Pescatarian animal lover confused about ethics, until... | CHANGE MY MIND | PT 3
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Another instalment of the 'Change My Mind' Debates.
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Your videos are terrific Joey, so very helpful to learn how to talk to people in a calm, logical manner. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Leftist soyboys can't even come up with their own ideas for videos. Have to steal them from meat eating conservatives.
@@justinberber9848 Crowder doesn't own this idea. No one owns this idea/format. Anyone can use it. If someone used this idea when it came to advocating against any other injustice whether it be racism, sexism, etc., would you say a similar thing to them? If not, that's a double standard. Also, "soyboys" is super original. Haven't heard that one a million times... Maybe before insulting/criticizing someone, take a look in the mirror first.
@@FieldOfFireflies I look in the mirror often and admire the large muscle growth fueled by grass fed and finished beef (mmmm) and wild caught salmon.
Of course Crowder doesn't own the idea but just the fact that you know who he is means he's the one who came up with it and made it famous. You want to talk unoriginal, it's vegans stealing ideas from meat eating conservatives.
Is this video's from Australia?
Conslusion: People are against animal abuse in their minds and hearts but not in their actions.
@Hunab Ku it's easy until you're the victim.
This is the biggest problem. Animals lovers, who support animal cruelty. And there are for sure more animal lovers at heart in the world, than people who hate animals. But they're missing the connection. We just have to keep on with the education - most of us weren't born vegan but now we are. And if we can let the information in our heart, other people can and will too!
@Aidan BUTLER Ever heard of Jeffrey Dahmer?
@@richiedaly87 no living being wants to die, regardless of whether it's had an amazing life or not. That is the point.
I'd rephrase: People are against animal abuse in their minds but not in their hearts.
How they all worry about protein, yet they don't know where it comes from. Whoever started to plant that worry-about-protein thought in peoples heads did a effective job. 🙄
The dairy and meat industries with their billboards, commercials and advertisements have and still do an excellent job convincing people that we need to eat animal products to get protein, calcium, etc., etc. Humans are so brainwashed.
Lucky theres a lot of things that have protein the ppl who bring up protein are usually the ones who prefer the taste if animal proteins.
I don’t eat meat for protein, I eat meat because it’s better than the vegan shit you people eat
Negan what makes u think ur taste buds are more important than killing an innocent sentient being
It seems like anti-vegans have planted many lies in peoples heads:
"You can't get protein on a plant-based diet"
"You can't get b12 on a plant-based diet"
"You kill more plants, who have feelings"
"Men need meat to be masculine"
The list goes on.
Wow. I was so incredibly moved by the gentleman in the wheelchair, tears of joy. Absolutely beautiful person. ❤️
I think it should be mandatory for EVERYONE to watch Earthlings, Dominion, What The Health and Cowspiracy,….. Animals are not anyone's property. Nobody has the right to someone else's life.
food is food, ok then come by my house my Rottweilers are hungry and you will be there food. so you should not have a problem with this now.
well Ribeye, that only means that you are a psychopath, aka an asshole
Kita, could not agree more!
@Ribeye Demon What the heart desires, the will chooses and the mind justifies. Have you landed on a justification to continue eating animals?
Agree.
She's excacly like me. I used to be pescetarian 3 years ago. Fully vegan now and never looked back.
Nayaab I hope she sees your comment ❤️
When I transitioned to my current vegan diet, the last of the animal based food I ate was oysters. When I stopped eating them I felt better as a bonus. I noticed less aches and pains from inflammation. Years later, i now wish I had gone vegan sooner.
Stoked to hear you made THE change! 🌱💚
The guy at the end tho🙌🙏
I was pesc before i was vegan, and what turned me vegan was when i learned that if we dont stop fishing at the rate we are well have fishless oceans by 2050, and i relized i was part of the problem so i stopped. I was already dairy free at the point too but i learned about the male baby chicks getting gassed and blended i went fully vegan
I only found out the other day that fish can survive 24 hours out of water. Imagine gasping for breath for that long! Terrifying.
