations to power it. Make progress, build best cities and machines conquering nature for the benefits of everyone.
i think blue centered temur would see the world in a logical blue way but wouldn't be a total robot about it. they would see the most logical thing to do but instead of coldly executing it, it would do that action with all of their heart
Temur is my favorite three color group. I run a Temur list every chance I get whether it’s meta or not. I am a Norse Pagan (religiously) and I feel that Temur philosophy aligns well with my faith.
Can you give more detail on how the philosophy relates to your religion?
@@manuam98 The idea of learning about nature and being not only knowledgeable about nature, but also passionate and emotionally invested in its well being. We believe that we are to be stewards of nature in all forms (including human nature and our behaviors) We learn from nature to be able to know what It is that we take care of and why we do it. We value freedom within a "shamanic" lifestyle. we don't believe in going against nature, but rather learning from it and growing along side it. We believe nature to be the be all end all. We would not like MTG colors such as white or black because we believe that green gives us all the community we need without taking away freedoms and black would corrupt nature, emotions, and even logic and reason.
I hope this helped.
@@PagoAoE2 Sure, very interesting!!
This. The game designers did a 'Siberian Shamanism' thing but it applies just as well to Norse Paganism.
@@thos1618 Yes. It does, in a good way.
And thus the saga ends, after one year. Wonderful job sir, and I look forward to your next project.
It's been a journey
The thing I like the most about Temur is that due to their philosophy of being explorers, visionaries, and creators you can apply them to almost any class or cultural group. It leads to near endless possibilities and combinations which I think perfectly suits Temur.
Now that this series is done, may I suggest: Theorizing about three color pairs.
Basically, for example. Talking about Grixis if it had a focus on blue instead of a focus on black, it radically changes stuff.
Or, Strixhaven colleges
Thanks for the input. I do think Strixhaven will be a perfect set to talk about color philosophy and for that reason I'm pretty excited
@@DiceTry Yeah, super excited for Strixhaven too, all enemy pairings is always interesting.
I am particularly intrigued by Lorehold, chasing the past and knowledge of it struck me as odd for Boros. It does fit from a ''Indiana Jones jock'' standpoint, but it felt weird at first glance.
I took the color pie quiz and got Temur. It makes a lot of sense to me. To me the absence of white and black is the absence of the knowledge of life and death. This makes sense because though there is life and death in nature, nature itself never dies; it's endless recycling, a striving, not toward an impossible end such as self preservation (black) or preservation of community (white), but a striving for it's own sake, based in the vital energies inherent in the three other colors. Temur is an acknowledgment of immortality, but not an immortality of self, it's immortality through the growth and decay of our current body and the reformation of a new identity through nature after death.
Feel like Temur possesses a hidden philosophy that can be found in traditional tiny bonsai trees pruning and growth. The description of the late Noriuki Pat Marita as "Mr.Myagi" when teaching Ralph Machio's character "Daniel" about the bonsai is the best widely known example of that hidden philosophy. A combination of adjustments by instinct and foresight expressed through mother nature and a commitment to the patience mother nature on occasion demands of us.
Another great video. I thought it was really intresting how you incorporated elements of Izzet into your discussion of Temur.
My take has always been that the wedges are combinations of two guilds that share one of their colors.
If i remember correctly, Wizards focused on one enemy color pair and one allied color pair when designing the Khans for Khans of Tarkir. This always made a lot of sense to me as Temur, particularly in that block, seems like a midrange strategy focused on strong creatures. A mixture of Gruul and Simic, and not so much the spell slinger focused Izzet. Similarly, Mardu seems aggro focused, a combination of Boros and Rakdos, and not so much the more slow playing Orzhov.
If this is the case, the wedges could potentially be maleable. So a future set could potentially contain a version of Temur that's more a combination of Simic and Izzet with less focus on Gruul.
I find it really impressive that you managed to incorporate aspects of all three colors of Temur into one coherent philospohy. However, I prefer the idea of maleable wedges as this could provide intresting design space for magic going forward. Especially since everything but the four color combinations have been defined these days.
I'm curious on your take. Do you see the identities of the three color combinations changing as new magic sets come out?
The way I look at it, color philosophy is sort of loose and while I brought up 3 ideals there is still other versions out there, all by leaning more or less into certain colors. I can't predict how wotc will handle shards and wedges but they usually stay within the bounds. I'm looking forward to a proper wedge or shard set though as ikora didn't really do it for me. That set more like a superficial take, mostly being physical representations of the wedges
@@DiceTry I agree, Ikoria was a bit of a disappointment. I think it has to do with the set being a bottom-up design rather than top down. I think that as a result, the set lacks flavor that specifically plays into the idea of three color combinations.
