@@KeithBrighouse-r3k I wish I was that lucky I do the lottery....!fair if it makes you feel better just you keep believing that,meanwhile in the real world,how many seats did they win by?
@@KeithBrighouse-r3k Starmer's strategy was to target swing voters the ones who decide elections and who would never ever vote for Corbyn. It's not luck it's planning.
I'm always amazed by the degree to the which the left expects the right leaning press not to criticise Labour at all. Would the left leaning press stop criticising the Conservatives just cos they won an election? This is how our system is meant to work. The other side of the aisle holds those in power to account.
@@ThomasBusby And I am amazed by how quickly some people rush to the assumption that anyone who objects to crude bias in the press is being politically partisan. I do not consider myself to be part of the left. I am a Times subscriber who objects to the newspaper's increasing lack of integrity in its political reporting. I think its readers deserve better. An equally crude leftist bias would irritate me every bit as much.
Tbh, this reminds me of John Prescott. A person with a working class and union background, put in a seemingly prestigious position that doesn't have as much power as its title would indicate, if not frozen out at least sidelined while more middle/upper class cabinet members run the show.
Very weird why this has appeared. No the roles what they had was shadow. In govt it's different. Angela won't be able to do so much and the fear is she is overworked..Prescott didn't do enough and was a clown. Rayner no she's different to prezza
I remember A Rayner being criticised for attending a £15 opera performance forgetting John Major introduced lottery in 1994 because Spanish were to do it under EU law. Further it was for elite funding programmes like opera and years later introduced sports.
This analysis of Labour's internal politics is not entirely correct. *So in order to see things from different perspective, let's look at the FUNDING MODEL:* During the reign of Tony Blair, Labour accepted donations from large corporations and from some super-wealthy backers. HOWEVER, prior to Blair and before Starmer, most donations were from the membership (only small amounts) but mainly from affiliated Trades Unions. Now under Starmer, donations from the Trades Unions only makes up a small percentage of the total donated, almost all of which come from wealthy backers and from large and multinational corporations. This means that Labour is now beholden to these donors - like the previous (Tory) government, in fact. The saying *'He who pays the piper calls the tune'* has never been more apt. The problem Starmer has with Rayner is that she would prefer that funding were not coming from the super-wealthy and corporate interests, because she is well aware that this will inevitably compromise Labour policies, possibly in terms of aims and objectives, but certainly in terms of pratical outcomes. It is a similar picture with NHS funding, which Rayner would prefer to come from public finance alone, but where Starmer, Reeves and Streeting want to see further private investment (ie even more covert privatization of the NHS). The reason why Dr Rosena Allyn-Khan was demoted from her previous position in the Shadow Cabinet is because like Rayner, she strongly objected to further covert and creeping privatisation of the NHS 'through the back door.' But whereas Allyn-Khan was unsupported by Trades Unions, Rayner has strong backing, making it harder for Starmer to demote her as he did Dr Rosena. It is my opinion that Starmer, who is a highly dictatorial leader, will seek an opportunity to rid himself of Rayner, who is - from his perspective - a somewhat troublesome thorn in his side. Starmer will be aided and abetted by Peter Mandelson, along with his fellow cenre-right cabal including David Evans, Luke Akehurst, Wes Streeting, Morgan McSweeney, and various other aperatchiks. For now, Rayner is protected because she is connected. For now...
This has been mentioned before with how Angela Rayner presents well at PMQs and Kid Starver is pretty twitchy when others are found to be more popular or viewed as more capable with the public than he is. Similar rumours around the Labour Candidate in Clacton, I don't trust Kid Starver, I don't think he has an original idea in his head, and will change direction at the beck and call of his money backers and lobbyists not us the electorate, and he has backtracked and lied on promises/pledges/policies repeatedly. Even in his talent gutted Labour there are better options, we need to get rid of him before we end up with a labour party talentless hacks and the torys get back in as a result.
I don’t think she is being frozen out at all. It’s just that the limelight has been on Starmer, especially as the timing has been such that he has had significant international meetings to attend. We will hear more about her work later on.
Trying to 'badge' this as a confected 'freezing out' of Rayner is pretty weak. Grown up government is not going to deliver daily 'soap opera' drama and you our going to have to do some proper jounalism.
