@Beep Boop atleast I don't have to pretend to be every other ethnicity that I'm not like u do. Must be hard for u to cope with your history picking cotton since you like to pretend to be other people
@Beep Boop what next are you going to be saying that Hernando Cortez and george washington were black ? The Easter bunny and tooth fairy must be black too right?
Great video. I read in the book called "Black Indians" by William Katz that the spanish explorers/conquistadors used to hire Africans as translators to communicate with the indigenous people of the Americas.
Estevanico is one notable figure, and York from the Lewis & Clark is another one too. These black men eased tensions on these explorations when they came across Natives
In one of Colombus manuscripts, he notes that the natives in the Americas had told him there was some people who had crossed over from the other side of the ocean. He notes that spears his crew had found looked liked the spears from Guinea. It is of importance to note Colombus had visited Gold Coast (Ghana) and regions of Mali/Senegal area previously. The West African area was known to the Portuguese as Guinea.
Colombo wasn't even the first to sail for Portuguese or Spanish Kingdoms to several parts of the American Continent. Also thinking a lot of Portuguese and Spanish weren't moors just 'cause they converted to Christianity is also incorrect. Both Kingdom were born out of a 700years occupation. Flags change. Ethnicities don't. Portuguese and Spanish are also Arabic/Persian/Middle-Eastern. Specially in the South. Both Portuguese and Spanish Languages have hundreds of Arabic words and adaptions. Also in both Countries a lot of Cities and Regions specially in the South have Arabic Names. And that influence is treasured to this day. Some of the first Iberian Navigators look like Persians, Arabs, Middle-Easterns. Mauro, Moors, Mouros, Morenos.
@@mikegreen8938 Soninke Wangara look into them. The Black Caribs existed before Columbus in Florida, Columbia, Panama and the Carib island as the black Maroons.
@@blvcklandtv7113 nah the black maroons are the Asante warriors that fought their captors and established their own town... They came after slavery. The Taino are the original black carribs of Jamaica
My ex-girlfriend was a full-blooded Mayan Indian, she was also a clan mother and dancer and Elder for that community. She told me in no uncertain terms, that there were in fact black men who indeed did sail to the Americas before Columbus. They were known among the Mayans as men of knowledge and power.
Have you seen the bonampak murals ? If not google the images on youtube and it will show you who really were the full blooded mayans. You might be in for a shock
Mansa Musa's hajj proved that 14th Century Mandinka could organize large peaceful expeditions across great distances. Given the wealth and stability of Mali at this time in history, along with the wealth of knowledge available, I have no doubt that the Trans Atlantic journey took place either successful or not is the only question, it is recorded in both Egypt and Mali.
That trip nearly bankrupted Mali, and he brought back no ArabAfrican shipwrights to even build vessels. Where did they get the technology to even go across the Atlantic?
@Reezy37 This is a blatant lie in order to feed your ego and insecurity about your own history. While West African war Canoes were more than capable of taking down European vessels on the coast they could not fight in open water nor could they strike out into the Atlantic for a sea voyage.
@@martonyomchale342he trip didn’t bankrupt Mali. Musa giving up to much gold did. He wasn’t the first West African king to go on Hajj. Askia Muhammad went on Hajj before Musa. While I concede that there is little evidence to support the idea that they sailed across the Atlantic. It wouldn’t have been impossible. And for the record the supposed trip made by Abu Bakari happened before the Hajj of Mansa Musa.
This is the point I make when say West Africans didn't sail across the Atlantic. You all only believe it to be true because you want to be the 1st to do it. It shows your level of immaturity and it shows you aren't a true student of history. History is not the study of who did something first, or who is greater than. Once you understand that, it doesn't matter who did something first, it only matters why a people did something.
@@martonyomchale342 according to a historian: Dr Michael Gomez in his book african dominion “But even if mythical, to speak of such a voyage reflects a certain aggres- siveness, a kind of restlessness on the part of a growing central authority fueled by unchecked territorial expansion. A vast realm had allegedly been formed under Sākūra, reaching “from the Ocean and Ghāna in the west to the land of Takrūr in the east,” and al-‘Umarī confirms that by the time of Mansā Sulaymān (Mūsā’s brother and successor), Mali “adjoined the Atlantic Ocean,” a claim reiterated by Ibn Khaldūn, who asserts Mali ex- tended to the domains “of Ghāna as far as the Ocean on the west.”26 It was through Malian-claimed lands, therefore, that a tremendous amount of Sahelian commercial activity was transacted. A turn to the Atlantic sug- gests interest in exploring additional commercial opportunities, rather than setting sail simply for the hell of it. Ships equipped with gold evince anticipation of contact and transaction.”
Also Nigeria’s Dufuna canoe which was estimated to be at approximately 8500 years old is the 2nd (perhaps even the oldest) boat in the world. I won’t be surprised at all if more like these are found across the continent.
@@ario4795 🤓🤓🤓 wow just because someone is not educated in a subject more so than you, does not mean they are willful ignorance. If a person is an astronaut and know 99% of astronomy and you're not an astronaut, let's say you just know 3% of astronomy does this mean that you are willfully ignorant?... do not forget there's no excuse for your lack of knowledge because if so then it is willful!
There is no doubt! One of those who was with Columbus when they first arrived in America wrote and described seeing black men. Egyptian mummies found with traces of cocaine and nicotine proving trade with South America. Pyramids in South America. Drawings of seaworthy boats in Northern Africa demonstrated an understanding of what was required for voyages at sea. These drawings dated well before Columbus. History is a version and the European version was to always paint the picture that black people were dumb, soulless, didn´t have written languages, maths or science etc. Some would prefer to believe that the pyramids were the work of aliens than to attribute the massive engineering feat to black people, and then argue that North Africans aren´t actually Africans! The European version was necessary to convince their public that what they were doing wasn´t immoral, including biologists afirmando that there are ´races´ among us. Global capitalism relied on the generations of free labor in the form of en slavery as its kick starter.
I always thought it made sense that the Mali empire went to the new world. They were traveling up the west coast of africa, which is where our hurricanes begin, as heatwaves over the sahara. It makes a lot of sense that a nation wealthy in salt would be able to cross the ocean, and would cross the ocean. I also believe that the Hispaniola is only african might be related to the Seminole tribe, who may have been a part of the Mali voyages. They were also the navigators for Columbus, so clearly they knew the Atlantic better than any other empire at the time.
If there was any sort of sustained contact between the two Columbus would have found people who already had horses, cattle, pigs, sheep, etc. The diseases that devastated the new world also would have already been there. It's pretty clear there was no contact or knowledge of the new world prior to Columbus.
Even if they were able to cross the Atlantic, do you think they would’ve made the voyage with women and children?? Let’s say they took women and children, wouldn’t we see that prevalent all over north, south and Central America? Plus do you know how many people and generations it would take to populate a continent? At the height of the mail empire around 1200-1300 AD, do you think they could have bred enough to populate the whole continent of America?
@@jahfreep What? Who said Africans populated ALL of the Americas? That would be absolutely ridiculous. No, I think there may have been voyages, and they may have even had a colony on an island, at the absolute most. And yes, in that time frame, 1300-1400AD, just in time to be able to navigate for Columbus.
Let us not forget that in 1921, Prof. Leo Weiner was fired from Harvard for teaching that African sailors had arrived in America before Columbus. Some of the documented evidence came directly from Columbus himself, e.g., the diary of his second voyage mentions getting help from Africans to sail from the Canary Islands.
I do believe Mansa Musa's story. Even if people are lying, there is always some truth to it. That also explains why the mali empire never invested more into maritime voyages around the african continent.
@@justinamusyoka4986 Only americans would believe that and they dont dare to say something because they scared to hurt your feeling and to be called a racist... Everybody knows Middle-East is cradle of civilization...
