Alright seems like I haven't paid enough attention while checking, in the Tremor EGOs section I only consider Heathcliff's Binds a "Half" Tremor EGO, like I say vocally. My bad for this mistake. (Hope I didn't make more) Also REP Ryoshu can be added to Bleed IDs, forgot about her when writing the script. Addition: Contempt Awe as a bleed EGO as well. Because of corrosion and high infliction it can be considered a full one.
Counting Cavernous Wailing and Everlasting as half releases for tremor is crazy, these are the arcetype defining EGOs. And they still inflict a lot of that stasus, even Cavernous Whailing
You're right, I think I just forgot about her when writing the script since I was focused only on Ring IDs, my bad. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll add it in my pinned comment, sorry for my oversights in this video.
I do like how the BP Ego’s have kinda “predicted” what 3 status the seasonal units support, like Portrait predict sinking, Binds ~kinda~ predicted Tremor and Dreaming Sheep predicted Charge
I still dont really aggre with Edgar Gregor being in Strong Since even before Solemn Lament, his Skill 2 is quite abnormally strong, high clash and SUPER positive Sinking Count to the point hes actually the reason why Rime Shank is no longer needed Also all of his Skills Synergize really well with Echoes of the Manor, especially the Skill 2 which turns him from +3(Inflict2 from Clash win, lose 2 from hits, Inflict 3 on 2nd hit) , to a potential +5 if Echoes proc(+3 from Clash, Lose 2, then +4 on 2nd hit) I also would say Solemn Yi Sang is in Top because same reason as Edgar Gregor where not only their Damage is high, their Clash Win effects benefit REALLY well with Echoes(On top of Butterfly in general being really good) Also Butterfly can proc Echoes, so yeah, you see that Skill 3? There is a chance you can keep that +4(+5 if Echoes proc) Sinking Count
I mean, I don't deny their strength in sinking, but outside it, well I wouldn't use Edgar Gregor in any team save for 1 or 2 weird ones. I put at 4 IDs that can be strong or core in their archetype, but not anywhere else. And his numbers outside Sinking are really not good. In the same way, SL Yi Sang is literally core in Sinking, and even outside it is skill 3 is very strong, and he can fulfill quite a few of his conditionnals, so you can put him anywhere. But I wouldn't give him 5 because of his less valuable skill 2, and his somewhat lack of passive. So for example if I had to choose between him and Ring Sang for a pierce team, I have my choice already. And just to be clear, it's not a binary strong here not strong otherwise, it's more of a middle between their situations.
I can appreciate how you took the big hiccup of "his S3 can kill Sinking buildup early" and turned it into a selling point off the back of an E.G.O, but I don't appreciate how you neglected that Edgar Gregor's s3 also does so little damage that its rivaled in damage by its own 2-coin s1. He's strong! But if you have to account for 3 other 3-star character's passives/debuffs and EGOs, ALL to get him to his peak numbers, I think that justifies the ranking even more.
@@davy3832i'd say he's around 4.5/5 in sinking, but 3.75 otherwise. he just synergises with sinking so much that outside of it he just... does nothing.
why is K Corp hong lu up there while Zwei ish is down there?? eating shit and reviving is completely different from taking no damage at all you really need to re-evaluate
It's mostly because his mechanic is broken and I wanted to put the focus on it. Technically it all depends on the type of content, and we just have no need for a pure tank, so it's true that I might just drop it down at some point, though I might want to change the format anyway. But thought about it as well and thing is back in RR2 Hong Lu was the most valuable ID I could use for high cycles because pure tanking was needed, and I still have that in mind, so if something like this ever comes back he'll be the best imo.