I also think that letting go of the block structure (either three or two set blocks) can be somewhat detrimental to designing around color combinations. Using a block structure makes it easy to show change on a plane and it's easy to incorporate colors into this design. Examples of this are plentiful: Shadowmoor has the Lorwyn tribes shift in color, Alara block going from shards to five colored cards, and Khans block going from wedges to two-colored allied combinations. To me, there is still a lot of untapped potential in that design space. I would absolutely love to see a block that starts out focused on wedges but shifts focus to shards in its 2nd or 3rd set.
Reminder that the khans of tarkhir each had a central color (like blue for Jeskai).
So its likely Jeskia, for example, was based on blue-white (azorious) and blue-red (izzet) while not so much on white-red (boros).
this is really cool and interesting, thank you for sharing this with the community!
Sounds awfully Taoist to me. Beautiful philosophy well done on the whole series
I think the idea that Temur wants everyone to live in huts and caves is pretty reductive.
Anarcho-Communisn, Global Commons, Mutual Aid networks. That's what Temur wants. It abhors traditional hierarchies that don't serve a practical purpose. It abhors selfishness and self interest that would harm others.
Gruul would tear down society and return to hunter gatherer tribes, but Blue knows the benefits of technology and comfort.
Temur wants to tear down society and rebuild it a way that supports and lives in harmony with nature. A symbiotic society, like Simic wants - but with a preservation of emotion and self.
Temur doesn't outright reject the comforts of society, it values technology and innovation - like Izzet, but it wants to do it in a long term sustainable way.
Calling it the right hand of Nature is right, but in a different way.
Temur wants to learn, improve, and usher in a better age of society. A sustainable, humanistic, society that has a place for everyone and everything.
I didn't initially agree with a quiz that referred to me as a Temur. But then I found that it aligned rather well with my primary philosophy, which is one simple statement when you boil it down. Existence in all it's facets is inherently awesome.
I always admired Temur’s instinctual freedom. It’s so..wild.
What a great send off for the Colour philosophies.
I can’t wait for your next favourite colour video.
When it comes to wedges and shards, I like to look at it from a bottom up construction. First seeing what each color has at its core, then what each produces in pairs to finally coalesce in the triad.
Green is all about Harmony through Acceptance. Blue is about Perfection through Knowledge. Red is about Freedom through Action.
When Green and Blue come together, if Green dominates then they become passive observers, historians concerned with nullifying their intervention for the sake of precise knowledge, that is their vision of perfection in harmony. If Blue dominates they become agents of natural change and evolution, observing first and deploying improvements later to make the ecosystem more robust, they have accepted their role as drivers of change as natural to themselves, as the task they were given. In balance, Green-Blue iterates between passive observation and documentation, and active evolution initiatives, always inspired by nature. This doesn't means they're against technology, far from it, Green-Blue embraces technology as part of their nature, they don't alienate themselves since they acknowledge they are part of nature, and nature gifted 'em with technology, placing them as apex and wardens.
Red and Green coming together are about needs, when Green dominates, it's all about reaching Harmony through action, about partaking in the natural cycles, living. It's not animalistic, rather, it likes the simple pleasures of life and doesn't needs more than its bare necessities fulfilled to feel good. When Red dominates, it becomes all about being able to do as it wants, fulfilling its whims, this one parts from nature and seeks ways to fulfill those higher whims. When in balance, Green-Red just wants to be itself, have its bare necessities satisfied and enjoy experiences, it has a cynical tendency.
Finally, Red and Blue coming together are about thought to action, when Blue dominates it's cautious, planned actions driven towards a perfect, concrete goal that has caught their passions. It wants to know and will do what it needs to do to know more, to perfect that knowledge. When Red dominates, it's knowledge is put to the test to find ways around limitations, it seeks to stretch what's possible to be done to achieve freedom, fulfill and express its passions. When in balance, Blue-Red are creative, transformative forces, they seek to make way for a "better" place, where "better" is defined by what drives their passions and challenges their capabilities.
Taking out White and Black takes out Peace and Power as goals. Indeed the triad may achieve both, but they're mere side dishes to the true goals sought. Order and Ruthlessness are byproducts likewise, they just happen when Blue and Green seek to observe passively, and when Blue and Red wants to achieve a goal.
