Swag Horse I think they would be punished themselves, I'm not sure if they're allowed to be on youtube so if they wanted to punish him they would expose themselves of their own sins. It's a weird thought though, to imagine some stranger has made a video on someone in your cult based off what he has posted online
@@macawlover8251 although if they have a higher standing in the cult they could probably use it as a valid excuse for being on youtube or claim they monitor things like this that relate to their cult to keep tabs on peoples true intentions. a lot of times in cults people with a higher standing will do things against cult rule but get away with it because of their place
the inconsistency like “I want to go” then “I can’t leave” and “I want to die” with “I need to care for my sisters” doesn’t really disprove this at all because I myself experience feelings like this and I know others do too
Actually they prove each other. He wants to leave this stuff which makes him depressed and wanting to die, but he can't leave because he needs to take care of his sister.
"it's real because my bipolar self felt all that" It's a kid whose was told his artwork sucked and now he's made up a story so people won't dog on his stuff anymore. Vpn, how often he's online, conflicting points in the story, how he's apparently a legal adult and has access to the internet but isn't using it to do anything or look up anything other than get on Reddit and spin the story while posting artwork. His post history is made up of exclusively sob story I don't want to change at all and "here's my art". This legit reeks of entitled middle schooler gets an idea.
@@goodguyguan3412 its like you didnt watch the video at all. hes online because he runs the cults online business, what the fuck would be be looking up or doing in the first place he doesnt make any money. and dude cults literally brainwash you into thinking you cant leave so its understandable that if this was real he would have a lot of conflicting thoughts about this because he doesnt know what to do and is scared to leave because he wouldnt be able to protect his sisters, doesnt know anything or have any connections to the outside word other than the computer, has no money, and could potentially be found if he leaves and be dragged back into the cult which would obviously punish him heavily for trying to leave. extreme mental stress and turmoil of any kind will cause conflicting thoughts, thats how psychology works (and having bipolar isnt about conflicting thoughts in this manner so you obviously have no education on the subject). not to mention theres like 2 pieces of art posted in all his history, so your theory still doesnt make sense, he only posted the second one when somebody asked for it.
I obviously don’t know if this is real or fake, and it could easily be fake. But using the fact that his feelings contradict each other is not evidence one way or the other. Saying he doesn’t want to escape at one point and later saying he does doesn’t mean he’s lying, it means he has mixed emotions. The same with him being suicidal while still wanting to be there for his sisters. Having conflicting emotions like this is very common for people who live in an abusive situation.
It's also very common for people who leave / want to leave religious communities in general, not just cults that are more extreme. Conservative religious communities, esp fundamentalist communities, are not very fond of people leaving and sometimes cut contacts with them.
I completely agree, for me it’s like one day I feel like I want to die and the next I’m super happy and have all these plans for trips in the near future
The scary thing about this is that even if this particular story isnt true, cults still exist and thousands of people are stuck in this exact situation on a daily basis. I personally believe this story.
@@camdenwyeth316 It's 11 pm where I am right now but if you do a little bit of searching there is a lot of evidence documented to show that its been faked.
To be honest, I don’t think his conflicting thoughts about leaving/suicide/etc are evidence that he’s a troll. When you’re in a controlled environment, like a cult, it’s natural to be indecisive.
Also, that's a big issue that you struggle with when you have trauma, speaking from experience. Trauma wraps your mind and it puts you on edge. Constantly. I feel like it's a display of someone clawing to get out and not sure how.
also from the point of view of a deperessed person around his age, i have conflicting thoughts like that constantly. rational thoughts vs depression is not uncommon
Conflicting thoughts are one thing, but the way it's structured kind of seems to me like it's designed to keep people going as long as possible. He'll give any information, except for anything that would actually help people find him or identify the cult. Considering that, the conflicting thoughts just feel like another nail in the coffin
@Glitched_ he's trying to cult roleplay, he wants to feel to feel like he's doing something to fight an all powerful cult. Cults are obscure and small and the ones that arent are heavily monitored by both governments and just civilians.
Not to mention, just leave these people alone. Would you want to get out of some cult, and then years later 50 kids from Reddit start calling you about it? What's wrong with people?
Lol That probably sounded weird saying. He was 19 when he first started posting. I just wanted to include that fact so no one got confused if they saw him refer to himself as being 19 in previous posts.
@@dad8403 You're joking right? Like 1 out of a million times those idiots try to do anything it works. That doesn't make them smart. Especially now. Anyone here even been to /b/ recently? Its literally nothing but threads of people posting nudes of their gfs and asking guys "what would you all do to her", and furries trading kik info.
For Anyone who wants an update, he literally just started posting again on reddit, 16 hours from when I’m commenting this. He says he’s fine and is living with distant family in Vancouver, and he has a part time job, except with covid he can’t work, and is instead drawing.
I studied cults for a long time and still look into them for a while, and the fact that his story has some inconsistencies and he wont share his email, wont let people pick him up, etc, doesnt mean anything, really. It's more compelling than confusing imo. He, being brainwashed/taught/forced to do things by a charismatic leader as all cult members are, could have trouble deciding what he wants and backtracking or being afraid to do the things that he knows he should. Letting people pick him up would mean that hes GOING to leave and he cant back out. By saying he will do it on reddit, or is planning to, he can always change his mind. Cult members, especially those born in, are unable to make decisions or are very hesitant while also being naive, thinking they can get out alone and discreetly. He may have an email of his own, but didnt want to be questioned about it as he obviously has trust issues, so he came up with excuses. It's normal for someone who has forgone therapy or something similar whilst being in a cult to have discrepancies in thought process, memory, decision making, etc. Edit: also, we are left with the question of how he has a VPN: he could have found another member to help him, a redditor couldve helped him, or, as he said - the people alongside him arent tech savvy- so he could've lied about what it is or persuaded his parents in order to pay for it.
@dora and friends the cult has an online store, they may not be tech savvy but they at least have computers, and probably a credit card. I'm not a believer, just playing devil's advocate.
If it is real then he is honestly scared and posting any identifiable information would not be very smart for him to do. Makes sense he would refuse to post the email
I grew up in a religious and abusive household. My character didn't have any consistencies until I left. I have wanted to die before while still planning ahead. Suicidal thoughts are a tricky thing. I think I believe him.
Seems to me that the post inconsistency is not that damning, because if this kid is truly using the internet as a way to vent, and is truly depressed as he says he is, then you would expect to see a wide range of emotions as he is just expressing everything he feels on the internet without filter.
@@finn_in_the_bin5263 That's not how depression works, what you've described is the edgy movie/show depression which is never actually like real depression.
Kayceesprite yeah that’s just not how depression is. You have good days, you have bad days. You go through a whole gamut of emotions everyday. It’s your mind trying to reconcile everything, and it is running through solutions to what it thinks the problem is.
or hes afraid that they'll get hurt by the cult if they're spotted and doesnt want to drag anyone into the situation. With the cult being so rural it would not be hard for them to hear a car coming towards them,and ill be Isaiah doesnt have an easy enough way to slip out of the cults main property to get to the car
People are also forgetting the fact that he seems to have been brought up in isolation from society to an extent. This will naturally cause him to be cautious of others who aren't from his cult.
I dated a girl who was part of 12 tribes. She told me that she would eventually come back to the cult when she was old. This is }super{ consistent with what I know of them. Leaving the twelve tribes is like leaving a country, a country where you feel if you leave, you'll lose a lot of stuff. She told me that she used to steal money from the businesses she'd work for, she told me she'd sneak visits to the internet, she'd sneak books from the library. I don't know what happened to her after we broke up (she was cheating on me with a drug dealer).
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I wanted to bring this up, you mentioned how he keeps contradicting himself about escaping. It could be possible that he could have stockhold syndrome. One of the common things about stockhold syndrome is that the person becomes attached to their imprisoner. This could most likely be the case. I just thought I'd point that out.
Well as an ex cult member I can say there are many times where you feel like staying, escaping, and many other things. It's a confusing time in life leaving a cult so the inconsistencies do make sense.
@@GabrielPantaleon858 a lot of people have misconceptions of what a cult really is, most people seem to think in extremes like the 'Heaven's Gate' cult for example.
@@emiikins Yeah I know haha. A cult isnt even necessarily bad, it's just a group of people with non mainstream beliefs. What makes a cult destructive is how the leader of the groups treat and try to control their members (controlling their behaviors, information, thoughts, and emotions). Jehovahs witnesses, latter day saints, and many islamic countries are all considered destructive cults. You can go on freedomofmind.org to learn more.
My grandma's neighbors are in 12 tribes. They allow art but only realism, paintings and sculptures. Anything creative or imagine or fantasy is banned as seen as evil. They have no internet or TV.
@@ao2415 well, if it's something that significative as being in a cult, you would imagine that people who suffered the same would gather around trying to help, "healing others to heal themselves"
If he's telling the truth, his mind is probably warped from abuse and he believes he has good intentions of why he can't leave yet. He probably shies away from the first few attempts to leave because he will have nothing at all.
What? He would be lying about his location and everything about his life? The consistencies have been to the point where theyve even found a specific tribe. Haha, this is bullshit.
@@shaun9953 Don't quote me on this, but I believe better VPNs would have less holes and more specific tracking. A worse VPN might give vague locations and be easy to cut and track through. This could be why we don't have any true information on where he could be.
@@shaun9953 VPN's that you get for free work by selling your information, that's why they can be free. Paid one's may or may not sell your information, but no one can really know.
Worth pointing out that if you were faking this and trying to say you’re from Canada you’d set a VPN to Canada which wouldn’t set it to British Colombia even though that’s his location
Benjamin Brady I don’t think his location is fake. I believe that it would be better if you were trying to fake this putting it somewhere that is heavily populated with evangelicals and also more rural so less people to find out. That is more reasonable and would add more to the story.
I live in the Nordic part of Finland (Lapland) and my IP address shows up in Helsinki (Southern part of Finland). I don't know if his internet does the same but it can be possible.