@@MagnetAlpha its not that broken, and still taking no damage is much better than healing it If the idea is "don't blow up", then Hong does blow up then returns for a turn or two before blowing up again Tanks like Zwei Ish do not blow up at all however, instead reducing damage to its minimum because of defense level
@@g0ld3nkomaino82 I mean having 4 health bar with healing is more than enough, especially because he still has tank stats otherwise (+5 def lvl max possible hp) and it resets between fights for dungeons. The thing that bothers me with Ishmael is because of how multipliers work, I fear that any pierce heavy foe might literally pierce through her defense. Though she can't get staggered, so she'll always be able to clash. I'm worried about her lack of healing as well, but she has Wingbeat so it's fine. Overall she just came out so I can't affirm too much. Though the question isn't if she's strong anyway, I think that's clear enough, but what I wanted to say is that I'll tank Wayward Passenger with K Hong Lu, even if he's slash weak, and I don't know yet if I can tank pierce as well with Ish.
K-Corp Hong Lu literally can't die unless you make a concious effort to make it happen. Zwei-Ish can blow up in an instant at any time through bad plays. His ratings make a lot of sense. BL Meursault and Wild Hunt are absurdly strong with little effort, and Deici Rodya is similarly unkillable. though personally I would also put Ring Yisang into broken because he literally released broken and they were forced to keep him that way.
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919Huh? Sinking isn't as bad to manage as, say, rupture, especially with egos and effects like Echoes of the Manor, so realistically if you are running him he would be getting at least some of his conditionals and not rolling at such an abysmal maximum
I disagree for wh one,he is really.a gamechanging id compared to ring sang,that id just turn the game into literally easy mode While i agree for gregor,he should not be lower than dieci meur , dieci meur simply too bland and theres no ego that really justifies the use of dieci meur if you compare it to gregor
@@gregoriusriscadoharefa WH doesn't turn the game into easy mode - not any more than ringsang, at least. ringsang shreds through enemies instantly; WH needs a lot of time to even get to the point (and his big draw is really just the 2/3/4 atk weight sk2)
@@clswtz that what I was thinking when WH not released yet and still stick with ringsang,I even remembered the time when they nerf him because he is insanely broken on MD with all the effect synergy. I too was a former bloise(bleed-poise) team user, but everything change after wh release,tried sinking team and yeah he is just a straight up beast,he got 4 attack weight skill,comically large damage on s3 Also ramping coffin is not hard or take alot of time ,you actually only need to kill 2 enemies to get 10 coffin with S3,or you can even accidently gaining it from insane attack weight of skill 2,the only time where I can see ringsang shine better is only at focused encounter with only 1 enemy(which is rarely a thing nowadays),but I can simply just use Gregor ego to wipe it. To be honest it's either because you still stick to your bleed team or you haven't builld/played sinking properly. Also the fight nowadays is a long term battle with the new chain system,don't forget about binds id that is 1 of the best offensive ego ever exist.. In conclusion,WH heathcliff simply offer alot of versatile and useful kit ,from his skill,passive and ego.
@@gregoriusriscadoharefa "he is broken on MD" why are you using MD as an example? lol. the game is really easy too so ramping coffin via killing enemies is meaningless when you can win rate the entire process and only engage in the boss fights - and in boss fights ringsang is better, with a much better skill two, a much better skill three, and even a respectable skill one (though it's not as good as WH counter) you are right in that i stick to my bleed team; i prefer its units to sinking (which i do have a team built out for)
@@clswtz you have missed alot of the point that I ve said - fight nowadays is a long term battle with multiple enemies,so when the boss wave started,heath already has full stack of coffin -i used MD as example because that's the most played content in the game due to lack of other content,or do you want to compare him at RR4 where heathcliff shine brightest?also I used the MD as example to point out the nerf to ringsang because the nerf only affect MD gameplay -you only justifies the use of ringsang because a single win rate button? -how can you say he got much better skill 3 than wh,wh is famous for his S3 and that thing is spammable with counter(with enough sp of course) -while his s2 has weaker damage and coin power,his attack weight justifies all of that,do you even know how strong 4 attack weight is If you ask me about sinking unit power I may agree they are on weaker side compared to bleed, weaker clash and damage,but that doesn't matter since they only job to help support the fight and stacking sinking to enemies,since powerhouse unit like heath and powerhouse ego of gregor already do all the job
just random question and idk even know if anyone can answer this but will project moon will ever give these bad ID like a rework to make them more relevant or better? I just started playing the game for like 6 months
With another Zwei Sinclair coming up, I kinda feel like it's a huge nope, but I can't affirm it yet. It's very unlikely that they touch back on these IDs directly, so they'll either redo stuff like BL Meursault, making a whole team relevant, or if/when uptie 5 comes up they might be brought back into the spotlight, but we have no info about this part yet, so likely not before a while. (And the more time pass, the more I'm worried about it) I don't think the director mentionned it during his livestream, so for now nobody has a clear answer in any case.