So what Temur ends up being? An agent of evolution. A more green Temur isn't here to be a passive observer but an active participant of evolution, they are in this for the long game, to adapt, endure and prevail while others fail, to learn from those failures and improve. In a more blue Temur, they engineer themselves and the ecosystems around not because nature isn't doing it well enough, but because that's their role in nature as sentient beings with tools and creativity capable of such engineering. A more red Temur becomes an apex predator quickly and seeks to keep that position through both its physical prowess and technological advantage, since that position maximizes its freedom of action, however is well aware that some restraint is needed and manages its resources to not deplete them.
A balanced Temur seeks to be the best version of itself and to extend this philosophy to its environment and society, it spends time introspecting as often as observing nature, it identifies challenges and pours its creativity and knowledge to overcome those challenges and in that it finds purpose and satisfaction.
Don't mind me, I'm just going to take this, put it in a document, put your username in said document so I know who said it, and contemplate it.
@@Andrew_the_Worthy_Shield Glad I could help
I just flund your channel 2 days ago and I've listenned to all our color philosophy videos on my way to and from work. I love the work youve done a lot and I'm so glad to have found your channel
Well I am very happy to hear that you enjoy my work that much. It always makes my day when I get someone excited about color philosophy
Temur reminds me a bit of the period of festivals before this period.
So temur is not White black. The conflict between those colors is all and one. Temur does not care about humans much in that structural Sense.
I also like how you used ravnican lands for temur. Very fitting.
Definitely relating to the purposeful curiosity segment. I'm blue dominant Temur and it has always felt to me like blue is the knowledge and forward-thinking color that enables the more chaotic and instinct driven Red & Green to thrive
I view colors as the elements they invoke. White is light, green is plant, red is fire/ earth, blue is water, ice and sky, black is darkness/ entropy. Temur is my favorite color combination, with the full aspect of nature, from the seas and skies to the earth and the verdant life that grows there. This also ties into the elemental creatures like kalamax and maelstrom wanderer and how they bring change
I found your channel with the video of using Magic's Color Pie instead of Alignment Chart and since then I watched all your Color Pie explanation videos. Really enjoyed them and I'm using it to create a character by first defining which colors represent him more.
I appreciate all your videos on the subject and I'm excited to see other videos of your as well.
Thanks. I love getting these comments.
Congrats on finishing up the series. Temur is my favorite three color combo!
Thanks! It was a huge undertaking but I think Temur ended up being a great Wedge to end it on
@@DiceTry yeah for real. would've been kind of a downer to end on something like mardu where the philosophies aren't so harmonious and gentle.
Yay, the final video!
Yeah it feels like this series has become such a big part of my channel so I'm nervous and excited for the future
Just got around to finishing the video, and I wish I could like it twice! Very nice job describing Temur, seems like a pretty good philosophy to have, especially when trying to overcome challenges!
Great video! An awesome series that I'm sad to see end, but I look forward to the next big project
One thing about Temur is out of all the shards, it probably is the one that focuses least on control and removal. White and black both constantly try to remove the opponent’s stuff sometimes even at the cost of its own, and while blue has counter spells, red has burn, and green has fighting and artifact destruction, it is overall a color primarily focusing on self growth while letting others grow as well.
I like this assessment. Typically, the blue in Temur is used to stop someone else trying to remove your stuff or control you, which definitely fits in with temur's philosophy
I quite like temur as it’s probably the shard/wedge I have the most cards in. I got Illuna, Apex of Wishes in a booster and Arcane maelstrom, the Kalamax commander deck was the first one I ever had and bought
Izzet in a bulking phase, simic with impulse control issues, gruul prescribed adderall
Here from the MTG Color Quiz, and as a U 25%, G 22%, R 21%, this resonated unusually strongly with me. Thank you for all the effort you've put into these videos!!
To me, Temur is similar to Gruul in that it cares massively about following it's instincts and impulses, and being true to itself and what it wants to be, but the blue in Temur seeks to experiment with and find out what that is, who it truly is, over the course of it's life
Temur is transgender
My second favorite triple color combo, just because of Elementals!
I've just come across this content and don't really understand it much yet, but im super intrigued. was led here after completing the mtg color quiz.
This explains my viewpoint on the world.
