NEW Canyon Grizl CF SL 8 review: As good as gravel bikes get?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- I put the latest Canyon Grizl CF SL 8 through its paces as the tough and demanding Grinduro gravel bike race in Wales to see if it can handle the terrain with the addition of the optional RockShox suspension fork
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Canyon should call the UK version; Drizle, ‘cause of the weather, haha
Loved the review as always consistently good you always leave us wishing the video was longer , a sign of quality I’m thinking
Thanks Alan! Still experimenting all the time, could try longer in future maybe ?
Fantastic bike which never lost in rough terrain, also great on road. I ordered one with suspension.
I love the Grinduro format. It just seems the best of everything - test yourself on the timed segments or not, but definitely serious fun factor. Gotta get me to one.
I have a redshift stem on my Topstone Carbon 6. Live it.
I love my Grizl. I have the 2x with the rigid fork.
Great video. Thanks. Have been riding the Grail for some years now, and is considering the Grizzle, so thanks for the inspiration. One little thing…..you say, that you will not change anything on the bike. Great, but consider changing the front tyre to the One Ulbratbite model. This combination (OneBite in the back and Ultrabite in the front) is actually the recommendation on Schwalbes homepage. I did it, at got 10-15% better grip on loose trail without loosing speed ✅…..just a tip
I'm sure your competitors were thinking, "Whoa, and here I thought that dude was just a roadie." And I grin but c'mon, David, you were rockin' that dirt and roostin' everyone in sight, if only in the untimed sections but still. And cool that Grinduro is held in your neck of the woods, looks like great fun and food and festivities. And that bike does look like a blast to ride, tho' just a little front suspension is probably enough. If we're not careful, we'll have eight-inch gravel travel on supercross gravel bikes for that true stadium ride. 😀
Thanks Robb! Can’t lie I was loving the technical trails so much even if the bike maybe wasn’t the perfect tool 😎
Going to canyon facility soon. I can’t purchase a bike without riding it first. Checking out the endurance bike. I have two mountain bike for off-roading. Lol
I have to remember to bring my 🪖.
I continue to enjoy all of the content you upload to the channel, keep up the good work! I’m still waiting for the review and unboxing of all the new fizik gear. Keep the excellent videos coming.
Thanks Quentin - Fizik reviews coming soon
Great video!! You definitely need to wear gloves, mate! 😃. BTW, one question. What maintenance is needed to this kind of suspension fork? Thanks!!
Hey David, just wanted to say: keep up your great work. Been somehow watching from the start of your channel thanks to the yt algorithm. And since then it grew to one of my favorite channels. Btw. I own a GRIZL SLX with GRX DI2 myself and love it. Even slapped my road tires on and it’s amazingly fast and stiff.
Thanks sir means a lot 😃👍
Great riding video & very informative on the canyon bike 🚴♂️👍
david not just talkn the talk. much respect!
I continue to not understand what makes the Grail “faster” than the Grizl. The geo is very similar and I assume the carbon layup is similar at the same price point. Is it just the spec? I also notice Canyon gravel racers use the Grizl over the Grail. I’m certain pro bike racers aren’t choosing the slower of the two bikes.
Coming from a mtb background I'm constantly confused when watching content on rigid bikes when I hear people/companies say that x rigid frame is faster than y rigid frame. I understand the effect of geometry, weight, components.. but it doesn't really outweigh the riders skills in being faster and don't know what else is being referred to. If it's just a matter of weight idk either still because I regularly hear about hard tails and xc bikes excelling in gravel races
Really need to get my arse into gear and get to Grinduro next year!
Great looking bike too!
I’ll pass on those tan side walls… but I’ll definitely take a suspension fork in the front! Great review thanks.
I write the same set up the giant revolt with a rock shock Rudy? The riding experience has been awesome. Honestly think the gravel racing is going to start to go that way getting beat up with a rigid fork is something for the young kids they can do it all day long but sooner or later they’re gonna get tired of this stuff, I honestly think it’s gonna change
Great video , could use some of that Gelato right now. So jealous of the weather you have there. Enjoy seeing the variety of bikes. Looks like Canyon is about to have a lot in common with that Cannondale $oon.
Recently picked up a Canyon from someone who didn't get to use it at Unbound Gravel. Nicest bike I've ever owned. After some new cables, will be baking freshly ,daily,on this brutal Texas summer.
That was an MTB course...great testing grounds for the Canyon !!!
It was my first Grinduro on my Rose Backroad and wow was it a good event. The rain later in the day made stage 4 interesting but it was great to see soo many different bikes. Your canyon looked great. Great video keep it up. 👍
The smallest size available is only “S”.