To this day communities in central America speak of knowledge passed down that their ancestors traded with black skinned people not from their land. African and native Americans indeed had trade contact. Also the Pacific Islanders, Chinese, and Vikings. The Americas were not isolated.
I appreciate the content on this channel. 👌🏾But was wondering if it wouldn't be a nice addition to list the sources for some deeper dives into some of this.
Oh my bad! I use RUclips Vanced, which takes away sponsors and commercials but in some of these also cut short intros, outros and credits. Was also looking for them in the description... thanks😅👍🏾
Al-Umari’s record of this conversation is the only account of this voyage, as it is not mentioned by other medieval Arab historians or West African oral tradition.
I read a great book from the 70's (I think) about this topic called "They Came Before Columbus". I highly recommend that book, I learned so much. The author covers archeological evidence from South and Central America that, to me, seemed very conclusive that more than one African expedition made it to America and triggered a renaissance in their culture and religion. Super fascinating!
I don’t question it. I don’t see a reason why the brothers had any reason to fabric such a thing. He seemed to be a man of great ambition. I’m also tired of having to prove anything to Europeans.
@@croixfadas What about the Phoenicians (from Lebanon) that conquered North Africa and certain territories of South Portugal, South Spain, South Italy and that built the City of Carthage in Tunisia giving birth to the Carthaginians that faught the Romans. Or the Umayyad Caliphate (from Saudi Arabia, Iran,Iraq) that conquered North Africa and at its peak invaded/occupied the Iberian Peninsula (Portugal+Spain) from the 8th to 15th Century. Are those your brothers!?
The maritime knowledge was given to the Jews by the moors of Spain and Portugal prior to the Spanish and Portuguese inquisition. The Jews gained a lot of knowledge from the moors , especially navigation and the study of the stars.
I'm just gonna throw out that sea levels weren't as high as they are now. They are actual islands in between Africa and the Caribbean and South/Central America. So the distance isn't like what it is on today's maps. Also, there have been people who recreated West African boats that would have been made at Musa's time and made the trip and arrived on the Caribbean. They did it to see if it could be done, so they could give the world modern, documented proof that the Spanish/Portuguese were not the first to discover the Americas and silence the critics.
That is true, especially when you start talking about the Olmecs. Based on my previous research, the leading theory is that the Olmecs likely have an East Asian lineage, however, scientists and explorists have proven that it is possible to travel by from Africa to the Americas using a vessel that is only guided by the wind and the ocean (in this case).
@Jamal Timmerman is that all u can do is be a parrot 🦜 stfu blaqboi before u get put to sleep and sent to Jesus and u gonna be mad when u find out that he not black he is jewish so he was brown like me.
What would the ship they used look like? did they use an existing ship, used for coastal trade or did they enlarge an existing ship for open water exploration?
SO, Mansa Abu bakr was the king before mansa Musa and he sent about 12 ships to see how far the Atlantic Ocean went, and only one ship came back. Mansa Abu Bake left his throne to go explore the ocean, and then mansa Musa becomes king. Africans might've definitely touched America before Columbus
Here's what happened. Some of the ships landed in the Americas in different areas. Two questions remain. 1. How many ships landed? Where did they all land? Tainos, Mayans, and whoever met Balboa were aware of them. Balboa met some Africans on his quest for gold, and he wrote it on his journal.
Oceans could move people, materials, seeds, fruits, etc., there are some indications Ocenia received at least some South American vegetation this way. interesting food for thought
@@samcox443 bro really forgot the ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE bible has hella mistranslations “corn” בָּ֛ר Grain of any kind (even while standing in the field); by extension the open country
5:00 I really with you mentioned the Olmecs because, The Olmec heads prove that there has been West Africans traveling to the new world for centuries. African people are the first people to populate the earth so how could we not mention the fact that African have been ocean mariners for hundreds of thousands of years.
Even if African's made it to the America's, there's no evidence that they populated the continent and if they made it there, they met people there. You know how many people it would take to populate north, south and central America? All of a sudden there's a few revisionists who are pushing this aboriginal narrative and that they're indigenous and didn't come from Africa. They're are so lost that they can't even back up their evidence to their indigenous claim. At times i'm taken aback by how much we really hate ourselves.
This is the truth. People can't even answer simple questions , like why is there no evidence , and why no one from slavery ever said anything about this , even though some of their lives are documented, and if it was true( which is not). We would have to be the dumbest people to get enslaved on are own land
@@soda8736 well I wouldn’t use such a strong word as “dumbest” because colonization is a form of slavery and Europeans were able to colonize Africa. What I would say is use Africa as an example. It was colonized by Europeans and all over you still see evidence of infrastructure, culture and history despite the ravages of the continent. These idiots claim they’ve always been here but they have no evidence of villages, infrastructure, art that’s unique to them. Culture that’s unique to them. Even their own culinary dishes resemble Africa.
All hurricanes that reach the Americas start in Africa. So it's is likely that Africa reached the Americas many years before colombus. The olmec structures found in the Americas of heads look similar to African features with braided hair. Remember it was the Jews and moors that was expelled from Spain and Portugal. It was the Jews that started the atlantic slave trade. Colombus was of Jewish origin.
@@soda8736 maybe piri reis map, the fact such a map was just lying in constantople's library without any other copies and Piri reis took it as guess work is highly suspicious. Most of south America and the andes wasn't discovered yet but such accurate details of the features and even the animals was documented. Can't be the secretive potugese or the berber dyanasties
So what? The vikings also explored the Atlantic Ocean before Columbus, and before Mansa Musa's predecessors for that matter. The big difference is that they actually reached the Americas.
Love the exploration of African history but can we stop comparing our ancestors to the West? It sounds like we're kids at a playground going "Look look look! We can do it too!"
I wouldn't say it's comparing at all. A lot of people believe that West Africans were isolated from the rest of the world, till the scramble occurred. Finding out that they not only had interest, but the equipment to send fleets out for voyages is amazing for this reason.
@@thevisitor1012 you can do that though without always going "so and so did this before *insert famous euro person *" or "So and so African country had plumbing JUST LIKE *Insert empire of antiquity"
For those who refuse to read or study for themselves, research the writings of and on the Ancient Greeks, they admit to traveling to the land of Kemet to study at the feet of the Blacks
This channel used to do what you are saying , but I guess there is more money or attention in race baiting and this constant competition with white people, sadly this channel has become psuedo
@@dablaccseaproductions5279 he literally was wrong and had to recant and make up something else. He wanted the attribute the Egyptians 25th dynasty with coming to the Americas , but when the dates of the Olmecs civilization were concluded it didn't match up with the 25th dynasty..
@DaBlaccSea Productions massive cope from DaCottonpicker who can't come to terms with the truth about your slave past and getting beaten by a rival african tribe and sold to the anglosaxons by your own people.
Here's an interesting article examining whether or not Abubakari II actually made it to Brazil. "A True History of Abu Bakr II? This would seem to be pretty clear cut evidence that Abu Bakr II reached the Americas before Columbus, but there are several questions over Boure Bambouk and the Brazilian colony. The story of Mansa Abu Bakr II comes from his brother, but Mali does not record a mansa of that name ruling before Mansa Musa. The location of the supposed colony is unknown, and there is no surviving evidence from the Malian empire of New World trade..." From: Abu Bakr II: Did the King of Ancient Mali go to America? by Bipin Dimri
According to professor clyde winters the mande script was found in the americas which proves that the malians arrived in the Americas. Also of note is that certain pre-columbian black tribes in america wore the same exact clothing as the Malians even the same kind of head covering. There is also evidence of mounds that were similar to those in mali
There are alleged traces of coca and tobacco found in Egyptian mummies. Plants that only grew in the America's at the time. Added to the similarities of pyramids and megalithic structures found as well based on sacred geometry. I believe, if not for the fact that these indicated an African connection more precise research would have been carried out by the Western educational l establishment. One theory I would like to put forward. Could Mansa Musa's misjudged display of wealth be the catalyst for European exploration of the continent in their unabated quest for gold? That ultimately led to the enslavement of Africans by Europeans.