Wow. Temur is amazing. I have really been looking forward to this video. I did realize something. the set of three colors that fit my personality the best is Jeskai. Temur is a close second. The shard I most relate to is Bant. That would be the third. It is nice that Temur is well rounded and into nature. I find it to be a very colorful wedge, and one that is fun to play with. I have blue as a basis. Blue is the color of knowege and study. From there green is added to form Simic. There is still a lot of study. It just gains a focus in biology. This is an enemy pair. Green is tradition, while blue is innovation. However both can work together to help one grow. The nature of green mixes with the nurture of blue. So Simic can make whole new evolved creatures. From there Temur adds red to the mix. There is learning about biology and nature. Then there is a spark of freedom and action into the mix. Blue is a major enemy pair with red. They are very different. Blue is about intellect and knowledge. Red is about emotions and passions. Both go together in Izzet. Together Izzet becomes creativity. It learns with a an excitement and passion. This can lead to Temur being curious with nature, and doing a lot to learn about it. Temur is the closest thing to scientists that the kans of Tarkir have. Alternativly it can be like Gruul but with more wisdom. Gruul is a mix of green and red. It has a primal and impulsive nature. Temur takes that primal person and add some wisdom. There is a purpose in caring for the Earth. This video did give a good way to connect the three colors together. They are mainly like the elements. I find that they also fit the layers of the brain. These layers are named acording to animal groups. This shouws how the human brain evolved over time. First green has the earth element. That is into nature and the material. This is like the lizard brain. Second red has the fire element. That is into emotions and passions. This is like mammal brain. Third blue has the water and air elements. That is into deep thoughts and abstractions. This is like primate brain. These are the three colors where elemental creatures are common. Elemental can appear in white nd black, but it isn't very oftain. Temur reminds me of the Triforce in Legend of Zelda. Now I realize that not only the colors fit but the value fits too. Green is like courage. Red is like power. Blue is like wisdom. Mother nature's right hand is most like Simic. Simic does a lot to understand nature. It works witch biology and studies it. There is added red. This gives flexibility to allow nature to do its own thing. It is different fron Simic, who tried to control it. I like the Bruce Lee quote. That is so cool. It is very reminisent in Taoism. Taoism is cool too. Lao Tsu is even one of my favorite philosophers. The purpose of curiosity is most like Izzet. Izzit i very curious. It tries to learn and experiment. It is frantic about it caring more for the process than result. Green offers a wider perspective. One learns thier place in nature. So thier expermentation has a purpose. Freedom in experience is most like Gruul. Gruul perfectly with the hunter in the wilderness. That is what people were life in olden days. Blue adds in wisdom. They are not just some primal barbarians. They can learn about nature. Then they make the best of thier environment.
Temur has always eluded me but your explanation, as usual, has made it much more clear. There's definitely some things to learn from here, as there are with all the colors and combinations. Watching the final video in the series is bittersweet, but I'm looking forward to your future content!
I always loved temur with a splash of black, like the forces of nature but with an understanding that all things must die one day
I think 2-colour guilds represent a sense of personal ethos pretty well, seeing as we can all see ourselves trying to get a particular job or be enrolled to a specific college course that's in line with our identity. Whereas 3-colour combinations can delve deeper into real-world philosophies such as political ideologies like democracy or capitalism. But anything more than three colours is really hard to discuss, because I think you would honestly have to be a philosophy major to keep consistently coming up with original ideas for that 4-colour combination. Things get way too abstract at that point and I would love for people to design their own unique set of 5 colours different from the original one's we are used to.
@Antifederalist Your argument starts from the assumption that what was originally intended by the founding fathers was good except for slavery.
@Antifederalist
Your ignorance on logic is expected.
What part of attempting to ban an import on new slaves equates to total opposition to slavery?
@Antifederalist
Stop attacking an argument I havent made and attack the ones I do.
A great serie !
Thanks you !
I'm firmly rooted in Gruul philosophy, but I think Temur is probably my ideal 3 color pair, at least in terms of my idealized personality. I want to be as free and authentic to myself as possible, and I enjoy the free-flowing and flexible nature that Temur embodies.
I have a very laid back, "Live and let live" attitude, and I think Temur fits that mold quite nicely.
That was f'n amazing and inspiring !!!!! thank you so much for this. Keep up the great work
Wow I'm happy you enjoyed it that much. It always brings a smile to my fave when I can win over a new fan
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I think it'd be very difficult, but interesting, to see philosophy videos done over the 4-color combos and 5-color/prismatic/rainbow. The 4-color would probably be very much shaped by the color missing and the 5-color might be more of a unification or "pantheistic" way of seeing things. It'd be very hard to do the 4-color given that we don't have many cards with those identities coupled with the multiple different combinations within. 5-color would probably be on roughly the same difficulty given the amount of very powerful cards within that color identity and the varied presentations.