After I enter my measurements to determine the size, it states “We can’t ensure a good fit because we didn’t design the bike for the height and inner leg length you entered”…
If I select another Grizl model with fixed fork instead of suspension, it recommends XS size….🙁
Hey David - quick question - how does the Grizl work as a road bike? I'm trying to avoid buying two bikes - road and gravel - but want something that you could comfortably cover 60 or 70 miles (probably with a set of slick tires) Thanks
With some nice slick tyres it'll be just fine as a road bike, add some. mudguards and it'll be a great winter road bike
@@davidarthurthanks - very tempting. I’m replacing a Canyon Endurace CF SLX 8 and a Planet X Tempest ti that were nicked and thinking of trying to do it with a single bike.
Drop bar XC bike. Another do it all bike to replace my other 3 do it all bikes.
How do you think the feel of the aluminum frame with the suspension fork compares to a carbon frame? I have a carbon specialized diverge with future shock and I am considering switching
David, I am so glad to have found your reviews. Detailed analysis by a real rider and serious ride impressions. Well done. How do you compare the Grizl with the Fairlight Secan 2.5? I am torn between the two for the main reason that both offer the ability to run very wide tires. I was originally attracted by the Beau Jaxon. But the price points for the Grizl and Secan are much better. Your thoughts and real world impressions. The idea of a one size does most, even if not every one perfectly, is really intriguing. Thanks again!!
oh gosh. i am currently in the same dilemma. What bike did you go for in the end?
Love the vid! I’m standing between a giant revolt and the Canyon grail. Both with rival etap and 1x. Is there a definitive recommendation? 😂 cheers from Germany 🇩🇪
Ooh that’s really tricky as both are excellent and lots of similarities- I’d say Revolt feels a bit racier and smoother the Grizl seems more laid back and the dropper post impairs comfort compared to the VCLS post
My wife has the GRIZL and I have the revolt advanced 2. GET THE REVOLT!!!
Great video as ever but with terrain like that I cannot see why you'd just not use a hard tail cross country MTB and be done with it. Loads more confidence on the rough stuff, I'm sure that'd be faster / more fun.
Totally agree. I always prefer flatbars on anything more than light gravel and the recent gravel bike craze is overrated IMO. I much prefer an endurance bike with slightly wider tires which are equally capable on road as well as on light gravel.
That looks like an XC course really.
Nice - always good to see more Grizl videos.
Question: I've been wanting a rigid Grizl CF SL 8 2x for around a year now, but they're almost never available in the US. I've changed my focus to the Lauf Seigla now (if supposedly can ship to me within 10 days). Do you have any experience with that bike and how does it compare with the Grizl?
Anyway, nice video - I really enjoyed it.
I haven't ridden that new Lauf, I am hoping to though, so tricky to offer any comparison advice I'm afraid
I have been put off by other feedback saying the seat post bolt fails after time, meaning sending the frame back (if under warranty)...?? Any owners of this bike had this issue....??!
How heavy was it?
Interesting -- I really didn't like it. Geometry was fine for racing, doing strava laps, but if want to get out there and enjoy some gravel, no way... Reachy and short-stacked, didn't understand why they'd put you so far out over the front wheel when you're running into roots, etc. Good spec for the price, though, beside the terrible plastic saddle
I’m contemplating a canyon grizl, I have 2k budget, would you go for the CF without forks have the rock shocks and go for the AL with the suspension forks for the same money.
Suspensions fork means another part that needs maintenance.
Great video, thanks! What is the name of the color of your bike? Canyon currently offers two grey variants (as I see it): Earl Grey (which is light grey) and Smoked Oolong (which is dark grey). Thank you
Canyon has really good value for money. Same like Cube for example. Some manufacturers are so expensive in comparison. It's weird. I love the Focus Atlas 8.7 for example but it's really expensive in comparison. Thanks for the video.
Hi David. Great review thx. What frame size did you ride? Thx.
Thanks! It was a size medium for my 181cm height
That Cannondale ❤️
Gravel bikes jump the shark with the addition of suspension forks.
Evolution
Lets ride beach cruisers off road
Lets invent mountain bikes
Lets add suspension
Lets ride road bikes on dirt
Lets add wider tires
Lets ride them off-road
Lets add even wider tires
Lets make every road bike an SUV bike with 30 mm tires
Lets add suspension
Next step is narrower tires on gravel bikes.
Hi. For long rides, what bike would offer the most confy position, Endurace or Grizl? Appreciate. Thanks.