The mummy thing has been researched and most believe it to be contamination. But the catalyst for the trans Atlantic slave trade was spices. Early European colonial efforts and exploration were almost entirely driven by the desire to get around the Ottoman control of the spice trade in Europe. Once the new world was colonized it created a need for huge amounts of slave labor.
@@Larry_Suave Exactly! It was all about the Spices. And that's why they were called SPICES ROUTES! The same that now Xi Jiping wants to re-do till 2050 spreading trade ports in Africa. Spreading money all over. I'm Portuguese we study those Routes. In fact we created them! Vasco da Gama was the first to go around South Africa to India in 1496-98. Afterwards British Empire tried to steal all those routes and trade ports. That's how Goa (India) and Macau (China) were Portuguese Cities. The Asian loved the African Ivory and we loved the Asian Spices. Portuguese Trade Ports in Africa traded mostly spices, ivory, gold and slaves. And slaves were sold by African Tribe/Kingdoms Rulers that enslaved other weeker Tribes. Rulers like Queen Nzinga. She alone sold millions to the Portuguese and Dutch Empires. But in fact trans-atlantic slave trade took much lesser slaves from Africa then "Middle-Eastern" Empires like the Turquish Ottoman. They bought them in the North of Africa and Portuguese in the South.
It's a very interesting an fascinating possibility. The problem is we don't have documents or physical evidence to back it up. If they did make it to the Americas...they were not able to return or establish a trade network. What type of ships would they have been able to make that would survive that journey.. The europeans had trouble building and financing these ships(which is one of the reason slavery becamse so profitable). There is speculation that Muslim Sailors alreay knew about these currents and possibly had gotten to the Americas first before Columbus and that he learned from them.
There have probably been multiple isolated occurrences of people discovering the Americas. The only thing that is certain is that Columbus' voyage was the first to reach word back to the old world and have lasting results.
All of it sounds good, but as you said in the beginning, leaving and not coming back doesn’t mean they succeeded in finding what is now known as The Americas.
@@tyronedawn5048 It doesn’t, but there is literally less evidence for it happening opposed to it happening. So that’s why the overall understanding is it didn’t happen.
@@bmrjck2315 Those Olmec statues date back long before this time period. They are unrelated. Also I don't see how they are undeniably African, natives living in Central America have similar features to those statues.
Before the Portuguese and before Colombo. The Vikings which have navigated in the Mediterranean and have taken with them some people from the north Africa Mediterranean coast. The Vikings reached the north America coast - Canada before Colombo. It’s believed that the Vikings did take some Africans as part of the rowing teams… Yes, In 1482 Diogo Cão Portuguese navigator,on is way down the west coast of Africa, entered the Congo river, and they come across huge canoes made out of gigantic trees…
Actually that is the name given to it by those we call Europeans, the original inhabitants of lands bordering those waters before the development of European people as an ethnic group had their own name for that body of water, which name has been lost to the passage of time as those who moved out of Kemet began to populate the other regions of the world.
HomeTeam narrator: "To begin with, the only Africans who have been seriously considered candidates for Altnatic Maritime exploration were the Mandinka people of the Mali Empire." Anzicana/Azania, the Guinean and Nigerian kingdoms, Abyssinians, Almoravids, indigenous Canarians, Malagasies and Khoisans/Pygmies: "Are we a joke to you?"
Malagasies came across the Indian Ocean. It's impressive, and a testament to the genius of the Austronesian peoples, but it's not Atlantic exploration.
Northern Nigeria was under the hegemony of the bornu empire who had no interest to sail hundreds of miles from the border down the niger river w/ foreign kingdoms tribes and kings along the niger who may see the expedition as a group of spies or a prize for plunder The ife empire’s idjo subjects say “the Yorubans in days of old went on sea voyages which lasted a ear before they came home again” (Leo Frobenius) but they had NO SAILS and they probably went to the north (Awlil island) and/or south coast of Atlantic Africa Almoravids power was centered in North Africa, abysinians were in the indian ocean trade, Guinean kingdoms were not advanced enough according to Malian historical records. The Almoravids attemept to go into the Atlantic but was stopped at the sargossa sea in the Atlantic & turned back and were marooned on the canary islands were they were confronted by canary islanders who did the same thing and also failed “"It was from the city of Lisbon that the Adventurers (mugharrarun) embarked on the Sea of Darkness to see what was in it and where it ended, as has been previously mentioned. In the city of Lisbon, in a place near to the baths, there is a street (darb) named after them Darb al-Mugharrarin permanently. This is how it was. Eight men, all cousins, participated in equipping a cargo ship into which they put water and supplies to suffice them for months, then they put to sea at the first blowing of the east wind and sailed before it for about eleven days, till they reached a sea with rough waves, a bad smell, many reefs and little light. They thought that they would certainly perish, so they turned their sails on to the other tack and continued voyaging towards the south for twelve days, till they came upon the Isle of Sheep. There are sheep there of which the number cannot be known whether by count or estimation (tahsil). They pasture freely without shepherd or overseer. They made for this island and disembarked there. They found a spring of running water, over which was a wild fig tree. They took some of those sheep and slaughtered them but found their flesh to be bitter and no one could eat it. So they took some of their skins and travelled on towards the south for twelve days until they sighted an island, where they perceived building and cultivation, so they made for it to see what was there. They were not far away when they were surrounded by boats there and taken and carried in their ship to a city on the sea coast, where they were lodged in a house. In this place they saw reddish-brown men with thin lank locks and of tall stature. Their women were amazingly beautiful. They were imprisoned in a house for three days and then, on the fourth day, a man came in to them who could speak the Arabic language and asked them about themselves, why they had come, and where their country was. They told him all about themselves and he promised them that all would be well, and informed them that he was the king's interpreter. On the day following that day they were brought before the king, who asked them what the interpreter had asked them and they told him what they had told the interpreter on the previous day, namely that they had ventured on to the sea to see what they could find out about the marvels in it and discover where it ended. When the king learned this he laughed and said to the interpreter: "Tell these people that my father ordered some of his slaves to embark on this sea, and that they cruised upon it for a month until light was cut off from them and they turned back without anything or any profit worth having." Then the king ordered the interpreter to promise them good and that they should think well of the king. He did so, then they were taken away to their place of imprisonment until the west wind began to blow. They were embarked on a boat and their eyes were bandaged and they were carried over the sea for a certain time. The people said: "We estimated that we were carried for three days and nights until we were brought to the mainland. We were taken out and handcuffed from behind and left on the shore until the next day dawned and the sun rose. We were in an unfortunate predicament through the tightness of the handcuffs until we heard a tumult and men's voices so we all cried out together and the people came towards us and found us in that bad situation. They released us from our bonds and questioned us and we told them who we were. They were Berbers. One of them said to us: 'Do you know how far it is between you and your country?' We said: 'No.' He said: 'Between you and your country there is a distance of two months.' The leader of the group said: 'Wa asafi!'(44) so the place has been called Asafi to this day." It is the port in the Farthest West which we have mentioned above." 44: Lit. "O my grief!" i.e. "Alas!". In another note to the text, the editors suggest that the Berbers that took them out of the handcuffs and told them how far they were from their home country were "probably Berbers of the Western Sahara."” Pygmies and khoisan were hunter gatherers Malagasy did not possess oceanbgoing vessels as they relied on the Swahili to do that for him
I believe there are many truths to African pre Colombo exploration of the Americas. Exploring the canary current populated the Caribbean, and the Americas with west Africans who integrated with the few indigenous people and exchanged cultures through trade and relationships. Unfortunately Colonial powers “ Manifest Destiny” dictates “HIStory” regardless of the truth. My question is, when hasn’t a coastal people not become seafaring, exploring for food and resources?