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That is cool that you got aa Patreon. I have seen it. Good job. I am glad the Temur video is finally complete. It is the wedge video I have been looking forward to the most.
Thank you,this has def helped in my journey ^_^
Another meaning can draw from the savage brutality of Gruul and the organic iteration of Simic. An endless consumption that seeks only to serve itself. Swamp philosophy without the associated mana. This is the Temur of the Tyranids.
Blue from my perspective has never been green's enemy, it from nature that we human get the materials needed to bring our idea, ideals and innovations into being! Is just that blue at it's most extreme can overstep itself and abuse the relationship that it has with green which ends up being harmful in itself!
Woah, nice! Guided Passage.
This is so beautiful, thanks for it 💖
In gameplay and deckbuilding, it seems the Temur wedge takes the crazy experimentation of Izzet and adds Green's resources to crank it up to 11. Just throw gas on the fire.
I once saw someone describe temur as gruul’s dupstep remix, and at least as far as gameplay goes that’s pretty accurate
Looking forward to some kind of merfolk episode! Even some kind of "how to know you're a merfolk" lol
Ah yes, my favourite three-colour, the Pokémon starter trio, best for elementals!!!
YUS!!! FINALLY!!! 😍
It's over! What a long series, looking forward to the future tho
@@DiceTry I mean, there’s also 4 color combos lol
For future contents, I'm interested to see how color pie is incorporated into mechanics.
Thank you.
I feel like Riku kind of throws all of that out the window. That commander (which is also my 2nd favorite commander) basically says "Let's paint with the wide side of the brush today and see what happens" lol
So what about the five four-way groupings? I guess those would be best framed by what they *aren't* seeing as how they are only missing one of the colors. But presumably the four shards and wedges that don't contain that one color should have some common ground that might help.
These four-way groupings will always contain one strong pair (like a wedge) opposite the excluded color and two bridges (like shards). Or viewed differently, it's one extra powerful bridge that's also a dominant pair.
Like, say, non-white would have a dominant red-black pair which acts as a bridge between green and blue. It'd in effect be a sort of reflection of Bant where green and blue can equally be bridged, but instead of the bridge being rooted in community and devotion, it is one of desire and individual expression.
Although you don’t have intentions of doing the four color combos, it would be cool
I'm actually New to MTG and just got here cuz of the Personality Test, and I definitely align myself to this Philosophy.
I wonder What Shard/s and Wedge/s am I compatible with.
Temur's last one sounds great in Fatasy. But in reality nature is absolutely ruthless with a harmony mandated by death that begets life. Abandoning our cities would lead a lot of humans to die and maybe even end our species and also given that creating civilisation has become our nature, we might paradoxically contradict Green this way.
“we might paradoxically contradict Green this way.”
It sounds like you just solved your own concern ;)
There are Green ways to reject civilization and non-Green ways to build it, but there are also Green ways to build it better than we could without Green :)
I see Temur as more of indiscriminately moving toward the “nature” order of things.
Temur doesn’t have white so it isn’t caught up with building for society. And it doesn’t have black so it isn’t caught up with acting only for itself.
Temur has blue so we know they is going to continue making progress toward a goal. We know that it is also green so that goal will be predetermined, dated, or natural. It also has red so we know it pursues progress toward a natural state of what it views as harmony in a passionate even explosive way.
I think of Temur as a volcano burning down a forest to allow a new forest to grow. A tsunami washing away a coastal civilization without regard for lives lost.
Well said I enjoyed reading this perspective
I always saw temur as the Warrior in the Garden archetype.
I also like to try to view the colors individually in their combinations. So with temur it would be izzit the simic and gruul. A color added to the others. Creativity and growth focused on purpose and nature. Evolution with focus on aggression, passion, or emotional side. Gruul with some thought. The ability to think ahead to get a path for greatest self
Something I find interesting about green is it is represented by forests (trees) but trees would have been the last of the 5 representative land types to form, so on a geological scale green is the newbie.