VPN usually doesn't show your exact location. In my case it shows the location of my cell services provider, from which my data and wifi originate. So yeah, VPN doesn't show always the correct location, just pointing it out.
when a person is stuck in something like this and all of their family and friends are tied into it, trust me it’s very hard to muster up the courage to go. You get very indecisive about it, on one hand you want your independence but it could come at the cost of losing your family and the only support system you’ve ever known. I guess all I’m saying is, don’t be so quick to write it off as fake because of him coming off as indecisive. It’s not a easy decision to make when you’re in the situation.
I was in the twelve tribes. I'll be sure to do some research, because this is exactly as the twelve tribes sound. I was located in the twelve tribes in Plymouth. They would not allow you access to the internet, and would beat you if they found out you had a cell phone or any form of electronic device. They do sell berries, fruits, lotions and so forth, and they do have their own stores. I would work at one of their smoothie restaurants that was very vintage and old fashion, and they would use fresh berries and fruits to create the drinks. I was able to get out of the tribe with my mother, though you could tell the children were treated poorly. They would act as slaves. I believe Isiah could be part of the twelve tribes, everything within this video reminds me of my experience.
R0se That doesn’t mean it’s real. I could easily make a couple of posts about me supposedly doing things that a Scientologist would do. Doesn’t mean it’s fact it means I used Google.
No, in religion's where they say art is against god, especially of it's of something living, it's against God because only God can create something living. Which really doesn't make sense considering that humans create living things too. Human babies. But I'm guessing they probably think God put the baby inside the woman or something.
Something common in victims of abuse, especially those who are experiencing it from close family members, tend to have conflict with their emotions and have feelings of guilt when wanting to leave the abuser. They get close to said abuser despite hating all the trauma the abuser is causing and even defend the abuser, saying things like "I'm sure they didn't mean it" or denying that it even happened in the first place. They want to be there for others who they love but at the same time don't want to experience such abuse anymore, they want to stand up for themselves and have someone help them, but they're afraid that it might not work or about loosing "friendship" with the abuser. It's why it's hard to save a victim of abuse or domestic violence.
Yeah, that's another thing that was interesting. Him referring to it as a cult suggests that he has a lot of self awareness about the situation, but in other ways (like not wanting to leave because they're protecting him) he contradicts that.
Have you ever been scared or unsure? The inconsistencies makes a lot of sense if you set yourself in his shoes from what he shares to be experiencing in that cult. He's probably very scared, want to leave and safe his siblings but he's probably feeling hopeless. I'm not saying I'm sure it's not a hoax because I'm not, but these reasons you're providing that maybe it's a hoax aren't really solid.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I actually met someone going through something similar a long time ago. They had been trapped in their home by their abusive family for 4 or 5 years. She had stated that they wanted to leave but did not want the abuse to move to her siblings and did not want her parents sent to prison. Eventually I convinced her to leave and even then she was extremely conflicted. (Not relevant to the point im making but she wound up getting placed in foster care, siblings also placed in foster care, and the parents got off without prison time)
@@zipop7880 I hope that person and her siblings are getting good help and doing better now. You're a really good person for helping her. I feel like these things are hard to understand for people who never knew someone or experienced something like this themselves. Cults and abuse are usually being hidden from people. So I understand people may not get these things. Maybe if there was more awareness spread on child abuse and cults and how those go hand in hand sometimes.
@@kittycatcuties last time we spoke she was doing great. I think at this point she has gotten her GED (or the British equivalent) and is out of foster care. I am not sure because we lost contact sometime about a year ago but those were what she was aiming for (When we last spoke she was living with a couple of roomates in an apartment)
I agree. I see a lot of this on reddit. Its weird how people are unable to empathize with others and realize that people aren't thinking 100% logically at all times.
There's a resturaunt in chilliwack bc called the yellow deli. I went there a few times. They often attempt to convince people to join them on their land for ceremonys and fruit picking. I've been there a few times. Really good food. But super creepy. They stare, they ask personal questions. This really reminded me of them. EDIT: I googled the 12 tribes. They are in fact aka the yellow deli people. Their official website is also linked to the yellow deli resturaunts page. I'm sure he's closer to the one in Nelson bc as chilliwack is quite close to the ocean. Freaky man...
For what it's worth, the suicidal tendencies and occasional desires to just split during times of great distress are consistent with my experiences with mental illness. That would check out pretty well with a person in those circumstances. Something big sets him off, he gets a little erratic, calms down later, goes back to justifying the cult he's been indoctrinated into.
*Update:* As of mid 2019, he claims to be out of the cult now. A user asked him if he was out yet. He said, "Yes I live in Vancouver now with distant family. Thank you for asking" Also, he says he's made another account. Imo, thats because he's tired of lying and finally got bored with it.
@@keithroddy8297 as someone who lives in bc, both seem equally likely. But since he was asking what his ethnicity was, I'm leaning more towards first nations.
I'm a small percent of native American, I have somewhat lidded eyes. Which is also a trait of asians. The god part doesn't make sense to me, as my native American family had not worshipped a singular god. My grandmother is wiccan, as so am I, so maybe my native family is just odd??
dude dont you understand that he's experiencing so much trauma? like he's depressed and probably only finds solace in making more art. also, it's understandable that he wants to help out his siblings but feels helpless that he can't do anything about it
If he has depression he could have said the things about suicide during depressive episodes and said the things about want custody over his siblings when he was thinking more clearly. Also, he may not have actually been repenting, maybe he was trying to make the reddit page seem innocent so that if any cultists saw, they wouldn't be mad. (Which would be why he continues to use it.)
This is going to be a longshot but I may know exactly where he is, I am from British Columbia and was raised in an evangelical sect that just recently dissolved and reformed under a different name locally. I resonate, so hard, with many of the feelings expressed by this young man - including that I had to stop creating art for a time. I'm an adult now and mostly past all of this. I won't go into much detail as to what happened to me. But, there are multiple areas where he could be, areas that are strongholds for this type of thing. One is well-known - Bountiful, British Columbia, but a few are not as well known: - A few places past the reservation on Mount Currie including a hostel that is extremely remote and religious and often hosts guests - Miracle Valley, been there many times - Somewhere around Nemaiah Valley, it's really desolate and I don't know if it's active anymore - Aldergrove/Langley, to the point there is infiltration of faith groups into local government, we have multiple cagey fundamentalist and Christian schools here, my brother attended one (this is mentioned on forums and lists a lot) - Sumas Prairie, lots of activity around there - Abbotsford in general, and Chilliwack (this is mentioned on forums and lists a lot, considered the Bible Belt of BC) - Somewhere around Anahim Lake, I have no idea how to get there, I've only heard about that one I hope this helps someone. I will have you know that there is often farming and agriculture involved in these sorts of things, or operations of crafting or hostels, and cooking with gas is not at all uncommon even in cities. EDIT: Also, I forgot - check out the Yellow Deli. Google it.
Mount Currie. Are you talking about pushing up the Portage Road pass the gas station? I think I've been there before, the people seems nice and the gas station for some reason served free coffee. I'm from a big city so the idea that something can be "free" was quite ..... peculiar. I turned around before I pushed too deep since the vibe felt very alien there, felt there were eyes on me the entire time I was there.
@@Lancaster604 There are eyes on you, we were followed one by a woman on a horse for about 20 minutes. Everyone is friendly on the reservation, and then you get past it, and it's into a fucking danger zone.
Woah, that's ominous. I just went to Aldergrove to visit a friend a couple of months back, from Minnesota. That is getting a bit too close for comfort.
he may want to escape but on his own, he doesn't trust anyone else, evidently, as he doesn't reveal much so I feel like this is why he keeps refusing help but says he want to leave
@@Time4Technology very likely considering, I know plenty of people who share their VPN credentials with friends / family. Most providers gives each account between 3-6 concurrent connection slots. Its the same way people share services like Netflix.
I live in Chilliwack, B.C. which has 2 Twelve Tribes communities and even runs a Yellow Deli downtown. There's an Isaiah that works there (where I grab lunch sometimes) but he doesn't look Asian or sickly. Then again there's probably a few Isaiahs in the Tribe and the one posting on Reddit works at home. Anyway, it's strange to think that I might live in the same town as him.
I live in Canada British Columbia as well In the same place, I am Native Canadian But not from the area, I haven't heard any cult followings around here But I'd be surprised if there was
Regarding the VPN thing, the user said his mother had access to the computer to check his history, and also that the cult has an online website, so it’s more than probable that he’s not the only none who has access to the pc. Investing in a VPN program would be a good idea if you’re a cult leader- insurance as to knowing that if the pc is tracked, they won’t find out your location. Idk man I feel like even if there’s the slimmest possibility of this being authentic, this man deserves all the help we can provide.
ex cult member here, this sounds a lot like me when i was back in the cult. first, we were always taught in mine that outsiders and other people should be feared and not trusted. this can tie in very easily with isaiah’s situation. as well as that, we were also told that the cult is our safe place and that made us run to the cult no matter what happened. too, the fact that he wants to leave but protect his sisters is also similar to what could easily happen in a cult, with the contradictions being signs of brainwashing, depression/anxiety, ptsd and stockholm syndrome. not every cult member wants to get help. they believe that the help is already there with the cult. also the vpn? easy to answer, happened with mine too. the art could be a means of escaping the reality of the cult like i did. it’s really hard to escape from something like a cult when your friends, family and loved ones are involved too. the only reason i did was because i realised what was going on and needed to get me and my older sister out. this cult caused me a lot of trauma and distraught and most definitely to isaiah too. he can’t decide whether to stay or leave. very familiar situation to me and a lot of other ex members.
Does it really matter whether this is a troll? Let's look at the possible outcomes, just limiting this to actually doing something, not just what you think: A: This is a troll A1: And you do nothing. Outcome: you gain the satisfaction of feeling clever. A2: And you make an effort to help. Outcome: you look gullible and wasted some of your time and effort. B: This is real B1: And you do nothing. Outcome: you are ignoring a person enduring physical and mental abuse. B2: And you make an effort to help. Outcome: you are trying to help a person enduring physical and mental abuse. Why not behave like this is real regardless? What do you stand to lose? People are not sinking thousands of dollars into this or anything like that. It actually says right in the video the person actively refuses offers to send money.