This is completely distorted content. Maybe they discovered it by being pushed out by winds and waves. If this was true why did they not make it up the easiest route of finding the European countries. Africans did not have naval prowess and only hugged their coast line. Why is the word "king" being used as the leaders of any African leaderships. This is a colonial term. The invention of the sexton which helped with star navigation was important to sail at night.
Was it just me, or you didn't mention Abu Bakr II name and the the fact that the Spanish took golden tipped spears from central America when tested the gold was from. West Africa aka mali
The ships that probably touched land were manned by the least knowledgeable crew. Could explain why there isn’t any concrete evidence of their landing. Or, any clear evidence was destroyed upon discovery: codex, steles and stories. There is a well documented history of such things being destroyed
Kind of difficult to destroy those Olmec heads at the time they were discovered, all they could do was rebury them in the overgrowth. The literature of the first Spanish and Portuguese explorers also indicate there was an African presence there before they arrived.
@@samcox443 yeah but, if Olmecs who had an understanding of the universe and their place in it, they could easily point to and display where they came from; unless the evidence was destroyed. And wouldn’t they return with evidence on the other end (Africa) displaying the journey
Touch what land!? Didn't you watch the Video!? Those Canoes were all gone in the Canary Islands 'cause of the Canary currents. That's in the Coast of Morocco right next to Mali. You thinking Mali had boats capable of crossing the Atlantic in 1300 (14th Century) is just delusional! There's a thing called Navy History. Caravels were invented by the Portuguese Navy in the 15th Century and Portuguese Navy goes back to 12th Century. Go search how those boats were game changing in crossing Oceans and in battles all over the World. Till that time only Vikings got to the American Continent and it was in the North, sailing always near the coast from Greenland to Alaska 'cause not only they didn't had the proper boats as they didn't knew how to sail without land sight. Search "Portuguese nautical science" and "Portuguese Navy" if you wanna learn anything about it.
Is he basically redoing his old videos now? I don't have a problem with it, sometimes youtubers update old material when they think their they can make better videos. I'm just asking because I could've sworn he's done this and a couple other subjects before. I could also be confusing it with his patreon material, though.
Yeah, i remember a video related to this topic as well. My guess is that he decided to make another video that focuses more on the controversy surrounding it.
Keep in mind that the only history that is taught our schools is European history. You have to have the enough knowledge to know that the world did not begin in Europe. That's why our first teachers should be our parents
I remember messaging the late Runoko Rashidi about this because I was fascinated by the probability, specifically referring to whether or not there were ancient wrecks or certain tribes that were proficient in boat building, anything. He was , to my surprise and disappointment, rather rude to me in his response. In hindsight, it was probably because messaging was still kinda new and he may have read it thinking I was being dismissive in my question.
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@Beep Boop atleast I don't have to pretend to be every other ethnicity that I'm not like u do. Must be hard for u to cope with your history picking cotton since you like to pretend to be other people
@Beep Boop what next are you going to be saying that Hernando Cortez and george washington were black ? The Easter bunny and tooth fairy must be black too right?
Great video. I read in the book called "Black Indians" by William Katz that the spanish explorers/conquistadors used to hire Africans as translators to communicate with the indigenous people of the Americas.
Estevanico is one notable figure, and York from the Lewis & Clark is another one too. These black men eased tensions on these explorations when they came across Natives
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In one of Colombus manuscripts, he notes that the natives in the Americas had told him there was some people who had crossed over from the other side of the ocean. He notes that spears his crew had found looked liked the spears from Guinea. It is of importance to note Colombus had visited Gold Coast (Ghana) and regions of Mali/Senegal area previously. The West African area was known to the Portuguese as Guinea.
;Hispaniola was full of Black Indians known as ancient Caracoles of Hayti and Black Caribes
@@GaryTisdaleFungkSta1 Black Caribs didn't exist before the 17th century. There's nothing wrong with telling the whole truth.
Colombo wasn't even the first to sail for Portuguese or Spanish Kingdoms to several parts of the American Continent. Also thinking a lot of Portuguese and Spanish weren't moors just 'cause they converted to Christianity is also incorrect. Both Kingdom were born out of a 700years occupation. Flags change. Ethnicities don't. Portuguese and Spanish are also Arabic/Persian/Middle-Eastern. Specially in the South. Both Portuguese and Spanish Languages have hundreds of Arabic words and adaptions. Also in both Countries a lot of Cities and Regions specially in the South have Arabic Names. And that influence is treasured to this day. Some of the first Iberian Navigators look like Persians, Arabs, Middle-Easterns. Mauro, Moors, Mouros, Morenos.
@@mikegreen8938 Soninke Wangara look into them. The Black Caribs existed before Columbus in Florida, Columbia, Panama and the Carib island as the black Maroons.
@@blvcklandtv7113 nah the black maroons are the Asante warriors that fought their captors and established their own town... They came after slavery.
The Taino are the original black carribs of Jamaica
My ex-girlfriend was a full-blooded Mayan Indian, she was also a clan mother and dancer and Elder for that community. She told me in no uncertain terms, that there were in fact black men who indeed did sail to the Americas before Columbus. They were known among the Mayans as men of knowledge and power.
Hm.
wonder if she could be contacted for more research on this topic?
Lol sure
Have you seen the bonampak murals ? If not google the images on youtube and it will show you who really were the full blooded mayans. You might be in for a shock
@@kerubel1436yes the bonampak murals are a great indicator of African and meso American trading
Mansa Musa's hajj proved that 14th Century Mandinka could organize large peaceful expeditions across great distances. Given the wealth and stability of Mali at this time in history, along with the wealth of knowledge available, I have no doubt that the Trans Atlantic journey took place either successful or not is the only question, it is recorded in both Egypt and Mali.
That trip nearly bankrupted Mali, and he brought back no ArabAfrican shipwrights to even build vessels. Where did they get the technology to even go across the Atlantic?
@Reezy37 This is a blatant lie in order to feed your ego and insecurity about your own history. While West African war Canoes were more than capable of taking down European vessels on the coast they could not fight in open water nor could they strike out into the Atlantic for a sea voyage.
@@martonyomchale342 get a life & stop talking nonsense. If your anti black just say it 😂
@@martonyomchale342 #️⃣ShutYoWhiteMouth. ✔️✊🏾💯
@@martonyomchale342he trip didn’t bankrupt Mali. Musa giving up to much gold did. He wasn’t the first West African king to go on Hajj. Askia Muhammad went on Hajj before Musa. While I concede that there is little evidence to support the idea that they sailed across the Atlantic. It wouldn’t have been impossible. And for the record the supposed trip made by Abu Bakari happened before the Hajj of Mansa Musa.
man just imagine how scary it would be being the first one to sail the atlantic
Africans were doing it for over 50 thousand years
Arabs called it the sea of darkness
This is the point I make when say West Africans didn't sail across the Atlantic. You all only believe it to be true because you want to be the 1st to do it. It shows your level of immaturity and it shows you aren't a true student of history. History is not the study of who did something first, or who is greater than. Once you understand that, it doesn't matter who did something first, it only matters why a people did something.
@@martonyomchale342 according to a historian: Dr Michael Gomez in his book african dominion
“But even if mythical, to speak of such a voyage reflects a certain aggres- siveness, a kind of restlessness on the part of a growing central authority fueled by unchecked territorial expansion. A vast realm had allegedly been formed under Sākūra, reaching “from the Ocean and Ghāna in the west to the land of Takrūr in the east,” and al-‘Umarī confirms that by the time of Mansā Sulaymān (Mūsā’s brother and successor), Mali “adjoined the Atlantic Ocean,” a claim reiterated by Ibn Khaldūn, who asserts Mali ex- tended to the domains “of Ghāna as far as the Ocean on the west.”26 It was through Malian-claimed lands, therefore, that a tremendous amount of Sahelian commercial activity was transacted. A turn to the Atlantic sug- gests interest in exploring additional commercial opportunities, rather than setting sail simply for the hell of it. Ships equipped with gold evince anticipation of contact and transaction.”