@@veggie42 I just see a woman doing her job. This gob jockey was talking about how Keir can't sack Angela so they're going to squeeze her out. This was a couple of weeks before the election. I've only heard that she's on her way out from this show. As someone else said this isn't journalism it's tittle tattle click bait and puts me off the program. Really poor effort and I expect more from a supposedly high brow outlet. Worthy of the sun or GB news. Rant over 🤣🤣🤣
Could I make the point that Angela's department is not restricted to Housing either in substance or name? It includes local government which is where 'levelling-up' should be delivered - the term was very much Johnson (IE meaningless fliff) and Labour's commitment is substantive. As to Angela, my sense is that it is sensitive. Many of her skills are outward facing and like many people who have such skills, she is an 'emotional' politician. I do not think that she would describe herself as an 'intellectual' - indeed, if someone did, I suspect that she would give them a friendly wallop! However, people like Keir Starmer, Rachel Reeves and Pat Mafadden bring a rather intellectual analysis to things including tI suspect heir role in this new 'quad' - probably they are better doing things within it and she isn better doing things outside - including challenging them Cabinet as I have no doubt she will! It strikes me as another way of getting the best results by applying decision-making in the right place and with maximum effect rather than playing to a fractious relationship if, indeed, it is any. more than people who have different but complementary skills and approach. As Gabriel and John says - this is in the context of a return to Cabinet government.
Where's Oliver Dowden, what's he up to, has he been frozen out, oh no, it's just Times Radio talking hateful pro Tory lies and propaganda YET AGAIN zzzzz
I was kind of expecting more analysis of the situation, but I will give credit the channel for at least trying to cover the topic. However it has become abundantly clear that Angela Rayner is on her way out. The direct contradiction between Starmer and Angela on key issues is publicly clear. The only question is will she go down fighting or bow out knowing the situation is already lost. Clare Short when she was minister for international development made the mistake of trying to stay the distance when Blair was directly contradicting her policy direction to the point she became totally irrelevant and by staying in post she lost all credibility making her totally ineffectual. I fear Angela is already starting to lose credibility as, like Claire Short, she is championing policy initiatives that Starmer/Reeves/Kendall have already announced (albeit indirectly) will not be happening. Angela needs to act fast if she does not want to lose credibility. She has either got to start making noises so that Starmer is forced to push her out or resign and try a put together an AOC type internal opposition - there are already seven suspend centre-left MP's to start with.
Weird this has come out. The indy today has an article "the odd couple" they are apart.. no he's busy doing work and these advisers are not liking. The people domt dare say the truth. Very strange ti's is out today. This smacks of Mandelsons doing. Tories also wanted to cause trouble.
His wife is trouble. Very weird she came out of hiding all showy off all fake. Very posy. Not real. Very false. Rayner is being cricised for her same brand outfit. She was clearly given it to wear. Didn't get much sleep or time to prepare. Was out of character. Angela does know how to dress. The suits she's wearing don't suit her. I wish hey wouldn't compare her to Prezza
Notice there are loads or articles which contradict the other. This is right. The housing issue Pennycook was hidden. He's the actual minister not mentioned. Construction especially thr tools used she has connections in her ancestry I was amazed to find out with starmers family. The clash is "you're educated smart married and sensible why is this lack of educated not sensible too fiesty loudmouth hanging around you for?" That's what they secretly think. There are suits around Starmer dark arts who want to cause trouble.
Rayner is hard left. If the party was true to its roots and was hard left it would not have won the election or at least would had had a much smaller if any majority. Remember the rules are that if no party wins an outright majority the sitting government gets the right to form a government identity if they got less votes than the other party. Gordon Brown tried to do that when they lost.
Shows how right wing this government is that Rayner is too left wing for them. God help us if the far-right can get their act together to capitalise on the anger of Labour doing nothing 😢
She has worked her way up and knows about caring for a person with Mental Illness. She is down to earth, but they don't want to know and are not intouch with the people. They never once lived in a Council House like Rayner.
I don’t get the impression Angela Rayner is being frozen out, she is often seen with Keir Starmer and she is often out talking to the media. Angela is not a sophisticated politician, but she has a great deal of public support and she will be great for Labour.
