When I'm away from my family I'm happy. When I make myself go and be with them I'm depressed. So I decided...no matter what...good it bad...I'm staying away forever!!
Hi we have same problem I distance my family I started to feel good look good and healthy... When I am with the I become tin depressed and broke thank u plz may I know u
Evil truly confuses and overwhelms a person who isn't. There's no way to deal with an evil person other than to walk away. Perfect description of Narcissists.
Theres to much relegion involved to be allowed in schools. The lucifer effect would probobly be a better book for schools seeing how they still study it in yale
I was thinking that too. Why do they major on the minors. This is yet another "tilt" moment in the school system. It's kind of like a huge gas lighting opportunity. I wish I had read this book years ago. Better late than never.
0:02:29: The Man Who Made a Pact With the Devil 0:39:35: The Definition of Evil 0:45:00: The Case of Bobby and His Parents 1:14:15: Evil and Sin 1:29:30: Possession and Group Evil 2:07:14: MyLai: An Examination of Group Evil (The Crimes) 2:13:16: Preface to Group Evil 2:18:27: The Individual Under Stress 2:21:40: Group Dynamics: Dependency and Narcissism 2:26:15: The Specialized Group: Task Force Barker 2:32:52: The Large Specialty Group: The Military 2:35:48: The Largest Group: American Society in 1968 2:42:08: Human Killing 2:46:35: The Dangers of a Psychology of Evil 2:52:14: A Methodology of Love 2:55:55: End of Book 2:56:30: The Case of Hartley and Sarah 3:36:50: The Case of the Voodoo Dream 3:51:54: The Case of the Spider Phobia
Dr. Peck died on September 25 of 2005. I read this book for the first time over 30 years ago, I say the first time because I have read it probably 10+ times over the years. People like Bobby's parents are ruling our world, but it's about to end with God's help and his appointed people. God Bless You, Dr. Peck.
@@coldwhitespring5004 Problem is... any examination of the evil ones will also shed light on our own evil, and it also paints a grim picture of the world we live in. People could spot evil much easier if they would only open their eyes to it... but that's the last thing anyone wants to do (see a couple of the above comments. It makes people too sick, afraid, and hopeless to think about.). Truly evil people know this and they use it to their advantage to control the masses. Bread and circuses... but even that is getting harder to come by. It really seems like those in control at every level now just want a good majority of people to die.
I read this book back in the 1980s. Then again a few years later. I am reading it again after an experience today. M. Scott Peck is one the greatest spiritual psychologists, if not the greatest. He is absolutely brilliant.
feuriger Stern i read this book also, some years back. I was prompted to read it again after a perplexing interaction with my mother..... a person who sided with my physically abusive ex husband. In this exchange with her I was just listening and shaking my head as she is talking about some situation going on with him. I’m like... HOW MANY MOTHERS TAKE THE SIDE OF HER DAUGHTER’S ABUSER??? The abuse happened 7 or so years ago and I still become triggered abt this situation...smfh
Even his insight on exorcism and demon possession is something I have not heard in Christian deliverance ministry which assumes the person opened a door to be demon possessed it is true demons target the most pure souls that is not talked about enough
@@adaliantsiki Demons target the weak and the naive person. Which is mental weakness. They can not possess a strong healthy person. Which is why they are poisoning us from every direction. You can excorsize Demons with taking Pure Turpentine on sugar cubes. Research Turpentine on Brighteon!
Alexis Verpakovskis If you have not done what he DID and completely obliterated ANY will to follow the ego, and purifed completely and brought UP to consciousness by watching its tricks in your mind, you ARE a person of the Lie. No one KNOWS they are. Its about not be fully awake and aware of everything that is TRUELLY GOING ON, AND BEING GOOD AND HONEST AND TRUE. He was a voice in the wilderness as the mass retreated into the unconscious
Knoeien met strooi Mr.strooi, M.Scott Peck Absolutely exposed psychological abuse in families that put SOCIAL standing and there image above the well being of the children at the expenses of the very health and peace of the souls of thier children.. To force a child down a life path for the express purpose of what "others think" is an absolute evil... to Deny that is to agree with the case of the soon who was artistically inclined and sensitive much to the horror of his parents thoughts of how he would be seen in there egotistical social circle.. so what's the solution?? they sent him to a military academy where he hung himself and in the eyes of thier friends they were the victims ... suffering from an ungrateful child with every advantage that repaid them with selfish ambition, unruliness and finally ultimately betrayed all his "stellar upbringing" with the act of suicide"... yet they did everything in Thierry power to show him he was powerless against them and that what he wanted needed l(nurturing, time &l love) was weakness and dissapiontment in Their eyes.... I BELIVE they knew to send them to that military school despite his desperate pleas was no diffrent then then putting the noose around his neck themselves.. tbe LONG SUFFERING PARENTS WITH A CHILD THEY JUST COULDN'T HELP.... PFFFFFFF. THEIR EGOS AND COLDNESS TOWARD THEIR OWN CHILD IS MOST CERTAINLY EVIL... THIS MAN DORS SPEAK TRUTH AND TO REFFER TO HIM AS A KOOK?OR WHAT EVER WEIRD YOU USED TO DISCREDIT A BRILLIANT PSYCHIATRIST, AUTHOR AND THEOLOGIAN ,IS MORE A REFLECTION OF YOUR CHARACTER THAN HIS... I pray sincerely that GOD touches your heart with the love and compassion and intelligence by 1/2 of what Dr.peck possessed .... may you one day be free from ego and open to the truth of every day evils that contaminate our lives RELATIONSHIPS and the treatment of our fellow human beings.... That's the only real defense against allowing out souls to be contaminated by such evil... God bless and guide you to a better understanding of what true evil is and how it will shape your life WHEN you deny its existence... and remember the greatest deciet the devil ever put into consciousness was that.... HE DOESN'T EXIST!!!!
I had someone respond to a comment I made about my narcissistic parents on youtube. They told me to read this book. I had two brothers die in an accident in 1998. My surviving brother went through severe depression. My parents blamed him for my brothers death. I always knew something wasn't right with my parents. This book sheds light on just how evil my parents were. I see they were driving him to suicide.
I'm so sorry. I knew that narcissist parents like to pick a child and try and drive them to suicide. Until I read your comment it did not hit me that this was just another method of murder. I am so sorry your parents tried to murder your brother. It sounds like they were unsuccessful. I hope you and he have helped yourselves heal and that you are very far from your murderous parents.
It exposes their weakness. They're terrified of the truth because they in some realm signed a soul contract with the devil and the devil uses them like pawns and they don't even know it. God separates us in the end. They were on their final chance to redeem themselves. Some of us are volunteers to help them ascend but that's between them and God. It's unfortunate isn't it?
A manual of human evil. A guide for light, something good people really needed. I read this book when I was a teenager. I truly admired this great man. A Doctor and also a man of God. May his soul rest in peace. He really earned it.
Unfortunately, good people are naive to the fact that evil people do exist in our world, unless, sadly, they have been victimized by true evil. But, thanks to this superbly written book, many good people can be forewarned and able to open their eyes to the the absolute reality of the existence of evil people. "People of The Lie" is truly an exceptional book of value, as it is so informative for every reader, describing the topic of evil people.
The point of bringing attention to this subject is to make us aware that evil is not an either/or condition. People are good and/or evil to varying degrees and without being aware of what evil IS, . It's easy for people who presume themselves to be good. fo ignore their character defects which cause trouble for themselves and others. Becoming "good"is an inside job and it's an ongoing work in progress. Human nature doesn't change and it's pretty common for people to seek to escape awareness of our own 'character defects" In exchange for others helping us to ignore them too. It is this unearned self designation of goodness that makes it easy for those who embrace evil to have a field day with everything we believe we care about.
Do evil people know they are evil? I am no longer afraid to die. I ABSOLUTELY know there is something else beyond this world. Try and appreciate all the goodness in your life. Thank God and be appreciative. Ask for forgiveness for the sins you have committed. We are all sinners. Jesus will forgive. The light and love will be a beacon. Quite a ride.
I am married to a Narcissist. After 38 years of marriage, I said NO more, to the abuse and Narcissism. So she divorced me. I now see it is a blessing. This validated what I initially felt. How can one love and hate: yearn and reject at the same time? Truly only something evil. I pray for her enlightenment and softening of her heart to change her evil ways. This was an excellent book, written by enlightened man on the true source of evil. After all, the father of lies is satan. May Dr. Peck’s memory be eternal” Amen😔
I wish I had read this book while I was with my ex husband. He ruined me. Truly evil but I didn’t see it. I was confused in the relationship. I couldn’t understand why I was repulsed by him yet I loved him so much. I believed he was also giving me poison to get rid of me while letting me and everyone else around me believe that he loved me more than life. When his mask fell off, I was shocked and still have not been able to get over his treacherous behavior and his discard of me as if I never existed as his wife after years. I have been feeling depression for so long now after the involvement with that man. I hope to gain some insight from this book and hopefully find some acceptance and peace. Thank you so much to whoever posted this audiobook on RUclips. 🙏🌸
The love was all fake. Even mine, unfortunately, (although my love for my son remains in tact). Because that's what being brain-washed does to us in these narcissistic marriages.
