Parish and Monastery- Friends or Enemies?
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Here in Russia, our understanding is that our Orthodox monks are the beating heart of our country. Without them, we would be in a truly dire state.
To be honest, we need the holy prayers of our monastic brothers and sisters even more than they need the material and financial support from the parish. To me, it is simply unthinkable that monasteries and parishes could be enemies. But, God help us, nobody is perfect and pride lurks in all kinds of places.
God bless you and your countrymen for preserving the True Spirit of Holy Orthodoxy!
Merry Christmas, Russian brother. Christ is born!
@@tomjull1106 Amen! Glory to God!
@@BodilessVoice Thank God for hearing the prayers of the faithful and delivering us from the yoke of the Godless (Soviet) authorities!
Thanks be to God!
Here in West Virginia, we have the great blessing of Holy Cross monastary. I humbly urge everyone to take advantage of their online broadcast of the daily offices. And if possible, please consider supporting the building of their new church in whatever capacity you are capable 🙏☦️
I AM SO THANKFUL that when God called me out of darkness, I left LA and never looked back, and then, after years of suffering through a few main Protestant denoms., He finally brought our family to Orthodoxy in Montreal, QC, Canada -- Quebec, of all places! And I'm very thankful I am not there anymore, but back in the more peaceful province of dear old Nova Scotia where our family began! Glory to God in all things! PS: I attended one of your lectures on technology at St Michael the Archangel Romanian Orthodox Church in Montreal, Fr. Josiah.
Welcome 🙏 to Montreal my beautiful home town so miss it and my beautiful Russian Church ☦️
@@user-uc1fx9sq1omontreal is a hole now. Nova Scotia is much better
Most sincere thoughts from Romania. May the Lord be praised for the work you do in the US bringing more people to know the one true God. Doamne ajuta!
What a surprising comparison to hear, father! We are romanians. My husband is a priest also, here in Transylvania and just about yesterday I was telling him about how the two of you resemble. Only we are younger and only have 5 children for the moment.😃 It's a marvelous thing to see the unity of belief, of orthodoxy in spite of any distance, time, age or other thing. I constantly listen to you and then talk to my husband about it. Thank you a lot for all you do here for us, we appreciate you and have you in our prayers. 🤗
Kind regards,
Father Răzvan and Ileana
In America with so many recent converts, there is a risk of the "correctness disease" as Fr Seraphim Rose called it. I believe Fr Josiah's video is a soft way to approach one current element of this way of behaving, to steer us back to the Royal Path
@@ellemnop123 Can you explain what do you mean by correctness disease?
@@jacobliddiard158 Saint Seraphim Rose writes, "One Old Calendarist bishop in Greece has written to us that incalculable harm has been done to the Orthodox Church in Greece by what he calls the correctness disease, when people quote canons, Fathers, the typicon in order to prove they are correct and everyone else is wrong. Correctness can truly become a disease when it is administered without love and tolerance and awareness of ones own imperfect understanding. Such a correctness only produces continual schisms, and in the end only helps the Ecumenical Movement by reducing the witness of sound Orthodoxy.
Conspicuous among Orthodox today-certain to be with us into the 1980s-is the worldly spirit by which Orthodoxy is losing its savor, expressed in the Ecumenical Movement, together with the reaction against it, which is often excessive precisely because the same worldly spirit is present in it.
There will undoubtedly be an increasing number of Orthodox converts in America and Europe in the coming decade, and we must strive that our missionary witness to them will help to produce, not cold, calculating, correct experts in the letter of the law, but warm, loving, simple Christians-at least as far as our haughty Western temperament will allow." orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/frseraphimspeaks.aspx
As a catholic new to the apostolic church, your understanding and wisdom are critical for my growth. As we are constantly on guard, thank you for your guidance!!!
The order of the spiritual life is that the monks imitate the angels and the laity imitate the monks.
Monasticism is a higher degree of renunciation than ordinary, married clergy. The degrees of monasticism also differ.
Whichever way one feels an inclination towards let it be blessed! 🙏🏻☦️
It's when you long for Monastery that you're happy in a Parish.
The Monestary helps the parish churches from straying to far from our traditions. Its is way for the parishes recalibrate. But the parish churches are very good for families and kid and teens. We are blessed to have both available.
God give you strength Father Josiah!
Fr. Josiah .. Thank you for this.
Glad to hear about Arizona monasteries 🤭 native Arizonian here. St. Anthony's is the most beautiful place I've ever been
Your teachings are wonderful ☦️
I just visited a Monastery here in Northern California, Vina, yesterday. The Abbey of Our Lady of New Clairvaux ..
