Thanks for another interesting video. As regards the changing of procedure in 1823 that meant that suicide victims were no longer buried at crossroads, I've tried to find out what occurred around that time that led to a difference to the mindset of the time. All I could find was a mention that King George IV's carriage was caught up in the throng of people who were watching the last known crossroads burial, that of 22-year-old Abel Griffiths in London. This encouraged the opposition of the practice as no doubt the king had inadvertently witnessed the sad event himself, but it seems that there was a growing sympathy to suicide victims anyway around that time so there's a possibility that the law would have been changed in any case.
Thanks for sharing that, as I say in the video, any help and any suggestions people can share with us is greatly appreciated. It kind of gives us some answers too when doing future videos 👍 It was a strange time back in the 1800s, as I think it was yourself that mentioned it was illegal to commit suicide! We've found dozens and dozens of short newspaper articles with people being charged over this 'crime'.
@@DaysofHorror It's amazing how many times I look into these kind of stories and find fascinating facts. I've read the newspaper reports of the time and it seems that some of Abel Griffiths' friends had waited for the constable to leave the crossroad burial site, dug him up, placed him in a coach, then they scarpered, so the coachman ended up going to the police station, whereupon he asked the policeman on duty what he should do with the body in the back seat of his coach!! Sounds like something out of a comedy sketch! He was eventually buried in a local churchyard, so it has a happy ending. Maybe it's a story with enough interest to do a video on, although I suppose I've already revealed the plot 😂
Another great story/video. What a sad person Charles was !! my heart really goes out to him if only he would have shared his feelings with someone xx thanks again Paula from Oxfordshire
Good video as always. Love the quarry 😉. I've heard about the story of suicide burials at crossroads. I've covered one like that on Midgley Moor some time ago....his body being at the crossroads in the village gave great fear to the god-fearing locals. Looking forward to Townley Hall video ...😊
Cheers pal. I hadnt heard the crossroad's burials before, only when it comes to tales of the Devil ;-) and people being possessed. The Townley Hall one is going to test the water as I feel I may get some strongly worded comments from certain individuals but at the end of the day, its a story and a crime that happened and just like people from our long forgotten past, they should all be remembered!
Wow, thanks for that bit of information regarding when a person has committed suicide in the early 1800’s seems barbaric to us now. Another interesting podcast.
Reading up on Suicide burials, after 1823 Suicides were allowed to be buried in a churchyard by private burial at night without a Christian Service. After 1882 daytime burials were allowed. Suicide wasn't decriminalised until 1961. It could be that a headstone was not permitted to be erected by the incumbent at the time.
I recently have heard the expression "Black Dog" it basically is an expression that means depression. Winston Churchill used the expression often because he frequently had bouts of depression. But it has a very old origin. Apparently it is an ancient expression used by the Welsh. If anybody felt depressed they would say they had 'The Black Dog". When I heard you say that the pub"s name was "The Black Dog" shivers went down my spine.
It seems strange he tried to take his own life at two locations. If he severed his main artery then he would lose consciousness within 30 seconds and dead in two minutes. It just doesn't ring right this case. Many people back then had worries and stress leading to depression. But did he commit suicide? I am just not convinced. Well presented and respectively done, guys.
Thanks again for another interesting video. Some suicides are quite hard to figure out, and in many cases this majes people wonder was it suicide ir was there fowl play involved. Nevertheless very interesting thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍
Thanks Shirley. One thing I love about what we do is uncover these long forgotten and local stories. I know they are a little dark, but these things happened on our doorstep, and to be able to take a look back into history, and to give the people involved a chance to be remembered, it's something we just love doing.
Hi Dave, thanks for commenting. Don't worry, we have loads of stories from the Victorian period yet to cover. We are just trying to please those who have been watching our videos but also asked if we could mix it up a bit with both old and modern stories.
My mum used have a friend called Chadwick in Fleetwood ,when I used to lived There ,I found Mr Chadwick very unsettling ,I don’t know Chadwick we’re ever Related To Charles from Tom
Charles (from this story) had a brother called Thomas, but he died in 1906. I think from memory, Charles' remaining brothers were James who hung himself in 1928 and another brother called Walter who passed around sometime in 1939.
If Chuck had cut his jugular vein, and it was still bleeding when the cops arrived, they must have arrived only minutes after he did it, because if he hit the jugular he would have bleeding out in minutes. If blood is still pumping out the wound, his heart was still beating
One thing that pussels me if you commit suicide surely you just do it there and then , so why was the body in the water , that would be for a self drowning and not afflicting wounds surely
This bid what we can't get our heads around. I mean, to walk from Haslingden over the moors and then to keep stabbing himself just doesn't add up. I personally believe there is more to it but it will be one I guess we will never fully know.
The flat grave stones on the floor, now don't laugh at me, but are they headstones that have been laid down or were they put on top of the graves like that?
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Thanks for another interesting video. As regards the changing of procedure in 1823 that meant that suicide victims were no longer buried at crossroads, I've tried to find out what occurred around that time that led to a difference to the mindset of the time. All I could find was a mention that King George IV's carriage was caught up in the throng of people who were watching the last known crossroads burial, that of 22-year-old Abel Griffiths in London. This encouraged the opposition of the practice as no doubt the king had inadvertently witnessed the sad event himself, but it seems that there was a growing sympathy to suicide victims anyway around that time so there's a possibility that the law would have been changed in any case.
