Indian Reservation Schools: What to believe?
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Father Casey, this video deserved to be longer than your standard 10 minutes. This is a huge issue in Canada, at least among those who have empathy. One of the biggest reasons that Catholics are shunned even more than usual is because of the role the church played on the residential schools, right into the 20th century. Yes, other denominations were involved. Yes, the Canadian Gov't played an equally large role. And yes, to this day, some indigenous people who went through that disgusting and tragic time STILL call themselves Catholics. They are a testimony to ALL Catholics of what it truly means to forgive the unforgivable in modern times. That the Pope finally came to apologize and take responsibility for the Catholic church's role in residential schiols is a start, but much more than that is required. We need to pray for our First Nations, indigenous, Metis and Inuit brother and sisters in Christ Lord Jesus, and never forget the warning that Jesus himself gave to those monsters who would dare bring harm to any of his children. Our God is just. God bless you all.
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I understand and agree what you are saying completely. I love that you pointed out the victims forgiveness through such a tragic time. I don’t wanna speak for Fr. Casey, but this video was made to inform people of misconceptions of the Church’s wrong doing. It would be great if this video was an in depth lecture of residential
schools but he is just going over misconceptions in this one. Let’s continue to pray for unity and opportunities to make this right ❤.
I agree with Carology on this. The topic is very sensitive and deserves an in-depth video, but this one does address some of the misconceptions the general public seems to have.
I feel, however, that he may get a ton of hate if he makes an in-depth video about the history of residential schools in Canada, with the argument being he is not "an expert" on the topic.
I can condemn specific abuses.
Not the goal and effort to assimilate them into society.
THANK YOU ❤ for writing so well.
For videos like these, I would like them to have links to the cited articles available in the description or a pinned comment. Something tells me the people most enraged by this would not accept a video by a Catholic youtube channel. I'd like to share the data with them.
(Editing this because some people are missing the point. First and foremost this is not a takedown of Christianity or anything like that. The indigenous side of my family has been proudly Catholic for the past 3 generations. This is about the current human rights abuses my people (and all Indigenous people on this continent) face. We are still coping financially, economically and demographically from these schools, orphanages, and other government-led institutions. Our reservations rarely have access to clean water, healthy food, or valuable healthcare, and never have access to property ownership or community organization in order to alleviate economic strain. Add on to that the fact that we experience murders and rapes far higher than most groups and what you get is thousands of people needlessly suffering because this country has always viewed us as animalistic savages who need to be controlled in order to curb our barbarism. )
My ancestors went to these schools and I think there are some things you have missed.
Firstly these schools were open much longer than you seem to admit. In Canada the last school closed in 1998. In the US, there several of these schools still open (typically now in conjunction with Tribal govts). Even though these schools now operate differently, for many of us we are still forced to attend a school in which we know that our ancestors suffered and possibly died.
Secondly, this was not the only part of the plan to eradicate our people. I cannot speak for every tribe, but within my community we have been denied access to clean water, working electricity and some basic human rights. For example on the reservation we cannot own land and are completely dependent on the government to provide our housing. In hospitals women of my community have often been forcibly sterilized without their knowledge or consent. My own grandmother was abused in a hospital to "treat" the tuberculosis she did not have, then legally taken from her family by a CPS worker to give to a white family. Throughout modern history the goal of the colonial governments has been to make our life on the reservation inhospitable so we would be forced to abandon our communities, thus eradicating the "Indian Problem".
The main perpetrator in this story is not the Catholic Church but the governments of Canada and the US who seek to remove us. Our people's sovereign existence calls in to question the very nature of this country. The real tragedy is the fact that our church is more afraid of blow back, than it is willing to help bring justice the modern issues facing one of the most in need groups in the industrialized world.
As always it is an amazing well research video Fr. These are just my thoughts.
It is very similar to the history of the aboriginal peoples of Australia and the 'lost generation'. But there it disrupted the most ancient continuous culture on earth
I thought the last school in Canada closed in 1996/97 in Saskatchewan?
@@ivycoveredwa11s You are one hundred percent correct. Thank you so much for catching that. Tbh I'm not from Canada and neither is my tribe so I'm a lot less familiar with their specifics ie dates and stuff lol. Thank you again!
You were defeated. In other empires u would have been slaves or eliminated. The spoils goes to the victors.
"Our people's sovereign existence calls in to question the very nature of this country."
Very perceptive comment.
Thank you for making this video. Grandmother was one the children taken from her rez and her family. Her story and stories like her’s have gone unnoticed for so long.
. . . simply thank you . . . I live in a community in Northwestern Alberta where our beautiful and historic church was burned down, breaking the hearts of both Indigenous and other members of our community . . . such a loss is incomprehensible and irreparable for all those, past, present, and future who have loved and would have loved worshiping in this sacred building . . . Reconciliation will have to continue without the testament of our church . . .
i would lay much of the blame on media pursuing headlines instead of journalism, while being subsidized by the canadian taxpayer.
@@carlosgaspar8447 and activists, and demagogue politicians.
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 sadly, the cbc is publicly funded, and now they are gaslighting their audience to make believe they did not play a part. over 30 churches were burnt and only 2 were deemed accidental so far. the activists too are being funded or they would just stay home and watch netflix.
Thank you. As a member of the Kay'co tribe of the Taíno nation, I often can find myself torn between my faith is a Catholic and my being as an indigenous.
God bless you! Have a good day!