Many people who are dedicated to monasteries are among the best parishioners who give more than others. Those who are against monasteries are spiritually immature. Materialism always leads to destruction and people just need to look at the condition in America to vslidate this. Father outlines the heresey of some monks and provides good insights on this heresey of thinking marriage is less than monastic life. Without good Christian Marriages, there will be no monasteries or Christians in one generation. Monasteries are essential for refreshment of all and support to Christian families. Families that support monasteries tend to enjoy a deeper relationship with each other and the community. Monastic life also provides a path for many people who want a single life and to dedicate it to the Lord. Whether married or single, living as a Christian is always a struggle. Satan's great deception is to convince people that it will be easy living a live a life in Christ. It never is easy because fighting the passions is a never ending battle fir married, single in the world, and monastic people. Married people often wind up widowed and very few widows are able to transition to a monastic life in a monastery but single widows/ widowers often are some of the most active parishioners in a church community.
In America, there is a term for Orthodox Christians who are against monastics. Though, it doesn't always apply, thank goodness! That term is "bishop."
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I live in Ventura county and had no idea there was a monastery so close to me! I will make plans to visit, thank you Father how exciting!
needed this video!!!!!
Hello Fr, the monastery in Santa Paula is amazing! Mother Victoria is a very experienced monastic. Lord willing her monastery grows. There is also a small mens monastery (2 monks) north of San Diego in Temecula that is in the Romanian diocese I believe.
Christ is Born, Glorify Him. That is the sad reality in some Orthodox Archdioceses and Dioceses. They discourage the young faithful men and women when they approach the priest or bishop not to discern monastic life but instead of marriage life, and it shows the life of a parish priest not even having a time out to go to monastery to pray and reflect. May God guide and give them light that the synergy of parish and monastery be constant in producing both vocation, marriage, monastics and priest.
Thanks, Fr.
I can’t wait to buy that book
In my experience, parishes also need the energy of individuals who are neither married nor monastics.
There is much work to be done behind the scenes (teaching, cooking, cleaning, choir, reading, organizing, facility maintenance, bookkeeping, building projects, event coordination, etc) and oftentimes parishes lean heavily on the unmarried to perform these acts of service because neither the clergy nor the parishioners with young families have the time, energy, or resources to do so.
Often these duties were performed by the diaconate - there is a tradition of having unmarried deacons who help liturgically but also administratively in church and community life.
Very helpful video.
Thank you for yr adult and wholistic view and advice.
I want to open a monastery on my family's property one day.
Excellent dear Abouna, if we were to disdain conyugal union, we would disdain the Commandmend of God: "multiply" in Genesis. Even Apostles were selected: 10 married and 2 celibate (If I remember correctly) may God bless your Ministry
Saint John of Damascus, from An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith:
Carnal men abuse virginity , and the pleasure-loving bring forward the following verse in proof, Cursed be every one that raises not up seed in Israel. But we, made confident by God the Word that was made flesh of the Virgin, answer that virginity was implanted in man's nature from above and in the beginning. For man was formed of virgin soil. From Adam alone was Eve created. In Paradise virginity held sway. Indeed, Divine Scripture tells that both Adam and Eve were naked and were not ashamed. But after their transgression they knew that they were naked, and in their shame they sewed aprons for themselves. And when, after the transgression, Adam heard, dust you are and unto dust shall you return , when death entered into the world by reason of the transgression, then Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bare seed. So that to prevent the wearing out and destruction of the race by death, marriage was devised that the race of men may be preserved through the procreation of children.
But they will perhaps ask, what then is the meaning of “male and female,” and “Be fruitful and multiply?” In answer we shall say that “Be fruitful and multiply ”does not altogether refer to the multiplying by the marriage connection. For God had power to multiply the race also in different ways, if they kept the precept unbroken to the end. But God, Who knows all things before they have existence, knowing in His foreknowledge that they would fall into transgression in the future and be condemned to death, anticipated this and made “male and female,” and bade them “be fruitful and multiply.” Let us, then, proceed on our way and see the glories of virginity: and this also includes chastity.
`Augustine of Hippo wrote:
But I am aware of some that murmur: What, say they, if all men should abstain from all sexual intercourse, whence will the human race exist? Would that all would this, only in “charity out of a pure heart, and good conscience, and faith unfeigned;” much more speedily would the City of God be filled, and the end of the world hastened.[28]
Gregory of Nyssa warns that no one should be lured by the argument that procreation is a mechanism that creates children and states that those who refrain from procreation by preserving their virginity "bring about a cancellation of death by preventing it from advancing further because of them, and, by setting themselves up as a kind of boundary stone between life and death, they keep death from going forward".[29]`
also read saint john chyrsostom. the fathers very clearly say that virginity is what God would want us all to be living out, but it is our weakness and not anything else that hinders it.