You underestimate 4chan, stranger. Do you really believe that this many of us are that selfish? There’s a thing called caring about others, you know. Maybe you’ve heard of it?
Generic Enemy Okay so 1: Nobody said anything about 4chan. 2:You can care about others but still not have the ability to do anything to help them. The willingness to do something shows strength of heart but why waste time trying to help someone when you have zero solutions on how to? There's no point of getting involved in helping someone if you literally don't have the power to influence the situation, in any regard.
Crowley9 WBBH has a point though. There's no point in trying to help if you have nothing to offer but some shit like, 'I hope you're okay', comments that mean nothing to the overall problem. And you aren't just gonna magically find some sort of solution just because you possess to resolve to act. Also you should really evaluate your second comment, because circumstances matter, and not everyone is fit to intervene in any situation, and sometimes getting involved actually makes the situation worse. The heart to act and show acts of compassion is always good but when your brain or gut tells you to do what's best, consider them first if you know what's good for you and best for others.
Yea, though I'd love for him to revisit some old content he didn't completely do justice. For example he deleted the "grave robbing for morons" video, which is one of the most realistic creepy videos, he's talked about, would be nice, if he remade the analys better.
'inconsistency is a consequence of lying' oooh not really? Having absolutely no inconsistencies is usually the biggest red flags. We're human our emotional states are often inconsistent and so is our memory. This is why law enforcement will interview people separately, they are looking for inconsistencies that will tell them rather or not they are being lied to. Lies are normally consistent, not always, but way more consistent that a heavily abused scared out of his mind 19 year old who must face the choice of leaving all he's ever known or not. Not factoring in those he feels he must protect and the threat of failure. Then you gotta also add on that all his means of communication could be discovered at any time. The cult is way less likely to punish him too severally if no one knows who or where they are exactly and if his communications all lead back to just being lonely and lost, not being a traitor to the cult and escaping.
"It doesn't make sense that he'd do the same things that he's repenting for in the first place". I mean... that's most religious people. It's always a struggle of wanting to do what you want even if it may be considered a sin, feeling guilty, repenting, but falling into the same habit. It happens literally all the time. Back when I was a christian I'd commit a sin, repent, and then do the same thing later that day and repent again.
I showed my mother this video let’s just say she not only disgusted with the cult and the way they treat him but the fact that none of his family members are not doing anything about his depression
I love how some of us comes together to actually help a stranger by offering to get him out of a cult and even worry about him even if he is lying or not it's little things like this that makes me happy about the internet
The video is jeopardizing the boy's life. If any one of the cult's members were to find this, we don't know what would happen to him. Thank God that he is now with an ex-cult family member. Also, I would really like to call out the actions of Scare Theater. He joined the Discord (the one investigating the case), and argued about the validity of the claims. Then, once someone asks him to take down the video, he claims that he's trying to contribute to the case. Less exposure is better in this case than to let thousands of people know about this. While in reality, the true reason behind why he wouldn't take down the video was because of the sponsor. Seriously, Scare, a boys life is more valuable than a couple thousand dollars.
This story is wrong in so many ways: 1. Why would a CULT member be browsing RUclips? So literally, everything you say about Scare putting the boy’s life in danger is just... wrong. 2. You complained about how too many people know, but I think this is good. That way, more people can try to help him (IF this is real) 3. How do you know that Scare only kept the video up because of a sponsor? Why are you giving us the impression that Scare only cares about money? The reason why he kept this video up is because he KNOWS that cult members don’t go on RUclips, and he’s NOT putting Isaiah’s life on the line. And, he found it interesting, and wanted to contribute to the conversation! Also, Scare isn’t a terrible person for questioning if these claims are legit. It just could be a troll. You’re giving off the impression that Scare did not care about the boy’s life, when in reality, he did and hoped he would be in a better place one day. geez.
supermouse73 The cult leader could be browsing. Most cult leaders are paranoid and often worried that their followers might betray them, so could search on several social media sites to find anyone in the cult talking down on it. He probably couldn’t find him on Reddit since it is much more difficult to find specific users and posts on Reddit than RUclips. This video could have put him at risk should any loyal cultist find it. Most cults are small enough for all cultists to know each other’s name so if anyone were to find this video, he would be screwed.
To be fair, he's saying "What should you do IF you become homeless soon" and cults as well as general captivity puts people in a fucked up state of bipolar tendencies, it'd honestly be more strange if he was just completely happy or completely wanting to leave. While it could just be a cover for him not wanting to meet up with people and reveal himself, but as for those things I don't think that's unbelievable. Teens are already really confused and emotionally bipolar but in a cult if they've been raised to think the world is a horrifying place and the cult is good and loves them that clash of what they've been raised to believe and have been told, convinced, and just generally brainwashed of all their live vs the reality of being raped and stripped of most of your basic human rights and freedoms would REALLY mess them up. Honestly I could go on about other stuff but I can sum it all up with this- most all the points against him saying he might be faking it are pretty weak and easily and reasonably explainable, the thing that people really should be talking about is the "Repentance' bs. If ANYTHING would be evidence he's faking it's that, because there's no real, reasonable explanation for that. He might've been given some lecture on how bad it is to go behind the cult's back in a cult class or something and felt really guilty, or something else equally as far fetched, but overall there isn't really any reasonable explanation I could think of. If anything is a smoking gun of all this being fake it's definitely not "Well how can he afford a VPN?' as if there isn't some nice upper middle class white guy/kid with enough disposeable income that they can't afford 6$ a month (The most expensive VPN I've ever seen/had available to me- which is ProtonVPN btw, a free VPN) to get a kid in a horrible situation a VPN, or him having a VPN within Canada as if to play games like League of Legends or other online games that connect him with the world, something a cult wouldn't want for MANY multiple reasons, wouldn't be preferable as the lag with farther connections would be too bad or any of the other couple reasons I can think of.
this actually sounds familiar to me .. it's true imo . i live in a shitty place it's not that extreme .. it's Saudi Arabia .. it's like a cult on a bigger scale .. i feel this guy .. i wanna leave this shithole and no one understands me here . but i also don't wanna leave my loved ones here .. and i don't have enough money to escape this dictatorship and i have failed many times so i feel hopeless and depressed ..
@@sssnakeeateryeehaw6100 nice user name man .. i used to hate myself too but thanks to antidepressants i feel great you should give it a try if thats how you feel hope you happy now good luck bro .
@@americangaming3601 i lived in Berlin for five years German ppl are amazing and it's my favorite place in the world . love you and hope you have a great day .
@@jamie788 true, but to be fair, I believe he felt it was the only way for him to vent, and most people on reddit I've *seen* talking about it are actually pretty supportive. from what I've read, making this video made it more public summoned a lot of trolls and endangered him more.
I'd be inclined to believe this as real - though I'm easily convinced. Two things do stand out to me though - firstly, you say his posts aren't consistent, yet the timeline you constructed shows a great deal of consistency in his posting habits. Secondly, email verification is super easy to fake. He could well have used a service such as 10 minute mail to set up his Reddit.
*we need to uhhh level up our heros to defeat uhhhhh uhhh the orcs and get the plane tickets. than we are gonna uhhhhhh uhhhh uhhh uhh gonna add him to our party*
You should look into a strange group of people on RUclips who think every popular RUclipsr, famous musicians actor actresses etc are all transgender. I don't know whether it's a troll or if it's some sort of cult. All their channels seem to be connected and have an overwhelming amount of comments that agree with it almost none are negative and many more likes than dislikes. It's slightly disturbing to say the least they are all heavily religious too. I haven't seen anyone talk about it outside of the channels I don't know something doesn't feel right with them it seems too organized to be trolling but who knows.
I've seen that shit. Those people are insane I've tried arguing with them but nothing works. It looks like they boosted their subs and comments to make it seem legit because NOBODY sane is gonna like them. The majority would think they need locking up. Religion makes people different so I don't think they are trolling, just really crazy. From what I can see, there's the "big exposers" then the sheep who follow along with it and do similar videos. It's definitely some sort of cult.
I discovered them recently, when I was watching videos of my favorite opera singer Cecilia Bartoli. A woman made a video about how Bartoli is actually a castrated male. Just like Barbara Streissand and another female singer. These people are so certain every famous, succesfull woman is actually male. They can't accept the idea that famous people are not trans. They are real lunatics. Discussion with them doesn't go anywhere, they only believe what they want to believe without any real proof. They even believe Ariana Grande (doesn't get more feminine than her) is born male.
End I’ve talked to one before on the yt comments. Apparently, part of their beliefs is that every historical event is fake and that everyone else in the world, like politicians, rock stars, celebrities, etc. are just actors. And that all the bad things happening in the world are just the government’s attempt to strike fear in us so they can control us. They also believe that humanity is inherently good but the government who are actually evil beings known as “Luciferians” are making us believe that humans are all inherently capable of bad things. It’s fucking crazy, and I would really love an analysis video about it.
About the contradiction of his feelings... Like if this kid is real he's obviously having a fierce internal battle with his own instincts and everything he has been told in life. Wouldn't you have contradicting thoughts in such a mess?
@@Monitice my religious education teacher told me "the fastest way to get people to follow your ideas no matter what, is to take away their ability to think." we were learning about cults and I live near one, honestly I believe that 100% because the "cooperites" near me are clearly brainwashed
Yeah, that'd be very interesting if this were a way to promote his art. I just feel like his art to picture post ratio is too low for this to be the case. But maybe that's what he was going for. Who knows?
yep, many people i know of only know basics of the internet. A business owner works completely off facebook and knew nothing about viruses, hackers etc. Untill someone brought this up to her, she could have had money stolen and personal information and so on. She only thought 'hay i might get more customers offline'. it's far more common than people like to believe.