@@martonyomchale342 the Norse did it first regardless
Also Nigeria’s Dufuna canoe which was estimated to be at approximately 8500 years old is the 2nd (perhaps even the oldest) boat in the world. I won’t be surprised at all if more like these are found across the continent.
They would never publicize any such discoveries.
@@warrendoris9669 Have you ever heard of the Dafuna canoe? Apparently such discoveries are publicized.
@@ario4795 1st I've heard of it
@@lonfromdadiaspora willful ignorance is not an excuse
@@ario4795 🤓🤓🤓 wow just because someone is not educated in a subject more so than you, does not mean they are willful ignorance.
If a person is an astronaut and know 99% of astronomy and you're not an astronaut, let's say you just know 3% of astronomy does this mean that you are willfully ignorant?... do not forget there's no excuse for your lack of knowledge because if so then it is willful!
There is no doubt! One of those who was with Columbus when they first arrived in America wrote and described seeing black men. Egyptian mummies found with traces of cocaine and nicotine proving trade with South America. Pyramids in South America. Drawings of seaworthy boats in Northern Africa demonstrated an understanding of what was required for voyages at sea. These drawings dated well before Columbus. History is a version and the European version was to always paint the picture that black people were dumb, soulless, didn´t have written languages, maths or science etc. Some would prefer to believe that the pyramids were the work of aliens than to attribute the massive engineering feat to black people, and then argue that North Africans aren´t actually Africans! The European version was necessary to convince their public that what they were doing wasn´t immoral, including biologists afirmando that there are ´races´ among us. Global capitalism relied on the generations of free labor in the form of en slavery as its kick starter.
well said 🙏🏾
I always thought it made sense that the Mali empire went to the new world. They were traveling up the west coast of africa, which is where our hurricanes begin, as heatwaves over the sahara. It makes a lot of sense that a nation wealthy in salt would be able to cross the ocean, and would cross the ocean. I also believe that the Hispaniola is only african might be related to the Seminole tribe, who may have been a part of the Mali voyages. They were also the navigators for Columbus, so clearly they knew the Atlantic better than any other empire at the time.
If there was any sort of sustained contact between the two Columbus would have found people who already had horses, cattle, pigs, sheep, etc. The diseases that devastated the new world also would have already been there. It's pretty clear there was no contact or knowledge of the new world prior to Columbus.
Even if they were able to cross the Atlantic, do you think they would’ve made the voyage with women and children?? Let’s say they took women and children, wouldn’t we see that prevalent all over north, south and Central America? Plus do you know how many people and generations it would take to populate a continent? At the height of the mail empire around 1200-1300 AD, do you think they could have bred enough to populate the whole continent of America?
@@jahfreep What? Who said Africans populated ALL of the Americas? That would be absolutely ridiculous. No, I think there may have been voyages, and they may have even had a colony on an island, at the absolute most. And yes, in that time frame, 1300-1400AD, just in time to be able to navigate for Columbus.
@@jjoohhhnn If that was the case why wouldn't there be any record of that happening? Columbus' journey is pretty well documented.
@@Larry_Suave Columbus's navigator wasn't African?
Let us not forget that in 1921, Prof. Leo Weiner was fired from Harvard for teaching that African sailors had arrived in America before Columbus. Some of the documented evidence came directly from Columbus himself, e.g., the diary of his second voyage mentions getting help from Africans to sail from the Canary Islands.
From which Port did they sailed ?
Canary Islands (Spain) are at the Coast of Morocco.
I recently found his book on Amazon, I plan to order it shortly after I finish reading about the Kingdom of Kush.
In my 50 Cent voice “whatever he said he did, he did that isht.” 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.It's true _ he sure did.
I do believe Mansa Musa's story. Even if people are lying, there is always some truth to it. That also explains why the mali empire never invested more into maritime voyages around the african continent.
There is still so much to discover in our continent.
Or…and here me out…Musa was actually covering for something even bigger
Think about it, why would musa mention 2000 more ships
From which Port do they sailed ?
@@easterworshipper730 Gambia, best place for Ships to be docked in the African interior
@@saratmodugu2721 Gambia was a Port ?
It's also possible Africans travel to Australia. Swahili coins have been found in Australia
Everything started from Africa,the cradle of civilization.
@@justinamusyoka4986 Only americans would believe that and they dont dare to say something because they scared to hurt your feeling and to be called a racist... Everybody knows Middle-East is cradle of civilization...
@@justinamusyoka4986 I'm calling 🧢 on that one.
@@223fukyew ofc you will Latin king , you guys started the world & discovered everything 🧢👏
Cope
Black Africans are always so giving, even to a country that denied their Blackness because Mansa saw them as people of the same land.
Always, Great data, 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🙏🙏🙏🙏👑💯❤️
To this day communities in central America speak of knowledge passed down that their ancestors traded with black skinned people not from their land. African and native Americans indeed had trade contact. Also the Pacific Islanders, Chinese, and Vikings. The Americas were not isolated.
I appreciate the content on this channel. 👌🏾But was wondering if it wouldn't be a nice addition to list the sources for some deeper dives into some of this.
In the credits at the end of EVERY video
Oh my bad! I use RUclips Vanced, which takes away sponsors and commercials but in some of these also cut short intros, outros and credits. Was also looking for them in the description... thanks😅👍🏾
Al-Umari’s record of this conversation is the only account of this voyage, as it is not mentioned by other medieval Arab historians or West African oral tradition.
Thank you 😊 for the great and informative video 🎥 sir!
Cool as always, thanks for sharing with us again
At one time,We Did It All, didn't We?❓👍🏿
Yes black men were in the Americas before the Asian or white.
I read a great book from the 70's (I think) about this topic called "They Came Before Columbus". I highly recommend that book, I learned so much. The author covers archeological evidence from South and Central America that, to me, seemed very conclusive that more than one African expedition made it to America and triggered a renaissance in their culture and religion. Super fascinating!
I don’t question it. I don’t see a reason why the brothers had any reason to fabric such a thing. He seemed to be a man of great ambition. I’m also tired of having to prove anything to Europeans.
Well its interesting speculation
But there's no facts in this video
Blaq ppl always be reaching 😆😆😆 they just can't cope with reality
@@brixcosmo Yes west Europeans comes from one ethnic group (look at the barbarians conquest of rome), and they are not our brothers.
@@croixfadas What about the Phoenicians (from Lebanon) that conquered North Africa and certain territories of South Portugal, South Spain, South Italy and that built the City of Carthage in Tunisia giving birth to the Carthaginians that faught the Romans. Or the Umayyad Caliphate (from Saudi Arabia, Iran,Iraq) that conquered North Africa and at its peak invaded/occupied the Iberian Peninsula (Portugal+Spain) from the 8th to 15th Century. Are those your brothers!?
@@brixcosmo Yes they were black african so yes.
The journey was basically proven by Ivan Von Sertima in his video titled they came before Columbus.
No it wasn't. Nothing was ever proven by him. That's afro-centric pseudo science.
From which Port did they sailed?
They Came Before Columbus by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima 💯
From which Port did they sailed ?
The maritime knowledge was given to the Jews by the moors of Spain and Portugal prior to the Spanish and Portuguese inquisition.
The Jews gained a lot of knowledge from the moors , especially navigation and the study of the stars.
I'm just gonna throw out that sea levels weren't as high as they are now. They are actual islands in between Africa and the Caribbean and South/Central America. So the distance isn't like what it is on today's maps.
Also, there have been people who recreated West African boats that would have been made at Musa's time and made the trip and arrived on the Caribbean. They did it to see if it could be done, so they could give the world modern, documented proof that the Spanish/Portuguese were not the first to discover the Americas and silence the critics.
