Vericolor II was a soft Kodak portrait film, process C41, designed for the professional portrait industry. I joined a huge school portrait company toward the end of Vericolor II's production run. We ran enough of that film through our lab every fall to stretch across the USA! Yes, the box speed for 120/220 was 100, when rated with the ASA standards. When ISO speed ratings came into being, the standard allowed that one particular film type to be rated at 125. It didn't perform any differently, but it met the ISO standard! That's where the confusion came in. Frankly, ISO 160 Vericolor III was not significantly faster than Vericolor II. We told our customers to rate Vericolor III at 125 for 35mm, 100 for 120/220 roll film, 100 for 35 and 46mm long rolls, and 80 for Estar base 70mm rolls. This yielded the same densitometric values for the different sizes, MOST of the time. It also matched what we got with Vericolor II at those same ratings! A few emulsion numbers were faster or slower, but not by more than 1/3 to 1/2 stop.
I've had issues with backing paper leaving marks on 120 film even when the film was expired by just a couple of years. And here you are, pulling out 50 year old film and its fine. Impressive.
So I think, with the reversal you did an accidental pseudo-solarization technique, hope that explains some of the weirdness in the reversal Besides the colour issues the weird outlines are because of the pseudo-solarization process, super cool technique but very hit and miss Hope you look into the process for a future video I love that look
I vouch for longer bleaching time and extra exposure to light - the orange base is basically an extra density to overcome. And your 5 stops plays nicely with the 1 stop per decade rule.
You should try to use HC110 for processing your trichromed films. It contain Benzotriazole which help to reduce fog. I have already used this technique with expired c41 film thats was really toasted and got pretty good result for what it is.
I love how compared to other channels you are eay mlre willing to do more fun stuff. Most are "oh the tones are slightly off this freames are uselss" while your channel is "images! We got images"
Whatever you did on that botched reversal roll is AWESOME and waaaay cooler than just shooting lomochome or whatever the f… please find a way to recreate that!!
babe wake up new attic darkroom just dropped let's gooooooo edit: even tho it was messed up, the c41 b+w process was weirdly cool to see, inventive work!
I'm *shocked* that these photos turned out as well as they did! And yet another extinct Kodak film stock that captivates the photography film community. Well, I'm at least captivated. How incredible would it be if film photography caught on just enough for Kodak to create limited runs of these old stocks. Thanks so much for your in-depth testing and letting us see what these rolls could look like after so many decades!
the oldest color film I ever shot was a 1976 expired Kodacolor II back in 2021. and Generally speaking, for old high speed films you want to over expose an extra stop to get good results.
after your last video about ektachrome i wanted to try by myself E-6[-] or diy home made e-6 steps for reversal process, so i right now only using ECN-2 chemistry because of cost of color nagetive so i using mostly the expired cinema films and i have great time with this, black and white right now only in rodinal so i merge this and use my old, one year ago exposition Fuji Provia 400 [old Provia not Provia 400f] and with this: 1 Rodinal 1+25 40 degree of celcius for 16:00 minutes 2 Hand exposure for almost 5 minutes because i have issue to put rolls back for the spool [home light] 3 ECN-2 steps but i increase the time of bleach and fix by 2 so i have 7 for bleach and 8 fox fix, why i don't increase color developer? i read bout only the last steps.. this i wrong My slide looks great... underdevelop probably, i don't have that many experience, but for me it's looks like they don't develop to much, so i also scan it, but it's very awful for me, but it is a slide DX so i need find more expired slide and make it again but with color develop by 2 time, also i want to thank you, i very like your style of video, so simply, not long and with content. I also want to make something for my people in Poland, i try do thi for a long time, but maybe after this experiment i maybe finish this goal?
Great stuff Sean! Crazy stuff you got there on that slide film processing shenanigans. Maybe in the future you’ll try some of that black and white transparency film. I actually have one roll of it in 35mm. I would send it to you if you’re interested.
Shot a pro pack of Vericolor 3 when i first got into 120 film. It didn't hold up nearly as well. Wild color shift but grain wasn't terrible. Converts to black and white vert well though.
ive just received scans of my shoot of vericolor it was also expired like 40 years or so but i had the 400 ISO version. I shot it at 100 and gave it to a lab to develop in C41. the negative was very dark. the scan came out very grainy with the grain being orangey, that didnt matter for my shoot, it sort of aded more character to it. Would love to shoot a couple more rolls of this if i find it at a good price localy.