Twelve Tribes holds a restaurant at one of my favourite music festivals every year, when I found out they were a cult I was so shocked I looked into them, found a local-ish commune they let people tour (and then try to convert you with a hard sales pitch like a damn time share), and checked 'em out. It's creepy shit. Plastic smiling Ned Flanders' with a twinge of Micheal Myers vibes. Didn't wear buttons either, none of them, it was really strange. Just eyelets and ties or little wooden plugs =/ Not that that means anything, it was just a weird little detail. So strange to see them pop up randomly, from across the other side of the world. I hope this dude is okay and manages to get out of there with his siblings safely soon, and that whoever is abusing them is dragged out too.
colenol MD sues Oh yeah man they had great food, at really good prices too, but once I found out what that money was going towards and the conditions the young (very young) people worked in, especially those born into the cult, I just couldn't bring myself to even give them a few dollars anymore, not even for a goddamn quality snapper sandwich, despite how much I wanted that sandwich after a day of drinking in the sun
Bryn Jackson www.reddit.com/user/gobananaboating/comments/a8x7vu/about_ujustmadethiisaccount_the_cult_member/?st=JQLXGD2G&sh=d991593b give this post a read. while twelve tribes is obviously a cult, it’s not the one the guy was in
Wait is that the yellow deli or something?In chilliwack right? I've eaten there before and the food is really amazing, but yeah.. after finding out it's a cult I didnt go back lol
@@Weebslayer13 any yellow deli is owned and run by 12 tribes they are pretty much everywhere from australia to europe and america if you look on their website they have a list of all their different companies and businesses and theres ALOT of them
Imagine being stuck in a cult and years later the tragic story of it is sponsored by a Game of War knock-off
Sad
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Good point.
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Wait what
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That pfp too saucy 🔥🔥👏
BERTRAM IS THAT YOU
Lol damn my ancestors where vikings. :D
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Imagine if someone in the cult saw this video and punished Isaiah for it
Swag Horse I think they would be punished themselves, I'm not sure if they're allowed to be on youtube so if they wanted to punish him they would expose themselves of their own sins. It's a weird thought though, to imagine some stranger has made a video on someone in your cult based off what he has posted online
that could happen, but they might not even be allowed on youtube, probs because its full of things that "go agenst god", for example, I'm an atheist
@@macawlover8251 although if they have a higher standing in the cult they could probably use it as a valid excuse for being on youtube or claim they monitor things like this that relate to their cult to keep tabs on peoples true intentions. a lot of times in cults people with a higher standing will do things against cult rule but get away with it because of their place
he got out already. Check out www.reddit.com/user/gobananaboating/comments/a8x7vu/about_ujustmadethiisaccount_the_cult_member/
@@andtheydontstopcoming1127 holy fuck this guy's an ass
the inconsistency like “I want to go” then “I can’t leave” and “I want to die” with “I need to care for my sisters” doesn’t really disprove this at all because I myself experience feelings like this and I know others do too
Actually they prove each other. He wants to leave this stuff which makes him depressed and wanting to die, but he can't leave because he needs to take care of his sister.
"it's real because my bipolar self felt all that" It's a kid whose was told his artwork sucked and now he's made up a story so people won't dog on his stuff anymore. Vpn, how often he's online, conflicting points in the story, how he's apparently a legal adult and has access to the internet but isn't using it to do anything or look up anything other than get on Reddit and spin the story while posting artwork. His post history is made up of exclusively sob story I don't want to change at all and "here's my art". This legit reeks of entitled middle schooler gets an idea.
@@goodguyguan3412 its like you didnt watch the video at all. hes online because he runs the cults online business, what the fuck would be be looking up or doing in the first place he doesnt make any money. and dude cults literally brainwash you into thinking you cant leave so its understandable that if this was real he would have a lot of conflicting thoughts about this because he doesnt know what to do and is scared to leave because he wouldnt be able to protect his sisters, doesnt know anything or have any connections to the outside word other than the computer, has no money, and could potentially be found if he leaves and be dragged back into the cult which would obviously punish him heavily for trying to leave. extreme mental stress and turmoil of any kind will cause conflicting thoughts, thats how psychology works (and having bipolar isnt about conflicting thoughts in this manner so you obviously have no education on the subject).
not to mention theres like 2 pieces of art posted in all his history, so your theory still doesnt make sense, he only posted the second one when somebody asked for it.
True, true.
MaxieBoyo yeah, for real. ScareTheater is judging this person as if they’re fully neurotypical, which is unlikely if they are in a cult like this one
I obviously don’t know if this is real or fake, and it could easily be fake. But using the fact that his feelings contradict each other is not evidence one way or the other. Saying he doesn’t want to escape at one point and later saying he does doesn’t mean he’s lying, it means he has mixed emotions. The same with him being suicidal while still wanting to be there for his sisters. Having conflicting emotions like this is very common for people who live in an abusive situation.
It's also very common for people who leave / want to leave religious communities in general, not just cults that are more extreme. Conservative religious communities, esp fundamentalist communities, are not very fond of people leaving and sometimes cut contacts with them.
this is more intense than I thought it would be
I completely agree, for me it’s like one day I feel like I want to die and the next I’m super happy and have all these plans for trips in the near future
thats exactly what i was thinking. when youre going through this much stress, you get very unstable
System K this is a reuplode
The scary thing about this is that even if this particular story isnt true, cults still exist and thousands of people are stuck in this exact situation on a daily basis. I personally believe this story.
Turns out it is real
@@chip6933 *turns out it is REALly fake
@@lgnd2k3 Details?
@@camdenwyeth316 It's 11 pm where I am right now but if you do a little bit of searching there is a lot of evidence documented to show that its been faked.
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To be honest, I don’t think his conflicting thoughts about leaving/suicide/etc are evidence that he’s a troll. When you’re in a controlled environment, like a cult, it’s natural to be indecisive.
yup i grew up mormon and ive had those conflicting thouts all my life so its pretty normal
Yeah, that's a good point
Also, that's a big issue that you struggle with when you have trauma, speaking from experience. Trauma wraps your mind and it puts you on edge. Constantly. I feel like it's a display of someone clawing to get out and not sure how.
also from the point of view of a deperessed person around his age, i have conflicting thoughts like that constantly. rational thoughts vs depression is not uncommon
Conflicting thoughts are one thing, but the way it's structured kind of seems to me like it's designed to keep people going as long as possible. He'll give any information, except for anything that would actually help people find him or identify the cult. Considering that, the conflicting thoughts just feel like another nail in the coffin
Do NOT contact former members asking about him
That's insanely stupid
These groups have "agents" everywhere
@Glitched_ he's trying to cult roleplay, he wants to feel to feel like he's doing something to fight an all powerful cult.
Cults are obscure and small and the ones that arent are heavily monitored by both governments and just civilians.
Not to mention, just leave these people alone. Would you want to get out of some cult, and then years later 50 kids from Reddit start calling you about it? What's wrong with people?
s4rah the twelve tribe doesn’t do that there’s a cult in my town there very nice
@@victorgage1680 don't believe this man he's a cultest
He is brainwashed
He's 19 years old but he just turned 20
Lol That probably sounded weird saying. He was 19 when he first started posting. I just wanted to include that fact so no one got confused if they saw him refer to himself as being 19 in previous posts.
@@ScareTheater No problem man :) I have watched you since 2016 keep up the good work
Hey I'm Scott Bradford
Thank you tony
What do you know? You never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Solution: Just ask 4chan, they'd find him in a few hours
Honestly I agree to this like they are really good in cracking all this shit
Problem: the cult might attack them though.
Solution: buy motherfahkin guns
@@user-be6kn8rc7b this is 4chan were talking about those guys could probably make a decent militia if they tried
14ShadesOfDerek 😂🤣😂
@@dad8403 You're joking right? Like 1 out of a million times those idiots try to do anything it works. That doesn't make them smart. Especially now. Anyone here even been to /b/ recently? Its literally nothing but threads of people posting nudes of their gfs and asking guys "what would you all do to her", and furries trading kik info.
The scariest thing about this video, is the shitty mobile game at the start.
At least he's getting extra revenue from it. You gotta make money one way or another 💰
_Âësтнэtîc_ he gets money if we download it from his link and if we watch the ad
Now that is the scary bit.
Nothing the arrow keys and spamming the fast forward function can’t fix.
Let my boi get money😤
For Anyone who wants an update, he literally just started posting again on reddit, 16 hours from when I’m commenting this. He says he’s fine and is living with distant family in Vancouver, and he has a part time job, except with covid he can’t work, and is instead drawing.
Nice he's escaped?
@@whyar3y0uga34 yes from what he sai he escaped
What about his siblings though?
@@assassin2142 good, some cults are just evil and push people to believe a lot of bullshit
Or maybe he was a troller and cant afford the effort to do the troll anymore so he just quitted
Maybe
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Wow so glad I clicked show more comments.
Hey man he needs to get that bread man
Sarcastic Student
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@@Th30fficialToast I'm sorry for what they did to you.
Real or not, cults should've been a thing of the past.
Cults are just clans of religion
Yeah, especially in civilized countries.
@@jojiko7759 👍
True
Cults just shouldn't be a thing
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I relate though
I know
IT SCARED ME!
"They think art is against god"
*_SEVERAL ARTISTS ARE TYPING_*
Wtf
@@l0ser161 _do not question me_
"Art is against god"
*SO MANY PAINTINGS OF YAHSHUA*
Oh boy ill get my friends from my studio
L0ser r / whoosh
I studied cults for a long time and still look into them for a while, and the fact that his story has some inconsistencies and he wont share his email, wont let people pick him up, etc, doesnt mean anything, really. It's more compelling than confusing imo. He, being brainwashed/taught/forced to do things by a charismatic leader as all cult members are, could have trouble deciding what he wants and backtracking or being afraid to do the things that he knows he should. Letting people pick him up would mean that hes GOING to leave and he cant back out. By saying he will do it on reddit, or is planning to, he can always change his mind. Cult members, especially those born in, are unable to make decisions or are very hesitant while also being naive, thinking they can get out alone and discreetly. He may have an email of his own, but didnt want to be questioned about it as he obviously has trust issues, so he came up with excuses. It's normal for someone who has forgone therapy or something similar whilst being in a cult to have discrepancies in thought process, memory, decision making, etc.