I'm a Labour supporter, but I'm no fan of Angela Rayner. I don't think she has been adept at all with regard to public relations. I find her too crass and unsophisticated. That is, I think she puts Labour in rather a poor light. I've been consistently embarrassed whenever I've seen her speaking in the Commons.
@@RealDareel Actually, I'm not, since I'm not a British citizen and live overseas. I just think Rayner comes across terribly during PMQs. If she does speak during PMQs, I predict that the Tories will make hay out of her - - and I'm a fan of the Labour Party.
What rumours? Typical Times Radio. Terrible guetss...JONATHAN GULLIS; MELANIE PHILLIPS; commentators like GILES CORAN ,ANDREW NEIL,who takes this channel seriously?
it really gets to the tory would be elite that someone with the background of angela rayner has achieved her position and shown the country that she is capable of holding her own against her detractors
This is the two halves of Labour. Raynor represents the working class of the North. Starmer runs the metropolitan, uni-educated London luvvie half. Right now the luvvies are dominant.
Correct. You could also say Rayner represents the loony left, unelectable side of the party; while Starmer the slightly more palatable centrist/leftist business-friendly (yeah right) side that might mean they get a second term?
@@jimthompson9370 lol I love how anyone that retains any traditional labour values is considered 'loony' by the little englander land rover driving horsey set.
@@jimthompson9370 I doubt anyone here cares what you think tbh. Start out by calling people loonies and then complain about others hurting thie feelings, smh..
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This is not really journalism at its best, is it? It's not even journalism at its most average.
It only took 2 weeks for TR to start the rumours.
s...stirring ?
Still drive to spread division.
@@KeithBrighouse-r3k I wish I was that lucky I do the lottery....!fair if it makes you feel better just you keep believing that,meanwhile in the real world,how many seats did they win by?
@@KeithBrighouse-r3k Tory tears. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
@@KeithBrighouse-r3k Oh dear, you are so wrong. Its
@@KeithBrighouse-r3k Starmer's strategy was to target swing voters the ones who decide elections and who would never ever vote for Corbyn. It's not luck it's planning.
@@KeithBrighouse-r3k Another Leftie who can't recognise success. A permenant malcontent, someone who only knows how to protest. All a bit sad really.
Without Angela, as good as I think Starmer is, they'd never have won the election.
Anyone who thought The Times would ease up on the Labour bashing for a while after the election knows better now.
I'm always amazed by the degree to the which the left expects the right leaning press not to criticise Labour at all.
Would the left leaning press stop criticising the Conservatives just cos they won an election?
This is how our system is meant to work. The other side of the aisle holds those in power to account.
@@ThomasBusby And I am amazed by how quickly some people rush to the assumption that anyone who objects to crude bias in the press is being politically partisan. I do not consider myself to be part of the left. I am a Times subscriber who objects to the newspaper's increasing lack of integrity in its political reporting. I think its readers deserve better. An equally crude leftist bias would irritate me every bit as much.
They haven't started yet.Is nobody allowed to hold them to account.?
Keir Starmer has a 'notion! No, he has a government and a manifesto.
He doesn’t have a clue.
@@dcoughla681 no he does you just hate the fact he does 😂
Yeah a notion
@capri2673 Awww, you struggling to make a point?
...a government and a manifesto, but not a mandate.
Tbh, this reminds me of John Prescott. A person with a working class and union background, put in a seemingly prestigious position that doesn't have as much power as its title would indicate, if not frozen out at least sidelined while more middle/upper class cabinet members run the show.
This nation is doomed with that lot in charge and Starmer at the wheel
because the tories were such a success.......have a day off
And it was doing so well with the Tories! Ha ha!
Let's face it, Angela Raynor should never be allowed beyond elocution classes
Oh, that's nice, isn't it, Peter Vermin?
Two likes. One from Finkelstein and one from Mandelson.
I really like Honorable raynor .....stop being jealous ...❤
Labour party "You can lead a horse to water, but you can make it drink a mirage"
Only problem with the vaccine task force was, of course, the "safe" and "effective" vaccine.
If Starmer has any brains at all he'll keep her front and center.
Your Tory bias is showing….