I grew up in South Dakota beside the Yankton Reservation and near the Rosebud Reservation. A Roman Catholic boarding school was a neighboring competitor in school activities. This was the Marty Mission, near Wagner, SD. I personally witnessed both the good and the bad. There is no question in my mind that racism and greed created a storm of genocide against the indigenous people of North America. Many expressions of Christianity participated, even with good intentions. Yet the best of intentions do not excuse the evil committed against these people. The writing of Vine Deloria, Jr. outlines some of the worst done to Lakota people. Two books I would suggest are "Custer Died for your Sins" and "God Is Red." I will add that I began my Franciscan journey with a nun who was part of the Franciscan order that has a mission on the Rosebud Indian Reservation and that those women are today standing among those who combat racism.
I spent my first 8 years in Waubay, (Day County) Between Webster SD and Watertown SD. Sisseton Tribal area. I was too young to understand my heritage, and I am only 1/4 Sioux. My Mother and Grandparents taught me quite a bit, though, because they felt the responsibility to teach us properly. They were a farming family and most of my extended relatives were farmers as well. Things happened, I'm sure, good and bad and nuetrally. I pray that moving forward, future generations won't struggle so much, and things get better for everyone. Anything by Black Elk is a good read. He was a Great Poet, and a Deacon of the Roman Catholic Church. He had a gift for being able to speak to White people, as well as his own people. With him, they didn't see "Religion." They saw real holiness.
@@dawnlapka3782Servant of God, Nicholas Black Elk pray for us.
My mother was unfortunately a pupil there before her being forcefully adopted to a couple in Edgemont, who were equally as evil. She was truly victimized, as was I by her emotional troubles she was never able to shake.
@@maddadrantsI am so sorry 💔
I hope you have sought therapy to help heal what must have been, at times at least, a very challenging childhood.
I'm part Lakota as well, Huŋkpapȟa from the Standing Rock Reservation, with ties to Saskatchewan in Canada, and O'ohenuŋpa (Tow Cattles) from the Cheyenne River Reservation.
Many can't understand how I can be both a Native American/First Nations and a Catholic, let alone one that hopes to become a priest one day.
Yes, we suffered greatly but the RC Church wasn't the only one that was guilty of it.
Perhaps a little bit off topic, but one shining & gold memory I will treasure throughout the Covid lockdown was the remembrance of a kindness from people who had nothing much to others to offer, but who had the most amazing offering to give, their pity, love, kindness, brotherhood & they still dug deep for others - a world apart, but united in a march of tears away from their homes. During the Irish famine, incredibly native Americans had amazing heart. Irish never forget those who walked with us, not even knowing us ❤ Thank you!
Thank you for your measured response to these topics. Growing up in Manitoba, Canada as a Ukrainian Catholic, and then hearing Indigenous stories in school, minoring in Native Studies, and working with Indigenous youth, coworkers, and families in my career, my heart is so pained by the role the church played in causing harm. I was so grateful when the pope came to apologize on Canadian soil, and I pray the church continues to work with Indigenous communities towards healing.
I love your videos!!!! I'm a teenager and a Latin Mass lover. You remind me of my favorite priest who had to move on to another parish. Thanks for your videos.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Father Casey- I'm an Anglican who has watched your videos for some years and have genuinely appreciated you and your reflections. But, I don't think you really understand this issue yet. There are a lot of jarring notes, but the fundamental issue is that you seem to be focusing on genocide as the mass killing, but most commentators I see focus on the evident signs of cultural genocide, many of which you yourself cite. That disruption of first nations society and culture is at the root of the problems those communities face today. And it's going to take more than 6 years to solve this.
That said, I appreciate that you trying to address something that I'm not sure has been as imminent an issue in the US as in Canada (where I live). But, please, read the TRC report, really. You should be able to find it online. Then see if you agree with what you've said hete
The Bons Secours home for unmarried mothers.
In Ireland, there was a sceptic tank filled with the bodies of babies and infants.
796 children had death certificates listing "The Tuam Home" or the "Tuam Children's Home" as place of death.
Historian Catherine Corless studied the state death certificates and found that they listed a range of ailments such as tuberculosis, convulsions, measles, whooping cough, malnutrition and influenza.
She then cross-referenced the names with those in local graveyards and found that only two had been buried in any of them.
Is the theory that they were buried improperly or that the sceptic tank came after?
Outrage sells (even recycled outrage). Sadly, actual justice and reconciliation sometimes takes a back seat to the current media trend, no matter how misinformed (or not) that trend may be. As always, things are much more complicated than the black and white boxes we try to shove them into, and it is always good to have more information.
I really appreciate this video that presents both sides in an honest, balanced way. The content of this video can surely serve as the basis moving forward to bring much needed healing to the indigenous peoples of North America.
I remember spending a week at St. Augustine Mission in Nebraska. My group and I saw for ourselves the effects of disastrous policies on the way of life on the Omaha and Winnebago Reservations today. We heard a story from a community member about how her grandmother and her friend were punished severely for speaking in their native language, yet they experienced healing and her grandmother remained a devout Roman Catholic, which was passed on to this woman. And she also expressed appreciation for our willingness to spend part of our Spring Break being with them.
Furthermore, I really appreciate Father Casey's approach in his videos, especially on social issues. He defies the black-and-white labels of right and left, being honest and balanced.
It is right to call out the Church's transgressions. With that said, it is wrong not to counterbalance that with stories highlighting the Church's efforts to make amends for their wrongdoings. In so much of the popular press, much attention is given to the former and not much is given to the latter. That is not journalism. That is propaganda. Thank you, Father Casey, for giving a more balanced perspective on this issue.