Edit: also, we are left with the question of how he has a VPN: he could have found another member to help him, a redditor couldve helped him, or, as he said - the people alongside him arent tech savvy- so he could've lied about what it is or persuaded his parents in order to pay for it.
@dora and friends the cult has an online store, they may not be tech savvy but they at least have computers, and probably a credit card. I'm not a believer, just playing devil's advocate.
It seems really fake
If it is real then he is honestly scared and posting any identifiable information would not be very smart for him to do.
Makes sense he would refuse to post the email
Eh, it's a toss-up.
Seems possible.
I grew up in a religious and abusive household. My character didn't have any consistencies until I left. I have wanted to die before while still planning ahead. Suicidal thoughts are a tricky thing. I think I believe him.
Your parents asking you to go to church with them on sunday isn't abusive
@samzuek not even the slightest bit edgy, please learn what a word means before you use it.
@@quindariousgooch88 I can't tell if you're the one being a dick or if the commenter is cause their comment is edited...
@@naritruwireve1381 lmao they edited their comment
@@quindariousgooch88 Hate it when that happens
He probably doesn't wanna leave because the cult pushed fear into him about the outside world.
You would think with the time he spends on the computer the world isn't so bad
@@onyxrafle8066 if all I knew was Reddit I would be a little sacred too
Imagine discovering memes for the first time.
Onyx Rafle ikr
The scary thing is that he uses light mode
Ikr
I use light mode for everything lol
Rose Milk Revolting
@@CarmenLopez-oh1hf me too
I regret liking this comment
Seems to me that the post inconsistency is not that damning, because if this kid is truly using the internet as a way to vent, and is truly depressed as he says he is, then you would expect to see a wide range of emotions as he is just expressing everything he feels on the internet without filter.
Exactly this
Ok but at least MOST cases of depression is literally almost 0 emotion so....
@@finn_in_the_bin5263 That's not how depression works, what you've described is the edgy movie/show depression which is never actually like real depression.
Kayceesprite yeah that’s just not how depression is. You have good days, you have bad days. You go through a whole gamut of emotions everyday. It’s your mind trying to reconcile everything, and it is running through solutions to what it thinks the problem is.
@@finn_in_the_bin5263 Bullshit.
The not trusting people to pick him up might be from paranoia from a helper to be someone from the cult honey potting him
or hes afraid that they'll get hurt by the cult if they're spotted and doesnt want to drag anyone into the situation. With the cult being so rural it would not be hard for them to hear a car coming towards them,and ill be Isaiah doesnt have an easy enough way to slip out of the cults main property to get to the car
People are also forgetting the fact that he seems to have been brought up in isolation from society to an extent. This will naturally cause him to be cautious of others who aren't from his cult.
to those who want to know what happened, check out u/gobananaboating's post on reddit
@@andtheydontstopcoming1127 link?
@@4717-b7j www.reddit.com/user/gobananaboating/comments/a8x7vu/about_ujustmadethiisaccount_the_cult_member/
skip to 0:45 to skip the clash of clans advert
Carefully guys, this dude's a hero
@@l0ser161 Well then, I did not know that this got so many likes until you said something lol
>69 likes
nice
thanks.
ok here’s a cookie 🍪
“Art is against god.”
Paintings of Jesus being born and The Last Supper: *Nervous Painting noises*
Me: *looks at painting*
Me: *sweats*
Painting: *paint starts dripping off*
Lol those wooden carvings of Jesus on the cross in churches
Potato jesus °-°'
"Art is against god!" -candle making business 🙄
There will always be disagreements between religious people. The Twelve Tribes members are free to disagree with Renaissance artists.
I dated a girl who was part of 12 tribes. She told me that she would eventually come back to the cult when she was old. This is }super{ consistent with what I know of them. Leaving the twelve tribes is like leaving a country, a country where you feel if you leave, you'll lose a lot of stuff. She told me that she used to steal money from the businesses she'd work for, she told me she'd sneak visits to the internet, she'd sneak books from the library. I don't know what happened to her after we broke up (she was cheating on me with a drug dealer).
r/thathappened
r/thathappened
@@monsieur6927 We must keep the peace, brother shalom.
Indeed, we cannot let lies spread across these beloved platforms.
why is there odd sexual tension between you two^
Plot twist- this is a recruitment video.
Ohihohogohgogogohoh
Was thinking same thing he could be tryin a reverse psychology way, chillingly smart if its true since he would not face any charge
What if we have someone join 12 tribes to find him
*BABY SHARK DOO DO DOOO DO DO DOOO DO DO DO DADDY SHARK DOOOO DOO DO DO DO DO DOOO DOO DO DO DOOOOOOO MOMY SHARK DOOO DOO DO DO DO DO DOOO DOOO DO DO UNCLE SHARK DOOOOOOOOOO DO DOOOO DOOO DO DO DOOO*
JabbaBrick S you wrote it in the wrong order
Put 4chan on it they'll find him
Seriously though, why is no one on 4chan on this already?
4chan user here
Lun Hing not your personal army
@@sheluvprada Still tho it's kinda interesting.
Omg yes
I wanted to bring this up, you mentioned how he keeps contradicting himself about escaping. It could be possible that he could have stockhold syndrome. One of the common things about stockhold syndrome is that the person becomes attached to their imprisoner. This could most likely be the case. I just thought I'd point that out.
Stockholm syndrome*
“Common thing about Stockholm syndrome” it’s the ONLY thing about Stockholm syndrome 😂
galactic animations is a fucking idiot
stockhold syndrome isn't a real thing.. this is literally detailed on the wikipedia page
Well as an ex cult member I can say there are many times where you feel like staying, escaping, and many other things. It's a confusing time in life leaving a cult so the inconsistencies do make sense.
sure buddy i believe you :)
@@collin833 what do you think a cult is?
big agree
@@GabrielPantaleon858 a lot of people have misconceptions of what a cult really is, most people seem to think in extremes like the 'Heaven's Gate' cult for example.
@@emiikins Yeah I know haha. A cult isnt even necessarily bad, it's just a group of people with non mainstream beliefs. What makes a cult destructive is how the leader of the groups treat and try to control their members (controlling their behaviors, information, thoughts, and emotions). Jehovahs witnesses, latter day saints, and many islamic countries are all considered destructive cults. You can go on freedomofmind.org to learn more.
My grandma's neighbors are in 12 tribes. They allow art but only realism, paintings and sculptures. Anything creative or imagine or fantasy is banned as seen as evil. They have no internet or TV.
Apparently, everyone parents or grandparents in this comment section are in 12 tribes
@@ao2415 well, if it's something that significative as being in a cult, you would imagine that people who suffered the same would gather around trying to help, "healing others to heal themselves"
Tf
Do you think it would be alright to call the police? I'm not far.
its just like how a korean title attracts koreans. But i dont know about the population number.
If he's telling the truth, his mind is probably warped from abuse and he believes he has good intentions of why he can't leave yet. He probably shies away from the first few attempts to leave because he will have nothing at all.
He actually managed to escape the cult,he mentioned it in his latest post
Link
L I I I N K
Give us the link and no one will be harmed.
*L I N K*
Quit your bullshit bitch unless you have proof
I say just give this to 4chan and wait for them to find him
Kurbyu you can’t tell 4chan to do something
@@jcstides giving a gift != giving an order
@@jcstides you have to be sneaky about it
@@aliyastop open the gaddamn gift
Best way is to say they can't find him and make it a challenge. They are freaky with this shit, and probably better than FBI at tracking ppl lmao
The biggest problem with this video: the narrator assumes that a person who is scared and depressed will be logical and consistent.
Exactly
What? He would be lying about his location and everything about his life? The consistencies have been to the point where theyve even found a specific tribe. Haha, this is bullshit.
Snafu what does this say
very true
mlg wolves I mean that he’s a faker daker, probably a rich 14 year old
Real or fake, I really dig those drawings.
same
@@gomo9255 same, i rarely experience emotions when looking at art, but the drawings really made me unsettled.
Me too especially the first one
Hit or miss, I guess he doesn't miss, huh?
What? They’re awful..
Me: *has ad blocker*
RUclipsr: I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move
Machinegunfish wow this is an amazing comment
This deserves so much more likes
Your a furry your worth is less than that shitty mobile game
@@garfoofian8507 found the edgy 12 year old with nothing better to do than attack people for their own hobbies
@Kuno You're totally right about this twelve year old. God I swear they're gonna make the RUclips comments a crappy ripoff of Twitter.
everyone is talking about paying for vpn and buying vpn...
there are free vpns guys.. i use them all the time........
Ruby Friday yea but he said they know what vpn he’s using and it’s a vpn that isn’t free
They are not as good as paid ones
@@shaun9953 Don't quote me on this, but I believe better VPNs would have less holes and more specific tracking. A worse VPN might give vague locations and be easy to cut and track through. This could be why we don't have any true information on where he could be.
@@shaun9953 VPN's that you get for free work by selling your information, that's why they can be free. Paid one's may or may not sell your information, but no one can really know.
That's what I thought you would say, Ruby Friday from Wakanda
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@@mattsmith457 you stupid!!! It was Abraham Lincol who said that in 1897
Worth pointing out that if you were faking this and trying to say you’re from Canada you’d set a VPN to Canada which wouldn’t set it to British Colombia even though that’s his location
DaniHell no exactly “untraceable” u still cant look anything up illegal
Benjamin Brady I don’t think his location is fake. I believe that it would be better if you were trying to fake this putting it somewhere that is heavily populated with evangelicals and also more rural so less people to find out. That is more reasonable and would add more to the story.
I live in the Nordic part of Finland (Lapland) and my IP address shows up in Helsinki (Southern part of Finland). I don't know if his internet does the same but it can be possible.
VPN usually doesn't show your exact location. In my case it shows the location of my cell services provider, from which my data and wifi originate. So yeah, VPN doesn't show always the correct location, just pointing it out.