That love isnt its trauma bonding. He is a narcisist, they are everywhere. Loving one is torture, soul crushing. They leave you an empty shell and with loss of identity, you dont know who you are. I believe these types are demon possesed thats hopeful I really think they arent humans, they are Seeds of Cain. I wish you well and feel your pain. May God have mercy on you.
I remember finding this treasure on the used book rack 10 years ago at Goodwill. I started reading and found it impossible to put down. Super amazing! Super enlightening! Reading this book not only taught me so much about the people and world around me, but also taught me much about myself. This book will force you to self examine.
Yes, it can be VERY amazing what types of literature can be found on the shelves of second-hand stores like "Goodwill", "Salvation Army", etc....Garage and "rummage" sales too.😶
There are so many family members mothers and sisters that have a very insidious personality that you really can’t see it, because you grow up with these people and you never examine or think too much about what they’re doing .. it’s like a vail over your mind …but when you can eventually realize it’s like a jolt to your being an unbelievable state of mind and very hard to except your very own family can be like this …whatever my mother do I will always think or do differently to her cause I know full well the way they think .
This is why I say that, short of a head injury or disease, bad parenting is the number one cause of people's psychological issues. So many people only look at the facade that presumably good parents put on. But there is so much more damage that can be done that is not apparent to the outsider.
I've not even listened yet. I tend to agree with you 100% about parenting. It certainly is a fundamental factor. But then, there will always be the nature nurture argument. I'm so thankful it's not something I'll ever need to make a call on.
I have to disagree. My parents both did everything possible for me. They weren't rich but money was never an issue. Nothing helped. It's because of me that I never had children.My karma guaranteed me an early ulcer, with probable early death. Good parents should not be blamed.
@@tomlarson5486 Interesting analogy. But how did developing an ulcer result from you having overly giving parents? Did they supply the means for you to obtain substances that would cause your ulcer, or was your ulcer stress induced? Did you mean that your behavior was the cause of you not having children?
@@SomeBuddy777 hi Buddy, I never developed an ulcer because I never had children, or even got married. My parents had no effect on my behavior, trying as they did. Authority in general had no bearing on my decision making either. I did whatever I felt like, with no thought on consequences. I've never harmed any living thing. I have however driven my Mother nuts. Luckily I did learn a great trade ( piano technician ). And with time I slowed way down on the poor decisions. Been perfect for the last 30 years. Life is a classroom. I try and keep an open mind on all things, while preparing my brain to discover new things daily. I can never make up for all of my evil beginnings, but I try and do the best I can, helping anyone I can.
The narrator/reader is simply awesome! So clear, articulate, very listenable. I'm convinced that a good accent/voice is critical for conveying any message.
Truth Beautiful because I have the cassette tapes. Says read by the author. Check out the youtube vid of M. Scott Peck being interviewed about this book. It's Scott Peck.
It's been a while since I stumbled across this, listened to road less traveled 2 or 3 times and abounding grace+ this 3 or 4 times+ various other interviews/material..... Conclusion: This guy is among the top 5 smartest people whose existence I've ever been aware of.
I read this book back in the 80s and it's still just as fascinating today as it was back then. That story of Bobby and his parents still makes my blood run cold.
I never even WENT to college, but when I think of the word "sorority", the image of a "Girl Scout" is NOT the first thing that comes to MY mind. (But to be FAIR, the words "fraternity member" hardly conjures anything more noble either--except maybe the "Tri Lambdas" from "Revenge Of The Nerds"??🙄)
This comment is in reply to your comment a year ago. You said, run from evil people. You can't change them. While I agree 100% with those words, it is not always that easy to run away. Especially if it is a parent and she has fooled most of the family! The lies and manipulation not to mention the gaslighting is unbelievable (except for ones who have experienced it)!! I have gone back and forth so many times. The family dynamic is usually screwed up. My sister was recently murdered and she KNEW what our mother was. The rest are flying monkeys and don't deal with it. Very sad the evil a narc. demonstrates............God can and will help the ones who ask Him.
Vernon Howard said in one of his talks "YOU started the last World War!!!!". I had NO idea what he meant. After listening deeply to this 3 part book, I think I understand now. For me personally, This is the most important book I have ever read. I understand the Christian Bible better now. My prayer is this: Lord God, help us all.
Dave Crabtree we all in our own unique ways have some form of evil in us! The potential for evil is real in all, true strength is in realizing ur not some special snowflake and taking that threat seriously!
"...it is both impossible and itself evil to totally refrain from making moral judgements... ...there is such a thing as an excess of sympathy, an excess of tolerance, and excess of permissiveness. The fact of the matter is, we cannot live decent lives without making judgements in general and moral judgements in particular." 2:48:00
I am an impeccable student of ACIM. We learn to avoid judgment and apply forgiveness 24/7. I use the word discernment. Or discrimination. Conclusion. Yet I still have to see the difference between good and evil. The right mindset, and the wrong, egoic mindset...
Profound indepth understanding and description of the existence of evil inside average people. Instinct tells us before we gain proof of malignant narcissism 1:11:34 describes how healthy people feel confused and aversion or revulsion in the presence of these beings.
I have really enjoyed reading all of M.Scott Peck's books. They are priceless and this one is no exception. And to have him reading them to us is even more priceless.
I grew up in a tricky family, and I've dealt with some serious anxiety and depression throughout most of my adult life. I've always been an Atheist (for the most part) as well. After some dealings with a nut-case narc girlfriend I started to feel like I was seeing evil everywhere.... EVERYWHERE @@... I thought I was losing my mind. This book has helped me to realize that I wasn't losing my mind. Damn.
I feel yu. Same thing happened me . Better late than never. . . Time to shine.. to detox from negativity.. and a b c of what they done to yu. . Stick to yur kin.. thats why they pretended to be the same kind as yu to sabatoge yu covertly.. or worse.. convert yu.
30 years ago chronic alcoholism left me 6 months to live. From the opening sentence of The Road Less Traveled, cloud lifted and mist cleared. ‘I can see clearly now the rain is gone. I can see all this obstacles in my way. Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind …’. Life made sense. Amazing Grace.
THANK YOU! I was just challenging someone on this point. I told them that they should also listen to Dr. M. Scott Peck's lecture, "Togetherness and Separateness in Marriage and the Family". I loved Dr. Peck's body of work, and that is my fave lecture of all his recorded books and lectures. Some of the people in these comments are making pronouncements that others people are demon-possessed, even saying that other Christians are demon-possessed (b/c they disagree with them about dogma or the interpretation of scripture. This is extremely dangerous. It was this kind of zealotry that led religious people just like themselves to burn people at the stake, not just for being witches, but for different baptismal practices, for believing that the Earth was not the center of the universe, or even for translating the Bible into English.
You are DEAD RIGHT. If you are seeing the evil in others, it's hugely significant that you ruthlessly self-search YOURSELF. THEN, when you identify,repent of and do your amends and with the Help of God, begin to stop choosing to go to that evil place again and make decisions based on Light and Love.
I think that Peck;s warning at the beginning is well warrented. And quoting the quote But for the grace of God goeth I is spot on. We all must approach this info with all humility and inward inspection of our own motivations. As I listened to the conversation between the Dr and Bobblie's parents I reckonized early on that the parent's were incredibly narcissists individuals. My husband suffered his whole adult life with schizo-affective disorder with features and narcissisms. This is not the first time I have heard it said that children can be damaged at very early ages while growing up. My husband 's dad was schizophrenic w catatonia. I only knew his dad in his later life and I can't help but wonder what all happened to my husband in his young years. What horror's did my husband experience. My husband has passed on but there are still times that all these questions come to my mind. Indeed I have more questions than answers and the key people involved have all passed on now. As a wife I must admit that dealing w the mental illnesses and narcicism was long and incredibly painful. The biggest question that still remains for me is How much of all what happened mental illness and how much was possession or oppression?
Yes "AWARENESS" is a key..... Makes me think of a "One hit wonder" song that came out in the late 1980's that I used to DESPISE hearing it as often as I did on the radio: "What I AM" (I believe is the title to the song, sung/performed by a gal named Edie Brickell and her "New Bohemian" bandmates where she starts off singing ("Bragging"??) that she is: "🎶....NOT AWARE of too many things...."🎶 (But, fortunately for HER, she "DOES know WHAT she knows.... IF...." ((You or I)).... "Knows what she means"....??🙄) Like I said, I HATED that song back then, but believe it or not, HAVE come to respect it a little more all these years later. I mention all this because to me, such a song EPITOMIZES an ATTITUDE that probably has ALWAYS prevailed, that sums up THIS vulgar sounding mindset: "I don't give a f_ck or a rat's ass" Which is certainly one's prerogative NOT to do....Actually give a f_ck or a "rat's ass". And I suppose actually "giving a f_ck or "rat's ass" CAN BE quite OVERWHELMING--especially considering how ONESELF has "F_CKED UP" (to utilize yet another vulgar "euphemism")....Resulting as "George" in the first account of this ^^^book, refers to as "The guilties".....Or r even just not letting ANYONE or ANYTHING "rain on one's parade"... In other words: "Dont BUM me OUT man!"🙄 Still, as SSGT "Barnes" said to "Gardner" in the movie "Platoon" MAYBE some of us should do a better job at: "SHUTTING UP AND TAKING THE PAIN!!"....???** ** Must be a fan of and/or familiar with Oliver Stone's movie "Platoon" to REALLY "dig" or "appreciate" what I've said here.😶
The whole, "Satan, exorcism, posession" thing isn't my style, but the way this guy uses them to explain things is amazing. Some revelations in here that I never got from the other couple thousand hours of psychological research.