It is more balanced, but Br Casey is overly charitable re: anger justified. There are people who act in bad faith, deliberately, who knowingly rip apart old wounds still in the process of healing, and who have no excuse not to know better. The NY Times and every other media outle that blared headlines of genocide and mass graves are guilty of defamation. These are the supposedly professional class, ostensibly educated enough to know not to commit sins of calumny and detraction, slander and libel. Just as no indigenous peoples deserved any maltreatment they suffered, no Church deserved to be burnt down either. The perpetrators are criminals being protected and encouraged by the wealthy and powerful, and it has been thus for a very long time, certainly more than a century
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Thank you for sharing this story, and doing so in a spirit of charity.
I've always wondered if those 'reported' atrocities were true and how true were they. Thank you for making this video and sharing the church's side of the story.
Take a look at what happened in Ireland.
if you wanna make more videos about indian/catholic relations, a video about Bartolome de las Casas would be neat.
It would be...because it blows the " they were people of their time and didn't know any better " argument all to hell... where it belongs.
All of these people saying "that was a product of the thinking of the times" - my mother told me a story of her older brother who, at 10 in 1916, was spanked rather hard (I would say abused) for misbehaving at school. My grandmother went to the school and told the principal that she sent her children to be educated not beaten. If there were a problem, she and my grandfather would take care of it. BUT if he ever hit my uncle again, the principal would have to deal with her...and my grandfather. He never was hit again...but he learned that he better not have the school report on his misbehavior. So, it was a product of allowing your children to be abused, not the times.
I have had the great honour of spending time in the Cree Nation of Chisasibi in northern Québec. Chisasibi has a population of about 5,000. They were fortunate to have had a positive experience with their history of education, and are a well-educated and prosperous community today. So yes, bad things happened in the past whose effects continue to today. But good things also happened in the past whose good effects also continue to today.
Excellently said. 🥰
@@Pheelyp Thank you.
Once you realise that Chisasibi is the largest community of the largest remaining native tribe in Québec, it gets a little less impressive. 5000 is their biggest community left, and it had to fight to stick around. That is so incredibly sad I can't believe you're trying to spin it in a positive way.
Could you post the link to the disclaimer video you referenced for everyone to have a better understanding of the nuance behind the terms Native/Indian/Indigenous/First Nations etc. please.
While I agree that the mass grave claim being a complete hoax doesn't take away from the bad things that happened at many of these schools, but there has been nothing said here in Canada in the news regarding the fact that these mass graves never existed. It's one of those cases where many people still believe these mass graves exist, even though it was proven completely false. Sure I feel bad about the bad stuff that went on in these schools, but it wasn't all of them, and it is hard to have a bleeding heart at this time when tons of Catholic Churches were burnt down due to these false claims, and neither the media or Trudeau has made any effort to clear up that these graves didn't exist, and absolutely no apology was ever made to the Catholic community.
Tons of Catholic Churches?
@@c.m.cordero1772 I don't know the exact number that were Catholic, but many are indeed Catholic Churches, and last I remember it was about 83 Churches burnt down due to the false news of mass graves. I'd argue that's tons.
@@SuperSaiyanScandinavian
Last I checked there were about 25 damaged by fire " from all causes". Some were suspicious. At least one was arson not connected to the discovery of graves. At least two churches were abandoned and slated for demolition.
I'm not for burning down churches.
But " tons" of children were taken and tons of people are mad about it,including the still living victims.
I don't know what my father-in-law would say about it. He might not like it or he might have said the Catholic Church was lucky every last one wasn't burnt down. I know after he was rescued by his family from the boarding school he had little use for the church.
He was buried according to native custom with no input from Catholicism.
@@Great1Duane "tons" obviously suggests a lot more than the actual figure as accurately stated by @c.m.cordero1772.
@@Great1Duane _"Y'all"_ You're not in a position to lecture anyone about the use of language. Your response is also inappropriate given the subject matter.
In Canada, this video would be flagged as denialism and hate and Fr. Casey would face criminal charges. Seriously.
Thank you Father Casey for this video on what happened in residential schools but what your video seemed to gloss over was that after all the attention of what happened in Canadian Residential schools, it was discovered that the same issues existed in American Residential schools. Your video seems to imply this was just an issue in Canada.
Including lies about mass graves in both countries.
Bravo as always, Father Casey!
I had family members in those institutions.
My father-in-law was for sure ripped from his family.
They finally rescued him.
He never wanted to talk about it except to tell me they forced the little kids like him to sleep in the chicken houses.
I suspect that was the least of it.
Was he taken by child and family services?
@@alt_warn4211 never said. They decided since his mother died he needed to be taken from his family. His father was alive and had assistance in raising him from his aunt, (his father’s sister and her family). He felt they were doing fine,although they were poor like all natives in the area then. He never got over being taken from his dad, although the family managed to get him out years later.
The authorities also took his sister and sterilized her.
Thank you for not shying away from the fact that these schools existed, in part, to destroy the culture of Native nations in favor of the colonizers. It's also a form of genocide, a crime intended to destroy a culture or ethnicity in whole or in part, just a slightly less killy one.
Seems people are awfully quick to throw around "genocide" nowadays, eh?
@@michaelrhodes1981 Er -- what does that have to do with regressive-progressives' overuse of the term "genocide"? Nowadays, it gets thrown around left and right. Nothing to do with Scripture. (Believer here, BTW. It is possible to be educated and theist, because faith and science are two separate things.)
@@michaelrhodes1981 I'm still not sure what this has to do with my original response. Neither is the Bible a reliable source of actual history, as witness the recycling of material both among the various contemporary sources (the Qumran, etc.) and even within the Bible itself (note the martyrdoms of Stephen and of James -- similar to an unusual degree of detail). I'm religious, but I'm also aware.
@@stevevastaits a cultural genocide, which is a form of genocide.
@@arberarber6592 Er -- only if you're looking for things to call "genocide." Ask a Holocaust survivor, or the relative of a victim, if they consider them the same.