Mine says US east even tho I live in montana
when a person is stuck in something like this and all of their family and friends are tied into it, trust me it’s very hard to muster up the courage to go. You get very indecisive about it, on one hand you want your independence but it could come at the cost of losing your family and the only support system you’ve ever known.
I guess all I’m saying is, don’t be so quick to write it off as fake because of him coming off as indecisive. It’s not a easy decision to make when you’re in the situation.
I was in the twelve tribes. I'll be sure to do some research, because this is exactly as the twelve tribes sound. I was located in the twelve tribes in Plymouth. They would not allow you access to the internet, and would beat you if they found out you had a cell phone or any form of electronic device. They do sell berries, fruits, lotions and so forth, and they do have their own stores. I would work at one of their smoothie restaurants that was very vintage and old fashion, and they would use fresh berries and fruits to create the drinks. I was able to get out of the tribe with my mother, though you could tell the children were treated poorly. They would act as slaves. I believe Isiah could be part of the twelve tribes, everything within this video reminds me of my experience.
R0se really?
@@brosis2929 Reeee3eeeeeaaaaaallly?
R0se
That doesn’t mean it’s real. I could easily make a couple of posts about me supposedly doing things that a Scientologist would do. Doesn’t mean it’s fact it means I used Google.
You don’t sayyyyy?
Wait you joined youtube in 2013 when were you in the cult?
God i hope it's fake. This is fucking sick. It's godawful that anyone goes through similar experiences to him.
Check out www.reddit.com/user/gobananaboating/comments/a8x7vu/about_ujustmadethiisaccount_the_cult_member/
@@andtheydontstopcoming1127 I'm to scared to click. my balls tucked in my vagina and now I'm a women cause I'm too much of a pussy to man up
Dirty Dan its just that he got out
@@elw6323 my balls are hanging now thank you
@@elw6323 links?
“Art is against god”
Not if it’s religious art home boy
Cults aren't exactly known for being self aware
They could be against idolatry.
No, in religion's where they say art is against god, especially of it's of something living, it's against God because only God can create something living. Which really doesn't make sense considering that humans create living things too. Human babies. But I'm guessing they probably think God put the baby inside the woman or something.
@@thatweirdbwah_ What do you mean? Dont babies get carried by a white stork and delivered to righteous children of god?
@@memeswereablessingfromthel3942 "white stroke"
Something common in victims of abuse, especially those who are experiencing it from close family members, tend to have conflict with their emotions and have feelings of guilt when wanting to leave the abuser. They get close to said abuser despite hating all the trauma the abuser is causing and even defend the abuser, saying things like "I'm sure they didn't mean it" or denying that it even happened in the first place. They want to be there for others who they love but at the same time don't want to experience such abuse anymore, they want to stand up for themselves and have someone help them, but they're afraid that it might not work or about loosing "friendship" with the abuser. It's why it's hard to save a victim of abuse or domestic violence.
It may well be true, but I'd be unsure if he referred to it as a cult himself because those on the inside rarely see themselves as being in a cult
That's not true. He's lurked the internet enough to know the outside world is nothing like the cult he's in
@@danr8267 I mean they rarely refer to it as a cult for various reasons in general, not saying this guy is definitely fake
Yeah, that's another thing that was interesting. Him referring to it as a cult suggests that he has a lot of self awareness about the situation, but in other ways (like not wanting to leave because they're protecting him) he contradicts that.
@@ScareTheater absolutely, it seems possibly a bit off
@@MadeleineSwannSurreal why are you literally everywhere
Have you ever been scared or unsure? The inconsistencies makes a lot of sense if you set yourself in his shoes from what he shares to be experiencing in that cult. He's probably very scared, want to leave and safe his siblings but he's probably feeling hopeless. I'm not saying I'm sure it's not a hoax because I'm not, but these reasons you're providing that maybe it's a hoax aren't really solid.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I actually met someone going through something similar a long time ago. They had been trapped in their home by their abusive family for 4 or 5 years. She had stated that they wanted to leave but did not want the abuse to move to her siblings and did not want her parents sent to prison. Eventually I convinced her to leave and even then she was extremely conflicted.
(Not relevant to the point im making but she wound up getting placed in foster care, siblings also placed in foster care, and the parents got off without prison time)
@@zipop7880 I hope that person and her siblings are getting good help and doing better now. You're a really good person for helping her. I feel like these things are hard to understand for people who never knew someone or experienced something like this themselves. Cults and abuse are usually being hidden from people. So I understand people may not get these things. Maybe if there was more awareness spread on child abuse and cults and how those go hand in hand sometimes.
@@kittycatcuties last time we spoke she was doing great. I think at this point she has gotten her GED (or the British equivalent) and is out of foster care. I am not sure because we lost contact sometime about a year ago but those were what she was aiming for
(When we last spoke she was living with a couple of roomates in an apartment)
@@zipop7880 I'm happy for her :) Thanks for your reply
I agree. I see a lot of this on reddit. Its weird how people are unable to empathize with others and realize that people aren't thinking 100% logically at all times.
It all starts with incognito mode.
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There's a resturaunt in chilliwack bc called the yellow deli. I went there a few times. They often attempt to convince people to join them on their land for ceremonys and fruit picking. I've been there a few times. Really good food. But super creepy. They stare, they ask personal questions. This really reminded me of them.
EDIT: I googled the 12 tribes. They are in fact aka the yellow deli people. Their official website is also linked to the yellow deli resturaunts page. I'm sure he's closer to the one in Nelson bc as chilliwack is quite close to the ocean. Freaky man...
i wanna go there but i also dont
Really good food lolol
And cheap
Hey, you could go and then see if you see a young adult Asian kid
@@brendanbancescu5884 you saying they have really good food and it's cheap is tempting but then again you could be a part of the cult as well
> Redditor in a cult
So a Redditor using Reddit?
HowDo ILogin ooooooooh you’re on thin ice buddy
Very thin.
I bet you are from Tumbler town
@@RivieraStyx yea that shit be confusing af
god damnit i came to comment that, fucking hell
For what it's worth, the suicidal tendencies and occasional desires to just split during times of great distress are consistent with my experiences with mental illness.
That would check out pretty well with a person in those circumstances. Something big sets him off, he gets a little erratic, calms down later, goes back to justifying the cult he's been indoctrinated into.
Have to agree with you
*Update:* As of mid 2019, he claims to be out of the cult now. A user asked him if he was out yet. He said,
"Yes I live in Vancouver now with distant family. Thank you for asking"
Also, he says he's made another account.
Imo, thats because he's tired of lying and finally got bored with it.
Do you know the other account's username?
I mean, the dude posted about 3 months ago and does so occasionally. 🤷🏻♀️
Posts more than I do on Reddit for certain. 🤷🏻♀️
source?
@@assassin2142 u/justmadethiisaccount
Western Canada, 12 Tribes, Looks Asian, he may be native american.
Fat Fuck he must be native. I live here in Canada and a lot of them grow up without knowing anything about themselves due to dysfunctional tribe laws.
0 Videos With Absolutely No Subscribers!!! Western Canada has a really high Asian population though, so he may actually be Asian.
@@keithroddy8297 as someone who lives in bc, both seem equally likely. But since he was asking what his ethnicity was, I'm leaning more towards first nations.
I'm a small percent of native American, I have somewhat lidded eyes. Which is also a trait of asians. The god part doesn't make sense to me, as my native American family had not worshipped a singular god. My grandmother is wiccan, as so am I, so maybe my native family is just odd??
@@sludgeskin I'm native too, but while my grandmother used to practice the same sort of things, a lot of my family on that side is deeply catholic.
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dude dont you understand that he's experiencing so much trauma? like he's depressed and probably only finds solace in making more art. also, it's understandable that he wants to help out his siblings but feels helpless that he can't do anything about it
check out the post of u/gobananaboating on reddit
Mia Are you not skeptical? Scare has a point most people are just taking his word.
How stupid do you feel now knowing it was an arg all along
How stupid can you get?
@@bushidoh8316 It's not stupid to be caring and not skeptical.
When I see a scaretheater upload I actually get genuinely happy
*lol backwards is lol*
Same
@@notalaeyt784 omg are you a real life jew? Can you upload a video of your claws? Do you really look like goblin?
@@Calilou52 lmaooo
So does everyone
If he has depression he could have said the things about suicide during depressive episodes and said the things about want custody over his siblings when he was thinking more clearly. Also, he may not have actually been repenting, maybe he was trying to make the reddit page seem innocent so that if any cultists saw, they wouldn't be mad. (Which would be why he continues to use it.)
You can get cracked versions of VPN's 👍
Only a monster would do such a thing
@Nasko GAMING I've already given into the sin. I'm getting a cracked VPN as well. See y'all in hell :)
3 years for 90 usd i paid them its like cents a day u can afford it
@@marcusharris188 See y'all in hell then.
Nasko GAMING link me
I've gone through severe depression- suicidal ideation, etc. The swings of emotions in his posts do make sense for depression.
someone lying on the internet? unheard of!
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Amuricuh Agreed, people lying on the internet Preposterous.
I thought it said "Radiator Stuck in a Cult" which would have been funnier.
Same
This is going to be a longshot but I may know exactly where he is, I am from British Columbia and was raised in an evangelical sect that just recently dissolved and reformed under a different name locally. I resonate, so hard, with many of the feelings expressed by this young man - including that I had to stop creating art for a time. I'm an adult now and mostly past all of this. I won't go into much detail as to what happened to me. But, there are multiple areas where he could be, areas that are strongholds for this type of thing. One is well-known - Bountiful, British Columbia, but a few are not as well known:
- A few places past the reservation on Mount Currie including a hostel that is extremely remote and religious and often hosts guests
- Miracle Valley, been there many times
- Somewhere around Nemaiah Valley, it's really desolate and I don't know if it's active anymore
- Aldergrove/Langley, to the point there is infiltration of faith groups into local government, we have multiple cagey fundamentalist and Christian schools here, my brother attended one (this is mentioned on forums and lists a lot)
- Sumas Prairie, lots of activity around there
- Abbotsford in general, and Chilliwack (this is mentioned on forums and lists a lot, considered the Bible Belt of BC)
- Somewhere around Anahim Lake, I have no idea how to get there, I've only heard about that one
I hope this helps someone. I will have you know that there is often farming and agriculture involved in these sorts of things, or operations of crafting or hostels, and cooking with gas is not at all uncommon even in cities.