My hope is uotie 5 But have it LEVEL required Like 0 ID need level 50, 00 lvl55 and 000 level 60 Why separate them trought season? To have time to work no them And not have Uptie 5 on 000 overshadow everyone else. This wiuld also make sense story wise, as sinner need Boughs to get max level increase and the level increase allow them to use strongher ID. Having it level caped makes sense to have the ID get more "technical experience" Also makes the up to now games be static, as it wont come to paly until the level cup is reaches, otherwise you have case of uptie 4 id just steam rolling over Canto 3-4
Oh my god you're right I didn't. Yup shame on me. My mind completely removed her from bleed for some reason. I couldn't associate her to a not fully working archetype I guess. Thanks for this, I'll add it to my list of oversights.
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Alright seems like I haven't paid enough attention while checking, in the Tremor EGOs section I only consider Heathcliff's Binds a "Half" Tremor EGO, like I say vocally. My bad for this mistake. (Hope I didn't make more)
Also REP Ryoshu can be added to Bleed IDs, forgot about her when writing the script.
Addition: Contempt Awe as a bleed EGO as well. Because of corrosion and high infliction it can be considered a full one.
any picture version of the tier list please?
Counting Cavernous Wailing and Everlasting as half releases for tremor is crazy, these are the arcetype defining EGOs. And they still inflict a lot of that stasus, even Cavernous Whailing
Oops, mistake in editing, only Binds is considered a half
Linton greg being below dieci meur is definitely
*an* opinion
6:57 why only 2? red eyes ryoshu should definitely count, as even thought she lacks bleed count, she has great potency, which is what bleed needed
You're right, I think I just forgot about her when writing the script since I was focused only on Ring IDs, my bad. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll add it in my pinned comment, sorry for my oversights in this video.
I do like how the BP Ego’s have kinda “predicted” what 3 status the seasonal units support, like Portrait predict sinking, Binds ~kinda~ predicted Tremor and Dreaming Sheep predicted Charge
I still dont really aggre with Edgar Gregor being in Strong
Since even before Solemn Lament, his Skill 2 is quite abnormally strong, high clash and SUPER positive Sinking Count to the point hes actually the reason why Rime Shank is no longer needed
Also all of his Skills Synergize really well with Echoes of the Manor, especially the Skill 2 which turns him from +3(Inflict2 from Clash win, lose 2 from hits, Inflict 3 on 2nd hit) , to a potential +5 if Echoes proc(+3 from Clash, Lose 2, then +4 on 2nd hit)
I also would say Solemn Yi Sang is in Top because same reason as Edgar Gregor where not only their Damage is high, their Clash Win effects benefit REALLY well with Echoes(On top of Butterfly in general being really good)
Also Butterfly can proc Echoes, so yeah, you see that Skill 3? There is a chance you can keep that +4(+5 if Echoes proc) Sinking Count
I mean, I don't deny their strength in sinking, but outside it, well I wouldn't use Edgar Gregor in any team save for 1 or 2 weird ones. I put at 4 IDs that can be strong or core in their archetype, but not anywhere else. And his numbers outside Sinking are really not good.
In the same way, SL Yi Sang is literally core in Sinking, and even outside it is skill 3 is very strong, and he can fulfill quite a few of his conditionnals, so you can put him anywhere. But I wouldn't give him 5 because of his less valuable skill 2, and his somewhat lack of passive. So for example if I had to choose between him and Ring Sang for a pierce team, I have my choice already.
