What You NEED To Know About Destination Charging | EV Charging
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- It's one of the key improvements we need, yet many haven't even heard of it. That's right, we're talking about destination charging. So to find out what's really going on, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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So far I’ve had reasonably good destination charging experiences on my three big distance trips to Lincoln, Blackpool, and Cardiff. Each time I was able to whip out my slow Type 2 charge cable and happily walk away, go about my business and was welcomed to a full battery on my return.
That said, as someone who cannot home charge, I rely on the cheapest local fast charge once per week, the more I think of the problem the more I see supermarkets as the ultimate winners.
If a local supermarket put in a bank of 22-50KW chargers at a fair price they’d instantly get my custom.
A 20-30min weekly shop would ordinarily give we plenty of charge for my day to day needs.
I recently had 4 days in the Lake District. The air b&b I booked had a 7 KW charger I could use as long as I have them something towards usage. I used £18 worth, at there daily rate of 23p. Bargain for convenience of not charging while we were out!
Just to add - LFP it is a good idea to bring it to 100% everynow and again for the BMS to 'learn' upper and 'lower' levels as the voltage range between full and 0% is smaller than a NMC battery and LFP are designed, due to their chemistry, to go up to 100%. But yes if you go between say 50% and say 80% everytime you charge an NMC battery will have less degradation and get many more 'cycles' available to it. I would say every now and again there is no harm to take an NMC battery to 100% from your home charger just to help the BMC rebalance itslef so to speak. :) Great video by the way :)
Above is my understanding too from the now countess videos I've watched
A word of caution.
I was using a 7KW charger at a campsite in North Wales when it went BANG, taking my cars OBC with it, a £3500 repair.
That was a year ago, and I still dont know who I was supposed to do about the damage, the camp site claims they dont own or run the charger, but there was no information ON the charger, other than the manufacturer's name.
And how do I PROVE the charger damaged my car? Even if I could identify the operators, it would be my word against theirs.
I was lucky, I had 10 WEEKS left on my 7 year warranty, so after a lot of haggling, the repair was finally authorised - but took nearly 5 months.
If you cannot identify who is operating the charger, dont stick a charging cable into it.
A very good cautionary tale. And sadly that liability is why some destinations might decide it’s not worth the hassle.
We already started to only go to the LIDL shops where we can charge.
A supermarket without charging?. . . . we will not visit anymore.
But those are expensive aren't they?
Destination charging addresses some of the problems that are often presented as barriers to EV adoption.
Destination charging is widely available in most communities, its inexpensive, and often free.
It is a convenient way of topping up while out and about, or can fill in as the primary charging source for people who cannot charge at home.
I have access to free destination charging near the trails where I walk my dog and in the parking lot where I buy groceries, and I have very inexpensive charging available throughout my city in public parking lots, parks and at the side of the street downtown.
In this country everything is seen as an opportunity to make money ! Local councils have had their budgets cut to the absolute bone and that has led to them having no option but to look for other revenue sources including car parks. If we really wanted to make a difference to Net Zero the government would make all public transport FREE and provide a network of FREE public charging points for EV drivers
My tiny Renault Zoe has been a reliable means of transport for four years. She runs nicely, runs somewhat more smoothly than most of the other cars I’ve had, and is very comfortable.
I'm looking at a zoe for a local run around, although old Leafs are quite attractive also.
@@markburton8303 I would certainly go for the Renault!! She’s been a great little car for daily running around!! I’ve had her for four years on a lease. The lease is on the edge of expiration.
Everything you said in this video makes perfect sense Dave!
Where I live in Ontario, Canada, I often find EV chargers that are overly priced for the low charging rate they provide.
I hope that eventually, EV charging rates will be based on the total kilowatts provided rather than based on time high can be disappointingly expensive.
Love the story of the car park pensioner!
BTW 3-pin EVSE are set to 10A current, so 2.2-2.4 kW...
Great video and yes we need more destination chargers. EV range will get most people where they need to be, but onward or return travel will need extra charge, So this would be the best way to do it.