Expired film sure is a gamble, I've had 1960s Verichrome pan stored in a closet come out better than a 5 year old roll of HP5+ my buddy found in a garage at an estate sale, temperature and humidity really does a lot
My dad said he used to shoot Vericolor II, I guess it was the precursor for Portra. Probably part of the reason why your normally processed roll came out looking fairly pastel. Oh and also the 35 years of expiration might have factored in there too. Maybe.
I managed to develop a roll of Agfa Isopan ISS that I found in a camera that I estimate was exposed in the mid 50's. There were images, I wasn't really expecting anything, but there are actual images with identifiable subjects. Which honestly shocked me. Now that was thankfully b&w which tends to age better.
I am trying to get my hands on a box of Vericolor III 220 film. I expect it to look terrible, but mostly I just want to have fun. Also, enjoy the Plus-X. Everyone says it is fantastic!
Recently I make video about developing e6 film in c41chemicals. But it is on Russian. Let me know if you need info about proper fogging. And c41 timings.
I have a handful of point and shoot I've been keeping around for something like 10 years now, taking a few pics from time to time I hope we'll be able to see the film quality and the relationships in my family degrade at the same time. Like yes I'm doing this for the meme, but I think we need to give more space for "meme art" as a true form of artistic expression.
I was surprised how well the pictures are. Even with the wrong colors. Looks like you did this on purpose. But results are very cool. Thanks for sharing.
i am so fascinated by the positives i keep rewinding to look at them again... i want to know so badly what happened there lol they look sick though. are you going to make a video about your diy reversal process experience?
The first I saw of C41 was when I bought a roll of Film while on a school trip and found that Kodacolor II had replaced Kodacolor-X; that would have been in about 1971 or ‘72. C22 remained in use for some years for certain specialised films, and of course for processing old film. I used to do my own C22 processing, lower temperature but much longer processing time.
That's not bad for 45 year old film. I've got a roll of Kodacolor 400 35mm I need to shoot, but it's my only roll so I dunno. I'll probably shoot it at like 25 and below...
It helps counter the base fog in terms of density. Overexposing comes with it's own set of problems like color shifts, blown highlights, etc. So it's not a magic fix.
Definitely. But how much depends on what film. I have some Tri-X that's likely 30 years expired. It's best shot at 200 or 160. 100 is still doable (gets you relatively less base fog) but density will get crazy high. Meanwhile, 30 year expired Agfa-Gevaert APX100 needed only a single stop over.
I was interested to see how this quite delicate pro film for the 1980s would come out. Then, I hit this horseshit about reversal processing. Never had much regard for the trend of this channel. My mistake.
I have no idea what I'm looking at half the time here and that's fine.
Even better, that's the appeal
Best analogue channel going. It’s an absolute crime that you don’t have hundreds of thousands of subs.
i just FOUND HIM and SUBSCRIBED ! Ha Ha !
Vericolor II was a soft Kodak portrait film, process C41, designed for the professional portrait industry. I joined a huge school portrait company toward the end of Vericolor II's production run. We ran enough of that film through our lab every fall to stretch across the USA! Yes, the box speed for 120/220 was 100, when rated with the ASA standards. When ISO speed ratings came into being, the standard allowed that one particular film type to be rated at 125. It didn't perform any differently, but it met the ISO standard! That's where the confusion came in. Frankly, ISO 160 Vericolor III was not significantly faster than Vericolor II. We told our customers to rate Vericolor III at 125 for 35mm, 100 for 120/220 roll film, 100 for 35 and 46mm long rolls, and 80 for Estar base 70mm rolls. This yielded the same densitometric values for the different sizes, MOST of the time. It also matched what we got with Vericolor II at those same ratings! A few emulsion numbers were faster or slower, but not by more than 1/3 to 1/2 stop.
Good to know, thanks!
I've had issues with backing paper leaving marks on 120 film even when the film was expired by just a couple of years. And here you are, pulling out 50 year old film and its fine. Impressive.
So I think, with the reversal you did an accidental pseudo-solarization technique, hope that explains some of the weirdness in the reversal
Besides the colour issues the weird outlines are because of the pseudo-solarization process, super cool technique but very hit and miss
Hope you look into the process for a future video I love that look
The effect is reminiscent of Sabattier effect, but in colour
I vouch for longer bleaching time and extra exposure to light - the orange base is basically an extra density to overcome. And your 5 stops plays nicely with the 1 stop per decade rule.
I didn't think about extra bleaching. I might have to try that out. Thanks!