EDIT: Also, I forgot - check out the Yellow Deli. Google it.
Shit that's real good info
Mount Currie. Are you talking about pushing up the Portage Road pass the gas station? I think I've been there before, the people seems nice and the gas station for some reason served free coffee. I'm from a big city so the idea that something can be "free" was quite ..... peculiar. I turned around before I pushed too deep since the vibe felt very alien there, felt there were eyes on me the entire time I was there.
l'm near ottowa ontario :)
@@Lancaster604 There are eyes on you, we were followed one by a woman on a horse for about 20 minutes. Everyone is friendly on the reservation, and then you get past it, and it's into a fucking danger zone.
Woah, that's ominous. I just went to Aldergrove to visit a friend a couple of months back, from Minnesota. That is getting a bit too close for comfort.
"Art is rebelling against God"
They prolly have a portrait of Jesus in their house
Jesus not God
@@Stereo7830 Jesus and God are the same person it's just that God took the form of man. If you read the bible then you would know this
I thought Jesus was god son
@@LuisRivera-wn5bp Jesus is God the Son. God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I have a feeling that Suhaimi is from a different religion
Fine RUclips, i've watched it, happy now?
RUclips : you depressed yet?
Ur moms happy now
It ain’t never leaving your recommended until there’s another 10 month old video to annoy you by constantly popping up.
@@retrospades39 Exactly!
Lol it has been in my recommend section with every video I watch
he may want to escape but on his own, he doesn't trust anyone else, evidently, as he doesn't reveal much so I feel like this is why he keeps refusing help but says he want to leave
@1234 how?
People sell stolen VPN accounts for cheap, like 3$ for 6 months
Someone could have provided him with login credentials for the VPN so he doesn't have to pay himself.
@@Time4Technology That would explain why the person who offered him a VPN deleted the post.
Philip Ellington I’m not even kidding the view count is 666k veiws
@@Time4Technology very likely considering, I know plenty of people who share their VPN credentials with friends / family. Most providers gives each account between 3-6 concurrent connection slots. Its the same way people share services like Netflix.
then did they really help them if it got stolen?
“Someone asked him to submit more of his art, and he posted this.”
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"Contacting former members to ask if they remember anything about an asian kid named Isaiah" ?! Wtf ?! Good job on getting him into trouble
Rari former means they already left the cult
I live in Chilliwack, B.C. which has 2 Twelve Tribes communities and even runs a Yellow Deli downtown. There's an Isaiah that works there (where I grab lunch sometimes) but he doesn't look Asian or sickly. Then again there's probably a few Isaiahs in the Tribe and the one posting on Reddit works at home. Anyway, it's strange to think that I might live in the same town as him.
Damn, I used to live in Abbotsford. Moved to Greater Van recently.
You should make some random small talk about reddit and gauge his reaction
12 tribes, the ones with the big bus that prey on festy kids?
I live in Canada British Columbia as well
In the same place, I am Native Canadian
But not from the area, I haven't heard any cult followings around here
But I'd be surprised if there was
Jay Jay iva cults can be anywhere
Regarding the VPN thing, the user said his mother had access to the computer to check his history, and also that the cult has an online website, so it’s more than probable that he’s not the only none who has access to the pc. Investing in a VPN program would be a good idea if you’re a cult leader- insurance as to knowing that if the pc is tracked, they won’t find out your location. Idk man I feel like even if there’s the slimmest possibility of this being authentic, this man deserves all the help we can provide.
oh shit yeah
ex cult member here, this sounds a lot like me when i was back in the cult. first, we were always taught in mine that outsiders and other people should be feared and not trusted. this can tie in very easily with isaiah’s situation. as well as that, we were also told that the cult is our safe place and that made us run to the cult no matter what happened. too, the fact that he wants to leave but protect his sisters is also similar to what could easily happen in a cult, with the contradictions being signs of brainwashing, depression/anxiety, ptsd and stockholm syndrome. not every cult member wants to get help. they believe that the help is already there with the cult. also the vpn? easy to answer, happened with mine too. the art could be a means of escaping the reality of the cult like i did. it’s really hard to escape from something like a cult when your friends, family and loved ones are involved too. the only reason i did was because i realised what was going on and needed to get me and my older sister out. this cult caused me a lot of trauma and distraught and most definitely to isaiah too. he can’t decide whether to stay or leave. very familiar situation to me and a lot of other ex members.
Does it really matter whether this is a troll? Let's look at the possible outcomes, just limiting this to actually doing something, not just what you think:
A: This is a troll
A1: And you do nothing. Outcome: you gain the satisfaction of feeling clever.
A2: And you make an effort to help. Outcome: you look gullible and wasted some of your time and effort.
B: This is real
B1: And you do nothing. Outcome: you are ignoring a person enduring physical and mental abuse.
B2: And you make an effort to help. Outcome: you are trying to help a person enduring physical and mental abuse.
Why not behave like this is real regardless? What do you stand to lose? People are not sinking thousands of dollars into this or anything like that. It actually says right in the video the person actively refuses offers to send money.
Makes sense to me!
Yes, but if you do encounter someone who is abused, are you just going to ignore it and pat yourself in the back for it?
You underestimate 4chan, stranger. Do you really believe that this many of us are that selfish? There’s a thing called caring about others, you know. Maybe you’ve heard of it?
Generic Enemy
Okay so
1: Nobody said anything about 4chan.
2:You can care about others but still not have the ability to do anything to help them.
The willingness to do something shows strength of heart but why waste time trying to help someone when you have zero solutions on how to? There's no point of getting involved in helping someone if you literally don't have the power to influence the situation, in any regard.
Crowley9
WBBH has a point though. There's no point in trying to help if you have nothing to offer but some shit like, 'I hope you're okay', comments that mean nothing to the overall problem. And you aren't just gonna magically find some sort of solution just because you possess to resolve to act. Also you should really evaluate your second comment, because circumstances matter, and not everyone is fit to intervene in any situation, and sometimes getting involved actually makes the situation worse. The heart to act and show acts of compassion is always good but when your brain or gut tells you to do what's best, consider them first if you know what's good for you and best for others.
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Dude sweet Dee joins a cult
Oh yeah i remember that lol
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MlbElite Games yeet is probably a troll trying to make himself noteworthy
YES
Yea, though I'd love for him to revisit some old content he didn't completely do justice. For example he deleted the "grave robbing for morons" video, which is one of the most realistic creepy videos, he's talked about, would be nice, if he remade the analys better.
'inconsistency is a consequence of lying' oooh not really? Having absolutely no inconsistencies is usually the biggest red flags. We're human our emotional states are often inconsistent and so is our memory. This is why law enforcement will interview people separately, they are looking for inconsistencies that will tell them rather or not they are being lied to. Lies are normally consistent, not always, but way more consistent that a heavily abused scared out of his mind 19 year old who must face the choice of leaving all he's ever known or not. Not factoring in those he feels he must protect and the threat of failure. Then you gotta also add on that all his means of communication could be discovered at any time. The cult is way less likely to punish him too severally if no one knows who or where they are exactly and if his communications all lead back to just being lonely and lost, not being a traitor to the cult and escaping.
He asked 5hours ago how to post a video!
Somebody help this mans
His art is actually really good! I love the owl it looks so friendly
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"It doesn't make sense that he'd do the same things that he's repenting for in the first place". I mean... that's most religious people. It's always a struggle of wanting to do what you want even if it may be considered a sin, feeling guilty, repenting, but falling into the same habit. It happens literally all the time. Back when I was a christian I'd commit a sin, repent, and then do the same thing later that day and repent again.
I wouldn't really call this a hoax tbh. It seems more like an ARG of sorts...
I showed my mother this video let’s just say she not only disgusted with the cult and the way they treat him but the fact that none of his family members are not doing anything about his depression
The truth is out. Check out the post of u/gobananaboating on reddit
And the fact that he's being sexually abused
Angry Anna my mom believes that cults are a threat to human kind
@@johanlopez7507 She is right, Isaiah needs to be in a better place!
@@johanlopez7507 Well she is kinda right
I love how some of us comes together to actually help a stranger by offering to get him out of a cult and even worry about him even if he is lying or not it's little things like this that makes me happy about the internet
The video is jeopardizing the boy's life. If any one of the cult's members were to find this, we don't know what would happen to him. Thank God that he is now with an ex-cult family member.
Also, I would really like to call out the actions of Scare Theater. He joined the Discord (the one investigating the case), and argued about the validity of the claims. Then, once someone asks him to take down the video, he claims that he's trying to contribute to the case. Less exposure is better in this case than to let thousands of people know about this. While in reality, the true reason behind why he wouldn't take down the video was because of the sponsor. Seriously, Scare, a boys life is more valuable than a couple thousand dollars.
Kane Why would a cult member be browsing RUclips?
Bc cult members brows RUclips
I mean.... This story is wrong.
This story is wrong in so many ways:
1. Why would a CULT member be browsing RUclips? So literally, everything you say about Scare putting the boy’s life in danger is just... wrong.
2. You complained about how too many people know, but I think this is good. That way, more people can try to help him (IF this is real)
3. How do you know that Scare only kept the video up because of a sponsor? Why are you giving us the impression that Scare only cares about money? The reason why he kept this video up is because he KNOWS that cult members don’t go on RUclips, and he’s NOT putting Isaiah’s life on the line. And, he found it interesting, and wanted to contribute to the conversation! Also, Scare isn’t a terrible person for questioning if these claims are legit. It just could be a troll. You’re giving off the impression that Scare did not care about the boy’s life, when in reality, he did and hoped he would be in a better place one day.
geez.
supermouse73 The cult leader could be browsing. Most cult leaders are paranoid and often worried that their followers might betray them, so could search on several social media sites to find anyone in the cult talking down on it. He probably couldn’t find him on Reddit since it is much more difficult to find specific users and posts on Reddit than RUclips. This video could have put him at risk should any loyal cultist find it. Most cults are small enough for all cultists to know each other’s name so if anyone were to find this video, he would be screwed.