My hope is that Catholics will lean into acknowledging this, and restorative justice (praying, and funding projects to improve the quality of life for North America's Indigenous people)
while people in general will understand that thoigh many did horrific things, not ALL Catholic religious who worked with Indigenous people were monsters.
My husband's French-Canadian great-Aunt was the sweetest, most selfless little person you could want to meet,
lit up every place she went with kindness and good humor,
and had spent a lengthy portion of her career as a Grey Nun working with Indigenous people in Canada.
But there are several differences I think are vital...
First, she WANTED to be a nun,
and had to convince her family to let her go.
Second,
she wanted to do aspecific kind of work as a nun (nursing) and was able to get the education to do that.
If we roll the clock back sixty years or more, a good number of the priests and MANY nuns you might meet
ended up in their vocations solely because their parents decided on it, sometimes before they were even born, and raised them telling them this.
It was fairly common for a Catholic family with, say, six children,
To decide that the next would be "given to the church."
Amd then, once in a vocation, a nun had very little autonomy or control over her life.
It might be that teachers were needed, so a young woman was given education for that and stuck in a classroom as a teaching nun, maybe very far from home, when she never had a personal call to either vocation!
And once she was there,what did you have?
A probably unhappy person, raised in the time period when corporal punishment was the norm and not the exception,
In a very stressful job,
And she had little to no hope of changing her situation, and too little oversight in the one area where she DID have authority.
That's no excuse....what it is,
Is an obvious powderkeg.
I shudder at the thought.
My husband's great-aunt,
On the other hand,
had achieved her dream, become a nursing nun, and was sent to the other side of the continent , to a medical outpost in the Klondike.
Indigenous people who had been impoverished and displaced by Colonialism and affected by the Gold Rush sometimes walked large distances to get help there, and her job in particular was usually rehabilitating starving preschoolers.... in the worst cases, beginning with carefully timed drops of water on their tongue, because it is so easy to accidentally harm a person who has been starving and dehydrating.
She was devoted to this work, spoke glowingly of the children, and also of her fear and frustration, because after families had recovered and left "there was just nothing for them, nothing to prevent the same thing from happening"....abd sometimes it did.
Imagine spending weeks nursing a starving child back to health, only to see them again in the same state the following year?
She left the Grey Nuns in her early 50s because it was the only way she could care for her own mother in her old age...as a result, when she herself was a retired cancer survivor, she had to live off of a fairly small budget.
But she set money aside every month to send to programs providing scholarships for Indigenous young people, or medical service programs on Reservations.
She would talk to anyone who would listen about the poverty and sickness she saw, and the help some Indigenous people still need and are owed from non-Indigenous citizens of North America.
I am grateful she passed before these stories broke, because as important as ir is for thr World to know about them,
they would have absolutely crushed her heart.
In seeking the ultimate truth of this situation, I can only guess that the perpetrators got their just rewards for their actions. I'm thinking it's very warm where they are. I continue to pray for the victims of any of the abuses which may have been committed upon the innocents, especially the children, and I also pray that through God's intervention and mercy this will come to a resolution that can be accepted by all. " Whatsoever you do...to the least of my people....that you also do unto me."
With Tuam two things were conflated. One was that in the seventies a boy saw a septic tank with maybe about twenty skeletons in it. The second thing was that there were a set of chambered vaults under the hospital that were part of a disused sewage system and that is where it is supposed some of the children are buried. Noone knows for sure at this point and it's also entirely possible that many children were buried in the local graveyard in a board grave (communal grave) which was the common practice of the day. I think there are moves to open the old vaults, but there is no way the septic tank in question could have taken 800 bodies; it's just nonsense. It's more likely that they were placed there when the site was cleared to build the housing estate that's now there, as the septic tank was in use when the house was running.
Thank you for saying this Father Casey.
I am fed up with the ahistorical hysteria.
According to the Bible, we do not inherit the sins of our Ancestors...
Sadly though, we inherit the consequences of these sins... (Burning of churches, hate crime, etc.)
Corporal punishment was common in almost all schools in the world at that time
Something you left out father is the fact that many of these schools were offered financial assistance if they allow regulatory bodies to come in and see how they're using the funds and they chose not to do that... That's actually in many of the reports, including the official report from the truth and reconciliation.
Father, I think you need to do some more research. The Truth and Reconciliation commission has made clear that this was a case of cultural genocide. The Pope agreed with this assertion. Also, the last residential school in Canada closed in 1996. This was not some event taking place hundreds of years ago in a time gone by. All Canadians have a duty to reconciliation. Part of that process, is recognizing the colonial attitudes and power structures which persist to this day.
Absolutely nothing was cleared up in Canadian media, and Trudeau never commented after the mass graves were proven to be entirely false, so there's still a narrative that it wasn't simply a cultural genocide, but also legitimate genocide. Many Catholic Churches were burnt down here in Canada because of these false claims, and we didn't get a single apology, or even better than an apology, have the truth be known.
My father-in-law, to name just one relative, passed just a few years ago .
He was in one.
i am a catholic who grew up in saskatchewan, canada. less than thirty kilometres from two different reservations.
my childhood best friend was raised by his grandfather. who is a residential school survivor. oh the stories he had. absolutely shocking.
one that i remember… the children would go
out in the winter to steal the slop and grain from the pig pen to eat because they were starving. when the nuns caught them they were not given food, but punished instead.
we will never know all the horrors that took place within those walls.
Could you make a video on learning/reading up on other religions? I always find other religions fascinating. More like a fantastic story than an anything. Though I understand that it’s very real to them. Is it safe? Is it smart? Is it a bad idea? Thanks!