Awesome, and thank you so much! I hope your vegan journey goes well
Nobody can for sure say the oceans will be fishless by 2050 and I have been vegan for 7 years but the rate and method by which we extract fish from the oceans can’t be good by any stretch of the imagination. In extreme cases like in the Arctic native people need fish. Many ordinary people view fish as swimming vegetables as if they cannot feel pain etc. I think when in doubt we should air on the side of caution. If we can’t prove something doesn’t feel pain, and we have alternatives to eat a sufficient diet, why wouldn’t you? I get all the things I need from my plant diet and strive to live a cruelty free live style. And it sounds crazy but I’m actually saving plant lives too because my food doesn’t need to eat ten fold the plants just to eat them vs eating plants directly. Some people are concerned about plant ethics on a spiritual level and that’s usually what I tell them (that you actually save more plant lives by adopting a vegan lifestyle!
That sounds like new. Fish was the last thing I gave up after I found out how terribly cruel it is and how it is destroying the world.
She says something along the lines of, "I don't think killing animals while they're still alive is right.." As opposed to what, killing them while they are already dead? Are these zombie animals she's referring to? Lol!
Lol! I was wondering the same thing
😂😂😂
Hahaha I thought the same thing when she said it 😂
Lol before learning about how animals are treated and killed, I thought that the farmers wait until an animal dies of old age and then they chop them up 😂
Last one really heart touching
He's so sweet.
He may not be able to stand, but in the moral realm he is a towering hero!
What a sweetheart he was.
So so so... sweet.
Smarter than the rest of the people
"I gave up fishing the day I realized that by catching them, the fish did not shiver with joy." Louis de Funès.
les végétaliens sont si stupides ;)
@@tipsytopsytown3576 👎
@@tipsytopsytown3576 apporte des arguments qui supportent tes dires,, mom cher, car, présentement, tu n'en a visiblement aucun. Quel est ton argument contre le végétalisme en tant que tel?
@@tipsytopsytown3576 Ad-homs are blank bullets.
@@donaldanderson6578 it wasn't an ad-hom.
How are people still so misinformed on protein and why does everyone seek it out like they are Arnold or something?!?! Another great vid Joey. I think she will come around :D
THE MAN HIMSELF! ❤️
Protein doesn’t really do much good unless it’s lean and you’re eating it in conjunction with colorful and diverse fruits and vegetables
Funny how she worries about protein when she's a 120 lbs girl.
I'm a 32 years old man, an athlete who trains 6-7 days per week, I've been vegan for over 8 years, and I don't worry abour protein.
Martin Wright pinball isn’t a sport. Kidding. I mean it isn’t. But just want to make you laugh. Ps I like pinball. Have a good day
ZenRx ZenRx : lol, it's okay. I'm a marathoner, though. And I also do some cycling and weight lifting.
Do you worry about his Apple laptop that was made in a Chinese sweat shop, which supports slave labour.
You still eat dairy M8
@@TrueCrimeReport Classic straw man dude... really weak.
I mean if you are passionate about chinese workers then go ahead and start educating and campaining. But these people are not being bred into existence and killed for their flesh. I mean what TF even is your argument there? Leave everything as it is right now BC we can't change everything at once?!
ONE EVIL DOES NOT MAKE ANOTHER EVIL RIGHT.
Being vegan does not make you morally perfect, but its the single best thing to do to help animals, the environment and ultimately humanity.
I agree that we should pay people proper vages for their work and improve working conditions. But that doesnt really take away from veganism as a life philosophy and moral compass.
I've been a Pescatarian once too.
I've been a meat-eater, then I only ate organic meat, then I've been a Pescatarian, then when I was 13 years old I became a vegetarian and now I'm 17 and I've been vegan since two years.
The people on this planet didn't tell me anything. How could I've known..
Well done mate! I went vegan at the age of 39. And I only regret not doing it before.
*I No Longer Steal From Nature* , _Abu Ala Al Ma'arri_
You are diseased in understanding and religion.
Come to me, that you may hear something of sound truth.