I know some folk that would choose mtb harttail with drop bars for such a course
Much faster
Own the same bike and have done everything with it...gravel, light trail and road. It's the bike I go for now when heading out the door.
How do tou find the suspension fork behavior on the road ? Do you have the 1by or 2by ?
@@RttnAm1 To be honest, a lockout would have been nice on the fork. I have the 1x setup with dropper. It’s thus quite similar to my hardtail mtb but the bigger chainring and overall comfort of the bike makes this a winner on the daily training rides.
@davidarthur for you better buy the new grail or the grizl ? thanks
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lauf vork yes
bartape nice yes
Is it me, but most exciting aspect of that bike is the tit frame?
drop post use in play.. just love these bikes.. racing gravel.. beat road racers.. bike packing
do it all 1 bike
Why is it that the Niner RLT RDO doesn't get any love? It's a fantastic piece of kit
They really look like mtb so now. The cross over is real, the. Tyres are so grippy compared to my 35c
I’d love to buy one, but there’s hardly any places to try for size. They need to open up more outlets to try bike sizes
Those were some all action camera angles David, did you have the GoPro strapped to your nuts?!
Amazing, it is definitely my new dream bike! THX for nice review!
With all these gravel bikes your riding what yould you recommend if you could only have one as a do it all bike?
This Grizl or Giant Revolt would be pretty good
@@davidarthur thought the fairlight might have been in the mix!! And if you had to buy between the revolt or the grizzle?
I keep seeing reviews for Canyon Grizzl, but have you tried the Salsa Cutthroat? I have one and it’s by far the best all around rough terrain gravel bike I’ve ridden and they are far more common on uncommon bike paths.
brother bought it for bike packing rides
back axle acted up with loading, overall stll good.
Hi David, I really like your RUclips Channel. Thank you for your fantastic reviews. About the glasses and rain.. From my experience as a former mountain biker / racer is not to use glasses on the rain. :) I used to wear glasses only on the first lap because of the mud coming from onther riders tyres. Keep up with the very pleasant work you're doing.
Thanks..you didn't miss the wider range of a 2by ? I have both , and spin out out at times , and lose climbs too . I am new and learning , the hard way of course !
Medium size model available JULY 2023 !!!!!
Hey David, thanks so much for doing this. I’m looking to get a gravel bike for bike packing - any advice on whether the grizl or revolt advanced pro is better?
Very nice review! I’m thinking of getting one with a rigid fork and thinking about using it as a road bike. A video with a tire swap to 32mm road tires to check the ability of using it as a road bike would be so great to see. Any thoughts on this? Thanks and regards Thomas
Yup cna confirm it'll be just fine as a road bike with 32mm tyres fitted :)
A great kit at great price. I'm an old racer but new to your channel. May have missed it but please size yourself and the bike for reference. Thanks D
It's a size medium and I'm 181cm :)
How do you like your Fizik Ferox shoes?
Very impressed with them - working on a review video featuring them at the moment actually
I was just looking at this bike. Such a beauty an love the idea of a little bit of suspension and a dropper
how about tow overlap on Size M ?
What glasses is that? Would like to check it out.
Wow great bike thought it was going to cost a lot more well done Canyon 🤩👍🚴
Hello David ! I’m torn between the rigid fork and suspension for my grizl.
As the fork has no lock out would you still recommend it an mainly asphalt rider that would occasionally like to push the to its limit off road ? Thank you !
You can lock it out 👍 Tough to say, depends how much you want to push it off-road, the 45mm tyres do let you get away with a lot already so might be enough
Only the high end models SLX has the lock out unfortunately hence my hesitation :)
Do you like its behaviour on the road with it open ?
Thank you very much for you quick response!
On smoother gravel, or sealed roads, how much slower is the Grizl with suspension than a traditional gravel bike - eg e Giant Revolt? Is it noticeable? Or fatiguing?
There's no reason why the suspension fork should make one bike slower than the other. The suspension fork is going to help reduce fatigue on rough roads and gravel so you're less tired at the end of a big ride. Plus you can lock it out for road riding
Thanks @@davidarthur - this new Grizl looks like a good option for myself and probably a lot of others
Wales looks beautiful. Even in the rain haha
Bargain. Aha.
Nice but David please please conclude the 2022 Giant Revolt Advanced 0 video. Waiting for the final review. Cheers mate.
Literally editing it right now :)
@@davidarthur haha amazing just got my hands on one, Rode it into work this morning to get stem cut and power meter fitted. Love It think I like it better than 2022 tcr advanced pro 0 I've had since Jan. Really interested in your take on it as you are a tcr guy. Keep up the good work 👍😎
buy a hardtail
or better a fully
Bravo, sir!