I watched this video and decided to come back to comment. My Dad was beaten so badly by a Nun at a school he was hospitalized for several days. He thinks it was only because his father was white they even bothered to send him to a hospital. The letter mailed to his father blamed him entirely for the incident. When I was older I asked why we weren't in Catholic school[day schools] like our cousins - He didn't want us to ever be alone with anyone from the church.
Looks like your father turned out to be a swell guy after the beating.
He must have been quite rotten in his childhood, if he managed to instigate a nun to beat him black and blue.
Thank you for your efforts. The education is much needed in this space and during these times. God bless you 🙏🏾❤️
I appreciate your consistent efforts to bring nuance to difficult topics.
God Bless
If you are a modernist and believe that all faiths are equally true.
Has the Holy Father been informed of the gross misinformation concerning the mass graves since his visit to Canada ?
Also - When Our Lord gave His disciples The Great Commission to preach the Gospel, I don’t recall excepting Indigenous Peoples. The Catholic Missionaries, who often traveled deep into Canadian wilderness, were Saints and Catholic heroes who deserve better than this.
The only way to partake in conversion is to live a life worthy of imitation. You can explain your beliefs and their reasoning, but your aim should never to be convert, only to lead.
Amen!
Marty Indian School in South Dakota, 2010 the state changed the statute of limitations to protect the Catholic Church from lawsuits involving sexual abuse of Indian school residents. They get no justice.
Can you please put the sources in the description? Just in case I wanna defend my faith. (As we are called to do in 1 Peter 3:15)
May God bless not only my life but also yours who are reading this comment, and all the people who need you, amen . a
Ephesians 2:4 KJV "But GOD, who is rich in mercy, for HIS great love wherewith HE loved us,
5 even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us (made us alive) together with Christ, by grace you are saved;
6 and has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in CHRIST JESUS:
7 that in the ages to come HE might show the exceeding riches of HIS grace in HIS kindness toward us through CHRIST JESUS.
8 For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD:
9 not of works, lest any man should boast."
"Calmloops?" I live a few hours away from the City of Kamloops. it's pronounced Cam-loops.
Damn Media!!
Sources?
Magdalene Laundries in Ireland.
3:08 I note that one of the students converted at Pratt's school was Luther Standing Bear ... I kind of think, Pratt was not Catholic.
Coudert was. He was willing to pay for TB treatment for a girl on a school, but state authorities forbade it.
Bishop Jean-Louis-Antoine-Joseph Coudert, O.M.I. † Deceased
Vicar Apostolic Emeritus of Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada
Titular Bishop of Rhodiapolis
balance
Peace!
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If we are talking about Indigenous peoples from the settler-colonial perspective, we have about 500 years of history to look at and deal with. If we are talking about Indian Residential Schools, we have about 150 years to look at and deal with. All things considered, this video is a step in the right direction.
I was literally just googling this
"There is no war in Ba Sing Se."
Excellent video. Once again you highlight the dilemma of judging history by today’s standards.
This only stopped in 1996.
It should be judged by today’s standards.
@@c.m.cordero1772today’s standards are too low
Thank you for this comentary of facts. Too much we hear is based on rumors and hearsay.
I think you are more symphatetic towards criticism than you should. The anger of 2021 was not "well-intentioned". Someone who burns a church or angrily insults us does not do that out of solidarity with the victims (at least in the proper meaning of 'solidarity') or for advancement of society (because he/she thinks the better future is without the Church); but primarily out of hatred (often misinformed). Our response should be open, charitable and truthful - when someone spits in our faces, we should not pretend it's raining - it does no good for them (and for us).
Ripping children from their families is not “ well-intentioned” either.
You can rebuild a church.
You can’t bring dead relatives back to life.
@@c.m.cordero1772Except you can, because that's exactly what our faith is about
@@c.m.cordero1772 So an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? Do the sins of the Church entitle others to sin against us?
Note also, that burning a church is not an action directly against people and institutions only, but against God himself, for churches are consecrated to him.
Also, I have yet to see someone resurrected as a result of sacred buildings being burned.
(Also, you cannot really rebuild a new church. You can place a new building where the old one stood.)
@@reintaler6355 you know what I mean.
@@hubertk7363 slow your roll.
I'm not for burning churches.
It's counterproductive.
It doesn't bring anybody back, you’ re right.
But I dont equate brick and mortar with human life.
I don't think God does either.
I hope you can shed light on the fact that the first nations people you cannot be a quarter breed and be first nations unlike in America, the better nation where lineage does not dissolve
If you can help us out by shining light on our modern day persecution.
The tribes in the US set the citizenship requirements (blood quantum standards,lineal descent, traditional descent) for their tribe.
You’re right…the US government does not usually interfere with that,considering it their sovereign tribal right.
The congregations involved in the residential schools in Canada made their formal apologies in 1991. They were decades ahead of the government on reconciliation (as we call it), but since it was before the internet it's like it never happened. They have continued to take responsibility as each new generation learns about this history, though very few of those involved are still alive.
The other important fact is that only 64 out of the 137 schools were run by Catholic congregations or dioceses. The rest were run by other churches and a few were run directly by the government. The methods, conditions, and abuses were the same throughout the system, so this was by no means a Catholic problem. Unfortunately the standard teaching methods of the time involved strict rules and corporal punishment, and that was true of all schools in Canada until the 70s. Should Christians have known better? Maybe we should wonder if we are doing anything now that is contrary to the Gospel and will horrify future generations.
Any confused Indians(from India) watching this video ?
same lol!
Outstanding content.
We can never undo the harm we as a society have done. All we can do is to learn from our mistakes.
Racism was sadly prevalent in all facets of society at the time that these schools were in operation. Certainly abuses occurred, for which there is no excuse. No amount of apologies or compensation can ever change that.