Thanks for sharing that, as I say in the video, any help and any suggestions people can share with us is greatly appreciated. It kind of gives us some answers too when doing future videos 👍
It was a strange time back in the 1800s, as I think it was yourself that mentioned it was illegal to commit suicide! We've found dozens and dozens of short newspaper articles with people being charged over this 'crime'.
@@DaysofHorror It's amazing how many times I look into these kind of stories and find fascinating facts. I've read the newspaper reports of the time and it seems that some of Abel Griffiths' friends had waited for the constable to leave the crossroad burial site, dug him up, placed him in a coach, then they scarpered, so the coachman ended up going to the police station, whereupon he asked the policeman on duty what he should do with the body in the back seat of his coach!! Sounds like something out of a comedy sketch! He was eventually buried in a local churchyard, so it has a happy ending. Maybe it's a story with enough interest to do a video on, although I suppose I've already revealed the plot 😂
Nice one mate keep up the good work
Another great story/video. What a sad person Charles was !! my heart really goes out to him if only he would have shared his feelings with someone xx thanks again Paula from Oxfordshire
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Liked the video. My wife an i married at St James church nearly 50 years ago - the old church looks as good as ever. Thank you both.
That's lovely. Thanks for watching Robert, from Vickie & Chris
Good video as always. Love the quarry 😉. I've heard about the story of suicide burials at crossroads. I've covered one like that on Midgley Moor some time ago....his body being at the crossroads in the village gave great fear to the god-fearing locals. Looking forward to Townley Hall video ...😊
Cheers pal. I hadnt heard the crossroad's burials before, only when it comes to tales of the Devil ;-) and people being possessed. The Townley Hall one is going to test the water as I feel I may get some strongly worded comments from certain individuals but at the end of the day, its a story and a crime that happened and just like people from our long forgotten past, they should all be remembered!
Wow, thanks for that bit of information regarding when a person has committed suicide in the early 1800’s seems barbaric to us now. Another interesting podcast.
Reading up on Suicide burials, after 1823 Suicides were allowed to be buried in a churchyard by private burial at night without a Christian Service. After 1882 daytime burials were allowed. Suicide wasn't decriminalised until 1961. It could be that a headstone was not permitted to be erected by the incumbent at the time.
I recently have heard the expression "Black Dog" it basically is an expression that means depression. Winston Churchill used the expression often because he frequently had bouts of depression. But it has a very old origin. Apparently it is an ancient expression used by the Welsh. If anybody felt depressed they would say they had 'The Black Dog". When I heard you say that the pub"s name was "The Black Dog" shivers went down my spine.
Never heard of this before, thanks for sharing this information with us. 😊
It seems strange he tried to take his own life at two locations. If he severed his main artery then he would lose consciousness within 30 seconds and dead in two minutes. It just doesn't ring right this case. Many people back then had worries and stress leading to depression. But did he commit suicide? I am just not convinced. Well presented and respectively done, guys.
Thanks again for another interesting video. Some suicides are quite hard to figure out, and in many cases this majes people wonder was it suicide ir was there fowl play involved. Nevertheless very interesting thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍
Thanks Shirley. One thing I love about what we do is uncover these long forgotten and local stories. I know they are a little dark, but these things happened on our doorstep, and to be able to take a look back into history, and to give the people involved a chance to be remembered, it's something we just love doing.
After just watching the modern one you've just put up. Yes I like the victorian one more.
Hi Dave, thanks for commenting. Don't worry, we have loads of stories from the Victorian period yet to cover. We are just trying to please those who have been watching our videos but also asked if we could mix it up a bit with both old and modern stories.
My mum used have a friend called Chadwick in Fleetwood ,when I used to lived
There ,I found Mr Chadwick very unsettling ,I don’t know Chadwick we’re ever Related
To Charles from Tom
Charles (from this story) had a brother called Thomas, but he died in 1906. I think from memory, Charles' remaining brothers were James who hung himself in 1928 and another brother called Walter who passed around sometime in 1939.
If Chuck had cut his jugular vein, and it was still bleeding when the cops arrived, they must have arrived only minutes after he did it, because if he hit the jugular he would have bleeding out in minutes. If blood is still pumping out the wound, his heart was still beating
Church records. Surly have. Plan of who. Bride nth gaveyardsnd where, so pehas yneogintouchwith church esdend, or check local recrds office?
One thing that pussels me if you commit suicide surely you just do it there and then , so why was the body in the water , that would be for a self drowning and not afflicting wounds surely
This bid what we can't get our heads around. I mean, to walk from Haslingden over the moors and then to keep stabbing himself just doesn't add up. I personally believe there is more to it but it will be one I guess we will never fully know.
The flat grave stones on the floor, now don't laugh at me, but are they headstones that have been laid down or were they put on top of the graves like that?
Vickie says toppled headstones, and I kind-of agree, but then again, I cant be 100% certain 🤔
@DaysofHorror I think she's right actually. Thinking about it, they would have sunk in wouldn't they as the earth settled over the grave.