Do not unjustly eat fish the water has given up,
And do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals,
Or the white milk of mothers who intended its pure draught
for their young, not noble ladies.
And do not grieve the unsuspecting birds by taking eggs;
for injustice is the worst of crimes.
And spare the honey which the bees get industriously
from the flowers of fragrant plants;
For they did not store it that it might belong to others,
Nor did they gather it for bounty and gifts.
I washed my hands of all this; and wish that I
Perceived my way before my hair went gray!
Wtf is organic meat
You've done a good development! Great
Yep. I went through the pescetarian, vegetarian, flexitarian, organic meat and dairy routes before finally accepting that veganism is the only lifestyle that truly aligns with my morals.
@@morphkogan8627 this bs, happy chickens & freerange
Being concerned about getting proper nutrition as a vegan led to me getting better nutrition than I ever had before.
Same!
That last guy at the end almost made me cry 😭❤️
Joey man..... I was close to the end of this video and almost changed to another video cause I felt it was over, but then the guy in the wheelchair literally made me cry. You should seriously make that footage it’s own video.
Mee too! ❤❤
Big babies
@@sO_RoNerY No. These are emotionally healthy humans. Big babies are non vegans who still drink titty milk at 30 years of age.
Need a documentary that’ll end pescatarianism forever ASAP
Hahaha
Yes. Yes we absolutely do.
So it’s worse than meat-eating? It’s a good way to dramatically reduce consumption of animal products for some people.
No, it’s better. But it’s often a place of comfort for many to stop and it perpetuates that “some animals deserve it more than others” mindset
Seaspiracy :)
The guys eagerness to learn at the end of the video what he can do to be vegan just melted my heart ❤️
The ending was heart warming.
🙄she's literally saying she supports it by purchasing the products. But yet she cant admit it to herself, that she dose support animal abuse.🤦♀️
You're right, nevertheless people were never confronted with the truth. Give her time. I was an omnivore as well, switched to vegetarian and I am vegan
It's the giant, heavy door of hypocrisy that every non-vegan doesn't want to face. The ones that sack up and eventually open it become vegan.
I'm totally against animal cruelty but I eat meat. I'm also completely opposed to terrorism, but I give money to ISIS every month. I'm not a hypocrite at all because personal choice and bacon and lions.
@@anthonydude haha spot on
@@anthonydude
That's about the gist of their logic!
The last guy is a very compassionate person, he is so sweet
Does anyone even know what protein is? The way people seem to think they need a truck load of it I think they don't know what protein is.
Wujeeta but it’s only a concern when they need an excuse to keep eating meat.
That man also gets it! 🤗 Future is Vegan
A vegan future is a logical fallacy.
Not if sv3rige has anything to do with it.
@@XTheCrystalBeastGuyX We act now so it becomes reality!
Your future maybe.
I'll stick with being a meat eating carnivore.
Ignorance is bliss 🤷♂️ she seemed like she still didn't make the connection in the end.
Have some meat idiot!
She didn’t seem very smart. Think she was just very good hearted. So at one point she’ll get what Joey meant by the table cloth statement
@@xtylishb4377 why, are you selling it ?
God bless that Man in the wheel chair 🌱🐮🙌🏽
I wish there were more Carnists like this. No mental gymnastics, no wishy washy borderline lies about their actions etc. Just facing the tough questions and being honest about their place in it all. Thank you.
@@richiedaly87 Appreciate the honesty. Thank you. Help me understand why?
@@richiedaly87 Soy, lentil, quinoa, wild rice, black beans, sweet potatoes, squash, eggplant, couscouse, chai seed, pumpkin seed, almond, cachew. Rice milk, soy milk, hemp milk, cachew milk and much more.
@@richiedaly87 what magical vitamin or nutrient specifically in flesh must you have? Also what aspect of any of those foods harms you? Please be specific.
@@xenithsanguine whats a carnist?
@@supersaiyanbino en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism
Change my mind series are the most interesting to watch. Once you start questioning their logic the mental gymnastics become incredible . Great job Joey !
Very pretty girl and you can tell that she has a good heart but was probably just unaware of what’s wrong with eating fish. I really hope she started the 22 day vegan challenge!