Not gonna lie, that reversal look is pretty cool.
Blessed with another attic darkroom video!!!! Those are incredible results for how old that is!
You should try to use HC110 for processing your trichromed films. It contain Benzotriazole which help to reduce fog. I have already used this technique with expired c41 film thats was really toasted and got pretty good result for what it is.
Man.. some of those half-negative shots are really intriguing... I wanna see more of that process!
i think the weird positive images came out that way becaues of solarization, Mabey. I have heard that you shouldn't re-expose the film to sunlight.
I love how compared to other channels you are eay mlre willing to do more fun stuff. Most are "oh the tones are slightly off this freames are uselss" while your channel is "images! We got images"
I like how everyone's waiting for the video to finish to comment
Respect.
The botched reversal shots are actually my favorite out of the bunch.
Whatever you did on that botched reversal roll is AWESOME and waaaay cooler than just shooting lomochome or whatever the f… please find a way to recreate that!!
I agree! The photo at 4:25 goes extra hard!
I’ve only shot vericolor III but I love it in ECN-2! Also I know it may not have been the goal but the solarization on the reversal role looks dope
I'm surprised that the film held up so well, all things considered. I hope we can get a follow-up with that Kodacolor VR
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edit: even tho it was messed up, the c41 b+w process was weirdly cool to see, inventive work!
Pure mad lad. Takes color film, processed as black & white, then trichromes it. L o v e it!
The shot at 5:25 has something magical to it.
One of my favorite trichromes in this channel, and this is saying a lot xD
Love what your doing dude, keep it up!
I'm *shocked* that these photos turned out as well as they did! And yet another extinct Kodak film stock that captivates the photography film community. Well, I'm at least captivated. How incredible would it be if film photography caught on just enough for Kodak to create limited runs of these old stocks. Thanks so much for your in-depth testing and letting us see what these rolls could look like after so many decades!
This is crazy how good the images look on the first roll!
Can't wait to see the Kodacolor 1000 video.
Just got my trichrome filters today after being inspired by your channel. My descent into madness begins!
Had never heard of the trichrome thing! Need to check it out.
I love this channel so much!
I just bought a 100 foot roll of 35mm VericolorIII expired in 1999 and frozen, it’s nearly perfect. I should send you a roll or 3.
the oldest color film I ever shot was a 1976 expired Kodacolor II back in 2021.
and Generally speaking, for old high speed films you want to over expose an extra stop to get good results.
Shot a bunch of this that expired and I loved it!
If you like making a mess I read somewhere you could colour develop C41 films in hair dye and rodinal.
That's pretty impressive for 45 year old film. Box speed looks pretty good, maybe the sweet spot is about 3-4 stops over.
Only the Canadians will get this, but the packaging looks so much like No Name brand
I live essentially on the bridge, can’t believe we’ve never crossed paths.
after your last video about ektachrome i wanted to try by myself E-6[-] or diy home made e-6 steps for reversal process, so i right now only using ECN-2 chemistry because of cost of color nagetive so i using mostly the expired cinema films and i have great time with this, black and white right now only in rodinal so i merge this and use my old, one year ago exposition Fuji Provia 400 [old Provia not Provia 400f] and with this:
1 Rodinal 1+25 40 degree of celcius for 16:00 minutes
2 Hand exposure for almost 5 minutes because i have issue to put rolls back for the spool [home light]
3 ECN-2 steps but i increase the time of bleach and fix by 2 so i have 7 for bleach and 8 fox fix, why i don't increase color developer? i read bout only the last steps.. this i wrong
My slide looks great... underdevelop probably, i don't have that many experience, but for me it's looks like they don't develop to much, so i also scan it, but it's very awful for me, but it is a slide DX so i need find more expired slide and make it again but with color develop by 2 time, also i want to thank you, i very like your style of video, so simply, not long and with content. I also want to make something for my people in Poland, i try do thi for a long time, but maybe after this experiment i maybe finish this goal?
Great stuff Sean! Crazy stuff you got there on that slide film processing shenanigans. Maybe in the future you’ll try some of that black and white transparency film. I actually have one roll of it in 35mm. I would send it to you if you’re interested.
Shot a pro pack of Vericolor 3 when i first got into 120 film. It didn't hold up nearly as well. Wild color shift but grain wasn't terrible. Converts to black and white vert well though.
I gave a buddy a roll of VR 1000 that wasn’t stored properly and it held up shockingly well.
I got a box of Vericolor II that expired in 1982. Mine is ASA 125, and I shoot it around 15. It looks quite great in daylight!