Yeah that part is clearly bullshit. Maybe a product of the time though since even today DID is extremely poorly understood (to the point it may even be dropped from DSM since the traditional view of it is most likely wrong) and the links between it and BPD are still not very well researched or understood. What he came across there was most likely Dissociative Secondary Psychopathic BPD. I've had a shocking experience with 2 of these people as separate housemates over the years, and I can understand why people think they're literally suddenly possessed by demons. When they Dissociate, it was like the room dropped 10 degrees, and the air vibrated with evil. Genuinely some of the most terrifying experiences of my life, it's as he says, you become overwhelmed with a feeling of terror and disgust. The eyes still fucking send chills up my spine when I think about it. Friend who was very high up in defence, who had been involved in some horrific shit explained his experience with actual psychopaths as "It's an aura of pure evil and it instantly sets off your flight or fight response" and he was not wrong.
Hostage to the Devil by Malachi Martin. Talks about exorcism. Peck brings it up as his source of demonic possession. Both of these books are equally powerful
You say to please purchase the book to support the author. The author died in 2005. Any purchases will benefit the publisher, Dr. Peck's estate, and Amazon or whatever retailer from which one purchases the audiobook and/or book. In all cases, I encourage people to first purchase books & audiobooks from their local bookstores. This keeps money in your own community & supports smaller businesses. If you insist on buying online rather than through a local bookstore, unless you want Amazon to eventually have a monopoly on every product one can purchase, please consider buying from alternative online stores, like Powell's Books.
Awesome stories!........ And the salvation in the last one breath taking!..... God bless Scott Peck in heaven... We lack of these kind of persons in nowadays...
Eleni Kara : Perhaps Peck failed to make this point clearly enough for you, or you couldn't see through his religious imagery. People aren't good or bad, they are merely prone to certain choices.
I am an impeccable student of ACIM. We learn to avoid judgment and apply forgiveness 24/7. I use the word discernment. Or discrimination. Conclusion. Yet I still have to see the difference between good and evil. The right mindset, and the wrong, egoic mindset. This book is a great help for discernment.
My ears pricked up when he albeit briefly negatively mentioned ACIM. I’d like to join ACIM group if you know of any...I read the book but haven’t done the practise. Would like to try
the message of this book is good and true even if you reject the religious angle. however, i now believe in evil based on personal experiences as well... so i no longer discount the spiritual dimension of this type of mental illness
Katrina Baby, I too came to realize there must be good (God) because I saw pure evil in the eyes of a Director of Nurses at my dad's nursing home. I woke up, and sought out the truth, the light, and found God.
Didn't know those beings existed before march '20, dealt with a covert narcissist, but never with a malignant narcissist, only knew about sociopaths/psychopaths See also similarities with narcissists & demonic possession, the spirit of Jezebel I don't read much but this audio book is a fascinating subject
Wowww billies mother. Emotional immature. Crazy how we can resonate to some of these stories, even if the slightest ways. If you’re seeing this! You may resonate with the book “adult children of emotionally immature parents”! Wow this was a great read and I’m happy I was guided to it!
"It probably makes more sense to assume this is a naturally evil world that has somehow been mysteriously contaminated by goodness, rather than the other way around." 38:30
No, humans are born sinless, pure and innocent and full of potential flr both good and evil. Which path they choose is determined by themselves through FREE WILL.
@@kevinseraphimday6373 Jesus was made righteous during his baptism and made good during his resurrection. He was born to his mother, which was a sinful woman, although she found favor in the eyes of the Lord. Jesus was born a man and not born good. There is only one good, that is, God in Heaven. His words. And the Son is in Heaven now.
Been a long time since I've read Peck. He gets more pertinent every day. At the time, Bobby's parents were shocking. Now they just seem all too common. The rule rather than the exception...
I remember years ago I read about a man who had been put in the hospital repeatedlly by his very abusive wife, but he would not implement her so she was not arrested. People had openned their homes to him repeatedly but in the end he always went back to his abusive wife and in the end she murdered him. I remembered this book and realized the demon in her had told the man so many lies that he believed he was unable to save himself even when those around him were trying to save him
I find myself asking God, in Jesus name, to bless us all with Dr. Peck's intellect and Divine wisdom that we may conscientiously acknowledge and pray through our own evil - that way to cleave to the truth and give not shelter to lies or their cruel father; yet having pity enough on ourselves as well as others to offer what we are cautiously able to those bound in terrible chains.
After I started working at the place I work at now, I realized the contents of this book are real and alive. Some people are here in this world to spread evil - the women I worked with ( thankfully not with them anymore) are the real proof of that.
There needs to be an online course offered in this. This is invaluable work, and I praise this knowledge and understanding of what is truly wrong with our decaying societies today. This problem is not going away, as it has historically consumed entire nations (such as US). Many blessings
@@SamStone1964 Yes, I'm most familiar with Dr. Ramani's research. I had to listen to this whole book after my dad was murdered through his Elks Lodge membership in 2012. He was autistic, too. It's unbelievable how evil the other side of the fence really is, when we stop and consider how the other side's life choices seriously affect everyone else's in the family tree. Now my children have no grandparents today. I was glad to find this book because it answered the questions that I had about how this level of evil happened to my mom and dad. It happened because I didn't really know either one of them. They were part of a swinging lifestyle during the 70s, of all things. And my dad was involved with black ops projects through a weekend career in the USN. I know that was a fairly popular lifestyle choice back then, but that choice ultimately killed my dad.
In case you didn't see it in previous comments, the chapters in this recording are out of order. Chapter 2 starts at 2:56:00 Chapter 3 starts near 1:29:00
Wise observation. I struggle that we accept any excuse given as to why this info is not a mandatory read and discuss at the Je High or High school level. Knowledge is truly the only defense we can use to protect ourselves from these interspecies predictors. Ii was 4:08:27 in my mid 50s before I learned that there are 2 types of humans . And that some human beings are incapable of being human. The red flags were not red because I had no knowledge.
This amazing book, and the incredible true stories within, made me look differently at my relationship with my parents. Now I am reassured, they are a simbiotic, self-destructive couple. And for a fist time I don't feel guilty for not feeling anything but pity for them.
callynt I think they were in denial of what happened. They were just continuing to live in ignorance and weren't the most attentive parents. They feared being responsible for their sons suicide and didnt want to be implicated in it. This is typical behaviour. This can foster a bad envuronment and create the elements for evil. You can say they are evil becausr in a way they are but maybe not quite evil incarnate. Refusal of being responsible for their lives. If thats true then they couldn't be important to anyone. Its the absolvement of all influence. Not a good place to live.
The "rise"??? Perhaps. Though, as I think about things a little more carefully or "connect more dots" (of the PAST and PRESENT), I realize that "assholishness"** is nothing new. ** I utilize the term "assholishness" instead of "narcissism" because to ME at least, such a word is far more appropriate DESPITE it's vulgarity. (Though Dr. Peck does distinguish between "narcissism" and "MALIGNANT narcissism" in this reading.) I personally am not altogether comfortable with the term(s) "narcissist" and "narcissism", mainly due to the fact that I detect a level of narcissism in damn near EVERYONE I meet, or even it being a simple case of: "It TAKES one to KNOW one"??? But even being called an "asshole" is not the worst. No, to ME, utilizing the word "demon" is much worse. Unfortunately the "narcissist" ("Asshole"??🙄) in me is going to be very upset that the rest of the English-speaking world is NOT going to change THEIR vocabulary, or even have the same attitudes about it or certain words as myself.)
@@JebidiahStillkrackingagain fair enough, but takes more than just an A hole to steal all your money, destroy your health and family and so on. Maybe the word narcissist is over used today, and albeit we can all be an A hole at times, but when your feed on destroying those around you to feel full and satisfied, your on a different level of just an occasional A hole. The thing about the whole experience, is that one Must personally experience this in order to understand it. Cheers 🥂 😊
aWW, How sick people are.I've experianced it in m life, by looking at my mom treating my dad in a similar way, when he had to b depandant.. ect.... I still deal with problems left by my childhood traumas.
You need to forgive first and not relive it every day by going back to it. It's done. Focus on the present moment instead, just learn the lessons that it teach.
@@blesildaechaluce5978 Yes you are right. And it takes a lot of perseverance to become that person that can forgive despite the pain the matter carries. Thank you.