There is nothing wrong with eating fish, it's extremely healthy, nutritions and contains many essential fats and nutrients.
@@MikesManCave in terms of nutrients, yes, fish is healthy, but fish also have cholesterol and contaminants. If you eat a variety of plants, you can get the best of both worlds - the nutrients without the contaminants
Yeah. And how are you going to catch fish without man made netting? We’re not carnivores or omnivores. We’re herbivores.
@@MikesManCave extremely healthy huh?
@@pascalbruenner How do plants not have contaminants?? They grow in contaminated environment and are full of contaminants.
"Protein tho"
Ah shit, here we go again
I think she'll become vegan very soon!
@Ribeye Demon c'mon. You know, what she means. It's her guess and valid to comment like this.
@Ribeye Demon that's why she said, "think".
Every little helps , although she might be a reason for people to assume that vegans are not too bright :D
She is vegan in her heart so it's only a matter of time.
To the men that decided to write negative comments to eating meat I wonder if you know there are studies that have shown eating meat can cause erictle dysfunction.
They still think that meat makes you more of a man because of reasons... Even though it makes you "less" of a man. :P
Also lows testosterone levels in men. Especially eggs extremely high in estrogen.
idk what it is but she seems so giddy that she's talking to joey lolol
I think she was nervous.
Yeah you could tell she was extremely nervous
Or not
The only fish we ever ate growing up was Captain Highliner fishsticks. My mom hated fish so we never had it in the house. Well, now I have my own family. My wife and I have been vegan for 4 years and my four kids are also vegan. Keep up the inspiring videos Joey. I want to try this type of questioning on people at my next cube of truth.
Loved the end of the video sweet and peaceful conversation ❤
No bull. Heart to heart 💓
“If you saw the fish being stabbed, you’d go for the vegan option?”
“Well what’s the vegan option?”
I know she said yes she would a few minutes later, but it’s still funny that people would rather choose a dead fish that they just saw suffocating and stabbed to death instead of another food choice made of plants🤦🏼♀️
I cannot get over how people can look at a screen showing an abused animal and still laugh.
@@richiedaly87 I support anything that ends the slaughter of innocent animals.
@@richiedaly87 I support a whole foods plant based diet and no harm to any animals whatsoever.
@@richiedaly87 I promote a whole foods plant based diet for humans and would never eat lab grown meat myself and if you were to go Vegan, would never recommend you eat lab grown meat either. My suggestion is that you eat whole fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and certain grains. That is what our biological adaptation is designed for not meat. If you crave something similar to flesh, you can eat mushrooms which are more delicious and healthier than any kind of animal on this planet.
@xxaleenazxx How do you tell if it is nervous laugh or real laugh?
The end with the guy in the wheelchair was remarkable
I gained weight on a vegan diet actually. Healthy weight at least but I never felt like I wasn't getting enough nutrition in my diet. Good showing.
Video Game Sanctuary wow! I lost weight but on whole food plant based food and consume very minimally processed food such as fake meats as well as oils. Kudos to you for remaining a vegan.
@@allee3476 Not hard, just gotta eat more calorie dence foods. Tofu helps a lot. And thanks 😁
Ahh good old "protien" marketing..... 10/10 to them, they instilled the fear in us all good and deep
She has compassion. I think you changed her mind! You are a true hero Joey 😌
Nothing but love Joey! Thanks for all you do
Amazing video and touching ending!
Thanks Joey!
Heart to heart ♥
This “Change My Mind” concept is an exceptional idea. I hope you’ve seen/engaged with many individuals at that public table. The statement alone gets people thinking. You may be having one on one’s at that particular moment but it’s another seed for anyone who sees the sign or experienced the videos, once posted. Another massive thumbs up!
Thank you for being precisely who you are and thanks (to all involved) for doing what you do to help spread the awareness.
Great conversation! I'm sure she is going to be thinking about this conversation for a bit
she seems really sweet and her heart is in the right place. i have a feeling that Joey planted a seed in her
tam 13 pun intended
The ending was so sweet, melted my heart ❤️
Another great video bro, keep it up!