But that doesn't make them into death camps.
They have yet to find even a single skeleton.
this makes me despise the media even more. these so-called journalists need to be held to account too.
Why are my comments being deleted?
Paramount+ series 1923 ep 1, an indian girl suffers physical and mental abuse from the nuns until she rebels; my point is, I wonder if any kids had enouph and did so too?
By 2007 irl, most of the boarding schools had been closed down.
at least the indigenous peoples in latin america were treated better
Oversimplifying an issue 101. Just like you did with several other catholic dark history moments... this is impressive. I have to say that the way you downplayed Galileo is among my favorites.
It would be interesting to hear your definition of "Genocide".
I appreciate your wanting to show a clearer view of this problem. However our Catholic Church’s participation in the wrongs of these Indian “schools” and in similar situations in Ireland can never be justified in any way. Even as a kid, I could never understand how priests , Sisters, and Brothers could justify many cruelties that they inflicted on the children with whom they worked. They did not act like Jesus Christ, nor did those who tried to act like Our Lord do enough to counteract the evil. As a priest myself, I can only pray that I never did anything like what was said or done .
They were a product of their time, and they thought they were doing the right thing. Just like how people hundreds of years from now will think we are awful people.
@@spinlok3943this was abhorrent then just as it is abhorrent now. Pretending that kidnapping children wasn't known to be bad 200 years ago is choosing easy ignorance over hard truth.
@spinlok3943 As a history instructor, my greatest fear was the question, "How could you have possibly thought like that?"
@@nickhelms4386 You didn’t even watch the video did you?
@@spinlok3943 of course I did, lol. But thanks for the admission that I’m right-if you can’t comment on the content of my message but must resort to attacking my credibility, you’ve failed to find anything wrong with it. Have a blessed day.
Why is the font you use so weird? G looks odd
The picture is of Indian children from India not Native Americans
The fact the rag New York Times featured the story should have alerted readers the story had many flaws
Assimilation has become an evil word………is it really .
I'd disagree that attempting to bring Christianity to the Indians was sinful. I'd also disagree that those who were burning Catholic churches in 2021 were "well intentioned". Their intention was violence in response to alleged violence. "Vengeance is mine, says the Lord, and I will repay"
Thank you for helping us be indignant about the appropriate things.
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In defense of Fr. Casey…(yes, I’m gonna defend him on one thing…lol.)
Although “ Indian” is problematic for all of the good reasons given in this comment section, native peoples go by a variety of names.
The best way to find out the way a native person likes to be referred to (generically) is to ask.
My children ,for example, prefer “ native” or “ indigenous”.
Some of the family will answer to anything.
In non-generic situations, obviously most correct thing to do is to refer to a native as what she calls herself…usually a tribe or band.
. Referring to someone by their tribe ( especially using the word the tribe uses for themselves) is appreciated.
Some tribes have “ Indian” in their official name…like the “ East Valley Band of West Valley Indians” ( yes, made that up).
So the word is not exactly verboten,but looking for more appropriate terms in English is also good.😊
Bethany Mother and Baby Home.
In 2010, the bodies of 222 infants from Bethany Home, another maternity home, were found in a mass unmarked grave in Dublin.
While I agree with most of what you said, Genocide is the extermination of a culture. "Killing the Indian but saving the man." is genocide. Maybe the mildest form but it is still genocide.
But for most people genocide is associated with someone having an intention to kill. Which was not true in this case.
@@boku5192 perhaps that association is part of what is wrong with society.
@@boku5192if you see what you are doing is killing people, especially kids, you should stop.
Genocide is the extermination of a people (gens meaning tribe, people or dynasty), not a culture. Things can be equally heinous and still not be the same thing.
@@i.b.640Exactly 120 years ago my people suffered from. Forced Hungarization but i won't go around saying there was some genocide because they haven't intended to kill us.
Things that happened in those schools were objectively bad but the higher death rate than in other schools was due to neglegence, that just isn't on the same level as building a place with the intention to kill people. Saying genocide puts these places on the same level as certain camps from certiain 20th century war. Which is just dishonest
As a Black Catholic whose families also came into the church through missionaries it is difficult to hear though not surprising what happened to my Native siblings and is stil happening on some levels. The church needs to speak more forcefully against the racism so prevalent amongst the white Catholic establishment. They who insist on the european style of worship and thought as proof of our authgentic catholicism are pushing the same evil agenda today.
What do you mean by "European style of worship"?
@@michaelrhodes1981the Latin liturgy is a valid one established by the Apostles.ⁿ if the OP is going to a Roman Catholic Church he should expect a Latin rite liturgy. If he wants an Eastern liturgy his got other options, like Greek or Syriac rite Catholic Churches. I don't think he is referring to that though.
@@michaelrhodes1981 Raised Catholic and married into a Greek Orthodox family for 20 years, there is little difference in the rites of the Mass itself. Even a Lutheran service is very similar (my dad was raised Lutheran so I went a few times with my grandmother). The theology is different but not exceedingly so. From my perspective as a church attendee in both types.
Father Casey: You state "There is no evidence whatsoever of genocide." "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group" is an act of genocide.
I beg to differ. Genocide was first recognized as a crime by the United Nations in 1946. It was codified as an independent crime in the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (the Genocide Convention) which said genocide constitutes any of the (five) following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
a. Killing members of the group;
b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Well, if that's the case. Then the Catholic Church can claim multiple genocide victims across multiple countries across many centuries. This definition is simply too broad. The issue you're missing here is the intent to destroy. No one can truly prove that any group had the true intention to destroy any indigenous group in this case. In fact you can argue the opposite, the government or churches actually had the intention to benefit the indigenous persons through assimilation and education and to save them from an otherwise perilous fate.