Do not listen to the other comment....it victimized you all over again! You will never forget it! Look at Sam Vaknin, The little Shaman, Dr. Lee Carter. I hope you heal! 🌷🙏❤️🩹
If you only read one book on narcs, THIS one is unsurpassed to this day and helped more than the four years I spent on the "couch" of a therapist whose own narcissism made her REFUSE to even LOOK inside when I handed her this book. But it gets better and you might be tempted to accuse me of making this up, but I swear it's true. When reading about "Bobby's parents" I imagined MY parents in that same place and Dr. Peck dressed like a judge and bringing down the gavel with a dialogue balloon coming out of his mouth that says EVIL! Back to my therapist that day, who after handing the book back to me said; "he's local you know. I'm like, huh? She proceeds to tell me that he works at New Milford Hospital (my home at that time...the town NOT the hospital lol) and is the Head of it's Mental Health clinic where narcmom works as executive secretary! I simply could not believe the synchronicity. What are the odds? And YES she was quite well acquainted with him. Her comment when I first asked if she knew him? "I do" quickly followed by "I never liked the man." Now there's a shocker. More than merely acquainted with him, it seems she decided that she and her new hubby (who was a better man than my father) "needed counseling", and like the narc she was, elected to have Dr. Peck do the counseling lol! What I would give to have been a fly on THAT wall. They only had a few sessions, and mom no doubt imagined she'd be in "control" of the session" as if she had some "user interface" and she'd "win" (cos a "game" is all it was to her whose reward would be "power of some sort". I think it's safe to assume that it was at these sessions, when she found that the good doctor was NOT her "playing piece" in some "Monopoly" game, that she decided she "never liked the man" lol. Unfortunately, by that time, he was only doing lecture tours and writing, and was "no longer seeing patients" when I made a beeline to the first phone I saw after My therapist told me he was local. No narc specialists in 1984 when I began with my therapist whose bias for "her own methods" ranks as glaringly inappropriate for a "healer" who prioritized "her own methods" over my healing and would have lost a patient had today been "day one" of therapy rather than some day in 1984. Far better use of the four years could have been made with a specialist. She's retired now and I wonder if in hindsight, she realizes how big a boat her PRIDE caused her to miss? She already had the training and the Bachelors and she had the opportunity to become a specialist without any extra schooling other than reading the goddam book that I handed to her like the "x-ray" that it most certainly was. I hope she feels an appropriate amount of shame for her priorities in the matter of MY healing. I'd tell her myself but she's retired and living in Florida now and she may not even remember me and lastly no contact info.
Great book! Right now, I’m on the 1st 1/4 of this book but feel triggered. It’s hitting home, and I feel hatred & rage toward abusers. I feel for anyone who suffered entrapment under religious fanatics. I grieve for that kitten that was murdered by his father; Karma caught up to him. What if there were evil spirits still around from George’s childhood, starting with his abusive and violent grandfather.
"Let us turn now to the parents the true source of the problem. Appropriately they should have been formerly identified as the sick ones. They should have been the ones to receive treatment yet they did not. Why not." If a therapist doesn't tell evil parents that they need serious help then he or she is a coward and not a professional and is an unworthy failed gatekeeper who is allowing evil to flourish and thrive.
He knows that they would not have received it (because of their blindness to their own faults). Waste of breath and effort. He talks about this in the next paragraphs. "Don't cast pearls before swine."
Beautiful post. Freedom to live as you wish, to love whom you love and to work in a meaningful way to oneself. I wish all of this to you and to everyone. One love ☮️
When I'm away from my family I'm happy. When I make myself go and be with them I'm depressed. So I decided...no matter what...good it bad...I'm staying away forever!!
I will pray for your deliverance ,Please Ask Jesus to give you the Holy Spirit
Hi we have same problem I distance my family I started to feel good look good and healthy... When I am with the I become tin depressed and broke thank u plz may I know u
Me too
Evil truly confuses and overwhelms a person who isn't. There's no way to deal with an evil person other than to walk away. Perfect description of Narcissists.
yessir !
They can easily crush a non evil person.
Hey I just did that yesterday
@@davidpiedra7708 may God continue to strengthen and guide you through your journey of healing. I applaud your decision! 👏
Susan Victor Yea its really easy once done but evil people are always the “nicest” on the surface. Thank the lord for giving me discernment!
These kinds of books should be required reading in high schools and colleges.
Theres to much relegion involved to be allowed in schools. The lucifer effect would probobly be a better book for schools seeing how they still study it in yale
No because then whites would have to admit to it atrocities against the African Americans and Indians
@@ferraripure9970 what about forgiveness?
@@peekeyeseek I forgive them but do they forgive themselves?
I was thinking that too. Why do they major on the minors. This is yet another "tilt" moment in the school system. It's kind of like a huge gas lighting opportunity. I wish I had read this book years ago. Better late than never.
0:02:29: The Man Who Made a Pact With the Devil
0:39:35: The Definition of Evil
0:45:00: The Case of Bobby and His Parents
1:14:15: Evil and Sin
1:29:30: Possession and Group Evil
2:07:14: MyLai: An Examination of Group Evil (The Crimes)
2:13:16: Preface to Group Evil
2:18:27: The Individual Under Stress
2:21:40: Group Dynamics: Dependency and Narcissism
2:26:15: The Specialized Group: Task Force Barker
2:32:52: The Large Specialty Group: The Military
2:35:48: The Largest Group: American Society in 1968
2:42:08: Human Killing
2:46:35: The Dangers of a Psychology of Evil
2:52:14: A Methodology of Love
2:55:55: End of Book
2:56:30: The Case of Hartley and Sarah
3:36:50: The Case of the Voodoo Dream
3:51:54: The Case of the Spider Phobia
Appreciate ya!!!🙏🏾
Thanks a lot for that
Thanku Sir
God bless you 🙏 Thank you!❤
Thanks for that!!
Dr. Peck died on September 25 of 2005.
I read this book for the first time over 30 years ago, I say the first time because I have read it probably 10+ times over the years.
People like Bobby's parents are ruling our world, but it's about to end with God's help and his appointed people.
God Bless You, Dr. Peck.
Bobby's parents are absolutely scary. Evil to the core.
Unfortunately, although it is needed initially, I'm finding that talking about this chit too much is making me sick, pun intended.
Yeah, ruling our world literally. Hopefully more attention around how these people function will makes us spot them easier.
Thank u for info about his death gbless you
This is a must book for our times it's so fc crazy dark 😜 gbe with
@@coldwhitespring5004 Problem is... any examination of the evil ones will also shed light on our own evil, and it also paints a grim picture of the world we live in. People could spot evil much easier if they would only open their eyes to it... but that's the last thing anyone wants to do (see a couple of the above comments. It makes people too sick, afraid, and hopeless to think about.). Truly evil people know this and they use it to their advantage to control the masses. Bread and circuses... but even that is getting harder to come by. It really seems like those in control at every level now just want a good majority of people to die.
I read this book back in the 1980s. Then again a few years later. I am reading it again after an experience today. M. Scott Peck is one the greatest spiritual psychologists, if not the greatest. He is absolutely brilliant.
feuriger Stern i read this book also, some years back. I was prompted to read it again after a perplexing interaction with my mother..... a person who sided with my physically abusive ex husband. In this exchange with her I was just listening and shaking my head as she is talking about some situation going on with him. I’m like... HOW MANY MOTHERS TAKE THE SIDE OF HER DAUGHTER’S ABUSER??? The abuse happened 7 or so years ago and I still become triggered abt this situation...smfh
Especially relevant now.
@@lolapatton5444. I would have left the two of them together and took of. They deserved one another. Hope you are happy now. 🌹
Even his insight on exorcism and demon possession is something I have not heard in Christian deliverance ministry which assumes the person opened a door to be demon possessed it is true demons target the most pure souls that is not talked about enough
@@adaliantsiki Demons target the weak and the naive person. Which is mental weakness.
They can not possess a strong healthy person.
Which is why they are poisoning us from every direction.
You can excorsize Demons with taking Pure Turpentine on sugar cubes.
Research Turpentine on Brighteon!
Quite possibly the best book I've ever touched: it's groundbreaking! Finally - someone with the GUTS to tell the TRUTH.
M Scott Peck - I salute you.
Alexis Verpakovskis SAYS THE GUY HIDDEN BEHIND A MASK
Alexis Verpakovskis If you have not done what he DID and completely obliterated ANY will to follow the ego, and purifed completely and brought UP to consciousness by watching its tricks in your mind, you ARE a person of the Lie. No one KNOWS they are. Its about not be fully awake and aware of everything that is TRUELLY GOING ON, AND BEING GOOD AND HONEST AND TRUE. He was a voice in the wilderness as the mass retreated into the unconscious
In the age of deception telling the truth is revolutionary.
+Roberta Smith:
pardon?! x
Knoeien met strooi
Mr.strooi,
M.Scott Peck Absolutely exposed psychological abuse in families that put SOCIAL standing and there image above the well being of the children at the expenses of the very health and peace of the souls of thier children..
To force a child down a life path for the express purpose of what "others think" is an absolute evil...
to Deny that is to agree with the case of the soon who was artistically inclined and sensitive much to the horror of his parents thoughts of how he would be seen in there egotistical social circle..
so what's the solution??
they sent him to a military academy where he hung himself and in the eyes of thier friends they were the victims ... suffering from an ungrateful child with every advantage that repaid them with selfish ambition, unruliness and finally ultimately betrayed all his "stellar upbringing" with the act of suicide"...
yet they did everything in Thierry power to show him he was powerless against them and that what he wanted needed l(nurturing, time &l love) was weakness and dissapiontment in Their eyes....
I BELIVE they knew to send them to that military school despite his desperate pleas
was no diffrent then then putting the noose around his neck themselves..
tbe LONG SUFFERING PARENTS WITH A CHILD THEY JUST COULDN'T HELP....