You are doing great work Joey! Thank you for doing this and being a true inspiration!
@@richiedaly87 I would never eat it myself, but I understand the appeal. An article I read on the pros and cons still put animal suffering as part of the cons, because of the amount of cells they would need to start mass production. I also know that meat, in general, has inherent negative impact on health. I don't know enough about the process to go any further on the subject at this time, but for right now I am not a supporter.
Awesome work!
Thank you Joey for helping her to understand that animal cruelty is wrong and maybe she will change her mind and make better choices.
Great video ! Positively guided her thru the ethics and double standards !
I don't think she understood the whole sens of the conversation 😳
Some females are too dense.
I think she understood it I think she just didn't want to verbally admit it
The reason she does not understand it is because it is non sense.
@@MikesManCave Please explain
!? He is a troll, leave him be
Protein or Amino acids are found throughout the plant kingdom.
This was a really good one! She was truly learning a lot and very open minded. I enjoyed this conversation!
She is lovely. Great one, Joey!
Great post! Make sure to let people know that many bread products now contain milk products and honey. The best thing to do is always read the bread label to confirm!
Love the change my mind episodes
She needs to learn about bycatch (bykill) also. And the man at the end is very compassionate; cool.
I'm interested to learn about these. I'm vegan, but I'm just curious about what these mean.
@@SavvySchmidt This is a quick summary of it, without showing actual horrible graphic footage: ruclips.net/video/NklxOhr2faI/видео.html
@@SavvySchmidt With shrimp, it's something like, for every 1 pound of shrimp caught, 5 pounds of other sea life perish in the process. Completely unsustainable and unethical.
Loved the guy in the wheelchair
Good job, buddy! I think we soon have at least one more member in the vegan community
“I don’t like this growing trend of moral living that contradicts my faulty and uninformed views. It MUST be a cult!”
@Hawaii Nei "memeber", haha! You dumbass!
Awesome job Joey! You didn't let her get off the hook and brought everything back to the statement on the board at the end!
That last one is amazingg, kinda made me teary
I switched between vegetarian and flexitarian for 7 years (starting from the age of 8) but I am comping up on my 2 year anniversary as a vegan because simply not eating meat wasn’t enough to line my morals up with my actions.
The whole time it felt like she was unaware they were discussing people exactly like her.
Beautiful to see, thank you 🙏
Seeing the way you interact with the disabled gentleman at the end was very heart warming joey, I used to hate you because deep down I knew you were right, keep being you mate 💙
I had two goldfish growing up and so made the connection pretty early on. They were happy to see me every time I came in, they’d play together and had adorable personalities. Looking back I don’t think it’s right to take fish from the sea to begin with but I’m grateful they taught me a lesson 🐠
"I would be vegan, but..." and I'm rubbing my hands together thinking, here we go.
AAAAWWWW that guy at the end. I'd have loved to have seen your whole convo with him Joey now matter how short xx
this is a great series joey.bring back the pac outro
Lífspeki.
An Icelandic word that means ‘The practical philosophy by which one lives one’s life’.
Once you figured out, that only your actions define who you are, there is no turning back.
500th like. Great job Joey.
that guy in a wheelchair sounds like a sweet soul
It was a film that a teacher showed her when she was a child that convinced her to stop eating farm animals and probably your conversation that will convince her to now stop supporting animal exploitation altogether. Makes me think about how just a couple of acts like that can have so much impact on another person. Nice to see your different approach to talking with both of these people.
She seems like an honest, well-intentioned person. Just probably just been misinformed, uninformed, fed excuses, and conditioned in a way that kept her from aligning her actions with her values. I hope she does do the challenge, and I hope she finds it to be a rewarding experience. Keep up the good work, Joey!!
What about goldfish. They are pets. So how does that fit with being a pescatatian.
Veganism is against domestication of animals, pescatarianism isn't based on any morality, only Veganism is.
@@80slimshadys What is your source for that?
@@michelemustafa7912source for what? It's logic
If you are pescetarian you are a meat eater.