That is true, especially when you start talking about the Olmecs. Based on my previous research, the leading theory is that the Olmecs likely have an East Asian lineage, however, scientists and explorists have proven that it is possible to travel by from Africa to the Americas using a vessel that is only guided by the wind and the ocean (in this case).
True
@@chukwuemekaanyimukwu7312 your ancestors didn't come here because they would have got their azzz kicked.
@Jamal Timmerman is that all u can do is be a parrot 🦜 stfu blaqboi before u get put to sleep and sent to Jesus and u gonna be mad when u find out that he not black he is jewish so he was brown like me.
@@jamaltimmerman7052 nah its 🧢 but cope harder
Thanks for your work❤.. Also everyone should look into “The American Colonization Act of 1817”
Great content👍👍
ONE THING THE WEALTHIEST MAN ON THE PLANET DOESN’T HAVE TO DO IS LIE
Came through to remember my ancestors!!! 💪🏾💯
What would the ship they used look like? did they use an existing ship, used for coastal trade or did they enlarge an existing ship for open water exploration?
Good luck finding those Canoes in the Canary Islands near the coast of Morocco! 🤣
West Africa is closer to the Americas than Europe!
Doesn’t have a oceanic sailing tradition until after the portugese
@@saratmodugu2721no
awesome insight!
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SO, Mansa Abu bakr was the king before mansa Musa and he sent about 12 ships to see how far the Atlantic Ocean went, and only one ship came back. Mansa Abu Bake left his throne to go explore the ocean, and then mansa Musa becomes king. Africans might've definitely touched America before Columbus
It was Mansa Muhammad ibn Qu
@@saratmodugu2721 That's not how you say it
The king story got to be true .. how else could he know about the powerful river running through the Sea
Here's what happened. Some of the ships landed in the Americas in different areas. Two questions remain. 1. How many ships landed? Where did they all land? Tainos, Mayans, and whoever met Balboa were aware of them. Balboa met some Africans on his quest for gold, and he wrote it on his journal.
I hope it is true and some day I'm sure there will be proof.
You should look into the Olmecs and loan words which seem to be of Mandinka origin
Oceans could move people, materials, seeds, fruits, etc., there are some indications Ocenia received at least some South American vegetation this way. interesting food for thought
Food for thought: How did corn get into the biblical story of Joseph.
@@samcox443 there was never any corn mentioned in the bible
@@saratmodugu2721 see the story of how Joseph got to be advisor to the pharoah.
@@samcox443 bro really forgot the ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE bible has hella mistranslations
“corn” בָּ֛ר Grain of any kind (even while standing in the field); by extension the open country
5:00 I really with you mentioned the Olmecs because, The Olmec heads prove that there has been West Africans traveling to the new world for centuries. African people are the first people to populate the earth so how could we not mention the fact that African have been ocean mariners for hundreds of thousands of years.
But olmecs look exactly like the Aboriginal Americans of that region. Not to mention no African style of culture has ever existed there
Dont forget also the bonampak murals
@@kerubel1436 Idk, there noses look more east Indian than wesr African, hmmm
Another massive cope from the slave decendants who like to pretend they are everyone else
Why from after Columbus came to the New world, there no documented African voyages ?
Even if African's made it to the America's, there's no evidence that they populated the continent and if they made it there, they met people there. You know how many people it would take to populate north, south and central America? All of a sudden there's a few revisionists who are pushing this aboriginal narrative and that they're indigenous and didn't come from Africa. They're are so lost that they can't even back up their evidence to their indigenous claim. At times i'm taken aback by how much we really hate ourselves.
This is the truth. People can't even answer simple questions , like why is there no evidence , and why no one from slavery ever said anything about this , even though some of their lives are documented, and if it was true( which is not). We would have to be the dumbest people to get enslaved on are own land
@@soda8736 well I wouldn’t use such a strong word as “dumbest” because colonization is a form of slavery and Europeans were able to colonize Africa. What I would say is use Africa as an example. It was colonized by Europeans and all over you still see evidence of infrastructure, culture and history despite the ravages of the continent. These idiots claim they’ve always been here but they have no evidence of villages, infrastructure, art that’s unique to them. Culture that’s unique to them. Even their own culinary dishes resemble Africa.
All hurricanes that reach the Americas start in Africa. So it's is likely that Africa reached the Americas many years before colombus.
The olmec structures found in the Americas of heads look similar to African features with braided hair.
Remember it was the Jews and moors that was expelled from Spain and Portugal.
It was the Jews that started the atlantic slave trade. Colombus was of Jewish origin.
Yeah they probably had it mapped out in some ports.
Piri reis map’s undiscovered parts of southern South American & andes
@Sarat Modugu that map is a forgery 😂😂😂
@@Milkchocolate99 strange nobody agrees with u
Where are the maps,?
@@soda8736 maybe piri reis map, the fact such a map was just lying in constantople's library without any other copies and Piri reis took it as guess work is highly suspicious.
Most of south America and the andes wasn't discovered yet but such accurate details of the features and even the animals was documented. Can't be the secretive potugese or the berber dyanasties
They Came Before Columbus by Ivan Van Sertima.
Know thyself A1s☝🏾🖤
the americas was almost a ran thru place by a lot of ancient African tribes
So what? The vikings also explored the Atlantic Ocean before Columbus, and before Mansa Musa's predecessors for that matter. The big difference is that they actually reached the Americas.
And the Carthaginians and Phoenicians before them also did it, it's about the multiple contacts that may have happened before Colombus.
@@Zakariya3603 But he says they didn't make contact with anybody, they turned back because of an ocean current.
Love the exploration of African history but can we stop comparing our ancestors to the West? It sounds like we're kids at a playground going "Look look look! We can do it too!"
I wouldn't say it's comparing at all. A lot of people believe that West Africans were isolated from the rest of the world, till the scramble occurred. Finding out that they not only had interest, but the equipment to send fleets out for voyages is amazing for this reason.
@@thevisitor1012 you can do that though without always going "so and so did this before *insert famous euro person *" or "So and so African country had plumbing JUST LIKE *Insert empire of antiquity"
For those who refuse to read or study for themselves, research the writings of and on the Ancient Greeks, they admit to traveling to the land of Kemet to study at the feet of the Blacks
Exactly, throw the measuring tape out and learn for enrichment. Skeptics can't weaponise skepticism and expect to be taken seriously
This channel used to do what you are saying , but I guess there is more money or attention in race baiting and this constant competition with white people, sadly this channel has become psuedo
West Africa is great
Then why do black people now want to be from ever where but west Africa ? They think they are Egyptians, Moors, Jews, and now Native Americans.
@@soda8736 because for one, all these people you mentioned were black and 2 the history of West Africa isn’t as explored sadly
Which Is the oldest Port in West África ?
What happened to your animated West African village video?
Mansu Abkra for anyone who wants to know who the other king was
Has anyone read They Came before Colombus by Ivan van Sertima ?
The book has been debunked, just like this theory this channel is pushing..
@@soda8736 just because someone takes disagreement doesn’t mean its debunked
@@dablaccseaproductions5279 he literally was wrong and had to recant and make up something else. He wanted the attribute the Egyptians 25th dynasty with coming to the Americas , but when the dates of the Olmecs civilization were concluded it didn't match up with the 25th dynasty..
@DaBlaccSea Productions massive cope from DaCottonpicker who can't come to terms with the truth about your slave past and getting beaten by a rival african tribe and sold to the anglosaxons by your own people.
@@soda8736 who did the dates🤔
This is the truth
Why did all the Hawaiians Samoans and the indigenous Americans look black?
No wonder we never here nothing before 1492 in school is always columbus and the indians🤔 keeiping africans out of history is the goal .
Here's an interesting article examining whether or not Abubakari II actually made it to Brazil.