Very weird why this has appeared. No the roles what they had was shadow. In govt it's different. Angela won't be able to do so much and the fear is she is overworked..Prescott didn't do enough and was a clown. Rayner no she's different to prezza
It's the times... A known Tory leaning paper.
Would you be surprised (or upset) about labour bias from the guardian?
she is Deputy PM. It;s a non job these journalists know this. This is not news
Oh yeah....rumours.... gossip....the things podcasts need to attract audiences...and hosts need to keep their jobs....
Are we supposed to be caring about her?
I'll but this on the same level as the rumour about her council house.
Starmer is ashamed bcause he knows Rayner is so much better than he is...
I remember A Rayner being criticised for attending a £15 opera performance forgetting John Major introduced lottery in 1994 because Spanish were to do it under EU law. Further it was for elite funding programmes like opera and years later introduced sports.
Ah, so TR wants to spread rumours about Labour. Tell you what TR, why don't you concentrate on the facts. This is just lazy journalism.
she's in charge of housing and 11,000 behind already in week 2 ffs
Housing for illegals don't forget and rebuilding Palestine
This analysis of Labour's internal politics is not entirely correct. *So in order to see things from different perspective, let's look at the FUNDING MODEL:*
During the reign of Tony Blair, Labour accepted donations from large corporations and from some super-wealthy backers. HOWEVER, prior to Blair and before Starmer, most donations were from the membership (only small amounts) but mainly from affiliated Trades Unions.
Now under Starmer, donations from the Trades Unions only makes up a small percentage of the total donated, almost all of which come from wealthy backers and from large and multinational corporations.
This means that Labour is now beholden to these donors - like the previous (Tory) government, in fact. The saying *'He who pays the piper calls the tune'* has never been more apt.
The problem Starmer has with Rayner is that she would prefer that funding were not coming from the super-wealthy and corporate interests, because she is well aware that this will inevitably compromise Labour policies, possibly in terms of aims and objectives, but certainly in terms of pratical outcomes.
It is a similar picture with NHS funding, which Rayner would prefer to come from public finance alone, but where Starmer, Reeves and Streeting want to see further private investment (ie even more covert privatization of the NHS).
The reason why Dr Rosena Allyn-Khan was demoted from her previous position in the Shadow Cabinet is because like Rayner, she strongly objected to further covert and creeping privatisation of the NHS 'through the back door.'
But whereas Allyn-Khan was unsupported by Trades Unions, Rayner has strong backing, making it harder for Starmer to demote her as he did Dr Rosena.
It is my opinion that Starmer, who is a highly dictatorial leader, will seek an opportunity to rid himself of Rayner, who is - from his perspective - a somewhat troublesome thorn in his side.
Starmer will be aided and abetted by Peter Mandelson, along with his fellow cenre-right cabal including David Evans, Luke Akehurst, Wes Streeting, Morgan McSweeney, and various other aperatchiks.
For now, Rayner is protected because she is connected. For now...
This has been mentioned before with how Angela Rayner presents well at PMQs and Kid Starver is pretty twitchy when others are found to be more popular or viewed as more capable with the public than he is. Similar rumours around the Labour Candidate in Clacton, I don't trust Kid Starver, I don't think he has an original idea in his head, and will change direction at the beck and call of his money backers and lobbyists not us the electorate, and he has backtracked and lied on promises/pledges/policies repeatedly. Even in his talent gutted Labour there are better options, we need to get rid of him before we end up with a labour party talentless hacks and the torys get back in as a result.
Remember press digging 2 jags Prescott playing crotchet at govt appointed official residence Chequers also.
Yet Rayner isn't him f all like him
16 minutes and 45 seconds that I will never get back! Times Radio is using clickbait now. Three windbags waffling over another non-story about Rayner.
Rayner is a liar
The liebour party should be sidelined .
A lot of I think instead of I know.
I don’t think she is being frozen out at all. It’s just that the limelight has been on Starmer, especially as the timing has been such that he has had significant international meetings to attend.
We will hear more about her work later on.
Rayner deputy PM. A joke.
In a political system and in a government some people may have a different mindset on policies among different government policies, for the country.
Sideline ED Milliband.
He's another scapegoat
Trying to 'badge' this as a confected 'freezing out' of Rayner is pretty weak. Grown up government is not going to deliver daily 'soap opera' drama and you our going to have to do some proper jounalism.