@@adenise__122 great that you read, I believe none could read all the Fathers. And you are right, they are a Fountain of knowledge
May I ask for where I can read St. John Chrysostom's teaching on getting out of the city into nature and monastaries please?
I tried to order it from Amazon but it doesn't ship to Greece! Where could I purchase it from?
God bless you Father Josiah ❤🙏 got a question that's been bothering me. Lately we've been seeing these rapper's making Christians music. Christian rap. What do you think about it and is it ok to listen to it?
Where are all the Antiochian monastery’s ??
They're around. Depends on where you live. There aren't many, unfortunately. At least, not as many as the Catholic Church has, let alone the Greek and Russian Orthodox churches. Antiochian parishes are growing, so it's only a matter of time before more monasteries start cropping up across the West, God willing.
There’s Ladyminster in Colorado ☦️
I post this question cause, here in Sydney the Antiochian church is full blown ecumenist. You have the Bishop and priests doing joint prayers with Catholics etc it’s sickening lord have mercy. When ever you ask them why they don’t have monks or monastery’s, they say God will send them when we need them. They have aloud the spirit of modernism and ecumenism to tear through the church because half of them are masons. Quite frankly monks and monastery’s here in Australia would be a problem for them.
Hi Father it would be nice if you could make a video on vaticans clarification on the controversial subject because you already spoke against it.
Sadly in Bulgaria where live we really do not have functioning monasteries. We barely have adequate clergy to cover need. The monastic revival outside of Mount Athos Bulgarian monastery ,has not reached here.
Unfortunately, in America, we have monasticism growing, but many reject the holy teachings that our good monasteries offer them; many will even say these are “theologumena”. and lose out on such soul healing and contrition building teachings.
Very sad to gear brother, it's unfortunate how much a tourist place St John of Rila monastery has become.
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Why don't the Antiochians have many monasteries in the US? Could it be because there was a Met. who was anti monastic? I know there have been multiple attempts to found monasteries but none came to fruition. It's very sad...
Met. Philip was anti-Monastic because of the recent decline of Monastic Life in the Arab World.
Met. Joseph wanted to correct the course.
Met. Saba may actually do so.
Pray for Met. Saba as he has much work ahead of him.
An OCA Abbess once told me that the reason why the Antiochians don't have any monasteries is not so much that they're "anti-monastic" but because they have done it INCORRECTLY. They have tried making monasteries with people who have had zero monastic experience or monasteries that is owned by non monastics, and it never ends up working.
@@Calciu_83 Years ago Bishop Basil told us he had plans for a Monastery. A couple was donating the land where they lived. But we never heard anything about it again. I forgot the location.
😧 I had no idea there exists animosity between some parishes and monasteries. I learned a lot from your reflection. I am very blessed in my region of Appalachia that our parishes support our monastery and vice-versa. I agree with @Alex462047 that our Orthodox monks are the beating heart of community ❤🙏🏻
The Antiochians need to take advantage of the late Elder Ephraim monasteries whenever they can. ☦️
He was truly a modern Apostle. People that don’t see this are not paying attention. Lord, help us.
Don’t ask the Greeks this question I was actively told at the parish where I became a catechumen that monasteries were for retirees and special-needs individuals. We have to do something about Elpidophoros and Bartholomew. I am incredibly grateful that I was able to switch diocese.
I’m sorry that you received this message at your parish. My experience in a Greek Orthodox parish has been quite the opposite. I’m glad you found a new place for your spiritual growth. Please don’t denigrate all Greek Orthodox for the errors of some. There are many Greek Orthodox who have beautiful relationships with monasteries and strive to live in truth and reject heresy. Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me
@@joannam1446 I would say that’s a valid point but my experience across 3 states in 4 different Greek parishes have all proved disappointing, the Greek diocese is all to ready to have its very own “Vatican II” and modernize for the sake of Protestant comfort and conformance to the western society around them. Glad you’re having a good experience though genuinely. God bless
You are not wrong about the fast track toward “modernization” and conforming to the times. May those of us who can discern stay strong and be a bulwark against this rising tide. I love my parish, but if we ever start with the heresies (God willing we won’t), I’ll need to make a decision. We have ROCOR, Antiochian, Jerusalem and OCA all within driving distance. :)
Yes I found that at some parishes seem to act as if they are threatened by the Monestary. But some do not. I found this out the hard way when I was trying to convert my husband all of the politics were revealed to us it was very eye opening experience and disappointing. Here I am a cradle Orthodox so happy to share my faith with my fiance and faced with this. How do you tell a new convert how great the Orthodox church is when there is this confusion in I would say a good portion of the churches. I wish the message that we need to support both the parish and the Monestary was stronger than it is and more direction from the diocese supporting this message so there is no confusion. Thankfully my husband was able to see past that and happily converted. But then we ended up moving near a Monestary in Arizona and found the life there very difficult to do with children so we quickly realized the value in the parish church. So we really do need both.