I'm happy to pay the 'going rate' for any electricity I use to charge my car off the wall - including friends and family (yours may be astonished to hear that their electricity is 'free' as you suggested at the beginning of the vid!) Destination charging is too important an issue to immediately rile people up by 'demanding' 13amp charging for free. Lets imagine an ICE car could be rigged up to accept quarter of a litre of petrol an hour. Would we expect shop keepers and other organisations to install facilities and provide the petrol to trickle fuel our ICE cars? I suspect not. Points need wiring in, and maintaining, it's not just the kW. The trouble is it would actually cost quite a lot to process the payments too. What is needed is to start making the argument for destination slow charging, get funding/grants to install the wiring starting with workplace car-parks, hotels, shopping centres and town-centre car parks, and a national system of payment, which could actually be done by 'time spent parked' rather than having to measure the kWh.
Free to me, obviously, not to the provider of electricity. Regarding costs, a simple waterproof 13amp socket is enough, if it’s free to use. If someone wants to pay £1000 for Fast chargers they would deserve compensation but they would also be in competition with a hundred thousand others. 13 amp free please. It might cost £100, requires no special supply and would cost no more than £6 per day. I bet the shop air conditioning costs a lot more than that and they don’t charge for its use. Imagine here’s your bill and a10% charge for the air conditioning that was running while you were in the shop. Free really slow chargers but millions of them please
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Nice overview. We usually pick a holiday cottage where we can park close enough to charge my car if we need to. The last one we stayed even had a 3-phase supply for use by EVs 😊
@@crm114. No one gives a sh*t. !! For you and our fam safety you better hope it doesn't thermal runaway and burn your cottage down
And the ome we stayed in in Wales had a booking clause in bold type that EV charging is NOT PERMITTED!!!!!11
Kia recommend charging to 100% every month or so. No free or cheap destination chargers locally. Only free ones I’ve seen are at RSPB Minsmere and the car park for the boat to Skomer.
You should have claimed the land. There are chunks all over the country that are not listed at the land registry.
Cheers Dave
Time that every multi story car park was mandated to have one floor with destination chargers installed. Same with car parks at tourist attractions.
Who pays?
You need to get this "I can make a profit" concept out of your thinking. Do shops charge more for their products or services if they run the A/C while you are there? Is there an extra charge if the lights are on? Or an extra tax if you go there in the winter and the heating is on? Some might choose to offer free charging to their customers as part of the service to attract customers, others might make you pay, in which case they will be in competition with hundreds of thousands of other public fast chargers. If I park, I will always choose a free car park rather than one you have to pay if all else is equal.
Where i live in PA, USA the store i go to has exactly this just a free L2 7kw charger for shoppers to use
Great video as normal!
I'm hoping more free destination chargers will come online... sadly many view it as a money grab at the moment.
Places who were doing free charging are now starting to charge (although at a lower cost... or should I say at a slower cost).
However, I feel over time this will change, just like the silly rapid charge prices will go down.
Jason.
Feel like this is a video from 10 years ago really. There used to be loads of free charging, as recenty as 2020, nearly all gone now, there's only one I can think of that remains and that is made up for by the parking charge being extortionate. So free charging is off the table. Where you do make a good point is not trying to screw people eg my local National Trust has just installed chargers but they are 66p, which I to be fair I don't think the National Trust is seeing but the charge point operator is likely getting.
Picture in thumbnail looks like the new market carpark in Chester!
I went to an NCP carpark in Manchester, with 6 free chargers(Circle). Unfortunately they were the first 6 spaces as you entered, so they were all just full of ICE cars😢. Lazy bastards
Are we talking about Brighton? If so, I know the car park at which you can do just that!! Plug in and go to the beach for a couple of hours!!
Business eclectic prices are not capped. They can pay up to 5 times the domestic rates. So cost would be horrendous.
does that not apply to running the A/C? Or the lighting? Or the heating in winter? I don't see any extra charge on my receipt that reads "service charge for the use of A/C during visit to the restaurant 5%" Can we not get away from this "must rip off customers visiting my premises" attitude? Some services are always offered free of charge.
@@davetakesiton Who do you think ultimately pays for the running costs of a company. All costs are taken into account. Why should I as a customer pay extra for someone charging their EV Everyone benefits from lighting heating and air con. Only a EV driver benefits from free electric. Tesco do not give me free petrol.