Dont trust them
Just a cheap repeat of a Daily Mail article
You really don't like Rayner do you
I hate how she's being treated. I also don't trust why Lisa Nandy suddenly appearing
@@veggie42 I just see a woman doing her job. This gob jockey was talking about how Keir can't sack Angela so they're going to squeeze her out. This was a couple of weeks before the election. I've only heard that she's on her way out from this show. As someone else said this isn't journalism it's tittle tattle click bait and puts me off the program. Really poor effort and I expect more from a supposedly high brow outlet. Worthy of the sun or GB news. Rant over 🤣🤣🤣
@@veggie42 awww poor thing. This is the easy bit, wait until we REALLY get started.
Muckraking! Well I guess theses "journalists", I use that term loosely, have to find something to do with their free time.
Starners awful comms
To be honest, she is merely the modern version of John Prescott.
What’s the current market price for Copium, anyone?🤔🤣🤣
Could I make the point that Angela's department is not restricted to Housing either in substance or name? It includes local government which is where 'levelling-up' should be delivered - the term was very much Johnson (IE meaningless fliff) and Labour's commitment is substantive. As to Angela, my sense is that it is sensitive. Many of her skills are outward facing and like many people who have such skills, she is an 'emotional' politician. I do not think that she would describe herself as an 'intellectual' - indeed, if someone did, I suspect that she would give them a friendly wallop! However, people like Keir Starmer, Rachel Reeves and Pat Mafadden bring a rather intellectual analysis to things including tI suspect heir role in this new 'quad' - probably they are better doing things within it and she isn better doing things outside - including challenging them Cabinet as I have no doubt she will! It strikes me as another way of getting the best results by applying decision-making in the right place and with maximum effect rather than playing to a fractious relationship if, indeed, it is any. more than people who have different but complementary skills and approach. As Gabriel and John says - this is in the context of a return to Cabinet government.
Where's Oliver Dowden, what's he up to, has he been frozen out, oh no, it's just Times Radio talking hateful pro Tory lies and propaganda YET AGAIN zzzzz
A bit clickbaity. 'Rumours' is that the best we're doing?
just like their coverage of the proxy war. what did you expect ?
I was kind of expecting more analysis of the situation, but I will give credit the channel for at least trying to cover the topic. However it has become abundantly clear that Angela Rayner is on her way out. The direct contradiction between Starmer and Angela on key issues is publicly clear. The only question is will she go down fighting or bow out knowing the situation is already lost. Clare Short when she was minister for international development made the mistake of trying to stay the distance when Blair was directly contradicting her policy direction to the point she became totally irrelevant and by staying in post she lost all credibility making her totally ineffectual. I fear Angela is already starting to lose credibility as, like Claire Short, she is championing policy initiatives that Starmer/Reeves/Kendall have already announced (albeit indirectly) will not be happening. Angela needs to act fast if she does not want to lose credibility. She has either got to start making noises so that Starmer is forced to push her out or resign and try a put together an AOC type internal opposition - there are already seven suspend centre-left MP's to start with.
Weird this has come out. The indy today has an article "the odd couple" they are apart.. no he's busy doing work and these advisers are not liking. The people domt dare say the truth. Very strange ti's is out today. This smacks of Mandelsons doing. Tories also wanted to cause trouble.
His wife is trouble. Very weird she came out of hiding all showy off all fake. Very posy. Not real. Very false. Rayner is being cricised for her same brand outfit. She was clearly given it to wear. Didn't get much sleep or time to prepare. Was out of character. Angela does know how to dress. The suits she's wearing don't suit her. I wish hey wouldn't compare her to Prezza
Notice there are loads or articles which contradict the other. This is right. The housing issue Pennycook was hidden. He's the actual minister not mentioned. Construction especially thr tools used she has connections in her ancestry I was amazed to find out with starmers family. The clash is "you're educated smart married and sensible why is this lack of educated not sensible too fiesty loudmouth hanging around you for?" That's what they secretly think. There are suits around Starmer dark arts who want to cause trouble.
This is lacking in substance. Is this all you have TR? As already commented, this is not decent journalism. You’re scraping the barrel.