3,000 is a bargIn ?
When you look at the specification, performance and compare to other rivals then yes I think it's safe to call it a bargain. Course me saying it's a bargain doesn't mean it's cheap, the definition of bargain is "a thing bought or offered for sale much more cheaply than is usual or expected." Hope that helps :)
How does it compare to your Fairlight Secan Dave? I’m trying to choose between the two. Enjoyed the video, thank you.
Tricky decision - he’s to beat carbon for weight and performance, feels faster a lot of the time and the value is good with the canyon
Thanks Dave.
Hi David, how was the sizing? Go smaller size?
I was on a size medium and it was perfect for my 181cm height
your drive train was so clean what lube do you use...or wax?
I filmed it before it had ridden any miles hence why so clean - it wasn’t this clean afterwards!
Ganda😮
Those bikes are so beautiful
What size were you riding and how tall are you?
Size medium and I’m 181cm
Awesome Bike! Awesome Price! 💯
awesome review thanks!
Suspension fork, dropper and the largest shifters/brakes I've ever seen. Gravel bikes are reaching peak stupidity. Great looking frame though.
Thanks!
Did canyon ditch the double handlebar?
They still offer the Grail as well
Can you lock the suspension?
Yes you can
Wow that’s awesome. Makes me totally consider this.
2900£/$3500 is a jaw dropping value for that bike.
So the tyres were the limiting factor - sounds like a HT might have been even better …
They were a limiting factor but they did limit my fun and ability to get around 😃
@@davidarthur
Fair point - I’m kinda between the Grizl / Mason RAW / Fairlight Holt. I already have a CX bike (35mm - rim brakes) hence the temptation get something a bit more capable
Ok, what the heck? What size tires what was squeezed on the Cannondale Supersix Evo?
That's what I was wondering as well. When the frame was released I think some of team riders were using 700x34, but not with big knobbies. I wonder if the Supersix in this video was running 650b wheels since the tires look bigger and there is lots of clearance behind the seattube and under the fork crown.
It's a Supersix Evo SE, which is a gravel bike. It's not the normal SuperSix Evo road bike.
Such a coincidence as I’ve been looking at a Grizl for the last few weeks. The problem is, the price looks a steal on the website until you realize you have to pay for the box it arrives in, plus shipping, plus 18% import and VAT charges! Then I’m afraid the Giant Revolt looks a much better deal. Also, some combinations of the Grizl aren’t even available until next spring or summer so forget that!
The price actually includes any applicable import duties and VAT. The only additional cost is postage and packaging which comes to around £55. Most sizes of this model are available in a couple of months time. It really is a bargain!
@@theantler3625 The Giant Revolt actually comes out cheaper here in Korea and I suspect in many other places. However, I prefer the look of the Grizl. I looked at Canyon and even emailed them because the prices looked amazing and they informed me about the 18% to be paid on import. The bike I was looking at was the cf 7 with GRX 810 and cost 2,649,000 KRW here which is amazing, but you need to add 24,000 KRW just for the box, 190,000 KRW shipping and another 450,000 KRW in charges on import. Now it’s not such a great deal in my mind!
ok I'm out lol this is getting cringy - whats happening here? we just witnessing the transformation of a Cyclocross Bike into a Mountainbike lol and people are celebrating it like its the most genius and innovative idea ever to also put a suspension fork and a dropper on it... like are you even serious? did you ever hear of a cross country mountainbike? these bikes exist for decades! the gap between the roadbike and the MTB has been closed with the cyclocross, whats the deal with this gravel bike hype? its just a bad mountainbike with a roadbike handlebar thats slow on smooth tarmac, why do we need this?! it feels like road bike fans are just discovering the happiness of riding offroad and are like "omg that is so cool" as if it hasnt been done before.
womp womp
suspentions fork.. cringe
legs are gear, arms are suspension
As a mechanic with decades of experience, I can not stress enough as to how much Canyons are a waste of money.
Care to elaborate ?
I wonder if they will make a 2x with a suspension fork.
how durable would this bike be compared to a steel frame, say a high spec surly crosscheck?
David - here’s an (impossible?) choice. Specialised Diverge Sport (with futureshock) at 3k or the Grizzle with fork for the same. Which one!!?
I personally would probably go the suspension fork option
@@davidarthur The only other left field option is the Vitus Substance CRX that can also come with the exact same Rudy suspension fork, and dropper and SRAM 1x with benefit of a 10t small cog! These in house brands get very little attention against the spesh, Giant, Canyons… hint hint 😉 It looks *even* better value at 2.4k than the Grzl