PFFFFFFF.
THEIR EGOS AND COLDNESS
TOWARD THEIR OWN CHILD
IS MOST CERTAINLY EVIL...
THIS MAN DORS SPEAK TRUTH AND TO REFFER TO HIM AS A KOOK?OR WHAT EVER WEIRD YOU USED TO DISCREDIT A BRILLIANT PSYCHIATRIST, AUTHOR AND THEOLOGIAN ,IS MORE A REFLECTION OF YOUR CHARACTER THAN HIS...
I pray sincerely that GOD touches your heart with the love and compassion and intelligence by 1/2 of what Dr.peck possessed ....
may you one day be free from ego and open to the truth of every day evils that contaminate our lives RELATIONSHIPS and the treatment of our fellow human beings....
That's the only real defense against allowing out souls to be contaminated by such evil...
God bless and guide you to a better understanding of what true evil is and how it will shape your life WHEN you deny its existence...
and remember the greatest deciet the devil ever put into consciousness was that....
HE DOESN'T EXIST!!!!
I had someone respond to a comment I made about my narcissistic parents on youtube. They told me to read this book. I had two brothers die in an accident in 1998. My surviving brother went through severe depression. My parents blamed him for my brothers death. I always knew something wasn't right with my parents. This book sheds light on just how evil my parents were. I see they were driving him to suicide.
I'm so sorry. I knew that narcissist parents like to pick a child and try and drive them to suicide. Until I read your comment it did not hit me that this was just another method of murder. I am so sorry your parents tried to murder your brother. It sounds like they were unsuccessful. I hope you and he have helped yourselves heal and that you are very far from your murderous parents.
dr. Sam Vaknin is a great resource
Try reading Alexander Lowen Narcissism
It exposes their weakness. They're terrified of the truth because they in some realm signed a soul contract with the devil and the devil uses them like pawns and they don't even know it. God separates us in the end. They were on their final chance to redeem themselves. Some of us are volunteers to help them ascend but that's between them and God. It's unfortunate isn't it?
@@ammitthedevourerofsouls" seperating the wheat/ fruitfull from the tares/ torns/weeds.
A manual of human evil. A guide for light, something good people really needed. I read this book when I was a teenager. I truly admired this great man. A Doctor and also a man of God. May his soul rest in peace. He really earned it.
Unfortunately, good people are naive to the fact that evil people do exist in our world, unless, sadly, they have been victimized by true evil. But, thanks to this superbly written book, many good people can be forewarned and able to open their eyes to the the absolute reality of the existence of evil people. "People of The Lie" is truly an exceptional book of value, as it is so informative for every reader, describing the topic of evil people.
It's not "good" to be naive.
@@bilbobaggins4403rue but a child IS naive so by maturing your can become less naive and more smart!!
Evil* people outnumber "good" by 1 to 1000, 2 to 10k
Guilty-had to expierence evil.. Now reading it. Can’t stand I am so gullible🙄
The point of bringing attention to this subject is to make us aware that evil is not an either/or condition. People are good and/or evil to varying degrees and without being aware of what evil IS, . It's easy for people who presume themselves to be good. fo ignore their character defects which cause trouble for themselves and others. Becoming "good"is an inside job and it's an ongoing work in progress. Human nature doesn't change and it's pretty common for people to seek to escape awareness of our own 'character defects" In exchange for others helping us to ignore them too. It is this unearned self designation of goodness that makes it easy for those who embrace evil to have a field day with everything we believe we care about.
Do evil people know they are evil? I am no longer afraid to die. I ABSOLUTELY know there is something else beyond this world. Try and appreciate all the goodness in your life. Thank God and be appreciative. Ask for forgiveness for the sins you have committed. We are all sinners. Jesus will forgive. The light and love will be a beacon. Quite a ride.
Incredible book. Perfect time in my life to receive this. My dad and stepmom are unsavable but I can save myself. Thank you thank you thank you.
Even narcs can heal
@@timefortee Not according to therapists!
@@shirleykurtz Are you a slave to therapists?
@@timefortee No!
@@timefortee No, they can't.
I am married to a Narcissist. After 38 years of marriage, I said NO more, to the abuse and Narcissism. So she divorced me. I now see it is a blessing. This validated what I initially felt. How can one love and hate: yearn and reject at the same time? Truly only something evil. I pray for her enlightenment and softening of her heart to change her evil ways. This was an excellent book, written by enlightened man on the true source of evil. After all, the father of lies is satan. May Dr. Peck’s memory be eternal” Amen😔
Aren't all western females evil, in 2023?! Well....maybe 1 or 2 in 10,000 are fairly good...
I wish I had read this book while I was with my ex husband. He ruined me. Truly evil but I didn’t see it. I was confused in the relationship. I couldn’t understand why I was repulsed by him yet I loved him so much. I believed he was also giving me poison to get rid of me while letting me and everyone else around me believe that he loved me more than life. When his mask fell off, I was shocked and still have not been able to get over his treacherous behavior and his discard of me as if I never existed as his wife after years. I have been feeling depression for so long now after the involvement with that man. I hope to gain some insight from this book and hopefully find some acceptance and peace. Thank you so much to whoever posted this audiobook on RUclips. 🙏🌸
He could have NPD. This is psychopathy.
Ditto. I would not have lived the life that my narcissistic family of origin had scheduled for me, simply by their own omissions of truth.
The love was all fake. Even mine, unfortunately, (although my love for my son remains in tact). Because that's what being brain-washed does to us in these narcissistic marriages.
That love isnt its trauma bonding. He is a narcisist, they are everywhere. Loving one is torture, soul crushing. They leave you an empty shell and with loss of identity, you dont know who you are. I believe these types are demon possesed thats hopeful I really think they arent humans, they are Seeds of Cain. I wish you well and feel your pain. May God have mercy on you.
As it’s says in the book. Be gentle and loving with yourself. If you can’t than you are continuing the evil in harming your own self.
There is no way to heal human evil. Only to be delivered from it through Christ.
Those I’ve experienced as evil were “Christians “
Unbelevably Wonderful book. Thank you, Dr Peck. You have saved a soul and, quite possibly, a Life.
Dr. Peck passed away many years ago, sadly.
I remember finding this treasure on the used book rack 10 years ago at Goodwill.
I started reading and found it impossible to put down.
Super amazing!
Super enlightening!
Reading this book not only taught me so much about the people and world around me, but also taught me much about myself.
This book will force you to self examine.
You nailed it.
Not narcs. Nothing will force them to do anything!
@@lollypopnarcy7585
I agree! I'm so grateful I found this very helpful book!
Yes, it can be VERY amazing what types of literature can be found on the shelves of second-hand stores like "Goodwill", "Salvation Army", etc....Garage and "rummage" sales too.😶
I will buy this book. Peck's explanation of evil is the best one I ever came across. And I want to understand this better. Thank you Dr. Peck.
Read his other book also....the Road less travelled.
There are so many family members mothers and sisters that have a very insidious personality that you really can’t see it, because you grow up with these people and you never examine or think too much about what they’re doing .. it’s like a vail over your mind …but when you can eventually realize it’s like a jolt to your being an unbelievable state of mind and very hard to except your very own family can be like this …whatever my mother do I will always think or do differently to her cause I know full well the way they think .
that is why you must be born again of the father
@@bretttobin9632❤
This is why I say that, short of a head injury or disease, bad parenting is the number one cause of people's psychological issues. So many people only look at the facade that presumably good parents put on. But there is so much more damage that can be done that is not apparent to the outsider.
I've not even listened yet. I tend to agree with you 100% about parenting. It certainly is a fundamental factor.
But then, there will always be the nature nurture argument.
I'm so thankful it's not something I'll ever need to make a call on.
I have to disagree. My parents both did everything possible for me. They weren't rich but money was never an issue. Nothing helped. It's because of me that I never had children.My karma guaranteed me an early ulcer, with probable early death. Good parents should not be blamed.
@@tomlarson5486 Interesting analogy. But how did developing an ulcer result from you having overly giving parents? Did they supply the means for you to obtain substances that would cause your ulcer, or was your ulcer stress induced? Did you mean that your behavior was the cause of you not having children?
@@SomeBuddy777 hi Buddy, I never developed an ulcer because I never had children, or even got married. My parents had no effect on my behavior, trying as they did. Authority in general had no bearing on my decision making either. I did whatever I felt like, with no thought on consequences. I've never harmed any living thing. I have however driven my Mother nuts. Luckily I did learn a great trade ( piano technician ). And with time I slowed way down on the poor decisions. Been perfect for the last 30 years. Life is a classroom. I try and keep an open mind on all things, while preparing my brain to discover new things daily. I can never make up for all of my evil beginnings, but I try and do the best I can, helping anyone I can.
Very well put. I'd drink to that, if I drank.
The narrator/reader is simply awesome! So clear, articulate, very listenable. I'm convinced that a good accent/voice is critical for conveying any message.
Surafel Aysheshim the reader is M Scott Peck.
+Bilbo Baggins how do you know? 🙏🙇
Truth Beautiful because I have the cassette tapes. Says read by the author. Check out the youtube vid of M. Scott Peck being interviewed about this book. It's Scott Peck.