Dear God! Why is the volume so LOW?
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Rayner is hard left. If the party was true to its roots and was hard left it would not have won the election or at least would had had a much smaller if any majority.
Remember the rules are that if no party wins an outright majority the sitting government gets the right to form a government identity if they got less votes than the other party. Gordon Brown tried to do that when they lost.
Star er 5 missions should be carved into an EDD STONE
John McTernan has all the credibility of a Scottish summer-an absolute windbag full of nothing but self importance.
Evidence please, not speculation, it serves no purpose other than to make your show and its presenter look small, uninformed and biased.
Not likely Angela as Deouty a finger in every branch of Govt and not limited to just one area..
sue gray ,disgusting woman 300 million on football
Shows how right wing this government is that Rayner is too left wing for them. God help us if the far-right can get their act together to capitalise on the anger of Labour doing nothing 😢
You are clueless
Go back to the safety of Owen Jones and his echo chamber of cultists
I would not trust shifty starmer with anything he is a undemocratic hypocrite.
The sooner he's ousted the better.
Me neither. Rayners appearing away from him and I'm sick of Rayner compares to MEN..Reeves isn't like Gordon. She's mrs Osborne!
BYE.!!! REYNER. JOBCENTRE.!!!😀😃😄😁😆😅🤣😂
Trying to stir things up again. Can't you accept that the Tories were really bad and stop supporting them.
She has worked her way up and knows about caring for a person with Mental Illness. She is down to earth, but they don't want to know and are not intouch with the people. They never once lived in a Council House like Rayner.
Are you off your meds? "down to earth" LOL.
@rafezetter8003 Have you bothered to look up her history. She worked herself up and I admire that. Her Mother had Bipolar
Well at least she isnt a wealthy snob who lives in a castle and own 2500 acres of land somewhere in Africa.....with 50 black servants ...😂😂😂😂
I don’t get the impression Angela Rayner is being frozen out, she is often seen with Keir Starmer and she is often out talking to the media.
Angela is not a sophisticated politician, but she has a great deal of public support and she will be great for Labour.
I'm a Labour supporter, but I'm no fan of Angela Rayner. I don't think she has been adept at all with regard to public relations. I find her too crass and unsophisticated.
That is, I think she puts Labour in rather a poor light. I've been consistently embarrassed whenever I've seen her speaking in the Commons.
You are a perfect example of the new misnamed Labour Party
@@RealDareel oh look a clueless Corbyn cultist spreading hate
@@RealDareel Actually, I'm not, since I'm not a British citizen and live overseas. I just think Rayner comes across terribly during PMQs.
If she does speak during PMQs, I predict that the Tories will make hay out of her - - and I'm a fan of the Labour Party.
What rumours? Typical Times Radio. Terrible guetss...JONATHAN GULLIS; MELANIE PHILLIPS; commentators like GILES CORAN ,ANDREW NEIL,who takes this channel seriously?
No one should but these are all people who would be welcomed into the Labour Party
Don't take this comment seriously either.
Usual garbage from Times Radio.
it really gets to the tory would be elite that someone with the background of angela rayner has achieved her position and shown the country that she is capable of holding her own against her detractors
This is the two halves of Labour. Raynor represents the working class of the North. Starmer runs the metropolitan, uni-educated London luvvie half. Right now the luvvies are dominant.
Correct. You could also say Rayner represents the loony left, unelectable side of the party; while Starmer the slightly more palatable centrist/leftist business-friendly (yeah right) side that might mean they get a second term?
@@jimthompson9370 lol I love how anyone that retains any traditional labour values is considered 'loony' by the little englander land rover driving horsey set.
@@willc1294 - and I love it when
people use insults as a substitute for an argument. Rather cringe, don’t you think?
@@jimthompson9370 I doubt anyone here cares what you think tbh.
Start out by calling people loonies and then complain about others hurting thie feelings, smh..
@@willc1294 - you cared enough to reply. Using a pejorative is different to a personal insult, that’s only for the desperate or intellectually slow.
Almost inaudible. This is such a low quality production, I am going to sub just so I can Unsub and then I'll block all notifications from you.
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Ive voted labour since i could vote i did not vote for keir and will not vote labour until it is left wing again