What has happened to all the Ionity chargers that were supposed to be installed at Village Hotel sites?
Its a great idea but etiquette goes out the window as depand increases - look at Disabled or "child parking" spaces in your local supermarket on a saturday morning - The CPOs have zero insentive to penalise someone who is spending money in the retail park. The loure of free parking is too sucessful so thats why there are typically a 2 or 3 hour parking limit on retail park sites due to parking demand outstripping supply. Also retail parks (including the car park) is owned by a 3rd party and the shops rent the retail unit - therefore have no influrance on facilities provided by the CPO.
The time limit is something I totally agree with. Why would a supermarket pay to charge your EV if you wander off to a nearby relative or attraction? No! they could provide shoppers with free parking and charging while they are shopping. In Bristol I found they have syndicates. Four cars meet up at a McDonald’s and three park up and pile into the other car. That is organised abuse. BTW what would happen if the supermarket put a dozen waterproof sockets on the outside wall in front of bays marked EV only free charging? What could a CPO or landowner actually do? I suspect it is not written into their lease.
Some NT properties have chargers!
I think Fountains Abbey does
@@stephenbagwell8275 Fountains Abbey chargers were almost broken last time I was there late 2022 and fully broken now. However they have said they are getting new chargers installed which should be within the next month or two. However in common with other new chargers in the likes of Gibside and Wallington they'll be in the 50-60p range; so you don't charge there unless you need to.
We should bear in mind a “normal” 13A socket even an outdoor rated one shouldn’t routinely be used for charging a car. They don’t have PEN fault protect not DC leak protection - these thing can be put on a 13A socket but then with the specialist equipment and professional installation you are looking at almost the cost of a proper EVSE.
Indeed on
older properties where the property wiring might not be to the recent standards a sustained 10A pull through this old wiring can additionally cause a fire risk.
Next time you have your kettle on feel the temperature of the flex near the plug and that’s after just 1 minute. Imagine the potential issue of sub standard wall recessed cabling heating for hours on end while an EV is being charged.
At a recent EV show an electical professional said the potential danger of EV charging on a normal 13A socket shouldn’t be underplayed even in newer properties because of the lack of DC leak protection and PEN fault protection.
I’m not an electrician and welcome a professionals comment/correction or additional information.
If your kettle cable ever gets warm, you need an electrician. If your wiring is really old, you need an electrician. If you have an old fuse box with actual fuses, you need an electrician. If you do plug your EV in, you need an electrician. Please all you non electricians, me included, don't offer any advice to anyone, ever, other than to get an electrician. I get an electrician regularly to check that what I am doing is safe and also to bring everything up to the very latest standards. My last visit did need alterations to the Trip or fuse or RCD or whatever it is that protects my charger. It was correct when installed four years ago, but the latest standards require even more safety. Get an electrician.
3 pin plugs aren't a good solution to destination charging, at least outside of residental properties. All the above safety concerns as well as the max being around 2kW not 3kW plus while most people carry a Type 2 cable, I would imagine most wouldn't carry a granny charger cable too.
And then you get to the restaurant and find someone else had the same idea, wandered off for 3 hours leaving a car charging. Then getting to a beach car park and finding that the charger is out of order. Now you have to drive round in some unknown city desperately trying to find a free charger, then walk 5 miles back while the car sits for 6 hours
You go to the Lake district and spend £100 a night for a hotel. You fill up your Ev from nil to 100% overnight, and they get £60 of electric free?! Really?
Big bugbear of mine since I started driving EVs 3 years ago. The charger should be in line with the destination. Not some penis competition that it is today. If I am going to the cinema, then a 25kwh CCS unit is more then enough. Even at a motorway service area any 100kwh unit is fine as most cars don't go beyond that anyway and you should spend some dwell time at the facilities. Immediate clock watching and rushing to the toilet/coffee shop is not what they want you to do there. Put your feet up, take a break, look around the shops is better.
The 350/360 units are trying to do something for which there no absolutely no need.
The unit, no matter what the location, should allow you to plug in, go about your business, calmly, and not worry about causing a queue. That's the whole point of a car that is parked up so much and it's an EV.
A train station charger does not need to be more then 5kwh for instance.