And just to be clear, it's not a binary strong here not strong otherwise, it's more of a middle between their situations.
I can appreciate how you took the big hiccup of "his S3 can kill Sinking buildup early" and turned it into a selling point off the back of an E.G.O, but I don't appreciate how you neglected that Edgar Gregor's s3 also does so little damage that its rivaled in damage by its own 2-coin s1.
He's strong! But if you have to account for 3 other 3-star character's passives/debuffs and EGOs, ALL to get him to his peak numbers, I think that justifies the ranking even more.
@@davy3832i'd say he's around 4.5/5 in sinking, but 3.75 otherwise. he just synergises with sinking so much that outside of it he just... does nothing.
Damn I made a mistake when sharding Devyat Rodion, I was blinded by the shiny new ID, I didn’t even see she had an even better one. Dammit
why is K Corp hong lu up there while Zwei ish is down there??
eating shit and reviving is completely different from taking no damage at all
you really need to re-evaluate
It's mostly because his mechanic is broken and I wanted to put the focus on it. Technically it all depends on the type of content, and we just have no need for a pure tank, so it's true that I might just drop it down at some point, though I might want to change the format anyway.
But thought about it as well and thing is back in RR2 Hong Lu was the most valuable ID I could use for high cycles because pure tanking was needed, and I still have that in mind, so if something like this ever comes back he'll be the best imo.
@@MagnetAlpha its not that broken, and still taking no damage is much better than healing it
If the idea is "don't blow up", then Hong does blow up then returns for a turn or two before blowing up again
Tanks like Zwei Ish do not blow up at all however, instead reducing damage to its minimum because of defense level
@@g0ld3nkomaino82 I mean having 4 health bar with healing is more than enough, especially because he still has tank stats otherwise (+5 def lvl max possible hp) and it resets between fights for dungeons. The thing that bothers me with Ishmael is because of how multipliers work, I fear that any pierce heavy foe might literally pierce through her defense. Though she can't get staggered, so she'll always be able to clash. I'm worried about her lack of healing as well, but she has Wingbeat so it's fine. Overall she just came out so I can't affirm too much. Though the question isn't if she's strong anyway, I think that's clear enough, but what I wanted to say is that I'll tank Wayward Passenger with K Hong Lu, even if he's slash weak, and I don't know yet if I can tank pierce as well with Ish.
K-Corp Hong Lu literally can't die unless you make a concious effort to make it happen.
Zwei-Ish can blow up in an instant at any time through bad plays.
His ratings make a lot of sense. BL Meursault and Wild Hunt are absurdly strong with little effort, and Deici Rodya is similarly unkillable. though personally I would also put Ring Yisang into broken because he literally released broken and they were forced to keep him that way.
I just think gregor is a little low. He is one of the best sinking id
Biggest problem is that his conditionals are a hard to achieve, his rolls are 11 16 16, which is good, but to get more than that is very hard
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919Huh? Sinking isn't as bad to manage as, say, rupture, especially with egos and effects like Echoes of the Manor, so realistically if you are running him he would be getting at least some of his conditionals and not rolling at such an abysmal maximum
Great video as always. Highly excited for what's coming for Season 5
Can’t wait for season 6 in 2 years
no way cavernous and everlasting are half when they are main type of tremor people use
yep it's an editing mistake, mb
thank you for this! i hope you can do it for season 5 as well!
Ring Sang > WH Heathcliff
Linton Greg > Dieci Meur
I disagree for wh one,he is really.a gamechanging id compared to ring sang,that id just turn the game into literally easy mode
While i agree for gregor,he should not be lower than dieci meur , dieci meur simply too bland and theres no ego that really justifies the use of dieci meur if you compare it to gregor
@@gregoriusriscadoharefa WH doesn't turn the game into easy mode - not any more than ringsang, at least. ringsang shreds through enemies instantly; WH needs a lot of time to even get to the point (and his big draw is really just the 2/3/4 atk weight sk2)
@@clswtz that what I was thinking when WH not released yet and still stick with ringsang,I even remembered the time when they nerf him because he is insanely broken on MD with all the effect synergy. I too was a former bloise(bleed-poise) team user, but everything change after wh release,tried sinking team and yeah he is just a straight up beast,he got 4 attack weight skill,comically large damage on s3
Also ramping coffin is not hard or take alot of time ,you actually only need to kill 2 enemies to get 10 coffin with S3,or you can even accidently gaining it from insane attack weight of skill 2,the only time where I can see ringsang shine better is only at focused encounter with only 1 enemy(which is rarely a thing nowadays),but I can simply just use Gregor ego to wipe it.