Truth Beautiful I'm old.
now you may add that you are also convinced what is critical for conveying any message is direct first hand knowledge. Good on you
It's been a while since I stumbled across this, listened to road less traveled 2 or 3 times and abounding grace+ this 3 or 4 times+ various other interviews/material..... Conclusion: This guy is among the top 5 smartest people whose existence I've ever been aware of.
I read this book back in the 80s and it's still just as fascinating today as it was back then. That story of Bobby and his parents still makes my blood run cold.
I'm so happy he got away! Thank God he met this psychiatrist who saw what was happening.
The fact that he also reads this for us in this audio made it feel so much better. Thank you Dr.
His voice really ? Coool
@pija9505 apparently it is
@@mr.makedonija2627 allegedly!! How come it be apparent ! Tut tut ! Yur good at jumping though.
This book talks about everything I experienced when I joined a sorority in college.
I know what you mean.
I never even WENT to college, but when I think of the word "sorority", the image of a "Girl Scout" is NOT the first thing that comes to MY mind. (But to be FAIR, the words "fraternity member" hardly conjures anything more noble either--except maybe the "Tri Lambdas" from "Revenge Of The Nerds"??🙄)
Run away from evil people. You an't change them.
This comment is in reply to your comment a year ago. You said, run from evil people. You can't change them. While I agree 100% with those words, it is not always that easy to run away. Especially if it is a parent and she has fooled most of the family! The lies and manipulation not to mention the gaslighting is unbelievable (except for ones who have experienced it)!! I have gone back and forth so many times. The family dynamic is usually screwed up. My sister was recently murdered and she KNEW what our mother was. The rest are flying monkeys and don't deal with it. Very sad the evil a narc. demonstrates............God can and will help the ones who ask Him.
They want to change you!
Uhh.....Prepare for a MARATHON??
Vernon Howard said in one of his talks "YOU started the last World War!!!!". I had NO idea what he meant. After listening deeply to this 3 part book, I think I understand now. For me personally, This is the most important book I have ever read. I understand the Christian Bible better now.
My prayer is this:
Lord God, help us all.
Dave Crabtree we all in our own unique ways have some form of evil in us! The potential for evil is real in all, true strength is in realizing ur not some special snowflake and taking that threat seriously!
@@ElectricQualia yes we all have sinful nature.
Probably one of the better prayers....That and maybe the Serenity Prayer??
Mine is often:
"God have mercy on ME, and have Mercy on US".😶
"...it is both impossible and itself evil to totally refrain from making moral judgements... ...there is such a thing as an excess of sympathy, an excess of tolerance, and excess of permissiveness. The fact of the matter is, we cannot live decent lives without making judgements in general and moral judgements in particular." 2:48:00
This idea is also expressed quite well in 'Atlas Shrugged' by Ayn Rand. Slandered and ridiculed, imperfect, but not a bad novel. Worth reading.
@@simonestreeter1518 Who is John Galt?
@@shirleykurtz Exactly. And where the heck is he?
I am an impeccable student of ACIM.
We learn to avoid judgment and apply forgiveness 24/7.
I use the word discernment.
Or discrimination.
Conclusion.
Yet I still have to see the difference between good and evil.
The right mindset, and the wrong, egoic mindset...
Profound indepth understanding and description of the existence of evil inside average people. Instinct tells us before we gain proof of malignant narcissism 1:11:34 describes how healthy people feel confused and aversion or revulsion in the presence of these beings.
I have really enjoyed reading all of M.Scott Peck's books. They are priceless and this one is no exception. And to have him reading them to us is even more priceless.
I grew up in a tricky family, and I've dealt with some serious anxiety and depression throughout most of my adult life. I've always been an Atheist (for the most part) as well. After some dealings with a nut-case narc girlfriend I started to feel like I was seeing evil everywhere.... EVERYWHERE @@... I thought I was losing my mind. This book has helped me to realize that I wasn't losing my mind. Damn.
Hope you are coping. My thoughts are with you. Please be strong and take care.
Sven, i hear you. Anxiety and bipolar past 20 years. BUT through my faith it's been easier. Have you ever dared ask God to show himself to you?
The Gospel of John, chapter 11, verses 25, 26.
I feel yu. Same thing happened me . Better late than never. . . Time to shine.. to detox from negativity.. and a b c of what they done to yu. . Stick to yur kin.. thats why they pretended to be the same kind as yu to sabatoge yu covertly.. or worse.. convert yu.
....HOW HAVE I NOT HEARD OF THIS BOOK BEFORE!? AND HOW IS IT NOT EVERYWHERE!? PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THESE THINGS!
David Benes no doubt
@@jenniegust9982 Well, it's here on RUclips ^_^
What name of this book
@@janetchilds8055 are you serious?
Divine timing, brother.
God bless.
30 years ago chronic alcoholism left me 6 months to live. From the opening sentence of The Road Less Traveled, cloud lifted and mist cleared.
‘I can see clearly now the rain is gone.
I can see all this obstacles in my way.
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind …’. Life made sense. Amazing Grace.
Good for you brother....the moment is NOW
Congrats to you😊
The whole giving a weapon to your child for Christmas thing … and not just any weapon…. wow 🤯🤯🤯
Yeah.....That WAS a "little"....."Off putting" wasn't it??🙄
This book really has to be handled with care and really we need to look at how these chapters apply to us and not to others. Awareness is everything.
THANK YOU! I was just challenging someone on this point. I told them that they should also listen to Dr. M. Scott Peck's lecture, "Togetherness and Separateness in Marriage and the Family". I loved Dr. Peck's body of work, and that is my fave lecture of all his recorded books and lectures. Some of the people in these comments are making pronouncements that others people are demon-possessed, even saying that other Christians are demon-possessed (b/c they disagree with them about dogma or the interpretation of scripture. This is extremely dangerous. It was this kind of zealotry that led religious people just like themselves to burn people at the stake, not just for being witches, but for different baptismal practices, for believing that the Earth was not the center of the universe, or even for translating the Bible into English.
You are DEAD RIGHT. If you are seeing the evil in others, it's hugely significant that you ruthlessly self-search YOURSELF. THEN, when you identify,repent of and do your amends and with the Help of God, begin to stop choosing to go to that evil place again and make decisions based on Light and Love.
I think that Peck;s warning at the beginning is well warrented. And quoting the quote But for the grace of God goeth I is spot on. We all must approach this info with all humility and inward inspection of our own motivations. As I listened to the conversation between the Dr and Bobblie's parents I reckonized early on that the parent's were incredibly narcissists individuals. My husband suffered his whole adult life with schizo-affective disorder with features and narcissisms. This is not the first time I have heard it said that children can be damaged at very early ages while growing up. My husband 's dad was schizophrenic w catatonia. I only knew his dad in his later life and I can't help but wonder what all happened to my husband in his young years. What horror's did my husband experience. My husband has passed on but there are still times that all these questions come to my mind. Indeed I have more questions than answers and the key people involved have all passed on now. As a wife I must admit that dealing w the mental illnesses and narcicism was long and incredibly painful. The biggest question that still remains for me is How much of all what happened mental illness and how much was possession or oppression?
Yes "AWARENESS" is a key.....
Makes me think of a "One hit wonder" song that came out in the late 1980's that I used to DESPISE hearing it as often as I did on the radio: "What I AM" (I believe is the title to the song, sung/performed by a gal named Edie Brickell and her "New Bohemian" bandmates where she starts off singing ("Bragging"??) that she is:
"🎶....NOT AWARE of too many things...."🎶
(But, fortunately for HER, she "DOES know WHAT she knows.... IF...." ((You or I)).... "Knows what she means"....??🙄)
Like I said, I HATED that song back then, but believe it or not, HAVE come to respect it a little more all these years later.
I mention all this because to me, such a song EPITOMIZES an ATTITUDE that probably has ALWAYS prevailed, that sums up THIS vulgar sounding mindset:
"I don't give a f_ck or a rat's ass"
Which is certainly one's prerogative NOT to do....Actually give a f_ck or a "rat's ass".
And I suppose actually "giving a f_ck or "rat's ass" CAN BE quite OVERWHELMING--especially considering how ONESELF has "F_CKED UP" (to utilize yet another vulgar "euphemism")....Resulting as "George" in the first account of this ^^^book, refers to as "The guilties".....Or r even just not letting ANYONE or ANYTHING "rain on one's parade"... In other words: "Dont BUM me OUT man!"🙄
Still, as SSGT "Barnes" said to "Gardner" in the movie "Platoon" MAYBE some of us should do a better job at:
"SHUTTING UP AND TAKING THE PAIN!!"....???**
** Must be a fan of and/or familiar with Oliver Stone's movie "Platoon" to REALLY "dig" or "appreciate" what I've said here.😶
The whole, "Satan, exorcism, posession" thing isn't my style, but the way this guy uses them to explain things is amazing. Some revelations in here that I never got from the other couple thousand hours of psychological research.