Some of these at the 4:00 mark kinda look cool actually. They remind me of the Bowie "Ashes to Ashes" video.
ive just received scans of my shoot of vericolor it was also expired like 40 years or so but i had the 400 ISO version. I shot it at 100 and gave it to a lab to develop in C41. the negative was very dark. the scan came out very grainy with the grain being orangey, that didnt matter for my shoot, it sort of aded more character to it. Would love to shoot a couple more rolls of this if i find it at a good price localy.
Expired film sure is a gamble, I've had 1960s Verichrome pan stored in a closet come out better than a 5 year old roll of HP5+ my buddy found in a garage at an estate sale, temperature and humidity really does a lot
My dad said he used to shoot Vericolor II, I guess it was the precursor for Portra. Probably part of the reason why your normally processed roll came out looking fairly pastel. Oh and also the 35 years of expiration might have factored in there too. Maybe.
This was great! I'm so surprised how well everything turned out!
I managed to develop a roll of Agfa Isopan ISS that I found in a camera that I estimate was exposed in the mid 50's. There were images, I wasn't really expecting anything, but there are actual images with identifiable subjects. Which honestly shocked me. Now that was thankfully b&w which tends to age better.
I am trying to get my hands on a box of Vericolor III 220 film. I expect it to look terrible, but mostly I just want to have fun.
Also, enjoy the Plus-X. Everyone says it is fantastic!
Recently I make video about developing e6 film in c41chemicals. But it is on Russian. Let me know if you need info about proper fogging. And c41 timings.
I have a handful of point and shoot I've been keeping around for something like 10 years now, taking a few pics from time to time
I hope we'll be able to see the film quality and the relationships in my family degrade at the same time.
Like yes I'm doing this for the meme, but I think we need to give more space for "meme art" as a true form of artistic expression.
I was surprised how well the pictures are. Even with the wrong colors. Looks like you did this on purpose. But results are very cool. Thanks for sharing.
i am so fascinated by the positives i keep rewinding to look at them again... i want to know so badly what happened there lol they look sick though.
are you going to make a video about your diy reversal process experience?
I like the way that photos on 1978 film look like they were taken in 1978.
I love expired films. You never know what you get.....
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4:10 These would be perfect for psychedelic rock album covers!
You got my interest with Kodacolor VR 1000. Guess that's the next video?
Idk how old that kodacolor is but I had good luck shooting 25 year old vericolor 1000 at 200
for the 'positive' you could try to 'redscale' the film...
You somehow managed to invert the colors but not the exposure😆
If it expired 45 years ago, that must mean it was made in 1955 ;-;
c41+be results look like a bunch of album covers from 90's. Like it
The best use for it is negative overexposed 5 steep or maybe "only" 4.
man made a negative positive instead of a positive negative
"Baby wake up a new attic darkroom video just dropped "
cool experiment, BTW what camera(s) do you use for your videos
u can save those shots by inverting the values but not the colors
What kind of light are you using for your reversal?
My mind perceives time very weirdly. I'm 52 and my mind was thinking this film was from the 1040's or 50's. Lol then again 1990 was only 10 years ago.
The bleach bypass roll is awesome
is this good film for a newbie?
I'm surprised that it's even C41, for some reason I thought this process started in the 80s.
The first I saw of C41 was when I bought a roll of Film while on a school trip and found that Kodacolor II had replaced Kodacolor-X; that would have been in about 1971 or ‘72. C22 remained in use for some years for certain specialised films, and of course for processing old film. I used to do my own C22 processing, lower temperature but much longer processing time.
It’s a good day
That's not bad for 45 year old film.
I've got a roll of Kodacolor 400 35mm I need to shoot, but it's my only roll so I dunno. I'll probably shoot it at like 25 and below...
I've shot it.
I'll develop it soon.
Is overexposing a thing to do when you use expired film? Good video!
It helps counter the base fog in terms of density. Overexposing comes with it's own set of problems like color shifts, blown highlights, etc. So it's not a magic fix.
Definitely. But how much depends on what film. I have some Tri-X that's likely 30 years expired. It's best shot at 200 or 160. 100 is still doable (gets you relatively less base fog) but density will get crazy high.
Meanwhile, 30 year expired Agfa-Gevaert APX100 needed only a single stop over.
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I was interested to see how this quite delicate pro film for the 1980s would come out. Then, I hit this horseshit about reversal processing. Never had much regard for the trend of this channel. My mistake.
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