We also seem to assume that indigenous cultures were somehow loving and peaceful amongst themselves, but this is also not true. Indigenous clans and tribes across the world have long bloodily fought and massacred or committed genocide against their own people.
So this definition gets bandied about by a lot of people but is in fact highly specific. As is the case of the Eastern Galicina and Volhynian massacres of the Polish by Ukrainian Nationalists which almost every western government refuses to define as an act of genocide, even though upward of 100,000 men, women and children were brutally massacred over a span of 10 years. Yet according to this definition here it's a clear genocide. Same to for the famines in Ukrainian imposed by Soviet Russia, also not formally recognised as a genocide. I could go on.
The school where there were accusations of mass graves of children in BC turned out to be a total fabrication. Even the New York Times, a left-leaning rag that has never been kind to the Church has written that the accusations were false. There was no genocide.
People of the current era find it odd that there are graveyards near these schools but that is how settlements naturally occurred in the birth of our countries. Missionaries and settlers came and they built a church, a school, and a cemetery together. There has been much investigation into the graves in Canada. The buried are not just children. The buried are also priests, nuns, and other parishioners. The cemeteries were for the dead of the community as a whole.
The death rate in these communities is also statistically shown to be no higher in these Catholic communities than in any other place in Canada. Diseases like tuberculosis were unfortunately rampant.
Forcible attendance is also a myth. The Indigenous communities negotiated for these schools to be built for their children. They knew the world was changing and they wanted their children educated.
There is a movement by our secular government to demonize our settler's history and erase faith. There are now hate speech laws in Canada that make it illegal to teach certain parts of the Bible.
The last residential school in Canada was not closed until 1996. During this time, the father of our PM, Pierre Trudeau was in power. So now his son in power, who is well-known for his authoritarianism and ethics violations, is placing blame on churches and wiping the government's hands clean. Catholics started these schools out of a spirit of charity and evangelization, Protestant churches followed the example, but by the late 1800s, all schools were under governmental rule.
Of course, you will find instances of individuals who abused their position if you look for them. You will find the same today, in all institutions, both religious and secular. But to think that the Catholic church ever had a policy of genocide is ridiculous.
I think this is a decent video, but it is important to note that the definition of "Genocide" does not always have to include the intentional massacre of people. A genocide is considered as such when it contains *any* of the five following components:
1. killing members of the group,
2. causing them serious bodily or mental harm,
3. imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group,
4. preventing births,
5. forcibly transferring children out of the group
I don't think that any reasonable person is suggesting that the Catholic church was systematically killing Indigenous children, rather the term genocide is used because the other four components (of which only one is required to be determined a genocide!) are proven to have occurred. These atrocities were not all undertaken by Catholic church (and so it does not deserve the entirety of the blame) and indeed many of the worst events (such as sterilisation campaigns) were undertaken by secular authorities.
Indeed, while the discovery of the graves at these schools prompted wider discussion of the tragedies undergone by Indigenous People in the media and society at large, anyone who understands the definition of genocide would have labelled these events as such even if they had no knowledge of the graves.
This is not meant to pass judgement on the priests and nuns who took part in these schools and likely believed that they were helping these Indigenous children, rather, to recognise that the overall picture is actually one that is very legitimately labelled genocide.
There are already words to describe the destruction of culture, which is exactly what the aim of residential schools was. The church has admitted this grievous fault amd apologized for it. That it now seeks to help indigenous groups to reconnect with their spiritual ways, though, seems fo contradict the first commandment. The church has a role to play in reconciliation, but it really can't see how it can help other than to continue to spread the gospel if Jesus. That will not sit well among many groups of people who will argue that was the intention from the start. It's very complicated. Perhaps the church's role will be to help monetarily, and help to heal from a distance. If indigenous people choose Jesus, then of course the church is there to help guide them. If not, however, the church needs to respect their decision. Pray for us, holy Mother of God🙏
Another well balanced video. The only thing I would argue with is the idea that it wasn't genocide. There is such a concept as cultural genocide. So that is exactly what the schools were doing, also committing cultural genocide.
There's no such a thing as cultural genocide. That's a nonsensical, made-up concept made by sensationalists and activists [like the ridiculous "cis" and others]. Genocide explicitly implies the action of killing [in mass]. They were not killed. Period.
Homicide - killing of a man.
Fraticide - killing of a brother.
Genocide - killing of a tribe. [Taking it out of the gen pool, so to speak].
The natives, with all their badassery, are pretty well still living and existing today, probably better than ever. So it was not genocide. Culture doesn't have genes. Cultures are not living beings, they can't be killed. They can be replaced, though, or changed, but never killed. No one can kill a culture, literally. At most you can abandon it.
Also education is not genocide; incorporating is not genocide; teaching is not genocide. They are all well-intended, which contradicts the implicit ill-intent of killing, like in a genocide.
In the same manner cruelty is not genocide; disdain is not genocide; mockery is not genocide. They are not pretty, they are wrong actions and should not be practiced, but they can't be what they are not, genocide. They have ill-intent, but not the one of killing.
Fr Casey as an Anglican myself living in Canada I appreciate this video. Many of the points raised here I have made. There is a balancing act of both recognising the human rights abuses in these schools while at the same time being factual about the historical record, which the Canadian media failed at. However I do disagree with the argument around genocide. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission states that what happened was cultural genocide. It doesn't have to be physical.
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Jesus promised His chief officer, that He put over His Church that (as an organism)
"the gates of hell would not prevail against it" (Matthew 16, cf. Isaiah 22). He also said that any individual member of the Church who mistreated His little ones would be better off with a millstone round their neck in the sea (Matthew 18). So if you trust Jesus, the Catholic Church is not under the devil, but individual Catholics are another matter.