Yeah that part is clearly bullshit. Maybe a product of the time though since even today DID is extremely poorly understood (to the point it may even be dropped from DSM since the traditional view of it is most likely wrong) and the links between it and BPD are still not very well researched or understood. What he came across there was most likely Dissociative Secondary Psychopathic BPD. I've had a shocking experience with 2 of these people as separate housemates over the years, and I can understand why people think they're literally suddenly possessed by demons. When they Dissociate, it was like the room dropped 10 degrees, and the air vibrated with evil. Genuinely some of the most terrifying experiences of my life, it's as he says, you become overwhelmed with a feeling of terror and disgust. The eyes still fucking send chills up my spine when I think about it. Friend who was very high up in defence, who had been involved in some horrific shit explained his experience with actual psychopaths as "It's an aura of pure evil and it instantly sets off your flight or fight response" and he was not wrong.
The modality of demonic possession I find applicable....whether you're a "believer" or not.
Hostage to the Devil by Malachi Martin. Talks about exorcism. Peck brings it up as his source of demonic possession. Both of these books are equally powerful
You say to please purchase the book to support the author. The author died in 2005. Any purchases will benefit the publisher, Dr. Peck's estate, and Amazon or whatever retailer from which one purchases the audiobook and/or book. In all cases, I encourage people to first purchase books & audiobooks from their local bookstores. This keeps money in your own community & supports smaller businesses. If you insist on buying online rather than through a local bookstore, unless you want Amazon to eventually have a monopoly on every product one can purchase, please consider buying from alternative online stores, like Powell's Books.
Good point.
I will stick to Amazon which provides hundreds of thousands jobs.
Donna Brooks, soul stockholder of Powell's Books, lol.
That would fit the theme of this book.
@@feurigerStern 🤦♀️
@@feurigerStern LOL they kill more jobs than they create.
In these times of the big Show of C-19 - you will understand the net of evil much better with the help of this book.
It’s a virus. Look at history.
one of the best books
"so hard to fight an enemy one can't see"
THIS NEEDS TO BE MADE INTO A MOVIE!!!!
A documentary would be better.
Well, it should be translated in other languages first! 📚
Uhh....I don't know about THAT....A "movie"...."Hollywood" is not exactly "Holy" after all.🙄😶
Awesome stories!........ And the salvation in the last one breath taking!..... God bless Scott Peck in heaven... We lack of these kind of persons in nowadays...
Eleni Kara Good people are out there, it's just difficult to see when you are in the middle of a war with negativity.
Eleni Kara :
Perhaps Peck failed to make this point clearly enough for you, or you couldn't see through his religious imagery.
People aren't good or bad, they are merely prone to certain choices.
Jim Heron no, some people are evil.
@@jimheron4660 wrong. some are totally evil. Read the book again.
Jordan Peterson.
I have come to the conclusion that evil is the absence of 'God". The same as darkness is the absence of light or a vacuum is the absence of air.
We all need God
Similar to what he says.
I am an impeccable student of ACIM.
We learn to avoid judgment and apply forgiveness 24/7.
I use the word discernment.
Or discrimination.
Conclusion.
Yet I still have to see the difference between good and evil.
The right mindset, and the wrong, egoic mindset.
This book is a great help for discernment.
My ears pricked up when he albeit briefly negatively mentioned ACIM. I’d like to join ACIM group if you know of any...I read the book but haven’t done the practise. Would like to try
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Emotionally, spiritually and physically difficult to process, yet a brilliant and a must read / listen. Highly recommended.
Wow! I can’t believe I am just discovering this! Absolutely amazing book! I listened to it as I ran, and before I knew it I was 10 miles deep!
the message of this book is good and true even if you reject the religious angle. however, i now believe in evil based on personal experiences as well... so i no longer discount the spiritual dimension of this type of mental illness
I was a pretty firm atheist before starting to read this book 24 hours ago.
I think that's a relatively sound conclusion!
Katrina Baby, I too came to realize there must be good (God) because I saw pure evil in the eyes of a Director of Nurses at my dad's nursing home. I woke up, and sought out the truth, the light, and found God.
Robin Lindberg that’s amazing
Didn't know those beings existed before march '20, dealt with a covert narcissist, but never with a malignant narcissist, only knew about sociopaths/psychopaths
See also similarities with narcissists & demonic possession, the spirit of Jezebel
I don't read much but this audio book is a fascinating subject
Wowww billies mother. Emotional immature. Crazy how we can resonate to some of these stories, even if the slightest ways. If you’re seeing this! You may resonate with the book “adult children of emotionally immature parents”! Wow this was a great read and I’m happy I was guided to it!
I have to say I have learned so much today....wow!
Yes this book is very enlightening
"It probably makes more sense to assume this is a naturally evil world that has somehow been mysteriously contaminated by goodness, rather than the other way around." 38:30
I call that piety ie the TRUTH. More truth. Man is born evil (ever since the Fall) and must be taught "good". Only Jesus was born good.
@@kevinseraphimday6373 hmm im gonna have to disagree on that. How do you "teach good" anyway? You might need teaching for feeling, i didnt.
No, humans are born sinless, pure and innocent and full of potential flr both good and evil. Which path they choose is determined by themselves through FREE WILL.
@@kevinseraphimday6373 Jesus was made righteous during his baptism and made good during his resurrection. He was born to his mother, which was a sinful woman, although she found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
Jesus was born a man and not born good. There is only one good, that is, God in Heaven. His words.
And the Son is in Heaven now.
Peck has a pleasant voice. Thank you for sharing.
Been a long time since I've read Peck. He gets more pertinent every day. At the time, Bobby's parents were shocking. Now they just seem all too common. The rule rather than the exception...
You nailed it. The horrible becomes normal. 🧟♂️🛢
Barb Thornell I’m related to people like Bobby’s parents. Scary
Isn't it more the case that we know more about abuse now? And the fact that it is now discussed openly, whereas before it was kept secret ....
I remember years ago I read about a man who had been put in the hospital repeatedlly by his very abusive wife, but he would not implement her so she was not arrested. People had openned their homes to him repeatedly but in the end he always went back to his abusive wife and in the end she murdered him. I remembered this book and realized the demon in her had told the man so many lies that he believed he was unable to save himself even when those around him were trying to save him
I find myself asking God, in Jesus name, to bless us all with Dr. Peck's intellect and Divine wisdom that we may conscientiously acknowledge and pray through our own evil - that way to cleave to the truth and give not shelter to lies or their cruel father; yet having pity enough on ourselves as well as others to offer what we are cautiously able to those bound in terrible chains.
Jesus is my lord and personal savior
God bless everyone and lead by your example of the Spirit of holy light.🕯♾
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After I started working at the place I work at now, I realized the contents of this book are real and alive. Some people are here in this world to spread evil - the women I worked with ( thankfully not with them anymore) are the real proof of that.
This book explained so much for me - I had so many quesstions about my X and this book explained everything.
This book, absolutely amazing. I'm near speechless.
Christina Joseph The Road Less Traveled is also utterly amazing, providing one is not adverse to personal introspection.
I've been hearing about this book. Glad its been uploaded on audio.
Amazon 4 dollar
@@alterego9932 just bought the book on Ebay.
@@alterego99324 bucks? That's it?
There needs to be an online course offered in this. This is invaluable work, and I praise this knowledge and understanding of what is truly wrong with our decaying societies today. This problem is not going away, as it has historically consumed entire nations (such as US). Many blessings
Dr Peck departed this earth some years ago.
@@SamStone1964 Thank you
@@YAHsBurntButterfly There are a lot of youtube channels devoted to discussing narcissism if that's of interest.
@@SamStone1964 Yes, I'm most familiar with Dr. Ramani's research. I had to listen to this whole book after my dad was murdered through his Elks Lodge membership in 2012. He was autistic, too. It's unbelievable how evil the other side of the fence really is, when we stop and consider how the other side's life choices seriously affect everyone else's in the family tree. Now my children have no grandparents today. I was glad to find this book because it answered the questions that I had about how this level of evil happened to my mom and dad. It happened because I didn't really know either one of them. They were part of a swinging lifestyle during the 70s, of all things. And my dad was involved with black ops projects through a weekend career in the USN. I know that was a fairly popular lifestyle choice back then, but that choice ultimately killed my dad.
@@SamStone1964check Dr. SAM VAKNIN bone chilling
In case you didn't see it in previous comments, the chapters in this recording are out of order.
Chapter 2 starts at 2:56:00
Chapter 3 starts near 1:29:00
Thanks I hadn’t noticed
Thank you!
U r a legend
This book was very helpful for me to realize some things in my life. Thank you.
For anyone listening note this is an abridged audiobook the physical book has 2x the content
Thank you. I thought 4.19 hours seemed a bit short. I'm only an hour in and can only vaguely remember reading it in the 1980s.
Priceless
Validation after a life of being a scapegoat.
1:12:00
Could not stop listening.
@1:21:52 This is why they say that vampires do not have a reflection.
Mitch Rijkaard Garlic is honesty, sunlight is the truth.
Good connection. Makes sense. Thanks.
Wise observation. I struggle that we accept any excuse given as to why this info is not a mandatory read and discuss at the Je High or High school level. Knowledge is truly the only defense we can use to protect ourselves from these interspecies predictors.
Ii was 4:08:27 in my mid 50s before I learned that there are 2 types of humans . And that some human beings are incapable of being human. The red flags were not red because I had no knowledge.
The story of Bobby and the gun that his parents gave him was all I needed to know about them. It told me everything without even asking a question.
God bless you, Dr. Peck!
🙏 R.I.P.