Jesus I didn't expect this to be so close to home, I live in British Columbia. I wonder if he's close to my town.
Jay Donagh not at all
Good luck
Ever been to the yellow deli in Nelson or chilliwack? I checked the 12 tribes website and guess what website was linked on it.
@@brendanbancescu5884 what website was linked to the 12 tribes site?
Let's go get him lol
To be fair, he's saying "What should you do IF you become homeless soon" and cults as well as general captivity puts people in a fucked up state of bipolar tendencies, it'd honestly be more strange if he was just completely happy or completely wanting to leave. While it could just be a cover for him not wanting to meet up with people and reveal himself, but as for those things I don't think that's unbelievable. Teens are already really confused and emotionally bipolar but in a cult if they've been raised to think the world is a horrifying place and the cult is good and loves them that clash of what they've been raised to believe and have been told, convinced, and just generally brainwashed of all their live vs the reality of being raped and stripped of most of your basic human rights and freedoms would REALLY mess them up. Honestly I could go on about other stuff but I can sum it all up with this- most all the points against him saying he might be faking it are pretty weak and easily and reasonably explainable, the thing that people really should be talking about is the "Repentance' bs. If ANYTHING would be evidence he's faking it's that, because there's no real, reasonable explanation for that. He might've been given some lecture on how bad it is to go behind the cult's back in a cult class or something and felt really guilty, or something else equally as far fetched, but overall there isn't really any reasonable explanation I could think of. If anything is a smoking gun of all this being fake it's definitely not "Well how can he afford a VPN?' as if there isn't some nice upper middle class white guy/kid with enough disposeable income that they can't afford 6$ a month (The most expensive VPN I've ever seen/had available to me- which is ProtonVPN btw, a free VPN) to get a kid in a horrible situation a VPN, or him having a VPN within Canada as if to play games like League of Legends or other online games that connect him with the world, something a cult wouldn't want for MANY multiple reasons, wouldn't be preferable as the lag with farther connections would be too bad or any of the other couple reasons I can think of.
this actually sounds familiar to me .. it's true imo .
i live in a shitty place it's not that extreme .. it's Saudi Arabia .. it's like a cult on a bigger scale ..
i feel this guy .. i wanna leave this shithole and no one understands me here .
but i also don't wanna leave my loved ones here ..
and i don't have enough money to escape this dictatorship and i have failed many times so i feel hopeless and depressed ..
@@sssnakeeateryeehaw6100 nice user name man ..
i used to hate myself too but thanks to antidepressants i feel great
you should give it a try if thats how you feel hope you happy now good luck bro .
@@sssnakeeateryeehaw6100 lmao haha
thanks bro I'm sure your friends are lucky to have a person like you
asem al balawe I’m sorry man. You are strong though. You can keep going. Love and hope from Germany.
@@americangaming3601 i lived in Berlin for five years German ppl are amazing and it's my favorite place in the world .
love you and hope you have a great day .
asem al balawe thank you. It is very cold over here. Have a lovely day.
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this video may have actually caused more harm than good
He's already harming himself by posting on reddit.
@@jamie788 true, but to be fair, I believe he felt it was the only way for him to vent, and most people on reddit I've *seen* talking about it are actually pretty supportive. from what I've read, making this video made it more public summoned a lot of trolls and endangered him more.
@@HgeanKidNebula It's been proven fake either way so "he" was never in any danger to begin with
@@jamie788 link the proof then
@@HgeanKidNebula Do your own research if you're this desperate. Watch his latest video on the subject. It was all lies.
I'd be inclined to believe this as real - though I'm easily convinced. Two things do stand out to me though - firstly, you say his posts aren't consistent, yet the timeline you constructed shows a great deal of consistency in his posting habits.
Secondly, email verification is super easy to fake. He could well have used a service such as 10 minute mail to set up his Reddit.
Do an analysis on Kowalski.
*Kowalski swallows Kowalski*
Uno reverse card
Man i wish you could post pictures in the comments
@SeeLan
Yeah but people would just spam porn or somethin
btw thanks for the likes i dont get this much alot
I have a *CONSPIRACY* theory.
Vikings war of clans is the redittor’s cult
thats pretty deep
Maaan i think you're onto something
*we need to uhhh level up our heros to defeat uhhhhh uhhh the orcs and get the plane tickets. than we are gonna uhhhhhh uhhhh uhhh uhh gonna add him to our party*
percash official I have on to this video is sponsored by raid shadow legends
Dude this is true don't joke about this
You should look into a strange group of people on RUclips who think every popular RUclipsr, famous musicians actor actresses etc are all transgender. I don't know whether it's a troll or if it's some sort of cult. All their channels seem to be connected and have an overwhelming amount of comments that agree with it almost none are negative and many more likes than dislikes. It's slightly disturbing to say the least they are all heavily religious too. I haven't seen anyone talk about it outside of the channels I don't know something doesn't feel right with them it seems too organized to be trolling but who knows.
I've seen that shit. Those people are insane I've tried arguing with them but nothing works. It looks like they boosted their subs and comments to make it seem legit because NOBODY sane is gonna like them. The majority would think they need locking up. Religion makes people different so I don't think they are trolling, just really crazy. From what I can see, there's the "big exposers" then the sheep who follow along with it and do similar videos. It's definitely some sort of cult.
I discovered them recently, when I was watching videos of my favorite opera singer Cecilia Bartoli. A woman made a video about how Bartoli is actually a castrated male. Just like Barbara Streissand and another female singer. These people are so certain every famous, succesfull woman is actually male. They can't accept the idea that famous people are not trans. They are real lunatics. Discussion with them doesn't go anywhere, they only believe what they want to believe without any real proof.
They even believe Ariana Grande (doesn't get more feminine than her) is born male.
What are the names of some of the channels?
@@seasluggy the one I know is called "truthful spirit - blue heron".
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I’ve talked to one before on the yt comments. Apparently, part of their beliefs is that every historical event is fake and that everyone else in the world, like politicians, rock stars, celebrities, etc. are just actors. And that all the bad things happening in the world are just the government’s attempt to strike fear in us so they can control us. They also believe that humanity is inherently good but the government who are actually evil beings known as “Luciferians” are making us believe that humans are all inherently capable of bad things. It’s fucking crazy, and I would really love an analysis video about it.
About the contradiction of his feelings... Like if this kid is real he's obviously having a fierce internal battle with his own instincts and everything he has been told in life. Wouldn't you have contradicting thoughts in such a mess?
"art is against god"
explain the drawings of god himself
Fan art
The bible says you can't make images of God
@@pook4074 than what about all the churches with paintings of god?
@@ohmy4730 So because people do it that makes it okay? Go read the bible
@@pook4074 Pardon me for not having read the bible, but isn't that Judaism that says that?
Maybe he is told he is in western Canada or maybe he believes west is east? Idk like the cult believes that
Do remember that the easiest way to control a group is by making them dumb.
it could also be a result of a typo
@@Monitice my religious education teacher told me "the fastest way to get people to follow your ideas no matter what, is to take away their ability to think." we were learning about cults and I live near one, honestly I believe that 100% because the "cooperites" near me are clearly brainwashed
I thought that too, but remember the IP was linked to a VPN company.
Grey Silhouette i mean if he had internet and a VPN i’m sure he’s at least pulled up google maps sooner or later
If it is real, I feel bad but if this WAS fake, I feel like it could be a young artist making a story around his art
Yeah, that'd be very interesting if this were a way to promote his art. I just feel like his art to picture post ratio is too low for this to be the case. But maybe that's what he was going for. Who knows?
Wait. The cult is not tech savvy yet they have an online storefront?
They might have a specific person in charge of that.
Wix
yep, many people i know of only know basics of the internet. A business owner works completely off facebook and knew nothing about viruses, hackers etc. Untill someone brought this up to her, she could have had money stolen and personal information and so on. She only thought 'hay i might get more customers offline'. it's far more common than people like to believe.
He said his parents are the one that not tech-savvy.
The moment you have a sponsorship in a supposing serious topic, i don't trust you.
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You are right to not trust him
That was supposed to be a link
For real
Honestly, It’s super disgusting and disrespectful, real or not
My mans gotta get his coin
Twelve Tribes holds a restaurant at one of my favourite music festivals every year, when I found out they were a cult I was so shocked I looked into them, found a local-ish commune they let people tour (and then try to convert you with a hard sales pitch like a damn time share), and checked 'em out. It's creepy shit. Plastic smiling Ned Flanders' with a twinge of Micheal Myers vibes. Didn't wear buttons either, none of them, it was really strange. Just eyelets and ties or little wooden plugs =/ Not that that means anything, it was just a weird little detail. So strange to see them pop up randomly, from across the other side of the world. I hope this dude is okay and manages to get out of there with his siblings safely soon, and that whoever is abusing them is dragged out too.
colenol MD sues Oh yeah man they had great food, at really good prices too, but once I found out what that money was going towards and the conditions the young (very young) people worked in, especially those born into the cult, I just couldn't bring myself to even give them a few dollars anymore, not even for a goddamn quality snapper sandwich, despite how much I wanted that sandwich after a day of drinking in the sun
Bryn Jackson www.reddit.com/user/gobananaboating/comments/a8x7vu/about_ujustmadethiisaccount_the_cult_member/?st=JQLXGD2G&sh=d991593b give this post a read. while twelve tribes is obviously a cult, it’s not the one the guy was in
Lol he actually was in a much worser cult.
Wait is that the yellow deli or something?In chilliwack right? I've eaten there before and the food is really amazing, but yeah.. after finding out it's a cult I didnt go back lol
@@Weebslayer13 any yellow deli is owned and run by 12 tribes they are pretty much everywhere from australia to europe and america if you look on their website they have a list of all their different companies and businesses and theres ALOT of them