"A True History of Abu Bakr II?
This would seem to be pretty clear cut evidence that Abu Bakr II reached the Americas before Columbus, but there are several questions over Boure Bambouk and the Brazilian colony.
The story of Mansa Abu Bakr II comes from his brother, but Mali does not record a mansa of that name ruling before Mansa Musa. The location of the supposed colony is unknown, and there is no surviving evidence from the Malian empire of New World trade..."
From:
Abu Bakr II: Did the King of Ancient Mali go to America?
by Bipin Dimri
These people are the people we call native Americans and that's a fact
According to professor clyde winters the mande script was found in the americas which proves that the malians arrived in the Americas. Also of note is that certain pre-columbian black tribes in america wore the same exact clothing as the Malians even the same kind of head covering. There is also evidence of mounds that were similar to those in mali
Professor huh, i wonder how many citations he’s got lol😂
I was taught it was Mansa Musa's brother who made the voyage.
Where is he buried at? Both of their graves, where are they at?
Yes,abu bakker,he never came back.
@@ronn3988 😆🤦♀
There are alleged traces of coca and tobacco found in Egyptian mummies. Plants that only grew in the America's at the time. Added to the similarities of pyramids and megalithic structures found as well based on sacred geometry. I believe, if not for the fact that these indicated an African connection more precise research would have been carried out by the Western educational l establishment. One theory I would like to put forward. Could Mansa Musa's misjudged display of wealth be the catalyst for European exploration of the continent in their unabated quest for gold? That ultimately led to the enslavement of Africans by Europeans.
The mummy thing has been researched and most believe it to be contamination. But the catalyst for the trans Atlantic slave trade was spices. Early European colonial efforts and exploration were almost entirely driven by the desire to get around the Ottoman control of the spice trade in Europe. Once the new world was colonized it created a need for huge amounts of slave labor.
@@Larry_Suave that’s not true
@@Larry_Suave white supremacist hegemonic lies.
@@Larry_Suave Exactly! It was all about the Spices. And that's why they were called SPICES ROUTES! The same that now Xi Jiping wants to re-do till 2050 spreading trade ports in Africa. Spreading money all over. I'm Portuguese we study those Routes. In fact we created them! Vasco da Gama was the first to go around South Africa to India in 1496-98. Afterwards British Empire tried to steal all those routes and trade ports. That's how Goa (India) and Macau (China) were Portuguese Cities. The Asian loved the African Ivory and we loved the Asian Spices. Portuguese Trade Ports in Africa traded mostly spices, ivory, gold and slaves. And slaves were sold by African Tribe/Kingdoms Rulers that enslaved other weeker Tribes. Rulers like Queen Nzinga. She alone sold millions to the Portuguese and Dutch Empires. But in fact trans-atlantic slave trade took much lesser slaves from Africa then "Middle-Eastern" Empires like the Turquish Ottoman. They bought them in the North of Africa and Portuguese in the South.
@@Runitup84 Internet's a blessing why don't you use it to study!? Search for "Spice Trade" or "Portuguese Spice Trade".
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The Conscious Community has been arguing this for years, and to be honest, I am still a little skeptical.
yea but they discredit Africans by saying we aint Africans,its ignorant af
Because it isn't true.. just wishful thinking
Everybody but American history books knows this already …mansa musa to the moors
Dr. Ivan Van Sertima and the German historian of Mesoamerican history who preceded him already substantiated this history.
That book has been debunked he lied about dates to prove his theory
@@soda8736 cap
@@soda8736
Show n prove and cite your sources. I want all the smoke!!
@@shabazz6682 Debunking The Black Indian Myth: From They Came Before Columbus to Hidden Colors.. google that article
From which Port did they sailed?
Humanity is too old. Of course there were would have been earlier navigations across the Atlantic before the ignoramus Columbus.
We are the people who knew the way of the water which is why they spent so much time demonizing it & making us fear it
Dane Calloway deals extensively with the ocean gyres.
Thanks for the broadcast.
B1
how amazing
I heard Malian gold tip spears were found in brazil as well as malian words being used by natives. Is there any truth this?
Dr Ivan Van Sertima wrote a book explaining this. He has videos on RUclips
They were actually found haiti
@@kerubel1436 the taino made the same quantities of percentages of the same alloys
@@saratmodugu2721 prove it. What is your source?
@@kerubel1436 the murals, look at those hooked noses.
West africans except those of nomadic berber bedoiun descent have flat noses
It's a very interesting an fascinating possibility. The problem is we don't have documents or physical evidence to back it up. If they did make it to the Americas...they were not able to return or establish a trade network. What type of ships would they have been able to make that would survive that journey.. The europeans had trouble building and financing these ships(which is one of the reason slavery becamse so profitable). There is speculation that Muslim Sailors alreay knew about these currents and possibly had gotten to the Americas first before Columbus and that he learned from them.
There have probably been multiple isolated occurrences of people discovering the Americas. The only thing that is certain is that Columbus' voyage was the first to reach word back to the old world and have lasting results.
Research “Olmec Heads” and let your curiosity guide you
Explain why cocaine was found in the mummies if they did not return.
@@samcox443 also google the bonampak murals
@@mikecarlton9000 That's been debunked lmao.
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I Believe!!!!
Not just previous it was his older brother
Has any of you been in the open Atlantic Ocean past the break water? I would need more evidence than stories.
All of it sounds good, but as you said in the beginning, leaving and not coming back doesn’t mean they succeeded in finding what is now known as The Americas.
Doesn't mean they didn't succeed either.
It may connect the Olmec civilization to Africa. All of the giant Olmec heads and Olmec statues have undeniable African facial features .
@@tyronedawn5048 It doesn’t, but there is literally less evidence for it happening opposed to it happening. So that’s why the overall understanding is it didn’t happen.
@@bmrjck2315 Those Olmec statues date back long before this time period. They are unrelated. Also I don't see how they are undeniably African, natives living in Central America have similar features to those statues.
Olmec doesn't have African features. African have and extended head back usually, Olmec have flat square heads
The garifuna claim they came before colombus
Before the Portuguese and before Colombo. The Vikings which have navigated in the Mediterranean and have taken with them some people from the north Africa Mediterranean coast. The Vikings reached the north America coast - Canada before Colombo. It’s believed that the Vikings did take some Africans as part of the rowing teams… Yes, In 1482 Diogo Cão Portuguese navigator,on is way down the west coast of Africa, entered the Congo river, and they come across huge canoes made out of gigantic trees…
Why not the Amazon river instead of the Canary current?
“River IN THE OCEAN”
I wonder if that powerful current was the Bermuda Triangle
They may have come around the bemuda triangle
The Atlantic Ocean original name is the Ethiopian Sea
Actually that is the name given to it by those we call Europeans, the original inhabitants of lands bordering those waters before the development of European people as an ethnic group had their own name for that body of water, which name has been lost to the passage of time as those who moved out of Kemet began to populate the other regions of the world.
Some will consider it highly significant that the name meant Black as in the sea of the blacks
Ethiopia(n) is a Greek word.
Mo keys have made it from. Africa to America, and the modern humans are from Africa. This is only a debate colonization and canonization.
You americans crazy.... Everything comes from Middle-East...
HomeTeam narrator: "To begin with, the only Africans who have been seriously considered candidates for Altnatic Maritime exploration were the Mandinka people of the Mali Empire."
Anzicana/Azania, the Guinean and Nigerian kingdoms, Abyssinians, Almoravids, indigenous Canarians, Malagasies and Khoisans/Pygmies: "Are we a joke to you?"
Malagasies came across the Indian Ocean. It's impressive, and a testament to the genius of the Austronesian peoples, but it's not Atlantic exploration.