Does anyone have info/connections on English speaking Monasteries for Women ... that accept visitors for a longer time than just a day or few days. Thank you
Look at Mull monastery in Scotland.
holy transfiguration monastery, elwood city, Pennsylvania
An amazing female monastery I know that is all in English is St Paisius in Arizona.
@@campomamboPersonally haven’t been yet but want to! I have heard only amazing things about this monastery. Unfortunately, my spiritual father has prohibited me from attending any monastery :(
@@campomambo Thank You so much for your reply. I will look into it. God Bless You
What do we think about the monasteries in America that do all their services 100% in Greek? There are still some wonderful monastics there, but the insistence on a non-English language is certainly a bit alienating.
A lot of people want to be monks in the Athonite Greek tradition. So Greek is an essential component of that.
There is a growing number of English speaking monasteries too under the Russians, Serbs and Arabs in the USA
Well, the reality is that the parishes are not composed only from married families, but olso from celibates, voluntarly or involuntarily. So this idea that the Christian life is centered only on these two ways, marriage or monasticism, is itself not very conform with the common day reality. St. Paul, in his 1 Corinthians, chap. 7, spoke about celibacy as living unmarried in the city, not as leaving the city and retreating to a monastery. Also, the words of Jesus about those who make themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of God (Matthew, chap. 19), also don't imply that you must become a monk to preserve your virginity, you can still live as a celibate in the city life. So, living unmarried in the world is as valid and christian as the other two ways. Everyone has his/her gift from God and can bring fruits from it, regardless of his/her state: married, monk or celibate.
Practical question... How celibate one can remain celibate amongst presence of the other gender.? This question includes thoughts one may experience by just looking at the other gender that would effectively brake the celibacy of the one... in other words - celibacy is not just carnal but also spiritual reality.
@@johnnyd2383 Same goes for the marriage and monastery life... With one look or lustfull tought the husband/wife cheats his/her partner and commits adultery. Also the monk, with a sinfull look or thought breaks his/her vow of virginity. What you said about the celibate life, that it is also a spiritual reality, applies for the marriage and monastery life as well. So, starting from your hypothesis, we get to the conclusion that every person (married, monk or celibate) broke or will break his/her vow at one moment, because of only one single look or thought that has appeared or will appear in the future, so neither of these vows (marriage, monkhood or celibacy) should be taken, because it will inevitably be broken at some point.
@@davidcarpen3888 You are taking it to the extremes. That is not reality. Monks are most targeted by the evil spirits and thus because of the nature of their wows they can not remain in the world and be successful in their battle against them. Celibate person is exposed to the evil spirits just as monks are and expect such ppl to fight them off while in the world is not realistic. Simply look at the scandals with the "celibate" priests within the RCC domain. As for the married ppl, St. Paul is clear: "...it is better to marry than to burn with passion” (1 Cor 7)... indicating that married ppl have a way to put down passions. Monks also have tools to put 'em down. How celibate person can put 'em down.? Real life points to the extremely bad position celibate worldly ppl face (physically and mentally sound ones).
In the word of God, God said be fruitful, and multiply if you don’t have marriage, you don’t have people I wonder where this idea originated from only the Roman Catholics seem to be propagating this nonsense maybe you could do a study historically, and find out where this came from There are some people that do not need to be married but the vast majority I believe do and I believe God said it was good thank you very much for your reflections. I wish you were not so far away all the way across the United States from me I would, and my family would definitely want to be in your parish , pray for us we are very far from any orthodox congregations. Thanks again pray for us we are praying for you to be able voice in the wilderness and I believe you are. God bless you
aesthetic vs ethical life
Fr. Josiah, forgive me... The coffee drinking is contrite and disturbing
Lol, you got that Limp wrist energy going on 😅
@@harvestcrops3983 forgive me
I'm not a coffee drinker and I don't see anything disturbing...
@@Calciu_83 forgive me