To be honest it's either because you still stick to your bleed team or you haven't builld/played sinking properly.
Also the fight nowadays is a long term battle with the new chain system,don't forget about binds id that is 1 of the best offensive ego ever exist..
In conclusion,WH heathcliff simply offer alot of versatile and useful kit ,from his skill,passive and ego.
@@gregoriusriscadoharefa "he is broken on MD"
why are you using MD as an example? lol. the game is really easy too so ramping coffin via killing enemies is meaningless when you can win rate the entire process and only engage in the boss fights - and in boss fights ringsang is better, with a much better skill two, a much better skill three, and even a respectable skill one (though it's not as good as WH counter)
you are right in that i stick to my bleed team; i prefer its units to sinking (which i do have a team built out for)
@@clswtz you have missed alot of the point that I ve said
- fight nowadays is a long term battle with multiple enemies,so when the boss wave started,heath already has full stack of coffin
-i used MD as example because that's the most played content in the game due to lack of other content,or do you want to compare him at RR4 where heathcliff shine brightest?also I used the MD as example to point out the nerf to ringsang because the nerf only affect MD gameplay
-you only justifies the use of ringsang because a single win rate button?
-how can you say he got much better skill 3 than wh,wh is famous for his S3 and that thing is spammable with counter(with enough sp of course)
-while his s2 has weaker damage and coin power,his attack weight justifies all of that,do you even know how strong 4 attack weight is
If you ask me about sinking unit power I may agree they are on weaker side compared to bleed, weaker clash and damage,but that doesn't matter since they only job to help support the fight and stacking sinking to enemies,since powerhouse unit like heath and powerhouse ego of gregor already do all the job
I just wanna talk I juust wanna talkIjustwanna-
*Who puts base don BELOW NCORP MERSAULT*
wait is base don just really good or is ncorp meursault really bad
@@dumdum7184 a little bit of both
just random question and idk even know if anyone can answer this but will project moon will ever give these bad ID like a rework to make them more relevant or better? I just started playing the game for like 6 months
With another Zwei Sinclair coming up, I kinda feel like it's a huge nope, but I can't affirm it yet. It's very unlikely that they touch back on these IDs directly, so they'll either redo stuff like BL Meursault, making a whole team relevant, or if/when uptie 5 comes up they might be brought back into the spotlight, but we have no info about this part yet, so likely not before a while. (And the more time pass, the more I'm worried about it) I don't think the director mentionned it during his livestream, so for now nobody has a clear answer in any case.
My hope is uotie 5
But have it LEVEL required
Like 0 ID need level 50, 00 lvl55 and 000 level 60
Why separate them trought season?
To have time to work no them
And not have Uptie 5 on 000 overshadow everyone else.
This wiuld also make sense story wise, as sinner need Boughs to get max level increase and the level increase allow them to use strongher ID.
Having it level caped makes sense to have the ID get more "technical experience"
Also makes the up to now games be static, as it wont come to paly until the level cup is reaches, otherwise you have case of uptie 4 id just steam rolling over Canto 3-4
I'm surprised you forgot to add Contempt Awe into Bleed EGO archetype we earned this season. As Ryoshu enjoyer, Shame on you.
Oh my god you're right I didn't. Yup shame on me. My mind completely removed her from bleed for some reason. I couldn't associate her to a not fully working archetype I guess. Thanks for this, I'll add it to my list of oversights.
Banger
Subjective List as usual.