The charger needs to be appropriate for both the location and the expected use case. Not the bragging rights of the subcontracted brands.
The cost of installing the wrong kind of units at the wrong locations must be huge
totally nailed this point. thanks
It’s the 300KW MFG banks appearing at Shell petrol stations in town/city centres that baffle me. And I see people using them - at those prices!
@@linuxretrogamer I kind of get that those locations are not ones you want to dwell at. But how many normal cars are going to need over 100kwh peak? And they are the most likely customer after all. If you have a 100k+ car, chances are you have a drive. Even 2nd hand.
@@patrickjr11 The likes of the Ioniq 5 can charge at around 220kW and is available relatively cheaply. Being able to charge that fast is the equivalent of the petrol splash and dash. I agree most of the time when stopping you want to go to the loo, have a cup of tea, but there are scenarios where you don't need a rest, you don't need the loo, you just need to charge as fast as possible.
@@MarkHewitt1978 some chargers do have high speeds as their usp. But as we move from 1% of cars ev to 100% of cars ev the location restrictions on power will become more obvious so more units but lower power will become the norm.
So, what do I do for charging up every week? I stop off at my local Tesco and charge up while I do my Tesco shopping. It only costs me between £15 and £20 a week.
I know where I can find 7kW chargers in car parks at Stratford-Upon-Avon & York
Lots of holiday rentals are now stating NO EV CHARGING
Don't book it. It's very easy for holiday rentals to charge for EV charging. Even on a granny charger. I switch my granny charger through a power meter, £20 on Amazon. The amount of electricity used on any date can be read via the app. Any rental could do this.
I find that the management companies/web sites don’t understand about granny chargers, they think I’m asking about a 7kW charger and tell me there’s no charging. I contact the cottage owner and explain that I have all the waterproof cables, will only be drawing 2kW, can tell them exactly how much I’ve drawn and will pay accordingly. Only ever been declined once….
Hello mate
Quick question about the destination chargers listed on Tesla site ..... are they open to all. I'm a non Tesla ev driver, and a pub back to my home town is listed as having free destination charging on Tesla's site, so could be useful to extend my journey time on visits and have a meal.
Generally all destination chargers are type 2, with 7kW, 11kW or 22kW, so suitable for all EVs. Some are free some require a payment. Most ask you to book to make sure it will be available and operational.
Yes it and ethos in the uk screw everyone!
The parking attendant story is an urban myth that has don the rounds for years
It could have been a scam done by quite a few people dotted around the country.
@@MadBiker-vj5qj the possibility is very low ... first you need to take control of a piece of flat land or existing parking area that is not being managed and adjacent to places that need parking for visitors. Then you have to set up some regular payment collection ... without being discovered and questioned by the legal owners. Then you have to operate this consistently, maintain the land and access, plus need signage or someone will question lack of signage. It is a story I have heard/read in many various forms over decades - especially with the coming of social media. Then you have the issue of travellers moving in .... as hey actively look for such place to set-up
If you are going to Longleat watch out, they are trying the rip off method !
I'm back
They do not get it though. destination charging they will have it but only 2 chargers. we would do a lot better if we had lots of destination chargers 5-10-100 in a carpark. Often these places shopping centre, supermarkets, could get Solar to bump up the battery storage. Know one needs free charging but the costs per kwh are usually taking the piss. I have a diesel car as well and if i have to charge outside of my house will always be the cheaper option. by far. Governments if they were serious about the environment as apposed to just taxing people would do a number of things. 1: EVs are VAT free. 2: 45% electricity green taxes removed, they are just there to bribe foreign companies to build wind farms, without this they are uneconomical.
Your first few sentences. Bang on. Destination chargers need to be multiple of them.
Don't do a single 350KW thing, do 30 7KW units instead.
350kw jobbos belong on the service forecourt, but for most of us 7kw, 11kw or 50kw is waaaay more than enough if there were more places with them.
Never use destination charging. Don't see the point. Do 95% of charging at home at 7p er KwH. For long journeys use a fast charger en route. Why faff about with chargers at supermarkets or cinemas to save a few pennies
@@CGNorwich because the majority of homes do not have access to off-street parking.
Too much babble