Green look for wisdom in the past
Red live in the moment
Blue look to the future
Green's flawer is stubborn and non change
Red's flawer is it don't stop up and think before it act (like how if someone red cares about who is in danger red wouldn't find the best solution, but the fastes and maybe most dangerous
Blue overthink and can get stock in their own mind and lose touch with reality
together they look for wisdom in the past, move quickly without fear and tries to better their future self. They are willing to change, gets the bigger picture and think just enogh to get through
Can we get some color videos regarding each 3 color and 2 color based on a competitive philosophy within the game itself.
Like for example what makes temur a great 3 color deck to actually play over choosing esper or sultai for example. Well so and so temur has has these perks within the game.
in this instance, blue is Harold
Temur is such a fun wedge
I find it funny, my IRL philosophy is very Temur but my favorite color combo in game is Orzhov.
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It's crazy that it's over. The future is bright though
I think Mewtwo from Pokémon, as presented in the anime and movies as well as taking the Pokédex into consideration, would fit nicely into Timur; Mewtwo is a telepathic who is naturally curious (blue) and wants to know who he is and what his purpose is (green), but his emotions can get the better of him when someone attempts to use or control him, sending him into a fury with the desire for freedom (red).
2 questions that kind of share a prompt: What philosophies would emerge from shards with enemy pairs being dominant? What philosophies would emerge from wedges with the sole enemy color being dominant? Also something I feel isn't talked about enough is how even in the tarkir wedges, one color in the ally pairing is usually more pronounced than the other (the color clockwise to its ally on the wheel). Imagine the difference between Temur without blue vs Temur without red. Alternatively, imagine if Temur was more red leaning. I feel like there's still a lot of untapped potential in tri-color philosophies even after the conclusion of this series. The combination of simic and izzet isn't the same as the combination of simic and gruul (the latter is more closely related to Temur).
temur becomes a theoretical physicist, seeking deeper understanding of the fundamental forces of the universe, just to satisfy their own curiosity, with little use for that knowledge, temur wants to know the limits, not how to pass them, perhaps not even how to reach them.
Temur: so long as you don't touch my trees and get in my way you'll be fine....
Esper: I am going to need you to surrender those trees for my perfect society and I'm going to need to kill every predatory animal for-
And that was how the very long war was started.
To me Temur is Simic without restraint
If Momir Vig and Experiment Kraj were Simic *with restraint* I don't want to know what they would do without it
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With the new MTG X Warhammer 40k decks announced, I wanted to see how Temur color philosophy might line up with the Tyranid hive mind. Anyone well versed in both communities that can share their thoughts on how an all consuming Hive Mind fits in?
I've always been Temur myself (well, ok, most things put me as Izzet, but green is a close third position and I find I'm closer to Temur than Izzet). I am personally base blue. My personal philosophy in life is "Authenticity through Discovery," it's about exploring the wonders and horrors of the world, learning the laws that govern it as best you can, of asking why some things occur and others don't. It is the idea that the more you learn about the world, the more you can learn about yourself. And with that, given time and access to that exploration, everyone can discover who they are, who they truly are. I also tend to fall on... as odd as it may sound, agree with Diogenes? The greek philosopher who was just done with everyone's bs and wanted people to stop being fake? Not to the level of spitting on a man or peeing in the middle of the street, mind you; just that idea of stopping pretending to be eloquent and like everyone has to be prim and proper all the time. I think we can all learn and coexist a lot better if we're authentic. And knowledge will come in a ton of forms if we're all allowed to follow our interests and forge our own ideas and viewpoints that can be compared and proven/disproven/discussed.
Lol...although I like your interpretation of Temur, I cant help but feel that Temur likes to get blasted on mush and herbs
Temur takes mushrooms for sure.
I think the primary weakness of this shard is that it would have a strong impulse towards inaction. It's almost too zen, if that makes sense?
Yeah temur would be just fine living it's life among nature and allow it's life to pass by but it would be more than happy with this
I think a Red-leaning Temur would have less of that problem than a Green-leaning or a Blue-leaning Temur would :)
... says a Blue-leaning Temur who has exactly that problem :(
@@DiceTry In this regard, Temur seems almost like the Greenest version of Green.
Thanks.
great video man
Thanks I'm really happy with how this one turned out
@@DiceTry yea i really liked the color philosophy vids and wonder if your gonna try four colors or leave them alone due to them being pretty far reaching
I get asked this all the time but I'm hesitant as when you get to 4 colors the only real difference is the color missing.
@@DiceTry i get what you mean and even though you lack the one color you have it's allies so you'll still having some in common with the missing one