Northern Nigeria was under the hegemony of the bornu empire who had no interest to sail hundreds of miles from the border down the niger river w/ foreign kingdoms tribes and kings along the niger who may see the expedition as a group of spies or a prize for plunder
The ife empire’s idjo subjects say “the Yorubans in days of old went on sea voyages which lasted a ear before they came home again” (Leo Frobenius) but they had NO SAILS and they probably went to the north (Awlil island) and/or south coast of Atlantic Africa
Almoravids power was centered in North Africa, abysinians were in the indian ocean trade, Guinean kingdoms were not advanced enough according to Malian historical records. The Almoravids attemept to go into the Atlantic but was stopped at the sargossa sea in the Atlantic & turned back and were marooned on the canary islands were they were confronted by canary islanders who did the same thing and also failed
“"It was from the city of Lisbon that the Adventurers (mugharrarun) embarked on the Sea of Darkness to see what was in it and where it ended, as has been previously mentioned. In the city of Lisbon, in a place near to the baths, there is a street (darb) named after them Darb al-Mugharrarin permanently. This is how it was. Eight men, all cousins, participated in equipping a cargo ship into which they put water and supplies to suffice them for months, then they put to sea at the first blowing of the east wind and sailed before it for about eleven days, till they reached a sea with rough waves, a bad smell, many reefs and little light. They thought that they would certainly perish, so they turned their sails on to the other tack and continued voyaging towards the south for twelve days, till they came upon the Isle of Sheep. There are sheep there of which the number cannot be known whether by count or estimation (tahsil). They pasture freely without shepherd or overseer. They made for this island and disembarked there. They found a spring of running water, over which was a wild fig tree. They took some of those sheep and slaughtered them but found their flesh to be bitter and no one could eat it. So they took some of their skins and travelled on towards the south for twelve days until they sighted an island, where they perceived building and cultivation, so they made for it to see what was there. They were not far away when they were surrounded by boats there and taken and carried in their ship to a city on the sea coast, where they were lodged in a house. In this place they saw reddish-brown men with thin lank locks and of tall stature. Their women were amazingly beautiful. They were imprisoned in a house for three days and then, on the fourth day, a man came in to them who could speak the Arabic language and asked them about themselves, why they had come, and where their country was. They told him all about themselves and he promised them that all would be well, and informed them that he was the king's interpreter. On the day following that day they were brought before the king, who asked them what the interpreter had asked them and they told him what they had told the interpreter on the previous day, namely that they had ventured on to the sea to see what they could find out about the marvels in it and discover where it ended. When the king learned this he laughed and said to the interpreter: "Tell these people that my father ordered some of his slaves to embark on this sea, and that they cruised upon it for a month until light was cut off from them and they turned back without anything or any profit worth having." Then the king ordered the interpreter to promise them good and that they should think well of the king. He did so, then they were taken away to their place of imprisonment until the west wind began to blow. They were embarked on a boat and their eyes were bandaged and they were carried over the sea for a certain time. The people said: "We estimated that we were carried for three days and nights until we were brought to the mainland. We were taken out and handcuffed from behind and left on the shore until the next day dawned and the sun rose. We were in an unfortunate predicament through the tightness of the handcuffs until we heard a tumult and men's voices so we all cried out together and the people came towards us and found us in that bad situation. They released us from our bonds and questioned us and we told them who we were. They were Berbers. One of them said to us: 'Do you know how far it is between you and your country?' We said: 'No.' He said: 'Between you and your country there is a distance of two months.' The leader of the group said: 'Wa asafi!'(44) so the place has been called Asafi to this day." It is the port in the Farthest West which we have mentioned above."
44: Lit. "O my grief!" i.e. "Alas!".
In another note to the text, the editors suggest that the Berbers that took them out of the handcuffs and told them how far they were from their home country were "probably Berbers of the Western Sahara."”
Pygmies and khoisan were hunter gatherers
Malagasy did not possess oceanbgoing vessels as they relied on the Swahili to do that for him
Yes they are a joke .
Its because we found mande artifacts all over central and south America. But you right, the phoenician/Carthaginians probably did it too.
@@croixfadas no we haven’t
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I believe there are many truths to African pre Colombo exploration of the Americas. Exploring the canary current populated the Caribbean, and the Americas with west Africans who integrated with the few indigenous people and exchanged cultures through trade and relationships. Unfortunately Colonial powers “ Manifest Destiny” dictates “HIStory” regardless of the truth. My question is, when hasn’t a coastal people not become seafaring, exploring for food and resources?
Yeah, I think it was the canary current but that it drowned in the end.
This is completely distorted content. Maybe they discovered it by being pushed out by winds and waves. If this was true why did they not make it up the easiest route of finding the European countries. Africans did not have naval prowess and only hugged their coast line. Why is the word "king" being used as the leaders of any African leaderships. This is a colonial term. The invention of the sexton which helped with star navigation was important to sail at night.
Was it just me, or you didn't mention Abu Bakr II name and the the fact that the Spanish took golden tipped spears from central America when tested the gold was from. West Africa aka mali
The ships that probably touched land were manned by the least knowledgeable crew. Could explain why there isn’t any concrete evidence of their landing. Or, any clear evidence was destroyed upon discovery: codex, steles and stories. There is a well documented history of such things being destroyed
Kind of difficult to destroy those Olmec heads at the time they were discovered, all they could do was rebury them in the overgrowth. The literature of the first Spanish and Portuguese explorers also indicate there was an African presence there before they arrived.
@@samcox443 yeah but, if Olmecs who had an understanding of the universe and their place in it, they could easily point to and display where they came from; unless the evidence was destroyed. And wouldn’t they return with evidence on the other end (Africa) displaying the journey
@@samcox443 😆 that's 🧢 but cope harder
@@samcox443 Man i'm Portuguese! No it didn't we brought them! Stop spreading lies! You know nothing about Portuguese/Spanish History!
Touch what land!? Didn't you watch the Video!? Those Canoes were all gone in the Canary Islands 'cause of the Canary currents. That's in the Coast of Morocco right next to Mali. You thinking Mali had boats capable of crossing the Atlantic in 1300 (14th Century) is just delusional! There's a thing called Navy History. Caravels were invented by the Portuguese Navy in the 15th Century and Portuguese Navy goes back to 12th Century. Go search how those boats were game changing in crossing Oceans and in battles all over the World. Till that time only Vikings got to the American Continent and it was in the North, sailing always near the coast from Greenland to Alaska 'cause not only they didn't had the proper boats as they didn't knew how to sail without land sight. Search "Portuguese nautical science" and "Portuguese Navy" if you wanna learn anything about it.
An u can read in history who the king was before him abkar said he read in college there was land pass Africa that’s a big part
Casamansah , mean house of king .. question, is this his house ?..
He never said they made it thats crazy.
Is he basically redoing his old videos now? I don't have a problem with it, sometimes youtubers update old material when they think their they can make better videos. I'm just asking because I could've sworn he's done this and a couple other subjects before.
I could also be confusing it with his patreon material, though.
Yeah, i remember a video related to this topic as well. My guess is that he decided to make another video that focuses more on the controversy surrounding it.
@@thevisitor1012 Makes sense.
Well black people are more pseudo than ever so it makes sense. Strike while the iron is hot .
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Keep in mind that the only history that is taught our schools is European history. You have to have the enough knowledge to know that the world did not begin in Europe. That's why our first teachers should be our parents
Didn't the Swahili colonize Madagascar?
They colonized many places
@Sarat Modugu I don't mean on some "We were the first people in the Americas, we're the Olmecs, we're the Greeks" type shit
Wasn’t it his brother who did that manda abubakar ?
I remember messaging the late Runoko Rashidi about this because I was fascinated by the probability, specifically referring to whether or not there were ancient wrecks or certain tribes that were proficient in boat building, anything. He was , to my surprise and disappointment, rather rude to me in his response. In hindsight, it was probably because messaging was still kinda new and he may have read it thinking I was being dismissive in my question.