I'm loving these discussions Joey it's a great convo starter and a good.way to get people thinking
Wow amazing!
this went really well! I had a conversation with a pescatarian the other day (it's on my channel) but she wasn't quite as obviously sold as she is - practice makes perfect I guess
This was the best segment in the “Change my mind” series... Great job Joey 👍🏻. You can tell these two people understand that by purchasing animal products they are supporting animal abuse
Great interview Joey. I couldn't understand why after all she said that she couldn't agree with you statement. My thoughts were that she is compassionate but still very disconnected when it comes to fish and seafood. She was very interested in her health and nutrition and yet if she looked into what she was consuming she would find out that she is probably not having the healthiest of a diet at all I hope she accepts the challenge. Excellent work as always Joey respectful and eloquent. The gentleman at the end of the video has been watching for a while. I believe he wants to make the right choices but just needed the guidance and support that the vegan challenge can offer people
Interesting to see when people don't try and argue a load of points
This whole video ... the message... the impact ... all beautiful. 🙌💖
You're a complete pillock.😂
@@tipsytopsytown3576 I care about your opinion, why?
@@SavvySchmidt for agreeing with what this fućkwit(joey) says.
@@SavvySchmidt you vegans have a bad habit of peeping into ppl's lunchboxes. So what if we choose pastrami over disgusting salads, it's none of your business.
@@tipsytopsytown3576 Do you think it's morally right to violently abuse another sentient being for the sake of a dietary preference?
Great work. please speak up for fishes more! They're sentient and want to live just as much as anyone else. Trillions are killed each year. Also, saying "fishes" instead of "fish" when referring to more than one fish is important because it emphasizes that they're individual people and not just "fish," the "food."
Love the last one. He got it faster than most people. Most people so caught up in their heads with their egos.
I absolutely love the last guy at the end he is a kind caring person 💟😇
Thank you Joey! The absolute least we can do is to stay vegan and like and comment on your vids so more people can see your content
Great conversations 👌👌👍 Sounds like a great yr 9 teacher the young woman had ☺
LOVE you Joey xxx
Brilliant Joey. So inspiring, vegan for the animals.
It was suggested near the end of the video that all bread is vegan. I just wanted to say that not all bread is vegan. I have a hard time finding vegan bread sometimes..
Most breads are vegan. But again it depends where you live, in the US they sneak in dairy almost anywhere. UK, in those terms, is definitely better.
@@MasterM333 I live in Canada and I'm in the US frequently. Most breads in both countries are not vegan. Here, if your favorite store is sold out of the one vegan bread option, you'll be lucky to find another one..
@@MMAchampeen that's exactly what I said. Joey speaks for the UK, in UK most breads are vegan.
@@MasterM333 I see. He should've told the dude that 'most' bread is vegan instead of 'all' bread is vegan..
Maybe, and probably the same goes for pasta, since some of them contain egg. I guess he was just generalising as the bread or pasta the guy eats most probably is vegan.
She was definitely almost there, she will go vegan I think :D! The last guy is getting it as well, his heart is where it needs to be. You definitely planted a seed there, nice one Joey!!
Joey you're the best man you're amazing you inspire me and many others in this world. Keep up the great work you're doing there's a fire in Your Heart keep it lit! I love you man for what you doing.
ANON4LIFE.......
It's funny how she only focuses on the animals she doesn't eat. While ignoring that the fact that fish she is eating weren't floating on the surface of the ocean.
Two good points right there.
My parents brought us up as vegetarians. But occasionally ate sea food if it was caught by a friend. When camping in France when at high school age, my parents had some crab with their friends and me and my brother were so horrified we sat on the opposite side of the field to eat our dinner! After protesting it was wrong.
She's honest but only up to the point where she doesn't have to look in the mirror and face her own dishonesty. She's honest about being dishonest. This can be clearly seen in this interview. Bless her on her soul's journey to wholeness integrity and compassion
"I'm already partially a vegan because I eat pasta." 😆
Beautiful ending with the man at the end.
*your a genius Joey*