This amazing book, and the incredible true stories within, made me look differently at my relationship with my parents. Now I am reassured, they are a simbiotic, self-destructive couple. And for a fist time I don't feel guilty for not feeling anything but pity for them.
Wonderful and insightful audio book! 💖💖💖👍👍🤓📿💯
This book should be required reading in Abnormal Psychology classes in psychology departments around the world.
This book put into words what I have been blessed to see my whole life. Evil is not really a complex thing to see but it is so simple.
Awesome book!
Business Lady : nope
I am listening while reading the book.
Just an FYI: This is abridged and stops before chapter 5 which I wanted to listen to.
Thank you.
I wish Dr. Peck was alive.
I would love to talk with him.
In sheeps clothing by George k Simon is an amazing book folks
Thx
Absolutely in sheeps clothing changed my life !
I was so excited to find this book here! Now I am so thankful! I will have to listen 2 or 3 times! Thank you, thank you, thank you! ♥️🙏
Bobby's parents. Pure evil. This is worth a listen.
So many narcs are just like that.
callynt I think they were in denial of what happened. They were just continuing to live in ignorance and weren't the most attentive parents. They feared being responsible for their sons suicide and didnt want to be implicated in it. This is typical behaviour. This can foster a bad envuronment and create the elements for evil. You can say they are evil becausr in a way they are but maybe not quite evil incarnate. Refusal of being responsible for their lives. If thats true then they couldn't be important to anyone. Its the absolvement of all influence. Not a good place to live.
finnibert lunchiken problem is they never see anything wrong with their behavior or things they’ve done
Lola Patton yeah exactly, I can’t even make up excuses for those types of parents.
You should watch the video I made about my Mother.
"They recruit themselves." It's a choice.
Yes....but that diabolic spirit is subtle.
Peck would be so sad to see the rise in narcissism today in 2024! Narcissists breading more narcissists. Time to wear a garlic necklace!
The "rise"??? Perhaps. Though, as I think about things a little more carefully or "connect more dots" (of the PAST and PRESENT), I realize that "assholishness"** is nothing new.
** I utilize the term "assholishness" instead of "narcissism" because to ME at least, such a word is far more appropriate DESPITE it's vulgarity. (Though Dr. Peck does distinguish between "narcissism" and "MALIGNANT narcissism" in this reading.) I personally am not altogether comfortable with the term(s) "narcissist" and "narcissism", mainly due to the fact that I detect a level of narcissism in damn near EVERYONE I meet, or even it being a simple case of:
"It TAKES one to KNOW one"???
But even being called an "asshole" is not the worst. No, to ME, utilizing the word "demon" is much worse. Unfortunately the "narcissist" ("Asshole"??🙄) in me is going to be very upset that the rest of the English-speaking world is NOT going to change THEIR vocabulary, or even have the same attitudes about it or certain words as myself.)
@@JebidiahStillkrackingagain fair enough, but takes more than just an A hole to steal all your money, destroy your health and family and so on. Maybe the word narcissist is over used today, and albeit we can all be an A hole at times, but when your feed on destroying those around you to feel full and satisfied, your on a different level of just an occasional A hole. The thing about the whole experience, is that one Must personally experience this in order to understand it.
Cheers 🥂 😊
Amazing Polly sent me.
Its a BLESSING to KNOW its a WELFARE program out here, that all CITIZENS should qualify to receive.
aWW, How sick people are.I've experianced it in m life, by looking at my mom treating my dad in a similar way, when he had to b depandant.. ect....
I still deal with problems left by my childhood traumas.
You need to forgive first and not relive it every day by going back to it. It's done. Focus on the present moment instead, just learn the lessons that it teach.
@@blesildaechaluce5978 Yes you are right. And it takes a lot of perseverance to become that person that can forgive despite the pain the matter carries. Thank you.
Do not listen to the other comment....it victimized you all over again! You will never forget it! Look at Sam Vaknin, The little Shaman, Dr. Lee Carter.
I hope you heal! 🌷🙏❤️🩹
@@kimkeck6266Vaknin the best on Narcissim.
15:26. “The only power Satan has is human *belief* in his lies”. WOAW!
I purchased this in paper back and liked it so much that I purchased its hard cover too.
Satan's most potent weapon is fear.
Dave Crabtree yes
NOPE, lying is the most potent weapon , little white lies is the worst, lies we tell ourselves how good we are how better than the OTHER we are!!!
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Lies would most likely top that list. All Satan is about is lies after lies after lies after ad nauseum lies.
Illusion. He disguises himself as an angel of light.
An awesome series of books that I will save and treasure because it contains truth. well done and thanks for the book
It would be interesting to see Mr. Peck's take on the evil of Cough19.
Oh yeah, if you cough 19 times you might want to look into that, sounds serious
A scam of demonic proportions perhaps? Pathological liars creating a narrative of fear.
Its the negative father archetype.
Yes the tyrannical father who's trying to crush the child's spirit it resonates with me.
@lajuanmccain5979 get your boosters libby 😂
I haven't felt like this since I read "a road less traveled" in 1983
wow this describes my dad and stepmom perfectly
They gave their son the same exact gun his big brother shot himself with. That's psychotic! 🥺
Blows me away every time I think of it.
No,that's evil.
I've just started the book. I know the story...didn't realise it came from here.
If you only read one book on narcs, THIS one is unsurpassed to this day and helped more than the four years I spent on the "couch" of a therapist whose own narcissism made her REFUSE to even LOOK inside when I handed her this book. But it gets better and you might be tempted to accuse me of making this up, but I swear it's true. When reading about "Bobby's parents" I imagined MY parents in that same place and Dr. Peck dressed like a judge and bringing down the gavel with a dialogue balloon coming out of his mouth that says EVIL! Back to my therapist that day, who after handing the book back to me said; "he's local you know. I'm like, huh? She proceeds to tell me that he works at New Milford Hospital (my home at that time...the town NOT the hospital lol) and is the Head of it's Mental Health clinic where narcmom works as executive secretary! I simply could not believe the synchronicity. What are the odds? And YES she was quite well acquainted with him. Her comment when I first asked if she knew him? "I do" quickly followed by "I never liked the man." Now there's a shocker. More than merely acquainted with him, it seems she decided that she and her new hubby (who was a better man than my father) "needed counseling", and like the narc she was, elected to have Dr. Peck do the counseling lol! What I would give to have been a fly on THAT wall. They only had a few sessions, and mom no doubt imagined she'd be in "control" of the session" as if she had some "user interface" and she'd "win" (cos a "game" is all it was to her whose reward would be "power of some sort". I think it's safe to assume that it was at these sessions, when she found that the good doctor was NOT her "playing piece" in some "Monopoly" game, that she decided she "never liked the man" lol. Unfortunately, by that time, he was only doing lecture tours and writing, and was "no longer seeing patients" when I made a beeline to the first phone I saw after My therapist told me he was local. No narc specialists in 1984 when I began with my therapist whose bias for "her own methods" ranks as glaringly inappropriate for a "healer" who prioritized "her own methods" over my healing and would have lost a patient had today been "day one" of therapy rather than some day in 1984. Far better use of the four years could have been made with a specialist. She's retired now and I wonder if in hindsight, she realizes how big a boat her PRIDE caused her to miss? She already had the training and the Bachelors and she had the opportunity to become a specialist without any extra schooling other than reading the goddam book that I handed to her like the "x-ray" that it most certainly was. I hope she feels an appropriate amount of shame for her priorities in the matter of MY healing. I'd tell her myself but she's retired and living in Florida now and she may not even remember me and lastly no contact info.
How is your narcissism lately?
Great book! Right now, I’m on the 1st 1/4 of this book but feel triggered. It’s hitting home, and I feel hatred & rage toward abusers. I feel for anyone who suffered entrapment under religious fanatics. I grieve for that kitten that was murdered by his father; Karma caught up to him. What if there were evil spirits still around from George’s childhood, starting with his abusive and violent grandfather.
Sensitive much?
George's grandfather likely grew up in an abusive home and the generation before him and so on.
Thank you so much for this share.
"Let us turn now to the parents the true source of the problem. Appropriately they should have been formerly identified as the sick ones. They should have been the ones to receive treatment yet they did not. Why not." If a therapist doesn't tell evil parents that they need serious help then he or she is a coward and not a professional and is an unworthy failed gatekeeper who is allowing evil to flourish and thrive.
He knows that they would not have received it (because of their blindness to their own faults). Waste of breath and effort. He talks about this in the next paragraphs. "Don't cast pearls before swine."
Amazing Polly sent me
Me too👍😊
I read this book in the early 2000s. It is a good book.
90 people don’t won’t or can’t get it
poboysix4 evil people won’t care.
Some people want be the victem...
*book 2 - **2:56:31*
*book 3 - **1:29:27*
humanmoron thanks moron of the human variety, saved us some grief.
You are amazing x
Book 1 is a waste of time to listen to
Is book 2 any more useful?
Doesn't seem so
Skip to book 3
Thanks for sharing 🙏
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I have right to be safe, emotionally safe, physically safe, sexually safe, eft that, it will see u free
9 Deep Soul Boundaries To Set and Guard Like a Doberman
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Beautiful post.
Freedom to live as you wish, to love whom you love and to work in a meaningful way to oneself.
I wish all of this to you and to everyone.
One love ☮️
We all have that right