I live in Canada and was working near Kamloops when this all went down it's so difficult to speak on the other side on this issue. The media and people want to believe there's a good guy and a bad guy in this story. Like most stories it's not black and white it is gray. And most people's knowledge of history is nearly non-existent. This fanciful story that it was Paradise before Europeans arrived is a narrative that is not only incorrect but it's dead wrong. The 17th 18th and 19th century saw enormous change in human understanding of how we interact with each other. Up until events such as the American Revolution and more over the French Revolution taking Land by force was how we did things as human beings the same way they did it in Africa North America and for thousands of years. You saw something that you wanted you went in and took it. During the 17th 18th and 19th century we began to think differently. And those thought processes were actually passed on to the First Nations. Make no mistake they were fighting each other long before anyone else got here
You’re definition of genocide is a bit too narrow. Otherwise, well spoken.
To be fair at least when it comes to converting Native Americans to Christianity, the goal is the correct one even if the methods were not.
How would you feel if someone took your kids away in order to convert them to the “ correct” religion?
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I’d be angry that they were doing things in such in unbiblical manner, acts tells us that entire families were baptized at once.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 what if it was Muslims or another faith,absolutely convinced what they were doing was correct. Or even an atheist regime determined to " kill the Christian, save the child".
Your saying " unbibical manner" presumes people have a knowledge of that. All they knew was that their kids were being taken by a foreign power.
Evangelism is to make people want to become a part of the Church. It isn't trying to remove a person from their culture.
There are indigenous peoples around the world who have voluntarily became Christians. Forcing anyone is wrong.
very tone deaf comment.
I attended a Catholic elementary school. The strap, and being sharply slapped on the knuckles with a wooden ruler were a constant threat. They used fear and intimidation to keep children in line. It does work for a while but then as children get older they rebel. My parents finally removed me from the school and I attended a publicly funded school, there was no use of fear and intimidation to keep kids in line.
I have spoken with some teachers in the Reservation Schools, the tactics used were the same, most cases far worse. You try to down play the event, there is verified proof by government analysts that conditions were as bad as being made out to be, likely far worse.
If I had my way I would put the people in charge in same conditions, see how they like it keep them there until they died.
You speak as if religion does not matter at all and that they all lead to Heaven. Even a Protestant would look at you and say that is totally false. The book of St. John 14:6 says, " Jesus sayeth to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh to the father, but by me." (DRV) Can all religions lead to the Father? No. Do all religions lead to Heaven? No. If you believe in the Holy Bible, as a Catholic should, you would know that you NEED Jesus Christ in order to be saved. You can not be a good atheist and be saved. Nor can you be a pagan,as the Native American peoples were at that time, and be saved. You can't be a Hindu. A Sikh, a Muslim. No, you NEED Jesus in order to be saved. That is what that passage says.
The Catholic Church always believed and taught that even through the early years after Vatican II. They set up schools and prostyletized with the hope of gaining more souls for Heaven.
The Catechism of the Council of Trent teaches that the Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ for the sanctification of mankind. And that anyone knowing it to be the one true Church, but remaining outside of it, can be saved. It is the doctrine of the Church that we must be baptized members of Christ's Church in order to be saved. The only exception being baptism by blood in the form of martyrdom or dying for the Catholic faith. Or baptism of desire, which means that they desired to be members of Christ's Church. The latter part in some theological thoughts says that it must be explicit desire: I.e. they were catechumens when they died. Or some theological theories suggest that the desire could be implicit: i.e. they would have become Catholic had they been able to hear the truth of the Catholic faith from a missionary, but they died before a missionary could be brought to their country.
The Catholic Church never ever said that all religions are equal. Therefore, there was absolutely no sin on the Catholic Church's part to try to Proselytize out of love for God and the desire to help the native American people to save their souls.
I originally left a comment here intended for a different video
The phrase "be like the white man" was the problem and was horrific. There is NO EXCUSE.
This is what the World Powers had done over the years and are still technically doing especially here in Africa
So that holy spirit can protect one priest from making a certain kind of boo-boo's, but the same holy spirit can't make sure the priests in its church are kept in line while performing their duties? 🙄
It's called free will and God allows us our free will. All are sinners and fall short of the glory of God. Even priests and nuns can be evil. They should be aware of the judgment only God will be harsher on them because of their leadership role. This does not negate nor makeup for what happened. It wasn't God's fault.
@@m_d1905 But one priest has a limited free will. So apparently it's ok for this holy spirit to limit the free will in some cases. Which begs the question why it's not ok to limit the free will for all priests when they're on the job?
@@michaelanderson4849 - huh? I think the post above answers your question.
@@emiliawisniewski3947 Nope, it sure does not. Because the magisterium specifically claims that this free will is also limited by god. I find it quite probmematic to explain both evil and infallibility with free will. The difference being that free will is limited in one case.
I think the word is martyrs. Those children were martyrs.
Shouldn’t have canonized that monster Serra.
The Church got plenty of pushback on that.
I was part of it.
The Church doesn’t listen.
not a monster, definitely a saint,
Saint Junipero Serra Ora Pro Nobis
@@GuitarBloodlines He was a monster who had his Indian converts brutally whipped for not working hard enough and brutally whipped for trying to escape from such treatment. How do you call a mass abuser a saint?
@@AnonymousViewer1000yes, im sure the saint who crossed countries to plead his case for the protection of native californians from Spanish soldiers is a "mass abuser"
@@GuitarBloodlines he wrote that the “;spiritual fathers” of the natives should discipline them with blows, among other things. Maybe you should read him sometime.
@@c.m.cordero1772 and? What's wrong with that? It's true